This is why anyone who doesn't like the school should not go. Fuck you jewish bitch. If you don't like it, go away, if not deal with it, shut up and then come home and practice YOUR religion. Don't push your beliefs and get shit taken off the money just because it doesn't suit YOU!
@GiovanniTh3Great or you can try to change things for the better but your retarded brain probably wont even see that atheism is an improvement so i rest my case.
the difference between atheists and theists is that theists need an eternal punishment as motivation to do the right thing,
atheists do not they do that because they can think for themself.
and not all atheists are good but same goes for theists actually if you look at prison pop. than youll see alot more theists there.
@ralfjacobs and the atheist population in america for instance is higher than what you think it is. look it up i dont have the exact number but i thought it was around 40%
prison population doesnt even get close to 5 % atheist if you look at it like that than atheists are the better people here.
Why does this girl even get the time of day? She's not even old enough to drink, her opinion is not relevant. Everybody feels isolated to some extent while her age...go join a sports team or cheerleading squad. How tough is that? Instead she takes up some righteous crusade oblivious to hypocrisy that her actions are strikingly similar to a religious zealot. Since when did catering to whiny self-righteous kids become the job of the justice system?
technically Christmas isn't even a christian holiday originally, it was a holiday to celebrate the winter solstice in the northern hemisphere. i mean sure people think it is because Christianity claims that their savior was born on December 25th, but quite a few religions also claim that their god was born on that day as well
@Irock901000: If you say that there is no God, then do something about it! It is time that all atheists take a stand against religious organizations, reigious holidays and make God illegal. All of you atheists need to take a stand and separate America from what you call fantasy. If you do not do anything, then you can not say that there is no God.
@patsaxon But then that would make atheists no better than religious oppressors. You'd be infringing section 2 of the Charter (or whatever you Amerifats have). Separate church from state; don't criminalize religion. Are we going to send every Christian and Muslim to jail now?
@patsaxon I think I'm going to take a stand and say atheism being pushed in my face on the youtube is horribly uncomfortable. I'm going to start a cause to make atheism illegal on the internet, and eventually throughout the world. Atheists are what is wrong with the world today, tomorrow, and yesterday. Down with these illogical fools!
What an attention whore. She clearly is not being oppressed. This isn't fucking Texas or Saudi Arabia. The word Christmas has the word "Christ" in it. Are we going to piss ourselves now?
@Crobat87 christmas is a christian holiday and has nothing to do with school or any kind of government. the fact that anything religious is in a school, which is most likely funded by the government, is unconstitutional because it is mixing religion and government.
Fun fact: 'In God we trust' was added to coinage in 1862 by the Union as a psychological tactic against the Confederacy, basically saying that God was on their side. IIRC, the dime was the last monetary piece to gain the motto when the Roosevelt dime was introduced.
@Sorflakne funny, from the reading i've done it was added when money and gold stopped being interchangable. (i.e. you couldn't walk into a bank and exchange a $50 for $50 in gold.) the value was implied.
@cirelancaster Being offensive isn't the point. It's unconstitutional to have anything supporting a particular religion in public schools, which is why the law suit stands.
I hope that you have won this legal case and please do not stop! Keep going at it, as you need to get as may of your athiest followers to make God illegal! Make sure that you ban the bible, have churches remove their crosses, and also make them pay taxes owed to the U.S. Government too! Make sure that no religious music gets any air play and then you will answer to God in the end, as there is no hope for you! Burn in hell and suffer too!
@patsaxon thats not what she is trying to do. she is simply pointing out something unconstitutional. shes not trying to "make god illegal" shes trying to get it out of government, a place where it doesnt belong. fyi god doesnt even exist.
I kinda agree with her , Im atheist myself and I dont believe in anything because I dont need it. But when Isee something religious it doesnt even bother me ,and the reason for that its because I believe that everybody can believe in whatever they want to believe while they dont push it into my brain. I think christian of whatever belief you have should respect our ideals as we respect theirs .
@ladani2007 i respect your statement. i think she shouldnt have taken it to the point where she files a law suit against the school. easier to transfer schools, am i right? she doesnt own the school and she doesnt have the right to dictate what goes on in the school based on her preferences. and i am a christian.
@Nxandy12 It's a public school. Supposed to be secular by law (for good reason). Your opinion on it is irrelevant. It should be removed. For moral and legal reasons.
@MrDjentalman if it is removed to please very few children who attend the school, how will other christian and catholic children feel about that? they would feel ostracized just how this young lady is feeling. i understand why she would want to take it down but she could just sign a petition of all athiests to take it down and not bring it to a law suit
@Nxandy12 I know you are a christian from that retarded statement. The whole point of public school is that it takes no sides and is free from religion. How about we install atheist values in a catholic school and say well you dont own the school too bad just move. how ignorant you sound. she should take it all the way. remove god out of the dollar bill remove him from everywhere. how about we shoot all christians...if you dont like it...its easier to move countries, am i right? thats your logic
@MilkyCamps public schools are actually made for children who cannot afford private schools or dont choose to go there. they are provided by the government and from our taxes to ensure that every child has a school to attend. THAT is the point of public school. your statement proves to me how much you lack education and how selfish you are of others and your own intelligence
@Nxandy12 I lack intelligence because i think it is wrong to put religion in public schools. The US Supreme Court ruled against mandated daily school prayer in any public school because it is a showing of faith and therefore excludes others in a school meant to be free of religion. Im selfish because I dont want a little girl to feel unwelcome in school and not want her to have to move schools and lose her friends because she "dosnt like it" people like you are the reason we look down on the U.S
@MilkyCamps you are selfish because you look at the wants of the minor population of atheists instead of both the major population of catholic/christian and minor population of atheist. obviously you would think this way because you are atheist yourself. you're the same atheist that would say abortion is perfectly fine simply because you dont want the baby born. she brought up this law suit and i am saying, if it is that serious to go to court over it, it would be easier to change schools
@Nxandy12 Great. Im am so happy with that comment. I assumed your logic was invalid and now i have confirmed it. Therefore I need not argue with you anymore after this point. So assuming that you agree with "because there are more of them it is wrong to go against it" then I safely assume you were all for slavery, am i correct on that? The blacks were a minority and their wants should not be equal to those of the majority. LMAO but 'i lack intelligence' what a stupid thing to say haha
Why should she have to change schools to avoid being indoctrinated by something which is unconstitutional? She owns the school as much as anyone else does. It is entirely more selfish to demand that she either put up with it or leave than it is for her to say that she should not be forced to endure it.
The right to practice religion does not grant the right to impose it upon others. This is why we fight you; you refuse to respect our right to not share your beliefs and persecute us.
@RageAgainstNWO Or Allah. Or Buddah. Or Krishna. Or Shiva. Or Amaterasu. Or Thor. Wait, couldn't you someday stand before them? That is just as much of a likely possibility. Oh goodness, what are you to do? The possibilities are endless of who you might stand before. Then again, you probably won't be standing at all. It's kind of tough to do after you die.
The only time I want to hear religion spoken about in public schools is in the form of the Pledge and in terms of discussing history. Religion is a part of history so as long as my teachers don't go all religious on me, I'm fine. As for the Pledge. My school allows people who don't agree to the wording of the Pledge to just stand in respect for the nation rather than the religion, so I don't worry as much about it.
Christianity was the foundation of this great nation. The first amendment says it will not make a law to establish a religion. it also says that the government will not prohibit. I think this is exactly what the little girl is trying to do. prohibit the free exercise of religion. However, she is not attacking the constitution, she's making it personal, like she's a victim. tlk about a cry for attention. grow up.
