@LDS4Life71 You're the one that thinks Joseph Smith found scripture written by prophets in 2600 B.C. in the Americas when prior to the immigration of the christians, the inhabitants of the N.A. continent knew nothing of Christ or a monotheistic "God." Science easily discredits the mormon belief. You probably also believe "God" lives on a far away planet with many women and that African Americans are cursed descendants of Cain. Most DNA can be traced back to Africa. Your beliefs are very flawed.
@jin2k1 sacred and pure? there is nothing sacred and pure about the mormon faith. i used to be a mormon myself and i don't believe in it anymore. to top it all off i don't believe in god or any of that nonsense either. what you call sacred i call garbage, so does dawkins and i'll leave it at that.
Hi, If your an atheist as am I, please check out my channel, where I'll be assessing major issues our society is facing in terms of religion and basic ethics... As well as the occasional video game content as I am a bit of a gamer..
People are mostly simple. Their parents tell their young a story that gets passed down through the generations and believed to be true. No matter how unbelievable. It's called IMPRINTING. Very simple, and it works. People will believe anything you tell them from birth. Poor poor people. My heart goes out to them. They think they are doing the right thing.
@kurtcochran whats worse is that, they see other religions and say, poor people, they think their religion is right. when i am the one who is right.... and blah blah blah, imprinting is deadly, literally.
I dated a girl who was once engaged to a Mormon. The polygamy thing is a minority in the extreme, and most of them are adequately intelligent just like you and me.
@Schragmeister er... there's no Polygamy in LDS church period. I guess you dated the 're-organized church of Jesus Christ of .....' which does have polygamy. To be honest... I kinda wished they did... afterall... it's every guy's dream. Lol (j/k)
Mitt Romney is an issue? There are no shortage of photos of the Mormon Hierarchy shaking hands with the president of the USA and invariably they Both use Freemason Handshakes! Thus, Mormonism is a fraud like Freemasonry is fraud. Both sides share a very common value and belief system. I fear the world will sneer the Mormon and ignore the very real threat in Freemasonry. The 2 are basically the same animal.
And you're a different animal altogether. Freemasonary isn't a fraud... it's a club. They don't pertain to any religious matters. LDS is a religion, and the symbols used are similar but not the same. Since both LDS and freemason symbols come from the similar source ( the mason coming from solomon's temple) it's bound to be similar.
@jin2k1 it's a cult. It's a political cult. It's full of prayers and oaths. It's theistic. It's polytheistic. Joe Stole the symbols and rituals of Freemasonry and incorporated them into the endowment ceremony. These symbols are rituals are primarily Jewish Kaballlah. The polygamy revelation, D&C132 is intact and waiting to be expressed. It's never been altered. Can't say that of the book of commandments or D&C or BofM. Polygamy is coming back. Are you ready?
"Of course many Mormons are happy. I agree with you wholeheartedly that there are some - maybe many - people who have been helped and whose lives have improved by becoming Mormon. They are happy as Mormons. Some of our own family are much better off emotionally as Mormons than they would be if they were to leave the church. For them to conclude that Mormonism is not what it claims to be would be a disaster.
Sorry my friend. I choose to believe. If faith is a gift you have yet to receive. Then I would suggest you start right now in giving that gift to yourself.
you can choose to ignore truth, im glad i was raised to question everything and was never forced to belive anything without looking at both sides of the equation and looking at who had the more compelling case. truth is a gift you should take it with both hands.
Only foolish people say and do foolish things. Wouldn't it a great world if everyone just told the truth and kept there personal opinions to themself when acting as if they know the truth about something? Funny how everyone knows the truth but no one can agree on what that truth is?
if the truth was derived from logic & rational thought then nobody would be praying to a genie, but when you have a way to control peoples money and minds religion will have a place. the truth can only be proved by evidence. i know you dont like it cause everything you beleive in can be proven wrong, that must such an empty feeling. i dont say anything that has not got the evidence to back it up if you dont believe me look it up for your self. becareful though you might not like what you find.
