to say that religion was the sole reason for 9/11 is so simplistic, i would argue it is simply wrong. because while it may have been the sole reason for the people on the actual planes, it certainly wasn't the sole reason for the planning of it. the correlation between how much certain countries ravage the middle east and whether they are attacked is just too high for it to be plausible that the main motivator would not be political.
The existence of God is not even a worthy argument. I was raised Christian. I became an Atheist when I actually read the Bible. I didn't have to spend all my energy defending it and justifying it's cruelty. I was able to read it without forcing myself to agree. There is no way of justifying, metaphorically or contextually smashing a baby against a rock(psalms 137). Arguing is a pure waste of time. Just the same I wouldn't argue with someone who thought the Moon was made of cheese.
JESUS CHRIST, HIS CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL-APOSTOLIC CHURCH, SACRAMENTS, THE BIBLE, MIRACLES, HEALINGS, ST. MARY APPARITIONS, MESSAGES FROM HEAVEN, SIGNS IN 2011 ARE NOT A MYTHOLOGY BUT THE REALITY !!!
First of all you have to REALLY understand that "belief" and "knowledge" are different things.
Although you can argue about religious aspects with logic or maybe even historical proof, you can NOT argue about the existence of a creator.
Because nobody knows if there is or isn`t a creator.
Most religous people take every written sentence for the word of god and when you confront them with logic they feel like you`re attacking their god and there lies the problem my friend.
since i don't believe in any god and in any religion my actions my moral and so on have foundations in this simple fact i want to coexist in peace with the rest of the humans in this planet in decent way and in peace, one more think since i am not going to the church i don't have a escape goat of confession on sundays every action god or bad are register in my brain and is no forgiveness for the bad one and no price for good one is simple i love peace and respect the right of the other people
@Genericdruid Did you know Hitler also shit himself, wore diapers and couldn't tie his shoes! He was also illiteratebeing unable to read and write too. He was 3 years old at one time too. Two years after that he was 5.
Taking history out of context is easy to do and intellectually dishonest. At what point in his life was he Catholic is more important than just saying he was. This is the kind of fact and word twisting with statements like your + the vid is deceptive for the ignorant.
@BTCforlife What Christian creates a prayer in their own name to be worshipped and idolized? The Hitler youth camps did this in Hitler's name! Doesn't sound very Catholic does it? He was a paganist at the end and pro-atheist. There were plans to go after Christianity but the plans was to wait until after the war when power would be consolidated. That's history -
It can be debatable if Hitler was an atheist or not at the end of his life, but it is quite clear he was anti-Christian.
@BTCforlife What are you talking about fallacies?!?! It's hisorical record- it's evidence. Are you able to answer the questions I asked? Can you support your accusations of pride? At this point your showing your true colors as a troll by offering nothing but ad hominem.
As I said before in previous comments, taking things out of context to serve for a self-confirming bias and ignoring evidence is just ignorance. You can't change history- that's what happened, like it or not.
The "context" that you are trying to create is "he couldn't possibly be a christian. Look at what he did!!" which is a fallacy. All it takes to be christian is to accept that jesus died for you and was resurrected.
Hitler believed that.
He was a catholic who had the support of the vatican.
@BTCforlife And you had this discussion with him of what he beleived in? You never answered the questions I askes in an earlier post :-) You are such a troll. Twisting words for a false claim in quotations- who are you quoting anyway? They are not my words and they are not in my posts.
You offer nothing but opinions backed by nothing. If your going to troll at least try to have some wit to your comments if your not going to have any substance. Pathetic and willfully ignorant of facts
@BTCforlife (1/2) Where did you get your quote from? The troll comment is calling you out for what you out by you obvious tactic. You still have not answered any of the questions I've asked. You have provided nothing but negative comments and have not proven anything to be false.
Also I am not presenting an arguement- I am presenting evidence points out false statements in the video to mischaracterize history. Your choosing to willfully ignore it because it contradicts your bias.
@BTCforlife (2/2) According to the leader of the Hitler youth: " "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible". Meaning, they couldn't directly attack the church until they had secured enough power. Both Hitler and Mussolini held this position.
Your self-confirming bias will probably cause you to be dissmissive despite the facts. - Can you prove me wrong? ;-)
@BTCforlife "Gott Mitt Uns" - 3 words without any context. Maybe you should read about it. It does not contradict anything I have said.
Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity." It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian."
@joelarnda Just because those dictators didn't like the concept of another power legaly controlling their country doesen't make them "anti-christian/-religious" it just makes them "anti-theocratic".
@BTCforlife Also let me point out. You still fail to answer any questions. You only throw out bits of information without any context- which is used to be misleading and mischaraterize the actual history. This is exactly what I fault the video on, it is Intellectual dishonest so any claims made by the presenter are built on fallacies.
I agree that there are many misconceptions about atheism, but the video undermines itself by being dishonest in its presentation of events which is sad.
@joelarnda He's just refuting the concept of Hitler being an atheist, how good of a Catholic he was is, at least to a certain extent, irrelevant. DonExodus2 didn't say it was his sole reason for doing what he did.
@DonExodus2 You say 'correlation does not imply causation' with regard to Hitler's beliefs and deeds. But then you can't go compare atheism demographics with Global Peace Indices, or can you? Aren't you implying that peace is positively correlated with, therefore caused by atheism? Isn't that applying double standards? (I'm an atheist btw, but I remain skeptical.)
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions tons of Earth soil)
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or living cell works, but it's irrational to believe that mere undirected natural laws can bring about either. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.” - Thomas Jefferson
Great video, I think every religious person should watch this. Although, if they were they type of people who responded to logic and reason, they wouldn't be religious in the first place.
@GodofSpanaway Really this video sucks and is intellectually dishonest if you actually go into any depth. If you have any reason or logic and can get past the superficiaility it is clear- this video is Sophmoric and pseudophilosphic at best. Sometimes a little knoledge is a dangerous thing and this video is a prime example- please learn the rest of the story instead of arresting your development to ignorance.
@GodofSpanaway Really this video sucks and is intellectually dishonest if you actually go into any depth. If you have any reason or logic and can get past the superficiaility it is clear- this video is Sophmoric and pseudophilosphic at best. Sometimes a little knoledge is a dangerous thing and this video is a prime example- please learn the rest of the story instead of arresting your development to ignorance.
@GodofSpanaway Really this video sucks and is intellectually dishonest if you actually go into any depth. If you have any reason or logic and can get past the superficiaility it is clear- this video is Sophmoric and pseudophilosphic at best. Sometimes a little knoledge is a dangerous thing and this video is a prime example- please learn the rest of the story instead of arresting your development to ignorance.
@joelarnda Alright buddy, what exactly in this video was dishonest? Athiests are demonized all the time by religious people, I've recieved all kinds of insults and death threats for not believing in god. Science is the only method humans have for seperating what we want to be true, from what is actually true. As of yet, there is no evidence for the existence of any god, and believing in something for which there is no evidence is what I call delusion, not faith.
@joelarnda yes sometimes a little KNOLEGE is very dangeous indeed hahahahah! and arresting his devlopment to ingorance, so he is stopping his ignorance basically, please stfu ur comment is retarded
@bristles1000 Thanks, I really enjoyed your comment and its sincerity. It really made my day, and I did need something today as a little pick me up. . . Wait, I think smell something *sniff sniff* Oh, was that you trying to use sarcasm? It usually works better on making your own video response than on just YT posting as Troll :-)
@joelarnda Yeah, insult it, throw a few swear words and some useless evaluations in it and leave it at that.
I'm starting to hate apologetics like you: You claim to be so intelligent, yet state no arguments. You attack the most openminded by merely calling them ignorant instead of trying to persuade them.
