I have never seen such a disingenuous bastard in my entire life. Using the media to spread his personal view that the media places too much emphasis on peoples personal views. What he is really saying is that if you don't believe what he does then you are an idiot and should be denied any form of voice. To put it more simply he is a Fascist, he would not be out of place in Nazi Germany. If we are going to talk about Medical Science let him admit that it is THE leading cause of death in society!
@lepervier66 This isn't "his personal view", this is just the objective truth. Not that somebody like you would know what truth is, if you're so delusionsal you think medicine is the biggest killer today.
@DeoMachina Objective truth!, you are a joke. I guess you believed in WMD as well. The facts are there for anyone to read. Misdiagnosis,mistreatment,mistakes,over prescription,wrong prescription, lethal side effects, lethal infections from surgery, the list goes on, killed more people in this country than any other cause of death. More than all alternative treatments combined. But i guess you believed that smoking didn't cause cancer either, because a doctor was paid to say so. Wake up idiot.
BMJ retracted their claims against Dr. Wakefield... and countless parents are watching their children degress after taking the MMR. Should we trust people who are pushing profits for big business or our lying eyes? Measles can be treated... there is no treatment for Autism. So why should we play russian roulette with our kids when the science is being crooked on all sides?
@wyrda222 its a very good point about shock, unfortunately you've looked at it the wrong way around. Vaccinations can cause a lot of stress on children as they are an invasive procedure (I myself used to have a phobia of them). Therefore separating them out into 3 separate vaccines would cause more stress on the patient.
Ben showed everyone in this clip that the media cannot manage to report good science, only opinions. What do they do just after his report? They say that what he said was a "personal view".
Yes it was his view, but you could have done yourself a favour by mentioning that it is also the view of every rational thinking human being on the planet who has skeptically analysed the evidence. Trying desperately not to use the profane words I am currently shouting irrationally at my computer screen...
but isn't it just common sense to not give a child anything alien in separate doses?
I wouldn't try three new foods on a child at once.
Autism aside, the shock I've seen induced on a child when trying to deal with the effects of MMR has left with changed behavior like many traumas would. Isn't that just obvious, or am I missing something?!
"... Goldacre won a British Science Writers (BSW) award, in 2003, the very year that he began working for the Guardian. At this time, the BSW was funded by MMR manufacturers Glaxo Wellcome and called the Glaxo Wellcome BSW Award... "
@tommyk77 I was thinking that too - clearly it's meant so that any legal action will be directed against Goldacre rather than the network. But on the other hand, they did give him his say, even though it's an argument that makes them look somewhat guilty as well as others. I'd rather see the story with the 'cowardly' disclaimer than not see it.
That wasn't a personal view. That was actually the opposite of a personal view. That was a view based on current science and represents a researched and supported view.
Yet more failures of the media in science reporting.
This guy is AWESOME! I love how so many anti-vax loons are named "Jenny" --Coincidence? Heck naw! Conspiracy! At least, that's what an antivax kook would say if the tables were turned...
The media response to this has been ridiculous. Every station and paper is clamoring to vilify Wakefield. One man did not send the world into a blind panic and cause those measles deaths. The media are the ones who hyped it up and sold this bullshit to the world, and now they suddenly switch sides? It's their fault. They spewed sensationalist facts without bothering to check the research. They should be apologizing.
being a know it all freak on youtube especially when you are wrong is the behaviour of a sociopath.
i know this because i have had many of these conversations with numerous people and eventually they all admit that there are no properly conducted safety trials.
its even in ben goldacres book, granted it is a bit hard to find and you never see him confirm it.
too busy talking shite like you.
trouble is the ordinary public have decided to do a bit of research and guess what.
Pretending to be a doctor on YouTube is utterly pathetic. It's unfortunate that you have no shame, self-respect of sense of honesty. You lying sack of shit.
trying to make you do something and give up your right to decide whats bests for your kids, like there your daddy, by using un-necessary fear to control you.
may i refer you to some of the commenters below and above.
like this guy metalbd for example, but there are loads of others.
i am a doctor, and i will not give my kids the MMR, there are loads of doctors like me finding the courage to speak out at the vaccination coverup.
its fucking youtube, and all you can come up with in response is a grammar lesson; interestingly to a person from a profession well known for its poor handwriting, odd grammatical notation, specialised and often unusual prose, etc etc etc.
your honesty bears no relevance as you are just punctuating the hidden falsehood that lies at the center of medicine, that is now being splattered all over alternative media for all to see.
Ha ha ha, you massive pathetic twat! Firstly, you're typing, so what's handwriting got to do with it? Secondly, you're not using odd grammatical notation or specialised or unusual prose, you're mangling syntax because you can barely string a coherent sentence together. Thirdly, it's more likely that you're an anti-vax twat than a doctor, so do us all a favour and either a) prove you're a doctor or b) apologise for being a desperately pathetic lying waste of space. Your choice!
still waiting on those papers, get back to me when you find them.
you know thoses papers on safety and efficacy that are done by the industry standard randomised double blind study with appropriate statistical and epidemiological analysis.
evidense based medicine without the evidense; dosent that mean that you are full it, by your own admission.
do you have to hyperbolise everything twice cause you know the game is up, acting like a stuttering gibbering buffoon making a futile point.
And the bold ben goldacre will obviously be making some sort of comment on this book, that has went to No.1, seeing as he is a big critic of big pharma.
Or will he just say nothing like his dad did after he did research that showed that the original MMR increased significantly your chances of getting meningitis.
Weird that, how a guy who reputedly says he is on the patients side against the pharmaceutical companies suddenly has nothing to say or is he a gatekepper who works with evan harris
and where is your evidence, please show me the peer reveiwed papers on the safety and efficacy of any vaccine that have been done in the last 25 years.
no papers, at this scientific level, with proper statisical analysis means there is no scientific evidence. and that is the problem.
when you add on the fact that the govt, thru the influence of big pharma keep this accurate information, from the public, together with the fact that they deny any serious side effects, tell us something.
either news people who report on science need a refresher course on science and analyze scientific reports the way a scientist would or the lay public themselves need to understand how science works and read the scientific reports themselves and cut out the media middle men, or both. most science journalists just report what was stated in the conclusions of reports without bothering to check if the reported data do, in fact, support the conclusion. And most lay people do the same.
and ben goldacre is not a scientist. he is a psychiatrist, well practised in the art of transactional analysis, and medical journalist at the Guardian, where he shares a desk with evan harris the dodgy, expense screwing, ex-MP that represents big pharma . pure coincidence
sadly many people have not caught up with the current events that clearly show that his own father was involved in a vaccine coverup 20 years ago despite his protestations that all experts agree.
I think it's super that you're continuing to make so many barely literate comments on these videos. It's a great demonstration of what a bunch of raving nutjobs you antivaxxers are.
i am not an anti-vaxer and what you have written shows that you are just a facepalming idiot who will not declare publically the reference and peer reviewed papers on safety and efficacy for these vaccines.
come on just name them, they are only the industry standard for safety.
its not me that needs to question their mental status. are you ok.
or are you such a sicko, that what you do is go on youtube and argue black is white and blue is no colour at all, to stoke your huge ego on how super duper clever you are and anyone with a different opinion must be shot down in flames by your infinite intellect and wisdom.
like i said i am not an anti vaxer, i want you to have your shots, best treatment for you in the long run
and you should believe these two dumplings, Skaryon and tooyjfwn, below when they show you the peer reviewed papers on " safety " and " efficacy " of the swine flu vaccine, both 2009 monovalent vaccine and this years trivalent.
they cant because the papers do not exist and they know it, and so resort to the traditional facepalming and patronising
until then just keep taking non scientifically proven potions, that have all sorts of dodgy additives in them that will do you no harm at all.
The thing that was lacking from the 'anti MMR camp seems to be solid research based evidence. The original UK research that the 'anti' camp based their theories on has proven to be fundamentally flawed. The anti camp talk out about an unhealthy relationship between the drug Co. and the medical fraternity, implying also that doctors are bias. The flawed UK research was funded by a group of parents seeking to 'prove' evidence of the MMR autism link for use in future legal action, that is bias.
the mmr jab does it. You don't just 'wake up' autistic. You're born with it or you get it From the mmr jab. I know 3 peoples kids who've become autistic after the jab. the goverment even know. they have money for family who suffer. they can't admit and stop giving the jab, they will be sued millions
@UntouchedRaindrops The National Autistic Society's official stand on the MMR jab is that "there is no statistically significant link between the MMR vaccine and autism". If there was a link between the two, don't you think they'd be the first to campaign against it?
@MsCarissa88 They get money. They try to cover it up, but how much more proof do you need? The children are happy and healthy and then they have the MMR jab and BOOM. You don't suddenly find yourself autistic
And they said it was safe to begin with so they an't then turn around and say it can cause autism
@UntouchedRaindrops So you're saying that a CHARITY that is trying to help people with autism and their families is involved in a giant conspiracy to cover up the MMR jab's involvement in causing autism? Ok... That makes no sense. Autism is caused by genetic and environmental factors but there is no statistically significant evidence to link MMR to autism. Stop believing scare mongerers and read a medical journal outlining research done by intelligent and, more importantly, unbiased scientists.
@MsCarissa88 I guess you believe everything Doctors tell you , huh? I have a book called 'what doctors don't tell you' You would be VERY surprised. For example did you know that the Rubela part of the MMR jab is grown on an aborted fetus? There are dangers of vaccination and other things in that book that you wuld never even think doctors would do. You just can't trust anyone in this world...
@UntouchedRaindrops I don't believe everything doctors tell me. I'd rather look at the evidence myself. (It's why I've studied medicinal chemistry for the past 4 years and plan to continue into medicine) The autism claim was from one paper which was proven to be flawed. I was aware that initial formulations of MMR used embryo lung tissue. They don't use embryos anymore, they use cell lines. That book sounds like a good read. Have you read any of Ben Goldachre's books? 'Bad Science' is fantastic.
@MsCarissa88 No i haven't, but i'll look for it in the library (: I won't argue with you anymore, because i don't think either of us is going to agree with the other :L
@UntouchedRaindrops Would it really matter if they used an aborted feotus? I mean it's not like they go around forcing women to get abortions so they can steal the feotuses.
