Darcus Howe & Richard Seymour on UK Massive Social Unrest and Riots (Democracy Now!) 1 of 2

[KILLWRONGDOERS]

papa i cant count dont know how many

really really everyone with a right mind knows why theres stop and search

EVERYONE KNOWS MR HOWE STOP TELLING US RUBBISH ON TV

[TheBrownUn]

whats a coco shunter?

[tag1989]

hahahahahha darkus chatting shit lolololol

[OriginalJoseyWales]

so murdoch is responsible for the riots - :(

[salahuddin786]

It is the Police that CAUSED the SPARK which ignited the Riots and Insurrection.

They will get this MESSAGE. Kill ONE Black you get THIS MASS RIOTS.

I BET THEY HAVE LEARNT A VERY VERY HARD LESSON.

POWERTO THE PEOPLE.

[salahuddin786]

Asians would LOVE to go back to India

Blacks would love to go back to Africa

BUT the white man has looted and plundered their lands and now it is the time for the Arabs - so they try to loot their OIL....but as the white man is on the verge of collapse in the Lands of Oil ...they are now fukd.

Their TIME IS UP.

FINISHED.

4 Years and we will witness a collapse of the West and the Rise of Asia

[chillipeanuts]

police arent harsh enough on jigs.

[rockcityaudio]

an old nigger stuck in the 80,s and a wigger.

[nerblebun]

What ? A criminal with a gun ? I thought the British government made it illegal for it's citizens to have guns.

[WannaExpressYourSelf]

democracy? LOOL! That dosent exist.. Its just majority dictatorship..

[SKdaSilva]

the way a lot of people talk means they are so able to accept the story told by the police, the same police that told us that charles de menezes was a terrorist after they shot him 8-9 times in his face!? i'll believe what i'll believe thanks

[Ndugu82]

Insurrection my fucking arse! Lets get this straight, Mark Duggan was a Gangster, crack cocaine dealer with a loaded gun. He got shot by police, so fucking what! These riots have not been about that, and they have not been about an unfair treatment of the black community. Its time people like mr Howe took on some accountability for their own bad behaviour. Shame on both of these guys

[kalicok1]

@Ndugu82 U bought crack of him? U seem to know more than the feds, u anal passage

[Ndugu82]

@kalicok1 No I've never personally bought crack off him. I don't claim to know more than the police either, I got my information from The Guardian which is quite a liberal paper. I'm sure the man had good qualities as well as being a gangster and a drug dealer but unfortunately if you live that lifestyle you risk getting shot. I realise you were just trying to gob off at me but I personally don't have any sympathy for such characters.

[iamidris]

@Ndugu82 I do not know where you are, but in the UK we are supposed to have due process of the law, not summary execution.

[Ndugu82]

@iamidris I live in London and I hear what you're saying but the police are allowed to shoot if they are in serious danger which they say they were. Now you weren't there at the shooting and neither was I so you cant call it an execution and I cant say the policeman was definitely in fear of his life. From a moral standpoint however I'd rather believe a cop than a drug dealer.

[iamidris]

@Ndugu82 As you say, neither of us was at the scene. Also, neither of us is privy to the evidence that he was a drug dealer. Or that he was armed. We now know that he did not fire at the police, contrary to initial reports. It is not the first time that an innocent man has been shot, but you assumed his guilt and implied that he deserved therefore to die. i do not know the rights and wrongs, but neither do you. The police have been known to lie - as many high profile cases have shown.

[Ndugu82]

@iamidris Hi again. Yeah you're right, I did assume his guilt and that's because I have more trust in the police in this case. That's purely based on what I have seen and read so far which I have no reason to doubt. Now the police never actually said he'd fired at them first, the media reported that he had prematurely during the initial confusion of the incident. The ipcc have confirmed he had a loaded gun. I honestly don't think he deserved to die but I do believe the police on this one.