@marineboy090 If Christianity was the foundation of this nation, why were most of the founding fathers Deist? Thomas Jefferson clarified what the first amendment meant in a letter. The term "separation of church and state" originates from this letter. I think you're the one who needs to grow up and realize that not everything is in line with your faith. What if I said civilization was founded on Sumerian beliefs, the earliest recorded religion? Guess we have to go by their rules, don't we?
@NoxVulpes my main point here is that the pilgrims came here for religious freedom. something that is slowly going away because people like this young girl wants everything her way or no way. Notice how she makes it personal. She dosnt care about anyone else but her. if she dosnt believe in god, then why should she care? like i said, people like her are prohibiting the freedom to exercise anyone's religion that goes against her beliefs.
@marineboy090 Everyone is free to express their own religion, they have that freedom. But the problem is when religious messages are written in public services paid by both religious and non-religious people's taxes. How would you feel if there were muslim prayers in your school or workplace?
@MrMcMan123321 not only do they have the freedom to express, but also the freedom to exercise. I have no problem with people praying to the god that they choose. It only makes me more proud to be an American knowing that im not gunna get killed for doing so. plus, i could use the same argument against you that you used. parents dont want kids to learn the gaps and problems of the evolution theory when there are. and dont want kids to even think about Intelligent design. (continued
@MrMcMan123321 This means that kids' education is being limited to biased beliefs that has arguments against it. This means that kids are being taught things that people disagree with and is being payed for by them. so exactly how is this fair or just? its not, its hypocrisy and it hurts me to see that people are so self centered. "i dont believe it so im going to make sure no one opposes me by suing them"
"It only makes me more proud to be an American knowing that im not gunna get killed for doing so."
Name one western nation in which the same would not be true. It's not an American virtue; it's a secular virtue.
"This means that kids' education is being limited to biased beliefs that has arguments against it."
No, it means that children are being taught our best scientific understanding of the world around us; an understanding which has ZERO challengers in any field.
See, this is the fundamental difference between the argument you are making an an intelligent one: if the study of evolution (and thus modern biology, which is based upon it) were discussing intangibles, such as the supernatural, then yes, such things are a function of belief/faith. Everyone is entitled to their own theories about that matter.
But, it's not. It's the study of a fact of our natural world, and the ONLY theory which fits what reality presents to us. That's why it's called science.
So no, it's not the same as people being 'fed biased beliefs'; it's people being educated in the science of biology, instead. The two are not equivalent.
"its not, its hypocrisy and it hurts me to see that people are so self centered"
What's more self-centered is to condemn someone for standing up for themselves and refusing to conform to a social trend (such as religion) which has been imposed on them, just because it's YOUR faith that is being imposed.
See, you are perfectly free to spend your time exercising your religion as you see fit, in your own time, at your own expense, and with all due privacy, What this girl is suing for does not interfere with that AT ALL.
Only someone with a vested interest in preserving the imposition of the religion could be opposed to her demands -- if you truly don't care (as you profess when asked about Islamic equivalents), then what's the problem, hmm?
But you do care, don't you? ;) It's YOUR religion.
And because it's your religion, you feel it should be protected by the state. Except, that's not at all what the First Amendment grants. The First Amendment grants that the state shall not prevent you from practicing your religion; that's it. It doesn't extend state protection to your religion.
Indeed, it explicitly states that the state shall NOT respect any establishment of religion. There are zero constitutional grounds for opposing this girl's demands.
@NoxVulpes would i excited about it? probably not. would i sue the school or whoever over it? absolutely not. Im more mature than that. I have respect for the belief of others. I dont need to pull them down so i can feel good about myself and my spirituality. put up a hindu god. To me its just a statue. to others its a god. who am i to judge?
"my main point here is that the pilgrims came here for religious freedom."
The pilgrims did not found this nation. Are you forgetting the fact that America was settled as European colonies first? The United States of America was founded as a secular nation, rebelling against the religious aristocracies of the Old World.
This girl is not prohibiting anyone from exercising their religion; merely opposing the imposition of that religion upon her. She's the persecuted one.
@marineboy090 I don't know this girl's true intentions (don't know the whole story), but I agree with her as far as public services remaining religiously neutral. With privately owned services, or any other service funded and supported by people with a certain belief with the intention of exercising it within those boundaries, I don't worry as much.
@marineboy090 Just to add, I do agree that since Christianity and other religions played a large role in the past, public schools should be allowed to mention them when discussing history, as long as they leave the dedication to theirs away from students who may believe differently.
This is fukking bullshit, I dont understand why I cant seek scientific truth and still practice or respect religion? freedom of religion is democratic right. Science creates stability. This opinion war is crap and its bringing only shit to both science and religion. Science doesn't have to be arrogant, Religion doesn't have to be oblivious. Stop the war you retards.
I am atheist and I disagree. They are just words that make some people feel better. I am big enough to ignore it and not take it as a personal attack on my belief. I damn sure not throwing away any money because it mentions god. Atheists should be smarter than this.
@CerebrumPedere The looking away example is one I disagree with. If you saw someone being raped, would you just ignore it? I know that this is an extreme example, but while the banner having those words on it is not as harmful as rape or theft, it is still in violation of the law. Also, I take side of the argument that people did not really care about this banner until it was challenged, more than likely, so they ignored it as well.
I see no reason for what she is doing. If she doesn't like what's written on the banner, then don't read it. That simple. No need to try and force its removal. To force your ideals onto others... wait, I thought that's what religion did.
That's B.S. this has just turned into a country where the minority rules instead of the majority and where anytime someone sees a way to sue they will. Its pathetic.
@JuanchoMan Read the comment and use logic. When voting the winning majority pass the laws and elect representatives. When one person of 300 million and an activist judge say piss on what the vast majority wants or believes then the system isn't working. I'm not saying don't protect or respect all. Do that but if your in that tiny minority and your forcing the rest to do your will who's being intolerant?
@JuanchoMan P.S. Also if you read the Constitution and founding documents they were not meant to keep religion out of the government. The Bill of rights mentions god 4 times. The idea was to keep us from having 1 state sponsored religion. A lot of people like this girl attack Christians and Jews but if this suit was filed by her today saying that Muslims praying 5 times a day in school was distracting she'd be ostracized by the media and ACLU instead of praised.
@JohnDoe4612 "I'm not saying don't protect or respect all. Do that but if your in that tiny minority and your forcing the rest to do your will who's being intolerant?" by stating this you are attempting to make the christian majority the victim when in fact they are in the wrong here, the point she was trying to make is that it is a PUBLIC school and what the majority of the students believe (or more accurately what their parents taught them to believe) doesn't enter into it.
@JuanchoMan I see you totally ignored my point about how if she had sued a Muslim for praying in class during the school day and how that made her feel uncomfortable (which would have made more sense considering the child would be doing an action in front of her and not something being in type) then the reaction to the suit would have been the polar opposite. But when its a Christian or a Jew its OK because we are the majority. Well I'm sorry but that's crap. Shes just lawsuit happy.
@JuanchoMan You also ignored the point which if you know History and the Constitution you can't argue with which is Just because its public school doesn't mean you can't have faith in the school The word God doesn't refer to Catholicism or Judaism, Islam or any specific religion. It simply refers to a deity and the idea of separation of church & state. if you know what your talking about is that there shall be no state sponsored religion & that the gov't won't hinder your practice of your faith.
@JuanchoMan That's what I find funny about this. The gov't which is not supposed to hinder you from practicing your faith and promoting another was doing just that. This girl has blind faith as theists do, but hers is in the "fact" that there is no God. By ruling in her favor the government pushes her ideas of faith onto others and tells them they can no longer pray in school which hinders their freedom of religion. Her faith was easy to practice before the suit. Just don't pray and shes done it
@JohnDoe4612 she doesn't have blind faith that there is no god, you are shifting the burden of proof, you either have faith that god exists or you do not; evidence never enters into it, you are exercising a classic psychological example of projecting your own gullibility upon her, who has the basis of fact and scientific evidence to support the conclusion that there is more than likely no god.
