@reviewreviewer1 There's a difference between an "advanced mind" and no mind at all. Physical life is all around us, including plants. Are they people too? If so, why are you eating them? If you had no mental life, you wouldn't be able to make this comment or even experience a form of sense (this includes sight). I think you need to rethink your position a bit...
@reviewreviewer1 is not an individual, the mother is the individual and it will be inmoral to imposed pregnancy to a woman based on morals. the simbiotic relationship between the mother and the embrio is equal to the relationship to a heart, a lung , the stomach, etc. the embrio dosent have a concious its brain is in default state, is not selfcouncious. Point is, its legal and the last word is for the inpregnated woman not you or me!!! :)
@reviewreviewer1 its not completely a human, is an embrio and the embrio dosent suffer, if the brain is already developed, it is in a default status meaning that its not selfcouncious of its own existance. If you read my post, I dont say its an organ, what I mean is that an embrio cant have civil rights because is not an individual. to be an individual must be separated from the host, the inpregnated female in this case. this mean that the woman has complete power to decide over her body
@demnp It is dependent but thar doesn`t chanhge it is it`s oen bwing dependency doesn`t take away someones right to live and the strong many not kill the weak!!!!!!
saying that, is logical to conclude that there is a simbiotic relationship between the mother and the embrio as well as the mother has a siombiotic realationship with anything inside her body!! thank you for repliying and always a pleasure to debate and exposed your flaw logic. :)
your coment to "is ok to force women to suffer for their actions" should be reconsider. Are you a women? if you are you are less simpathetic to your own gender. If your not , you show a harsh image of us men. Also you are asuming the most women are fully resposable for their pregnacies when there are many elements involved including the interaction of a male. unless you think that women are hermafrodites. is a rape victim responsable. reconsider your flaw logic please!!! :)
@demnp The wolmen decides to interact with that male her body her responsibility. Also people should suffer for creartingt problems fr others if I injure you I pay for your operation.
@reviewreviewer1 your statement has no logic. you opose abortion but you aprove the suffering of people "for creating problems"?? I dont know if we are tooned at the same subject. not all women decide to engage in intercourse with a male. Some women are raped victims. Are they responsable aswell? you may continue to argument but you are only exposing your flawed logic!!! thank you!! :)
@demnp Rape victims have tge right to choose whether or not to have an abortion cause they aren`t respobsible, abortion is punishing a child who did nothing, not having abortion is ounishing the preople who created a problenm, there is a difference between punishing the inocent and the guilty the same way we don`t allow for kidnapp but lock up those who kidnapp!!!!!!!!
@reviewreviewer1 can you explain yourself about the kidnapp? because I dont see any relevance with this issue. 2nd you clearly dont understand the concept of a simbiotic relationship, you are just using it to support your agument without any logical argumentation. 3rd you say "rape victims has the right to choose" but that contradicts your whole argument. If you seem to opose abortion but can look the other way around with rape victims, shows you dont have a firm argument based on your own...
@demnp With that I meant we can punish victimisers but not victims!!!!!!!!! A symbiotic relationship means both have an equal say!!!!!!!!! In the case of rape women aren`t responsible and have the right of freedom!!!!!!!!!!
@reviewreviewer1 first statement is irrelevant (women are not victimisers and embrios are not victims). second statement is incorrect ( you have a siombiotic relationship with your finger , hand, arm, any part of your body; your finger, hand , arm, etc dosent have any say, you are the one who has a say). third statement correct and may I add, pregnant woman has not only the freedom but the legal right to choose wether to continue or end her pregnancy. Thank you!!! :)
@demnp The ambryo is killed against it will that makes it a victim and the women a victimiser. The child has a say cause it is a being of itself it is a human!!!!!! Yes when thety are rapesd but if not they are punishing a chid fo their actions!!!!!!!!!!!
@reviewreviewer1 Friend, there are NO LEGAL or ETHICAL grounds to believe an abortion is ether killing or puniching a child. But I'm not going to argue with you about that, because we will be playing the game of "I say, you say". This is not the way of having a serious debate. in an earlier post I said: If you cant have a mature resoning and understanding of such controversial issues, do not expect to be taken seriously"... (continue next)
@demnp You don`t like my opinion so say I am immature. I say the child has the right to live but in case of rape the women has the rigjht to decide over her body cause she didn`t choose for it!!!!!! b Ypu keep saying I am, im,ature and don`t think but you barely say why!!!!!!!!
@reviewreviewer1 WOW YOU SURE TAKE IT PERSONALLY!! Yes! I dont like your opinion, but I didn't say your inmature. Did I use the wording "your inmature"? No! I said : "your understanding of this subject is too premature"(premature is not sinonimous of inmature, unless you are using a diferent dictionary) I mean premature because you cant grasp the concept. when you opose abortion but favor it in case of rape shows that you have a contradiction of thought (continue next) ...
@reviewreviewer1 (continuation) and I did explain myself in my earlier post. feel free to read it caumly!!! look Friend, I dont need nor want you to agree with me, I just would like to see that you post something really meaningfull to suport your argument . But you go arround saying the same thing over again and I have already refuted it. Get your fact straight before you form an opinion!!! thank you!!! :)
@reviewreviewer1 (continuation)... your understanding of this subject is too premature. I sujest that you do some research and get your facts straight before forming an opinion. You avidly defend that an abortion would punish an inocent child but you also say:"in the case of rape women aren't responsible and have the right of freedom!!!!!!!!!"... (ontinue next)
(continuation)... clearly you are contradicting yourself because ether way if you believe the child is innocent and have a right to live; the same would apply in the case of rape...(continue next)
@reviewreviewer1 (continuation)... this (rape) is one of the paradoxes that many pro-lifers can't seem to go arround. Before you can say whats good or wrong, you need to understand what's good or wrong for yourself. And you know nothing abouth abortion. thank you!!! :)
@demnp You didn`t explain it and how did you refute my point???????? You are just trolling now tell which point you refiuted IA already rewsponfded back and ecxplained myself further and no point did you proof my reasoning wrong and stop with the thank yous no is no!!!!
@reviewreviewer1 If you want to know how I refuted you, read my post, they are self explanatory. I understand that you think I'm trolling, but I feel that you are the one who is trolling "so I guess we finally reached some comun ground". I apologyze if you are offended with the thank you's; but I do apreciate the input of anyone even if it has no relevance. but comming from a person who said "people should suffer for creating problems" what more could I expect... Thank you!!! :)
@reviewreviewer1 based on your own opinions and observations, more like your using the same pro-life argument propaganda. Just word of advised: OWN YOUR OWN THOUGHTS!!! that way you could be taken more seriously... another flawed logic exposed!!! thank you!!! :)
@reviewreviewer1 Friend, it is propaganda because NOTHING you have said earlier sujest that you have a firm argument based on your OWN opinions and OWN conclusions; but you are so limited that you have to borrow the SAME ARGUMENTS already USED by people BEFORE YOU. ( I have already stated this, so please read my earlier post) If you can't have a mature resononing and understanding about such controversial issues; do not expect to be taken seriously... (continue next)
@reviewreviewer1 (continuation) ... as you will end up asking senceless trivial questions like: "do you mean I may not have an opinion?????????" YESS!!! You only don't have an opinion; but you are a CHEAT who has to take any argument from someone else just because you have no reasonable argument whatsoever. PLEASE DEFEND YOUR ARGUMENTS BUT USE YOUR OWN KNOLEDGE, NOT THE UNKNOWLEDGE OF OTHERS. Another flawed logic exposed. Thank you!!! :)
Pro-abortion Argument #7 – A fetus is just a potential life. Answer: A sperm or an ovum are potential lives, once united, they become a unique human life. Calling a fetus a potential life is like calling a carrot in the ground, a potential carrot. The carrot cannot suddenly become an artichoke just like a fetus cannot suddenly become an ostrich. A human fetus is just that, human. Abolish Abortion! ~Bryan Kemper
You are an idiot for saying babies have no life. As they grow older they gain intelligence. People who say this is a good video are idiots. I'm sorry, but killing babies is not the way of God.
Abortion helps lower the population and by proxy, conserves resources, habitats and wildlife. It lowers the amount of poor and starving people in the world, it gives women a good choice which more intelligent people will make use of (as more educated people will statistically have less kids). It stops divorces, alimony and child support. It saves people. Fetuses have been proven to not feel pain, emotions or sentience. They're not nearly as important as born, sentient beings. Abortion Is Good.