DEPTH?? Hes attacking a pseudo claim! PM him if you've actually want to go into a deep dicussion. But no, I forgot that you'd rather be condescending:-)).
@d007ization My last post pretty much sums up everything.
"I agree that there are many misconceptions about atheism, but the video undermines itself by being dishonest in its presentation of events which is sad."
The video makes false claims and misrepresents facts which makes the any logic at that point false and a psuedo logic on a false foundation.
Can you provide an example of my swear words? I only called someone out as a troll is all I can see
@joelarnda Sorry, you just called him ignorant and fallacious without providing arguments for it. That kinda pissed me off.
One problem I have with this video is that he uses statistics to prove something; always problematic (he points this out himself: correlation~causation)
@d007ization I made my points and arguements by pointing out false claims made in the video. It is intellectual dishonesty to leave out important facts just so it fits the logic of the point your trying to make. Facts are facts- and should not be misrepresented with the intent of a confirmation bias thats not freethinking
It's been awhile since I've seen this and I am not going to take the time to watch it again. My previous posts and dialogue unless there is something new to comment on.
@d007ization In my last post, "just so it fits the logic of the point your trying to make" I am not using *your* which should have been "you are" is meant to be a general *how to* and not directed at *you* specifically.
I like an honest debate and search for truth, but I fault theists and atheists the same when misresenting facts, history, science, and mischaracterizations.
There are miconceptions about atheism. But the misrepresentation of facts feed into the misconceptions
i know that this won't change anything in any of you but this atheist thinks that people should just alow others to believe what they want to believe...creationists, read you respective books, and athiests, study your respective books...if humans would have far less war...if you agree...show me your thumbs please...
This might work if creationists weren't so dead set on forcing their beliefs upon our children, as is evident in their repeated assaults on the public school system.
Not the point. The problem isn't my kids ignoring them; it's politicians taking them seriously. Do you live under a rock? Do you know what's been happening to Texas education? Do you know what happened to cause Kitzmiller v. Dover? Do you want creationism taught in schools instead of science?
You can be religious without denying indisputable facts. And creationism has no place in science class. Science teaches facts. It's only science if it works. Creationism is religious dogma and in violation of the First Amendment.
Hitler and the Nazis were not Atheists or Christians per se. In fact very little is known about actual religious believes of Hitler. For Example: There are indicators for a strange twisted Pagan Cult within the Nazi-Movement (read up Thule-Organisation).
There are also indicators of a shallow and weakened Christian following (SS-Recruits had to swear to God to become a full SS-Member). And as you stated there are indicators that say Hitler was in fact an atheist..... to be cont.
@darkfiete In my opinion Hitler and his pack should not be a part of a religious discussion because it will just go back an forth since we don't have enough solid prove what kind of religion they were following.
"Gott mit uns" on every Nazi's belt buckle is a pretty good indicator.
"Mein Kampf" is another pretty good indicator.
The only "indicators" that Hitler was an atheist are the rantings of disgruntled religious extremists that are insecure about their beliefs. The truth is that it doesn't really matter and blaming any ideology except Nazism is dishonest.
Oh in dry season where the pools in mazon is dried and pirahnas trapped, they actually will cannibalize eachother, given that any fish shows a sign of fatigue or weakness. This is a point where killing another member of your community benefits the community more than it harms it. Based n my limited knowledge thats why people murder others in a developed country. Christians included.
My mom is a very religious person. Every time I ask her why she believes in God she gives me an excuse, refuses to even consider the possibility that she is mistaken and calls me ignorant. I fail to see how this sort of thinking makes you a better person. I fail to see how god can even exist at all. I fail to see how god can be capable of anger and jealousy, both of witch are human emotional responses to fear. can GOD even fear? if he could id say he has an identity disorder
@alantheman10 believe me i know how it is my mother is the same she 71 years old and she is very religious and i live out the country for a long time now i am kind of stranger for her, and every time she say this or that thanks to god i want to tell her what is going on on my mind what i think of her god but i no use once indoctrinated is very difficult to get out of that cage, a also fail to find evidence for god and here i am a live, this is the only life we will have, so enjoy it
1st of all there are TOTALLY no contradictions, ESPECIALLY in the four resurrection accounts right? "-_- Also, the Cthulu mythos is written my several authors who are relatively consistent with H.P Lovecraft's works. Also, where are those "eye witness" accounts of Jerusalem's dead reclaiming the city, did no one but Matthew bother writing that down?
its funny when you keep bringing up elvis and your magic sandwhich. there arent ancient texts or over 400 eye witness to the account of elvis coming back from the dead or your magic sandwhich healing the sick and blind in public and the rise of the church of elvis from all the eye witnesses to the account dozens of books written by completely different people that all fit together that make the same claims to back each one up. so your elvis/sandwhich argument is a strawman
@TheZooCrew i didnt write that to you and please spare me the trivial "bible contradictions", ive heard them all. also eyewitnesses are all we had before cameras and you dont have a problem with that when it comes to any other part of history you believe in so eyewitness accounts for all of our cultural history until a little over 100 years ago. i dont want to talk to you ZooCrew, i directed those comments to DonExodus.
dear DonExodus, how many murderers, serial killers, etc. in prison become christians when they go to prison because of the all the different churches visiting and witnessing to prisons?
obviously, and i'm an agnostic. obviously, more war and slavery and violence and terrorism has been committed under religion BY FAR more than committed by the atheists. the inquisition anyone?
Even though this is basically a rephrasing of a Richard Dawkins speech, it's great to have the info available from as many sources as possible. Just... cite your sources, mmk?
@tjhombs and don't forget the top ten sins don't include rape, pedophilia, child abuse, animal torture, genital mutilation, spousal abuse, torture, genocide, kidnapping, homophobia, racism, sexism, etc. but you had better not say anything bad about god because he can't take it even thou he is all powerful, tehe.
Rape? When a woman is raped, she needs to marry the rapist! Pedophilia. Puleez, it was common for people back then to marry when they were kids. Child abuse? It's is required to stone unruly children. Animal torture? Sacrifices, hello? Genital mutilation? Circumcision is a ritual! Genocide? We needed to kill of those depraved Amorites!
Huh, that's surprising. I was expecting to see ignorant statements but all the comments are a simple misunderstanding between two intelligent and like-minded individuals. Don Exodus apparently doesn't attract many stupid people and we're actually running out of arguments on a Youtube comments page.
great video,i didin't came out to my parents,just to some ppl in school
but i have to say that it sucks that ppl think that atheist are heartless,can do what we want("sins" included),that we want to be god or some shit
a friend of mine says that respect me,but some random times he say that things like "god is there but you just cant see it,you just have to open your eyes","your heart is cold"
it bothers me cuz i suck at talking with ppl,so it hard to be in a argument,but i do what i can
Just to add on the atrocities of religion. Missionaries go to Africa and inject them with the "immunization" aids virus shots and then the pope tells them not to use condoms or they will go to hell.
@ShaggyShagz13 Their is no "immunization" for the human immunodeficiency virus. "HIV/AIDS"
The Virus mutates to quickly to produce a vaccine versitile enough to actualy be used. No one is "injected?" with the virus itself ether. thats just conspiracy jargon
No rape or murder charges. No theft or vandalism. My most violent actions have been fist fights. I've helped elderly people and children for no reason other than to help them. I think that just my examples show how rediculous the idea of faith guiding moral aptitude is.
I am an atheist, an asswhole, and typically anti-social. I have been in arguments
about religion since I was a young kid. I have hated authority for a very long time also. In general, I could give a shit less about others. I should be a prime candidate to fulfill the believers belief that atheists are evil and prone to be violent criminals. I have gotten 1 no seatbelt ticket, arrested 1x for littering, a few poss of cannabis, 2x dis the peace for fighting the same sht starting narc.
