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Regardless of where they came from, tarot speaks to us right now, today. Opening your consciousness to a story that comes from the images. Thanks for a great video.
@Tigerpaws9097826 I fail to see the objectiveness. I only see an interest in making look tarot as a ridiculous practice. Serious tarot specialist could easily tell you this facts with far more accuracy without letting aside all the archetypal value you can find in these images. I agree we must fight false history and conners. The video doesn't show any sources and that's because it was a web based research. how trusthworthy can that be?
@alonsovelasquez2 To respond properly I'd need to re-watch the video, which I'm short of time to do at the moment; it's been months since I viewed this. However, what I recall was a presentation that seemed fact-based regarding historic roots of the Tarot; I don't recall mention either way about the Tarot's archetypal value, and at least upon first viewing didn't walk away feeling like it had been refuted. If you know a source with a better review of Tarot history, I'd welcome hearing of it!
@Tigerpaws9097826 I keep searching, but all I find is videos 1) like this, with no bibliographical references, and made by people that disregard tarot in the first place, or 2) made by fortune tellers interested in "proving" connections with ancestral cultures or rites. Maybe i should make one ;).
What is the song for the soundtrack to this video called? It's pretty cool. I described as a spy movie soundtrack to people but I don't know for sure. Bah-ha-ha!
Really though, this was a great video. Hope you don't mind but I included it in one of my web pages about Tarot. :D
I just bought an awesome book that says the same as this video.
"The word Tarot itself, Gébelin says, is derived from 'Tar' (way) and 'Ro', or 'rog' (royal, knightly). Thus Tarot would mean the Kingly Way."
BUT
"In Gébelin's time much interest centred on Egypt.. whose literature was still undeciphered.. Lack of proof gave rise to conjecture, and Gébelin, carried away by his imagination, convinced himself the Tarot was nothing more than the unbound leaves of the book of Thoth."
@mymusicvideosx Believe what you will, but I have used Tarot numerous times for the purpose of fortune telling. Many times not even knowing anything about the person to whom I was reading their fortunes and everytime they have said that the cards hit spot on.
well yes they were used for games and still are. But for psychic's/tarot readers its not the cards it's the reader. The reader seas the card and means something to her/him and every redear as differant meaning to that card. But we tarot,playing cards,crystal ball,tea leaves its all the same. So yes he correct in away its not the tool its the reader.
I'm sorry, but the European part of the history is yet another instance of how Europeans have twisted so much of the world's ancient cultures. The origin of the Tarot could not possibly have been a game. These cards are just too powerful for that kind of thing. I really do wish people would stop doing that kind of thing to history.
@saintben2008 This video is accurate history. It is backed by evidence from playing card historians. Not only was tarot played as a game but in some countries like France, tarot cards are still used in games. People who think that tarot is only used for tarot reading don't know much about culture and about games.
@saintben2008 Sorry, but there is NO EVIDENCE of tarot cards being used for anything other than card games until the end of the 18th Century - 350 years after their creation. As Tarockspieler says, this account of the cards history is based upon the evidence and has twisted nothing. The tarot pack was created by simply adding a suit of fixed trumps to the already existing pack of playing cards.
On the other hand, perhaps you have some evidence to the contrary that you are not sharing.
@saintben2008 I wish it were more mystical than that, but even accomplished practitioners know where the cards came from. Whatever powers and abilities there may be come from the users, and before Tarot cards they used something else.
It's nice spreading facts to the public. Make them LEARN THE TRUTH of TAROT rather than indulging in those silly myths that were proven wrong a loong long time ago!!!
To some Tarot cards are nothing more than pictures printed on cardboard. But to others who have used them for supernatural purposes they are a great tool. I at first wasn't sure if they worked, I definitely know now that they are very powerful.
I think someone would have to at best superstitious and at worst ignorant to believe in any kind of divination, Tarot included. But they are useful tool for self-analysis; contemplating the symbolism allows you to assess things in a different way and perhaps unlocks subconscious or otherwise repressed insights into yourself and your situation.
You doubt is exactly the point. Let me ask you, if you place a pot of water on a fire, and assuming the fire is hot enough and the pot of water is left there long enough, is it reasonable to predict a future of boiling water? So do you think about the tarot symbolism of Fire, Shin, Judgement, Mem, Water, Hanged Man and The change of cold to hot symbolized in Temperance? Suggests that maybe you know nothing about Tarot at all and you wasted your time making this trash.
@EsotericOccultist In what way do you think tokarski21 is antagonizing or wasting anyone's time? Folk only watch YouTube if they've time to kill and his video is both un-judgemental and factual, while refraining from the childish retort of petty insults.
@timharris008 lol chill out, tarot cards tell you nothing. they are pieces of paper with pictures and words on them. If you take offence to such things, i would hate to know your oppinion on pokemon cards, you a "Pro" on them too?
dont just accept ur religion because it was passed down to you since ur ancestors, find your own meanings to life and dont preach your dilluted man written bible like you have some divine knowledge. and ur above every one else
realize the bible was made to control minds and have followers, global history, well obviously before christ there were religions.. nature based religions pagens, celts etc w.e none the less they posed a threat to your bible preaching jezusslaves that end up commenting on these videos like we have here.. they were labeld as demons witches devil worshipers, then the inquisition came to erase the threat. now occult means hidden knowledge in the dictionary. so, ask questionss. seek the truth
“...you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire [an ancient occult practice], or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination [detestable] to the LORD…”
@JezusSlave I'm not sure what your point is here. The point of this video is that tarot cards are in fact NOT occult in origin, nor were they created with the intention that they be used for anything but playing card games - games that are still played in many countries today.
While I understand that you may object to divination, that is also performed with tea leaves, coffee grounds and dominoes. So what? Should we stop drinking tea? No, nor should we put aside play with tarot cards.
@JezusSlave OK, I really think that you've not understood. Tarot cards were NOT created for fortune telling, nor did their images represent anything occult. Indeed, the images are predominantly Christian - that's why the Church never opposed their spread through Europe as a card game!
Just because a bunch of occultists waffle on about the cards being somehow mysterious or magical doesn't mean we have to believe them. I don't.
@JezusSlave Tarot cards are normal - they consist of a bog standard pack of Latin suited playing cards with the addition of some trumps. For 350 years, nobody used them for anything other than card games. Why would playing a game with a pack of playing cards intended for playing that game, without any occult origin or meaning, lead to occultism? Would you say this of Happy Families or 7s or Top Trumps, or Pokemon?
@ANIideas actualy they where greek mythological gods these gods are then taken on by the roman mythology and then into roman catholosism do your research
There was a forerunner to the tarot pack that did indeed feature the Greek pantheon in the role of trumps - they were to celebrate the state visit by the Greek Emperor. However, the tarot's trumps would appear to be a triumph procession with a simple Christian allegory in three groups (the mortal, the moral, and the celestial) which served to indicate their order (they were not originally numbered, so this was an important function).
@ANIideas sorry about that maybe i should enphasize , what ive read , here goes.
Filippo Maria Visconti, duke of Milano and perhaps the richest man in Italy in the early renaissance, had a fatal disturbance in his youth. His father Giangaleozzo on his way to become king of Italy was poisoned and died, when Filippo was 10 years old. The mother was killed by his elder brother in prison.
@ANIideas The dukedom broke in pieces and his cruel brother was assasinated some years later. With the help of his wife Beatrice de Tender, a 20 years older widow of the condottieri Ficino Cane, Filippo as new duke of Milano restored the earlier possessions, but the relation to the much older woman ended in tragedy, Filippo accused her of adultery and she ended beheaded.
Filippo became a hard and lonesome man with it ...
@ANIideas In 1424/1425 Filippo was at the height of his success. He was very successful at the battlefield and the earlier power of the Milanese dukedom had redeveloped. His mistress was expecting a child, this was a great relief, because Filippo had reason to believe that he could not have children. He prepared a Triumph celebration ("Trionfo") to show his pride and joy in the coming birth.
@ANIideas We don't know it for sure, and the following is half a fiction, but ... The Greek Emperor came to a visit in 1424, asking for help against the Osmans, probably that meeting caused an interest in Greek gods at the side of Filippo. He decided to commission a worthful playing card deck and as major motifs were chosen 16 Greek gods. The deck should have appeared at the occasion of the projected Trionfo.
@ANIideas In April 1425 the child was born, it was not the wished male heir, only a daughter, Bianca Maria Visconti, who later was involved variously in the production of socalled Trionfi-cards. She stayed the only surviving child. The Trionfo was celebrated in June 1425 ...
@ANIideas Time advanced and already in the same year 1425 a war between Venetia and Milan broke out and occupied the militaric energies of the North Italian cities for the next 30 years. In 1453 Constantinople was conquered by the Osmans, the questions for help stayed more or less unheard in all the years.
@ANIideas Around the time of the fall of Constantinople the socalled Trionfi cards became a successful game. In 1454 the Italians cities decided for peace. The wonder of the renaissance could take place, printing industry entered and the knowledge in the European world exploded. The Trionfi decks developed and were later called Tarot cards.