Gwydion you wouldn't have been "YOU." It would be somebody else if your mom had another baby later. Each time you jerk off you wipe out huge populations. We are all killers. Quite possibly there is no afterlife and each one of our little sperms has all that potential that will never be fulfilled. Sad reality of life people. Deal with it. We live inside controlled chaos. ITS FUCKING INSANE BUT I LOVE IT!!!!
Thank you for sharing this excellent video. The Internet is full of propaganda about "saving the baby's life". There IS no baby in the early state of pregnancy and most importantly sometimes terminating pregnancy IS saving a life. Good luck to you.
Thank you for sharing this excellent video. The Internet is full of propaganda about "saving the baby's life". There IS no baby in the early state of pregnancy and most importantly sometimes terminating pregnancy IS saving a life. Good luck to you.
I think birth control is the best thing in the world and I wish more people had better education and access to it. Abortion is plan B I guess. It's not the best option (not the healthiest for a woman by any means), but it's better than bringing another screaming mouth to feed into the world.
@RashulFair i find no joy in screaming drooling babies with snot coming out of their noses trying to force me to play leapster with them lol i find joy in not having them around. i also find joy in sex but not in pregnancy. so, good point!
im curious, would you say a new born baby who has no thoughts and memories to be killed because lets say she is too much and the parents dont love her? i mean the baby hasnt done anything that anyone will remember and it hasnt had any experiences. everything it does is based on instinct, not even critical thinking at its smallest level. the baby wouldnt know it either?
Think of all the books you've read or internet searches for information on the meaning of life. Please give the Bible one chance in your life! It will change you! I'm speaking from experience as a preacher's kid who didn't believe in anything and ran wild for years. I'm 42 now and understand that life is about getting myself ready for the next in eternity. I will be praying for you that you find happiness and true meaning. Please say thank you to your mom for giving up so much for you! Ed
You say the meaning of life is interaction with your surroundings or the ability to learn or think. A baby up to the age of 1 has no interaction with its surroundings without its parents causing that. What about alzheimers or diimenshia patients? Should we just exterminate these people because they don't think or interact with their surroundings? The first people that Hitler exterminated were the feeble minded. So your saying what Hitler did was right? Please read the New Testament once?!
Abortion shouldn't be abolished completely either though, because in some cases there are valid reasons such as the child has a defect that is so serious such as (I believe to be something called anecephaly) where the child is born without a brain so it therefore cannot sense and it usually dies within minutes of being born) or when a woman is raped. But these cases are hardly the case of why women get abortions. It's usually just the wanting to not face their responsibility.
So some are going to use the whole argument that we are being over populated? how about this? There are child rapists and serial killers that are just sitting rotting in jail and taking up space. Why don't we instill the death penalty for these criminals instead of just having them stick around more often?seriously .
Abortion shouldn't just be an excuse to sleep around with all the women you want and be an alley cat.
@Ailiennguyen If this alone changed your mind, your beliefs are as stable as a cardboard box in the wind. I constantly challenge my own beliefs in my mind to make sure they're bullet proof. I guess not everyone does that.
you are the stupidest grown man i have ever seen.. im 15 and i dont believe in abortion because IT IS MURDER and the Bible says not to do it so dont make a video lying to ppl saying it is good!
I couldn't muster up the energy to get through the "umms" and "uhhs" of the following 8 minutes adter the first one....
Where you lost me was when you said a fetus has "no thoughts". By definition, you are implying that a fetus comes out.... and because of a magic moment (the lights in the room or the sudden change in temperature) their brain stem starts to work for the FIRST time.
yeah. sure. stabbing scissors in a babys head and sucking out its brains isnt murder is it. or crushing the skull and breaking the spin in half is just jolly joy isnt it. open your eyes dumbasses. you sound like a bunch of dumbass towelheads "oh its not murder, its sooo good". Jesus lookes down on people like you.
ok asshole, lets do a pretend experiment here... Lets say everybody in the world stopped having children, and just had abortions! Would life (Humans 2 b specific) b gone? YES becuz of fucking abortions! and u say that fetuses cant think, well of course they cant becuz they're gonna b babies dood and babies hav 2 learn and grow up, i guess thats something u didnt learn urself dood!
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood some people wanna have babies some people dont. why the hell would everyone start having abortions. you people are fucking crazy, its not all or nothing.
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood babies can think dipshit. just not understand what they are thinking. if they see a ball, and they see the image of the ball in their head, they are thinking about the ball. fetuses cant think, because they lack a WORKING BRAIN. such as yourself. no wonder why you want to protect fetuses, you have so much in common.
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood exactly. no LIVING human... (aside from a rapist of course. rapists need to die.) fetuses arent living. if you dont have a working brain, your not alive. blood can pump, doesnt mean your alive. if you artificially pump a dead person's heart, it doesnt make them living. without a functioning brain, you are not alive. you cant kill something that was never alive to begin with.
@Asadorngasm but if u say its not living, then i dont think its a fair chance for something who had not gotten a chance to live. Your basically taking a precious item that's important to everybody in the world.
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood not fair? the fetus doesnt care! it was never alive to begin with! if someone shot you in the back of the head, would you be mad? no. youd be dead. you wouldnt be able to think. its impossible for you to be mad. and if it lived, it wouldve had a shit life anyway. an orphanage, or having a mother who cant support it so they have a miserable moneyless life with barely enough food to live.
on during an abortion and think about that happening to you kids that you didnt consider living or if you dont have kids when you do you will realize the moment you see your child....how could anyone want to kill this beautiful person...and just a little brief explanation of what happens is they reach inside the womans body with a clamp and rip the arms legs and everything else one by one...or they use a tub to rip it apart and suck it piece by piece....oh and look up partial birth abortion
ok so first of all you made your first mistake when you said life is interaction with people....no dumbass life is breathing, heartbeat...and if u knew anything you would know VERY early in the pregnancy babies have brain activity so obviously they know what goes on..oh and murder is not pnly depriving the life of a living thing it is physicaly killing and TAKING the LIFE of a living thing!!!!!!!!! you obviously know nothing about babies or abortion..look up abortion and see what actually goes
ok so first of all you made your first mistake when you said life is interaction with people....no dumbass life is breathing, heartbeat...and if u knew anything you would know VERY early in the pregnancy babies have brain activity so obviously they know what goes on....oh and murder is not pnly depriving the life of a living thing it is physicaly killing and TAKING the LIFE of a living thing!!!!!!!!! you obviously know nothing about babies or abortion..look up abortion and see what actually goes
They are alive, they have heartbeats, it's not good actually, and of course you're a guy, you don't want to spend 18 years paying child support.. if a woman does not want a child, she should not have sex because if you have sex, ya get pregnant, you get an abortion and a life is lost because of an irresponsible woman. I don't see how a mother could kill her child.
It's only exceptable in very few situations, and killing your baby because you don't want to sacrafice something else is stupid.
@freeb00ze Not really living if you can't live on your own. a fetus cannot live on it's own until around 24 weeks. Varying on state and country you cannot get an abortion after that (most common are 12 weeks, 15 weeks and 20 weeks). The only time after that is if there are complications where either the woman or "child", or both may die.
ok if it cant think than y does a baby thats getting aborted move away from the tools in the body as they r getting pulled about so than they can think they r alive. look up the slient screams dumb ass .
@taramama3 That video is utter BS, pure propaganda. If you want to see my opinion on it in detail, go to "all comments" and use the "find" function. You certainly aren't the first person to have brought it up.
@GwydionMapDon its not bs its the truth i'm sorry i dont recall the day the doc said guess what ur fetus is now alive and a baby . I have thee kids i'm only 24. i grown up poor in the hood by a drunk mother and drugy for a father. but that didnt f me up i guess like it did u . i had my frist kid at 19 me and husband do fine with our 3 kids . he finshed school and now i;m in school people just put young women down and make abortion ok by sayin its not alive . Get over ur past homie lifes hard
@taramama3 Well even if you think it didn't "f you up," that doesn't mean that circumstances couldn't have been better, nor that it wouldn't "f" someone else up. As to your children, their situation seems better than most. 19 isn't all that young and you have a husband. My mom was 15 and she was a single parent. The point is that it isn't always a good idea to have a child. Now, having said that, abortion is not the same as killing a person. A person has awareness and a personality. Fetuses
@GwydionMapDon (cont) do not. The fact is that a fetus is not aware in any sense, certainly not before the third trimester. The brain just isn't functioning. The propaganda video, "The Silent Scream" is proof of nothing. Take away the music and the doctor's voice, and play it at normal speed and there is no "moving away" - that would be impossible. The idea is ridiculous. Find something out for yourself; don't just believe obvious propaganda videos that seek to convince, not inform.