I'm an atheist, but you're misleading people with the atheism prison percentage, you should have included the fact that this is due to the fact that there are far more christians than atheist.
@ManicTheManic Atheists are not exclusively the ones in jail even though Christians say they have no morals. Consider that Christians and Jews make up eighty to ninety of the country and eighty-three of the prison population. Atheists make up eight to sixteen of the population and less than one percent of the prison population. The source is holysmoke
The percentage of atheists in prisons in proportion to all prisoners is smaller than the percentage of atheists in general in proportion to all people. Far more than .2% of the American population is atheist as the next slide shows: 7.1% actually atheist or identifying as agnostic and another 10% nonreligious or unanswered, that's a ratio of 35,6:1 up to 85,6:1 for percentage of atheists in the population:percentage of atheists in prisons.
oh you're going to love this, long time ago i mentioned the 10 commandments to this christian and they said that rape and child abuse are in the bible, they say that when you rape you violate "thou shalt not steal" because you stole their innocence
i never knew someone could be blinded with stupidity
in principle, I agree with the message of this video. However, I believe you may have mispoken about the ten commandments. Nothing about child molestation? Nothing about rape? Just as the scientific definition of a theory is much different than its colloquial usage, so too is the modern world definition of adultery much different than its biblical meaning.
its a simple fact that not all religion is good, to throw in religious extremists with peacefull religions is like saying all athiests are not moral, and religous people do commit crimes but that doesnt mean athiests are exempt from crimes as well.
I really enjoyied watching your video. Before watching some of your videos I was confused about what classification i was. I can say now i am Atheist.
Also to all those commenting about abortion. i can say that i don't beleive in it and be atheist because people should know their consiquences when they do stuff and take responsiblity for it. the only time abortion is truly a good thing is if a girl is raped and she gets pregnant and doesn't want to keep it.
I'm an atheist but in the ten commandments there is the part about doing unto others, which actually makes all the others redundant,but still makes you look like an ass.What should be pointed out about Hitler is that I don't know if he killed anyone.It was all his mindless followers that killed everyone.That's what atheism really is.The throwing off of mindless following. If Hitler had to scientifically prove that Jews were evil he would have failed. Therefore science would have saved the Jews.
@KuroiiTenshii he was. his writings, speeches, and relationship with the vatican are well known. the idea that he was an atheist is a modern invention of the christian right in the US.
@Neeboopsh and even if he was an atheist.. it is irrelevant. even if hitler was catholic there are plenty of atheists who have done terrible things, just the same as there are many people with moustaches who have done terrible things. the difference is that it wasn't done in the name of their moustache (or there atheism) unlike religious lunacy which is done solely in the name of god.
(not really saying this to you, i think you are well aware of it already. just adding it on to what you said)
One thing I don't like about this video is around the 4:30 mark, where you say "higher abortion, higher drug use, higher crime."
Without getting into the pro-life/pro-choice debate, I think it's morally wrong to compare abortion to crime and drug use, (even if you disagree with it) because it's not illegal.
Some people because of their opinion may judge it to be the same (IE, if they're pro-life) but that doesn't make it objectively the same as murder.
@bersaba i think the point is that abortion is generally considered to be a not so good thing, even if not immoral (i'm completely pro-choice). the point is that you would expect higher population of religious people to equate to lower rates of abortion, when infact it is the opposite.. as with crime and drugs and whatever. it's not about whether abortion is illegal or immoral or anything, it's just pointing out a trend.
I get your point but I still disagree with it. I don't think there's to many women "running out" to get abortions without serious consideration. To even use it as a measure of immorality is (In my opinion) rather stupid.
@bersaba i agree, i don't think abortion is immoral and i don't think that it IS being used as a measure of immorality in this video. it's about pointing out a contradiction. christians claim the be anti-abortion, anti-violence, against intolerance but in all of these cases the more religious people there are around the higher the levels of these things are. if religious people weren't so against abortion then i don't believe abortion rate would be used in the video.. it's to show the hypocrisy.
I found the point about how we should expect to see more atheists in prison laughable. No theist says an atheist can't be moral, they merely say he's being inconsistent with his beliefs. Secondly, it does not follow that we should see more atheists in jail than we do. In fact, the prisoners beliefs should correspond to non-prisoners beliefs. That is to say, there is a very small percentage of atheists in America, thus we should in fact expect a small percentage of atheists in jail.
I've heard theists many a time say atheists can't be moral. Infact Ray Comfort says it virtually every time he talks to an atheist. No, that doesn't mean EVERY theist does, but it does happen. Infact George H W Bush considered athesits to not even being American citizens.
Also you're missing the point. Atheists (non-religious) is vastly UNDERNUMBERED in relation to their percentage of population. Using America, 16% is non-religious, and just 0.2% of inmates are.
@Tohnrenable If I had a nickle for every time a theist has called me immoral because of ideological differences,I could buy every church in the country. Then I would have a lot of bake sales. MMMM cookies.
we consider them to be immoral because we unlike animals have a conscience which God gave us but we also have free will, i could ask you the sme thing, why do we have a conscience if there is no meaning to life we consider it wrong because whether you like it or not you see the blackness of sin and what it is to go against Gods law
@markgg1 someone mentioned it earlier so it is relevant and my proof that God gave us a conscience is that why else would we have it, animals don't have a conscience, they just fight for survival, so why would we have an instinct not to commit sin if we are just evolved monkeys
@stepharnos Animals do have conciousness, what are you taling about. Dogs, Cats, Chimps all have personalities, memories, emotions. they feel fear, pleasure just like us.
Even if it were true that we were the only ones with consciousness, it still wouldnt prove god one bit.
@markgg1 but do animals know what is wrong. They know what they will get punished for but that is because they are domesticated, they can have personalities but that dosen't mean that they have a conscience(please spell it right next time) and it does prove God because like it says in the Bible God gave us free will and we have the ability to know what is wrong because we ate from the tree of knowledge that is why we have laws, animals don't, evolution is false
@markgg1 a dog knows not to because he knows that he will get punished, a wild wolf would take the steak because he is wild and does it for survival. Also if God didn't give us free will he would never have allowed adam and eve to pick the fruit in the garden, he gave them a choice and they failed, i know my bible i just don't try to twist it to what suites me
@stepharnos Well nearly all the christians I know disobey gods commands to stone children and heretics. to not eat shellfish, and to keep the sabbath holy.
@pandapalace11 Agreed, even though Jesus did infact say the law is to be followed fully a dn will never change. I also like to to highlight hell was introudced into the NT not the OT as they all imagine.
To be frank, any behaviour possible could be justified by selective reading of that book.
My favourite messed up bible storey has to be Job's daughters date raping him.
Oh, another one is some guy who had sex than pulled out and came on the floor. Contraception, bible style!
@stepharnos Remember your god is all knowing and knew before making anything that they would eat that which he commanded them not to eat. He wants us to defy him so he can punish us? He plans to fight a battle against a creation of his that he can erase with a thought. Using medicine or operations to get well is defying the will of goD and that is why gay children are born. Every time you pop an aspiren, an angel loses its wings. Can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?
@stepharnos A "wild" human (one free from cultural influence) lacks what we consider a conscience just as much as any other wild animal (humans are animals, too).
A question for you: do you think it's wrong to rape children? If so, why? It's not mentioned in the bible, so are you admitting that certain aspects of our conscience are not given by god? Or do you actually think pedophilia is okay (wouldn't be surprised, considering you're christian)?
I agree with everything you say except for one thing you are inherently wrong on: Hitler was NOT a vegetarian. If you believe that then you are believing an urban myth trumpeted by the Nazi propaganda machine, and showing yourself to be subject to the same delusional weaknesses that theists are.
Hitler's doctor recommended he go veg, but it is well known that his favorite dishes were meat-based, and he also banned vegetarian organizations just like he banned atheist organizations.