@ANIideas and there you have it the rest is all bullshit simply to suit retarded people who wont learn , who wont educate them selves wont question anything and just except it for what it truly is but saying that in an argument about any such text written about history or origin can we as a human race take the text at face value , the answer is no . look at religion and what its doin to us , personaly i hate religous people i hate the god concept its rediculous im with richard dawkins
@ANIideas all religion is based on one theory of hero concept to look up to someone , then again you look at all the religions they talk about gods in the sky not heaven ,ok gods in the sky i can go with boeing 747 landin on a primative ireland with uneducated mind believing that they are gods who came to save them give them gifts clothes and water who knows but this kind of thing happened in 1940 during 2nd ww so can we actually believe that either the old gods
@ANIideas old gods are based on the stars or they are aliens or are they just a more developed human being on this planet that could fly in the sky and like the old biblical story of destruction thes technologies where lost , like atlantis . or gilgamesh . who knows as written his story is only carried on to next genoration by the winner of a territorial battle in which as you will know the great babillonian library well wtf is it did it excist ir is it just here say chinese wispers or
@ANIideas was it just a news North East West South , report over centuries written on paper , have you ever stopped and thought about the wonder in the fact that ancient civilizations wrote on stone granite . if we levelled our world with great destruction like hiroshima nagozaki , with nothing left to prove you was sat in a chair on that day looking at a news paper that told you about something that happened down the rd from you , who the hell would even know you existed in time .
@mananirvana There's no proof that he developed his theory that way, but he wrote about the tarot archetypes at great length. Check out the book, "Jung and Tarot: An Archetypal Journey" by Sallie Nichols. Good book :)
It is certainly great pleasure to see facts presented about the history of the Tarot, so our card games can gradually become more popular. Thanks so much^-^
I personally find nonsense people use tarot for "reading". I find that extremely silly quite honestly.
Being a HUGE fan of tarot playing games, that's how I use the cards, an oh, Italian suited cards are my favourite ^^ Even though the tarot nouveau is quite interesting.
Can someone tell me the name of the deck at 1:00? I've looking for that old Italian-suited tarot deck, but I don't know the name :(
@ImaginaryVoncroy I share your taste in the Italian designs for game play. There are three that I particularly enjoy - the Modiano Tarocco Piedmontese (which comes in a nice BIG green box), the Swiss 1JJ (I always buy packs with the French titles - the English translations sold have 'wands' and 'pentacles'), and the Fournier Marseilles.
The pack here is one of the Visconti packs - without looking for my copies, I would rule out the Cary-Yale.
Cards do not predict the future, they are only a tool for tapping the intuition. For divination anything that activates and focusses the internal intuition is sufficient from yarrow sticks to crystal balls to dots on a page.
The practical use as a set of archtypal images based on Qabalistic classics and ancient wisdom is quite separate and apart from their commercial use. A good esoteric deck is invaluable to anyone interested in Jungian psychology.
I have a Minotarot deckits never been open still brand new deck in cello. I might consider selling it if the price is right. Or I will just lock it away for another 20+ years. .Designed and self-published by Eric Provoost, the deck was issued in France in 1982 in a limited edition of 2,000 copies. The artwork is black and white, with additional touches of brown in the Majors. The back of the deck is terra cotta with an image of a white 7-circuit labyrinth. The deck is signed and numbered
the thing about tarot is...yeah, you can trace it back to a card game and insist it is only a card game, as folks do. this video is a bit more even-tempered. the thing about "inventing" all the esoteric meaning to the cards is where the problem is. it is true that in the past few centuries, the meaning of tarot has exploded, being merged with both egyptian and hebrew occultism. but that doesnt necessarily mean that isn't true also
with modern psychology, and the ideas that archetypes and symbols are keys to the unconsciousness, seeing in the tarot cards images some of these archeytypes, after the fact...doesnt dismiss the tarot as a tool for divination or even magic. "fortune telling" is not quite the correct term.
if you think of tarot cards as very fancy inkblots you can get the idea here
if it is a card game to you, fine. but there's no need to insist it is a card game for everybody.
it has also been my experience that folks that dismiss tarot as having any esoteric value have never had a proper reading done.
but the thing I'm trying to get across is that if what tarot was, a card game, has been given a broader meaning that appears "invented" that doesnt mean that tarot doesnt have esoteric value
it's like seeing a flower that is just a flower but we later realize it can be used as a herb for seasoning food, or for medicine. it functions as both at the same time
@Wyrdmaven You're speaking of the game as if it were past tense. Tarot games are still played today in European countries. It is especially popular in France. Tarot did not evolve in a linear direction. Occult or divinatory Tarot, while it might be the most known, is only one branch of it. The games are another which continue to be played and the internet is slowly exposing more people to them.
The application of tarot in psychology in this fasion is no more divination than is the use of ink blots. This application is of no interest to the sceptic - it is, frankly, mundane. Further, I would recommend that a person who needs that kind of therapy seek a professional rather than some Joe with a pack of cards.
Tarot is not just a game for me, it is a game for everybody - you can use it in different ways if you like, but it IS a game.
While tarot cards were not created to convey occult meanings, they can, of course, be used to do so - and indeed, the veracity of those meanings is independent of the origin of tarot.
However, that veracity and the efficacy of divination remain unsupported by evidence and are often contrary to reason.
Also, by adopting the cards for esoteric purpose and by promoting a false history, occultists are both lying and committing nothing short of cultural vandalism. It is right to fight that!
Carl Jung was the first psychologist to attach importance to tarot symbolism.[21] He may have regarded the tarot cards as representing archetypes: fundamental types of persons or situations embedded in the subconscious of all human beings.
Timothy Leary has suggested that the Tarot Trump cards are a pictorial representation of human development from infant to adult, with the Fool symbolizing the newborn infant, the Magician symbolizing the stage at which an infant begins to play with artifacts, etc. In Leary's view the Tarot Trumps may be viewed as a blueprint for the human race as it matures
People have been able to read any number of magical, occult, spiritual, and psychological systems INTO tarot cards. Their designs are sufficiently ambiguous for that.
As a consequence, if we want to claim that any one of those systems is somehow relevant to their origin and the intent behind them requires some evidence. That evidence just isn't their.
So, when you cite these claims, I'm not sure what you point is. They have always struck me as trivial notions, amusements and no more.
I've been a tarot reader since i was 14 and....I also have my doubts about tarot predicting future...this guy should read waite's work a bit more thoroughly.
In fairness, the line from the Catholic church and the Church of England is that tarot cards were indeed created for game play. Much of Europe still plays these games without any objection from the Church in those countries. The occult interpretation of tarot is objected to though.
Of course, most Christians are exposed to the same misleading media as the rest of us but in my experience, most of the anti-tarot sentiment comes from US evangelical Christianity without knowledge of the games.
This seems a common attitude, folk such as yourself come along and make wild assertions without offering any evidence for them, then when others don't agree, you become insulting, making wild accusations with, again, nothing to back them. Finally, when it's clear that you are unable to meet others in debate, you make a parting insult and blame your leaving on others, in this case because they are "abusers".
On what grounds do you accuse me of being an abuser?
My other account is philebus1972 - I haven't used it in ages. However, why you should think that having more than one account would by symptomatic of some illness is beyond me - perhaps you could explain.
The Constitution protects me and my cards. I'm happy. U are a miserable abuser who never laughs and has any fun except subjugating people. Abusers only have fake power. Ha ha
Janityy, no one is after you or your cards, so be happy. However, thus far you have done nothing but make assertions you will not back and cast insults at those who do not agree.
If there is any abuse here, it is against history. We do not claim any power for you to call fake, and I dare say that we all have a lot of fun, not by subjugating anyone but quite often, though not exclusively, by playing a good game of cards. And in that, the only killjoy here is you!
It doesn't matter. Tarot is recognized by United States Constitution just like Christianity. Wicca. Islam. Etc. So saying prove history of tarot same as saying prove Christianity. Its a pointless debate. They are all recognized. So u don't like it go find a religion u like.
No, asking someone to prove their claims about an occult history of tarot is like asking someone to prove any other objective claim of history, be that Young Earth Creationism, or the denial of the Holocuast.
Asking someone to prove the existence of a God is different however, as it is a philosophical question rather than an empirical one - but still open to meaningful debate.
I don't look for religions I like, I look for what I have most reason to believe. I shall continue to do so.
Religions aren't recognized by the US Constitution. The US Constitution says that Congress will not pass laws restricting its excercise nor establish any religion.
Tarot is a religion. U have ur religion I have mine. The United States Constitution protects me and my beliefs. U have ur religion I have mine. Saying tarot is not a religion is saying other 3000 religions not religions. You tube and internet an open system ur abuse will fail now. U cannot burn us at the stake or stop the spread of tarot. I win u loose. Now go play it as a game.boring boring u are boring
I'm not sure that it is correct to call a pack of cards a 'religion'. I will conceed that people have read religious beliefs into the images of tarot. The point however, is that you have not been making claims of faith but objective claims of history - testable against evidence. As such, I can rightly challenge them, just as I would challenge beliefs of religions that are contrary to evidence and reason.
And don't worry, I've no intention of burning you at a stake. But I will go play a game.
Tarot is a deck of cards, really a deck of PLAYING cards. That some people take it to be religion proves that anything could be a religion if one believes it to be so.
