well your right there aren't all good churches out there that use the money for them selves but it was ment to keep the church and running and give to the needy if there was any left after expenses
@DemoraX Sorry, I was little bit confused about which message was first. No, what I meant was that thise things we'ren't wrong nor evil so it was just good that culture back then we're accepting these rules. And they probably treated slaves wee enough that slavery coulfd be accepted by God. I mean, if people back then had treated slaves really badly, God wouldn't have accept that, even there was a reason why slavery were okay back then.
@DemoraX Uupsie, I missed one of your comments before and that's why I didn't explain that witchcraft thing. Yeah, witchcraft IS true but that doesn't mean that all those people who were claimed to be witch actually was one. And unless you can claim it was God who ordered to people kill al witches in Middle Age or whatever time we're talking about, don't blame Him, okay?
Christians don't guilt people for money. They may ask, but they don't force you, DO THEY. Lol wtf, your videos are just ignorance towards religion! These vids are terrible.
Darn. Im on phone now so I can't see everything I have wrote, so i can't write proper answer. So, MsHyde1 God is source of good moral but NOT ONLY by His Word. That's why you don't have to know Bible to have a good moral, but it can ALWAYS teach people even a beter moral. That's what I tried to tell you.
@DemoraX I really think you atheist are stupid for looking all the bad things about Bible and thinking that they represent Bible`s mainmessages` moral.
I`m a man who wants follow God`s moral, and I do NOT do slavery, rape, infanticide or any other things you just mentioned. Does that means I disobey God`s moral? Let me tell you something: NO IT DOESN`T!
I know what God wants people from nowadays and I know that cruel happenings of OT had their reasons, even thought I can`t explain all
@Antsaboy94 what you just typed made no sense atall...
I listed you a bunch of truly hideous things your god COMMANDS
and you simple reply "he's moral!" and that you dont do any of the things
he commands because he really does'nt want you too follow his commands!
what a total and utter cop out.
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on the other hand you've displayed that you have a far higher moral compass than the fictional tyrant of your books, i suggest you worship yourself instead :)
@DemoraX Some things God commanded people do to back then are not things He want to people to do nowadays, because there´s NO REASON to do those things nowadays. The expection confirms the rule. Killing is usually wrong, but it`s not like it can`t ever be the right thing to do, right? And Bible does agree, that white lies exist.
As I said, I can`t explain everything, but the culture back then may`ve been the reason why slavery WAS acceptable back then, for example.
@Antsaboy94 Yes, that is exactly what it means. God commanded that you stone your child for disobedience. God commanded that you not eat shell fish. God commanded that you not eat the flesh of an animal without a cloven hoof. This also means that you can sell your daughter as a slave, engage in rape, and have more than one wife. If this statement is not true, then the Bible can not be an unerring word from a perfect being.
@mlmtraininfo Maybe it was about EXTREMELY disobedience? We can`t know. At least that gives you more reason to obey, which you should do anyway. And I think culture back then was one big reason how slavery could have BEEN okay. I really can`t explain everything, but that "do not eat these things"-rule was only to people back then. I mean, God didn`t want to THOSE people to eat those things, but still wanted to mention it in the Bible, NOT as a rule for people nowadays, thought.
@DemoraX Maybe it was EXTREMELY disbehaviour. Who knows? At least it gives you more reason to obey, which you should do anyway. Culture back then may be one big reason how slavery could have BEEN okay BACK THEN. Expection confirms the rule. Killing is generally wrong, but it`s not like it can NEVER be the right thing to do, right? Expection confirms the rule. And only reason why such a things could be expections was the situation BACK THEN. So, it doesn`t concern people nowadays.
@DemoraX And most importantly, those things indeed WERE expections. Those things are not what Bible wants people nowadays to still do, because those wouldn`t have no good consequence at all.
So you can`t claim that Bible obeys us to do horrible things, but you can question if some expections actually confirms the rule. We don`t know well enough how things were back then, so those things may not be as wrong as you may think. And again, I can`t explain everything.
Witchcraft is not only fictional. Powers of Evil can give people supernatural powers (even waaay less than you may think I mean), like being able to completly withstand heat of fire. But since these things are from Satan and other fallen angels, it is really bad thing to do even WANT to gain those "superpowers" FROM the Evil.
This is my answer, but I have no idea what it has to do with this. Why you even thought I couldn`T answer to this? o_O
@MsHyde1 As I said, it doesn't matter what do you belive, you can still be a good person. You don't have to know Bible to have good moral, because you would HAD to know and belive in Bible in order tobe a good person. But Bible teaches us how to be even beter person.
Thanks for admitting that god is absolutely meaningless regarding morality and we are either nice and compassionate or maybe not that nice. :) And clearly the evidence shows that believing in the crap you believe is directly related to an unhealthy society and people behaving less nice more often.
Oh and you might want to know that the invisible, pink, sparkly tapeworm actually created the world, original sin and morality. You can't see him but that is the truth.
@MsHyde1 No. Nobody is beter than somebody else. We are all sinners, on the same line. Christians aren't beter than atheist and vice versa. God is the source of all good. All good moral we have, we got from God. Even if we had never even herd about the Bible.
they didn't mention that Darwinism is a tax supported theory that is put in public schools that's mostly mandatory while offerings collected by Churches are usually for humanitarian aid in third world countries.
A christian collecting money for HIV research? He was obviously lying. ^_^ Naive little atheist, they will use your money to promote abstinence only in Africa and increate the HIV infection rates (which actually happened). XD
@Antsaboy94: Christianity is the whole of christians and how they behave and justify their behavior with the bible which is VERY much open to interpretation so yes, you can blame christianity.
And you "personally believe"? How telling. Atheists know more about religion than religious people on average.
@MsHyde1 Well that`s my opinion! You guys blame Bible if somebody does something bad "in the name of God" when actually he/she have just misunderstood something about Bible.
And does Islam want people to go up and blow up nonbelivers or live peacfully, like most of the muslims would want to?
Our differents views of religions makes millions of contradictions like that. If a book sayis something that itself isn`t stupid, then our different actions about it can`t make it stupid, either
@Antsaboy94: People don't misunderstand the bible or quran. That would mean there is only one way to understand those collections of myths. It would suggest that those collection were the epidome of goodness even though they are just collections of myths and some botched "history" of violent men. People simply interpret into those books whatever they want, then claim it is right 'cos it's in the bible and THAT is what religions are made of. You don't get to cherry-pick interpretions.
@MsHyde1 So in short, if there is no one single right way to understand Bible, it cannot be misunderstood?
Then there comes the question IS there only one real way to understand it or not. I`m beliver so I belive there is, but your atheist...
But if we assume that I`m right, then there could be ALWAYS way to explain why Bible does NOT told us to do something evil even some people thinks it does. Wouldn`t that also make Bible good in the case YOU`RE right?
The bible is neither good or bad, it is just a collection of stories and myths, some of which we consider highly immoral and cruel nowadays. People simply interprete this crap in whatever way they want, that is why it does not provide any form of objective moral guidance. In the end the people who form the religion and churches decide. And since there is so much evil in the bible it also is fantastic inspiration for doing evil stuff.
@Antsaboy94: In other words, if YOU take only good things away from the bible, i.e. you are compassionate, respect humans and animals, don't discriminate people based on race, gender and sexual orientation, are not reckless and greedy etc., you are good of your own account because a bad person would simply justify the bad stuff with the bible and would find plenty of support within the bible because it is so open to interpretation.
@MsHyde1 If there was quide to "How to be good" of course it would tell about evilness, how to recognize and avoid it. And nothing done by God`s order is bad, no mater what it is. Bible does NOT justify bad things AT ALL. As it can be misunderstood, it can make people think some things are okay to do, but that`s only misunderstanding, againts the Bible`s true word. Even the perfect message can be hard to completly understand and be used wrong.
Sorry, now I feel better. Man, go and see a shrink, you zombie. I am sorry but there is absolutely zero way to preceive the killing of babies as right. There is zero way to preceive rape, slavery, genocide and the killing of homosexuals, disobedient children, non-christians and people who work on Sundays as good and moral. The bible was not written by god(s), it was written by fucking dudes, you gullable nutjob!