But you don't think either, and you are also an empty shell also, so based on your reasoning, you also are worthy of death. You are an idiot, no, you are just an evil soul. Your afterlife will consist of exactly what you valued in life, nothing more, nothing less. Gold and diamonds, but you will be isolated forever. We have the absolute right to be protected from souls like yours. You are a promoter of murder. You disgust me, you sick nazi, why won't you just die. Didn't we hang you (nuremberg)?
@GwydionMapDon Please! Write me back next year, after you have finished your sophomore year of philosophy major. You will then be spouting off about Hegel and all this other shit you won't really understand until you are 40, so please don't even try to impress me with your amateur attempt at philosophy, okay?
@bonnarj7 What does Hegel have to do with basic logic OR abortion? You aren't making sense. Stop trying to sound clever, or, dare I say, like Matt Damon's character "Will" from "Good Will Hunting!" ...especially when you've already proven yourself to be an ignoramus. lol Anyway, fallacies are fallacies no matter what philosophy class you are taking, Genius.
@GwydionMapDon By the way, some things just are not understood until a certain age is obtained. Concepts such as objectivism can be read about by young person such as yourself, but you don't understand it yet. Some psychological processes you gain when you are older aren't exactly turned on in your brain quite yet. You obviously lack that thought process for now. This is why you shouldn't be preaching to us yet. You simply are still immature, and we are kind of amused by you though.
an abortion is depriving a baby of growing up. they dont think? thats funny how do they know how to eat off the breast at birth? how do fetus's know how to suck their thumbs? im not even going to finish watching this lame vid ..
@NawtyAngel911 It's an automatic impulse. It isn't based on any kind of reflection or thought. Eating from a breast is called "rooting instinct" and is common to all mammals.
@GwydionMapDon yea but i couldnt imagine killing a baby. weather its 2 weeks gestation or 2 yrs old. it breaks my heart. i wish these women would think first. in most cases aborion couldve been avoided. </3
wow i cant belive someone is this stuped i hate this video...there is so many kind of birth control so woman dont get pregnant, and kill babys cuz thats what they are babys. and if you get raped give the baby for adoption there is ways to make sure the babys get a good family and how can you say its worst to adopt? so you much rather be a f***ng murder?. i hope you go to hell this video is making me so mad
@MsMariadelsol The point that you obviously missed is that a fetus is not a baby. A fetus has no personality, no individuality, no desires, no thoughts, no beliefs, no memories, no awareness. Kiliing a fetus is not the same as killing a baby.
Well, what I find funny is that you never mentioned that aborting a child saves millions of generations in the future (i.e. curing cancers, terminal illnessess, ect.). This is what nobody seems to care for. True, it is the woman's choice to make a person or save a person, but that means she should never be forced. Your mom was 15? One of my friends actually was born to a 15 year old mom too, and his sister was born to his single mother at 13. So far as I've heard, his mom is still single he's 14
@SpavVy1993 Yeah, because the primary purpose of sex is children.
If she used protection during sex, but the protection failed, its still her fault, because EVERYONE KNOWS protection doesn't work 100% of the time (condoms 80%), AND nature's purpose of her having sex was to make a child... that child was no accident!
@aaa333ify Exactly! I'm 17 so I'm old enough to do it in the state I live in but I'm not going to becouse I'm not responsible enough to handle the situation if it goes wrong. I always say if your not ready to handle the situation then you are not ready for sex! It's simple. If you don't know the dangers of sex then learn about it dammit! Theres so many stuff out there to protect you like condoms, spermicide,birth control etc.
You may be ok with your mom wanting an abortion but think of all the other people who lived through it... They're probably really sad that their moms almost had an abortion... And why is your mom having sex at fifteen? How is it that teenagers are old enough to decide to abort something but not old enough to choose to have sex with a 40 year old man?
@LlamaFighter90 How many people besides me do you have an opinion on the matter from? Stop speculating. And even if they did feel sad about it, that isn't my problem, it's theirs. What they should feel sad about is that their mothers were in a bad position when they were pregnant, and the circumstances of their birth were likely less than ideal. As far as the age of women becoming pregnant, if you don't want them having sex, how about being MOTHERS? You seem to prefer that... think abou it.
@GwydionMapDon If the woman isn't ready to have a baby then she shouldn't be having sex at that age or AT LEAST make the guy wear a condom... And even if you do get pregnant under any circumstances (ie rape) then just have the baby and give it up for adoption... That's not going to ruin the womans life is it?
@LlamaFighter90 This is about abortion, not birth control so you are off the mark in pointing the finger at people for getting pregnant. It isn't what I'm discussing here, so drop it. Forcing a woman to bear a rapist's child is wrong, even if it doesn't "ruin the woman's life." More to the point, there is absolutely no good REASON to FORCE a woman to do so. It should be her choice, not yours. Adoption is morally worse than abortion since it is basically abandoning a child to the unknown.
@GwydionMapDon I'm not pointing my finger... People who get pregnant and have abortions don't need a finger pointed... And how would you know what a woman wants? You're a man... And don't give me crap like "my mom ruined her life because she had me" that's her problem Not mine or yours for that matter... And who said anything about force? It's called alternatives
@LlamaFighter90 Alternatives? Duh! No one ever said she should be forced to have an abortion, only that she be able to make up her mind to have one if she wants. If you are against abortion, you aren't for maximizing alternatives, you are mandating that she carry the fetus by blocking the abortion alternative.
I know what women want because they EXPRESS it. It's that simple. I'm about leaving it up to the woman, not puting laws in place that limit options. There is nothing wrong with abortion.
By making the argument that the baby is not alive you are invalidating the whole point. The point is not whether or not the baby is alive the point is that the woman should have a choice. The baby is hardly dead is it? I mean it has DNA and blood pumping through his/her body with a heartbeat. So yes it's alive and it's unfortunate to have to end that life but sometimes it has to be done.
@CanadianLulz If you resort simply to the "woman's choice" argument, than you are being forced to value against value; choice versus life. But, through my line of argumentation, it can be understood that life, the simple metabolic process alone, is not enough to entitle a fetus to the "right to life."
@CanadianLulz continued DNA is simply a molecule, blood is a collection of cells and plasma. A person is not their blood, or even their DNA, although our genetics obviously determine much of who we are. We are our selves, our minds. If something lacks a mind, it is not a being deserving of rights.
When a fetus is growing, it is growing in the form of a human. When it is born, it is in the same form, a human, just more mature. You say that because it cannot think independently in the womb, it is therefore not a soul. But by the time the baby is ready to be born, it is undeniably a soul... so when in pregnancy does abortion become murder?
@Phillipians46 I don't like to use the term "soul" because it is unsubstantiated. However, I think a good point up to which we can rule out personhood is the end of the second trimester. Before that point, neurons in the brain have yet to begin firing. After that point, we can't be so sure that consciousness does not exist. However, even after neurons are firing, it is very likely that they have yet to be orgainized into a whole that is capable of supporting conscious thought.
listen u donkey ..there has been 50,000,000 abortions since 1973 and growing 4000 a day in american only...life starts at conception there would be so much more technology and everything more medicne cure and everything abortion is murder...
@jadm7777777 I disagree. I don't think that fifty million unwanted fetuses would have meant a net gain in technological or scientific acheivement. Even if it would have, that would not justify forcing women to endure unwanted pregnancies. Abortion is not murder because a fetus is not a person, does not possess rights. Only a person that has a will to live can be murdered.
@GwydionMapDon ...ok it nis murder...but even if it wasnt ur still stopping a baby's life from continuing because if it wasnt a baby (which it is) then in will soon be a baby..so u r stopping the babys life by scrambling it brains....which is murder....doesnt matter if they dont want them either put it up for adoption ..or raise them yourself.....and sorry that i said donkey..i just was mas at all of u all pro baby killers
@jadm7777777 It's not a baby because it lacks brain function, awareness, a conscious desire for life or anything else for that matter. It is not murder to kill something that lacks the capacity to want to live. And just because something could become a baby if left alone (or actually nurtured in the womb) does not mean that it must or should become a baby. Ending a pregnancy in its early stages is morally no different from using birth control to keep pregnancy from occurring in the first place.