The problem is that the "spread of tarot" is being stopped or at least inhibited by this widespread belief that the cards are "occult" The understanding that these cards are used for games will help promote the spread of these cards and fully integrate them into our culture.
Just more tarot cards for us. THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO SHALL NOT SEE. BAAAA GOOGLE SHEEPLE. FREESLAVES ARE SHEEPLE LIVING IN THE MATRIX A REALITY GOVT HAS CREATED FOR U. SHEEPLE PROGRAMMING CENTER IS WHERE U SEND UR KIDS. ITS A BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION PROGRAM. WHY WOULD A PERSON RESPOND TO A BELL AND TAKE A TEST TO PROVE TO GOVT THEY KNOW ANSWER. CAUSE THERE A SHEEPLE LIVING IN MATRIX THINKING TAROT IS JUST A GAME OR WORKING FOR ILLUMINATE TO KEEP MASSES DUMB AND LOST
Tarot cards are occult.Path of fool to the Sage. Roland Berrill the founder of Mensa an organization for geniuses commissioned to have a tarot card deck made called The Royal Fez Moroccan Tarot. Led Zeppelins 4th album Stairway to Heaven open it up huge picture of Hermit tarot card. But I guess Jimmy Paige, Robert Plant and the founder of MENSA are stupid. Tarot is part of Hebrew book the Torah and is an ancient Egyptian Initiation path. FUCK off u working for the Illuminati scumbags
Tarot cards are occult because Led Zeppelin says so! Jimmy Page is an excellent guitarist but does that mean that we must believe everything he says to be true?
In IQ is a guarantee of nothing - especially if you're working outside of your specialist field. And even then, daft things happen, from claims of memory water to the whole cold fusion muddle.
You've been asked eslewhere to back your assertions with some evidence and failed to do so.
As for the Moroccan Fez - it's nothing to boast about, being a virtual clone of the RWS pack.
It is clear that rlm's psychotic rants are incoherant. We are not even sure if he's for or against occult tarot. Tarot cards are not like Ouja boards. Occult tarot is not the only nor is it the original use of tarot cards. Yes, tarot is played as a game. The cards were made for games and the games are played in countries like Hungary, Austria and France! There is no reasoning with conspiracy nutsacks like rlm.
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your Sun Tzu video is very good, but here you just are prey to every illogic and lie there could be - it's a pity you learned nothing at all from looking at true wisdom from the East. do you think the authors of the Eastern tomes didn't use the I Ching for divination, and were unaware that it worked, and why it works. look at the kind of 'pig fishes' (hexagram 61, chung fu) your video here attracts.
Yes, it is hard to keep your composure at these comments. However, he does seem to be serious.
I suspect that he subscribes to the conspiracy theories involving reptiles and half-reptiles in positions of power, keeping everyone in ingnorance to maintain their control. Exactly what the reptiles' goals are depends upon which variety of this theory you look at.
There are a LOT of videos about these theories here.
In any case, our friend cannot be engaged with, so I'm done with it for now.
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you are a fucking reptile you useless eater fucktard. stop trying to deny it faggot. even the sheeple you ahrimanic scumfucks depend on to stay asleep know what you're up to thesedays, yet you go on and on with the same tired cliched routines you've been belching out to deny fact, as if you haven't been long exposed for what you really are. you spread lies about things like tarot to keep people mind-controlled, ignorant, and unaware of how reality actually works. i'm not your friend scumfuck.
You're the repto parasite that puppets all the soul-less cunts that post the same lies at various places online.
You've already had two fake copies of my account banned, schizofag, yet you think I won't present that fact each time you choose to follow me when another of your groupmind fails.
Why are you age 34 here,
user/randomlaughlngman
& age 24 at the fake account you write from there?
did the Montauk Chair blow a coil again cause you did too many brainrapes in one session?
This could relate to an I Ching video, if you have one up or someone else has a similarly themed one - they're meant to act like the 64 hexagrams, they show situations, or relations of all manifest things to one another and what interactions are possible.
Lots of the western occult info has mappings of the Tree of Life (10 sephiroths) and the paths connecting them (12 lines), those are the 22 trump cards. The courts relate to the 'JHVH' unit, and the numbers are - numbers! Ancient India and
Arab culture (and Mayan) had the number/concept of zero, which is obviously decimal related - as in 10-count returns. 0 - 9, or 1 - 10. Egypt had that concept in terms of 'Nun' or the void = zero, then the 'eye of Ra' or Atum is the point that emerges out of the nothing, then it's a line (2D), then it rotates/sweeps around itself and becomes a circle (threeness) and so forth. It's just basic sacred geometry. You may want to check out Schwaller du Lubiczs work.
Thanks. I believe our opinions should be shared with an open mind, and not forced on each other. On a different note, did you see that they recently did a survey of the most trusted newsman in the USA? Jon Stewart won with 44%.
It's funny, I'm watching him rigt now lol. But yeah I heard about that on a glimpse of a comercial. I wasn't 100% sure if it was him, or Stephen Colbert though.
that actually sounds very correct. every time Ive done a tarot reading I always got it right. even when I did them on other people. people I didnt even know
this is incorrect. the torot cards predate back into ancient egypt (and possibly further) , though not referenced as torot, something else. far before the chinees. though dating is hard when your talking about wondering bums (gypsies). i know this for a fact. im currently looking for the trail i once reasearched to conclude this ^_^ so when i have solid evidence ill contact you. though an impressive research indeed, nicely done.
The only suggestion of evidence for an ancient Egyptian origin that I know of is the claim that Iamblichus mentions the figures as part of an initiation ritual. If it is this that you are thinking of, then you might want to read Iamblichus first - translations of his existing works are now public domain.
As for gypsies - remember that they don't come from Egypt and that they arrived a little late to have carried tarot to us.
Jews and gypsies are the same thing, it was to do with Wanderers, those without a specific land. The Egypt connection I presume would also be linked to the Kabbalah (Jewish people enslaved by Phaorahs etc, the sciences would have intermingled) - the usual casino packs are 52 decks, minus 4 for the Princess' as they only use Jacks, minus the 22 'trumps' which correspond to the Hebrew letters. Put the missing court cards and the 22 trumps back in = 78.
No, Jews and Gypsies are not the same. Gypsies are a group of people originating from the Indian Sub-continent and had nothing to do with the origin of tarot. The 'casino' pack you mention is not missing the other cards, it came first and the other cards were added later in the mid 15th century.
They are, the original Jews include a lot of black tribes (obviously) as well. Wanderers, remember? And nobody took casino cards THEN added in the others, the 78 cards match to the Kabbalah. Learn to read what I wrote! The Kabbalah is a) Jewish b) also Egyptian and c) very old.
I'm sorry, you've said nothing to establish a link between people from the Indian sub-continent (who arrived in Europe after Tarot is first seen) and the Jews.
Regular 52 card packs of playing cards existed in Europe in the mid/late 14th century via the Malmuks. Tarot is not seen anywhere until the mid 15th century.
The images are all European in origin with no link to Kabbalah beyond some squished numbers - that don't fit the earliest versions of tarot (with perhaps as many as 86 cards).
12 Jewish tribes, in the Bible, which is a history book, they wandered around all over and settled elsewhere.
Kabbalah is ancient Egyptian and Jewish, and it fits the Tarot precisely as I already explained in my original post. Any student of where actual 'magic' is derived from knows all that. The western 'mystery schools' that some liars are saying here made shit up, are actually just based on older spiritual teachings - eg, like where the Kabbalah is from.
Sure, the Bible is a kind of history book, albeit one with a great deal that is not substantiated by other sources. However, you have still said nothing to establish a link between the Jews and Gypsies - though Gypsies are clearly not the origin of Tarot in Europe anyway.
Either you are aware of some new genetic level population study or "they wandered about a bit" is somehow good enough for you to establish any link you want with any population you fancy.
Romany Gypsies say otherwise also, they know their heritage as regards the Tarot.
You haven't read a thing I wrote here. Your repto part just noticed I wrote some facts that it has to try to contradict, in case someone sees the original posts amidst the replies created here by your inability to read the original posts you're replying to.
Additionally, plenty of Rabbi's can show you proof that the OT is about their ancestors, as it's derived from the Torah. There's plenty of pre-Biblical tablets
As for tarot fitting the Kabbalah - how? Just a few numbers?! Why not suggest that playing cards represent the 52 weeks in a year or that the suits the four seasons? Why not do the whole playing cards in church routine? Just as valid. How do you establish that these few numbers are not coincidental?
The images are all established European subjects and are not found in this way in any other part of the world before tarot's invention.
The way I already wrote it does........as I again emphasised also. And as also was commented - they're archetypes that are depcited, & situational such as are the I Ching hexagrams.
The twat has a whole channel about lies concerning tarot being a game. No wonder he can't take in the facts. The I Ching is 5000 years old, get over it, there's loads of representations featuring the same things and games are derived from them, not the other way around. Same with chess and go.
Tarot cards are used for games. The Tarot game is especially popular in France. It's mainly in English speaking cultures where people think Tarot cards are only used for divination.
You seem to have a problem with civility as well as with history.