@MsHyde1 Depends on which part of Bible are you refering to. Of course God doesn`t want us to nowadays pelt gays and other sinners with stones, if that`s what you think. It was in Old Testament, right?
Oh, and because it was in the OT it was good and moral? WTF?! It IS in the OT because the people who wrote it and practiced this crap thought it was good to murder homosexuals!
And the bible is NOT perfect, it is a collection of fucked up shit and some useful stuff you can find in a much more refined version in ancient pagan cultures and secular, humanistic values.
@MsHyde1 No, what I meant was that some stuff OT sayis was meant to people back in those days, like 5000 years ago. You are stupid if you think that we should do all those things nowadays, too. Sure there are things like Ten Commandments that we should still obey, but I`m not discussing now about which OT-things we should still do and which not.
so basically you are saying we should just follow our own morals and ignore the evil and primitive stuff of the bible. Congrats, that means you don't need the bible and religion at all. ^_^
OT tells us some history God wants us to know. There are things He have told people back then to do, but if you`re smart enough, you realize that those are things He told to people back then. Bible isn`t telling us to do those things still nowadays. It`s just sayis what God have told people back then.
As I said, there are also things He didn`t meant only for people back then, but for us, people nowadays, too. How can you not understand that?
Again, how does it make a difference that it was back then?! How does it make genocide good just because it was back then? Are you being serious?
"How can you not understand that?"
The bible was written by men. That is all there is to understand about it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand for you. It is full of sick stuff the first jews did and today we have changed and no reject this shit as immoral and don't follow those laws anymore.
@MsHyde1 Times changes, dude. It is not big deal if God had some laws for only people back then.
And Bible may have physically been wrotten by men, but do you think almighty God would fail to send His perfect Word to people? Men maybe wrote it but with Holy Spirit`s INSPIRATION and THAT`S what makes the Bible perfect.
We live in a world which has such a thing as FATE. If everything was coincidental, as you belive, there wouldn`t be any things that were MEANT to happend.
Genocide is not a big deal?! You christians are such good people.
And the shit about the holy spirit is as made up as the other supernatural crap from the bible. Unsupported claims without a shred of evidence. Sorry, but you have to do better than that.
@MsHyde1 No. I didn`t said even indirectly that genocide is not a big deal.
There are things that are true even without any evidences. And if you don`t belive in supernatural things, you create your own theory/view of how the Bible was written/done and accordion to that Bible can not be true nor make sense.
Therefore, the main question is; is there anything supernatural? You don`t belive, but I do. How can we discuss about that?
If you think genocide is not okay then why do you believe in a book that teaches you how god ordered genocide?
"There are things that are true even without any evidences."
And what would that be? You can basically pull anything out of your ass and claim it is true.
And there is no theory of how the bible was written. It is a historical fact that it was compiled during various conciles. The people who compiled the bible documented that.
@MsHyde1 Killing isn`t always right, but there are situations when it is the right thing to do and even God sees it`s okay to kill. Or would it be beter if killing was ALWAYS wrong? And I`m NOT counting on people to know when it`s right situation to kill, so mainly my stance to killing is negative.
And yes, I know the Bible was compiled. Holy Spirit was quiding that part too, as well as He made people wrote the right things. But for you, it was all just a coincidence. That was my point
See? You are saying that genocide was okay. Because there is nothing to justify the genocidal campaigns described in the bible.
And no, it is not a coicidence. What ended up in the bible was a matter of the current political, socio-economical factors as well as the rethorical skills of the speaker. The point it is was 100% human and there was nothing supernatural involved. You just keep claiming this shit without zero evidence whatsoever.
@MsHyde1 Yes, I did. THAT genocide was okay, but if you think that there`s no way to justify something like that, then...I don`t know. You just don`t agree with that.
Okay, it may not be coicidence, but there`s nothing special about it which would make it`s message considerable to you. It`s special for me because I belive in supernatural things as Holy Spirit. Therefore, if I tried to make you understand why the Bible is so special, shouldn`t you belive in supernatural things first?
Yes, I would need to believe in supernatural things to delude myself into thinking the bible is special and good and to shut down my moral values and think that any genocide (and there was NOT just one) is okay. Seriously, wtf? That is why religions are so dangerous. They brainwash people into thinking that genocide is okay, just because the massmurderers claim god told them to do it. I would not let you be around any kids unsupervised.
@MsHyde1 There`s this one person who said that I have a good moral, but defenitely NOT because of Bible. I KNOW that I can thank Bible for my good moral.
So what`s wrong with me? Why haven`t I became evil because of Bible?
You are not evil because you follow your own morals and not those of the bible. But the fact alone that you believe this shit blindly, approve of genocide because the people who committed various genocides claimed god told them to do it, makes you a dangerous person because do we know when you lose your mind completely, hear voices and claim that god told you to kill all those children?
I told you I got this good moral from the Bible. And when I say, it was the Bible where I got my good moral, then how could you say otherwice? Don`t I know where my moral comes from?
And it`s not like Bible tells people do things without a reason. No, it`s exactly the opposite! God knows what is right and what is wrong and He does NOT want us to do anything wrong. He doesn`t want us to kill babies, and you know what? WE DON`T WANT TO KILL BABIES!
In the bible god ordered to kills babies! He ordered endless genocide! You say this is okay. How is that moral? In the end it all comes down to you blindly believing in what primitive, violent men claimed and that is that.
And you good morals don't come from the bible. You simply are okay with the view things of the bible that our modern humanistic morals agree with and ignore all the immoral, sick shit it tells you to do.
Why don't all the atheists in Europe kill and rape 24/7? Quite the opposite, they are less criminal, more peaceful and tolerant and socially responsible. How come they are like that without god? ^_^ Because you don't need a perverted old book to be a good person and are even more likely to be a good person without blind faith in god(s) because blind faith makes people accessable to be used as a tool by people who think genocide is okay by telling you god told them.
@MsHyde1 There`s no good without God and we belivers are bad persons too.
God gives us ALL a good moral, to atheist, too. The good moral is part of us. But the Bible is just a message which we can all see in different ways. If we see it in right way, it`s just and only good thing. But as we all know, many people have done alot of bad things because they only THINK they do as the Bible says, when they actually have just horribly misunderstood it.
Hahaha, priceless! So god just randomly makes everyone good or bad who does not believe in him, different god(s) or never heard of him and never read the bible (like most christians never read it)? Now that makes sense. Brilliant. So basically people are just good or bad and make their own morals building on basic, instinctual morals and there is no sign of god whatsoever but you claim goddidit? Right. *headdesk*
And again, why does pretty atheist Europe has so much lower homicide, rape, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, abortion, divorce and STD infection rates and better social care and less bullying, more compassion for ppl, highest charity per capita rates compared to the oh so religious USA? Why are atheists better people than christians? Looks like pretty bad advertising for god to me. Your god is either really supid, incompetent or in reality plain evil and he deceived you. ^_^
"Atheist Europe? What in the world are you talking about, last I checked Europe is crazy about religion."
Hahaha, when? In the Middle Ages? XD
Western and Northern Europe has some of the least religious countries of the world with 50% to over 80% who do not believe in a personal god. Church attendance is down to less than 10%. Maybe you confused church membership with actual believe in god(s)?
Because some of the most atheist countries here have state churches. For example, here in Germany, had my parents been member of the state church when I was born, I would have automatically become a member of that church as well. Most people are and they are still atheists and just can't be bothered to officially leave the church because no one gives a shit, no one attends service anyway. Religion is pretty much dead or rapidly dying in Western and Northern Europe.
You don't have to make apologies for "god" because it was all made up, done and written by men. Why do you put yourself don't and can't realise that if you are a good person you are a good person out of your own account because the bible does NOT provide any useful moral guidance?