@jadm7777777 I've laid out my reasoning for why I agree with abortion and it isn't "just because everyone else does." Quit being obtuse. Obviously not everyone else thinks the way I do. I have very real reasons for the position that I hold, as I have outlined. So far your reasons for opposing it seem to be, "it's murder... because it's murder," and that it means fewer scientific advances. Ludicrous. If you don't want to debate the issue, fine, don't post here. I'll have to try to get over it.
@jadm7777777 There is no reason that a fetus should be brought to terms, so it is wrong to force a woman to carry a fetus to term. It is her body. Killing a fetus is not the same as killing a baby. A fetus, for at least the first two trimesters is completely unable to operate mentally, has never even had a single thought because it's brain is not yet functioning. Before the brain is functioning, there is nothing to differentiate a fetus from any other non-sentient growth in a person's body.
@GwydionMapDon So it would be a baby..even if it wasnt which it is..so your stopping a baies life before its a baby and you think that is ok? are you Christian?
@jadm7777777 Stopping a fetus from becoming a baby is not the same as killing a baby, just like keeping yourself from getting pregnant in the first place isn't killing the baby that might have come about otherwise. The potentiality of something is not the same as the actuality.
@jadm7777777 it not a baby it a parsite until the cords cut and if its her choice to do so fine but then it never fails that people thinks its wrong witch wronge and right is bull any way
You say that your mother was considering having you killed (via a pro-choice abortion) while you were in her womb. However, she chose not to have you killed. That is good.
Now, as a man who was not aborted and allowed to live, you use that privilege to advocate the "choice" to violently (and often painfully) kill others less fortunate than you. That is not good.
@kweer58 I consider myself a distinct entity from the fetus that gave rise to me. Killing a fetus is not like killing the person it might one day become any more than not getting pregnant in the first place is killing a person that may have resulted if one did become pregnant.
@kweer58 And apparently you've entirely missed the point of my doing that. I can say that I agree with abortion easily despite the fact that my mom almost had an abortion. There is a difference between a person and a fetus. Aborting a fetus is not killing a person, just preventing one from being born, just the same as choosing not to have sex, or using birth control. I'm not so arrogant to think that the world needed me to be born, that I had a right to live before I ever did.
I am poured out like water, All My bones are out of join; My heart is like wax; It has melted within Me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, Andy My tongue clings to My jaws; You brought Me to the dust of death.
The poor shall eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the Lord. Let your heart live forever!
I think pro life people should take a step back and consider what the actual LIFE of the child and the mother is going to be like if she goes through with the birth.
QUALITY OF LIFE means absolutely NOTHING to "pro-life" people.
they'd rather a 15 yr old go through with it and not be able to afford college and a great life for herself and her FUTURE CHILDREN which she may CHOOSE to have later
But you are He who took Me out of the womb; You made me trust while on my mother's breasts. I was cast upon You from birth. From my mother's womb You have been my God. Be not far from Me, For trouble is near; For there is none to help. Many bulls have surrounded Me; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.
your definition of life is very different from the dictionary's. also, your definition of murder is different from the legal term =/ strange. it's almost like you don't know what your talking about. sad
In ethics, you don't always use the strict dictionary definition. You don't know what you are talking about. As long as I define my terms, it doesn't matter what the dictionary says. If we use the dictionary definition, it simply isn't murder to take life.
@GwydionMapDon If abortion is killing of the fetus, how is abortion not murder? The fetus is not scientifically classified as a living human. But no one can prove that.
The truth is: A fetus lives and breaths inside the mothers womb, His/her lungs are filled of oxygen provided by the mother. Science does classify the fetus as a living fetus but not a living human. So how is abortion not murder?
@mjt19741 the fetus is so unaware of itself and its existence that even animals have more cognitive thinking than it does.. then again certain animals have been seen at the 7 year old human level. You don't complain about animals getting killed though, do you?
@mjt19741 The lungs are not filled with oxygen until the born infant breathes on its own. Before that the fetus' cells are kept alive with oxygen from the mother's blood.
@GwydionMapDon "If we use the dictionary definition, it simply isn't murder to take life."
It's funny how you put that. Because if you look up murder in the dictionary it specifically says murder is the unlawfull killing of a human. So like I have asked you before, if abortion is the killing of a fetus, how is it not murder?
@babertron Lol man. He was questioning my ethics on abortion too. Like you said, the world is not over populated. So many people think it is over populated, but they never look at something like a map and don't realize how much open space there is...lol. I also respected what you said how a woman is more likely to die from an abortion than giving a natural birth. GOOD JOB.
when a baby is not born it is alive it's breathing. the only time i think abortion is ok is if the girl was raped. but if she chose to do it then she needs to deal with it and kids growing up and having a hard life happens i had a vary hard life but im thankful im here becouse i have alot of friends and family who love me. abortion can be bad or good depending on the situation, thats my opinion
Here's some questions. What do you think about how it can physically and emotionally harm women?
When than does the fetus become a human?
tazluvpizza 1 month ago
You only need to be physical alive too be alive you don`t need to be an advanced mind.
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 There's a difference between an "advanced mind" and no mind at all. Physical life is all around us, including plants. Are they people too? If so, why are you eating them? If you had no mental life, you wouldn't be able to make this comment or even experience a form of sense (this includes sight). I think you need to rethink your position a bit...
vgman94 3 months ago
@vgman94 Plants won`t grow into human plants don`t have all human gemes and chromoomes and form a complete human organism.
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 .... Please don't tell me you think everything human equals important. Do you think human fingernails and hair are important?
vgman94 3 months ago
@vgman94 Guess what it has a complete bodystructure it is a living being so it is a human living organism. A human.
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 is not an individual, the mother is the individual and it will be inmoral to imposed pregnancy to a woman based on morals. the simbiotic relationship between the mother and the embrio is equal to the relationship to a heart, a lung , the stomach, etc. the embrio dosent have a concious its brain is in default state, is not selfcouncious. Point is, its legal and the last word is for the inpregnated woman not you or me!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp It isn`t an organm but a human and it is ioke to force women to sugffer for their actuiions instead of making someone else suffer!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 its not completely a human, is an embrio and the embrio dosent suffer, if the brain is already developed, it is in a default status meaning that its not selfcouncious of its own existance. If you read my post, I dont say its an organ, what I mean is that an embrio cant have civil rights because is not an individual. to be an individual must be separated from the host, the inpregnated female in this case. this mean that the woman has complete power to decide over her body
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp It is dependent but thar doesn`t chanhge it is it`s oen bwing dependency doesn`t take away someones right to live and the strong many not kill the weak!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
saying that, is logical to conclude that there is a simbiotic relationship between the mother and the embrio as well as the mother has a siombiotic realationship with anything inside her body!! thank you for repliying and always a pleasure to debate and exposed your flaw logic. :)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp A women has a symbiotic relationship cause it is a vcomplete human being not a differeny norganism.
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
your coment to "is ok to force women to suffer for their actions" should be reconsider. Are you a women? if you are you are less simpathetic to your own gender. If your not , you show a harsh image of us men. Also you are asuming the most women are fully resposable for their pregnacies when there are many elements involved including the interaction of a male. unless you think that women are hermafrodites. is a rape victim responsable. reconsider your flaw logic please!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp The wolmen decides to interact with that male her body her responsibility. Also people should suffer for creartingt problems fr others if I injure you I pay for your operation.
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 your statement has no logic. you opose abortion but you aprove the suffering of people "for creating problems"?? I dont know if we are tooned at the same subject. not all women decide to engage in intercourse with a male. Some women are raped victims. Are they responsable aswell? you may continue to argument but you are only exposing your flawed logic!!! thank you!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp Rape victims have tge right to choose whether or not to have an abortion cause they aren`t respobsible, abortion is punishing a child who did nothing, not having abortion is ounishing the preople who created a problenm, there is a difference between punishing the inocent and the guilty the same way we don`t allow for kidnapp but lock up those who kidnapp!!!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 can you explain yourself about the kidnapp? because I dont see any relevance with this issue. 2nd you clearly dont understand the concept of a simbiotic relationship, you are just using it to support your agument without any logical argumentation. 3rd you say "rape victims has the right to choose" but that contradicts your whole argument. If you seem to opose abortion but can look the other way around with rape victims, shows you dont have a firm argument based on your own...