Instead of supporting your case, you seem only to have re-stated it.
With regards to the Gypsies knowing "their heritage as regards the Tarot", there is no record of them using tarot until the late 19th century / early 20th century - after the myths of their introducing it had created an expectation in their customers for fortune telling.
If you know of an earlier record, then please, do cite your source.
Wrong, you tried to disagree with me as has now been re-stated at least in three replies, when it's clear you didn't read the original comment I made. Don't do your usual repto bs of trying to twist what applies to what you've done onto me.
Looking at your posts, the only 'evidence' you offer to support your claims lies in the number of cards - that as I pointed out has not been shown to be beyond coincidence.
The origins of Gypsies accepted by historians is not what you suggest - you offer no evidence to support your claim.
The fact is that regular 52 card packs were in use long before we see tarot - yet you claim that they were formed by dropping the trumps - without citing any evidence.
You games-don't-come-from-ancient-science-and-mystery-schools-the-world-over theory is above and beyond far more coincidental.
But then I wouldn't expect twats to be able to count in any ancient or modern language.
Let's try it the other way around - what does the 52 deck mean then? We know what the Tarot means and why it has what it has in it, so where does the 52 deck come from and why does it have 3 court cards per suit then, according to you.
So far as we know, it doesn't mean anything but probably developed from Chinese money games. The earliest 52 card packs we have had 4 suits (cups, coins, scimitars, and polo sticks) each with 3 courts (a King and 2 viceroys).
Europeans changed polo sticks to batons and gave us a King, Rider, and Footman. These are the Latin suits and are still used today.
The earliest tarot we have had 6 courts in each suit - a male and female in each of 3 ranks. Only the Queen was retained in later packs.
There you go again with lies - there's no way the Chinese would have games that "didn't mean anything" and that weren't based upon real-world practical philosophies and spiritual teachings. What you're describing also sounds like Mah Jong. Why do fake-masons always deny the Kabbalah...
Why do you think that the Chinese would not have games that don't mean anything?
(and note that their Money games were rather different to tarot - games evolve after all)
Does everything have to have some secret meaning? What about Uno? or Happy Families? Does Mr Bun the Baker have some deep magical significance? Please, do explain.
You're a repto - you deliberately selected satans-cock-sucking game titles that your abuse of the occult knows link to things about my person. You share a group-mind with all your 4D parasitic entities in worship of the deciever. Your kind pretend you don't rob from ancient sources, because you abuse the systems you deny exist - like the Kabbalah. You are another 'caz' and you're all right up your own asses.
I'm telling a truth that you purposely lie as to occult-anything, because you use those systems of magic and suchlike yourself. You use them in evil and fallen ways, and that is why you are a little bitty part of the conspiracy of stupid assholes who believe that all other people are fooled by their bs.
By 4D it means your astral-projected puppeters that tell you to think and write the pile of crapola you come away with, the same exact style of it that all soul-less voids express through their empty bodies.
No, see there's this whole other real world where people don't talk shit and don't deliberately spread lies to cover up the facts about the real mystery schools and the origins of everything, and where - surprise - nobody behaves like the cunts who do those things deserve any civility. But logic like that goes way over your head. It's not civilised to be a liar you know.
No, I am not a liar. I have however, read a few history books in my time and am only quoting the known evidence.
If you have evidence of tarot packs predating the mid 15th century, please cite your source.
If you have evidence linking the Jews to the Indian Sub-continent, please cite your source.
If you can demonstrate that the number of cards is not coincidental and explain away the evidence that 78 cards is not the original number, then cite your source.
You are pushing a line of thinking that is known to be false and has been proven so over and over, from every conceievable direction.
You're some fake-mason that is trying to cover up facts = repto. Fakes like that are nowadays pretending their 'academia' is somehow right and the only correct truth, when really they are just about erasing actual history and trying to keep what little gnosis they stole to themselves like no-one else knows about it.
So, rather than cite any evidence to refute the position of historians, you simply dismiss them as part of some conspiracy because they don't agree with you?
If I have understood that correctly, then you need to offer some evidence for it or people could be forgiven for thinking you paranoid.
Faggot, try to get this through your thicko head of stupidity - your same-old lies and tricks NEVER WORKED on anyone sane to begin with, so don't try the usual asshole peado-crap like "people could be forgiven for" as if any real people are on your kinds side about anything at all. Go look up one of the many 1000s of channels here that prove your insidious lies 100% WRONG and realise you are not now and have never been considered right about any of it. Are you deaf, lizardchops?
I'm going to call this a day now - I should probably have let this rest a number of posts back and have apologised to the channel owner for keeping you going.
Your insults are now referencing and associating me with "peados" and that is beyond the acceptable.
So for now, a little advice to you. If someone offers you some rope, you don't need to take it.
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I agree with you and thanks for the history. :)
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RadioRevistaCabala 3 months ago
Exactly how did Chinese playing cards make their way from China to Muslim Spain? That is a rather large gap.
DailyTarotReader 3 months ago
Regardless of where they came from, tarot speaks to us right now, today. Opening your consciousness to a story that comes from the images. Thanks for a great video.
vintageeroticatarot 4 months ago
Well done - it's nice to see a piece like this on any subject which is so well researched and objective.
Tigerpaws9097826 7 months ago
@Tigerpaws9097826 I fail to see the objectiveness. I only see an interest in making look tarot as a ridiculous practice. Serious tarot specialist could easily tell you this facts with far more accuracy without letting aside all the archetypal value you can find in these images. I agree we must fight false history and conners. The video doesn't show any sources and that's because it was a web based research. how trusthworthy can that be?
alonsovelasquez2 4 weeks ago
@alonsovelasquez2 To respond properly I'd need to re-watch the video, which I'm short of time to do at the moment; it's been months since I viewed this. However, what I recall was a presentation that seemed fact-based regarding historic roots of the Tarot; I don't recall mention either way about the Tarot's archetypal value, and at least upon first viewing didn't walk away feeling like it had been refuted. If you know a source with a better review of Tarot history, I'd welcome hearing of it!
Tigerpaws9097826 3 weeks ago
@Tigerpaws9097826 I keep searching, but all I find is videos 1) like this, with no bibliographical references, and made by people that disregard tarot in the first place, or 2) made by fortune tellers interested in "proving" connections with ancestral cultures or rites. Maybe i should make one ;).
alonsovelasquez2 3 weeks ago
@alonsovelasquez2 Should you ever decide to make such a video, please send me a link; I'd love to watch it.
Tigerpaws9097826 3 weeks ago
What is the song for the soundtrack to this video called? It's pretty cool. I described as a spy movie soundtrack to people but I don't know for sure. Bah-ha-ha!
Really though, this was a great video. Hope you don't mind but I included it in one of my web pages about Tarot. :D
Dianna204 7 months ago
@Dianna204 It's an early Pink Floyd song called Lucifer Sam. Thanks for putting me on your web page.
tokarski21 6 months ago
I just bought an awesome book that says the same as this video.
"The word Tarot itself, Gébelin says, is derived from 'Tar' (way) and 'Ro', or 'rog' (royal, knightly). Thus Tarot would mean the Kingly Way."
BUT
"In Gébelin's time much interest centred on Egypt.. whose literature was still undeciphered.. Lack of proof gave rise to conjecture, and Gébelin, carried away by his imagination, convinced himself the Tarot was nothing more than the unbound leaves of the book of Thoth."
OrthodoxDarwinist 8 months ago
They turn to weak people and definitely those that feel vulnerable.
It´s sad that they cant be prosecuted in a proper way...
S . C . A . M !
faovsen 9 months ago
I doubt cards can predict your future. this guy looks like Robert Fripp.
mymusicvideosx 10 months ago
@mymusicvideosx Robert Fripp - cool.
tokarski21 10 months ago
@mymusicvideosx Believe what you will, but I have used Tarot numerous times for the purpose of fortune telling. Many times not even knowing anything about the person to whom I was reading their fortunes and everytime they have said that the cards hit spot on.
Darkblooded77 1 month ago
well yes they were used for games and still are. But for psychic's/tarot readers its not the cards it's the reader. The reader seas the card and means something to her/him and every redear as differant meaning to that card. But we tarot,playing cards,crystal ball,tea leaves its all the same. So yes he correct in away its not the tool its the reader.
18kjewel 1 year ago
which deck is the Picture from 1:09 come from?
ElPerfectTorso 1 year ago
@ElPerfectTorso Sorry, but I don't have the link to where I got that anymore.
tokarski21 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but the European part of the history is yet another instance of how Europeans have twisted so much of the world's ancient cultures. The origin of the Tarot could not possibly have been a game. These cards are just too powerful for that kind of thing. I really do wish people would stop doing that kind of thing to history.
saintben2008 1 year ago
@saintben2008 This video is accurate history. It is backed by evidence from playing card historians. Not only was tarot played as a game but in some countries like France, tarot cards are still used in games. People who think that tarot is only used for tarot reading don't know much about culture and about games.
Tarockspieler 1 year ago
@saintben2008 Sorry, but there is NO EVIDENCE of tarot cards being used for anything other than card games until the end of the 18th Century - 350 years after their creation. As Tarockspieler says, this account of the cards history is based upon the evidence and has twisted nothing. The tarot pack was created by simply adding a suit of fixed trumps to the already existing pack of playing cards.