I'd rather the dead kids be put to use saving the living kids.
@UntouchedRaindrops "I know 3 peoples kids who've become autistic after the jab" the jab is carried out at a time when the symptoms of autism mainly appear. I know someone with 3 autistic children, only the last one had the jab because it didn't exist b4. Statistically there has to be people that show symptons a short while after the jab. But that doesn't mean the jab caused it.!
@UntouchedRaindrops A bird chirped just before I fell and broke my leg. Therefore the bird chirp made me fall and break my leg. Silly right? Correlation does not imply causation.
The trouble with the media is that it is driven by two things, a good story and public arguments.
The kind of arguments they are used to dealing with are political ones where in the end it usually comes down to opinion, so they just don't understand the concept of being absolutely wrong.
And when it comes to a good story they make up whatever they can get away with. The only reason they report the football scores correctly is that they wouldn't get away with making them up.
It baffles me that people still believe the media's bullshit regarding the MMR hoax. Unfortunately there's no reasoning with these people, far as they're concerned they're right and that's it, despite the monumental hoard of evidence supporting the claim that MMR is completely safe
my name is ben goldacre and i am a pharmawhore who will never criticise vaccines, i never said one word about the totally untrialed swine flu shot and of
course i will be on holiday for the next two years, now that a story has appeared in the Telegraph saying that it was not so safe after all.
its all due to a bad family habit of not saying anything; i got it from my dad who discovered the MMR Urabe meningitis link, and then got paid off to keep quiet about it all. basically were dickheads.
plagerism is very naughty but after some thought and cconsideration i have decided to overlook the matter as long as you give benji three rapid about the head or body, as soon as he comes out of hiding.
better still, if you find out where he is hiding, give me a call !
Those big pharma companies can make more money off homeopathic "remedies"...Just get something like caffeine, dilute it with water, shuka shuka shuka shake it baby....Tadaaa, you have yourself a homeopathic remedy in which the components are dirt cheap and you don't have to spend billions on research. Why bother with inefficient profit brings like vaccines when homeopathic "medicine" would give a way better profit margin :) Oh and you can escape those pesky govt regulations.
" APPEARS " to piss off the pharma companies ! D'Oh !!!
and i quote " every single expert that you have had on has always said that the MMR is a good thing " !
except his own dad, Dr Michael Goldacre, Public Health Consultant who did a peer reviewed paper condemning the original MMR pluserix, a vaccine which is still available in Africa, thru UNESCO and WHO.
ever wondered why, in the 90's we had all those outbreaks of meningitis.
And also why benny is on twitter getting his knickers all in a twist, because finally after twenty years, the shit has hit the fan for the medical establishment and all its sychophantic chorus of so called experts, like ben, liam donaldson, prof oxford, prof gordon duff, roy anderson and others that said you will die if you dont take the swine flu shot that was tested on the UK public, as guinea pigs without their FULL INFORMED CONSENT; get a good lawyer, doctors that took part in that fiasco.
@markscott7777777 They are experts. He is a doctor. A doctor who goes to extraordinary lengths to make sure his reasearch, findings and analysis are supported by evidence. when he does make these conclusions then he's more than happy to give the links to the original data so that, if you do disagree with him, you can go to the source yourself and come to your own conclusions.
i was recently told that i required MMR by a health board pen pushing functionary, for safety in the work place, under penalty of dismissal, even though i have had all three diseases as a child, and therefore cannot contract them !
if you wish to think that there is not problem with vaccines then you need to get out more. doctors were wrong, i was one of them, and last year they tried to forcibly vaccinate you for swine flu which was mild !
" every single medical expert that you have had on the program have always said its a good thing and all the evidense against it has been refuted "
Except of course that peer reviewed paper by my own dad that led to the withdrawl of the original MMR ( urabe ) by SK and French Labs, now part of Glaxo Smith Kline.
Which may just explain why there was a child meningitis epidemic during the 90s, and why the medical establishment recommend vaccination for, basically a rare childhood complaint.
My name is ben goldacre and i am a doctor and so is my daddy michael.
He is a a consultant in public health medicine and in 1990 he discovered that the original MMR ( Pluserix ) vaccine seemed to cause a lot of meningitis, that vaccine was then withdrawn, although it is still licensed and used in africa because its cheaper.
All the experts that have looked at MMR have agreed that it is totally totally safe except of course my Dad who was paid off, by big pharma, for Bennys private education.
my name is ben goldacre and i am a pharmawhore who will never criticise vaccines, i never said one word about the totally untrialed swine flu shot and of
course i will be on holiday for the next two years, now that a story has appeared in the Telegraph saying that it was not so safe after all.
its all due to a bad family habit of not saying anything; i got it from my dad who discovered the MMR Urabe meningitis link, and then got paid off to keep quiet about it all. basically were dickheads.
This clown says he's a doctor.... ha ha ha ha ha h I wouldn't trust you with an alka selzer mate!
How dare you attempt to patronise us in such a jolly manner! We have the faculties to do our own research - whereas you're just a a paid Gibbon!
Two measles deaths in 20 years in all of the UK - and in traveller families - I 'guess teaching kids to wash their hands got through! 30 deaths from MMR adverse reaction however, you Twat!
Mr Goldacre, just because you are a doctor, dosn't mean a damn thing. Doctors and scientists thoughout history have been wrong many times, thats why science keeps trying to find safer pharceuticals without side affects after the fact of many people getting injured and suffering because of BAD SCIENCTIFIC STUDIES!!!!
@camporomero - and the original study that triggered the whole out of proportion, ridiculous MMR scare, is one good example of a BAD SCIENTIFIC STUDY. It's been discredited thoroughly, most of the paper's co-authors have since retracted their support for it, and it is this small scale, horribly flawed study that the anti-vaccers made their "holy scripture". Study after study since, including some large scale, well controlled studies have shown no such risk to MMR.
@ThinkingSkeptically You might be happy with those studies but many people are not and with lots of reason. Science, studies and government are all words that people have lost faith in throughout the years after many pharamceuticals have caused side effects and even death. I have experienced my fair share of side effects, have you? Maybe not and then I can totally understand your faith but understand where other people are coming from too.
@camporomero - it's not a choise whether to be "happy with" a study. It's a matter of FACT whether a study conforms to good scientific standards - like proper sample sizes, proper double blind controls, and many, many controls that determine whether a study's results are likely to be distorted by biases or whether those biases are controlled for in a manner that prevents them from influencing the results. Opinions, unfounded in actual facts about the flaws in the studies are meaningless.
@ThinkingSkeptically I do not beleive these are facts, rather propaganda to make money. They may be of good standard to you but not to me and many people who are waking up. You cannot perform double blinded placebo studies on Alternative Therapy's anyway, because every individual is treated according to lifestyle, other medical issues, diet etc, therefore two people with the same disease will not always be treated the same and that is a thousand year observation and use, not 10 year.
@camporomero - If you don't believe these are facts, then rather than jumping on the "big pharma conspiracy" bandwagon, that's like a religious movement in itself (immune to evidence), why don't you actually do the research and find the research papers yourself, and look at what was done, by whom, and why. I think that'll be enough to collapse your conspiracy theory.
The sad thing is that if there was a conspiracy, it was by the main author of the original paper claiming that MMR causes (cont.
(cont.) autism - look into it, and you'll find that he had a purely financial motive in seeing MMR disfavored.
As for alternative treatments not being testable by double blinded tests, that's BS. You can easily devise a double blind test that takes into account all the personalization of the medicine to individuals you like. Just have the alternative practioner do what he/she does, evaluate the patient, make the cure, and have half her patient randomly receive treatments that were switched...
... secretly from both the patient and the doctor, to a placebo. It's just the matter of a little bit of imagination to set up the test - there's nothing impossible in it.
The line that these alternative modalities aren't "testable" because of this or that is simply excuses after excuses from practitioners who are not willing to see their favorite "treatments" revealed as nothing but placebo.
Finally, who do you think manufactures most "alternative" medicines? It's big pharma! The same...
... companies who's real, properly researched and controlled, evidence based medicine you reject, are the ones who are quite happy to make you junk that's just placebo, and take your money for it.
"Alternative" medicine is big business, and it's a more profitable business than making real medicine, because it is uncontrolled - you can pee in a cup and sell it as liquid gold, and need to satisfy no regulatory body that your "liquid gold" does in fact cure cancer, like you claim.
@ThinkingSkeptically Actually that is misinformation on your part. Here in Australia all therapeutic goods have to pass regulations such as TGA. Also pharmaceuticals are made from plants you idiot. They extract constituents and isolate them. Aspirin comes from Salix Alba which people have been using for thousand of years as a natural pain releif. The worlds oldest medicine is Herbal Medicine, without it pharmaceuticals would not have existed. And placebo has shown to be successful.
@ThinkingSkeptically How long was Thalidomide around before your genius scientiists finally came around to what Dr William McBride had been saying for years. And the government thinks an apology was good enough.
@camporomero - True. In the case of vaccines though, it's unfortunate that people who choose not to vaccinate their children put their whole community at risk, not just their children. Once the level of immunization falls below a treshold level, "herd immunity" collapses, and epidemics can take hold, riskin children who are two young to have had the vaccination, and those few for who'm the vaccination failed to produce a proper immune response. This is the heavy price of missinformation.
@ThinkingSkeptically If the community is immunized then why do they fear the unimmunized? I thought that it stops you from getting the visrus?????????? If you look at statistics the viruses actually decreased before the vaccines. In Africa etc where people die from a simple cold is where the word stats come from.
@camporomero - I don't know WHERE you get your info from, but this is getting ridiculous. First, look up "herd immunity" and actually educate yourself on how vaccines work to provide immunity to communities, not just individuals. A vaccination provides protection for the individual that got it, except in rare cases where the individual's immune system fails to respond to the vaccine properly - they remain vulnerable. Similarly, children too young to have gotten the vaccine are vulnerable (cont.)
@ThinkingSkeptically I think we are never going to agree on this. I think you are missing my point. I do not care what study you have and where you got it from. I personally know people who have been injured by vaccines, I was sold $300 of malaria tablets for South America along with a map of all the infected areas given from the hospital in Sydney and then when I got there I found out that malaria hadn't been in more than half those areas and was pretty much non existent and I had side effects.