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp With that I meant we can punish victimisers but not victims!!!!!!!!! A symbiotic relationship means both have an equal say!!!!!!!!! In the case of rape women aren`t responsible and have the right of freedom!!!!!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 first statement is irrelevant (women are not victimisers and embrios are not victims). second statement is incorrect ( you have a siombiotic relationship with your finger , hand, arm, any part of your body; your finger, hand , arm, etc dosent have any say, you are the one who has a say). third statement correct and may I add, pregnant woman has not only the freedom but the legal right to choose wether to continue or end her pregnancy. Thank you!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp The ambryo is killed against it will that makes it a victim and the women a victimiser. The child has a say cause it is a being of itself it is a human!!!!!! Yes when thety are rapesd but if not they are punishing a chid fo their actions!!!!!!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 Friend, there are NO LEGAL or ETHICAL grounds to believe an abortion is ether killing or puniching a child. But I'm not going to argue with you about that, because we will be playing the game of "I say, you say". This is not the way of having a serious debate. in an earlier post I said: If you cant have a mature resoning and understanding of such controversial issues, do not expect to be taken seriously"... (continue next)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp You don`t like my opinion so say I am immature. I say the child has the right to live but in case of rape the women has the rigjht to decide over her body cause she didn`t choose for it!!!!!! b Ypu keep saying I am, im,ature and don`t think but you barely say why!!!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 WOW YOU SURE TAKE IT PERSONALLY!! Yes! I dont like your opinion, but I didn't say your inmature. Did I use the wording "your inmature"? No! I said : "your understanding of this subject is too premature"(premature is not sinonimous of inmature, unless you are using a diferent dictionary) I mean premature because you cant grasp the concept. when you opose abortion but favor it in case of rape shows that you have a contradiction of thought (continue next) ...
demnp 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 (continuation) and I did explain myself in my earlier post. feel free to read it caumly!!! look Friend, I dont need nor want you to agree with me, I just would like to see that you post something really meaningfull to suport your argument . But you go arround saying the same thing over again and I have already refuted it. Get your fact straight before you form an opinion!!! thank you!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp I already commented onm that so please restate or else I will get confused!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 (continuation)... your understanding of this subject is too premature. I sujest that you do some research and get your facts straight before forming an opinion. You avidly defend that an abortion would punish an inocent child but you also say:"in the case of rape women aren't responsible and have the right of freedom!!!!!!!!!"... (ontinue next)
demnp 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1
(continuation)... clearly you are contradicting yourself because ether way if you believe the child is innocent and have a right to live; the same would apply in the case of rape...(continue next)
demnp 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 (continuation)... this (rape) is one of the paradoxes that many pro-lifers can't seem to go arround. Before you can say whats good or wrong, you need to understand what's good or wrong for yourself. And you know nothing abouth abortion. thank you!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp You didn`t explain it and how did you refute my point???????? You are just trolling now tell which point you refiuted IA already rewsponfded back and ecxplained myself further and no point did you proof my reasoning wrong and stop with the thank yous no is no!!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 If you want to know how I refuted you, read my post, they are self explanatory. I understand that you think I'm trolling, but I feel that you are the one who is trolling "so I guess we finally reached some comun ground". I apologyze if you are offended with the thank you's; but I do apreciate the input of anyone even if it has no relevance. but comming from a person who said "people should suffer for creating problems" what more could I expect... Thank you!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 based on your own opinions and observations, more like your using the same pro-life argument propaganda. Just word of advised: OWN YOUR OWN THOUGHTS!!! that way you could be taken more seriously... another flawed logic exposed!!! thank you!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
@demnp Wait how is what I say propogada and do you mean that I may not have an opinion?????????
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 Friend, it is propaganda because NOTHING you have said earlier sujest that you have a firm argument based on your OWN opinions and OWN conclusions; but you are so limited that you have to borrow the SAME ARGUMENTS already USED by people BEFORE YOU. ( I have already stated this, so please read my earlier post) If you can't have a mature resononing and understanding about such controversial issues; do not expect to be taken seriously... (continue next)
demnp 3 months ago
@reviewreviewer1 (continuation) ... as you will end up asking senceless trivial questions like: "do you mean I may not have an opinion?????????" YESS!!! You only don't have an opinion; but you are a CHEAT who has to take any argument from someone else just because you have no reasonable argument whatsoever. PLEASE DEFEND YOUR ARGUMENTS BUT USE YOUR OWN KNOLEDGE, NOT THE UNKNOWLEDGE OF OTHERS. Another flawed logic exposed. Thank you!!! :)
demnp 3 months ago
Pro-abortion Argument #7 – A fetus is just a potential life. Answer: A sperm or an ovum are potential lives, once united, they become a unique human life. Calling a fetus a potential life is like calling a carrot in the ground, a potential carrot. The carrot cannot suddenly become an artichoke just like a fetus cannot suddenly become an ostrich. A human fetus is just that, human. Abolish Abortion! ~Bryan Kemper
amberose91 3 months ago
you should disable the comments so all these prolife people can go elsewhere.
Cloud9Kennels 4 months ago
You are an idiot for saying babies have no life. As they grow older they gain intelligence. People who say this is a good video are idiots. I'm sorry, but killing babies is not the way of God.
darthdan1000 4 months ago
Abortion helps lower the population and by proxy, conserves resources, habitats and wildlife. It lowers the amount of poor and starving people in the world, it gives women a good choice which more intelligent people will make use of (as more educated people will statistically have less kids). It stops divorces, alimony and child support. It saves people. Fetuses have been proven to not feel pain, emotions or sentience. They're not nearly as important as born, sentient beings. Abortion Is Good.
vgman94 6 months ago
@vgman94 Actually they are people so they are just as important!!!!!!!
reviewreviewer1 3 months ago
Gwydion you wouldn't have been "YOU." It would be somebody else if your mom had another baby later. Each time you jerk off you wipe out huge populations. We are all killers. Quite possibly there is no afterlife and each one of our little sperms has all that potential that will never be fulfilled. Sad reality of life people. Deal with it. We live inside controlled chaos. ITS FUCKING INSANE BUT I LOVE IT!!!!
rocaho001 7 months ago
It could've been better if I was aborted. Now I cause harm and evil to everyone I know.
rocaho001 7 months ago
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Thank you for sharing this excellent video. The Internet is full of propaganda about "saving the baby's life". There IS no baby in the early state of pregnancy and most importantly sometimes terminating pregnancy IS saving a life. Good luck to you.
anonym111000 8 months ago
Thank you for sharing this excellent video. The Internet is full of propaganda about "saving the baby's life". There IS no baby in the early state of pregnancy and most importantly sometimes terminating pregnancy IS saving a life. Good luck to you.
anonym111000 8 months ago
I think birth control is the best thing in the world and I wish more people had better education and access to it. Abortion is plan B I guess. It's not the best option (not the healthiest for a woman by any means), but it's better than bringing another screaming mouth to feed into the world.
CamillaCalamity 8 months ago
dumb fucking liberal
ScarbyDarbyScarboro 9 months ago
Here's the point of living: Joy
J: Loving Jesus
O: Loving Others
Y: Loving Yourself
(respectively) Psalm 139:13
RashulFair 9 months ago
@RashulFair i find no joy in screaming drooling babies with snot coming out of their noses trying to force me to play leapster with them lol i find joy in not having them around. i also find joy in sex but not in pregnancy. so, good point!
froggymicwop 7 months ago
@RashulFair Can I skip the loving Jesus part? (It's hard to pretend to love imaginary creatures.)
rocaho001 7 months ago
@RashulFair
Only Christians say that
ragdoll485 2 months ago
ABORTIONS SHOULD BE FREE AT WALMART
herbertmoon11 10 months ago
@herbertmoon11
lolololololol
ragdoll485 2 months ago
I say you watch a live abortion and tell me it can't think.
LavaEagle 10 months ago
im curious, would you say a new born baby who has no thoughts and memories to be killed because lets say she is too much and the parents dont love her? i mean the baby hasnt done anything that anyone will remember and it hasnt had any experiences. everything it does is based on instinct, not even critical thinking at its smallest level. the baby wouldnt know it either?
paulinotou 10 months ago
Think of all the books you've read or internet searches for information on the meaning of life. Please give the Bible one chance in your life! It will change you! I'm speaking from experience as a preacher's kid who didn't believe in anything and ran wild for years. I'm 42 now and understand that life is about getting myself ready for the next in eternity. I will be praying for you that you find happiness and true meaning. Please say thank you to your mom for giving up so much for you! Ed
Randomness9941 11 months ago
@Randomness9941 How do you know this guy isn't Christian or hasn't been a Christian at one time? He may be a Bible expert for all you know.
CamillaCalamity 8 months ago
You say the meaning of life is interaction with your surroundings or the ability to learn or think. A baby up to the age of 1 has no interaction with its surroundings without its parents causing that. What about alzheimers or diimenshia patients? Should we just exterminate these people because they don't think or interact with their surroundings? The first people that Hitler exterminated were the feeble minded. So your saying what Hitler did was right? Please read the New Testament once?!