On the other hand, perhaps you have some evidence to the contrary that you are not sharing.
ANIideas 1 year ago 2
@saintben2008 I wish it were more mystical than that, but even accomplished practitioners know where the cards came from. Whatever powers and abilities there may be come from the users, and before Tarot cards they used something else.
tokarski21 1 year ago
EXCELLENT VIDEO =3 w~(=^.^=)~w
It's nice spreading facts to the public. Make them LEARN THE TRUTH of TAROT rather than indulging in those silly myths that were proven wrong a loong long time ago!!!
TAROTCARDGAMES 1 year ago
To some Tarot cards are nothing more than pictures printed on cardboard. But to others who have used them for supernatural purposes they are a great tool. I at first wasn't sure if they worked, I definitely know now that they are very powerful.
YaoiWiccan 1 year ago
I think someone would have to at best superstitious and at worst ignorant to believe in any kind of divination, Tarot included. But they are useful tool for self-analysis; contemplating the symbolism allows you to assess things in a different way and perhaps unlocks subconscious or otherwise repressed insights into yourself and your situation.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
You doubt is exactly the point. Let me ask you, if you place a pot of water on a fire, and assuming the fire is hot enough and the pot of water is left there long enough, is it reasonable to predict a future of boiling water? So do you think about the tarot symbolism of Fire, Shin, Judgement, Mem, Water, Hanged Man and The change of cold to hot symbolized in Temperance? Suggests that maybe you know nothing about Tarot at all and you wasted your time making this trash.
timharris008 1 year ago
@timharris008Well, I obviously lit a fire under you and wasted your time. I predict my work here is done.
tokarski21 1 year ago
@tokarski21 Thanks for the info man! interesting video indeed :)
199291931 1 year ago
@199291931 And thank you for watching.
tokarski21 1 year ago
@tokarski21 Antagonizing people and "wasting their time" is your work? Wow thats pretty pathetic.
EsotericOccultist 1 year ago
@EsotericOccultist In what way do you think tokarski21 is antagonizing or wasting anyone's time? Folk only watch YouTube if they've time to kill and his video is both un-judgemental and factual, while refraining from the childish retort of petty insults.
ANIideas 1 year ago 2
@EsotericOccultist Actually, I get paid to make industrial and corporate videos. I only do this for fun in my spare time.
tokarski21 1 year ago
@timharris008 lol chill out, tarot cards tell you nothing. they are pieces of paper with pictures and words on them. If you take offence to such things, i would hate to know your oppinion on pokemon cards, you a "Pro" on them too?
Crusafriedchiken 1 year ago
yes i do
143icedtea 1 year ago
dont just accept ur religion because it was passed down to you since ur ancestors, find your own meanings to life and dont preach your dilluted man written bible like you have some divine knowledge. and ur above every one else
josephcorsale 1 year ago
realize the bible was made to control minds and have followers, global history, well obviously before christ there were religions.. nature based religions pagens, celts etc w.e none the less they posed a threat to your bible preaching jezusslaves that end up commenting on these videos like we have here.. they were labeld as demons witches devil worshipers, then the inquisition came to erase the threat. now occult means hidden knowledge in the dictionary. so, ask questionss. seek the truth
josephcorsale 1 year ago
“...you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire [an ancient occult practice], or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination [detestable] to the LORD…”
-Deuteronomy 18:9-12a
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave I'm not sure what your point is here. The point of this video is that tarot cards are in fact NOT occult in origin, nor were they created with the intention that they be used for anything but playing card games - games that are still played in many countries today.
While I understand that you may object to divination, that is also performed with tea leaves, coffee grounds and dominoes. So what? Should we stop drinking tea? No, nor should we put aside play with tarot cards.
ANIideas 1 year ago
@ANIideas IT`S A SIN AGAINST 1ST COMMANDMENT OF GOD. IT`S BASED ON DEMONIC POWER AND YOU WANT TO CREATE YOUR REALITY AND WANT TO BE GOD FOR YOURSELF!
YOU PUT YOUR TRUST IN TAROT AND DEMONS INSTEAD OF PUTTING YOUR TRUST IN GOD ONLY, YOUR NUMBER ONE!
JOHN 6:66 / YOUR CHOICE!
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave OK, I really think that you've not understood. Tarot cards were NOT created for fortune telling, nor did their images represent anything occult. Indeed, the images are predominantly Christian - that's why the Church never opposed their spread through Europe as a card game!
Just because a bunch of occultists waffle on about the cards being somehow mysterious or magical doesn't mean we have to believe them. I don't.
So I don't trust in tarot, I just play the game.
ANIideas 1 year ago
@ANIideas IT STARTS FROM GAMES.MOVIES, MUSIC AND FINISH IN OCCULTISM!
THERE ARE NORMAL CARDS.
YOUR CHOICE!
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@JezusSlave Tarot cards are normal - they consist of a bog standard pack of Latin suited playing cards with the addition of some trumps. For 350 years, nobody used them for anything other than card games. Why would playing a game with a pack of playing cards intended for playing that game, without any occult origin or meaning, lead to occultism? Would you say this of Happy Families or 7s or Top Trumps, or Pokemon?
And please, find the Caps Lock!
ANIideas 1 year ago
@ANIideas actualy they where greek mythological gods these gods are then taken on by the roman mythology and then into roman catholosism do your research
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@arcticwolfxno1x What were Greek gods? Tarot trumps?
There was a forerunner to the tarot pack that did indeed feature the Greek pantheon in the role of trumps - they were to celebrate the state visit by the Greek Emperor. However, the tarot's trumps would appear to be a triumph procession with a simple Christian allegory in three groups (the mortal, the moral, and the celestial) which served to indicate their order (they were not originally numbered, so this was an important function).
ANIideas 1 year ago
@ANIideas sorry about that maybe i should enphasize , what ive read , here goes.
Filippo Maria Visconti, duke of Milano and perhaps the richest man in Italy in the early renaissance, had a fatal disturbance in his youth. His father Giangaleozzo on his way to become king of Italy was poisoned and died, when Filippo was 10 years old. The mother was killed by his elder brother in prison.
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas The dukedom broke in pieces and his cruel brother was assasinated some years later. With the help of his wife Beatrice de Tender, a 20 years older widow of the condottieri Ficino Cane, Filippo as new duke of Milano restored the earlier possessions, but the relation to the much older woman ended in tragedy, Filippo accused her of adultery and she ended beheaded.
Filippo became a hard and lonesome man with it ...
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas In 1424/1425 Filippo was at the height of his success. He was very successful at the battlefield and the earlier power of the Milanese dukedom had redeveloped. His mistress was expecting a child, this was a great relief, because Filippo had reason to believe that he could not have children. He prepared a Triumph celebration ("Trionfo") to show his pride and joy in the coming birth.
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas We don't know it for sure, and the following is half a fiction, but ... The Greek Emperor came to a visit in 1424, asking for help against the Osmans, probably that meeting caused an interest in Greek gods at the side of Filippo. He decided to commission a worthful playing card deck and as major motifs were chosen 16 Greek gods. The deck should have appeared at the occasion of the projected Trionfo.
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas In April 1425 the child was born, it was not the wished male heir, only a daughter, Bianca Maria Visconti, who later was involved variously in the production of socalled Trionfi-cards. She stayed the only surviving child. The Trionfo was celebrated in June 1425 ...
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas Time advanced and already in the same year 1425 a war between Venetia and Milan broke out and occupied the militaric energies of the North Italian cities for the next 30 years. In 1453 Constantinople was conquered by the Osmans, the questions for help stayed more or less unheard in all the years.
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas Around the time of the fall of Constantinople the socalled Trionfi cards became a successful game. In 1454 the Italians cities decided for peace. The wonder of the renaissance could take place, printing industry entered and the knowledge in the European world exploded. The Trionfi decks developed and were later called Tarot cards.
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas and there you have it the rest is all bullshit simply to suit retarded people who wont learn , who wont educate them selves wont question anything and just except it for what it truly is but saying that in an argument about any such text written about history or origin can we as a human race take the text at face value , the answer is no . look at religion and what its doin to us , personaly i hate religous people i hate the god concept its rediculous im with richard dawkins
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas all religion is based on one theory of hero concept to look up to someone , then again you look at all the religions they talk about gods in the sky not heaven ,ok gods in the sky i can go with boeing 747 landin on a primative ireland with uneducated mind believing that they are gods who came to save them give them gifts clothes and water who knows but this kind of thing happened in 1940 during 2nd ww so can we actually believe that either the old gods
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas old gods are based on the stars or they are aliens or are they just a more developed human being on this planet that could fly in the sky and like the old biblical story of destruction thes technologies where lost , like atlantis . or gilgamesh . who knows as written his story is only carried on to next genoration by the winner of a territorial battle in which as you will know the great babillonian library well wtf is it did it excist ir is it just here say chinese wispers or
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
@ANIideas was it just a news North East West South , report over centuries written on paper , have you ever stopped and thought about the wonder in the fact that ancient civilizations wrote on stone granite . if we levelled our world with great destruction like hiroshima nagozaki , with nothing left to prove you was sat in a chair on that day looking at a news paper that told you about something that happened down the rd from you , who the hell would even know you existed in time .
arcticwolfxno1x 1 year ago
if the illuminati have any thing to do with this then im done with tarot cards
soothingspirt17 1 year ago
Is it true that Carl Jung developed the theory of Archetypes from Tarot cards?
mananirvana 1 year ago
@mananirvana There's no proof that he developed his theory that way, but he wrote about the tarot archetypes at great length. Check out the book, "Jung and Tarot: An Archetypal Journey" by Sallie Nichols. Good book :)
IntuitiveTeacher 1 year ago
great video
Eleonora4646 1 year ago
Thanks so much for this video,
It is certainly great pleasure to see facts presented about the history of the Tarot, so our card games can gradually become more popular. Thanks so much^-^
From Chirno the Ice Fairy
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
It can tell more about your future...
shantetree 1 year ago
@shantetree My future is not well predicted by simply cards and a Tarotist...