@ThinkingSkeptically I I do not immunise my child with vaccines but I recommened most parents need to because the problem today is most children are getting pretty much no nutrition from their sugary, grain fed and junk food diets, therefore it is quite possible they would die from chicken pox. My responsibility is my son, that is why I spend so much time in the kitchen where his health starts.
@camporomero Dear Sir/Madam, no matter how much healthy food you provide your children, it will not help them when rubella comes knocking. Why take the chance? Vaccination is free...
@stpap First of all, vaccinations are not free. You do realise that the govenment uses tax money to purchase vaccines right?. Secondly if someone who eats Macdonalds, processed food, smokes, drinks, dosn't excersise and consumes alot of sugary foods their immune system is weaker than someone who does the opposite. There are also studies of Asians moving to Western countries and developing heart condtions and illnesses which are almost unhurd of in their countries because of their healthy diet.
@stpap Its very ignorant to beleive that diet has nothing to do with the stength of your immune system which fights of disease. I did not say you cannot get rubella, however if you have a healthy lifstyle it isn't a big deal. I have had Measles, Rubella, Chicken Pox and Whooping Cough and even though it was a horrible experience I came out just fine and my immune system got its workout!
@camporomero - (Youtube seems to have lost my comment, so I'm re-writing it) You really don't understand the concept of herd immunity. First, the vast majority of the people who get the vaccine are indeed immunized against the disease - but in rare cases, with some individuals, their immune system fails to respond properly, and the vaccination has no effect on them. They remain vulnerable. Secondly, children too yuong to have yet gotten the vaccine are vulnerable. Third, individuals (cont.)
@camporomero - tried to reply to your comment twise already, both times YouTube's lost the comment. I'll try again a little later, hoping that YouTube gets it's act together meanwhile. Otherwise I'll be writing the same comments time and time again, to perhaps have them all appear with a delay of a few hours. Hope THIS gets through.
possibly, but to strike off a member of the profession for doing some research, whether good or bad, flawed or not, seems a rather kneejerk response, and only leads to cries of witch-hunt and such like.
the most senior person, related to the infamous Dr Wakefield paper was Prof Walker-Smith, and he has not retracted, despite threats from the GMC.
and Walker-Smiths reputation amongst his colleagues is untarnished and saintly despite the GMCs recent opinion.
my name is mark and i am doctor and i get annoyed by patronising colleagues with a cocaine problem, Ben Goldacre at Nerdstock, who acts inappropriately on stage and SAYS absolutely nothing, when the govt and big pharma tried to foist an untrialed, poorly tested, fast tracked, EMEA rubber stamped licenced experimental swine flu vaccine that somehow is supposedly totally totally safe !
@tooyjfwn Doctors, sadly, aren't all scientists. They can be, like Ben Goldacre, but the vast majority of them aren't and they are as prone to fall for quackery and pseudoscience as everybody else. Theres is a good chance that whoever you are talking to may be an ill-informed Doctor and an ant-vax nutter. Pathetic, but that's the state of affairs.
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you're an idiot Goldacre! You shouldn't discredit the thousands of mothers that KNOW it caused autism in their children. I'm sure you won't vaccinate your children. Stick to treating psycho's, that's where you belong!
And since you claim they KNOW it caused autism in their children, they must all be capable of running unbiased trials and tests, so feel free to provide me with the testing methods they used.
I find the whole Ben Goldarce Bad Science craze laughable, hes a psychiatrist!!!! Glass houses and throwing stones springs to mind when he talks about evidence based medicine
Dally I take back my assessment... you are a dupe & a shill
1 in 100 refers to the # of kids with ASD, not vaccine adverse events. The CDC admits 1 in 110 kids are ASD (1 in 70 for boys). Vaccine is the only known correlation
Correlation is not proof, but a coincidence of events. The coincidence of autism/vaccines has not been properly researched
Big Pharma vaccine trials are short term, not looking for autism related effects. You merely deflect with the known under-reporting from VAERS data
Dally says "Not all vaccines share such high rates of adverse reactions [1 in 100]"
He makes 2 mistakes here-
1. 1 in 100 is for ASD. That is recognized everywhere now. whether it's vaccine related remains a question, but it definitely is correlated
2. The serious reactions he refers to are incidents reported to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). CDC & major researchers admit the events in VAERS are VASTLY UNDER-REPORTED because it is voluntary. Your #'s are known to be false
H1N1 Swine flu vaccines were a fast tracked, avian H5N1 prototyped, untrialed, poorly tested, experimental, vaccine that was lauded by the MSM, all of them, and all medical agencys, worldwide, except the Polish, as a Totally Totally Safe vaccine !
which we all know, that is now total bullshit !
please include in any reply, any information on the simpsonwood embargoe !
People like Goldacre, Offit, Brian Deer & others are working on behalf of Big Pharma protecting them from lawsuits for damaging a relatively small percentage of kids who are sensitive to toxins in vaccine
These shills are sociopaths, incapable of associating their actions to the damage they are helping to cause and cover-up OR they are emotionally unaffected by the millions of deaths and injuries they help cause in 1 out of 100 kids (which adds up to millions)
Like it or not, but many antibiotics can be toxic to a VERY few individuals. That does not mean that the antibiotic in general is a bad thing. That does not mean that by combatting conspiracy theories, you are a shill for them.
@ Turbo - Attacking the vaccine link to autism as a conspiracy theory marks you as a dupe or a shill, take your pick
Vaccines are the ONLY obvious correlation to autism available. Big Pharma is putting rhetoric and money behind a genetic link, but that cannot explain the rise in autism incidence in the past 20 years nor can it explain the lack of a proportional number of adult autistics. EVERY genetic theory requires environmental triggers, like vaccines
because i am such a silly billy as to believe everything that the MSM says, even when they tell me to roll my sleeve up, to take a shot in the arm for the economy, that was so badly recieved by the public, because it was untested, that they are now offloading the excess stock in africa, courtesy of tony blair and bill gates !
big pharma have shot themselves so badly in the foot over this one that the will never recover !
@michael0156 - "Adversey affected or dies". Scaremongering the daily mail would be proud of. Please quote objective, independant sources that "1 in 100 children are adversely affected or "dies", which takes into account the fact that that is about the same ratio that you would expect of allergic reactions, anaphylatic shocks etc of ANY medication/treatment. If you're argueing the MMR vaccine should be 100% side effect free to 100% of the population, you are being extreemely disingnuous.
The latest figures of about 1 in 100 are from the CDC. Go argue with them sweetheart
I CLEARLY stated toxins should be removed from vaccine. Some toxic substances are there merely to increase profit for drug company executives/scientists. These are preservatives, adjuvants, endotoxin, DNA fragments and MANY others
Reducing toxic load, reducing multivalents, identifying kids that will adversely react... all are crucial to vaccine safety & protecting infants. Your ilk are the fear mongerers
@michael0156 - The "1 in 100" figure that you confidently keep citing is complete bullshit - for two reasons. Firstly, NOWHERE does the CDC use the figure of 1 in 100 in relation to the risk of "severe adverse reactions or death". What it does say is that "serious alergic reactions occur in LESS THAN 1 in a million doses". Do you want me to cite all the figures, all do you actually want to check it for yourself?
Syrett, another liar interested in hurting children
"1 in 100" refers to autistic spectrum disorder not serious adverse events from vaccines. You either know that & lie or can't comprehend english
Various studies cite ASD as about 1 in 100. That includes the CDC which reports 1 in 110
Another lie you tell Syrett is regarding adverse events caused by vaccine. The CDC admits that VAERS vastly under-reports events. The VAERS is voluntary & unreliable as a true indicator of vaccine injury
Also, when you accuse people of being "interested in harming children", you come across as the self-righteous prick you undoubtedly are. Also, please show me where the CDC says that VAERS "vastly under-report events". Because I wouldnt be at all suprised it its another deliberate out of context misquote
Syrett, since you choose to lie/deflect/deceive about this issue, yes you are deliberately harming kids, but to what end? Why obfuscate the issue of autism/vaccines?
You are a shill sweetheart. A lying sociopath. I don't mince words with intellectual derelicts/sellouts such as you & goldacre
That you claim you can't find where the CDC, or anyone else that you may agree with, states that VAERS is vastly under-reported shows your lack of ability or motivation to find/admit this well known FACT
In viw of the fact that you fell back on your usual paranoid theorist tact i.e. calling anyone whom doesn't agree will a "shill" (Yaawn) - I'll ask again.
What are the "deaths" that you are linking to the figure of 1 in 110, and how do these deaths relate to either MMR or autism?
If you could also throw in some objective evidence too (as opposed to baseless opinion, conjecture, and guesswork), then that would be just peachy, Sweetheart
The 1 in 110 figure relates to prevelence of ASD, indeed. You however, stated that "1 in 110 are severley affected OR DIES"? Ignoring the fact that you opted for this deleberately misleading wording, what exactly are you stating causes death? Maybe I was looking at a different CDC website to you. I was looking at the Centre for Disease control. You were obvioulsy looking at the Conspiracy Dickheads Chatroom. Either learn to quote directly, or learn how to write a coherent sentence.
Also, I have to ask myself why anyone who is trying to construct a case against the saftey of vaccines, would REFUSE to reference a source that would lend credibility to a specific claim i.e. that VAERS "vastly UNDER-report event". Unless of course you know any source you give is completely spurious.
Also, dont think you can shift the onus onto me by making appeals to my intellectual vanity. Serious claims require serious evidence - and you have none. Just paranoid conjecture.