@HillmanZ1 This is a common misconception. What it comes down to is this.
Someone asks the question, "Do you believe in any kind of God?" If you answer "Yes," then you are a theist (or a deist).
All others, without exception -- are atheists.
Now, unless, as an agnostic you say, "I don't know whether or not there's a god -- yet I believe there is one" -- then you too, are an atheist, since it isn't required that you specifically *reject* the existence of god, only that *don't* answer yes.
I found the best explanation and examples for universal moral human laws and the fact that they have nothing to do with religion, in 'the god delusion'. The example with the railroad tracks and the train aproaching a group of people. That's science not irrelevant stats. check it out
Ok, so do you think that replaces your atheistic or theistic view? Do you define atheism in such a narrow way? Do you think agnosticism makes any explicit or implicit statement about whether you believe in god or not? (since I was under the impression it was only a statement about knowledge. Thus working on a different axis from atheism and theism.) If so, can you source that sort of definition.
#1 misconception about theists' criticism of morals:
The argument for God from morals is called the "Axiological Argument." It is more about there being no philisophical grounding for morals without God, not that people don't behave morally, not that morality is derived from the Bible - rather, that morality is something ultimately created by God and that's what makes things fundamentally good or evil.
Of course this argument is severely flawed, but theists will think you've missed the point.
to say that religion was the sole reason for 9/11 is so simplistic, i would argue it is simply wrong. because while it may have been the sole reason for the people on the actual planes, it certainly wasn't the sole reason for the planning of it. the correlation between how much certain countries ravage the middle east and whether they are attacked is just too high for it to be plausible that the main motivator would not be political.
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The existence of God is not even a worthy argument. I was raised Christian. I became an Atheist when I actually read the Bible. I didn't have to spend all my energy defending it and justifying it's cruelty. I was able to read it without forcing myself to agree. There is no way of justifying, metaphorically or contextually smashing a baby against a rock(psalms 137). Arguing is a pure waste of time. Just the same I wouldn't argue with someone who thought the Moon was made of cheese.
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"Thou shall not kill other piranhas" lol....
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@alantheman10
First of all you have to REALLY understand that "belief" and "knowledge" are different things.
Although you can argue about religious aspects with logic or maybe even historical proof, you can NOT argue about the existence of a creator.
Because nobody knows if there is or isn`t a creator.
Most religous people take every written sentence for the word of god and when you confront them with logic they feel like you`re attacking their god and there lies the problem my friend.
KeskinTRS 2 months ago
115 people need some psychiatric help.
adisa091 2 months ago
since i don't believe in any god and in any religion my actions my moral and so on have foundations in this simple fact i want to coexist in peace with the rest of the humans in this planet in decent way and in peace, one more think since i am not going to the church i don't have a escape goat of confession on sundays every action god or bad are register in my brain and is no forgiveness for the bad one and no price for good one is simple i love peace and respect the right of the other people
legolasgreenleaff 2 months ago
Hitler was a roman catholic, just throwing this out there.
Genericdruid 2 months ago
@Genericdruid Did you know Hitler also shit himself, wore diapers and couldn't tie his shoes! He was also illiteratebeing unable to read and write too. He was 3 years old at one time too. Two years after that he was 5.
Taking history out of context is easy to do and intellectually dishonest. At what point in his life was he Catholic is more important than just saying he was. This is the kind of fact and word twisting with statements like your + the vid is deceptive for the ignorant.
joelarnda 2 months ago
@joelarnda
He was catholic up until the bullet hit his brain, then he was just worm food.
Stop beating around the bush and just come out with your "no true christian" argument.
BTCforlife 2 months ago
@BTCforlife What Christian creates a prayer in their own name to be worshipped and idolized? The Hitler youth camps did this in Hitler's name! Doesn't sound very Catholic does it? He was a paganist at the end and pro-atheist. There were plans to go after Christianity but the plans was to wait until after the war when power would be consolidated. That's history -
It can be debatable if Hitler was an atheist or not at the end of his life, but it is quite clear he was anti-Christian.
joelarnda 2 months ago
@joelarnda There you go. That's more like it. Use those fallacies with pride.
BTCforlife 2 months ago
@BTCforlife What are you talking about fallacies?!?! It's hisorical record- it's evidence. Are you able to answer the questions I asked? Can you support your accusations of pride? At this point your showing your true colors as a troll by offering nothing but ad hominem.
As I said before in previous comments, taking things out of context to serve for a self-confirming bias and ignoring evidence is just ignorance. You can't change history- that's what happened, like it or not.
joelarnda 2 months ago
@joelarnda
The "context" that you are trying to create is "he couldn't possibly be a christian. Look at what he did!!" which is a fallacy. All it takes to be christian is to accept that jesus died for you and was resurrected.
Hitler believed that.
He was a catholic who had the support of the vatican.
Deal with it.
BTCforlife 2 months ago
@BTCforlife And you had this discussion with him of what he beleived in? You never answered the questions I askes in an earlier post :-) You are such a troll. Twisting words for a false claim in quotations- who are you quoting anyway? They are not my words and they are not in my posts.
You offer nothing but opinions backed by nothing. If your going to troll at least try to have some wit to your comments if your not going to have any substance. Pathetic and willfully ignorant of facts
joelarnda 2 months ago
@joelarnda My quotes make perfect sense in context. Nice try with your "troll" ad hom though.
What evidence have you offered beyond your opinion?
Your entire argument is based on ignorance.
Try reading mein kamph, or watching the many speeches that are posted on youtube before you start calling anyone else ignorant.
Or you could just keep making shit up about me and no true Scotsman-ing your way around the room.
BTCforlife 2 months ago
@BTCforlife (1/2) Where did you get your quote from? The troll comment is calling you out for what you out by you obvious tactic. You still have not answered any of the questions I've asked. You have provided nothing but negative comments and have not proven anything to be false.
Also I am not presenting an arguement- I am presenting evidence points out false statements in the video to mischaracterize history. Your choosing to willfully ignore it because it contradicts your bias.
joelarnda 2 months ago
@BTCforlife (2/2) According to the leader of the Hitler youth: " "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible". Meaning, they couldn't directly attack the church until they had secured enough power. Both Hitler and Mussolini held this position.
Your self-confirming bias will probably cause you to be dissmissive despite the facts. - Can you prove me wrong? ;-)
joelarnda 2 months ago
@joelarnda Gott Mitt Uns
BTCforlife 2 months ago
@BTCforlife "Gott Mitt Uns" - 3 words without any context. Maybe you should read about it. It does not contradict anything I have said.
Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939 a conversation in which Hitler had "expressed his revulsion against Christianity. He wished that the time were ripe for him to be able to openly express that. Christianity had corrupted and infected the entire world of antiquity." It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian."
joelarnda 2 months ago
@joelarnda Just because those dictators didn't like the concept of another power legaly controlling their country doesen't make them "anti-christian/-religious" it just makes them "anti-theocratic".
d007ization 1 month ago
@BTCforlife Also let me point out. You still fail to answer any questions. You only throw out bits of information without any context- which is used to be misleading and mischaraterize the actual history. This is exactly what I fault the video on, it is Intellectual dishonest so any claims made by the presenter are built on fallacies.
I agree that there are many misconceptions about atheism, but the video undermines itself by being dishonest in its presentation of events which is sad.
joelarnda 2 months ago
@joelarnda Hitler-had-the-support-of-the-vatican. Not a baseless claim. Irrefutable fact.