Randomness9941 11 months ago
how do you know that they do not think? They move so there must be some brain function, they repond to different things such as sounds and voices
nolancathey15 11 months ago
You choose your choices, but you can't choose the consequences.
That's just life.
You need to accept the risks and if you do get pregnant, you are housing a growing human with DNA. That's why I have a problem with abortion.
soccerbabey 1 year ago
Abortion shouldn't be abolished completely either though, because in some cases there are valid reasons such as the child has a defect that is so serious such as (I believe to be something called anecephaly) where the child is born without a brain so it therefore cannot sense and it usually dies within minutes of being born) or when a woman is raped. But these cases are hardly the case of why women get abortions. It's usually just the wanting to not face their responsibility.
soccerbabey 1 year ago
So some are going to use the whole argument that we are being over populated? how about this? There are child rapists and serial killers that are just sitting rotting in jail and taking up space. Why don't we instill the death penalty for these criminals instead of just having them stick around more often?seriously .
Abortion shouldn't just be an excuse to sleep around with all the women you want and be an alley cat.
soccerbabey 1 year ago
Another thing to think about:
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This product was created to remind early children of the comforting sounds they heard in the womb.
DeathToTheseWalls 1 year ago
You care a lot about conception and the mind in regards to your determination of the justification for abortion.
I don't think you knew about this: bit . ly / h3M7Hm
DeathToTheseWalls 1 year ago
You use "life" to mean what it does not. I can find no textbook definition that matches yours.
This may interest anyone who feels they have a biological stance on abortion:
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DeathToTheseWalls 1 year ago
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fizzingwhizbeee 1 year ago
wow..u actually changed my mind about abortion, pro-choice!!!
Ailiennguyen 1 year ago
@Ailiennguyen If this alone changed your mind, your beliefs are as stable as a cardboard box in the wind. I constantly challenge my own beliefs in my mind to make sure they're bullet proof. I guess not everyone does that.
rocaho001 7 months ago
By 6 weeks, human brain function is present, as measured by the electroencephalogram (EEG).
aaa333ify 1 year ago
i think your rite........ no one will be able to make this a winnable conversation for both sides tho
cblordvTV 1 year ago
you are the stupidest grown man i have ever seen.. im 15 and i dont believe in abortion because IT IS MURDER and the Bible says not to do it so dont make a video lying to ppl saying it is good!
FamousWannabes02 1 year ago
I couldn't muster up the energy to get through the "umms" and "uhhs" of the following 8 minutes adter the first one....
Where you lost me was when you said a fetus has "no thoughts". By definition, you are implying that a fetus comes out.... and because of a magic moment (the lights in the room or the sudden change in temperature) their brain stem starts to work for the FIRST time.
Come on.... use some Common Sense!
CommonSenseWithJason 1 year ago
We should abort liberals, they aren't human beings either.
omegapoint777 1 year ago
My Xmas gift would be for a million more abortions every year
HowardSternn 1 year ago
yeah. sure. stabbing scissors in a babys head and sucking out its brains isnt murder is it. or crushing the skull and breaking the spin in half is just jolly joy isnt it. open your eyes dumbasses. you sound like a bunch of dumbass towelheads "oh its not murder, its sooo good". Jesus lookes down on people like you.
punklover333 1 year ago
ok asshole, lets do a pretend experiment here... Lets say everybody in the world stopped having children, and just had abortions! Would life (Humans 2 b specific) b gone? YES becuz of fucking abortions! and u say that fetuses cant think, well of course they cant becuz they're gonna b babies dood and babies hav 2 learn and grow up, i guess thats something u didnt learn urself dood!
TenSpeedOfJaysBlood 1 year ago
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood some people wanna have babies some people dont. why the hell would everyone start having abortions. you people are fucking crazy, its not all or nothing.
Caldwellum 1 year ago
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TenSpeedOfJaysBlood 1 year ago
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood and lurn 2 b smarter typer doood! becuz i hav truble reading u.
retard
Caldwellum 1 year ago
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood babies can think dipshit. just not understand what they are thinking. if they see a ball, and they see the image of the ball in their head, they are thinking about the ball. fetuses cant think, because they lack a WORKING BRAIN. such as yourself. no wonder why you want to protect fetuses, you have so much in common.
Asadorngasm 1 year ago
@Asadorngasm but its still considered a Human... no living "HUMAN" should deserve such a demise if they had been givin the chace to live.
TenSpeedOfJaysBlood 1 year ago
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood exactly. no LIVING human... (aside from a rapist of course. rapists need to die.) fetuses arent living. if you dont have a working brain, your not alive. blood can pump, doesnt mean your alive. if you artificially pump a dead person's heart, it doesnt make them living. without a functioning brain, you are not alive. you cant kill something that was never alive to begin with.
Asadorngasm 1 year ago
@Asadorngasm but if u say its not living, then i dont think its a fair chance for something who had not gotten a chance to live. Your basically taking a precious item that's important to everybody in the world.
TenSpeedOfJaysBlood 1 year ago
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood not fair? the fetus doesnt care! it was never alive to begin with! if someone shot you in the back of the head, would you be mad? no. youd be dead. you wouldnt be able to think. its impossible for you to be mad. and if it lived, it wouldve had a shit life anyway. an orphanage, or having a mother who cant support it so they have a miserable moneyless life with barely enough food to live.
Asadorngasm 1 year ago
@TenSpeedOfJaysBlood probably have to turn into a prostitute for money. shortly after, dieing from aids.
Asadorngasm 1 year ago
that IS murder..
LiVeInMuSiC09 1 year ago
on during an abortion and think about that happening to you kids that you didnt consider living or if you dont have kids when you do you will realize the moment you see your child....how could anyone want to kill this beautiful person...and just a little brief explanation of what happens is they reach inside the womans body with a clamp and rip the arms legs and everything else one by one...or they use a tub to rip it apart and suck it piece by piece....oh and look up partial birth abortion
LiVeInMuSiC09 1 year ago
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ok so first of all you made your first mistake when you said life is interaction with people....no dumbass life is breathing, heartbeat...and if u knew anything you would know VERY early in the pregnancy babies have brain activity so obviously they know what goes on..oh and murder is not pnly depriving the life of a living thing it is physicaly killing and TAKING the LIFE of a living thing!!!!!!!!! you obviously know nothing about babies or abortion..look up abortion and see what actually goes
LiVeInMuSiC09 1 year ago
ok so first of all you made your first mistake when you said life is interaction with people....no dumbass life is breathing, heartbeat...and if u knew anything you would know VERY early in the pregnancy babies have brain activity so obviously they know what goes on....oh and murder is not pnly depriving the life of a living thing it is physicaly killing and TAKING the LIFE of a living thing!!!!!!!!! you obviously know nothing about babies or abortion..look up abortion and see what actually goes
LiVeInMuSiC09 1 year ago
They are alive, they have heartbeats, it's not good actually, and of course you're a guy, you don't want to spend 18 years paying child support.. if a woman does not want a child, she should not have sex because if you have sex, ya get pregnant, you get an abortion and a life is lost because of an irresponsible woman. I don't see how a mother could kill her child.
It's only exceptable in very few situations, and killing your baby because you don't want to sacrafice something else is stupid.
freeb00ze 1 year ago
@freeb00ze Not really living if you can't live on your own. a fetus cannot live on it's own until around 24 weeks. Varying on state and country you cannot get an abortion after that (most common are 12 weeks, 15 weeks and 20 weeks). The only time after that is if there are complications where either the woman or "child", or both may die.