Again I gave you the opportunity to offer any explanation for autism... youoffer nothing
I ask you to express your personal thoughts about 1 in 100 children impaired for life and how to proceed against whatever is causing this tragedy... you offer nothing
I ask for the counter to the facts that Ipost... you offer nothing more than requiring me to prove well known facts you don't care to look up yourself
I ask you to show initiative... you respond with personal attacks again
CDC website quote "Accumulations of events reported to a passive surveillance system do not allow incidence rate calculations due to the generally unknown extent of under-reporting as well as lack of information on the number, age, and gender of people being vaccinated"
Another quote, CDC website "[Vaers] data are subject to limitations of under-reporting... reporting bias, and lack of incidence rates in unvaccinated comparison groups"
Additional problems is the built in bias against vaccines causing adverse events
FDA "the fact that an event... occurs shortly after a vaccine has been administered cannot by itself lead to the conclusion that the event was caused by the vaccine"
and the FDA says "there is also 'over-reporting' since many events reported, and entered in the database, are most likely not attributable to vaccination"
An unbelievable statement from an agency charged with protecting the public interest
Misha again reveals the depths of lying & deception shills sink to supporting Big Pharma's agenda of vaccinating everyone regardless of the PROVED damage vaccinations cause to up to 1%+ of children
Identifying those kids at risk of severe adverse reaction & creating a toxin-free vaccine schedule for them should be the priorities Big Pharma & the FDA should have
Instead both (& shills like Misha) lie & deceive pretending the serious risks of vax are extremely rare
I am sorry my dear ! but i have been qualified for 20 years, but what happened last year with the swine flu debacle, has compromised the integrity of the entire profession for eternity !
it was a medical disgrace of the highest order and the people involved from chan and others, at the WHO, to the entire JCVI, DoH, and andy burnham, health minister should be in prison for 20 yrs.
they anotated an untrialed vaccine with a licence, and verbally called it totally safe without reservation.
the authorities in the uk never once said it was an experimental medicine; i pre recorded every single broadcast on the television and MSM and i have repeatedly watched them all.
they, big pharma,govt,MSM, used the MSM media, and were instructed to be a sychophantic chorus of " its safe, its safe, its safe ".
when there had been no scientific evidence to show it to be so !
colleagues were coerced, mandated, ( USA and Aus ), silenced from MSM, threatened with dismissal for speaking out !
and on top of all that, while all this was going on, our friend, benny, who is in the perfect position in the media, to highlight all of this, said diddly squat !
well now the gloves are off and good members of the profession, who will not be dictated too, by govt, big pharma, the EMEA, WHO, JCVI, SAGE, GMC, CDC, and anyone else you can think of, are out for scalps.
there is no escape from this due to the dogmatic way that THEY all behaved last year, heads are gonna roll.
Although I am not totally Anti vax I do think that some of the ingredients theyve started putting into them are BAZAAR
Mercury Squalene Tween 80 ? WHATS ALL THAT ABOUT?? They are known Toxics I think people have totally lost their respect for Pharmas because of this reason and the fact that they arent always tested!!
i am sorry dear ! but not only have i consulted the EMEA website, which have improperly " licenced " a vaccine H1N1 without proper trials being done !
but i have telephoned 22 times, regarding this matter, in my professional capacity, and have still not recieved an appropriate reply !
" evidense based medicine is fascinating " so we are told ! by benny !
but not as fascinating as benny lack of statements about the safety and efficacy of the swine flu vaccination !
must have been on holiday, visiting his poor relatives, in the middle east, the whole time, with the internet off, his phone off, and The Guardian on shut down ! dont worry about it !
Untrialed? I can personally asure you, as I work in the area, that all licensed swine flu vaccines (ie the one you get at your doctors), have been been through trials. Just like any other seasonal flu vaccines are. Why exactly would you say they haven't?
very good ! then please show me the peer revieved papers related to the safety and efficacy of the swine H1N1 flu vaccine ! no peer reviewed papers means that it is not safe !
i await your reply ! with the papers !
while your at it, if you like, get some info on the simpsonwood embargoe !
dont try and teach your grandmother how to suck eggs my dear !
they have Not repeat NOT been thru drug trials ! if they have then show me the PEER REVIEWED PAPERS !
I have never seen such a disingenuous bastard in my entire life. Using the media to spread his personal view that the media places too much emphasis on peoples personal views. What he is really saying is that if you don't believe what he does then you are an idiot and should be denied any form of voice. To put it more simply he is a Fascist, he would not be out of place in Nazi Germany. If we are going to talk about Medical Science let him admit that it is THE leading cause of death in society!
lepervier66 2 weeks ago
@lepervier66 This isn't "his personal view", this is just the objective truth. Not that somebody like you would know what truth is, if you're so delusionsal you think medicine is the biggest killer today.
DeoMachina 2 weeks ago
@DeoMachina Objective truth!, you are a joke. I guess you believed in WMD as well. The facts are there for anyone to read. Misdiagnosis,mistreatment,mistakes,over prescription,wrong prescription, lethal side effects, lethal infections from surgery, the list goes on, killed more people in this country than any other cause of death. More than all alternative treatments combined. But i guess you believed that smoking didn't cause cancer either, because a doctor was paid to say so. Wake up idiot.
lepervier66 1 week ago
BMJ retracted their claims against Dr. Wakefield... and countless parents are watching their children degress after taking the MMR. Should we trust people who are pushing profits for big business or our lying eyes? Measles can be treated... there is no treatment for Autism. So why should we play russian roulette with our kids when the science is being crooked on all sides?
Peter24601 3 weeks ago
@wyrda222 its a very good point about shock, unfortunately you've looked at it the wrong way around. Vaccinations can cause a lot of stress on children as they are an invasive procedure (I myself used to have a phobia of them). Therefore separating them out into 3 separate vaccines would cause more stress on the patient.
ally5964 3 months ago
I urge all parents to NOT name their girls "Jenny" It causes stupidity
AnonaThetan 3 months ago 2
Ben showed everyone in this clip that the media cannot manage to report good science, only opinions. What do they do just after his report? They say that what he said was a "personal view".
pythor2 3 months ago
Yes it was his view, but you could have done yourself a favour by mentioning that it is also the view of every rational thinking human being on the planet who has skeptically analysed the evidence. Trying desperately not to use the profane words I am currently shouting irrationally at my computer screen...
dramlee01 3 months ago 2
where did he get that sticker "talk nerdy to me." I want it
anticliche321 3 months ago 3
but isn't it just common sense to not give a child anything alien in separate doses?
I wouldn't try three new foods on a child at once.
Autism aside, the shock I've seen induced on a child when trying to deal with the effects of MMR has left with changed behavior like many traumas would. Isn't that just obvious, or am I missing something?!
wyrda222 4 months ago
I have such a crush on this man. He is amazing and I completely agree.
franinconverse 4 months ago
"... Goldacre won a British Science Writers (BSW) award, in 2003, the very year that he began working for the Guardian. At this time, the BSW was funded by MMR manufacturers Glaxo Wellcome and called the Glaxo Wellcome BSW Award... "
WhelkDoctor1 5 months ago
Cowardly comment at the end. That wasn't a personal view, it's factually backed up!
tommyk77 7 months ago 16
@tommyk77 I was thinking that too - clearly it's meant so that any legal action will be directed against Goldacre rather than the network. But on the other hand, they did give him his say, even though it's an argument that makes them look somewhat guilty as well as others. I'd rather see the story with the 'cowardly' disclaimer than not see it.
WalterLiddy 2 months ago
"talk nerdy to me" <3
toniroxxxxx 7 months ago
That wasn't a personal view. That was actually the opposite of a personal view. That was a view based on current science and represents a researched and supported view.
Yet more failures of the media in science reporting.
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fuckmania07 8 months ago
What. A. Legend.
jaffacakesarenice 8 months ago
This guy is AWESOME! I love how so many anti-vax loons are named "Jenny" --Coincidence? Heck naw! Conspiracy! At least, that's what an antivax kook would say if the tables were turned...
ZDoggMD 8 months ago
I love his notebook!!! "Talk nerdy to me"
ForestFay 9 months ago
he looks like that guy from the thick of it
rayblack2004 9 months ago
The media response to this has been ridiculous. Every station and paper is clamoring to vilify Wakefield. One man did not send the world into a blind panic and cause those measles deaths. The media are the ones who hyped it up and sold this bullshit to the world, and now they suddenly switch sides? It's their fault. They spewed sensationalist facts without bothering to check the research. They should be apologizing.
jimmyboyG485 10 months ago
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vaccines are unscientific. cant believe the people dont know this
heightboosting 10 months ago
being a know it all freak on youtube especially when you are wrong is the behaviour of a sociopath.
i know this because i have had many of these conversations with numerous people and eventually they all admit that there are no properly conducted safety trials.
its even in ben goldacres book, granted it is a bit hard to find and you never see him confirm it.
too busy talking shite like you.
trouble is the ordinary public have decided to do a bit of research and guess what.
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
Hey Dr Mark, are you a GP?
radicalatheist 11 months ago
prove it !
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
Pretending to be a doctor on YouTube is utterly pathetic. It's unfortunate that you have no shame, self-respect of sense of honesty. You lying sack of shit.
radicalatheist 11 months ago
@radicalatheist
a bit like you with your peer reviewed papers ! eh !
markscott7777777 11 months ago
still boring !
and no peer reviewed papers yet.
your choice !
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
So it's safe to conclude that you're not a doctor, you're a lying anti-vax twat.
radicalatheist 11 months ago
CHECK OUT RON PAUL ON IMMUNIZATION !
markscott7777777 11 months ago
thoughtless pro-vax nutters are fuck sticks.
trying to make you do something and give up your right to decide whats bests for your kids, like there your daddy, by using un-necessary fear to control you.
may i refer you to some of the commenters below and above.
like this guy metalbd for example, but there are loads of others.
i am a doctor, and i will not give my kids the MMR, there are loads of doctors like me finding the courage to speak out at the vaccination coverup.
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
I'm guessing your doctorate is in madeupshitology or unabletowriteasimplesentencewithoutmakingmyselflooklikeanilliteratefuckwitology.
Seriously, even diploma mills must have their standards. Which academic institution is fucked up enough to award you any sort of qualification?
To be honest I doubt you've even got any stars on your badge.
radicalatheist 11 months ago
@radicalatheist
blah blah blah blah blah ! boring !
its fucking youtube, and all you can come up with in response is a grammar lesson; interestingly to a person from a profession well known for its poor handwriting, odd grammatical notation, specialised and often unusual prose, etc etc etc.
your honesty bears no relevance as you are just punctuating the hidden falsehood that lies at the center of medicine, that is now being splattered all over alternative media for all to see.