I'll look at your other arguments but you can't change that.
d007ization 1 month ago
@joelarnda He's just refuting the concept of Hitler being an atheist, how good of a Catholic he was is, at least to a certain extent, irrelevant. DonExodus2 didn't say it was his sole reason for doing what he did.
d007ization 1 month ago
Creationists don't watch these vids anyways
klila16 3 months ago
indeed
fosco420 3 months ago
Nice video =]
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@DonExodus2 You say 'correlation does not imply causation' with regard to Hitler's beliefs and deeds. But then you can't go compare atheism demographics with Global Peace Indices, or can you? Aren't you implying that peace is positively correlated with, therefore caused by atheism? Isn't that applying double standards? (I'm an atheist btw, but I remain skeptical.)
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SCIENCE SHOWS THAT THE UNIVERSE could not have sustained itself eternally because of entropy (even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, and time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator
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THE SCIENTIFIC CASE AGAINST ATHEISM: Please read this Internet article of mine published in Russia's English Pravda. It will be a real eye-opener for all who think belief in a Creator is merely subjective blind faith. Also read my article, LIFE ON MARS NO SURPRISE (In the Earth's past there was powerful volcanic activity which spewed life-containing dirt and rocks (meteors) into outer space. Mars may literally have millions tons of Earth soil)
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How were species living and reproducing if their vital structures, organs, reproductive systems hadn't evolved yet? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news on fossils, genetics, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit the Institute for Creation Research site.
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WHAT IS SCIENCE? Science simply is knowledge based on observation. No one observed the universe coming by chance or by design, by creation or by macro-evolution. These are positions of faith. The issue is which faith the scientific evidence best supports. Natural laws can explain how an airplane or living cell works, but it's irrational to believe that mere undirected natural laws can bring about either. Read my Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
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THE ODDS of the sequence of molecules in a cell coming together by chance are similar to the odds of magnetic letters randomly bonding together in a sequence to form all the words and sentences in a dictionary. Without the right sequence, a cell's molecules won't work. Amino acids can come by chance but not proteins. Without DNA there can be no proteins and vice versa. Gradually won't do. It's all at once or not at all for a cell's survival. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
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NATURAL SELECTION DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING. It can only "select" from what is produced that has survival value. If a variation occurs that helps a species survive, that survival is called being "selected." That's all it is. There's no conscious selection by nature. It's a passive process. Natural selection is a figure of speech. The term itself is a tautology. Natural selection only operates once there is life and reproduction, not before. Read my article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM.
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select," not produce or arrange. If a variation survives, that's called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
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ARE FOSSILS REALLY MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD? Popular Internet article examines assumptions concerning fossil deposition as well as built-in assumptions involved in modern radiometric dating (not used for dating fossils but other rocks), and arguments from starlight and time. Discusses lack of true transitional forms in the fossil record and lack of "age" sequence of the fossil layers. Discussion of mixed species (i.e. dinosaur, reptile, mammal fossils in the same stratum).
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
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GENETIC INFORMATION CANNOT HAPPEN BY CHANCE, so it's more logical to believe that genetic similarities between all forms of life are due to a common Designer who designed similar functions for similar purposes. It doesn't mean all forms of life are biologically related! Also, "Junk DNA" isn't junk. These non-coding segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression. Read my popular Internet article: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
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DO EYES CARRY SCARS OF EVOLUTION? Read this fantastic Internet article by biologist and creationist Brian Thomas. Thomas refutes every argument of a "flawed" design for the eye, and explains how and why the so-called flaw is actually the best thing for the eye. Read the article! It's amazing what facts evolutionists will ignore. Numerous times evolutionists have been proven wrong about their interpretation of a structure as being flawed or useless
Mogley52 4 months ago
1 minute in and I can already safely say that this video is a Masterpiece! Thank you Sir for it!
SpaceVulcan 4 months ago
“Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.” - Thomas Jefferson
NorthForkFisherman 4 months ago
you could have added that an afterlife is still possible even if there is no god
Dagaman64 5 months ago
Great video, I think every religious person should watch this. Although, if they were they type of people who responded to logic and reason, they wouldn't be religious in the first place.
GodofSpanaway 5 months ago
@GodofSpanaway Really this video sucks and is intellectually dishonest if you actually go into any depth. If you have any reason or logic and can get past the superficiaility it is clear- this video is Sophmoric and pseudophilosphic at best. Sometimes a little knoledge is a dangerous thing and this video is a prime example- please learn the rest of the story instead of arresting your development to ignorance.
Free your mind, think it's free!
joelarnda 4 months ago
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@GodofSpanaway Really this video sucks and is intellectually dishonest if you actually go into any depth. If you have any reason or logic and can get past the superficiaility it is clear- this video is Sophmoric and pseudophilosphic at best. Sometimes a little knoledge is a dangerous thing and this video is a prime example- please learn the rest of the story instead of arresting your development to ignorance.
Free your mind, think it's free!
joelarnda 4 months ago
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joelarnda 4 months ago
@GodofSpanaway Really this video sucks and is intellectually dishonest if you actually go into any depth. If you have any reason or logic and can get past the superficiaility it is clear- this video is Sophmoric and pseudophilosphic at best. Sometimes a little knoledge is a dangerous thing and this video is a prime example- please learn the rest of the story instead of arresting your development to ignorance.
Free your mind, think it's free!
joelarnda 4 months ago
@joelarnda Alright buddy, what exactly in this video was dishonest? Athiests are demonized all the time by religious people, I've recieved all kinds of insults and death threats for not believing in god. Science is the only method humans have for seperating what we want to be true, from what is actually true. As of yet, there is no evidence for the existence of any god, and believing in something for which there is no evidence is what I call delusion, not faith.
GodofSpanaway 4 months ago
@joelarnda yes sometimes a little KNOLEGE is very dangeous indeed hahahahah! and arresting his devlopment to ingorance, so he is stopping his ignorance basically, please stfu ur comment is retarded
bristles1000 3 months ago
@bristles1000 Hello Troll :-)
joelarnda 3 months ago
@joelarnda hahahaha
bristles1000 3 months ago
@joelarnda , but to be fair, I was right
bristles1000 3 months ago
@bristles1000 Hello again Troll :-)
joelarnda 2 months ago
@joelarnda you're a really creative person with your awesome comments that I like to read...
bristles1000 2 months ago
@bristles1000 Thanks, I really enjoyed your comment and its sincerity. It really made my day, and I did need something today as a little pick me up. . . Wait, I think smell something *sniff sniff* Oh, was that you trying to use sarcasm? It usually works better on making your own video response than on just YT posting as Troll :-)
joelarnda 2 months ago
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@joelarnda i dont want my face on youtube, anyone can see it, perverts, rpapists, chinese people, and you.
bristles1000 2 months ago
@joelarnda Yeah, insult it, throw a few swear words and some useless evaluations in it and leave it at that.
I'm starting to hate apologetics like you: You claim to be so intelligent, yet state no arguments. You attack the most openminded by merely calling them ignorant instead of trying to persuade them.
DEPTH?? Hes attacking a pseudo claim! PM him if you've actually want to go into a deep dicussion. But no, I forgot that you'd rather be condescending:-)).
d007ization 1 month ago
@d007ization My last post pretty much sums up everything.
"I agree that there are many misconceptions about atheism, but the video undermines itself by being dishonest in its presentation of events which is sad."
The video makes false claims and misrepresents facts which makes the any logic at that point false and a psuedo logic on a false foundation.
Can you provide an example of my swear words? I only called someone out as a troll is all I can see
joelarnda 1 month ago
@joelarnda Sorry, you just called him ignorant and fallacious without providing arguments for it. That kinda pissed me off.
One problem I have with this video is that he uses statistics to prove something; always problematic (he points this out himself: correlation~causation)
d007ization 1 month ago
@d007ization I made my points and arguements by pointing out false claims made in the video. It is intellectual dishonesty to leave out important facts just so it fits the logic of the point your trying to make. Facts are facts- and should not be misrepresented with the intent of a confirmation bias thats not freethinking
It's been awhile since I've seen this and I am not going to take the time to watch it again. My previous posts and dialogue unless there is something new to comment on.
joelarnda 1 month ago
@d007ization In my last post, "just so it fits the logic of the point your trying to make" I am not using *your* which should have been "you are" is meant to be a general *how to* and not directed at *you* specifically.