@MsHyde1 As I said, Bible may have been done by men, but only with Holy Spirit`s inspiration. Holy Spirit can make people do many good things. Actually, if God didn`t help us, the sin/Evil could take perfect control over us and we would do nothing but bad things.
You know what? I think you are a troll who parodizes a theist to make fun of me me because no one can that stupid unless he is completely brainwashed and proud of it. XD
One more thing: EU countries with 50 - 80% people who do not believe in a personal god have a much lower homicide, rape, teen pregnancy, abortion, divorce, STD infection, drug abuse and infant mortality rate as well as better health care, social system, education, gay rights etc. than the US. So non-theists do better on all accounts. Plus, barly any atheists in prison.By your logic we should be at least more evil than theists, if not completely satanic. How come? ^_^
@Antsaboy94: So basically you don't need the bible to be good. But even if you would be good without the bible, being indoctrinated into religion can make you do bad things because so many people completely loose their minds and become fanatical, intolerant, hateful..
Why use the bible in the first place if you could be a humanist? The countries with secular, humanistic values are doing best anyway. ;)
@MsHyde1 The Bible is perfect. If we assume that I`m right, it`s moral is perfect and if you go againts it, you do wrong. For me, Christianty is about hollowing the whole Bible. If you only think you do as Bible sayis, but actually go againts it, that`s unchristian-act. Bible`s meaning would be completly different if we assume that YOU are right,but whoever is right doesn`t matter now. For me, this is logical discuss about Bible`s meaning that we both, theist and atheist, can agree with
@Antsaboy94: When it comes to the "morality" of the bible there is no way an atheist can agree with it because it is NOT moral. The only thing I would agree with is the historical fact that the bible was written centuries, even millenia after the so-called events described in it, that it was complied by men who voted on what would end up in the bible and what would be discared, all depending on current political, socio-economical factors as well as rethorical skill of the speaker..
@MsHyde1 The thing is, there was Holy Spirit making sure everything in the Bible would be as God have planned. Afterall, it is His Word. Since you don`t belive it, we can`t discuss about that, but that`s one explaniation how Bible can be so perfect.
.. and there is nothing, absolutely zero truth, objective morality or historical reliablity found it it. The ancient Egyptians had a humanistic moral system worked out at least more than a millenia before Jesus was born (if he ever existed because he suspiciously looks like a mesh-up of ancient pagan 'son of god'-myths) that comes much closer to what we value today so why would I bother trying to do apologetics to myself to filter out the perverse crap from the bible?
@MsHyde1 Bible tells about people nature and how it`s easily controlled by Evil and stuff. You know, people didn`t do any sin before Eve ate that apple. Sin have a great control of all of us, but God can help us fight againts it. God knows what`s good for us and sin makes people do the opposite. One thing Evilness does is prevent us from relazing what`s the truth. We people can`t go againts it by ourselfs, but God can give us the strenght to oppose sin`s temptations.
WHAT? Why would Christians give money to HELP scientific research? Not only do they guilt people, but they lie. And I can't believe the Atheist believed him.
But like I said, I'm just waiting to see what happens, I am not Atheist and am Not christian/catholic, if i die and go to "heaven" than i guess I'm in heaven, but if nothing happens, then nothing happens. Leave it at that, there is no point of arguing, just prove one wrong you both die, and if something happens then i guess God exists.
You don't see babies being born JUST BY THEMSELVES. But which in this case earth is a baby. So what I believe is some higher power created the big bang and meaning, earth and the universe is created. And that higher power is just sitting back relaxing and waiting to see what happens, so what happens happens. And you see pics of Jesus, but not god? That don't make sense. How was Jesus born if Mary never had sex? It's impossible, or else girls who can't have babies and want one, would do the same
@chocolatethundaaa72 That's it? For a minute there I actually thought you might have something to back up your sparkling metaphor. Instead name calling. If you're not smart enough to understand metaphors my suggestion is don't use them.
Now I'm Not a religion... Not atheist, Not catholic/christian etc. I'm just not a religion, because I do believe in some kind of higher power, but not god. Because there is so much conflict between atheist's and catholics/christians that neither makes sense, because if god created earth why is it so bad like economy, catastrophe, war, disaster, etc. If you love something you want to protect it right? But now Atheism that's just stupid space or what not can't happen just by itself. stupid.
Did you ever consider that the money goes to keeping the church going? Buildings aren't free you know. No, god doesn't need your money, but we live in a society where if you want to say something, you need money. Just because people have taken advantage of the system doesn't mean they all do, and besides, no one is making you give money, that's why it's called an offering, not a tuition.
@HereComesThatIndian So god can save people, turn water into wine, part the red sea, create humans, create the ENTIRE universe(That includes buildings) but, he cant help put up one fucking building in his honor? Religion is bullshit its 2012 grow up.
@RapLegendsRelapse What would be the point of the building if a god just gave it to us? A church is a physical representation of the dedication of a religion, an organization of materials to show the appreciation of many and spread their views. Of course there are churches that go over the edge, but there are also atheists like you who give a bad name to anti theists. Is it logical to criticize someone for their beliefs? Probably not because you wouldn't like that, would you?
@HereComesThatIndian When their beliefs brainwash children and cause many to hate who they are it is logical to criticize their beliefs. Their beliefs might cause them to kill somebody with different beliefs than them. It's an idiotic cycle and to defend it is stupid. But i do not criticize i let people be who they want but, when idiots ask for money for some scam involving god i'm not okay with it. Of course there is a few churches that actually need donations but, there are to many scams.
@HereComesThatIndian good point, but there are fake preists who make ppl give money for some silly sermon they made up last night. not to mention "miracle water" and oil and all that nonsense
@Deadmeat703 Yea, that's called a scam. A person can make a scam out of anything, most notably insurance, faulty products, and show business. That's the fault of the individual and the lack of awareness of the world they live in along with a fake priest with good people skills, not to distinguish the merit of the business being manipulated by the person scamming. It's by no means in good taste, but it's reality.
Whenever the church collects money for a charity, it's always a special extra envelope or they announce it, not the usual donation. So obviously, not all that money is going to charity. Know where your money's going before donating.
"The Cambrian Explosion" was seen by Charles Darwin as one of the main objections that could be made against his theory of evolution by natural selection.
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"God is that indefinable something which we all feel but which we do not know." - Mohandas Gandhi
these videos r completely ridiculous! im a christian. u dont have to give money! and >>>>>pastors<<<<<< dont collect the money and buy themselves cars..u 2 r so naive!
Organized religion is a farce upon what humanity is supposed to be. Money is a very impractical way of making a truly better world. Groundwork that's where Jesus made his efforts, mobilized, doing not just saying in one place but all over. He spoke of a universal oneness,he gave it that name,post Scripture is pointing to "God". Just be humane to all, that includes everything you may encounter, try to coexist with society in locality and the global community on a whole which is "OUR" earth.
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@Jonathanedward2010 okay Matthew 10:34-37 is saying that Jesus is not going to go around falsely preaching that he will bring peace, because after his death and ressurection somewhat of a rebellion takes place and many are matryd. So for him to be like yes after me everything will be honkey dorry would be misleading to the people. most of the pharisees who crucified Jesus were in fact preaching that they will bring peace. And the last part means you shouldnt worship other people.
I doubt Jesus would want people just sitting around singing songs and playing dress up. No, he would want people to meet in a park or by a river, but most of all he would want people to do good works. The world would be a better place if Christians actually spent their time at food and homeless shelters rather than sitting in church, which is just to make that person feel better about themself
@123morian Maybe if there weren't a hundred different denominations with 5 churches for every person he wouldn't be so poor. Also, why doesn't god take care of him, it's terrible that god would let one of his servants be in need.
@thegr8pulido. I've never been murdered, polluted, or oppressed by the government. How about the government that educates, helps the needy, provides safety. Yes, some religious groups help people, but not like the government. No religious groups programs like social security or health care.