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
Ha ha ha, you massive pathetic twat! Firstly, you're typing, so what's handwriting got to do with it? Secondly, you're not using odd grammatical notation or specialised or unusual prose, you're mangling syntax because you can barely string a coherent sentence together. Thirdly, it's more likely that you're an anti-vax twat than a doctor, so do us all a favour and either a) prove you're a doctor or b) apologise for being a desperately pathetic lying waste of space. Your choice!
radicalatheist 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
"i am a doctor, and i will not give my kids the MMR, there are loads of doctors like me finding the courage to speak out at the vaccination coverup."
Heh. Prove that you are a doctor
radicalatheist 11 months ago
@radicalatheist
thanks !
markscott7777777 11 months ago
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@markscott7777777
"i am a doctor, and i will not give my kids the MMR, there are loads of doctors like me finding the courage to speak out at the vaccination coverup"
Seems there has been a mistake on the Medical Register of Australia, you're not listed as a medical practitioner.
Either that or you're a massive lying twat. I think you're a massive lying twat.
Lying twat.
radicalatheist 11 months ago
still waiting on those papers, get back to me when you find them.
you know thoses papers on safety and efficacy that are done by the industry standard randomised double blind study with appropriate statistical and epidemiological analysis.
evidense based medicine without the evidense; dosent that mean that you are full it, by your own admission.
do you have to hyperbolise everything twice cause you know the game is up, acting like a stuttering gibbering buffoon making a futile point.
markscott7777777 11 months ago
And the bold ben goldacre will obviously be making some sort of comment on this book, that has went to No.1, seeing as he is a big critic of big pharma.
Or will he just say nothing like his dad did after he did research that showed that the original MMR increased significantly your chances of getting meningitis.
Weird that, how a guy who reputedly says he is on the patients side against the pharmaceutical companies suddenly has nothing to say or is he a gatekepper who works with evan harris
markscott7777777 11 months ago
and still waiting on those peer reviewed paperson safety and efficacy, so you can show me how its all proved by science.
problem is that everyone has clocked the hidden lie at the centre of vaccination efficacy, hence the book sales.
markscott7777777 11 months ago
and where is your evidence, please show me the peer reveiwed papers on the safety and efficacy of any vaccine that have been done in the last 25 years.
no papers, at this scientific level, with proper statisical analysis means there is no scientific evidence. and that is the problem.
when you add on the fact that the govt, thru the influence of big pharma keep this accurate information, from the public, together with the fact that they deny any serious side effects, tell us something.
markscott7777777 11 months ago
either news people who report on science need a refresher course on science and analyze scientific reports the way a scientist would or the lay public themselves need to understand how science works and read the scientific reports themselves and cut out the media middle men, or both. most science journalists just report what was stated in the conclusions of reports without bothering to check if the reported data do, in fact, support the conclusion. And most lay people do the same.
hardinmichael1981 11 months ago
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Ben Goldacre didn't get his ass kissed by jenny Barnet so he goes crying to the big media. What a cry-baby wanker.
Vot63 1 year ago
and ben goldacre is not a scientist. he is a psychiatrist, well practised in the art of transactional analysis, and medical journalist at the Guardian, where he shares a desk with evan harris the dodgy, expense screwing, ex-MP that represents big pharma . pure coincidence
sadly many people have not caught up with the current events that clearly show that his own father was involved in a vaccine coverup 20 years ago despite his protestations that all experts agree.
dont believe me if you want.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
@markscott7777777
I won't. Because you're a paranoid fantasist without a shred of evidence to back up your smears
radicalatheist 11 months ago
@radicalatheist
i think its super that you are continuing to take dodgy vaccines !
please continue ! never question authority ! everything is ok !
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
I think it's super that you're continuing to make so many barely literate comments on these videos. It's a great demonstration of what a bunch of raving nutjobs you antivaxxers are.
radicalatheist 11 months ago
@radicalatheist
i am not an anti-vaxer and what you have written shows that you are just a facepalming idiot who will not declare publically the reference and peer reviewed papers on safety and efficacy for these vaccines.
come on just name them, they are only the industry standard for safety.
you cant because they dont exist !
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@radicalatheist
While your at it, talk your way out of, " Vaccine Epidemic " and its very interesting status at No 1. on the Amazon health and medical section.
Times nearly up for all of you pro-vaxer, there safe there safe, with no side effects bull shit artists.
No 1. motherfucker !!! . And me thinks it will be their all year.
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
Are you ok Mark? You seem to be becoming slightly deranged.
Perhaps it was teh evul monkey virusss big pharmer put in you'r MMr jabz!!1!!!11!!!
radicalatheist 11 months ago
@radicalatheist
its not me that needs to question their mental status. are you ok.
or are you such a sicko, that what you do is go on youtube and argue black is white and blue is no colour at all, to stoke your huge ego on how super duper clever you are and anyone with a different opinion must be shot down in flames by your infinite intellect and wisdom.
like i said i am not an anti vaxer, i want you to have your shots, best treatment for you in the long run
or is it a short run.
markscott7777777 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
Can't you get anything right? Copied from Amazon:
# Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 64,310 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
* #5 in Books > Health, Family & Lifestyle > Health Issues > Children's Health & Nutrition > Vaccinations & Immunisations
And just for context, virtually every book in that section is anti-vax bullshit.
radicalatheist 11 months ago
@markscott7777777
# Amazon Bestsellers Rank: 64,310 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
* #5 in Books > Health, Family & Lifestyle > Health Issues > Children's Health & Nutrition > Vaccinations & Immunisations
For the record, virtually every other book in that category is antivax bullshit.
radicalatheist 11 months ago
and you should believe these two dumplings, Skaryon and tooyjfwn, below when they show you the peer reviewed papers on " safety " and " efficacy " of the swine flu vaccine, both 2009 monovalent vaccine and this years trivalent.
they cant because the papers do not exist and they know it, and so resort to the traditional facepalming and patronising
until then just keep taking non scientifically proven potions, that have all sorts of dodgy additives in them that will do you no harm at all.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
I think I love you. :)
XieYali 1 year ago
The bar chart with unlabelled axises is somewhat ironic, without context it itself is a bit of a scare tactic.
GrandHighGamer 1 year ago
The thing that was lacking from the 'anti MMR camp seems to be solid research based evidence. The original UK research that the 'anti' camp based their theories on has proven to be fundamentally flawed. The anti camp talk out about an unhealthy relationship between the drug Co. and the medical fraternity, implying also that doctors are bias. The flawed UK research was funded by a group of parents seeking to 'prove' evidence of the MMR autism link for use in future legal action, that is bias.
MrHusky2blue 1 year ago
so you think kids just develop autism? NO
the mmr jab does it. You don't just 'wake up' autistic. You're born with it or you get it From the mmr jab. I know 3 peoples kids who've become autistic after the jab. the goverment even know. they have money for family who suffer. they can't admit and stop giving the jab, they will be sued millions
amen.
UntouchedRaindrops 1 year ago
@UntouchedRaindrops The National Autistic Society's official stand on the MMR jab is that "there is no statistically significant link between the MMR vaccine and autism". If there was a link between the two, don't you think they'd be the first to campaign against it?
MsCarissa88 1 year ago
@MsCarissa88 They get money. They try to cover it up, but how much more proof do you need? The children are happy and healthy and then they have the MMR jab and BOOM. You don't suddenly find yourself autistic
And they said it was safe to begin with so they an't then turn around and say it can cause autism
They'd be sued and never trusted :/
UntouchedRaindrops 1 year ago
@UntouchedRaindrops So you're saying that a CHARITY that is trying to help people with autism and their families is involved in a giant conspiracy to cover up the MMR jab's involvement in causing autism? Ok... That makes no sense. Autism is caused by genetic and environmental factors but there is no statistically significant evidence to link MMR to autism. Stop believing scare mongerers and read a medical journal outlining research done by intelligent and, more importantly, unbiased scientists.
MsCarissa88 1 year ago
@MsCarissa88 I guess you believe everything Doctors tell you , huh? I have a book called 'what doctors don't tell you' You would be VERY surprised. For example did you know that the Rubela part of the MMR jab is grown on an aborted fetus? There are dangers of vaccination and other things in that book that you wuld never even think doctors would do. You just can't trust anyone in this world...
UntouchedRaindrops 1 year ago
@UntouchedRaindrops I don't believe everything doctors tell me. I'd rather look at the evidence myself. (It's why I've studied medicinal chemistry for the past 4 years and plan to continue into medicine) The autism claim was from one paper which was proven to be flawed. I was aware that initial formulations of MMR used embryo lung tissue. They don't use embryos anymore, they use cell lines. That book sounds like a good read. Have you read any of Ben Goldachre's books? 'Bad Science' is fantastic.
MsCarissa88 1 year ago
@MsCarissa88 No i haven't, but i'll look for it in the library (: I won't argue with you anymore, because i don't think either of us is going to agree with the other :L
UntouchedRaindrops 1 year ago
@UntouchedRaindrops Would it really matter if they used an aborted feotus? I mean it's not like they go around forcing women to get abortions so they can steal the feotuses.
I'd rather the dead kids be put to use saving the living kids.
GrandHighGamer 1 year ago 26
@UntouchedRaindrops "I know 3 peoples kids who've become autistic after the jab" the jab is carried out at a time when the symptoms of autism mainly appear. I know someone with 3 autistic children, only the last one had the jab because it didn't exist b4. Statistically there has to be people that show symptons a short while after the jab. But that doesn't mean the jab caused it.!
SOAS007 1 year ago
@UntouchedRaindrops A bird chirped just before I fell and broke my leg. Therefore the bird chirp made me fall and break my leg. Silly right? Correlation does not imply causation.
Tlincali 1 year ago 3
The trouble with the media is that it is driven by two things, a good story and public arguments.
The kind of arguments they are used to dealing with are political ones where in the end it usually comes down to opinion, so they just don't understand the concept of being absolutely wrong.