I like an honest debate and search for truth, but I fault theists and atheists the same when misresenting facts, history, science, and mischaracterizations.
There are miconceptions about atheism. But the misrepresentation of facts feed into the misconceptions
joelarnda 1 month ago
i know that this won't change anything in any of you but this atheist thinks that people should just alow others to believe what they want to believe...creationists, read you respective books, and athiests, study your respective books...if humans would have far less war...if you agree...show me your thumbs please...
cornmon 5 months ago
@cornmon
This might work if creationists weren't so dead set on forcing their beliefs upon our children, as is evident in their repeated assaults on the public school system.
TheZooCrew 5 months ago
@TheZooCrew tell your kid to ignore them if it bothers you so much..
cornmon 5 months ago
@cornmon
Not the point. The problem isn't my kids ignoring them; it's politicians taking them seriously. Do you live under a rock? Do you know what's been happening to Texas education? Do you know what happened to cause Kitzmiller v. Dover? Do you want creationism taught in schools instead of science?
TheZooCrew 5 months ago
@TheZooCrew no, but if my kid decides to be religious ive no right to stop him, i would perfer him to be atheistic but he's his own person..
cornmon 5 months ago
@cornmon
You can be religious without denying indisputable facts. And creationism has no place in science class. Science teaches facts. It's only science if it works. Creationism is religious dogma and in violation of the First Amendment.
TheZooCrew 5 months ago
Hitler and the Nazis were not Atheists or Christians per se. In fact very little is known about actual religious believes of Hitler. For Example: There are indicators for a strange twisted Pagan Cult within the Nazi-Movement (read up Thule-Organisation).
There are also indicators of a shallow and weakened Christian following (SS-Recruits had to swear to God to become a full SS-Member). And as you stated there are indicators that say Hitler was in fact an atheist..... to be cont.
darkfiete 5 months ago
@darkfiete In my opinion Hitler and his pack should not be a part of a religious discussion because it will just go back an forth since we don't have enough solid prove what kind of religion they were following.
darkfiete 5 months ago
@darkfiete
"Gott mit uns" on every Nazi's belt buckle is a pretty good indicator.
"Mein Kampf" is another pretty good indicator.
The only "indicators" that Hitler was an atheist are the rantings of disgruntled religious extremists that are insecure about their beliefs. The truth is that it doesn't really matter and blaming any ideology except Nazism is dishonest.
TheZooCrew 5 months ago
@TheZooCrew Exactly what i meant! Thank you!
darkfiete 5 months ago
Oh in dry season where the pools in mazon is dried and pirahnas trapped, they actually will cannibalize eachother, given that any fish shows a sign of fatigue or weakness. This is a point where killing another member of your community benefits the community more than it harms it. Based n my limited knowledge thats why people murder others in a developed country. Christians included.
ImAnotherZang 6 months ago
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ManicOpake 6 months ago
My mom is a very religious person. Every time I ask her why she believes in God she gives me an excuse, refuses to even consider the possibility that she is mistaken and calls me ignorant. I fail to see how this sort of thinking makes you a better person. I fail to see how god can even exist at all. I fail to see how god can be capable of anger and jealousy, both of witch are human emotional responses to fear. can GOD even fear? if he could id say he has an identity disorder
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@alantheman10 type in "atheist comedy the meaning of life" and watch the first video watch all the guys videos on his channel theyre good lol
DonkeyDong156 3 months ago
@alantheman10 o and watch "The Real God :An Epiphany" thts the one thats specifically for your mom lol
DonkeyDong156 3 months ago
@alantheman10 believe me i know how it is my mother is the same she 71 years old and she is very religious and i live out the country for a long time now i am kind of stranger for her, and every time she say this or that thanks to god i want to tell her what is going on on my mind what i think of her god but i no use once indoctrinated is very difficult to get out of that cage, a also fail to find evidence for god and here i am a live, this is the only life we will have, so enjoy it
legolasgreenleaff 2 months ago
1st of all there are TOTALLY no contradictions, ESPECIALLY in the four resurrection accounts right? "-_- Also, the Cthulu mythos is written my several authors who are relatively consistent with H.P Lovecraft's works. Also, where are those "eye witness" accounts of Jerusalem's dead reclaiming the city, did no one but Matthew bother writing that down?
Nverdis 7 months ago
its funny when you keep bringing up elvis and your magic sandwhich. there arent ancient texts or over 400 eye witness to the account of elvis coming back from the dead or your magic sandwhich healing the sick and blind in public and the rise of the church of elvis from all the eye witnesses to the account dozens of books written by completely different people that all fit together that make the same claims to back each one up. so your elvis/sandwhich argument is a strawman
digitalblasphemy1100 7 months ago
@digitalblasphemy1100
I can give you a long, long list of Biblical contradictions and corroboration failures.
Also, eyewitness accounts are the worst possible form of evidence.
TheZooCrew 7 months ago
@TheZooCrew i didnt write that to you and please spare me the trivial "bible contradictions", ive heard them all. also eyewitnesses are all we had before cameras and you dont have a problem with that when it comes to any other part of history you believe in so eyewitness accounts for all of our cultural history until a little over 100 years ago. i dont want to talk to you ZooCrew, i directed those comments to DonExodus.
digitalblasphemy1100 7 months ago
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"you dont have a problem with that when it comes to any other part of history"
This is because we get confirmation from multiple credible sources. Single-sourcing is frowned upon even in the newspaper business.
"i dont want to talk to you ZooCrew, i directed those comments to DonExodus. "
This is a public forum. Too fucking bad. You run your mouth in public, expect to be called out by the public.
TheZooCrew 7 months ago
dear DonExodus, how many murderers, serial killers, etc. in prison become christians when they go to prison because of the all the different churches visiting and witnessing to prisons?
digitalblasphemy1100 7 months ago
obviously, and i'm an agnostic. obviously, more war and slavery and violence and terrorism has been committed under religion BY FAR more than committed by the atheists. the inquisition anyone?
MrNytn2001 7 months ago
I salute you.
093darkknight 7 months ago
@DanteDouglas
No, that's bad for the enviroment. They should be recycled into science textbooks :P
Mectrixctic 8 months ago
Even though this is basically a rephrasing of a Richard Dawkins speech, it's great to have the info available from as many sources as possible. Just... cite your sources, mmk?
djdrocco 8 months ago
The bible tells men to kill innocent women and slaves. How is that moral?
tjhombs 9 months ago
@tjhombs and don't forget the top ten sins don't include rape, pedophilia, child abuse, animal torture, genital mutilation, spousal abuse, torture, genocide, kidnapping, homophobia, racism, sexism, etc. but you had better not say anything bad about god because he can't take it even thou he is all powerful, tehe.
Cheers Christine
christinepeace 8 months ago
@christinepeace
Rape? When a woman is raped, she needs to marry the rapist! Pedophilia. Puleez, it was common for people back then to marry when they were kids. Child abuse? It's is required to stone unruly children. Animal torture? Sacrifices, hello? Genital mutilation? Circumcision is a ritual! Genocide? We needed to kill of those depraved Amorites!
Prepare to be smote infidel! XD
Mectrixctic 8 months ago
I am the Piranah God and I will send a swarm of megapiranahs (from that remake movie) for your blasphemy, lol.
And Elvis is chilling with me right now, alive and well.
On a serious note, Ayn Rand was a homophobe, and Atheists have burnt holy books (and probably other books as well) but other than that, great video.