@JuanchoMan You contradict yourself and prove my point in your own response. You say she doesn't have blind faith but right afterwards you say, you have faith in God's existence or you don't and say that its more than likely that she's right. That's my point! I can't prove there's a God that's why its called faith. Her faith lies in science and what she can perceive with her senses. Either way it's faith. And hers is trumping the other faiths and done so by the gov't. And that's wrong.
@JohnDoe4612 When you say "blind faith" it sounds like ur stating that faith is a fact nd those who dont have it are "blind." Plus a school putting a prayer on a banner in their hallway or gym is way different then a muslim or any single person praying in a classroom. The single person practices their religion to themselves. A school putting a prayer on a banner up is the school trying to show their students about prayer and god. That is forcing religion on someone can we agree?
@JohnDoe4612 Now if u agree with tht then the score is religion1-0no religion. When she asks the school to bring the banner down nd they do it brings the score back to 0-0. Now if she is doing what u say she is doing by putting her believes on to ppl then she would have to put a banner up saying THERE IS NO GOD. thus bringing her up in score no religion1-0religion. But she is not doing tht, she is merely trying to bring it even with no prayer or no law against prayer.
@We3SmokeTree I do but I respectfully disagree. Not only is she asking for it down but she is putting her banner up when a law is passed banning the option to even say God. If you notice she said she won't stop until "In God We trust" is off the currency. I think shes putting up a big banner doing that don't you?
@JohnDoe4612 She isn't trying to put a law banning the option of god. She is only fighting with this lawsuit to take the banner down, it does not say at anytime she wants a law. Plus in the constitution it says "separate church nd state." So therefor the school is in violation of the law. Now if she was to say take the banner down nd put a banner up say "There is no god" than i would agree with you but this is not the case. simply take the banner down, thts it
@JohnDoe4612 Also she does not say at any point "im fighting till they take off in god we trust." She says "I would eventually like to see the words in god we trust taken off the bill." She would like to see it, not fight it till they do. So i do not think she is putting up a banner doing that in any way. she is simply taking down the banner that is unfair, unjust, and against the law.
well christmas was cellebrated before christianity as a pagan festival for the shortest day of the year.... so why are they putting a spin that shes athiest but celebrates christmas??
@Marksman724 so what im getting from u is if someone is doing something to you that you don't like and is against the law to suck it up and deal with it? So if a bully is picking on you and kicking your ass, suck it up and deal with it? Why not stand up for what you believe in and try to make a change? why not? Idk bout u but i think standing up for what you believe in when they are in clear violation is outstanding
@Marksman724 thts where the constitution comes in tht says separate church and state. This is a public govt funded school. Therefor according to the constitution there shall be no religions statements or classes from the school itself. So i would back up my saying in tht i am right. Im not trying to be a dick but just cause someone wants a prayer taken down in their school, tht is not them forcing their beliefs on ppl. its just stopping someone forcing their beliefs on others.
@Marksman724 Simple answer; she is. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
It would be equally troublesome for you if a publicly funded school had a banner that read, 'On the first day, man created god' or 'The World is divided into armed camps ready to commit genocide just because we can't agree on whose fairy tales to believe.' If either of these phrases hung in a school that you helped pay for, you'd be MAD
@Marksman724 “I am Christian I don't want it removed. So who is right?” --> well Going off of your constitution. You’re wrong. The government is not supposed to favour any religion (or lack there of) over the rest.
I mean, If they decided to put on “In Allah we Trust” or “In Vishnu we Trust” and everyday you have to carry the currency and see those words how would you react?
@xbdayx Uhh, people as in the atheist girl who is campaigning for separation of church and state? Or people as in the bigoted Christian students who sent said girl death threats because of her actions?
@elnormico Yeah... she didn't sue for money. She sued because she didn't like seeing a religious endorsement in her state-funded school. Read the 1st Amendment.
she doesn't need to sue she's just trying to make money. but my teacher has a bathroom pass that said what god wants from you..I'll told my principle that he couldn't do that and he said i was wrong.
Ignore the pass, it's the teachers belief and his pass and there's nothing wrong with her suing. Anyway you can make money is all fair in love and war, and business. And I love when over baring christians get their shit handed to em.
I applaud this girls courage because if i have done this in school the punks in said school would have beat the shit out of me. I guess I'm a coward but theres no way I would have had the guts to do this.
I hate religion. Whatever happens after we die, happens. No sense of worrying about it now. Worry about living your life to the fullest the best you can while being a good person. I just wish everyone would think that way instead of all these.. religions.
I bet if it was a prayer to Vishnu, there'd be a whole mess of students and parents saying it should come down, as well as comments on here supporting taking it down. It is obviously a christian prayer designed to look non-denominational in an attempt to avoid the issue of separation of church and state
@WildManChrisVEVO If you ignore a problem, you're only letting it grow, that's why she addressed the problem. I assume that you are against the removal of this banner, so I also assume you are religious. "Stupid fucking bitch" That's very kind of you, I see that you're following the ways of your god quite well. "Just IGNORE it, you fucking bitch!" Unless you go to this school, why don't you ignore this issue? That's quite hypocritical of you, because of that, I assume you are a christian.
@WildManChrisVEVO I'm sure a religious person would be tired of that, because religious people ignore the separation of church and state. But what you fail to realize is that the religious ARE allowed to acknowledge their beliefs, just not in government funded buildings.
Calling her a "cunt," blasting out "DOUBLE-FGUCKING-STANDARD," what do you think you're doing to the image of the religion that you represent by saying such things?
No ones is saying, stupid american fucktards like yourself can't talk with your imaginary friends in your homes, in your churchs... alone or together basking in the imaginary glory.
But yes, do fuck off home, or to your church to do it. Don't push in on those smart of enough to realise its bullshit.
And to call this girl a cunt for saying so?
Oh please. That is just so wrong I don;t even know where to start.
@nippi9 Hey, JUST IGNORE IT!!! Why do y'all feel so threatened? Do you fucktards feel threatened when Santa Claus comes to the fucking mall or...
R U TERRIFIED maybe God IS real and you fuckasses don't want to be reminded that one day you WILL face His ass and pay for your sins, you goddamn stupid, stupid, STUPID fucking people!
You talk a lot about ass. You do realise this don't you? You've got some crazy ass thing with ass going on about it. Just an observation. You are big on ass.
Be that as it may. I don't fear you imaginary friend. Because he is not real. God is bullshit.
Don't YOU fear living a life of guilt and fear just in case there is a God you'd better fear him or go to hell... so you end up living some shitty life you'd prefer to not have simply because of that fear?
Ah, i see, just saw your channel. You are a seriously, fucking twisted, self hating individual aren't you. Thank god you are too dumb to become a serial killer but fuck me you've got nothing of worth to say, about anything.
People like her is the reason this Country is falling apart. Mabie I feel excluded because Atheist people are trying to undo what I beleive in. Mabie she should have a lawsuit twice the size filed againt her for excluding Religous people... Either way you put it, its stupid! People like this are a waste of time a space...
dumb fucking girl. this is america people practice however they want. you don't like it switch schools. fucking athiests just wanna cause problems all the time.
@djphilmore That's the point, this is America and our public(State) schools are not supposed to indoctrinate children or pledge allegiance to any particular religion. We were founded as the most secular nation for it's time and contrary to those that are trying to revise history, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" John Adams 1796. We are not a Christian nation.