And when it comes to a good story they make up whatever they can get away with. The only reason they report the football scores correctly is that they wouldn't get away with making them up.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
It baffles me that people still believe the media's bullshit regarding the MMR hoax. Unfortunately there's no reasoning with these people, far as they're concerned they're right and that's it, despite the monumental hoard of evidence supporting the claim that MMR is completely safe
SatsumaForEveryone 1 year ago
my name is ben goldacre and i am a pharmawhore who will never criticise vaccines, i never said one word about the totally untrialed swine flu shot and of
course i will be on holiday for the next two years, now that a story has appeared in the Telegraph saying that it was not so safe after all.
its all due to a bad family habit of not saying anything; i got it from my dad who discovered the MMR Urabe meningitis link, and then got paid off to keep quiet about it all. basically were dickheads.
psychodrilla 1 year ago
@psychodrilla: boy, do you have an accurate handle.
flankspeed 1 year ago
@psychodrilla
plagerism is very naughty but after some thought and cconsideration i have decided to overlook the matter as long as you give benji three rapid about the head or body, as soon as he comes out of hiding.
better still, if you find out where he is hiding, give me a call !
and we can go and burn his house down !
and make his dad watch !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
@markscott7777777
its not plagerism when its placed on a public forum with no copyright notice lol
i'm claiming fair use under for purpose of education lol
psychodrilla 1 year ago
@psychodrilla er ... NOTICE
the above is not my own work and is used for entertainment and educational purposes lol
psychodrilla 1 year ago
@psychodrilla haha quality
jondavidgriffin 2 months ago
Those big pharma companies can make more money off homeopathic "remedies"...Just get something like caffeine, dilute it with water, shuka shuka shuka shake it baby....Tadaaa, you have yourself a homeopathic remedy in which the components are dirt cheap and you don't have to spend billions on research. Why bother with inefficient profit brings like vaccines when homeopathic "medicine" would give a way better profit margin :) Oh and you can escape those pesky govt regulations.
TurboDally 1 year ago
"my name is ben goldacre and i am a pharmawhore who will never criticise vaccines"
For a pharmawhore he does seem to piss off the pharma companies alot with the regulations. D'oh!
TurboDally 1 year ago
@TurboDally
" APPEARS " to piss off the pharma companies ! D'Oh !!!
and i quote " every single expert that you have had on has always said that the MMR is a good thing " !
except his own dad, Dr Michael Goldacre, Public Health Consultant who did a peer reviewed paper condemning the original MMR pluserix, a vaccine which is still available in Africa, thru UNESCO and WHO.
ever wondered why, in the 90's we had all those outbreaks of meningitis.
wakey wakey !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
And also why benny is on twitter getting his knickers all in a twist, because finally after twenty years, the shit has hit the fan for the medical establishment and all its sychophantic chorus of so called experts, like ben, liam donaldson, prof oxford, prof gordon duff, roy anderson and others that said you will die if you dont take the swine flu shot that was tested on the UK public, as guinea pigs without their FULL INFORMED CONSENT; get a good lawyer, doctors that took part in that fiasco.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
@markscott7777777 They are experts. He is a doctor. A doctor who goes to extraordinary lengths to make sure his reasearch, findings and analysis are supported by evidence. when he does make these conclusions then he's more than happy to give the links to the original data so that, if you do disagree with him, you can go to the source yourself and come to your own conclusions.
davidheffron 1 year ago
@davidheffron
harold shipman was a doctor too, so was crippen !
and ben is an idiot who cant admit that he is wrong !
his own dad said that the original MMR Pluserix is not safe
and then it was withdrawn !
but ben is still in denial about this and INSISTS that all experts
say that it is safe ! ( except his dad of course )
last time i checked that was called being a total liar and a dickhead and ben is not a vaccine expert , he is a psychiatrist and media gatekeeper !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
@davidheffron
and who isnt a doctor !
i was recently told that i required MMR by a health board pen pushing functionary, for safety in the work place, under penalty of dismissal, even though i have had all three diseases as a child, and therefore cannot contract them !
if you wish to think that there is not problem with vaccines then you need to get out more. doctors were wrong, i was one of them, and last year they tried to forcibly vaccinate you for swine flu which was mild !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
" every single medical expert that you have had on the program have always said its a good thing and all the evidense against it has been refuted "
Except of course that peer reviewed paper by my own dad that led to the withdrawl of the original MMR ( urabe ) by SK and French Labs, now part of Glaxo Smith Kline.
Which may just explain why there was a child meningitis epidemic during the 90s, and why the medical establishment recommend vaccination for, basically a rare childhood complaint.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
My name is ben goldacre and i am a doctor and so is my daddy michael.
He is a a consultant in public health medicine and in 1990 he discovered that the original MMR ( Pluserix ) vaccine seemed to cause a lot of meningitis, that vaccine was then withdrawn, although it is still licensed and used in africa because its cheaper.
All the experts that have looked at MMR have agreed that it is totally totally safe except of course my Dad who was paid off, by big pharma, for Bennys private education.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
Talk nerdy to me :)
darrensl1 1 year ago
antivax nutters are fuck sticks. may i refer you to some of the commenters below. Like that guy for example.
metalebd 1 year ago 30
my name is ben goldacre and i am a pharmawhore who will never criticise vaccines, i never said one word about the totally untrialed swine flu shot and of
course i will be on holiday for the next two years, now that a story has appeared in the Telegraph saying that it was not so safe after all.
its all due to a bad family habit of not saying anything; i got it from my dad who discovered the MMR Urabe meningitis link, and then got paid off to keep quiet about it all. basically were dickheads.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
This clown says he's a doctor.... ha ha ha ha ha h I wouldn't trust you with an alka selzer mate!
How dare you attempt to patronise us in such a jolly manner! We have the faculties to do our own research - whereas you're just a a paid Gibbon!
Two measles deaths in 20 years in all of the UK - and in traveller families - I 'guess teaching kids to wash their hands got through! 30 deaths from MMR adverse reaction however, you Twat!
rangumai 1 year ago
Oh the irony that they show a video criticizing the way the media deals with MMR and start it by saying "it's his opinion".
Serpent0fEden 1 year ago
Mr Goldacre, just because you are a doctor, dosn't mean a damn thing. Doctors and scientists thoughout history have been wrong many times, thats why science keeps trying to find safer pharceuticals without side affects after the fact of many people getting injured and suffering because of BAD SCIENCTIFIC STUDIES!!!!
camporomero 1 year ago
@camporomero - and the original study that triggered the whole out of proportion, ridiculous MMR scare, is one good example of a BAD SCIENTIFIC STUDY. It's been discredited thoroughly, most of the paper's co-authors have since retracted their support for it, and it is this small scale, horribly flawed study that the anti-vaccers made their "holy scripture". Study after study since, including some large scale, well controlled studies have shown no such risk to MMR.
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago 2
@ThinkingSkeptically You might be happy with those studies but many people are not and with lots of reason. Science, studies and government are all words that people have lost faith in throughout the years after many pharamceuticals have caused side effects and even death. I have experienced my fair share of side effects, have you? Maybe not and then I can totally understand your faith but understand where other people are coming from too.
camporomero 1 year ago
@camporomero - it's not a choise whether to be "happy with" a study. It's a matter of FACT whether a study conforms to good scientific standards - like proper sample sizes, proper double blind controls, and many, many controls that determine whether a study's results are likely to be distorted by biases or whether those biases are controlled for in a manner that prevents them from influencing the results. Opinions, unfounded in actual facts about the flaws in the studies are meaningless.
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically I do not beleive these are facts, rather propaganda to make money. They may be of good standard to you but not to me and many people who are waking up. You cannot perform double blinded placebo studies on Alternative Therapy's anyway, because every individual is treated according to lifestyle, other medical issues, diet etc, therefore two people with the same disease will not always be treated the same and that is a thousand year observation and use, not 10 year.
camporomero 1 year ago
@camporomero - If you don't believe these are facts, then rather than jumping on the "big pharma conspiracy" bandwagon, that's like a religious movement in itself (immune to evidence), why don't you actually do the research and find the research papers yourself, and look at what was done, by whom, and why. I think that'll be enough to collapse your conspiracy theory.
The sad thing is that if there was a conspiracy, it was by the main author of the original paper claiming that MMR causes (cont.
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
(cont.) autism - look into it, and you'll find that he had a purely financial motive in seeing MMR disfavored.
As for alternative treatments not being testable by double blinded tests, that's BS. You can easily devise a double blind test that takes into account all the personalization of the medicine to individuals you like. Just have the alternative practioner do what he/she does, evaluate the patient, make the cure, and have half her patient randomly receive treatments that were switched...
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
... secretly from both the patient and the doctor, to a placebo. It's just the matter of a little bit of imagination to set up the test - there's nothing impossible in it.
The line that these alternative modalities aren't "testable" because of this or that is simply excuses after excuses from practitioners who are not willing to see their favorite "treatments" revealed as nothing but placebo.
Finally, who do you think manufactures most "alternative" medicines? It's big pharma! The same...
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
... companies who's real, properly researched and controlled, evidence based medicine you reject, are the ones who are quite happy to make you junk that's just placebo, and take your money for it.
"Alternative" medicine is big business, and it's a more profitable business than making real medicine, because it is uncontrolled - you can pee in a cup and sell it as liquid gold, and need to satisfy no regulatory body that your "liquid gold" does in fact cure cancer, like you claim.
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically Actually that is misinformation on your part. Here in Australia all therapeutic goods have to pass regulations such as TGA. Also pharmaceuticals are made from plants you idiot. They extract constituents and isolate them. Aspirin comes from Salix Alba which people have been using for thousand of years as a natural pain releif. The worlds oldest medicine is Herbal Medicine, without it pharmaceuticals would not have existed. And placebo has shown to be successful.
camporomero 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically How long was Thalidomide around before your genius scientiists finally came around to what Dr William McBride had been saying for years. And the government thinks an apology was good enough.
camporomero 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically Also, we are free people and until we remain free we do havea choice.
camporomero 1 year ago
@camporomero - True. In the case of vaccines though, it's unfortunate that people who choose not to vaccinate their children put their whole community at risk, not just their children. Once the level of immunization falls below a treshold level, "herd immunity" collapses, and epidemics can take hold, riskin children who are two young to have had the vaccination, and those few for who'm the vaccination failed to produce a proper immune response. This is the heavy price of missinformation.