Mectrixctic 9 months ago
"Correlation does not equal Causation unless I want it to" - ATNA
ThePuppyTurtle 9 months ago
An inherently good person does not need God to tell them the difference between good and evil.
TuahShinguru 9 months ago
@TuahShinguru There are no inherently Good people
ThePuppyTurtle 9 months ago
@ThePuppyTurtle Well, one could argue that one is inherently a person who could be considered good, though objective goodness is an impossibility.
Either way, you know what I'm getting at.
TuahShinguru 9 months ago
Huh, that's surprising. I was expecting to see ignorant statements but all the comments are a simple misunderstanding between two intelligent and like-minded individuals. Don Exodus apparently doesn't attract many stupid people and we're actually running out of arguments on a Youtube comments page.
GnarlyNewEngland 9 months ago
Hitler's atheistic beliefs were pretty exaggerated. I'm pretty sure you can find plenty of Hitler prayers out there in the sea of information.
cGRAM31 10 months ago
great video,i didin't came out to my parents,just to some ppl in school
but i have to say that it sucks that ppl think that atheist are heartless,can do what we want("sins" included),that we want to be god or some shit
a friend of mine says that respect me,but some random times he say that things like "god is there but you just cant see it,you just have to open your eyes","your heart is cold"
it bothers me cuz i suck at talking with ppl,so it hard to be in a argument,but i do what i can
MrSiulsiul 11 months ago
Just to add on the atrocities of religion. Missionaries go to Africa and inject them with the "immunization" aids virus shots and then the pope tells them not to use condoms or they will go to hell.
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AcanLord 11 months ago
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@ShaggyShagz13 Their is no "immunization" for the human immunodeficiency virus. "HIV/AIDS"
The Virus mutates to quickly to produce a vaccine versitile enough to actualy be used. No one is "injected?" with the virus itself ether. thats just conspiracy jargon
AcanLord 11 months ago
No rape or murder charges. No theft or vandalism. My most violent actions have been fist fights. I've helped elderly people and children for no reason other than to help them. I think that just my examples show how rediculous the idea of faith guiding moral aptitude is.
ShaggyShagz13 1 year ago
I am an atheist, an asswhole, and typically anti-social. I have been in arguments
about religion since I was a young kid. I have hated authority for a very long time also. In general, I could give a shit less about others. I should be a prime candidate to fulfill the believers belief that atheists are evil and prone to be violent criminals. I have gotten 1 no seatbelt ticket, arrested 1x for littering, a few poss of cannabis, 2x dis the peace for fighting the same sht starting narc.
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MunkyDrag0n 1 year ago
I'm an atheist, but you're misleading people with the atheism prison percentage, you should have included the fact that this is due to the fact that there are far more christians than atheist.
We shouldn't have to mislead people, don.
ManicTheManic 1 year ago
@ManicTheManic Atheists are not exclusively the ones in jail even though Christians say they have no morals. Consider that Christians and Jews make up eighty to ninety of the country and eighty-three of the prison population. Atheists make up eight to sixteen of the population and less than one percent of the prison population. The source is holysmoke
MunkyDrag0n 1 year ago
@ManicTheManic
The percentage of atheists in prisons in proportion to all prisoners is smaller than the percentage of atheists in general in proportion to all people. Far more than .2% of the American population is atheist as the next slide shows: 7.1% actually atheist or identifying as agnostic and another 10% nonreligious or unanswered, that's a ratio of 35,6:1 up to 85,6:1 for percentage of atheists in the population:percentage of atheists in prisons.
Quintinohthree 11 months ago
oh you're going to love this, long time ago i mentioned the 10 commandments to this christian and they said that rape and child abuse are in the bible, they say that when you rape you violate "thou shalt not steal" because you stole their innocence
i never knew someone could be blinded with stupidity
ManMarriage 1 year ago
athiests are smarter, wiser....that is why there is less crime among them....catholics are sinners I know I went to an all boys priests school.
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mandakiniization 1 year ago
in principle, I agree with the message of this video. However, I believe you may have mispoken about the ten commandments. Nothing about child molestation? Nothing about rape? Just as the scientific definition of a theory is much different than its colloquial usage, so too is the modern world definition of adultery much different than its biblical meaning.
SuxorAoeBj 1 year ago
its a simple fact that not all religion is good, to throw in religious extremists with peacefull religions is like saying all athiests are not moral, and religous people do commit crimes but that doesnt mean athiests are exempt from crimes as well.
prime440 1 year ago
I really enjoyied watching your video. Before watching some of your videos I was confused about what classification i was. I can say now i am Atheist.
Also to all those commenting about abortion. i can say that i don't beleive in it and be atheist because people should know their consiquences when they do stuff and take responsiblity for it. the only time abortion is truly a good thing is if a girl is raped and she gets pregnant and doesn't want to keep it.
Dragonknight49 1 year ago
"I iz ceiling cat.
don lissen to basement cat!"
HAHhAHhahaHAHAHA
managarm1349 1 year ago
Dear sir,
this is the best video ever.
thank you.
AboyNAmEDsued 1 year ago 34
I'm an atheist but in the ten commandments there is the part about doing unto others, which actually makes all the others redundant,but still makes you look like an ass.What should be pointed out about Hitler is that I don't know if he killed anyone.It was all his mindless followers that killed everyone.That's what atheism really is.The throwing off of mindless following. If Hitler had to scientifically prove that Jews were evil he would have failed. Therefore science would have saved the Jews.
MrBadham 1 year ago
@MrBadham the golden rule is not a part of the 10 commandments.
LPH69 1 year ago
I thought Hitler was a Catholic?
KuroiiTenshii 1 year ago
@KuroiiTenshii he was. his writings, speeches, and relationship with the vatican are well known. the idea that he was an atheist is a modern invention of the christian right in the US.
Neeboopsh 1 year ago 22
@Neeboopsh and even if he was an atheist.. it is irrelevant. even if hitler was catholic there are plenty of atheists who have done terrible things, just the same as there are many people with moustaches who have done terrible things. the difference is that it wasn't done in the name of their moustache (or there atheism) unlike religious lunacy which is done solely in the name of god.
(not really saying this to you, i think you are well aware of it already. just adding it on to what you said)
ScotchMonkey08 1 year ago
One thing I don't like about this video is around the 4:30 mark, where you say "higher abortion, higher drug use, higher crime."
Without getting into the pro-life/pro-choice debate, I think it's morally wrong to compare abortion to crime and drug use, (even if you disagree with it) because it's not illegal.
Some people because of their opinion may judge it to be the same (IE, if they're pro-life) but that doesn't make it objectively the same as murder.
bersaba 1 year ago
@bersaba i think the point is that abortion is generally considered to be a not so good thing, even if not immoral (i'm completely pro-choice). the point is that you would expect higher population of religious people to equate to lower rates of abortion, when infact it is the opposite.. as with crime and drugs and whatever. it's not about whether abortion is illegal or immoral or anything, it's just pointing out a trend.
ScotchMonkey08 1 year ago
@ScotchMonkey08
I get your point but I still disagree with it. I don't think there's to many women "running out" to get abortions without serious consideration. To even use it as a measure of immorality is (In my opinion) rather stupid.
bersaba 1 year ago
@bersaba i agree, i don't think abortion is immoral and i don't think that it IS being used as a measure of immorality in this video. it's about pointing out a contradiction. christians claim the be anti-abortion, anti-violence, against intolerance but in all of these cases the more religious people there are around the higher the levels of these things are. if religious people weren't so against abortion then i don't believe abortion rate would be used in the video.. it's to show the hypocrisy.