@MrKGatl Most churches provide an education, most churches that take offering are used to improve the church, for greater worship and better place of operations for such activities like sending missionaries to other country's (where they build churches and provide food and protection and education and faith) some churches also provide some sort of medical help, not often, but sometimes, when I say "Most churches," I mean churches that are true to the Bible, churches can be corrupt , and these
@DukeDouglasTV its your personal decision what you do with your life, I'm just letting you the benefits and cons of people who give their money or time to a TRUE TO THE BIBLE church,
@DukeDouglasTV Also, Pastors and other members of a church have JOBS, being a pastor isn't a paying job, but many are successful in their careers though, our Pastor is a very skilled, and local favorite musician, who earns a lot of money tutoring and playing at events, our youth Pastor is a banker, they both drive nice cars, but not a cent of church funds went towards them.
@DukeDouglasTV Not all Pastors are like that, again I say their are corrupt churches in the world, but people need to open their eyes to the true society of Christians who follow the word of the BIBLE, and not a false prophet who twists and turns biblical scripture around,
@venator96 in some cases, most modern churches actually do help the poor....well in my general area. My friends church feeds the poor every Saturday and Tuesday, I myself am not religious but i wish that one bad apple didn't spoil the bunch. I understand its just not one church but i think you understand what i am getting at.
God don't need no money... The people who work in the church for absolutely no pay needs that money. You know, for things like food, water, gotta get the electric bill in before the due-date too, y'know. Not to mention the charities churches usually hand out to communities/organizations and whatnot.
But really though... Do 1,689 people out of 1,888 really believe in this? I am appalled at the ironic ignorance. I have several Atheist friends that agree with me, too, so I know it's not Atheism.
priachers dont have cool cars. most r poor on normal in money cus the money ppl gives is to pay the bills for the chirch and fieldtrips for kids and stuff.
My priest had a wide-screen television with stereo surround sound and 3 cars out side his big 2-story house. I wonder how much of my mom's money actually went to helping people. Oh well at least I'm out of there.
Good vid, a lot of churches gives food to the poor people or help them, so for me is not wasting my money, still better than give tax to the goverment, at least is voluntary..
Or they could use the money to build a bigger and better church to appease god and maybe, just maybe, he'll be an actual father figure and intervene by feeding his kids.
@TheAratto Its true, some churches do help good causes....BUT, they also help causes in the name of "god." To me, that's wrong and its persuading the most vulnerable people to follow "god". Instead of churches, why can't we have more community centres that contribute to good causes (and in the name of no one!)?
@TheAratto Oh, and I also find it sad that some religious people are only motivated to help the needy because of "god". Why can't they help the needy out of the kindness of their hearts instead of religion?
@OmfgItsHenu It is true that you can`t have morals without the God.
The problem is that some stupid theists doesn`t realizes that God gives you atheist good morals as well as He gives it to us theists. The difference is, we just actually WANT it from Him.
@Cheapshot420420 where I've been voluntary (im in a catholic school, and im not even christian, i believe only in God, and something about jesus) where we go to help, we haven't said the world religion or god in the whole day.. its just help.. and help the others is the 2º commandment, and the first is obvious..
@TheAratto I would rather give my money to the government than some fairy tale believers. How much good would religions be able to do without their own greed. How many times do we need to see ministers in fine suites and expensive cars. Dont forget that all churches operate tax free! What a scam!
@MrKGatl The government that murders, pollutes, and oppresses you is less deserving than an organization that helps people all over the world in my opinion, I am an atheist.
well your right there aren't all good churches out there that use the money for them selves but it was ment to keep the church and running and give to the needy if there was any left after expenses
David85571 5 hours ago
@DemoraX Sorry, I was little bit confused about which message was first. No, what I meant was that thise things we'ren't wrong nor evil so it was just good that culture back then we're accepting these rules. And they probably treated slaves wee enough that slavery coulfd be accepted by God. I mean, if people back then had treated slaves really badly, God wouldn't have accept that, even there was a reason why slavery were okay back then.
Antsaboy94 1 day ago
@DemoraX Uupsie, I missed one of your comments before and that's why I didn't explain that witchcraft thing. Yeah, witchcraft IS true but that doesn't mean that all those people who were claimed to be witch actually was one. And unless you can claim it was God who ordered to people kill al witches in Middle Age or whatever time we're talking about, don't blame Him, okay?
Antsaboy94 1 day ago
Christians don't guilt people for money. They may ask, but they don't force you, DO THEY. Lol wtf, your videos are just ignorance towards religion! These vids are terrible.
kaaayellie 2 days ago
Awesome this is going to aids research score atheists 1 Christians 1
brohoofington 3 days ago
Douche vs. Douche.
orly444 3 days ago
Darn. Im on phone now so I can't see everything I have wrote, so i can't write proper answer. So, MsHyde1 God is source of good moral but NOT ONLY by His Word. That's why you don't have to know Bible to have a good moral, but it can ALWAYS teach people even a beter moral. That's what I tried to tell you.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94 "God is source of good moral" STOP RIGHT THERE.
stoning children to death for misbehaving,
murdering homosexuals for loving eachother,
Slavery, Rape, Genocide, Infanticide, Child Sacrifice, Bloodletting and eternal torture
all of this is commanded in your bible, by your fictional psychopath.
if YOU believe your fictional psychopath is the source of morals then YOU believe all these things are good.
if you dont, then your fictional psychopath is not the source of morals.
DemoraX 3 days ago
@DemoraX I really think you atheist are stupid for looking all the bad things about Bible and thinking that they represent Bible`s mainmessages` moral.
I`m a man who wants follow God`s moral, and I do NOT do slavery, rape, infanticide or any other things you just mentioned. Does that means I disobey God`s moral? Let me tell you something: NO IT DOESN`T!
I know what God wants people from nowadays and I know that cruel happenings of OT had their reasons, even thought I can`t explain all
Antsaboy94 2 days ago
@Antsaboy94 what you just typed made no sense atall...
I listed you a bunch of truly hideous things your god COMMANDS
and you simple reply "he's moral!" and that you dont do any of the things
he commands because he really does'nt want you too follow his commands!
what a total and utter cop out.
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on the other hand you've displayed that you have a far higher moral compass than the fictional tyrant of your books, i suggest you worship yourself instead :)
DemoraX 2 days ago
@DemoraX Some things God commanded people do to back then are not things He want to people to do nowadays, because there´s NO REASON to do those things nowadays. The expection confirms the rule. Killing is usually wrong, but it`s not like it can`t ever be the right thing to do, right? And Bible does agree, that white lies exist.
As I said, I can`t explain everything, but the culture back then may`ve been the reason why slavery WAS acceptable back then, for example.
Antsaboy94 1 day ago
@Antsaboy94 "I can`t explain everything, but the culture back then may`ve been the reason why slavery was acceptable back then"
you're perfectly right,
the bible tells you to murder unruly kids, because its what people thought was acceptable back then,
it tells you to stone people for "witchcraft" because people believed in witchcraft back then,
its almost like the whole thing was written by the people living back then eh? :)
why would a god order exectutions for a fictional crime? (witchcraft)
DemoraX 1 day ago
@Antsaboy94 Yes, that is exactly what it means. God commanded that you stone your child for disobedience. God commanded that you not eat shell fish. God commanded that you not eat the flesh of an animal without a cloven hoof. This also means that you can sell your daughter as a slave, engage in rape, and have more than one wife. If this statement is not true, then the Bible can not be an unerring word from a perfect being.
mlmtraininfo 2 days ago
@mlmtraininfo Maybe it was about EXTREMELY disobedience? We can`t know. At least that gives you more reason to obey, which you should do anyway. And I think culture back then was one big reason how slavery could have BEEN okay. I really can`t explain everything, but that "do not eat these things"-rule was only to people back then. I mean, God didn`t want to THOSE people to eat those things, but still wanted to mention it in the Bible, NOT as a rule for people nowadays, thought.
Antsaboy94 1 day ago
@DemoraX Maybe it was EXTREMELY disbehaviour. Who knows? At least it gives you more reason to obey, which you should do anyway. Culture back then may be one big reason how slavery could have BEEN okay BACK THEN. Expection confirms the rule. Killing is generally wrong, but it`s not like it can NEVER be the right thing to do, right? Expection confirms the rule. And only reason why such a things could be expections was the situation BACK THEN. So, it doesn`t concern people nowadays.