[iamidris]

@Ndugu82 You may well be right to believe the police. However, if the rule of law means anything it means that the police must adhere to the same, if not higher, standards of behaviour as the rest of us. Recent events, not least the Murdoch fiasco, reveal that - often - they do not meet this expectation. To say, as you did, "so fucking what" about the death of anyone before the full facts are known seemed to imply that the police should be given carte blanche. I am glad you do not believe this

[Ndugu82]

@iamidris There is bound to be a corrupt minority in the police force or for that matter in any organisation. I'm not arguing that the police have never done wrong. With regards to this incident I don't think an injustice has taken place. I said "so fucking what" because I don't feel sympathetic towards this man and believe his choice to be a criminal led to his inevitable, premature death.

[creedstat]

fuck the police and the so called patriot act..which is beyond unpatriotic....terrorists my ass more like tyrannical governments quelling descent and the peoples right to peaceful protests

[Relugus]

Its no coincidence that Judges and Policeman get the most generous pensions from the ruling class.

[kiwitedferny]

'Collective - issues - Conciousness - Spiritual freedom - Execution - Murderous weapon' What a complete oxygen-waster. Much easier to blame the Police who are trying to enforce the law than ask the questions about the systemic criminality of black youth in the UK.

[s0cietysreject]

@kiwitedferny I'd say this is just merely exposing a side of the issue that isn't being talked about enough. People are so quick to condemn the riots, justly so, that I don't hear many people considering the driving factors leading to it. Ask yourself, how would you feel about the police if they had repeatedly searched you without cause? How would you feel when the things you thrive on are being pulled from under you by the government as is the case in Britain? People steal because they're poor.

[Relugus]

@kiwitedferny You are aware of the police's incestuous relationship with Murdoch and the tabloid press, which stinks of corruption and is arguably treason. Murdoch is a foreigner, the police toadying to him is treason, pure treachery. We know the police have used their resources, funded by the taxpayer, to serve grubby tabloid hacks.

The police did nothing when Milly Dowler's phone was hacked, they helped News International to cover it up by closing the investigation.

[johovo]

how un bias.......

[bweazel]

An MP5?! What the hell were they doing walking around the streets with submachine guns?!

[4teepee]

The rioters and looters know it would cost their lives to attack the neighborhoods and communities of the prosperous and powerful. They attack the vulnerable instead.

[Afootchip]

@jdanielstr you really are a stupid..learn to respect black and white people...you don't want to end up like Hitler and his gay racism now do you?

[RedGaribaldi]

Once again DN! steps in where the BBC and Sky News continuously fail. Thank you.

If only there was a DemocracyNow! 24 hour news channel!

[mispistoleros]

is amy goodman a left-wing gatekeeper?

why the silence on 911? why no spots with the many who view 911 as an inside job?

this Sept. 11, Burn the 911 Commission Report

[ufo5147]

I agree that the riots likely represent a sort if "insurrection" on the part of the poor, abused, and voiceless. though I do think it's a shame that their anger is so misdirected.. I understand what it is to be poor and steal, and that these people can't get jobs and nothing is being done for them, and in fact (as in the US) the government is moving in the direction of austerity and cutting imp. social programs while the plutocracy gets richer.. so yea, aim your anger at the plutocracy

[mdna72]

@ufo5147 of course it is midirected they don't have the means too have a targeted response if they do then their will be a civil war.they did outwit the police with their blackberry's

[ufo5147]

@mdna72 I don't necessary mean that they should burn down the banks per se, though I would hardly despair.. a very large but forceful & unmissable peaceful protest with a message would be much more effective, at least at this point, then again I'm not in a situation in which my life feels potentially threatened by authority.. but if things continue the way we do a possibly violent revolution could end up being the only hope.. here in the US we still have a chance, but the opportunity is closing

[M1ggins]

@ufo5147 lol, you have no idea, they organised it by Blackberry, these people aren't poor, most arrested have jobs. not a single 'rioter' even shouted at the police, they just went down the road smashing up the asian owned shops and robbed them, and I know cos I sa w it start here. (I chose a bad time to go out for milk)

[usy444u]

it all coming out now.

[myfist01]

Holy crap, this news will fuel what is now an uprising.

The police can't crack down because they don't want to look like Syria. Call for the Prime Minister to step down.