quite contrary my dear friend I love what I have found. I want everyone to find what it is I have found. the quality of live increases ten fold when you live your life in tune with the holy spirit and follow the gospel of Christ. Life takes on a whole new meaning. you begin to look at things differently. feel things differently. things that didn't matter much anymore now hold new meaning. Love grows and hope faith and charity become things you hold dear to yourself. Just a few things I havefound
thruth can only be proven by evidence. I love it. what better evidence is there than results. Results never lie, they never mislead they are what they are. No other church has better results. Ever threw out history. Doesn't mean everything but it does say something. Says a whole lot more than personal opinion. Personal opinion proves nothing. Never was any evidence in personal opinion. But there is in Jesus Christ. results of what he created with his church. No other even comes close.
results! ha ha i love it..you have been brain washed so well you are starting to believe the B.S that comes out of your own faith! using that logic the fastest growing faith (for the lack of a better word) would be atheists in the western world. you can check this if you want...as i said before the truth might frighten you..but you will have to search creditable web sites that are not paid for by a bullshit religion, but in the name of truth.
when i speak of evidence i am talking of the fossil records that show the different stages of evolution, the genitic evidence that shows that the DNA is in every living thing is related. the archaeological evidence that shows the lives of past peoples, and you your case the arrest warrents that show your self procalimed profit is a fraud. i havent even started on the polygamy or racism in your religion either! as i said before bring it fool.
Im sorry i thought that results speak for themself. I really feel no need to defend results. All the personal opinion in the world doesn't amount to one shred of evidence when it comes down to results. And besides the results sometimes because something is not real. Doesn't mean you shouldn't believe in it. People believe in things that are worth believing in. Anything of faith, hope and charity real or not are things i choose to believe in the most. What would the world be like without santa?
ha ha results can you please tell me where you get these from? is it a major web site that is creditable? or is it the same bull shit religious websites you problably only look at ignoring the fact the if the world continues the way it is religion will be gone in the next few centuries. im glad i am on the side of the smartest men and women on the planet and your just another person who needs to evolve. dont worry every day more and more evidence is stacking up on the side of truth.
As you get a little older in life you will figure our for yourself what is creditable and what is not. you will also figure out the things in life worth putting energy into and the things in life that are not worth putting energy into. Good luck with that.
what no quotes from angles and demons? human beings figure out what is creditable by looking at how independent the research site or paper is and how their methods of gaing data is assessed. when you have groups that want to put accross only the information that helps their argument they have lost independance and creditbiltly. when you get a little smarter in life you will realise this.
also using that logic getting people who are dumb enough to believe the bull shit that comes out of you religion constitutes as evidence is very flawed. thats like saying ever child that believes in santa claus (hundreds of millions) means that he is real? the musilm fath is growing very fast in some parts of the world so does that mean it is real? you are need to try harder than that. it comes down to rational and reasonalbe thinking, something you are proving that you do not have.
That truth its a funny thing. See almost everyone has it but no one seems to agree on it. Funny thing isn't it. You know what doesn' t ever disagree and everyone can get behind. Results. They never lie and are always undeniable. No other church threw out history has had better results than the LDS church. Why do you think that is? Can you name me church that has done more with as little? I'll bet you can't? Now time to start looking at those result and put down your so called truth.
would you say results as in how fast they grow and how many members they have? ok lest do this mother fucker your church 12 million members? didvide that buy the amount of years they have been around so: 12000000 by say 200 hundred years= 60,000 members a year. catholic 1000000000 members by 2000 years= 500,000 a year. get a grip retard in know all about your fucked up church...and the funny thing is all religion is wrong...bring it on mother fucker i can do this all day.
lol, Do what all day make a fool out yourself. you do know theres only 6.2 billion people in the entire world dont you. Lol. and by the way your doing a great job representing your faith. Please don't ruin it for the catholics. I know a lot of great catholics. Don't make people think that they are all like you. I really do like your faith alot but what ever you do all day do it with some dignity please
the fact is that there are 1 billion catholics! but facts dont work well with people like you do they? like the fact that joseph smith was convicted of fruad before he invented the LDS church, the fact that there has been absoloutly no archaeological evidence that supports any of the claims that your church has, such as magic glasses or golden tablets found in up state NY!or that DNA evidence proves that native americans are not of semetic descent! i would rather be right than polite. bring it
your not very bright are ya. The catholic church does keep records on there membership like the LDS church does. In fact if were getting all rightous about things. There's no way to tell how many practicing catholics there are or aren't. All I know it St louis has some of the most beautiful, oldest, and most world widely know churches in america. But during services the parking lots are empty. Barron. As far as DNA. LOL what a joke. Believe what you want to but DNA has or has not proven anything
wow to be called not bright by a person that believes in a magical genie is rich. i did not get my facts from the catholic church but from the BBC, its just a company that further's knowledge and truth not that you would be interested in that. good that the car parks are empty just means more people are finding the truth. dont worry your church will go the way of the dodo aswell, already has started in the western world. you are proving how brain washed you are DNA testing is fact. i pitty you.