Equality... put a banner up for every person's various beliefs within the school (and see if it functions as a platform for losing the focus of many of the school's subjects by turning into a theological debate between the pupils (and teachers?))
This whole thing is totally petty. Suing a school on acount of a harmless cheesy banner is not doing any favours to atheism, or secularism, it's only agravating the issue. Besides, in America there were (and probably are) plenty of real cases of schools oppressing religious minorities or atheists which would make for far more interesting journalism.
Nowhere in the law does it state that deploying religious messages on public grounds violates the concept of church and state. Censoring the message does violate the freedom of expression. People should be allowed to post there views on public ground.
so the school should remove the posted prayer and replace it with nothing because this student believes there is NO GOD - isn't that offensive and discriminatory to those who do believe in GOD? Everyone should know that in the Capitol Building in Both Houses there is a huge sign that says: "IN GOD WE TRUST" - right?
@PartyAllSeason That's what YOU believe. This is a state funded school, and as such, separation of church and state is applied because of this very reason. I assume you wouldn't be too happy if they placed an Islamic prayer banner at your school or work place, implying that that is truth and saying that it's arrogant to believe otherwise, now would you?
@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
0:11 LOL. on my... your my hero Mr. and Mrs. atheist. Defending the seperation of church and state... give me a break. Go feed someone starving or something worth your time. If you dont know how to do it I can give you a couple hundred Christian organizations that do it every day.
No one is saying that atheists, cannot BE atheists. I diagree with their VIEWPOINT, but would be more that happy to engage in a civil and friendly debate. What we are TIRED of is not being able to say Merry Christmas in public ( because some atheist might CRY about it.). How childish. If atheists thing they are so STRONG as to not need the Supreme Potentate of the Universe, they seem to WHINE an awful lot about stuff. instead we say "Happy Holidays",
I hate to break it to these types ( and this is not ALL atheists by the way. Many of my friends are atheists who do NOT endorse this sort of thing). don't tell them that HOLIDAY, is a derivative of HOLY DAY, or they will cry about that too....
It's good to see young people taking debates on the topic.
Tobbast 2 days ago
This is why anyone who doesn't like the school should not go. Fuck you jewish bitch. If you don't like it, go away, if not deal with it, shut up and then come home and practice YOUR religion. Don't push your beliefs and get shit taken off the money just because it doesn't suit YOU!
GiovanniTh3Great 3 days ago
@GiovanniTh3Great Or better yet, MOVE TO ISRAEL!
GiovanniTh3Great 3 days ago
@GiovanniTh3Great or you can try to change things for the better but your retarded brain probably wont even see that atheism is an improvement so i rest my case.
the difference between atheists and theists is that theists need an eternal punishment as motivation to do the right thing,
atheists do not they do that because they can think for themself.
and not all atheists are good but same goes for theists actually if you look at prison pop. than youll see alot more theists there.
ralfjacobs 9 hours ago
@ralfjacobs and the atheist population in america for instance is higher than what you think it is. look it up i dont have the exact number but i thought it was around 40%
prison population doesnt even get close to 5 % atheist if you look at it like that than atheists are the better people here.
ralfjacobs 9 hours ago
Why does this girl even get the time of day? She's not even old enough to drink, her opinion is not relevant. Everybody feels isolated to some extent while her age...go join a sports team or cheerleading squad. How tough is that? Instead she takes up some righteous crusade oblivious to hypocrisy that her actions are strikingly similar to a religious zealot. Since when did catering to whiny self-righteous kids become the job of the justice system?
DawgMatic777 6 days ago
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1. Are you 100% sure God does not exist? If no, then do you admit God may exist?
2. Do you have proof that God does not exist? If not, then how can you be 100% sure God doesn't exist?
3. Do you admit you could wrong? As a Christian and Creationist, I humbly admit I could be wrong. What about you? Do you admit you could be wrong?
4. If you are right, how am I going to be worse off than you in the grave? But if I am right, are you going to be worse off than me in the grave?
EvangelistEvan 1 week ago
technically Christmas isn't even a christian holiday originally, it was a holiday to celebrate the winter solstice in the northern hemisphere. i mean sure people think it is because Christianity claims that their savior was born on December 25th, but quite a few religions also claim that their god was born on that day as well
483091 1 week ago
Imagine if she lived in Texas...
fadechicobuarque1989 1 week ago
What a troll. I'm atheist, and love celebrating Christmas. She's just a troll, nothing less.
SycamoreHill14 1 week ago
@SycamoreHill14 A hot troll. HOT TROLL ALERT!
fadechicobuarque1989 1 week ago
@SycamoreHill14 Shes a shitstain.
GiovanniTh3Great 3 days ago
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Heathenous bitch. Smite her God! I command thee! Smite her now!!!
JetFighters 1 week ago
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JetFighters 1 week ago
@Irock901000: If you say that there is no God, then do something about it! It is time that all atheists take a stand against religious organizations, reigious holidays and make God illegal. All of you atheists need to take a stand and separate America from what you call fantasy. If you do not do anything, then you can not say that there is no God.
patsaxon 1 week ago
@patsaxon But then that would make atheists no better than religious oppressors. You'd be infringing section 2 of the Charter (or whatever you Amerifats have). Separate church from state; don't criminalize religion. Are we going to send every Christian and Muslim to jail now?
Crobat87 1 week ago
@patsaxon I think I'm going to take a stand and say atheism being pushed in my face on the youtube is horribly uncomfortable. I'm going to start a cause to make atheism illegal on the internet, and eventually throughout the world. Atheists are what is wrong with the world today, tomorrow, and yesterday. Down with these illogical fools!
DawgMatic777 6 days ago
What an attention whore. She clearly is not being oppressed. This isn't fucking Texas or Saudi Arabia. The word Christmas has the word "Christ" in it. Are we going to piss ourselves now?
Crobat87 1 week ago
@Crobat87 christmas is a christian holiday and has nothing to do with school or any kind of government. the fact that anything religious is in a school, which is most likely funded by the government, is unconstitutional because it is mixing religion and government.
Irock901000 1 week ago
Fun fact: 'In God we trust' was added to coinage in 1862 by the Union as a psychological tactic against the Confederacy, basically saying that God was on their side. IIRC, the dime was the last monetary piece to gain the motto when the Roosevelt dime was introduced.
Sorflakne 1 week ago
@Sorflakne funny, from the reading i've done it was added when money and gold stopped being interchangable. (i.e. you couldn't walk into a bank and exchange a $50 for $50 in gold.) the value was implied.
GreaseStain 1 week ago
Good for You!
howdoyousayme 1 week ago
She wants attention. Who gives a crap about what it says? Stupid girl.
Owliganka 2 weeks ago
I am offended by the word Thurday, it was named after Thor, who I don't worship so let's change it. Wednesday too.
cirelancaster 2 weeks ago
@cirelancaster Being offensive isn't the point. It's unconstitutional to have anything supporting a particular religion in public schools, which is why the law suit stands.
BriannaNLC 2 weeks ago
Bruce Lee did not believe in any God...a wonderful Atheist.
WhatGodNow 2 weeks ago
Then dont go there.... dont live there, solved.
Vikturus2k6 2 weeks ago
does she have any proof tht the school is saying its catholic from the sign no less ther some documents or proof shes just making an assumption
nawstra578 2 weeks ago
I hope that you have won this legal case and please do not stop! Keep going at it, as you need to get as may of your athiest followers to make God illegal! Make sure that you ban the bible, have churches remove their crosses, and also make them pay taxes owed to the U.S. Government too! Make sure that no religious music gets any air play and then you will answer to God in the end, as there is no hope for you! Burn in hell and suffer too!
patsaxon 2 weeks ago
@patsaxon thats not what she is trying to do. she is simply pointing out something unconstitutional. shes not trying to "make god illegal" shes trying to get it out of government, a place where it doesnt belong. fyi god doesnt even exist.