Antsaboy94 1 day ago
@DemoraX And most importantly, those things indeed WERE expections. Those things are not what Bible wants people nowadays to still do, because those wouldn`t have no good consequence at all.
So you can`t claim that Bible obeys us to do horrible things, but you can question if some expections actually confirms the rule. We don`t know well enough how things were back then, so those things may not be as wrong as you may think. And again, I can`t explain everything.
Antsaboy94 1 day ago
@Antsaboy94 usually when you can't explain something it'll turn out to be wrong,
like how you can't answer why a god would order punishment for the fictional crime of witchcraft.
DemoraX 1 day ago
@DemoraX Now I don`t understand your point
Witchcraft is not only fictional. Powers of Evil can give people supernatural powers (even waaay less than you may think I mean), like being able to completly withstand heat of fire. But since these things are from Satan and other fallen angels, it is really bad thing to do even WANT to gain those "superpowers" FROM the Evil.
This is my answer, but I have no idea what it has to do with this. Why you even thought I couldn`T answer to this? o_O
Antsaboy94 1 day ago
@Antsaboy94 "Why did you even think I could'nt answer this?"
i'm sorry i did'nt expect anyone to believe in magic,
but when you make a claim as you did:
"Witchcraft is not fictional" you require pretty incredible evidence to not look like a crazy person :)
DemoraX 1 day ago
@MsHyde1 As I said, it doesn't matter what do you belive, you can still be a good person. You don't have to know Bible to have good moral, because you would HAD to know and belive in Bible in order tobe a good person. But Bible teaches us how to be even beter person.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
Thanks for admitting that god is absolutely meaningless regarding morality and we are either nice and compassionate or maybe not that nice. :) And clearly the evidence shows that believing in the crap you believe is directly related to an unhealthy society and people behaving less nice more often.
Oh and you might want to know that the invisible, pink, sparkly tapeworm actually created the world, original sin and morality. You can't see him but that is the truth.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 true story
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@23NaLi:
Word. Repend or the pink, sparkly, invisible tapeworm will throw you into the pits of hell to burn for eternity!
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 No. Nobody is beter than somebody else. We are all sinners, on the same line. Christians aren't beter than atheist and vice versa. God is the source of all good. All good moral we have, we got from God. Even if we had never even herd about the Bible.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
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ponchred 1 week ago
they didn't mention that Darwinism is a tax supported theory that is put in public schools that's mostly mandatory while offerings collected by Churches are usually for humanitarian aid in third world countries.
mikezzknight 1 week ago
Uhhh....no....the bible is stupid....Matthew 27:52-53....steven king crap
Jonathanedward2010 1 week ago
A christian collecting money for HIV research? He was obviously lying. ^_^ Naive little atheist, they will use your money to promote abstinence only in Africa and increate the HIV infection rates (which actually happened). XD
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Bible didn`t told him to do so, so you can`t blame on Christianity of our (Christians) stupidy.
I mean, I personally belive that atheist only rarely really realize when Christians actually do as Bible says and when not.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94: Christianity is the whole of christians and how they behave and justify their behavior with the bible which is VERY much open to interpretation so yes, you can blame christianity.
And you "personally believe"? How telling. Atheists know more about religion than religious people on average.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Well that`s my opinion! You guys blame Bible if somebody does something bad "in the name of God" when actually he/she have just misunderstood something about Bible.
And does Islam want people to go up and blow up nonbelivers or live peacfully, like most of the muslims would want to?
Our differents views of religions makes millions of contradictions like that. If a book sayis something that itself isn`t stupid, then our different actions about it can`t make it stupid, either
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94: People don't misunderstand the bible or quran. That would mean there is only one way to understand those collections of myths. It would suggest that those collection were the epidome of goodness even though they are just collections of myths and some botched "history" of violent men. People simply interpret into those books whatever they want, then claim it is right 'cos it's in the bible and THAT is what religions are made of. You don't get to cherry-pick interpretions.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 So in short, if there is no one single right way to understand Bible, it cannot be misunderstood?
Then there comes the question IS there only one real way to understand it or not. I`m beliver so I belive there is, but your atheist...
But if we assume that I`m right, then there could be ALWAYS way to explain why Bible does NOT told us to do something evil even some people thinks it does. Wouldn`t that also make Bible good in the case YOU`RE right?
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
The bible is neither good or bad, it is just a collection of stories and myths, some of which we consider highly immoral and cruel nowadays. People simply interprete this crap in whatever way they want, that is why it does not provide any form of objective moral guidance. In the end the people who form the religion and churches decide. And since there is so much evil in the bible it also is fantastic inspiration for doing evil stuff.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94: In other words, if YOU take only good things away from the bible, i.e. you are compassionate, respect humans and animals, don't discriminate people based on race, gender and sexual orientation, are not reckless and greedy etc., you are good of your own account because a bad person would simply justify the bad stuff with the bible and would find plenty of support within the bible because it is so open to interpretation.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 If there was quide to "How to be good" of course it would tell about evilness, how to recognize and avoid it. And nothing done by God`s order is bad, no mater what it is. Bible does NOT justify bad things AT ALL. As it can be misunderstood, it can make people think some things are okay to do, but that`s only misunderstanding, againts the Bible`s true word. Even the perfect message can be hard to completly understand and be used wrong.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! XD *chokes*
Sorry, now I feel better. Man, go and see a shrink, you zombie. I am sorry but there is absolutely zero way to preceive the killing of babies as right. There is zero way to preceive rape, slavery, genocide and the killing of homosexuals, disobedient children, non-christians and people who work on Sundays as good and moral. The bible was not written by god(s), it was written by fucking dudes, you gullable nutjob!
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Depends on which part of Bible are you refering to. Of course God doesn`t want us to nowadays pelt gays and other sinners with stones, if that`s what you think. It was in Old Testament, right?
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
Oh, and because it was in the OT it was good and moral? WTF?! It IS in the OT because the people who wrote it and practiced this crap thought it was good to murder homosexuals!
And the bible is NOT perfect, it is a collection of fucked up shit and some useful stuff you can find in a much more refined version in ancient pagan cultures and secular, humanistic values.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 No, what I meant was that some stuff OT sayis was meant to people back in those days, like 5000 years ago. You are stupid if you think that we should do all those things nowadays, too. Sure there are things like Ten Commandments that we should still obey, but I`m not discussing now about which OT-things we should still do and which not.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
so basically you are saying we should just follow our own morals and ignore the evil and primitive stuff of the bible. Congrats, that means you don't need the bible and religion at all. ^_^
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 No, I didn`t said that.
OT tells us some history God wants us to know. There are things He have told people back then to do, but if you`re smart enough, you realize that those are things He told to people back then. Bible isn`t telling us to do those things still nowadays. It`s just sayis what God have told people back then.
As I said, there are also things He didn`t meant only for people back then, but for us, people nowadays, too. How can you not understand that?
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
Again, how does it make a difference that it was back then?! How does it make genocide good just because it was back then? Are you being serious?
"How can you not understand that?"
The bible was written by men. That is all there is to understand about it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand for you. It is full of sick stuff the first jews did and today we have changed and no reject this shit as immoral and don't follow those laws anymore.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Times changes, dude. It is not big deal if God had some laws for only people back then.
And Bible may have physically been wrotten by men, but do you think almighty God would fail to send His perfect Word to people? Men maybe wrote it but with Holy Spirit`s INSPIRATION and THAT`S what makes the Bible perfect.
We live in a world which has such a thing as FATE. If everything was coincidental, as you belive, there wouldn`t be any things that were MEANT to happend.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
Genocide is not a big deal?! You christians are such good people.
And the shit about the holy spirit is as made up as the other supernatural crap from the bible. Unsupported claims without a shred of evidence. Sorry, but you have to do better than that.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 No. I didn`t said even indirectly that genocide is not a big deal.