You know, the Quran verses usually begin with "Truly ...". Well, if there were mormons at the time the Quran was written the verse for mormons would most probably be: "TRULY, MORMONS ARE MORONS, ALLAH KNOWETH THAT"
People follow it because of the ideas within the LDS faith. Is any religion justified to be followed because of anything else? Who's to say that any religions large claims are not made up by men?
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well, I think evolutionist science guy can't really talk about the book of mormon with authentic opinnion. His "obvious" facts quite a bit let me down, I thought he would be a man of reason, not childish slander without no base for his claims.
Are you an idiot? You make us all look like fools. Evolution is accepted by Eyering. Stop making us look like fools. Let me guess, you are a chapel Mormon?
I challenge you to specify exactly when and where you allegendly heard me claim I had served a mission, or exactly when and where you asked me for the name of a case I had tried.
Otherwise, shut up. I do not respond to people who make things up. And, please identify yourself, rather that using a nickname, so that I know who is slandering me.
OK, enough time wasted responding to your imaginations. Blather on, all you like.
(Are you the guy that got sent home early from his mission for getting a 12-year-old convert into trouble? And then got disciplined for stealing the fast offering money? Yeah, I think I recognize you. Are you still in therapy?)
Yes, it is cowardly. But it is also safe. I currently don't have the money to hire a bodyguard, have bulletproof glass, and protect my credit. Like LDS leaders have to do to protect them from ANTImormons.
"Are you the guy that got sent home early from his mission for getting a 12-year-old convert into trouble? "
Yes, you definitely stand by your made-up story! When I read your false allegation about him the other day, I emailed him to come here to rebut it for the sake of other readers. Now it is very clear that you can't back up your own allegation since you MADE it UP.
I have read multiple accounts on which law school he went ot. I can't get him to tell me one case he has tried and I have read and heard a ton of rumors about him being a so called lawyer. Unlike YOU GUYS I don't believe everything bad about someone until I have proof. If you have proof I would love to see it.
"That's like saying you're not a successful scientist unless you're at MIT"
I am not sure if I am going that far.
My problem with Packham is that I have yet to get a straight answer out of him.
I have read multiple accounts of his on whether he served a mission. Years ago when I first asked him, he said he didn't served a mission. Last year when I asked him he said he served a mission.
I have no idea who "omiolo" is, but he has apparently formed an opinion about me that is entirely a product of his vivid imagination: I have never claimed that I served a mission; I was admitted to the California bar in 1974 and Oregon's in 1992 and practiced law until retirement in 1995 ("successful" is of course a value judgment). NO ONE has ever asked me for proof of any case I tried, so it looks like "omiolo" is what he accuses me of being: a liar. My complete bio is on my website.
You were chatting with a group about the changes in missions and missionary and you said when I went on a mission things were different. I asked if you if you went on a mission and you said yes. I asked you when and you gave me the dates. I said but that is only a year and one half. Then your cohorts got after me explaining that in the fifties missions were for only one and one half years. I didn't believe that but I could tell I had out warn my welcome. so i left
another time you were talking about all these legal issues and what you would do if you were the lawyer. So I point blank asked you what cases you have tried. You got stone faced and didn't answer.
Yes, I know you were admitted to the bar in Oregon, that is public record. I didn't say you weren't. However, that could be a red herring!
And exactly when were you and I in the same room together when you allegedly asked that question? I don't recall EVER being asked that question by ANYONE(it is a dumb question, anyway - how is that relevant to anything? Perhaps a "stone face" is the proper response to a dumb question).
"(it is a dumb question, anyway - how is that relevant to anything? Perhaps a "stone face" is the proper response to a dumb question"
The question might be all those things. However, I did ask the question. Would you care to answer now, or will I continue to get the youtube equivalent of a "stone face"?
the problem I have with that flow of logic is that when people generally talk like that they end up meaning.