Irock901000 1 week ago
I kinda agree with her , Im atheist myself and I dont believe in anything because I dont need it. But when Isee something religious it doesnt even bother me ,and the reason for that its because I believe that everybody can believe in whatever they want to believe while they dont push it into my brain. I think christian of whatever belief you have should respect our ideals as we respect theirs .
ladani2007 3 weeks ago 2
@ladani2007 i respect your statement. i think she shouldnt have taken it to the point where she files a law suit against the school. easier to transfer schools, am i right? she doesnt own the school and she doesnt have the right to dictate what goes on in the school based on her preferences. and i am a christian.
Nxandy12 2 weeks ago
@Nxandy12 It's a public school. Supposed to be secular by law (for good reason). Your opinion on it is irrelevant. It should be removed. For moral and legal reasons.
MrDjentalman 2 weeks ago
@MrDjentalman if it is removed to please very few children who attend the school, how will other christian and catholic children feel about that? they would feel ostracized just how this young lady is feeling. i understand why she would want to take it down but she could just sign a petition of all athiests to take it down and not bring it to a law suit
Nxandy12 2 weeks ago
@Nxandy12 Wtf is this attempt at a response.
MrDjentalman 2 weeks ago
@Nxandy12 I know you are a christian from that retarded statement. The whole point of public school is that it takes no sides and is free from religion. How about we install atheist values in a catholic school and say well you dont own the school too bad just move. how ignorant you sound. she should take it all the way. remove god out of the dollar bill remove him from everywhere. how about we shoot all christians...if you dont like it...its easier to move countries, am i right? thats your logic
MilkyCamps 2 weeks ago
@MilkyCamps public schools are actually made for children who cannot afford private schools or dont choose to go there. they are provided by the government and from our taxes to ensure that every child has a school to attend. THAT is the point of public school. your statement proves to me how much you lack education and how selfish you are of others and your own intelligence
Nxandy12 2 weeks ago
@Nxandy12 I lack intelligence because i think it is wrong to put religion in public schools. The US Supreme Court ruled against mandated daily school prayer in any public school because it is a showing of faith and therefore excludes others in a school meant to be free of religion. Im selfish because I dont want a little girl to feel unwelcome in school and not want her to have to move schools and lose her friends because she "dosnt like it" people like you are the reason we look down on the U.S
MilkyCamps 2 weeks ago
@MilkyCamps you are selfish because you look at the wants of the minor population of atheists instead of both the major population of catholic/christian and minor population of atheist. obviously you would think this way because you are atheist yourself. you're the same atheist that would say abortion is perfectly fine simply because you dont want the baby born. she brought up this law suit and i am saying, if it is that serious to go to court over it, it would be easier to change schools
Nxandy12 2 weeks ago
@Nxandy12 Great. Im am so happy with that comment. I assumed your logic was invalid and now i have confirmed it. Therefore I need not argue with you anymore after this point. So assuming that you agree with "because there are more of them it is wrong to go against it" then I safely assume you were all for slavery, am i correct on that? The blacks were a minority and their wants should not be equal to those of the majority. LMAO but 'i lack intelligence' what a stupid thing to say haha
MilkyCamps 2 weeks ago
@Nxandy12
Why should she have to change schools to avoid being indoctrinated by something which is unconstitutional? She owns the school as much as anyone else does. It is entirely more selfish to demand that she either put up with it or leave than it is for her to say that she should not be forced to endure it.
The right to practice religion does not grant the right to impose it upon others. This is why we fight you; you refuse to respect our right to not share your beliefs and persecute us.
Lodatzor 2 weeks ago
@Nxandy12 you are right!
ladani2007 2 weeks ago
i want to marry her!
GameDocumentaries 3 weeks ago
Keep it up, Jessica! You're an inspiration!
ArvelJoffi 3 weeks ago
I feel bad for her, one day she'll have to stand infront of God.
RageAgainstNWO 3 weeks ago
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@RageAgainstNWO Your sentence can easily be replaced by
"I feel bad for her, one day she'll have to stand infront of Santa Clause."
Both don't make any sense and both don't exist. It's all in your mind :)
forgottenmemories63 3 weeks ago
@RageAgainstNWO No she wont, because she doesn't believe in God.
...God is imaginary.. so that means he doesn't exist in her mind.
Bluntbowz 3 weeks ago
@RageAgainstNWO Or Allah. Or Buddah. Or Krishna. Or Shiva. Or Amaterasu. Or Thor. Wait, couldn't you someday stand before them? That is just as much of a likely possibility. Oh goodness, what are you to do? The possibilities are endless of who you might stand before. Then again, you probably won't be standing at all. It's kind of tough to do after you die.
DamienZshadow 3 weeks ago 8
Perhaps she needs to not use the term"Class of 2013" either...lol ....Oh my God!
spacegasp 3 weeks ago
The only time I want to hear religion spoken about in public schools is in the form of the Pledge and in terms of discussing history. Religion is a part of history so as long as my teachers don't go all religious on me, I'm fine. As for the Pledge. My school allows people who don't agree to the wording of the Pledge to just stand in respect for the nation rather than the religion, so I don't worry as much about it.
Tooopper 3 weeks ago
Christianity was the foundation of this great nation. The first amendment says it will not make a law to establish a religion. it also says that the government will not prohibit. I think this is exactly what the little girl is trying to do. prohibit the free exercise of religion. However, she is not attacking the constitution, she's making it personal, like she's a victim. tlk about a cry for attention. grow up.
marineboy090 3 weeks ago
@marineboy090 If Christianity was the foundation of this nation, why were most of the founding fathers Deist? Thomas Jefferson clarified what the first amendment meant in a letter. The term "separation of church and state" originates from this letter. I think you're the one who needs to grow up and realize that not everything is in line with your faith. What if I said civilization was founded on Sumerian beliefs, the earliest recorded religion? Guess we have to go by their rules, don't we?
NoxVulpes 3 weeks ago
@NoxVulpes my main point here is that the pilgrims came here for religious freedom. something that is slowly going away because people like this young girl wants everything her way or no way. Notice how she makes it personal. She dosnt care about anyone else but her. if she dosnt believe in god, then why should she care? like i said, people like her are prohibiting the freedom to exercise anyone's religion that goes against her beliefs.
marineboy090 3 weeks ago
@marineboy090 Everyone is free to express their own religion, they have that freedom. But the problem is when religious messages are written in public services paid by both religious and non-religious people's taxes. How would you feel if there were muslim prayers in your school or workplace?
P.S. english is my third language
MrMcMan123321 3 weeks ago
@MrMcMan123321 not only do they have the freedom to express, but also the freedom to exercise. I have no problem with people praying to the god that they choose. It only makes me more proud to be an American knowing that im not gunna get killed for doing so. plus, i could use the same argument against you that you used. parents dont want kids to learn the gaps and problems of the evolution theory when there are. and dont want kids to even think about Intelligent design. (continued
marineboy090 3 weeks ago
@MrMcMan123321 This means that kids' education is being limited to biased beliefs that has arguments against it. This means that kids are being taught things that people disagree with and is being payed for by them. so exactly how is this fair or just? its not, its hypocrisy and it hurts me to see that people are so self centered. "i dont believe it so im going to make sure no one opposes me by suing them"
marineboy090 3 weeks ago
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@marineboy090
"It only makes me more proud to be an American knowing that im not gunna get killed for doing so."
Name one western nation in which the same would not be true. It's not an American virtue; it's a secular virtue.
"This means that kids' education is being limited to biased beliefs that has arguments against it."