I am a Tarotist of card games, not of divination!
Chirno9Icefall 1 year ago
I personally find nonsense people use tarot for "reading". I find that extremely silly quite honestly.
Being a HUGE fan of tarot playing games, that's how I use the cards, an oh, Italian suited cards are my favourite ^^ Even though the tarot nouveau is quite interesting.
Can someone tell me the name of the deck at 1:00? I've looking for that old Italian-suited tarot deck, but I don't know the name :(
ImaginaryVoncroy 1 year ago
@ImaginaryVoncroy I share your taste in the Italian designs for game play. There are three that I particularly enjoy - the Modiano Tarocco Piedmontese (which comes in a nice BIG green box), the Swiss 1JJ (I always buy packs with the French titles - the English translations sold have 'wands' and 'pentacles'), and the Fournier Marseilles.
The pack here is one of the Visconti packs - without looking for my copies, I would rule out the Cary-Yale.
ANIideas 1 year ago
Cards do not predict the future, they are only a tool for tapping the intuition. For divination anything that activates and focusses the internal intuition is sufficient from yarrow sticks to crystal balls to dots on a page.
The practical use as a set of archtypal images based on Qabalistic classics and ancient wisdom is quite separate and apart from their commercial use. A good esoteric deck is invaluable to anyone interested in Jungian psychology.
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I have a Minotarot deckits never been open still brand new deck in cello. I might consider selling it if the price is right. Or I will just lock it away for another 20+ years. .Designed and self-published by Eric Provoost, the deck was issued in France in 1982 in a limited edition of 2,000 copies. The artwork is black and white, with additional touches of brown in the Majors. The back of the deck is terra cotta with an image of a white 7-circuit labyrinth. The deck is signed and numbered
Nesnatae 1 year ago
terrible music
madamoiselle0sahara 2 years ago
just to ask can u look in to gypst fotune cards & ancent runes just out of couriosity ?.
fflamadwy2009 2 years ago
the thing about tarot is...yeah, you can trace it back to a card game and insist it is only a card game, as folks do. this video is a bit more even-tempered. the thing about "inventing" all the esoteric meaning to the cards is where the problem is. it is true that in the past few centuries, the meaning of tarot has exploded, being merged with both egyptian and hebrew occultism. but that doesnt necessarily mean that isn't true also
Wyrdmaven 2 years ago
with modern psychology, and the ideas that archetypes and symbols are keys to the unconsciousness, seeing in the tarot cards images some of these archeytypes, after the fact...doesnt dismiss the tarot as a tool for divination or even magic. "fortune telling" is not quite the correct term.
if you think of tarot cards as very fancy inkblots you can get the idea here
if it is a card game to you, fine. but there's no need to insist it is a card game for everybody.
Wyrdmaven 2 years ago
it has also been my experience that folks that dismiss tarot as having any esoteric value have never had a proper reading done.
but the thing I'm trying to get across is that if what tarot was, a card game, has been given a broader meaning that appears "invented" that doesnt mean that tarot doesnt have esoteric value
it's like seeing a flower that is just a flower but we later realize it can be used as a herb for seasoning food, or for medicine. it functions as both at the same time
fiat lux
Wyrdmaven 2 years ago
@Wyrdmaven You're speaking of the game as if it were past tense. Tarot games are still played today in European countries. It is especially popular in France. Tarot did not evolve in a linear direction. Occult or divinatory Tarot, while it might be the most known, is only one branch of it. The games are another which continue to be played and the internet is slowly exposing more people to them.
Oudler 2 years ago 9
The application of tarot in psychology in this fasion is no more divination than is the use of ink blots. This application is of no interest to the sceptic - it is, frankly, mundane. Further, I would recommend that a person who needs that kind of therapy seek a professional rather than some Joe with a pack of cards.
Tarot is not just a game for me, it is a game for everybody - you can use it in different ways if you like, but it IS a game.
ANIideas 2 years ago 4
While tarot cards were not created to convey occult meanings, they can, of course, be used to do so - and indeed, the veracity of those meanings is independent of the origin of tarot.
However, that veracity and the efficacy of divination remain unsupported by evidence and are often contrary to reason.
Also, by adopting the cards for esoteric purpose and by promoting a false history, occultists are both lying and committing nothing short of cultural vandalism. It is right to fight that!
ANIideas 2 years ago 6
Carl Jung was the first psychologist to attach importance to tarot symbolism.[21] He may have regarded the tarot cards as representing archetypes: fundamental types of persons or situations embedded in the subconscious of all human beings.
Tripper2010 2 years ago
@Tripper2010 Freud played Koenigrufen before Jung did the symbolism bit!
Oudler 2 years ago
Timothy Leary has suggested that the Tarot Trump cards are a pictorial representation of human development from infant to adult, with the Fool symbolizing the newborn infant, the Magician symbolizing the stage at which an infant begins to play with artifacts, etc. In Leary's view the Tarot Trumps may be viewed as a blueprint for the human race as it matures
Tripper2010 2 years ago
People have been able to read any number of magical, occult, spiritual, and psychological systems INTO tarot cards. Their designs are sufficiently ambiguous for that.
As a consequence, if we want to claim that any one of those systems is somehow relevant to their origin and the intent behind them requires some evidence. That evidence just isn't their.
So, when you cite these claims, I'm not sure what you point is. They have always struck me as trivial notions, amusements and no more.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
Aggggh! Of course "their" should be "there"
ANIideas 2 years ago
I've been a tarot reader since i was 14 and....I also have my doubts about tarot predicting future...this guy should read waite's work a bit more thoroughly.
cheap journalism
alonsovelasquez 2 years ago
well actuly i think he may have looked in to it. partly 'cause he filmed himself searching the stuff on google.
fflamadwy2009 2 years ago
Fuck christians. They ruin everything.
They get so fucking sensitive about anything that is RUMORED to be evil... and they blow it right the fuck out of proportion.
GOD DAMN! WTF
Ozzy0sbourne 2 years ago
In fairness, the line from the Catholic church and the Church of England is that tarot cards were indeed created for game play. Much of Europe still plays these games without any objection from the Church in those countries. The occult interpretation of tarot is objected to though.
Of course, most Christians are exposed to the same misleading media as the rest of us but in my experience, most of the anti-tarot sentiment comes from US evangelical Christianity without knowledge of the games.
ANIideas 2 years ago 3
Tarot cards are just cards...
The power of a fortune teller, if they have any is in their insight of human nature and possible innate psychic ability.
Washu73 2 years ago 5
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I don't talk to abusers. This is over
janityy 2 years ago
This seems a common attitude, folk such as yourself come along and make wild assertions without offering any evidence for them, then when others don't agree, you become insulting, making wild accusations with, again, nothing to back them. Finally, when it's clear that you are unable to meet others in debate, you make a parting insult and blame your leaving on others, in this case because they are "abusers".
On what grounds do you accuse me of being an abuser?
ANIideas 2 years ago
U have 2 accounts but are same person. U need to get help and see a psychiatrist.
janityy 2 years ago
My other account is philebus1972 - I haven't used it in ages. However, why you should think that having more than one account would by symptomatic of some illness is beyond me - perhaps you could explain.
ANIideas 2 years ago
The Constitution protects me and my cards. I'm happy. U are a miserable abuser who never laughs and has any fun except subjugating people. Abusers only have fake power. Ha ha
janityy 2 years ago
Janityy, no one is after you or your cards, so be happy. However, thus far you have done nothing but make assertions you will not back and cast insults at those who do not agree.
If there is any abuse here, it is against history. We do not claim any power for you to call fake, and I dare say that we all have a lot of fun, not by subjugating anyone but quite often, though not exclusively, by playing a good game of cards. And in that, the only killjoy here is you!
ANIideas 2 years ago
It doesn't matter. Tarot is recognized by United States Constitution just like Christianity. Wicca. Islam. Etc. So saying prove history of tarot same as saying prove Christianity. Its a pointless debate. They are all recognized. So u don't like it go find a religion u like.
janityy 2 years ago
No, asking someone to prove their claims about an occult history of tarot is like asking someone to prove any other objective claim of history, be that Young Earth Creationism, or the denial of the Holocuast.