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically If the community is immunized then why do they fear the unimmunized? I thought that it stops you from getting the visrus?????????? If you look at statistics the viruses actually decreased before the vaccines. In Africa etc where people die from a simple cold is where the word stats come from.
camporomero 1 year ago
@camporomero - I don't know WHERE you get your info from, but this is getting ridiculous. First, look up "herd immunity" and actually educate yourself on how vaccines work to provide immunity to communities, not just individuals. A vaccination provides protection for the individual that got it, except in rare cases where the individual's immune system fails to respond to the vaccine properly - they remain vulnerable. Similarly, children too young to have gotten the vaccine are vulnerable (cont.)
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically I think we are never going to agree on this. I think you are missing my point. I do not care what study you have and where you got it from. I personally know people who have been injured by vaccines, I was sold $300 of malaria tablets for South America along with a map of all the infected areas given from the hospital in Sydney and then when I got there I found out that malaria hadn't been in more than half those areas and was pretty much non existent and I had side effects.
camporomero 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically I I do not immunise my child with vaccines but I recommened most parents need to because the problem today is most children are getting pretty much no nutrition from their sugary, grain fed and junk food diets, therefore it is quite possible they would die from chicken pox. My responsibility is my son, that is why I spend so much time in the kitchen where his health starts.
camporomero 1 year ago
@camporomero Dear Sir/Madam, no matter how much healthy food you provide your children, it will not help them when rubella comes knocking. Why take the chance? Vaccination is free...
stpap 1 year ago
@stpap First of all, vaccinations are not free. You do realise that the govenment uses tax money to purchase vaccines right?. Secondly if someone who eats Macdonalds, processed food, smokes, drinks, dosn't excersise and consumes alot of sugary foods their immune system is weaker than someone who does the opposite. There are also studies of Asians moving to Western countries and developing heart condtions and illnesses which are almost unhurd of in their countries because of their healthy diet.
camporomero 1 year ago
@stpap Its very ignorant to beleive that diet has nothing to do with the stength of your immune system which fights of disease. I did not say you cannot get rubella, however if you have a healthy lifstyle it isn't a big deal. I have had Measles, Rubella, Chicken Pox and Whooping Cough and even though it was a horrible experience I came out just fine and my immune system got its workout!
camporomero 1 year ago
@camporomero - (Youtube seems to have lost my comment, so I'm re-writing it) You really don't understand the concept of herd immunity. First, the vast majority of the people who get the vaccine are indeed immunized against the disease - but in rare cases, with some individuals, their immune system fails to respond properly, and the vaccination has no effect on them. They remain vulnerable. Secondly, children too yuong to have yet gotten the vaccine are vulnerable. Third, individuals (cont.)
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
@camporomero - tried to reply to your comment twise already, both times YouTube's lost the comment. I'll try again a little later, hoping that YouTube gets it's act together meanwhile. Otherwise I'll be writing the same comments time and time again, to perhaps have them all appear with a delay of a few hours. Hope THIS gets through.
ThinkingSkeptically 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically
this is not mis-information.
after last years exaggerated swine flu debacle and other things
like child self certifying for Gardasil at age 12, and mandatory and
coersive stuctures being put into many countries health care systems.
please explain that if herd immunity collapses with only 10/15% of the
population refusing then we are in serious trouble.
i am qualified and very interested to hear your opinion.
some big fibs were told during swine flu.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
@ThinkingSkeptically
possibly, but to strike off a member of the profession for doing some research, whether good or bad, flawed or not, seems a rather kneejerk response, and only leads to cries of witch-hunt and such like.
the most senior person, related to the infamous Dr Wakefield paper was Prof Walker-Smith, and he has not retracted, despite threats from the GMC.
and Walker-Smiths reputation amongst his colleagues is untarnished and saintly despite the GMCs recent opinion.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
This clip really attracts the trolls! Ben must be doing something right if he is stirring up so many 4th quartiles.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
my name is mark and i am doctor and i get annoyed by patronising colleagues with a cocaine problem, Ben Goldacre at Nerdstock, who acts inappropriately on stage and SAYS absolutely nothing, when the govt and big pharma tried to foist an untrialed, poorly tested, fast tracked, EMEA rubber stamped licenced experimental swine flu vaccine that somehow is supposedly totally totally safe !
peer reveiwed papers please ben !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
@markscott7777777 If you're a doctor (as opposed to a rather transparent anti-vax nutter) then i'm the queen of Sheba.
tooyjfwn 1 year ago
@tooyjfwn Doctors, sadly, aren't all scientists. They can be, like Ben Goldacre, but the vast majority of them aren't and they are as prone to fall for quackery and pseudoscience as everybody else. Theres is a good chance that whoever you are talking to may be an ill-informed Doctor and an ant-vax nutter. Pathetic, but that's the state of affairs.
Skaryon 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
you're an idiot Goldacre! You shouldn't discredit the thousands of mothers that KNOW it caused autism in their children. I'm sure you won't vaccinate your children. Stick to treating psycho's, that's where you belong!
heatherroses 1 year ago
@heatherroses
By thousands you mean...12?
mkesrwsn 1 year ago
@mkesrwsn ha! 12? I personally know many more than 12. You're an idiot.
heatherroses 1 year ago
@heatherroses
Ok, how many do you know?
And since you claim they KNOW it caused autism in their children, they must all be capable of running unbiased trials and tests, so feel free to provide me with the testing methods they used.
mkesrwsn 1 year ago
I find the whole Ben Goldarce Bad Science craze laughable, hes a psychiatrist!!!! Glass houses and throwing stones springs to mind when he talks about evidence based medicine
Clumpygreen 1 year ago
@Clumpygreen what is the problem you see with a psychiatrist talking about evidence based medicine?
steadyeddyuk 1 year ago
My autistic son went into a coma after his MMR vaccine and was very ill he had projectile vomiting a raging fever, he was in a coma for a few weeks.
florrirose 1 year ago
Regarding your "1 in 100" claim, not all vaccines share such high rates of adverse reactions.
Serious/potentially life threatening reactions:
Anthrax vac: less than once in 100,000 doses
DTP vac: 1 in a million
JE-VAX: 1 in 400
MMR vac: 1 in a million
Smallpox vacc: 1 in 4000
Moderate reactions include headaches, swelling around the injection area. Hardly traumatising...
TurboDally 1 year ago
Dally I take back my assessment... you are a dupe & a shill
1 in 100 refers to the # of kids with ASD, not vaccine adverse events. The CDC admits 1 in 110 kids are ASD (1 in 70 for boys). Vaccine is the only known correlation
Correlation is not proof, but a coincidence of events. The coincidence of autism/vaccines has not been properly researched
Big Pharma vaccine trials are short term, not looking for autism related effects. You merely deflect with the known under-reporting from VAERS data
michael0156 1 year ago
Dally says "Not all vaccines share such high rates of adverse reactions [1 in 100]"
He makes 2 mistakes here-
1. 1 in 100 is for ASD. That is recognized everywhere now. whether it's vaccine related remains a question, but it definitely is correlated
2. The serious reactions he refers to are incidents reported to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). CDC & major researchers admit the events in VAERS are VASTLY UNDER-REPORTED because it is voluntary. Your #'s are known to be false
michael0156 1 year ago
Anti-Vax has this delusion that dying of painful infectious and preventable diseases is so much better than being bloody autistic.
PrismSong 1 year ago
i am pro vaccination !
its the product that there is a problem with !
and we all know that now !
H1N1 Swine flu vaccines were a fast tracked, avian H5N1 prototyped, untrialed, poorly tested, experimental, vaccine that was lauded by the MSM, all of them, and all medical agencys, worldwide, except the Polish, as a Totally Totally Safe vaccine !
which we all know, that is now total bullshit !
please include in any reply, any information on the simpsonwood embargoe !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
time will tell !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
People like Goldacre, Offit, Brian Deer & others are working on behalf of Big Pharma protecting them from lawsuits for damaging a relatively small percentage of kids who are sensitive to toxins in vaccine
These shills are sociopaths, incapable of associating their actions to the damage they are helping to cause and cover-up OR they are emotionally unaffected by the millions of deaths and injuries they help cause in 1 out of 100 kids (which adds up to millions)
Money is more important to them
michael0156 1 year ago
Like it or not, but many antibiotics can be toxic to a VERY few individuals. That does not mean that the antibiotic in general is a bad thing. That does not mean that by combatting conspiracy theories, you are a shill for them.
TurboDally 1 year ago
@ Turbo - Attacking the vaccine link to autism as a conspiracy theory marks you as a dupe or a shill, take your pick
Vaccines are the ONLY obvious correlation to autism available. Big Pharma is putting rhetoric and money behind a genetic link, but that cannot explain the rise in autism incidence in the past 20 years nor can it explain the lack of a proportional number of adult autistics. EVERY genetic theory requires environmental triggers, like vaccines
Got a better theory? Where is it?
michael0156 1 year ago
"Attacking the vaccine link to autism as a conspiracy theory marks you as a dupe or a shill, take your pick"
Not a dupe or a shill, someone who prefers evidence over anecdote.
"Vaccines are the ONLY obvious correlation to autism available."
Fail. No link has been established, I suggest you look at what the doc did in order to make it seem that MMR caused autism.
TurboDally 1 year ago
Dally says "Fail. No link has been established"
I wonder what Dally is saying?
Is he saying there is no correlation between increased vaccine schedule & vaccine toxins that parallels the rise in ASD? Then he is a liar
Is he saying vaccines are not proved to cause autism? That statement is true, but not relevant to correlation
Correlation is not proof, just a recognition of a possible/probable causal relationship
Dally is ignorant of this fact or deliberately deflects/lies
michael0156 1 year ago
marktimmer2212
i took the shot and i am an idiot, OKAY !
because i am such a silly billy as to believe everything that the MSM says, even when they tell me to roll my sleeve up, to take a shot in the arm for the economy, that was so badly recieved by the public, because it was untested, that they are now offloading the excess stock in africa, courtesy of tony blair and bill gates !
big pharma have shot themselves so badly in the foot over this one that the will never recover !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
i took the shot and i am OKAY OKAY
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marktimmer2212 1 year ago
1 out of 100 kids is severely adversely affected or dies & has to be identified , then protected from the vaccines that are supposed to protect them
Vaccines contain a LOT of toxic substances that should never be injected eveb into children who won't suffer long term disabilities
We need to make toxin-free vaccines & identify and help those kids & families we have injured
Claiming you are okay means nothing. You & 98 others are fine. Protecting that 1 in a 100 is what we have to do
michael0156 1 year ago
@michael0156 - "Adversey affected or dies". Scaremongering the daily mail would be proud of. Please quote objective, independant sources that "1 in 100 children are adversely affected or "dies", which takes into account the fact that that is about the same ratio that you would expect of allergic reactions, anaphylatic shocks etc of ANY medication/treatment. If you're argueing the MMR vaccine should be 100% side effect free to 100% of the population, you are being extreemely disingnuous.