No, it means that children are being taught our best scientific understanding of the world around us; an understanding which has ZERO challengers in any field.
Lodatzor 2 weeks ago
See, this is the fundamental difference between the argument you are making an an intelligent one: if the study of evolution (and thus modern biology, which is based upon it) were discussing intangibles, such as the supernatural, then yes, such things are a function of belief/faith. Everyone is entitled to their own theories about that matter.
But, it's not. It's the study of a fact of our natural world, and the ONLY theory which fits what reality presents to us. That's why it's called science.
Lodatzor 2 weeks ago
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So no, it's not the same as people being 'fed biased beliefs'; it's people being educated in the science of biology, instead. The two are not equivalent.
"its not, its hypocrisy and it hurts me to see that people are so self centered"
What's more self-centered is to condemn someone for standing up for themselves and refusing to conform to a social trend (such as religion) which has been imposed on them, just because it's YOUR faith that is being imposed.
Lodatzor 2 weeks ago
See, you are perfectly free to spend your time exercising your religion as you see fit, in your own time, at your own expense, and with all due privacy, What this girl is suing for does not interfere with that AT ALL.
Only someone with a vested interest in preserving the imposition of the religion could be opposed to her demands -- if you truly don't care (as you profess when asked about Islamic equivalents), then what's the problem, hmm?
But you do care, don't you? ;) It's YOUR religion.
Lodatzor 2 weeks ago
And because it's your religion, you feel it should be protected by the state. Except, that's not at all what the First Amendment grants. The First Amendment grants that the state shall not prevent you from practicing your religion; that's it. It doesn't extend state protection to your religion.
Indeed, it explicitly states that the state shall NOT respect any establishment of religion. There are zero constitutional grounds for opposing this girl's demands.
It's really that simple.
Lodatzor 2 weeks ago
@marineboy090 So I suppose you'd be just fine with the school putting up the pillars of Islam, or Hindu devotions?
NoxVulpes 3 weeks ago
@NoxVulpes would i excited about it? probably not. would i sue the school or whoever over it? absolutely not. Im more mature than that. I have respect for the belief of others. I dont need to pull them down so i can feel good about myself and my spirituality. put up a hindu god. To me its just a statue. to others its a god. who am i to judge?
marineboy090 3 weeks ago
@marineboy090
"my main point here is that the pilgrims came here for religious freedom."
The pilgrims did not found this nation. Are you forgetting the fact that America was settled as European colonies first? The United States of America was founded as a secular nation, rebelling against the religious aristocracies of the Old World.
This girl is not prohibiting anyone from exercising their religion; merely opposing the imposition of that religion upon her. She's the persecuted one.
Lodatzor 2 weeks ago
@marineboy090 I don't know this girl's true intentions (don't know the whole story), but I agree with her as far as public services remaining religiously neutral. With privately owned services, or any other service funded and supported by people with a certain belief with the intention of exercising it within those boundaries, I don't worry as much.
Tooopper 3 weeks ago
@marineboy090 Just to add, I do agree that since Christianity and other religions played a large role in the past, public schools should be allowed to mention them when discussing history, as long as they leave the dedication to theirs away from students who may believe differently.
Tooopper 3 weeks ago
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This is fukking bullshit, I dont understand why I cant seek scientific truth and still practice or respect religion? freedom of religion is democratic right. Science creates stability. This opinion war is crap and its bringing only shit to both science and religion. Science doesn't have to be arrogant, Religion doesn't have to be oblivious. Stop the war you retards.
crangdaniel 4 weeks ago
good for her.
Leestink 4 weeks ago
Good for her, that shit should NEVER be allowed in schools, or hospitals, or ANYTHING in public land.
humanistheart 4 weeks ago
Jessica's awsome!
2manyc00ks 4 weeks ago
I am atheist and I disagree. They are just words that make some people feel better. I am big enough to ignore it and not take it as a personal attack on my belief. I damn sure not throwing away any money because it mentions god. Atheists should be smarter than this.
CerebrumPedere 1 month ago
@CerebrumPedere The looking away example is one I disagree with. If you saw someone being raped, would you just ignore it? I know that this is an extreme example, but while the banner having those words on it is not as harmful as rape or theft, it is still in violation of the law. Also, I take side of the argument that people did not really care about this banner until it was challenged, more than likely, so they ignored it as well.
YeagerbombandTim 1 month ago
@YeagerbombandTim violates what law? please show me this law
marineboy090 3 weeks ago
I see no reason for what she is doing. If she doesn't like what's written on the banner, then don't read it. That simple. No need to try and force its removal. To force your ideals onto others... wait, I thought that's what religion did.
IamNixon 1 month ago
That's B.S. this has just turned into a country where the minority rules instead of the majority and where anytime someone sees a way to sue they will. Its pathetic.
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 separation of church and state is there to protect the rights of ALL not just the majority (deluded religious and ignorant human cattle)
JuanchoMan 1 month ago
@JuanchoMan Read the comment and use logic. When voting the winning majority pass the laws and elect representatives. When one person of 300 million and an activist judge say piss on what the vast majority wants or believes then the system isn't working. I'm not saying don't protect or respect all. Do that but if your in that tiny minority and your forcing the rest to do your will who's being intolerant?
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JuanchoMan P.S. Also if you read the Constitution and founding documents they were not meant to keep religion out of the government. The Bill of rights mentions god 4 times. The idea was to keep us from having 1 state sponsored religion. A lot of people like this girl attack Christians and Jews but if this suit was filed by her today saying that Muslims praying 5 times a day in school was distracting she'd be ostracized by the media and ACLU instead of praised.
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 "I'm not saying don't protect or respect all. Do that but if your in that tiny minority and your forcing the rest to do your will who's being intolerant?" by stating this you are attempting to make the christian majority the victim when in fact they are in the wrong here, the point she was trying to make is that it is a PUBLIC school and what the majority of the students believe (or more accurately what their parents taught them to believe) doesn't enter into it.
JuanchoMan 1 month ago
@JuanchoMan I see you totally ignored my point about how if she had sued a Muslim for praying in class during the school day and how that made her feel uncomfortable (which would have made more sense considering the child would be doing an action in front of her and not something being in type) then the reaction to the suit would have been the polar opposite. But when its a Christian or a Jew its OK because we are the majority. Well I'm sorry but that's crap. Shes just lawsuit happy.
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JuanchoMan You also ignored the point which if you know History and the Constitution you can't argue with which is Just because its public school doesn't mean you can't have faith in the school The word God doesn't refer to Catholicism or Judaism, Islam or any specific religion. It simply refers to a deity and the idea of separation of church & state. if you know what your talking about is that there shall be no state sponsored religion & that the gov't won't hinder your practice of your faith.
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JuanchoMan That's what I find funny about this. The gov't which is not supposed to hinder you from practicing your faith and promoting another was doing just that. This girl has blind faith as theists do, but hers is in the "fact" that there is no God. By ruling in her favor the government pushes her ideas of faith onto others and tells them they can no longer pray in school which hinders their freedom of religion. Her faith was easy to practice before the suit. Just don't pray and shes done it
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 she doesn't have blind faith that there is no god, you are shifting the burden of proof, you either have faith that god exists or you do not; evidence never enters into it, you are exercising a classic psychological example of projecting your own gullibility upon her, who has the basis of fact and scientific evidence to support the conclusion that there is more than likely no god.
JuanchoMan 1 month ago
@JuanchoMan You contradict yourself and prove my point in your own response. You say she doesn't have blind faith but right afterwards you say, you have faith in God's existence or you don't and say that its more than likely that she's right. That's my point! I can't prove there's a God that's why its called faith. Her faith lies in science and what she can perceive with her senses. Either way it's faith. And hers is trumping the other faiths and done so by the gov't. And that's wrong.