Asking someone to prove the existence of a God is different however, as it is a philosophical question rather than an empirical one - but still open to meaningful debate.
I don't look for religions I like, I look for what I have most reason to believe. I shall continue to do so.
ANIideas 2 years ago
Religions aren't recognized by the US Constitution. The US Constitution says that Congress will not pass laws restricting its excercise nor establish any religion.
Oudler 2 years ago
Tarot is a religion. U have ur religion I have mine. The United States Constitution protects me and my beliefs. U have ur religion I have mine. Saying tarot is not a religion is saying other 3000 religions not religions. You tube and internet an open system ur abuse will fail now. U cannot burn us at the stake or stop the spread of tarot. I win u loose. Now go play it as a game.boring boring u are boring
janityy 2 years ago
I'm not sure that it is correct to call a pack of cards a 'religion'. I will conceed that people have read religious beliefs into the images of tarot. The point however, is that you have not been making claims of faith but objective claims of history - testable against evidence. As such, I can rightly challenge them, just as I would challenge beliefs of religions that are contrary to evidence and reason.
And don't worry, I've no intention of burning you at a stake. But I will go play a game.
ANIideas 2 years ago
Tarot is a deck of cards, really a deck of PLAYING cards. That some people take it to be religion proves that anything could be a religion if one believes it to be so.
Oudler 2 years ago
The problem is that the "spread of tarot" is being stopped or at least inhibited by this widespread belief that the cards are "occult" The understanding that these cards are used for games will help promote the spread of these cards and fully integrate them into our culture.
Oudler 2 years ago 2
Just more tarot cards for us. THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO SHALL NOT SEE. BAAAA GOOGLE SHEEPLE. FREESLAVES ARE SHEEPLE LIVING IN THE MATRIX A REALITY GOVT HAS CREATED FOR U. SHEEPLE PROGRAMMING CENTER IS WHERE U SEND UR KIDS. ITS A BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION PROGRAM. WHY WOULD A PERSON RESPOND TO A BELL AND TAKE A TEST TO PROVE TO GOVT THEY KNOW ANSWER. CAUSE THERE A SHEEPLE LIVING IN MATRIX THINKING TAROT IS JUST A GAME OR WORKING FOR ILLUMINATE TO KEEP MASSES DUMB AND LOST
janityy 2 years ago
Tarot cards are occult.Path of fool to the Sage. Roland Berrill the founder of Mensa an organization for geniuses commissioned to have a tarot card deck made called The Royal Fez Moroccan Tarot. Led Zeppelins 4th album Stairway to Heaven open it up huge picture of Hermit tarot card. But I guess Jimmy Paige, Robert Plant and the founder of MENSA are stupid. Tarot is part of Hebrew book the Torah and is an ancient Egyptian Initiation path. FUCK off u working for the Illuminati scumbags
janityy 2 years ago
Tarot cards are occult because Led Zeppelin says so! Jimmy Page is an excellent guitarist but does that mean that we must believe everything he says to be true?
Tarockspieler 2 years ago
In IQ is a guarantee of nothing - especially if you're working outside of your specialist field. And even then, daft things happen, from claims of memory water to the whole cold fusion muddle.
You've been asked eslewhere to back your assertions with some evidence and failed to do so.
As for the Moroccan Fez - it's nothing to boast about, being a virtual clone of the RWS pack.
ANIideas 2 years ago
I think Tarot are drawn from observing the planets, elements, seasons and astrology (constellations).
Jeorney 2 years ago
It is clear that rlm's psychotic rants are incoherant. We are not even sure if he's for or against occult tarot. Tarot cards are not like Ouja boards. Occult tarot is not the only nor is it the original use of tarot cards. Yes, tarot is played as a game. The cards were made for games and the games are played in countries like Hungary, Austria and France! There is no reasoning with conspiracy nutsacks like rlm.
Tarockspieler 2 years ago 16
Don't mention how to read trumps to randomlaughingkid or he'll start throwing a strop at poker and black jack :D
Necromalix 2 years ago
Hi, nice & clear video about the facts.
Nice music as well, Lucifer Sam, its also a bit lost history of a great band :)
zagyex 2 years ago 4
Thanks. I try not to repeat myself too much, but I've got some Pink Floyd in my newest episode as well.
tokarski21 2 years ago
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your Sun Tzu video is very good, but here you just are prey to every illogic and lie there could be - it's a pity you learned nothing at all from looking at true wisdom from the East. do you think the authors of the Eastern tomes didn't use the I Ching for divination, and were unaware that it worked, and why it works. look at the kind of 'pig fishes' (hexagram 61, chung fu) your video here attracts.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Hey can you do a history of astrology?
Edbrad 2 years ago
That's a topic with a lot longer history behind it than tarot. I bet there's some interesting things there, and I'll check it out.
tokarski21 2 years ago
ROTFLMAO!
Oudler 2 years ago
Yes, it is hard to keep your composure at these comments. However, he does seem to be serious.
I suspect that he subscribes to the conspiracy theories involving reptiles and half-reptiles in positions of power, keeping everyone in ingnorance to maintain their control. Exactly what the reptiles' goals are depends upon which variety of this theory you look at.
There are a LOT of videos about these theories here.
In any case, our friend cannot be engaged with, so I'm done with it for now.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
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you are a fucking reptile you useless eater fucktard. stop trying to deny it faggot. even the sheeple you ahrimanic scumfucks depend on to stay asleep know what you're up to thesedays, yet you go on and on with the same tired cliched routines you've been belching out to deny fact, as if you haven't been long exposed for what you really are. you spread lies about things like tarot to keep people mind-controlled, ignorant, and unaware of how reality actually works. i'm not your friend scumfuck.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
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kill yourself you ahrimanic scum.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
You're the repto parasite that puppets all the soul-less cunts that post the same lies at various places online.
You've already had two fake copies of my account banned, schizofag, yet you think I won't present that fact each time you choose to follow me when another of your groupmind fails.
Why are you age 34 here,
user/randomlaughlngman
& age 24 at the fake account you write from there?
did the Montauk Chair blow a coil again cause you did too many brainrapes in one session?
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
This could relate to an I Ching video, if you have one up or someone else has a similarly themed one - they're meant to act like the 64 hexagrams, they show situations, or relations of all manifest things to one another and what interactions are possible.
Lots of the western occult info has mappings of the Tree of Life (10 sephiroths) and the paths connecting them (12 lines), those are the 22 trump cards. The courts relate to the 'JHVH' unit, and the numbers are - numbers! Ancient India and
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Arab culture (and Mayan) had the number/concept of zero, which is obviously decimal related - as in 10-count returns. 0 - 9, or 1 - 10. Egypt had that concept in terms of 'Nun' or the void = zero, then the 'eye of Ra' or Atum is the point that emerges out of the nothing, then it's a line (2D), then it rotates/sweeps around itself and becomes a circle (threeness) and so forth. It's just basic sacred geometry. You may want to check out Schwaller du Lubiczs work.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
I like that at the end of your video you said you had your doubts about the tarot, but also made it clear it was your opinion. Great vid.
Specialjorj 2 years ago
Thanks. I believe our opinions should be shared with an open mind, and not forced on each other. On a different note, did you see that they recently did a survey of the most trusted newsman in the USA? Jon Stewart won with 44%.
tokarski21 2 years ago
It's funny, I'm watching him rigt now lol. But yeah I heard about that on a glimpse of a comercial. I wasn't 100% sure if it was him, or Stephen Colbert though.
Specialjorj 2 years ago
I think this was aweaome
gardenspook 2 years ago
Thanks!
tokarski21 2 years ago
Thank you for this video :)
superCatia 2 years ago
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching.
tokarski21 2 years ago
that actually sounds very correct. every time Ive done a tarot reading I always got it right. even when I did them on other people. people I didnt even know
andondreal 2 years ago
this is incorrect. the torot cards predate back into ancient egypt (and possibly further) , though not referenced as torot, something else. far before the chinees. though dating is hard when your talking about wondering bums (gypsies). i know this for a fact. im currently looking for the trail i once reasearched to conclude this ^_^ so when i have solid evidence ill contact you. though an impressive research indeed, nicely done.
sydisticsandman 2 years ago
The notion that Tarot cards go back to ancient Egypt has been debunked many times over.
Oudler 2 years ago 3
Thanks for watching, and good luck with your research. I look forward to hearing what you find.
tokarski21 2 years ago
Any luck finding that reference?
The only suggestion of evidence for an ancient Egyptian origin that I know of is the claim that Iamblichus mentions the figures as part of an initiation ritual. If it is this that you are thinking of, then you might want to read Iamblichus first - translations of his existing works are now public domain.
As for gypsies - remember that they don't come from Egypt and that they arrived a little late to have carried tarot to us.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
Jews and gypsies are the same thing, it was to do with Wanderers, those without a specific land. The Egypt connection I presume would also be linked to the Kabbalah (Jewish people enslaved by Phaorahs etc, the sciences would have intermingled) - the usual casino packs are 52 decks, minus 4 for the Princess' as they only use Jacks, minus the 22 'trumps' which correspond to the Hebrew letters. Put the missing court cards and the 22 trumps back in = 78.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
No, Jews and Gypsies are not the same. Gypsies are a group of people originating from the Indian Sub-continent and had nothing to do with the origin of tarot. The 'casino' pack you mention is not missing the other cards, it came first and the other cards were added later in the mid 15th century.