Keep questioning and questioning until you are so off tract that you don't want to love your God and your neighbor. Yeah, I could go negative on the LDS church, but where would it stop? Too many of you guys are confused by your negativity. Which I hope you agree helps no one.
ANTImormons/EXmormons can't let things go, it too often consumes them and ruins their lives. It is sad
I was TBM(True Believing Mormon) over twenty years before I came to find out the real truth of the Mormon Church. I hope someday you will see the same light that I see now.
@omiolo You know that "in the days of ADAM" humans frolicked with unicorns and dragons and satyrs? And that the earth was flat? The bible says so, so it must be true, riiight?
Do you really think WE are the ones NOT thinking outside the box?
Thanx for the encouraging comment. The Korean LDS church has not been challenged until recently because there has virtually no information of the Mormon church available out there. Thus many LDS members have gotten away with their lies about its doctrine and history.
@LDS4Life71 You're the one that thinks Joseph Smith found scripture written by prophets in 2600 B.C. in the Americas when prior to the immigration of the christians, the inhabitants of the N.A. continent knew nothing of Christ or a monotheistic "God." Science easily discredits the mormon belief. You probably also believe "God" lives on a far away planet with many women and that African Americans are cursed descendants of Cain. Most DNA can be traced back to Africa. Your beliefs are very flawed.
AlienSpace666 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You must be a moron.. I mean mormon.
AlienSpace666 3 months ago
@AlienSpace666 And... as I may have guessed... you... are an Alien.
jin2k1 1 month ago
lol, i wonder if dawkins knew that the mic was in his nose lmao, still, love dawkins
l3ete1geuse 11 months ago
@l3ete1geuse Dorkin~ had sex with Rexma 2008. Oh she didn't? then PROVE IT.
jin2k1 1 month ago
@jin2k1 what the fuck are you talking about?
l3ete1geuse 1 month ago
@l3ete1geuse These are crappy videos dedicated to condeming something that is so sacred and pure. Look at his blood shot eyes...ewe~
jin2k1 1 month ago
@jin2k1 sacred and pure? there is nothing sacred and pure about the mormon faith. i used to be a mormon myself and i don't believe in it anymore. to top it all off i don't believe in god or any of that nonsense either. what you call sacred i call garbage, so does dawkins and i'll leave it at that.
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TIME4LOGIC 1 year ago
This video would be even better without those subtitles taking up half the screen.
MrOpenGamer 1 year ago
For once I agree with Dawkins ^^
mysty0 1 year ago
@mysty0 and for once I disagree with mysty0
jin2k1 1 month ago
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mysty0 1 month ago
People are mostly simple. Their parents tell their young a story that gets passed down through the generations and believed to be true. No matter how unbelievable. It's called IMPRINTING. Very simple, and it works. People will believe anything you tell them from birth. Poor poor people. My heart goes out to them. They think they are doing the right thing.
kurtcochran 1 year ago
@kurtcochran whats worse is that, they see other religions and say, poor people, they think their religion is right. when i am the one who is right.... and blah blah blah, imprinting is deadly, literally.
MetaLMunchies 1 year ago
@kurtcochran and my heart goes out to you.
jin2k1 1 month ago
Hahaha Id have to agree with dawkins here.
cyauster 2 years ago
I dated a girl who was once engaged to a Mormon. The polygamy thing is a minority in the extreme, and most of them are adequately intelligent just like you and me.
They're still whacko nevertheless.
Schragmeister 1 year ago
@Schragmeister er... there's no Polygamy in LDS church period. I guess you dated the 're-organized church of Jesus Christ of .....' which does have polygamy. To be honest... I kinda wished they did... afterall... it's every guy's dream. Lol (j/k)
jin2k1 1 month ago
@cyauster and I disagree
jin2k1 1 month ago
Mitt Romney is an issue? There are no shortage of photos of the Mormon Hierarchy shaking hands with the president of the USA and invariably they Both use Freemason Handshakes! Thus, Mormonism is a fraud like Freemasonry is fraud. Both sides share a very common value and belief system. I fear the world will sneer the Mormon and ignore the very real threat in Freemasonry. The 2 are basically the same animal.