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 When you say "blind faith" it sounds like ur stating that faith is a fact nd those who dont have it are "blind." Plus a school putting a prayer on a banner in their hallway or gym is way different then a muslim or any single person praying in a classroom. The single person practices their religion to themselves. A school putting a prayer on a banner up is the school trying to show their students about prayer and god. That is forcing religion on someone can we agree?
We3SmokeTree 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 Now if u agree with tht then the score is religion1-0no religion. When she asks the school to bring the banner down nd they do it brings the score back to 0-0. Now if she is doing what u say she is doing by putting her believes on to ppl then she would have to put a banner up saying THERE IS NO GOD. thus bringing her up in score no religion1-0religion. But she is not doing tht, she is merely trying to bring it even with no prayer or no law against prayer.
We3SmokeTree 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 Do you see where im comming from?
We3SmokeTree 1 month ago
@We3SmokeTree I do but I respectfully disagree. Not only is she asking for it down but she is putting her banner up when a law is passed banning the option to even say God. If you notice she said she won't stop until "In God We trust" is off the currency. I think shes putting up a big banner doing that don't you?
JohnDoe4612 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 She isn't trying to put a law banning the option of god. She is only fighting with this lawsuit to take the banner down, it does not say at anytime she wants a law. Plus in the constitution it says "separate church nd state." So therefor the school is in violation of the law. Now if she was to say take the banner down nd put a banner up say "There is no god" than i would agree with you but this is not the case. simply take the banner down, thts it
We3SmokeTree 1 month ago
@JohnDoe4612 Also she does not say at any point "im fighting till they take off in god we trust." She says "I would eventually like to see the words in god we trust taken off the bill." She would like to see it, not fight it till they do. So i do not think she is putting up a banner doing that in any way. she is simply taking down the banner that is unfair, unjust, and against the law.
We3SmokeTree 1 month ago
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@JohnDoe4612 "a law is passed banning the option to even say God.” --> *facepalm*
BaneOfAzrael 4 weeks ago
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Unfortunately, I don't know the american laws since I'm not american, so I don't know if this girl is doing the correct thing for suing the school.
elnormico 1 month ago
@elnormico technically she is right. but she is being a dick.
CocktailGaming 1 month ago
what a waste of court time for something this stupid.by the way are you related to anton levy
kentucker45 1 month ago
well christmas was cellebrated before christianity as a pagan festival for the shortest day of the year.... so why are they putting a spin that shes athiest but celebrates christmas??
TheBrDeath 1 month ago
You don't like it, then leave the school. That simple!
Marksman724 1 month ago
@Marksman724 well said
kentucker45 1 month ago
@Marksman724 hard to leave a public school in your district when no other schools accept transfers
We3SmokeTree 1 month ago
@We3SmokeTree The suck it up and deal with it!
Marksman724 1 month ago
@Marksman724 so what im getting from u is if someone is doing something to you that you don't like and is against the law to suck it up and deal with it? So if a bully is picking on you and kicking your ass, suck it up and deal with it? Why not stand up for what you believe in and try to make a change? why not? Idk bout u but i think standing up for what you believe in when they are in clear violation is outstanding
We3SmokeTree 1 month ago
@We3SmokeTree Okay look at it from my point, I am Christian I don't want it removed. So who is right?
Marksman724 1 month ago
@Marksman724 thts where the constitution comes in tht says separate church and state. This is a public govt funded school. Therefor according to the constitution there shall be no religions statements or classes from the school itself. So i would back up my saying in tht i am right. Im not trying to be a dick but just cause someone wants a prayer taken down in their school, tht is not them forcing their beliefs on ppl. its just stopping someone forcing their beliefs on others.
We3SmokeTree 1 month ago
@Marksman724 Simple answer; she is. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
It would be equally troublesome for you if a publicly funded school had a banner that read, 'On the first day, man created god' or 'The World is divided into armed camps ready to commit genocide just because we can't agree on whose fairy tales to believe.' If either of these phrases hung in a school that you helped pay for, you'd be MAD
badkarma52 1 month ago
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@Marksman724 “I am Christian I don't want it removed. So who is right?” --> well Going off of your constitution. You’re wrong. The government is not supposed to favour any religion (or lack there of) over the rest.
I mean, If they decided to put on “In Allah we Trust” or “In Vishnu we Trust” and everyday you have to carry the currency and see those words how would you react?
BaneOfAzrael 4 weeks ago
lmao what a dumbass. People like this are whats wrong with America
xbdayx 1 month ago
@xbdayx Uhh, people as in the atheist girl who is campaigning for separation of church and state? Or people as in the bigoted Christian students who sent said girl death threats because of her actions?
redshark618 1 month ago
@xbdayx so true well said
kentucker45 1 month ago
It is ok that she is an atheist, but there is no need to sue an school for just some words. Unless she wants the money...
elnormico 1 month ago
@elnormico The thing is, they are breaking the law, and she asked for it to be taken down and when they didn't, she sued.
MythicSolider989 1 month ago
@elnormico Yeah... she didn't sue for money. She sued because she didn't like seeing a religious endorsement in her state-funded school. Read the 1st Amendment.
redshark618 1 month ago
she doesn't need to sue she's just trying to make money. but my teacher has a bathroom pass that said what god wants from you..I'll told my principle that he couldn't do that and he said i was wrong.
MrRastafaried 1 month ago
@MrRastafaried
Ignore the pass, it's the teachers belief and his pass and there's nothing wrong with her suing. Anyway you can make money is all fair in love and war, and business. And I love when over baring christians get their shit handed to em.
lilprincekilla 1 month ago
I applaud this girls courage because if i have done this in school the punks in said school would have beat the shit out of me. I guess I'm a coward but theres no way I would have had the guts to do this.
Cainkane1 1 month ago
Hasn't she got anything better to do?
555pontifex 1 month ago
I hate religion. Whatever happens after we die, happens. No sense of worrying about it now. Worry about living your life to the fullest the best you can while being a good person. I just wish everyone would think that way instead of all these.. religions.
HaruhiSuzumiyaChan 1 month ago
in many countries, christmas have become a part of the seasoning holidays, and it has nothing to do with christian..
ctjournals 1 month ago
Freedom of religion should also mean freedom from religion
Pagan616 1 month ago 2
She wants the "in God we trust" taken off the coins? Stupid bitch!!!
Must be Madallyn Murray O'Hair reincarnated, stupid bitch!
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
Brat
goaliedude32 1 month ago
I bet if it was a prayer to Vishnu, there'd be a whole mess of students and parents saying it should come down, as well as comments on here supporting taking it down. It is obviously a christian prayer designed to look non-denominational in an attempt to avoid the issue of separation of church and state
TinyMike111 1 month ago
Stupid bitch!!!
When my brother used to say stupid sit to me Mom used to tell me, "Ignore him."
Just IGNORE it, you fucking bitch!
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO Stupid fucking bitch
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO Are you saying to yourself that she is a stupid bitch?
The girl in the video?
Siedlerdeo 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO If you ignore a problem, you're only letting it grow, that's why she addressed the problem. I assume that you are against the removal of this banner, so I also assume you are religious. "Stupid fucking bitch" That's very kind of you, I see that you're following the ways of your god quite well. "Just IGNORE it, you fucking bitch!" Unless you go to this school, why don't you ignore this issue? That's quite hypocritical of you, because of that, I assume you are a christian.
TinyMike111 1 month ago
@TinyMike111 I'm sick and tired of militant atheists making it so the non-atheists cannot even acknowledge their beliefs!
Would this cunt object to a placarad saying, "There is NO GOD, only human ability" being placed up there? NO! DOUBLE-FGUCKING-STANDARD HERE!