There are things that are true even without any evidences. And if you don`t belive in supernatural things, you create your own theory/view of how the Bible was written/done and accordion to that Bible can not be true nor make sense.
Therefore, the main question is; is there anything supernatural? You don`t belive, but I do. How can we discuss about that?
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
If you think genocide is not okay then why do you believe in a book that teaches you how god ordered genocide?
"There are things that are true even without any evidences."
And what would that be? You can basically pull anything out of your ass and claim it is true.
And there is no theory of how the bible was written. It is a historical fact that it was compiled during various conciles. The people who compiled the bible documented that.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Killing isn`t always right, but there are situations when it is the right thing to do and even God sees it`s okay to kill. Or would it be beter if killing was ALWAYS wrong? And I`m NOT counting on people to know when it`s right situation to kill, so mainly my stance to killing is negative.
And yes, I know the Bible was compiled. Holy Spirit was quiding that part too, as well as He made people wrote the right things. But for you, it was all just a coincidence. That was my point
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
See? You are saying that genocide was okay. Because there is nothing to justify the genocidal campaigns described in the bible.
And no, it is not a coicidence. What ended up in the bible was a matter of the current political, socio-economical factors as well as the rethorical skills of the speaker. The point it is was 100% human and there was nothing supernatural involved. You just keep claiming this shit without zero evidence whatsoever.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Yes, I did. THAT genocide was okay, but if you think that there`s no way to justify something like that, then...I don`t know. You just don`t agree with that.
Okay, it may not be coicidence, but there`s nothing special about it which would make it`s message considerable to you. It`s special for me because I belive in supernatural things as Holy Spirit. Therefore, if I tried to make you understand why the Bible is so special, shouldn`t you belive in supernatural things first?
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
Yes, I would need to believe in supernatural things to delude myself into thinking the bible is special and good and to shut down my moral values and think that any genocide (and there was NOT just one) is okay. Seriously, wtf? That is why religions are so dangerous. They brainwash people into thinking that genocide is okay, just because the massmurderers claim god told them to do it. I would not let you be around any kids unsupervised.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 There`s this one person who said that I have a good moral, but defenitely NOT because of Bible. I KNOW that I can thank Bible for my good moral.
So what`s wrong with me? Why haven`t I became evil because of Bible?
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
You are not evil because you follow your own morals and not those of the bible. But the fact alone that you believe this shit blindly, approve of genocide because the people who committed various genocides claimed god told them to do it, makes you a dangerous person because do we know when you lose your mind completely, hear voices and claim that god told you to kill all those children?
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 You are COMPLETLY wrong now.
I told you I got this good moral from the Bible. And when I say, it was the Bible where I got my good moral, then how could you say otherwice? Don`t I know where my moral comes from?
And it`s not like Bible tells people do things without a reason. No, it`s exactly the opposite! God knows what is right and what is wrong and He does NOT want us to do anything wrong. He doesn`t want us to kill babies, and you know what? WE DON`T WANT TO KILL BABIES!
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
In the bible god ordered to kills babies! He ordered endless genocide! You say this is okay. How is that moral? In the end it all comes down to you blindly believing in what primitive, violent men claimed and that is that.
And you good morals don't come from the bible. You simply are okay with the view things of the bible that our modern humanistic morals agree with and ignore all the immoral, sick shit it tells you to do.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 OR I just simply see Bible`s message completly differently than you do.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
Why don't all the atheists in Europe kill and rape 24/7? Quite the opposite, they are less criminal, more peaceful and tolerant and socially responsible. How come they are like that without god? ^_^ Because you don't need a perverted old book to be a good person and are even more likely to be a good person without blind faith in god(s) because blind faith makes people accessable to be used as a tool by people who think genocide is okay by telling you god told them.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 There`s no good without God and we belivers are bad persons too.
God gives us ALL a good moral, to atheist, too. The good moral is part of us. But the Bible is just a message which we can all see in different ways. If we see it in right way, it`s just and only good thing. But as we all know, many people have done alot of bad things because they only THINK they do as the Bible says, when they actually have just horribly misunderstood it.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
Hahaha, priceless! So god just randomly makes everyone good or bad who does not believe in him, different god(s) or never heard of him and never read the bible (like most christians never read it)? Now that makes sense. Brilliant. So basically people are just good or bad and make their own morals building on basic, instinctual morals and there is no sign of god whatsoever but you claim goddidit? Right. *headdesk*
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
And again, why does pretty atheist Europe has so much lower homicide, rape, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, abortion, divorce and STD infection rates and better social care and less bullying, more compassion for ppl, highest charity per capita rates compared to the oh so religious USA? Why are atheists better people than christians? Looks like pretty bad advertising for god to me. Your god is either really supid, incompetent or in reality plain evil and he deceived you. ^_^
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Atheist Europe? What in the world are you talking about, last I checked Europe is crazy about religion.
SirTannen 1 week ago
@SirTannen Was the last time you checked sometime during the dark ages?
Anyway 8 out of the worlds 10 least religious countries are European. I'm guessing he/she mean those...
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@SirTannen:
"Atheist Europe? What in the world are you talking about, last I checked Europe is crazy about religion."
Hahaha, when? In the Middle Ages? XD
Western and Northern Europe has some of the least religious countries of the world with 50% to over 80% who do not believe in a personal god. Church attendance is down to less than 10%. Maybe you confused church membership with actual believe in god(s)?
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@SirTannen:
Because some of the most atheist countries here have state churches. For example, here in Germany, had my parents been member of the state church when I was born, I would have automatically become a member of that church as well. Most people are and they are still atheists and just can't be bothered to officially leave the church because no one gives a shit, no one attends service anyway. Religion is pretty much dead or rapidly dying in Western and Northern Europe.
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
You don't have to make apologies for "god" because it was all made up, done and written by men. Why do you put yourself don't and can't realise that if you are a good person you are a good person out of your own account because the bible does NOT provide any useful moral guidance?
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 As I said, Bible may have been done by men, but only with Holy Spirit`s inspiration. Holy Spirit can make people do many good things. Actually, if God didn`t help us, the sin/Evil could take perfect control over us and we would do nothing but bad things.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94:
You know what? I think you are a troll who parodizes a theist to make fun of me me because no one can that stupid unless he is completely brainwashed and proud of it. XD
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 You`ve misunderstood me and that`s why you think I`m stupid.
I mean, on your last comment you clearly missed my point.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
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@Antsaboy94:
One more thing: EU countries with 50 - 80% people who do not believe in a personal god have a much lower homicide, rape, teen pregnancy, abortion, divorce, STD infection, drug abuse and infant mortality rate as well as better health care, social system, education, gay rights etc. than the US. So non-theists do better on all accounts. Plus, barly any atheists in prison.By your logic we should be at least more evil than theists, if not completely satanic. How come? ^_^
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94: So basically you don't need the bible to be good. But even if you would be good without the bible, being indoctrinated into religion can make you do bad things because so many people completely loose their minds and become fanatical, intolerant, hateful..
Why use the bible in the first place if you could be a humanist? The countries with secular, humanistic values are doing best anyway. ;)
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 The Bible is perfect. If we assume that I`m right, it`s moral is perfect and if you go againts it, you do wrong. For me, Christianty is about hollowing the whole Bible. If you only think you do as Bible sayis, but actually go againts it, that`s unchristian-act. Bible`s meaning would be completly different if we assume that YOU are right,but whoever is right doesn`t matter now. For me, this is logical discuss about Bible`s meaning that we both, theist and atheist, can agree with
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94: When it comes to the "morality" of the bible there is no way an atheist can agree with it because it is NOT moral. The only thing I would agree with is the historical fact that the bible was written centuries, even millenia after the so-called events described in it, that it was complied by men who voted on what would end up in the bible and what would be discared, all depending on current political, socio-economical factors as well as rethorical skill of the speaker..