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
And you're a different animal altogether. Freemasonary isn't a fraud... it's a club. They don't pertain to any religious matters. LDS is a religion, and the symbols used are similar but not the same. Since both LDS and freemason symbols come from the similar source ( the mason coming from solomon's temple) it's bound to be similar.
jin2k1 1 month ago
@jin2k1 it's a cult. It's a political cult. It's full of prayers and oaths. It's theistic. It's polytheistic. Joe Stole the symbols and rituals of Freemasonry and incorporated them into the endowment ceremony. These symbols are rituals are primarily Jewish Kaballlah. The polygamy revelation, D&C132 is intact and waiting to be expressed. It's never been altered. Can't say that of the book of commandments or D&C or BofM. Polygamy is coming back. Are you ready?
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
Richard Packham says:
"Of course many Mormons are happy. I agree with you wholeheartedly that there are some - maybe many - people who have been helped and whose lives have improved by becoming Mormon. They are happy as Mormons. Some of our own family are much better off emotionally as Mormons than they would be if they were to leave the church. For them to conclude that Mormonism is not what it claims to be would be a disaster.
rexma2008 2 years ago
@rexma2008 Clearly...YOU are a disaster. But that's okay...I'm sure your mother loves you anyways~
jin2k1 1 month ago
Sorry my friend. I choose to believe. If faith is a gift you have yet to receive. Then I would suggest you start right now in giving that gift to yourself.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
you can choose to ignore truth, im glad i was raised to question everything and was never forced to belive anything without looking at both sides of the equation and looking at who had the more compelling case. truth is a gift you should take it with both hands.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago 6
Only foolish people say and do foolish things. Wouldn't it a great world if everyone just told the truth and kept there personal opinions to themself when acting as if they know the truth about something? Funny how everyone knows the truth but no one can agree on what that truth is?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
if the truth was derived from logic & rational thought then nobody would be praying to a genie, but when you have a way to control peoples money and minds religion will have a place. the truth can only be proved by evidence. i know you dont like it cause everything you beleive in can be proven wrong, that must such an empty feeling. i dont say anything that has not got the evidence to back it up if you dont believe me look it up for your self. becareful though you might not like what you find.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
quite contrary my dear friend I love what I have found. I want everyone to find what it is I have found. the quality of live increases ten fold when you live your life in tune with the holy spirit and follow the gospel of Christ. Life takes on a whole new meaning. you begin to look at things differently. feel things differently. things that didn't matter much anymore now hold new meaning. Love grows and hope faith and charity become things you hold dear to yourself. Just a few things I havefound
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
whats wrong moroni or mormon got your tounge? ha ha ha ha ha ha
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
thruth can only be proven by evidence. I love it. what better evidence is there than results. Results never lie, they never mislead they are what they are. No other church has better results. Ever threw out history. Doesn't mean everything but it does say something. Says a whole lot more than personal opinion. Personal opinion proves nothing. Never was any evidence in personal opinion. But there is in Jesus Christ. results of what he created with his church. No other even comes close.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
results! ha ha i love it..you have been brain washed so well you are starting to believe the B.S that comes out of your own faith! using that logic the fastest growing faith (for the lack of a better word) would be atheists in the western world. you can check this if you want...as i said before the truth might frighten you..but you will have to search creditable web sites that are not paid for by a bullshit religion, but in the name of truth.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
when i speak of evidence i am talking of the fossil records that show the different stages of evolution, the genitic evidence that shows that the DNA is in every living thing is related. the archaeological evidence that shows the lives of past peoples, and you your case the arrest warrents that show your self procalimed profit is a fraud. i havent even started on the polygamy or racism in your religion either! as i said before bring it fool.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
Im sorry i thought that results speak for themself. I really feel no need to defend results. All the personal opinion in the world doesn't amount to one shred of evidence when it comes down to results. And besides the results sometimes because something is not real. Doesn't mean you shouldn't believe in it. People believe in things that are worth believing in. Anything of faith, hope and charity real or not are things i choose to believe in the most. What would the world be like without santa?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
ha ha results can you please tell me where you get these from? is it a major web site that is creditable? or is it the same bull shit religious websites you problably only look at ignoring the fact the if the world continues the way it is religion will be gone in the next few centuries. im glad i am on the side of the smartest men and women on the planet and your just another person who needs to evolve. dont worry every day more and more evidence is stacking up on the side of truth.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
As you get a little older in life you will figure our for yourself what is creditable and what is not. you will also figure out the things in life worth putting energy into and the things in life that are not worth putting energy into. Good luck with that.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
what no quotes from angles and demons? human beings figure out what is creditable by looking at how independent the research site or paper is and how their methods of gaing data is assessed. when you have groups that want to put accross only the information that helps their argument they have lost independance and creditbiltly. when you get a little smarter in life you will realise this.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
Thats good to know good luck with that.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
dont need luck when you have the truth,but dont stress to much it will give you and your wives something to talk about.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
@rhysmartinnz and I'm surprised you're believing it's not true!