MrSyrett 1 year ago 4
The latest figures of about 1 in 100 are from the CDC. Go argue with them sweetheart
I CLEARLY stated toxins should be removed from vaccine. Some toxic substances are there merely to increase profit for drug company executives/scientists. These are preservatives, adjuvants, endotoxin, DNA fragments and MANY others
Reducing toxic load, reducing multivalents, identifying kids that will adversely react... all are crucial to vaccine safety & protecting infants. Your ilk are the fear mongerers
michael0156 1 year ago
@michael0156 - The "1 in 100" figure that you confidently keep citing is complete bullshit - for two reasons. Firstly, NOWHERE does the CDC use the figure of 1 in 100 in relation to the risk of "severe adverse reactions or death". What it does say is that "serious alergic reactions occur in LESS THAN 1 in a million doses". Do you want me to cite all the figures, all do you actually want to check it for yourself?
MrSyrett 1 year ago 2
Syrett, another liar interested in hurting children
"1 in 100" refers to autistic spectrum disorder not serious adverse events from vaccines. You either know that & lie or can't comprehend english
Various studies cite ASD as about 1 in 100. That includes the CDC which reports 1 in 110
Another lie you tell Syrett is regarding adverse events caused by vaccine. The CDC admits that VAERS vastly under-reports events. The VAERS is voluntary & unreliable as a true indicator of vaccine injury
michael0156 1 year ago
Also, when you accuse people of being "interested in harming children", you come across as the self-righteous prick you undoubtedly are. Also, please show me where the CDC says that VAERS "vastly under-report events". Because I wouldnt be at all suprised it its another deliberate out of context misquote
MrSyrett 1 year ago
Syrett, since you choose to lie/deflect/deceive about this issue, yes you are deliberately harming kids, but to what end? Why obfuscate the issue of autism/vaccines?
You are a shill sweetheart. A lying sociopath. I don't mince words with intellectual derelicts/sellouts such as you & goldacre
That you claim you can't find where the CDC, or anyone else that you may agree with, states that VAERS is vastly under-reported shows your lack of ability or motivation to find/admit this well known FACT
michael0156 1 year ago
In viw of the fact that you fell back on your usual paranoid theorist tact i.e. calling anyone whom doesn't agree will a "shill" (Yaawn) - I'll ask again.
What are the "deaths" that you are linking to the figure of 1 in 110, and how do these deaths relate to either MMR or autism?
If you could also throw in some objective evidence too (as opposed to baseless opinion, conjecture, and guesswork), then that would be just peachy, Sweetheart
MrSyrett 1 year ago
Personal attacks & no evidence I am wrong marks you as a shill
You continue to refuse to take a position
Are you saying NO children die from vaccinations?
I say in addition to the children we injure with vaccinations by causing autism we also have other side effects which include deaths
Vaccine induced death is another FACT that cannot be denied by anyone. The FDA/CDC recognize SOME autism is vaccine linked
They deny vaccine causes autism while admitting no one knows autism's cause
michael0156 1 year ago
@michael0156 I got my numbers from the CDC, isn't that the same place you get your numbers from :P
TurboDally 1 year ago
The 1 in 110 figure relates to prevelence of ASD, indeed. You however, stated that "1 in 110 are severley affected OR DIES"? Ignoring the fact that you opted for this deleberately misleading wording, what exactly are you stating causes death? Maybe I was looking at a different CDC website to you. I was looking at the Centre for Disease control. You were obvioulsy looking at the Conspiracy Dickheads Chatroom. Either learn to quote directly, or learn how to write a coherent sentence.
MrSyrett 1 year ago
Obscene baseless childish personal insults & no substance, typical of a shill without intellectual ammo
Where's your counter?
What causes autism?
What's your thoughts on where to proceed?
Why do you apparently believe vaccines don't cause autism or a condition that leads to autism?
Let's show a little initiative there Syrett, a little reasoning power
Let's see your thoughts on autism's causes, vaccine toxins, antigen production, infant immune system reaction variations to live vaccine.
michael0156 1 year ago
Also, I have to ask myself why anyone who is trying to construct a case against the saftey of vaccines, would REFUSE to reference a source that would lend credibility to a specific claim i.e. that VAERS "vastly UNDER-report event". Unless of course you know any source you give is completely spurious.
Also, dont think you can shift the onus onto me by making appeals to my intellectual vanity. Serious claims require serious evidence - and you have none. Just paranoid conjecture.
MrSyrett 1 year ago 22
Again I gave you the opportunity to offer any explanation for autism... youoffer nothing
I ask you to express your personal thoughts about 1 in 100 children impaired for life and how to proceed against whatever is causing this tragedy... you offer nothing
I ask for the counter to the facts that Ipost... you offer nothing more than requiring me to prove well known facts you don't care to look up yourself
I ask you to show initiative... you respond with personal attacks again
You are a shill
michael0156 1 year ago
CDC website quote "Accumulations of events reported to a passive surveillance system do not allow incidence rate calculations due to the generally unknown extent of under-reporting as well as lack of information on the number, age, and gender of people being vaccinated"
Another quote, CDC website "[Vaers] data are subject to limitations of under-reporting... reporting bias, and lack of incidence rates in unvaccinated comparison groups"
VAERS is a complete waste of time and money
michael0156 1 year ago
Additional problems is the built in bias against vaccines causing adverse events
FDA "the fact that an event... occurs shortly after a vaccine has been administered cannot by itself lead to the conclusion that the event was caused by the vaccine"
and the FDA says "there is also 'over-reporting' since many events reported, and entered in the database, are most likely not attributable to vaccination"
An unbelievable statement from an agency charged with protecting the public interest
michael0156 1 year ago
Before you get your child vaccinated find out about how the vaccine is made and what is actually in the vaccine.
Don't ask health visitors as they will not know.
Look on the internet- Vaccine Dangers
Remember it is YOU that is the parent.
Good luck.
91177info 1 year ago
Never trust governments or big businesses... That includes "health care". You can keep yourself healthy without relying on a doctor.
KevinCali24 1 year ago
Misha again reveals the depths of lying & deception shills sink to supporting Big Pharma's agenda of vaccinating everyone regardless of the PROVED damage vaccinations cause to up to 1%+ of children
Identifying those kids at risk of severe adverse reaction & creating a toxin-free vaccine schedule for them should be the priorities Big Pharma & the FDA should have
Instead both (& shills like Misha) lie & deceive pretending the serious risks of vax are extremely rare
michael0156 1 year ago
I am sorry my dear ! but i have been qualified for 20 years, but what happened last year with the swine flu debacle, has compromised the integrity of the entire profession for eternity !
it was a medical disgrace of the highest order and the people involved from chan and others, at the WHO, to the entire JCVI, DoH, and andy burnham, health minister should be in prison for 20 yrs.
they anotated an untrialed vaccine with a licence, and verbally called it totally safe without reservation.
markscott7777777 1 year ago 2
the authorities in the uk never once said it was an experimental medicine; i pre recorded every single broadcast on the television and MSM and i have repeatedly watched them all.
they, big pharma,govt,MSM, used the MSM media, and were instructed to be a sychophantic chorus of " its safe, its safe, its safe ".
when there had been no scientific evidence to show it to be so !
colleagues were coerced, mandated, ( USA and Aus ), silenced from MSM, threatened with dismissal for speaking out !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
and on top of all that, while all this was going on, our friend, benny, who is in the perfect position in the media, to highlight all of this, said diddly squat !
well now the gloves are off and good members of the profession, who will not be dictated too, by govt, big pharma, the EMEA, WHO, JCVI, SAGE, GMC, CDC, and anyone else you can think of, are out for scalps.
there is no escape from this due to the dogmatic way that THEY all behaved last year, heads are gonna roll.
markscott7777777 1 year ago
Although I am not totally Anti vax I do think that some of the ingredients theyve started putting into them are BAZAAR
Mercury Squalene Tween 80 ? WHATS ALL THAT ABOUT?? They are known Toxics I think people have totally lost their respect for Pharmas because of this reason and the fact that they arent always tested!!
UkTruthSeeker2009 1 year ago
i am sorry dear ! but not only have i consulted the EMEA website, which have improperly " licenced " a vaccine H1N1 without proper trials being done !
but i have telephoned 22 times, regarding this matter, in my professional capacity, and have still not recieved an appropriate reply !
hence ! why there has been such a hullaballoo !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
" evidense based medicine is fascinating " so we are told ! by benny !
but not as fascinating as benny lack of statements about the safety and efficacy of the swine flu vaccination !
must have been on holiday, visiting his poor relatives, in the middle east, the whole time, with the internet off, his phone off, and The Guardian on shut down ! dont worry about it !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
If you want to know the truth, just say your truth, and keep saying it.
" ben goldacre states clearly that Big Pharma have been involved in coverups "
so why, given his media connections, has he not said a word about the untrialed, and it is untrialed, swine flu vaccines !
markscott7777777 1 year ago
Untrialed? I can personally asure you, as I work in the area, that all licensed swine flu vaccines (ie the one you get at your doctors), have been been through trials. Just like any other seasonal flu vaccines are. Why exactly would you say they haven't?
thandeka16 1 year ago
very good ! then please show me the peer revieved papers related to the safety and efficacy of the swine H1N1 flu vaccine ! no peer reviewed papers means that it is not safe !
i await your reply ! with the papers !
while your at it, if you like, get some info on the simpsonwood embargoe !
dont try and teach your grandmother how to suck eggs my dear !
they have Not repeat NOT been thru drug trials ! if they have then show me the PEER REVIEWED PAPERS !
they dont exist !
markscott7777777 1 year ago