ArielDarkBlade69 1 year ago
ok if it cant think than y does a baby thats getting aborted move away from the tools in the body as they r getting pulled about so than they can think they r alive. look up the slient screams dumb ass .
taramama3 1 year ago
@taramama3 That video is utter BS, pure propaganda. If you want to see my opinion on it in detail, go to "all comments" and use the "find" function. You certainly aren't the first person to have brought it up.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon its not bs its the truth i'm sorry i dont recall the day the doc said guess what ur fetus is now alive and a baby . I have thee kids i'm only 24. i grown up poor in the hood by a drunk mother and drugy for a father. but that didnt f me up i guess like it did u . i had my frist kid at 19 me and husband do fine with our 3 kids . he finshed school and now i;m in school people just put young women down and make abortion ok by sayin its not alive . Get over ur past homie lifes hard
taramama3 1 year ago
@taramama3 Well even if you think it didn't "f you up," that doesn't mean that circumstances couldn't have been better, nor that it wouldn't "f" someone else up. As to your children, their situation seems better than most. 19 isn't all that young and you have a husband. My mom was 15 and she was a single parent. The point is that it isn't always a good idea to have a child. Now, having said that, abortion is not the same as killing a person. A person has awareness and a personality. Fetuses
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon (cont) do not. The fact is that a fetus is not aware in any sense, certainly not before the third trimester. The brain just isn't functioning. The propaganda video, "The Silent Scream" is proof of nothing. Take away the music and the doctor's voice, and play it at normal speed and there is no "moving away" - that would be impossible. The idea is ridiculous. Find something out for yourself; don't just believe obvious propaganda videos that seek to convince, not inform.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon no where in the definition of a person does it say they have to be aware to be a person your just and idiot
LiVeInMuSiC09 1 year ago
But you don't think either, and you are also an empty shell also, so based on your reasoning, you also are worthy of death. You are an idiot, no, you are just an evil soul. Your afterlife will consist of exactly what you valued in life, nothing more, nothing less. Gold and diamonds, but you will be isolated forever. We have the absolute right to be protected from souls like yours. You are a promoter of murder. You disgust me, you sick nazi, why won't you just die. Didn't we hang you (nuremberg)?
bonnarj7 1 year ago
Non sequiturs, ad hominems out of whole cloth, and even reductio ad hitlerium (Godwin's Law), all in just one post. I salute you!
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon Please! Write me back next year, after you have finished your sophomore year of philosophy major. You will then be spouting off about Hegel and all this other shit you won't really understand until you are 40, so please don't even try to impress me with your amateur attempt at philosophy, okay?
bonnarj7 1 year ago
@bonnarj7 What does Hegel have to do with basic logic OR abortion? You aren't making sense. Stop trying to sound clever, or, dare I say, like Matt Damon's character "Will" from "Good Will Hunting!" ...especially when you've already proven yourself to be an ignoramus. lol Anyway, fallacies are fallacies no matter what philosophy class you are taking, Genius.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon By the way, some things just are not understood until a certain age is obtained. Concepts such as objectivism can be read about by young person such as yourself, but you don't understand it yet. Some psychological processes you gain when you are older aren't exactly turned on in your brain quite yet. You obviously lack that thought process for now. This is why you shouldn't be preaching to us yet. You simply are still immature, and we are kind of amused by you though.
bonnarj7 1 year ago
@bonnarj7 Ok, Mr. Maturity, in all your apparent wisdom, and how old would you say I have to be before I can form a valid opinion?
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
an abortion is depriving a baby of growing up. they dont think? thats funny how do they know how to eat off the breast at birth? how do fetus's know how to suck their thumbs? im not even going to finish watching this lame vid ..
NawtyAngel911 1 year ago
@NawtyAngel911 It's an automatic impulse. It isn't based on any kind of reflection or thought. Eating from a breast is called "rooting instinct" and is common to all mammals.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon yea but i couldnt imagine killing a baby. weather its 2 weeks gestation or 2 yrs old. it breaks my heart. i wish these women would think first. in most cases aborion couldve been avoided. </3
NawtyAngel911 1 year ago
Abortion kills.
ChooseLifeIreland 1 year ago
@ChooseLifeIreland lol That's kind of funny. So does bleach. Your point?
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
wow i cant belive someone is this stuped i hate this video...there is so many kind of birth control so woman dont get pregnant, and kill babys cuz thats what they are babys. and if you get raped give the baby for adoption there is ways to make sure the babys get a good family and how can you say its worst to adopt? so you much rather be a f***ng murder?. i hope you go to hell this video is making me so mad
MsMariadelsol 1 year ago
@MsMariadelsol The point that you obviously missed is that a fetus is not a baby. A fetus has no personality, no individuality, no desires, no thoughts, no beliefs, no memories, no awareness. Kiliing a fetus is not the same as killing a baby.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
Well, what I find funny is that you never mentioned that aborting a child saves millions of generations in the future (i.e. curing cancers, terminal illnessess, ect.). This is what nobody seems to care for. True, it is the woman's choice to make a person or save a person, but that means she should never be forced. Your mom was 15? One of my friends actually was born to a 15 year old mom too, and his sister was born to his single mother at 13. So far as I've heard, his mom is still single he's 14
GBBWCETDF 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon So if your mom had gotten the abortion, it would have been fine? Is YOUR life meaningless?
You say that when you were a fetus, you were not yet you. So.... once the umbillical cord was cut, THEN you were you? THEN you were "alive"?
aaa333ify 1 year ago
@aaa333ify I agree he he is acting as if his life is meaningless. Glad I'm not the only one who relized it.
SpavVy1993 1 year ago
@SpavVy1993 yeah.
aaa333ify 1 year ago
@aaa333ify Wemon with health problems I can understand but if she has sex willingly thats her fault xD
SpavVy1993 1 year ago
@SpavVy1993 Yeah, because the primary purpose of sex is children.
If she used protection during sex, but the protection failed, its still her fault, because EVERYONE KNOWS protection doesn't work 100% of the time (condoms 80%), AND nature's purpose of her having sex was to make a child... that child was no accident!
aaa333ify 1 year ago
@aaa333ify Exactly! I'm 17 so I'm old enough to do it in the state I live in but I'm not going to becouse I'm not responsible enough to handle the situation if it goes wrong. I always say if your not ready to handle the situation then you are not ready for sex! It's simple. If you don't know the dangers of sex then learn about it dammit! Theres so many stuff out there to protect you like condoms, spermicide,birth control etc.
SpavVy1993 1 year ago
@SpavVy1993 exactly!
aaa333ify 1 year ago
@SpavVy1993 Hey! I'm 17 too!
aaa333ify 1 year ago
@aaa333ify lol :D
SpavVy1993 1 year ago
I only favor abortion to the 8th month
TatianaSword 1 year ago
@TatianaSword I think that's very reasonable.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
You may be ok with your mom wanting an abortion but think of all the other people who lived through it... They're probably really sad that their moms almost had an abortion... And why is your mom having sex at fifteen? How is it that teenagers are old enough to decide to abort something but not old enough to choose to have sex with a 40 year old man?
LlamaFighter90 1 year ago
@LlamaFighter90 How many people besides me do you have an opinion on the matter from? Stop speculating. And even if they did feel sad about it, that isn't my problem, it's theirs. What they should feel sad about is that their mothers were in a bad position when they were pregnant, and the circumstances of their birth were likely less than ideal. As far as the age of women becoming pregnant, if you don't want them having sex, how about being MOTHERS? You seem to prefer that... think abou it.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon If the woman isn't ready to have a baby then she shouldn't be having sex at that age or AT LEAST make the guy wear a condom... And even if you do get pregnant under any circumstances (ie rape) then just have the baby and give it up for adoption... That's not going to ruin the womans life is it?
LlamaFighter90 1 year ago
@LlamaFighter90 This is about abortion, not birth control so you are off the mark in pointing the finger at people for getting pregnant. It isn't what I'm discussing here, so drop it. Forcing a woman to bear a rapist's child is wrong, even if it doesn't "ruin the woman's life." More to the point, there is absolutely no good REASON to FORCE a woman to do so. It should be her choice, not yours. Adoption is morally worse than abortion since it is basically abandoning a child to the unknown.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon I'm not pointing my finger... People who get pregnant and have abortions don't need a finger pointed... And how would you know what a woman wants? You're a man... And don't give me crap like "my mom ruined her life because she had me" that's her problem Not mine or yours for that matter... And who said anything about force? It's called alternatives
LlamaFighter90 1 year ago
@LlamaFighter90 Alternatives? Duh! No one ever said she should be forced to have an abortion, only that she be able to make up her mind to have one if she wants. If you are against abortion, you aren't for maximizing alternatives, you are mandating that she carry the fetus by blocking the abortion alternative.
I know what women want because they EXPRESS it. It's that simple. I'm about leaving it up to the woman, not puting laws in place that limit options. There is nothing wrong with abortion.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
ABORTION IS MURDER. o wait, sorry for a second then the inbreeding and blows to the head from a hammer had overwhelmed me.
MinusG 1 year ago
By making the argument that the baby is not alive you are invalidating the whole point. The point is not whether or not the baby is alive the point is that the woman should have a choice. The baby is hardly dead is it? I mean it has DNA and blood pumping through his/her body with a heartbeat. So yes it's alive and it's unfortunate to have to end that life but sometimes it has to be done.