ScotchMonkey08 1 year ago
@ScotchMonkey08
Ok I can see that. Still doesn't sit right with me, but I see what you're getting at.
bersaba 1 year ago
I found the point about how we should expect to see more atheists in prison laughable. No theist says an atheist can't be moral, they merely say he's being inconsistent with his beliefs. Secondly, it does not follow that we should see more atheists in jail than we do. In fact, the prisoners beliefs should correspond to non-prisoners beliefs. That is to say, there is a very small percentage of atheists in America, thus we should in fact expect a small percentage of atheists in jail.
Tohnrenable 1 year ago
@Tohnrenable
I've heard theists many a time say atheists can't be moral. Infact Ray Comfort says it virtually every time he talks to an atheist. No, that doesn't mean EVERY theist does, but it does happen. Infact George H W Bush considered athesits to not even being American citizens.
Also you're missing the point. Atheists (non-religious) is vastly UNDERNUMBERED in relation to their percentage of population. Using America, 16% is non-religious, and just 0.2% of inmates are.
bersaba 1 year ago
@Tohnrenable If I had a nickle for every time a theist has called me immoral because of ideological differences,I could buy every church in the country. Then I would have a lot of bake sales. MMMM cookies.
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
we consider them to be immoral because we unlike animals have a conscience which God gave us but we also have free will, i could ask you the sme thing, why do we have a conscience if there is no meaning to life we consider it wrong because whether you like it or not you see the blackness of sin and what it is to go against Gods law
stepharnos 1 year ago
@stepharnos Have you any proof god gave us a conscious?
Oh and by the way Hitler was a christian. But whatever his religion, its not even relevant.
markgg1 1 year ago
@markgg1 someone mentioned it earlier so it is relevant and my proof that God gave us a conscience is that why else would we have it, animals don't have a conscience, they just fight for survival, so why would we have an instinct not to commit sin if we are just evolved monkeys
stepharnos 1 year ago
@stepharnos Animals do have conciousness, what are you taling about. Dogs, Cats, Chimps all have personalities, memories, emotions. they feel fear, pleasure just like us.
Even if it were true that we were the only ones with consciousness, it still wouldnt prove god one bit.
Evolution is a fact.
markgg1 1 year ago
@markgg1 but do animals know what is wrong. They know what they will get punished for but that is because they are domesticated, they can have personalities but that dosen't mean that they have a conscience(please spell it right next time) and it does prove God because like it says in the Bible God gave us free will and we have the ability to know what is wrong because we ate from the tree of knowledge that is why we have laws, animals don't, evolution is false
stepharnos 1 year ago
@stepharnos At no single point in the bible does it say god gives free will. Please read your bible again.
Your point makes no sense to me. Dogs know not to eat the steak off the table,a nd can even feel guilty, so your wrong there.
markgg1 1 year ago
@markgg1 a dog knows not to because he knows that he will get punished, a wild wolf would take the steak because he is wild and does it for survival. Also if God didn't give us free will he would never have allowed adam and eve to pick the fruit in the garden, he gave them a choice and they failed, i know my bible i just don't try to twist it to what suites me
stepharnos 1 year ago
@stepharnos I dont see whats so wrong about eating an apple of a tree personally?
Please explain to me why they did so wrong?
markgg1 1 year ago
@markgg1 because they disobeyed what God told them to do which is sin
stepharnos 1 year ago
@stepharnos Well nearly all the christians I know disobey gods commands to stone children and heretics. to not eat shellfish, and to keep the sabbath holy.
So I guess we are all quite fucked.
markgg1 1 year ago
@markgg1 -You know, whenever I bring up this point they just say "Those laws were specifically for the Jews." As if that makes a difference
pandapalace11 1 year ago
@pandapalace11 Agreed, even though Jesus did infact say the law is to be followed fully a dn will never change. I also like to to highlight hell was introudced into the NT not the OT as they all imagine.
To be frank, any behaviour possible could be justified by selective reading of that book.
My favourite messed up bible storey has to be Job's daughters date raping him.
Oh, another one is some guy who had sex than pulled out and came on the floor. Contraception, bible style!
markgg1 1 year ago
@pandapalace11 I think the bible may have been the fist bit of erotica in the world.
sort of like a dirty book for 1st century middle eastern peasents.
markgg1 1 year ago
@markgg1 you clearly know the wrong christians and i'm sorry if you have been misconcieved by them
stepharnos 1 year ago
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@stepharnos Do you stone your children? And if not, why not.
markgg1 1 year ago
@stepharnos Remember your god is all knowing and knew before making anything that they would eat that which he commanded them not to eat. He wants us to defy him so he can punish us? He plans to fight a battle against a creation of his that he can erase with a thought. Using medicine or operations to get well is defying the will of goD and that is why gay children are born. Every time you pop an aspiren, an angel loses its wings. Can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?
ShaggyShagz13 1 year ago
@stepharnos A "wild" human (one free from cultural influence) lacks what we consider a conscience just as much as any other wild animal (humans are animals, too).
A question for you: do you think it's wrong to rape children? If so, why? It's not mentioned in the bible, so are you admitting that certain aspects of our conscience are not given by god? Or do you actually think pedophilia is okay (wouldn't be surprised, considering you're christian)?
fudrick43 10 months ago
@stepharnos you sir are an idiot.
peace, lardo.
lardo444 1 year ago
@lardo444 only to an idiot
stepharnos 1 year ago
I agree with everything you say except for one thing you are inherently wrong on: Hitler was NOT a vegetarian. If you believe that then you are believing an urban myth trumpeted by the Nazi propaganda machine, and showing yourself to be subject to the same delusional weaknesses that theists are.
Hitler's doctor recommended he go veg, but it is well known that his favorite dishes were meat-based, and he also banned vegetarian organizations just like he banned atheist organizations.
rawvegan1 1 year ago
@rawvegan1 Hitler hated christians, he was an atheist
stepharnos 1 year ago
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@stepharnos
"Hitler hated christians, he was an atheist
stepharnos"
Don't we all get tired of this bullshit. Its always the same shit arguments. it's like they are all getting it from the same websites or something.
For fucks sake its well known, Hitler WAS a Roman Catholic.
nolobede 1 year ago
ELVIS LIVES !!!!! xD
Long live the king ! He'll bring us to rock heaven if you believe in him !
cr4yv3n 1 year ago
If you're agnostic then you are not an atheist - 2 different things.
HillmanZ1 1 year ago
@HillmanZ1 This is a common misconception. What it comes down to is this.
Someone asks the question, "Do you believe in any kind of God?" If you answer "Yes," then you are a theist (or a deist).
All others, without exception -- are atheists.
Now, unless, as an agnostic you say, "I don't know whether or not there's a god -- yet I believe there is one" -- then you too, are an atheist, since it isn't required that you specifically *reject* the existence of god, only that *don't* answer yes.
prodprod 1 year ago
I found the best explanation and examples for universal moral human laws and the fact that they have nothing to do with religion, in 'the god delusion'. The example with the railroad tracks and the train aproaching a group of people. That's science not irrelevant stats. check it out
gmorfman 1 year ago
"i'm agnostic"
Ok, so do you think that replaces your atheistic or theistic view? Do you define atheism in such a narrow way? Do you think agnosticism makes any explicit or implicit statement about whether you believe in god or not? (since I was under the impression it was only a statement about knowledge. Thus working on a different axis from atheism and theism.) If so, can you source that sort of definition.
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socrstreets 1 year ago
#1 misconception about theists' criticism of morals:
The argument for God from morals is called the "Axiological Argument." It is more about there being no philisophical grounding for morals without God, not that people don't behave morally, not that morality is derived from the Bible - rather, that morality is something ultimately created by God and that's what makes things fundamentally good or evil.
Of course this argument is severely flawed, but theists will think you've missed the point.
lIThorIl 1 year ago
There are fairly good reasons, to believe that Hitler wasn't catholic, as he publicly claimed.
...but both his public and private words, seems to confirm that he was a theist.
Also,