ANIideas 2 years ago
They are, the original Jews include a lot of black tribes (obviously) as well. Wanderers, remember? And nobody took casino cards THEN added in the others, the 78 cards match to the Kabbalah. Learn to read what I wrote! The Kabbalah is a) Jewish b) also Egyptian and c) very old.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
I'm sorry, you've said nothing to establish a link between people from the Indian sub-continent (who arrived in Europe after Tarot is first seen) and the Jews.
Regular 52 card packs of playing cards existed in Europe in the mid/late 14th century via the Malmuks. Tarot is not seen anywhere until the mid 15th century.
The images are all European in origin with no link to Kabbalah beyond some squished numbers - that don't fit the earliest versions of tarot (with perhaps as many as 86 cards).
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
12 Jewish tribes, in the Bible, which is a history book, they wandered around all over and settled elsewhere.
Kabbalah is ancient Egyptian and Jewish, and it fits the Tarot precisely as I already explained in my original post. Any student of where actual 'magic' is derived from knows all that. The western 'mystery schools' that some liars are saying here made shit up, are actually just based on older spiritual teachings - eg, like where the Kabbalah is from.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Sure, the Bible is a kind of history book, albeit one with a great deal that is not substantiated by other sources. However, you have still said nothing to establish a link between the Jews and Gypsies - though Gypsies are clearly not the origin of Tarot in Europe anyway.
Either you are aware of some new genetic level population study or "they wandered about a bit" is somehow good enough for you to establish any link you want with any population you fancy.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
Romany Gypsies say otherwise also, they know their heritage as regards the Tarot.
You haven't read a thing I wrote here. Your repto part just noticed I wrote some facts that it has to try to contradict, in case someone sees the original posts amidst the replies created here by your inability to read the original posts you're replying to.
Additionally, plenty of Rabbi's can show you proof that the OT is about their ancestors, as it's derived from the Torah. There's plenty of pre-Biblical tablets
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
and cylinders that depict accounts that are also in the Bible (OT).
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
As for tarot fitting the Kabbalah - how? Just a few numbers?! Why not suggest that playing cards represent the 52 weeks in a year or that the suits the four seasons? Why not do the whole playing cards in church routine? Just as valid. How do you establish that these few numbers are not coincidental?
The images are all established European subjects and are not found in this way in any other part of the world before tarot's invention.
ANIideas 2 years ago 4
The way I already wrote it does........as I again emphasised also. And as also was commented - they're archetypes that are depcited, & situational such as are the I Ching hexagrams.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
The twat has a whole channel about lies concerning tarot being a game. No wonder he can't take in the facts. The I Ching is 5000 years old, get over it, there's loads of representations featuring the same things and games are derived from them, not the other way around. Same with chess and go.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Tarot cards are used for games. The Tarot game is especially popular in France. It's mainly in English speaking cultures where people think Tarot cards are only used for divination.
Oudler 2 years ago 3
Actually in France they tend not to be twats about facts relating to the masons, sacred geometry, "alternative" history...
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
I suppose we "twats" must apologize for confusing you with the facts.
Oudler 2 years ago 2
You seem to have a problem with civility as well as with history.
Instead of supporting your case, you seem only to have re-stated it.
With regards to the Gypsies knowing "their heritage as regards the Tarot", there is no record of them using tarot until the late 19th century / early 20th century - after the myths of their introducing it had created an expectation in their customers for fortune telling.
If you know of an earlier record, then please, do cite your source.
ANIideas 2 years ago 4
Wrong, you tried to disagree with me as has now been re-stated at least in three replies, when it's clear you didn't read the original comment I made. Don't do your usual repto bs of trying to twist what applies to what you've done onto me.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Looking at your posts, the only 'evidence' you offer to support your claims lies in the number of cards - that as I pointed out has not been shown to be beyond coincidence.
The origins of Gypsies accepted by historians is not what you suggest - you offer no evidence to support your claim.
The fact is that regular 52 card packs were in use long before we see tarot - yet you claim that they were formed by dropping the trumps - without citing any evidence.
ANIideas 2 years ago
You games-don't-come-from-ancient-science-and-mystery-schools-the-world-over theory is above and beyond far more coincidental.
But then I wouldn't expect twats to be able to count in any ancient or modern language.
Let's try it the other way around - what does the 52 deck mean then? We know what the Tarot means and why it has what it has in it, so where does the 52 deck come from and why does it have 3 court cards per suit then, according to you.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
So far as we know, it doesn't mean anything but probably developed from Chinese money games. The earliest 52 card packs we have had 4 suits (cups, coins, scimitars, and polo sticks) each with 3 courts (a King and 2 viceroys).
Europeans changed polo sticks to batons and gave us a King, Rider, and Footman. These are the Latin suits and are still used today.
The earliest tarot we have had 6 courts in each suit - a male and female in each of 3 ranks. Only the Queen was retained in later packs.
ANIideas 2 years ago
There you go again with lies - there's no way the Chinese would have games that "didn't mean anything" and that weren't based upon real-world practical philosophies and spiritual teachings. What you're describing also sounds like Mah Jong. Why do fake-masons always deny the Kabbalah...
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Why do you think that the Chinese would not have games that don't mean anything?
(and note that their Money games were rather different to tarot - games evolve after all)
Does everything have to have some secret meaning? What about Uno? or Happy Families? Does Mr Bun the Baker have some deep magical significance? Please, do explain.
ANIideas 2 years ago
You're a repto - you deliberately selected satans-cock-sucking game titles that your abuse of the occult knows link to things about my person. You share a group-mind with all your 4D parasitic entities in worship of the deciever. Your kind pretend you don't rob from ancient sources, because you abuse the systems you deny exist - like the Kabbalah. You are another 'caz' and you're all right up your own asses.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Now I am a little confused. Could you explain the terms 'repto' and 'caz' - I'm just not familiar with this slang.
By 4D do you mean 4 dimensional? Aren't we all extended in 4 dimensions? or do you think that you are outside of time?
Also, I would point out that I'm an atheist and don't worship anyone.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
All fake-masons that cover up facts on their stole secret societies origins are all saying they are athiests.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Are you asserting that I am a 'fake-mason' on the gounds that I claim atheism?
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
I'm telling a truth that you purposely lie as to occult-anything, because you use those systems of magic and suchlike yourself. You use them in evil and fallen ways, and that is why you are a little bitty part of the conspiracy of stupid assholes who believe that all other people are fooled by their bs.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
By 4D it means your astral-projected puppeters that tell you to think and write the pile of crapola you come away with, the same exact style of it that all soul-less voids express through their empty bodies.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
You still need to work on the whole civility thing, don't you.
ANIideas 2 years ago
No, see there's this whole other real world where people don't talk shit and don't deliberately spread lies to cover up the facts about the real mystery schools and the origins of everything, and where - surprise - nobody behaves like the cunts who do those things deserve any civility. But logic like that goes way over your head. It's not civilised to be a liar you know.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
No, I am not a liar. I have however, read a few history books in my time and am only quoting the known evidence.
If you have evidence of tarot packs predating the mid 15th century, please cite your source.
If you have evidence linking the Jews to the Indian Sub-continent, please cite your source.
If you can demonstrate that the number of cards is not coincidental and explain away the evidence that 78 cards is not the original number, then cite your source.
etc, etc....
ANIideas 2 years ago
You are pushing a line of thinking that is known to be false and has been proven so over and over, from every conceievable direction.
You're some fake-mason that is trying to cover up facts = repto. Fakes like that are nowadays pretending their 'academia' is somehow right and the only correct truth, when really they are just about erasing actual history and trying to keep what little gnosis they stole to themselves like no-one else knows about it.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
So, rather than cite any evidence to refute the position of historians, you simply dismiss them as part of some conspiracy because they don't agree with you?
If I have understood that correctly, then you need to offer some evidence for it or people could be forgiven for thinking you paranoid.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
The fake bs you're pushing doesn't agree with anyone sane, it's not just me.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Perhaps you could cite some sane folk willing to present some evidence?
ANIideas 2 years ago
Faggot, try to get this through your thicko head of stupidity - your same-old lies and tricks NEVER WORKED on anyone sane to begin with, so don't try the usual asshole peado-crap like "people could be forgiven for" as if any real people are on your kinds side about anything at all. Go look up one of the many 1000s of channels here that prove your insidious lies 100% WRONG and realise you are not now and have never been considered right about any of it. Are you deaf, lizardchops?
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
"peado-crap" - that is getting offensive, even to me. You really do need to calm down.
Could you explain "lizardchops" as well as "repto" and "caz" - thank you in advance.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
Stop siding with peados then, and ignoring the truth about your occult links and hiding where things really come from.
You must have missed the last 20 years or something, do they keep you in the basement?
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
I'm going to call this a day now - I should probably have let this rest a number of posts back and have apologised to the channel owner for keeping you going.
Your insults are now referencing and associating me with "peados" and that is beyond the acceptable.
So for now, a little advice to you. If someone offers you some rope, you don't need to take it.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2