CanadianLulz 1 year ago
@CanadianLulz If you resort simply to the "woman's choice" argument, than you are being forced to value against value; choice versus life. But, through my line of argumentation, it can be understood that life, the simple metabolic process alone, is not enough to entitle a fetus to the "right to life."
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@CanadianLulz continued DNA is simply a molecule, blood is a collection of cells and plasma. A person is not their blood, or even their DNA, although our genetics obviously determine much of who we are. We are our selves, our minds. If something lacks a mind, it is not a being deserving of rights.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
When a fetus is growing, it is growing in the form of a human. When it is born, it is in the same form, a human, just more mature. You say that because it cannot think independently in the womb, it is therefore not a soul. But by the time the baby is ready to be born, it is undeniably a soul... so when in pregnancy does abortion become murder?
Phillipians46 1 year ago
@Phillipians46 I don't like to use the term "soul" because it is unsubstantiated. However, I think a good point up to which we can rule out personhood is the end of the second trimester. Before that point, neurons in the brain have yet to begin firing. After that point, we can't be so sure that consciousness does not exist. However, even after neurons are firing, it is very likely that they have yet to be orgainized into a whole that is capable of supporting conscious thought.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
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Phillipians46 1 year ago
listen u donkey ..there has been 50,000,000 abortions since 1973 and growing 4000 a day in american only...life starts at conception there would be so much more technology and everything more medicne cure and everything abortion is murder...
jadm7777777 1 year ago
@jadm7777777 I disagree. I don't think that fifty million unwanted fetuses would have meant a net gain in technological or scientific acheivement. Even if it would have, that would not justify forcing women to endure unwanted pregnancies. Abortion is not murder because a fetus is not a person, does not possess rights. Only a person that has a will to live can be murdered.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon ...ok it nis murder...but even if it wasnt ur still stopping a baby's life from continuing because if it wasnt a baby (which it is) then in will soon be a baby..so u r stopping the babys life by scrambling it brains....which is murder....doesnt matter if they dont want them either put it up for adoption ..or raise them yourself.....and sorry that i said donkey..i just was mas at all of u all pro baby killers
jadm7777777 1 year ago
@jadm7777777 It's not a baby because it lacks brain function, awareness, a conscious desire for life or anything else for that matter. It is not murder to kill something that lacks the capacity to want to live. And just because something could become a baby if left alone (or actually nurtured in the womb) does not mean that it must or should become a baby. Ending a pregnancy in its early stages is morally no different from using birth control to keep pregnancy from occurring in the first place.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon please im not going to argue ..if u think its fine to kill a aby just because everyone else does then go ahead
jadm7777777 1 year ago
@jadm7777777 I've laid out my reasoning for why I agree with abortion and it isn't "just because everyone else does." Quit being obtuse. Obviously not everyone else thinks the way I do. I have very real reasons for the position that I hold, as I have outlined. So far your reasons for opposing it seem to be, "it's murder... because it's murder," and that it means fewer scientific advances. Ludicrous. If you don't want to debate the issue, fine, don't post here. I'll have to try to get over it.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon we can keep debating it..why are you for killing babies...im listening?
jadm7777777 1 year ago
@jadm7777777 There is no reason that a fetus should be brought to terms, so it is wrong to force a woman to carry a fetus to term. It is her body. Killing a fetus is not the same as killing a baby. A fetus, for at least the first two trimesters is completely unable to operate mentally, has never even had a single thought because it's brain is not yet functioning. Before the brain is functioning, there is nothing to differentiate a fetus from any other non-sentient growth in a person's body.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon So it would be a baby..even if it wasnt which it is..so your stopping a baies life before its a baby and you think that is ok? are you Christian?
if you think you are you are not
jadm7777777 1 year ago
@jadm7777777 Stopping a fetus from becoming a baby is not the same as killing a baby, just like keeping yourself from getting pregnant in the first place isn't killing the baby that might have come about otherwise. The potentiality of something is not the same as the actuality.
And no, I'm not a Christian.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@jadm7777777 it not a baby it a parsite until the cords cut and if its her choice to do so fine but then it never fails that people thinks its wrong witch wronge and right is bull any way
1iwillkillyou 1 year ago
@1iwillkillyou lol wrong and right is bull?
jadm7777777 1 year ago
@GwydionMapDon right i think its a parisite until the cords cut
1iwillkillyou 1 year ago
You say that your mother was considering having you killed (via a pro-choice abortion) while you were in her womb. However, she chose not to have you killed. That is good.
Now, as a man who was not aborted and allowed to live, you use that privilege to advocate the "choice" to violently (and often painfully) kill others less fortunate than you. That is not good.
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 I consider myself a distinct entity from the fetus that gave rise to me. Killing a fetus is not like killing the person it might one day become any more than not getting pregnant in the first place is killing a person that may have resulted if one did become pregnant.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
@kweer58 And apparently you've entirely missed the point of my doing that. I can say that I agree with abortion easily despite the fact that my mom almost had an abortion. There is a difference between a person and a fetus. Aborting a fetus is not killing a person, just preventing one from being born, just the same as choosing not to have sex, or using birth control. I'm not so arrogant to think that the world needed me to be born, that I had a right to live before I ever did.
GwydionMapDon 1 year ago
JESUS LOVES EVERYONE.
mjt19741 1 year ago
I am poured out like water, All My bones are out of join; My heart is like wax; It has melted within Me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, Andy My tongue clings to My jaws; You brought Me to the dust of death.
The poor shall eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the Lord. Let your heart live forever!
mjt19741 1 year ago
I think pro life people should take a step back and consider what the actual LIFE of the child and the mother is going to be like if she goes through with the birth.
QUALITY OF LIFE means absolutely NOTHING to "pro-life" people.
they'd rather a 15 yr old go through with it and not be able to afford college and a great life for herself and her FUTURE CHILDREN which she may CHOOSE to have later
They are total hypocrites...
Nice video :)
Women should have the right to choose, always.
LadyGlamophonic 1 year ago
@LadyGlamophonic What is wrong with being Pro Life?
mjt19741 1 year ago
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mjt19741 1 year ago
But you are He who took Me out of the womb; You made me trust while on my mother's breasts. I was cast upon You from birth. From my mother's womb You have been my God. Be not far from Me, For trouble is near; For there is none to help. Many bulls have surrounded Me; Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.
mjt19741 1 year ago
your definition of life is very different from the dictionary's. also, your definition of murder is different from the legal term =/ strange. it's almost like you don't know what your talking about. sad
babertron 2 years ago
In ethics, you don't always use the strict dictionary definition. You don't know what you are talking about. As long as I define my terms, it doesn't matter what the dictionary says. If we use the dictionary definition, it simply isn't murder to take life.
GwydionMapDon 2 years ago
@GwydionMapDon If abortion is killing of the fetus, how is abortion not murder? The fetus is not scientifically classified as a living human. But no one can prove that.
The truth is: A fetus lives and breaths inside the mothers womb, His/her lungs are filled of oxygen provided by the mother. Science does classify the fetus as a living fetus but not a living human. So how is abortion not murder?
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741 the fetus is so unaware of itself and its existence that even animals have more cognitive thinking than it does.. then again certain animals have been seen at the 7 year old human level. You don't complain about animals getting killed though, do you?
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@IAmTheCthulhu I don't kill animals. I don't like it either.
mjt19741 1 year ago
@mjt19741 The lungs are not filled with oxygen until the born infant breathes on its own. Before that the fetus' cells are kept alive with oxygen from the mother's blood.
Largo64 1 year ago
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@GwydionMapDon "If we use the dictionary definition, it simply isn't murder to take life."
It's funny how you put that. Because if you look up murder in the dictionary it specifically says murder is the unlawfull killing of a human. So like I have asked you before, if abortion is the killing of a fetus, how is it not murder?
mjt19741 1 year ago
@babertron Lol man. He was questioning my ethics on abortion too. Like you said, the world is not over populated. So many people think it is over populated, but they never look at something like a map and don't realize how much open space there is...lol. I also respected what you said how a woman is more likely to die from an abortion than giving a natural birth. GOOD JOB.
mjt19741 2 years ago
when a baby is not born it is alive it's breathing. the only time i think abortion is ok is if the girl was raped. but if she chose to do it then she needs to deal with it and kids growing up and having a hard life happens i had a vary hard life but im thankful im here becouse i have alot of friends and family who love me. abortion can be bad or good depending on the situation, thats my opinion
SpavVy1993 2 years ago