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 The thing is, there was Holy Spirit making sure everything in the Bible would be as God have planned. Afterall, it is His Word. Since you don`t belive it, we can`t discuss about that, but that`s one explaniation how Bible can be so perfect.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@Antsaboy94
.. and there is nothing, absolutely zero truth, objective morality or historical reliablity found it it. The ancient Egyptians had a humanistic moral system worked out at least more than a millenia before Jesus was born (if he ever existed because he suspiciously looks like a mesh-up of ancient pagan 'son of god'-myths) that comes much closer to what we value today so why would I bother trying to do apologetics to myself to filter out the perverse crap from the bible?
MsHyde1 1 week ago
@MsHyde1 Bible tells about people nature and how it`s easily controlled by Evil and stuff. You know, people didn`t do any sin before Eve ate that apple. Sin have a great control of all of us, but God can help us fight againts it. God knows what`s good for us and sin makes people do the opposite. One thing Evilness does is prevent us from relazing what`s the truth. We people can`t go againts it by ourselfs, but God can give us the strenght to oppose sin`s temptations.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
WHAT? Why would Christians give money to HELP scientific research? Not only do they guilt people, but they lie. And I can't believe the Atheist believed him.
Anthony13USA 2 weeks ago
The Christian is clearly the Mac.
kieranisland 2 weeks ago
But like I said, I'm just waiting to see what happens, I am not Atheist and am Not christian/catholic, if i die and go to "heaven" than i guess I'm in heaven, but if nothing happens, then nothing happens. Leave it at that, there is no point of arguing, just prove one wrong you both die, and if something happens then i guess God exists.
chocolatethundaaa72 2 weeks ago
You don't see babies being born JUST BY THEMSELVES. But which in this case earth is a baby. So what I believe is some higher power created the big bang and meaning, earth and the universe is created. And that higher power is just sitting back relaxing and waiting to see what happens, so what happens happens. And you see pics of Jesus, but not god? That don't make sense. How was Jesus born if Mary never had sex? It's impossible, or else girls who can't have babies and want one, would do the same
chocolatethundaaa72 2 weeks ago
@chocolatethundaaa72 But the earth is clearly a planet, and not a baby. Do rocks have parents? Hmmm...
ponchred 2 weeks ago
@ponchred Don't be a smartass I was using Earth as a metaphor you fucking idiot.
chocolatethundaaa72 1 week ago
@ponchred Look... I'm not against you, nor am i with you but don't be a smart ass....No one likes a smart ass
chocolatethundaaa72 1 week ago
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@chocolatethundaaa72 That's it? For a minute there I actually thought you might have something to back up your sparkling metaphor. Instead name calling. If you're not smart enough to understand metaphors my suggestion is don't use them.
ponchred 1 week ago
Now I'm Not a religion... Not atheist, Not catholic/christian etc. I'm just not a religion, because I do believe in some kind of higher power, but not god. Because there is so much conflict between atheist's and catholics/christians that neither makes sense, because if god created earth why is it so bad like economy, catastrophe, war, disaster, etc. If you love something you want to protect it right? But now Atheism that's just stupid space or what not can't happen just by itself. stupid.
chocolatethundaaa72 2 weeks ago
Did you ever consider that the money goes to keeping the church going? Buildings aren't free you know. No, god doesn't need your money, but we live in a society where if you want to say something, you need money. Just because people have taken advantage of the system doesn't mean they all do, and besides, no one is making you give money, that's why it's called an offering, not a tuition.
HereComesThatIndian 2 weeks ago 2
@HereComesThatIndian So god can save people, turn water into wine, part the red sea, create humans, create the ENTIRE universe(That includes buildings) but, he cant help put up one fucking building in his honor? Religion is bullshit its 2012 grow up.
RapLegendsRelapse 1 week ago
@RapLegendsRelapse What would be the point of the building if a god just gave it to us? A church is a physical representation of the dedication of a religion, an organization of materials to show the appreciation of many and spread their views. Of course there are churches that go over the edge, but there are also atheists like you who give a bad name to anti theists. Is it logical to criticize someone for their beliefs? Probably not because you wouldn't like that, would you?
HereComesThatIndian 1 week ago
@HereComesThatIndian When their beliefs brainwash children and cause many to hate who they are it is logical to criticize their beliefs. Their beliefs might cause them to kill somebody with different beliefs than them. It's an idiotic cycle and to defend it is stupid. But i do not criticize i let people be who they want but, when idiots ask for money for some scam involving god i'm not okay with it. Of course there is a few churches that actually need donations but, there are to many scams.
RapLegendsRelapse 1 week ago
@HereComesThatIndian So i just avoid them all together.
RapLegendsRelapse 1 week ago
@HereComesThatIndian good point, but there are fake preists who make ppl give money for some silly sermon they made up last night. not to mention "miracle water" and oil and all that nonsense
Deadmeat703 1 week ago
@Deadmeat703 Yea, that's called a scam. A person can make a scam out of anything, most notably insurance, faulty products, and show business. That's the fault of the individual and the lack of awareness of the world they live in along with a fake priest with good people skills, not to distinguish the merit of the business being manipulated by the person scamming. It's by no means in good taste, but it's reality.
HereComesThatIndian 1 week ago
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O WAIT, IS IT FOR REAL? LEMME LAUGH EVEN HARDER HSUAHUAHSUAHSHAUHAUSHAUHSUAHSUAHSSUAHUHAUSHAUS
Ironsir 2 weeks ago
GOD WANTS YOUR MONEY
chimneyface 2 weeks ago
@chimneyface churches wants are money. GOD wants us to follow him
chickensaladordie 2 weeks ago
@chickensaladordie well you certainly caught on, except for the GOD thing
chimneyface 2 weeks ago
@chimneyface ok u keep thinking that
chickensaladordie 2 weeks ago
Pastors driving Ferraris? Check out what Francis Chan (mega church pastor and author) drives, fellas. It's a moped.
jugglingcliff 2 weeks ago
@jugglingcliff What about Benny Hinn??? You have been shut up/
shiftyways1987 2 weeks ago
@shiftyways1987 What about him? Who is he?
jugglingcliff 2 weeks ago
Whenever the church collects money for a charity, it's always a special extra envelope or they announce it, not the usual donation. So obviously, not all that money is going to charity. Know where your money's going before donating.
ClubSealing 2 weeks ago
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acejammer888 2 weeks ago
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ISMOPANAMA 2 weeks ago
Lame
daystatewaspe1 2 weeks ago
Interesting how all religions have propaganda showing how they benefit the world. Scientology does it too
magustx 3 weeks ago
My church gave out food to poor people in my neighborhood. I was there because at the time i was very poor.
jayquan15ify 3 weeks ago
@jayquan15ify I bet they kept at least 70 % of the real amount of money. And a lot of churches dont even do that
Yaguacho 3 weeks ago
@Yaguacho You don't know anything.
jayquan15ify 2 weeks ago
@jayquan15ify How do you know?
Yaguacho 2 weeks ago
@Yaguacho What you say makes no sense thats why.
jayquan15ify 2 weeks ago
Wow.... Its sad how far the religious world has taken giving back to God out of context. Thats not what its about.
MightyNateDog 3 weeks ago
these videos r completely ridiculous! im a christian. u dont have to give money! and >>>>>pastors<<<<<< dont collect the money and buy themselves cars..u 2 r so naive!
mitchell1441 3 weeks ago
nice little strawman you got yourself there. I see you don't limit yourself to made up gods but also made up atheists now.
TheRenekruse 3 weeks ago
@TheAratto tax money goes to public schools and teachers....
CChaterkid2003 3 weeks ago
@CChaterkid2003 and infrastructure.
FrisianDude 3 weeks ago
Yea...all religion is crap
Jonathanedward2010 3 weeks ago 24
@Jonathanedward2010 Human stupidy doesn`t make Bible itself stupid.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
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Organized religion is a farce upon what humanity is supposed to be. Money is a very impractical way of making a truly better world. Groundwork that's where Jesus made his efforts, mobilized, doing not just saying in one place but all over. He spoke of a universal oneness,he gave it that name,post Scripture is pointing to "God". Just be humane to all, that includes everything you may encounter, try to coexist with society in locality and the global community on a whole which is "OUR" earth.
timothyplumley 4 weeks ago
Or I just could give the money straight to charity.