jin2k1 1 month ago
also using that logic getting people who are dumb enough to believe the bull shit that comes out of you religion constitutes as evidence is very flawed. thats like saying ever child that believes in santa claus (hundreds of millions) means that he is real? the musilm fath is growing very fast in some parts of the world so does that mean it is real? you are need to try harder than that. it comes down to rational and reasonalbe thinking, something you are proving that you do not have.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
this is so true!!!!
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
Personal opinion is somehow so true?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
facts are so true, evidence is so true...what you a moron...sorry mormon?
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
That truth its a funny thing. See almost everyone has it but no one seems to agree on it. Funny thing isn't it. You know what doesn' t ever disagree and everyone can get behind. Results. They never lie and are always undeniable. No other church threw out history has had better results than the LDS church. Why do you think that is? Can you name me church that has done more with as little? I'll bet you can't? Now time to start looking at those result and put down your so called truth.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
would you say results as in how fast they grow and how many members they have? ok lest do this mother fucker your church 12 million members? didvide that buy the amount of years they have been around so: 12000000 by say 200 hundred years= 60,000 members a year. catholic 1000000000 members by 2000 years= 500,000 a year. get a grip retard in know all about your fucked up church...and the funny thing is all religion is wrong...bring it on mother fucker i can do this all day.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
lol, Do what all day make a fool out yourself. you do know theres only 6.2 billion people in the entire world dont you. Lol. and by the way your doing a great job representing your faith. Please don't ruin it for the catholics. I know a lot of great catholics. Don't make people think that they are all like you. I really do like your faith alot but what ever you do all day do it with some dignity please
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
the fact is that there are 1 billion catholics! but facts dont work well with people like you do they? like the fact that joseph smith was convicted of fruad before he invented the LDS church, the fact that there has been absoloutly no archaeological evidence that supports any of the claims that your church has, such as magic glasses or golden tablets found in up state NY!or that DNA evidence proves that native americans are not of semetic descent! i would rather be right than polite. bring it
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
your not very bright are ya. The catholic church does keep records on there membership like the LDS church does. In fact if were getting all rightous about things. There's no way to tell how many practicing catholics there are or aren't. All I know it St louis has some of the most beautiful, oldest, and most world widely know churches in america. But during services the parking lots are empty. Barron. As far as DNA. LOL what a joke. Believe what you want to but DNA has or has not proven anything
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
wow to be called not bright by a person that believes in a magical genie is rich. i did not get my facts from the catholic church but from the BBC, its just a company that further's knowledge and truth not that you would be interested in that. good that the car parks are empty just means more people are finding the truth. dont worry your church will go the way of the dodo aswell, already has started in the western world. you are proving how brain washed you are DNA testing is fact. i pitty you.
rhysmartinnz 2 years ago
Yesss, I love this. 100% well said mr Dawkins.
You know, the Quran verses usually begin with "Truly ...". Well, if there were mormons at the time the Quran was written the verse for mormons would most probably be: "TRULY, MORMONS ARE MORONS, ALLAH KNOWETH THAT"
buireolbg 2 years ago
Yeah im not a big fan of this dude but he has a great point
johnandraquell 2 years ago
People follow it because of the ideas within the LDS faith. Is any religion justified to be followed because of anything else? Who's to say that any religions large claims are not made up by men?
thatjimguy 2 years ago
Religion's claims are made up by men...Science is to say that.....HOLY Shit why can't people trust in that?
hangthebastard 2 years ago
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well, I think evolutionist science guy can't really talk about the book of mormon with authentic opinnion. His "obvious" facts quite a bit let me down, I thought he would be a man of reason, not childish slander without no base for his claims.