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO I'm sure a religious person would be tired of that, because religious people ignore the separation of church and state. But what you fail to realize is that the religious ARE allowed to acknowledge their beliefs, just not in government funded buildings.
Calling her a "cunt," blasting out "DOUBLE-FGUCKING-STANDARD," what do you think you're doing to the image of the religion that you represent by saying such things?
TinyMike111 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO
No ones is saying, stupid american fucktards like yourself can't talk with your imaginary friends in your homes, in your churchs... alone or together basking in the imaginary glory.
But yes, do fuck off home, or to your church to do it. Don't push in on those smart of enough to realise its bullshit.
And to call this girl a cunt for saying so?
Oh please. That is just so wrong I don;t even know where to start.
nippi9 1 month ago
@nippi9 Hey, JUST IGNORE IT!!! Why do y'all feel so threatened? Do you fucktards feel threatened when Santa Claus comes to the fucking mall or...
R U TERRIFIED maybe God IS real and you fuckasses don't want to be reminded that one day you WILL face His ass and pay for your sins, you goddamn stupid, stupid, STUPID fucking people!
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO
You talk a lot about ass. You do realise this don't you? You've got some crazy ass thing with ass going on about it. Just an observation. You are big on ass.
Be that as it may. I don't fear you imaginary friend. Because he is not real. God is bullshit.
Don't YOU fear living a life of guilt and fear just in case there is a God you'd better fear him or go to hell... so you end up living some shitty life you'd prefer to not have simply because of that fear?
nippi9 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO This kind of stupidity cannot be ignored, it must be dealt with!
drumminjim22 1 month ago
@drumminjim22 Well, DEAL with it! Get over it OR fucking move your goddamn ass to Canada OR FUCKING NORTH VIETNAM, you dumb-fucker!
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO We don't need to move. We have the Constitution on our side. If you don't like it, you are free to leave as well.
Maxdwolf 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO Post-mortem threats from 'loving' Christians again? *yawn*
Akira625 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO No I, and my brothers (that include you) are not affraid of any supernatural beeing.
I am affraid of religion, what religion has donne, what religion does.
The most dangerus thing about religion is that it is the only reason except emotion, that can make a Good man do evil deeds.
I'm affraid of religions impact on the world I live in, and I'm Affraid of some nutjob taking the scripture seriusly and killing people.
God doesnt even consern me, or anyone else, it's the idea
Siedlerdeo 1 month ago
@WildManChrisVEVO
Ah, i see, just saw your channel. You are a seriously, fucking twisted, self hating individual aren't you. Thank god you are too dumb to become a serial killer but fuck me you've got nothing of worth to say, about anything.
nippi9 1 month ago
@nippi9 Ah! Did you watch any of my motherfucking videos, goddammit? I sure as god FUCK need the fucking views please, goddammit!
Holy Ghost fucking bitch!
WildManChrisVEVO 1 month ago
People like her is the reason this Country is falling apart. Mabie I feel excluded because Atheist people are trying to undo what I beleive in. Mabie she should have a lawsuit twice the size filed againt her for excluding Religous people... Either way you put it, its stupid! People like this are a waste of time a space...
Sworgis 1 month ago
@Sworgis Really? So the Baptist churches that preach hate are ok?
StormchaserKnight 1 month ago
i dont believe in god but this chick is being a cunt
hallmonitor98 1 month ago
She a hot atheist
PimpingRice 1 month ago
dumb fucking girl. this is america people practice however they want. you don't like it switch schools. fucking athiests just wanna cause problems all the time.
djphilmore 1 month ago
@djphilmore That's the point, this is America and our public(State) schools are not supposed to indoctrinate children or pledge allegiance to any particular religion. We were founded as the most secular nation for it's time and contrary to those that are trying to revise history, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" John Adams 1796. We are not a Christian nation.
Nuttymike 1 month ago
Equality... put a banner up for every person's various beliefs within the school (and see if it functions as a platform for losing the focus of many of the school's subjects by turning into a theological debate between the pupils (and teachers?))
primitiveatheist 1 month ago
This whole thing is totally petty. Suing a school on acount of a harmless cheesy banner is not doing any favours to atheism, or secularism, it's only agravating the issue. Besides, in America there were (and probably are) plenty of real cases of schools oppressing religious minorities or atheists which would make for far more interesting journalism.
TheWayToBabylon 1 month ago
Nowhere in the law does it state that deploying religious messages on public grounds violates the concept of church and state. Censoring the message does violate the freedom of expression. People should be allowed to post there views on public ground.
ZEDSTODT2 1 month ago
where does separation of church and state come from...
phil4508 1 month ago
so the school should remove the posted prayer and replace it with nothing because this student believes there is NO GOD - isn't that offensive and discriminatory to those who do believe in GOD? Everyone should know that in the Capitol Building in Both Houses there is a huge sign that says: "IN GOD WE TRUST" - right?
dcemrh1 1 month ago
@dcemrh1 Well some of us don't trust in sky fairies.
DngerousRadical 1 month ago
arrogant girl
PartyAllSeason 1 month ago
@PartyAllSeason No arrogance is some Douche Bag saying your gonna Burn forever if you don't believe what i Believe! Thats Arrogance!
doctorbuckner 1 month ago
@doctorbuckner of course, if you do not believe in god you do not go to hell nor you will burn...god is not to be feared, he ain't a gangsta:))
if a child is ignorant about the love his parents have for him and hates them, it doesn't mean his parents hate him.
PartyAllSeason 1 month ago
@PartyAllSeason That's what YOU believe. This is a state funded school, and as such, separation of church and state is applied because of this very reason. I assume you wouldn't be too happy if they placed an Islamic prayer banner at your school or work place, implying that that is truth and saying that it's arrogant to believe otherwise, now would you?
icarus212001 1 month ago
@icarus212001 i am not a christian, but i believe in god, all religions are just human interpretations of god, which are as flawed as human is
PartyAllSeason 1 month ago
@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
icarus212001 1 month ago
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@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
icarus212001 1 month ago
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@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
icarus212001 1 month ago
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@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
icarus212001 1 month ago
@PartyAllSeason But you can see how one person's interpretation may not apply to another, Just because one person believes something does not give them the right to impose it on another. Which is why nothing should be up there at all. What she did was not arrogance. What she did was create equality.
icarus212001 1 month ago
@PartyAllSeason - is that why your god is a little "g", mine is a big "G" - Jesus Christ - the ONLY WAY to Heaven
dcemrh1 1 month ago
@icarus212001 - Congress is National Funded and filled with words speaking about God and Bible verses about God
dcemrh1 1 month ago
@doctorbuckner - and once someone uses "name-calling" they lose the argument/debate on any issue
dcemrh1 1 month ago
0:11 LOL. on my... your my hero Mr. and Mrs. atheist. Defending the seperation of church and state... give me a break. Go feed someone starving or something worth your time. If you dont know how to do it I can give you a couple hundred Christian organizations that do it every day.
kdash64 1 month ago
No one is saying that atheists, cannot BE atheists. I diagree with their VIEWPOINT, but would be more that happy to engage in a civil and friendly debate. What we are TIRED of is not being able to say Merry Christmas in public ( because some atheist might CRY about it.). How childish. If atheists thing they are so STRONG as to not need the Supreme Potentate of the Universe, they seem to WHINE an awful lot about stuff. instead we say "Happy Holidays",
Apologist4Christ973 1 month ago
I hate to break it to these types ( and this is not ALL atheists by the way. Many of my friends are atheists who do NOT endorse this sort of thing). don't tell them that HOLIDAY, is a derivative of HOLY DAY, or they will cry about that too....
Apologist4Christ973 1 month ago