TlMPPA 4 weeks ago
Bullshit....ur totally wrong....it is what it says. Ur making excuses. Ur bending the bracket to make it fit.
Jonathanedward2010 4 weeks ago
@Jonathanedward2010 Not sure if sarcasm, or just stupid. (All "evidence" Christians "have," they just bend to make it fit.)
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gasmask4poop 1 month ago
Matthew 10:34-37.....screw jesus.............Matthew 27:52-53.....ridiculous. impossible rubbish
Jonathanedward2010 1 month ago
@Jonathanedward2010 okay Matthew 10:34-37 is saying that Jesus is not going to go around falsely preaching that he will bring peace, because after his death and ressurection somewhat of a rebellion takes place and many are matryd. So for him to be like yes after me everything will be honkey dorry would be misleading to the people. most of the pharisees who crucified Jesus were in fact preaching that they will bring peace. And the last part means you shouldnt worship other people.
LSUBOY41 4 weeks ago
I doubt Jesus would want people just sitting around singing songs and playing dress up. No, he would want people to meet in a park or by a river, but most of all he would want people to do good works. The world would be a better place if Christians actually spent their time at food and homeless shelters rather than sitting in church, which is just to make that person feel better about themself
MrKGatl 1 month ago
@123morian Maybe if there weren't a hundred different denominations with 5 churches for every person he wouldn't be so poor. Also, why doesn't god take care of him, it's terrible that god would let one of his servants be in need.
MrKGatl 1 month ago
my pastor is dirt poor... he is a great man, helping others.
123morian 1 month ago
@thegr8pulido. I've never been murdered, polluted, or oppressed by the government. How about the government that educates, helps the needy, provides safety. Yes, some religious groups help people, but not like the government. No religious groups programs like social security or health care.
MrKGatl 1 month ago
@MrKGatl Most churches provide an education, most churches that take offering are used to improve the church, for greater worship and better place of operations for such activities like sending missionaries to other country's (where they build churches and provide food and protection and education and faith) some churches also provide some sort of medical help, not often, but sometimes, when I say "Most churches," I mean churches that are true to the Bible, churches can be corrupt , and these
DukeDouglasTV 1 month ago
@DukeDouglasTV churches give us a bad name, were not all like the churches that use church funds for personal gain, or preach a false gospel.
DukeDouglasTV 1 month ago
@DukeDouglasTV its your personal decision what you do with your life, I'm just letting you the benefits and cons of people who give their money or time to a TRUE TO THE BIBLE church,
DukeDouglasTV 1 month ago
@DukeDouglasTV Also, Pastors and other members of a church have JOBS, being a pastor isn't a paying job, but many are successful in their careers though, our Pastor is a very skilled, and local favorite musician, who earns a lot of money tutoring and playing at events, our youth Pastor is a banker, they both drive nice cars, but not a cent of church funds went towards them.
DukeDouglasTV 1 month ago
@DukeDouglasTV Not all Pastors are like that, again I say their are corrupt churches in the world, but people need to open their eyes to the true society of Christians who follow the word of the BIBLE, and not a false prophet who twists and turns biblical scripture around,
DukeDouglasTV 1 month ago
christians build giant churches
and the poor are starving on the streets
venator96 1 month ago
@venator96 in some cases, most modern churches actually do help the poor....well in my general area. My friends church feeds the poor every Saturday and Tuesday, I myself am not religious but i wish that one bad apple didn't spoil the bunch. I understand its just not one church but i think you understand what i am getting at.
JakeAoTK 1 month ago
I like that these videos aren't all one sided :)
DawnOfTheSmurfs 1 month ago
im not sure what the point of this was
trisoutlaw86 1 month ago
God don't need no money... The people who work in the church for absolutely no pay needs that money. You know, for things like food, water, gotta get the electric bill in before the due-date too, y'know. Not to mention the charities churches usually hand out to communities/organizations and whatnot.
But really though... Do 1,689 people out of 1,888 really believe in this? I am appalled at the ironic ignorance. I have several Atheist friends that agree with me, too, so I know it's not Atheism.
LeonardAndHisBiscuit 1 month ago
the church has given my dad money numerous times when he was homeless. and yes, i am not bullshitting you.
haterskeephatin101 1 month ago
Okay. i'm thinking for myself and i think that is a bunch of crap. have respect for other peoples beliefs !
breamarie93 1 month ago 2
Pastors to need paid buddy.
TristanTroll 1 month ago
Iv NEVER seen a pastor driving a Ferrari.
USF1087 1 month ago 2
Lol. Last comment was hilarious!
socalcyclist91 1 month ago
lol pastors do not drive Ferraris lol trust me most of them have to hold two jobs
thekoolaidman156 1 month ago
Matthew 27:52-53....ridiculous
Jonathanedward2010 1 month ago
priachers dont have cool cars. most r poor on normal in money cus the money ppl gives is to pay the bills for the chirch and fieldtrips for kids and stuff.
SHADOWhawk6697 1 month ago
i think he meant 'well I'm collecting for AIDS research', subtly different.
Lunji 1 month ago
My priest had a wide-screen television with stereo surround sound and 3 cars out side his big 2-story house. I wonder how much of my mom's money actually went to helping people. Oh well at least I'm out of there.
soulessENERGY 1 month ago
Good vid, a lot of churches gives food to the poor people or help them, so for me is not wasting my money, still better than give tax to the goverment, at least is voluntary..
TheAratto 1 month ago 34
@TheAratto spineless scum, you seem to make your generalizations seem all the more true, God bless you.
DistortedV12 1 month ago
@TheAratto
Or they could use the money to build a bigger and better church to appease god and maybe, just maybe, he'll be an actual father figure and intervene by feeding his kids.
mclovinakapascal 1 month ago
@TheAratto Who knows where your money goes when pedophilic priests/popes get your money. It's better if you donated the money DIRECTLY to charity...
TheVukadin 1 month ago
@TheAratto Its true, some churches do help good causes....BUT, they also help causes in the name of "god." To me, that's wrong and its persuading the most vulnerable people to follow "god". Instead of churches, why can't we have more community centres that contribute to good causes (and in the name of no one!)?
searats20 1 month ago
@TheAratto Oh, and I also find it sad that some religious people are only motivated to help the needy because of "god". Why can't they help the needy out of the kindness of their hearts instead of religion?
searats20 1 month ago
@searats20 yeah, how is it morally correct to help others for just the reward?
and theists claim you cant have morals without a god
-.-
OmfgItsHenu 1 month ago 7
@OmfgItsHenu It is true that you can`t have morals without the God.
The problem is that some stupid theists doesn`t realizes that God gives you atheist good morals as well as He gives it to us theists. The difference is, we just actually WANT it from Him.
Antsaboy94 1 week ago
@TheAratto lol yea, and many of them hold the meal hostage until you listen to their spiel about jesus
Cheapshot420420 1 month ago
@Cheapshot420420 where I've been voluntary (im in a catholic school, and im not even christian, i believe only in God, and something about jesus) where we go to help, we haven't said the world religion or god in the whole day.. its just help.. and help the others is the 2º commandment, and the first is obvious..
TheAratto 1 month ago
@TheAratto I would rather give my money to the government than some fairy tale believers. How much good would religions be able to do without their own greed. How many times do we need to see ministers in fine suites and expensive cars. Dont forget that all churches operate tax free! What a scam!
MrKGatl 1 month ago
@MrKGatl Actually i never see that. i do see more incidents in the catholic church though. Agreed?
JakeAoTK 1 month ago
@MrKGatl The government that murders, pollutes, and oppresses you is less deserving than an organization that helps people all over the world in my opinion, I am an atheist.
thegr8pulido 1 month ago
@TheAratto You could just cut out the middle man and donate your money directly to causes that would help the poor or feed them.
jobthatsme09 1 month ago
@TheAratto youcan donate it directly and not have the church take their cut.
ante9224 1 month ago