What does 17 century english prove?
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
Are you an idiot? You make us all look like fools. Evolution is accepted by Eyering. Stop making us look like fools. Let me guess, you are a chapel Mormon?
john813what 3 years ago 7
kind of a recap of some interesting points of this conversation. I think it amplifies my dealings with ANTImormons. Even the somewhat cordial ones.
OMIOLO: I don't believe everything bad about someone until I have proof.
PACKHAM: Your imagination is running overtime, proper response to a dumb question,product of his vivid imagination
I stand by my story!
omiolo 3 years ago
I challenge you to specify exactly when and where you allegendly heard me claim I had served a mission, or exactly when and where you asked me for the name of a case I had tried.
Otherwise, shut up. I do not respond to people who make things up. And, please identify yourself, rather that using a nickname, so that I know who is slandering me.
packham33 3 years ago
Packham,
slander huh? You say things I repeat them and I am slandering?
The mission claim was made by you(assuming you are RP) on exmormon(dot)org.
the naming of a case, WHICH YOU HAVE YET TO DO. Was done in person so I can't tell you that since that would identify me. Tough luck!
"I do not respond to people who make things up"
yeah right, then you wouldn't have an ANTImormon friend in the world.
"please identify yourself"
yeah, right I know what happens
omiolo 3 years ago
Details? You can't give them! When? Where?
Cowardly, isn't it, hiding behind a nickname?
OK, enough time wasted responding to your imaginations. Blather on, all you like.
(Are you the guy that got sent home early from his mission for getting a 12-year-old convert into trouble? And then got disciplined for stealing the fast offering money? Yeah, I think I recognize you. Are you still in therapy?)
packham33 3 years ago
"Cowardly, isn't it, hiding behind a nickname?"
Yes, it is cowardly. But it is also safe. I currently don't have the money to hire a bodyguard, have bulletproof glass, and protect my credit. Like LDS leaders have to do to protect them from ANTImormons.
"Are you the guy that got sent home early from his mission for getting a 12-year-old convert into trouble? "
wow, you are sick!!!
"Are you still in therapy?"
No, i finished therapy...WTF??
omiolo 3 years ago
Packham,
Assuming you are RP, you never answered my question
What cases have you tried?
BTW, do you see anything wrong/low handed with you last comments?
omiolo 3 years ago
Yes, you definitely stand by your made-up story! When I read your false allegation about him the other day, I emailed him to come here to rebut it for the sake of other readers. Now it is very clear that you can't back up your own allegation since you MADE it UP.
rexma2008 3 years ago
PS,
I know what all that says. Do one thing. Next time you correspond with him ask him if he went on a mission. Simple thing.
Ask him what cases he has tried.
omiolo 3 years ago
PS,
I have read multiple accounts on which law school he went ot. I can't get him to tell me one case he has tried and I have read and heard a ton of rumors about him being a so called lawyer. Unlike YOU GUYS I don't believe everything bad about someone until I have proof. If you have proof I would love to see it.
omiolo 3 years ago
PS,
"That's like saying you're not a successful scientist unless you're at MIT"
I am not sure if I am going that far.
My problem with Packham is that I have yet to get a straight answer out of him.
I have read multiple accounts of his on whether he served a mission. Years ago when I first asked him, he said he didn't served a mission. Last year when I asked him he said he served a mission.
omiolo 3 years ago
I have no idea who "omiolo" is, but he has apparently formed an opinion about me that is entirely a product of his vivid imagination: I have never claimed that I served a mission; I was admitted to the California bar in 1974 and Oregon's in 1992 and practiced law until retirement in 1995 ("successful" is of course a value judgment). NO ONE has ever asked me for proof of any case I tried, so it looks like "omiolo" is what he accuses me of being: a liar. My complete bio is on my website.
packham33 3 years ago
oh good I love the opportunity to challenge you on your shifting stories
omiolo 3 years ago
packham,
call it my vivid imagination if you would like. I have read your posted biography before, which is why I asked the questions.
omiolo 3 years ago
packham continued...
You were chatting with a group about the changes in missions and missionary and you said when I went on a mission things were different. I asked if you if you went on a mission and you said yes. I asked you when and you gave me the dates. I said but that is only a year and one half. Then your cohorts got after me explaining that in the fifties missions were for only one and one half years. I didn't believe that but I could tell I had out warn my welcome. so i left
omiolo 3 years ago
Buddy, you have me confused with somebody else. I have NEVER claimed that I served a mission. Your imagination is running overtime.
packham33 3 years ago
"Buddy, you have me confused with somebody else"
maybe I don't know if you are really Richard Packham, anyone can pretend online
"Your imagination is running overtime."
it isn't, but that is OK. My point is to get you to stick with ONE story so if you are RP you will have to be more careful now.
omiolo 3 years ago
packham,
another time you were talking about all these legal issues and what you would do if you were the lawyer. So I point blank asked you what cases you have tried. You got stone faced and didn't answer.
Yes, I know you were admitted to the bar in Oregon, that is public record. I didn't say you weren't. However, that could be a red herring!
omiolo 3 years ago
And exactly when were you and I in the same room together when you allegedly asked that question? I don't recall EVER being asked that question by ANYONE(it is a dumb question, anyway - how is that relevant to anything? Perhaps a "stone face" is the proper response to a dumb question).
packham33 3 years ago
"(it is a dumb question, anyway - how is that relevant to anything? Perhaps a "stone face" is the proper response to a dumb question"
The question might be all those things. However, I did ask the question. Would you care to answer now, or will I continue to get the youtube equivalent of a "stone face"?
omiolo 3 years ago
PS,
It looks like you have spammed this board! Mission accomplished!!!
omiolo 3 years ago
PS,
Richard Packham a succesful lawyer?
WTF???
I would love to see some proof on that.
Rex E. Lee was a sucessful lawyer. Former BYU President. Father of Alito's current law clerk.
omiolo 3 years ago
PS,
the problem I have with that flow of logic is that when people generally talk like that they end up meaning.
Keep questioning and questioning until you are so off tract that you don't want to love your God and your neighbor. Yeah, I could go negative on the LDS church, but where would it stop? Too many of you guys are confused by your negativity. Which I hope you agree helps no one.
ANTImormons/EXmormons can't let things go, it too often consumes them and ruins their lives. It is sad
omiolo 3 years ago
PS,
"The "give me a break" was a plea for real arguments."
Did you watch the video? no real arguments there. Mostly blanketed statements based on nervous anger. Yet, no plea there...
omiolo 3 years ago
PS,
"Give me a break."
I would give you a break but you keep calling me out personally in comments.
did you just turn everything back on me without answering a single question?
Is it avoidance or denial??
omiolo 3 years ago
Well done, Rexma. Good luck on leading your fellow Koreans out of this mish-mash of a religion concocted for a 19th century American mindset.
CobiCapri 3 years ago
Have you ever thought that it is the LDS church that is true and maybe that it is you that is wrong?
That the names you call the Prophet Joseph Smith are the same names called to all Prophets since the days of ADAM?
Curious if you allow yourself to think outside your box?
omiolo 3 years ago
I was TBM(True Believing Mormon) over twenty years before I came to find out the real truth of the Mormon Church. I hope someday you will see the same light that I see now.
rexma2008 3 years ago
"I was TBM(True Believing Mormon"
Kind of like Judas or more like Benedict Arnold?
TBM=a term used to marginalize members of the LDS church. Similar to but not exactly like calling a black person a N*****.
omiolo 3 years ago
@omiolo have you heard of the research done which tested American Indians DNA and proved that they did not come from the Middle East?
Many mormons are realizing this and understanding the lies of the LDS so I hope that you too may come to your senses.
Best wishes
JesusSavedme78 1 year ago
@omiolo You know that "in the days of ADAM" humans frolicked with unicorns and dragons and satyrs? And that the earth was flat? The bible says so, so it must be true, riiight?
Do you really think WE are the ones NOT thinking outside the box?
PalulukanMakto 6 months ago
Thanx for the encouraging comment. The Korean LDS church has not been challenged until recently because there has virtually no information of the Mormon church available out there. Thus many LDS members have gotten away with their lies about its doctrine and history.
rexma2008 3 years ago