I was told it isn't just due to the outside of the tyre, it's down to the layers of ply that they tyre is made up of bedding in to each other. I've had a customer spin up and highside an R1 outside my shop, embarassing!
Also remember not to just bang your throttle open, gently but positively increase it out of the bend to "feel" what they tyre is doing.
Most tire makers now use teflon coated molds so there is not any release coating used. This from a Dunlop rep at a track last year. Been that way for years he said. I'll ask about any preserving coating next time I see him.
He would off washed and cleaned his bike sprayed some tyre sheen on his tyres to sprouse them up and off you go not thinking nothing of it the next day and BAM your ass is grass down you go, it happens seen a lot off people do it.If he didnt do it then l stand corrected,sorry.
scrubbing wont do anything. They need to go through some proper heat cycles to get out the surface oils (meaning within the rubber as well) which physical scrubbing wont do. Shoulda given it a few days of 60% riding before canyon carving.. How do I know? I had a few pucker moments after installing new rubber on my 696 and trying to clean the oils off with cleaner.
Scrubbing tyres in my arse-thats an excuse for his crap bike riding,you lot are fkn dreaming about the tyres etc. You are in denial. Moto Gp bikes scrub tyres in for a lap,your 'gutless wonder' Ducati hasnt enough HP. You skidded on a Frog crossing the Street!!
DO NOT USE Simple Green on new tires. That does nothing to scrub the tires in. The smooth surface of the tire needs to get scuffed properly. The ONLY way to do that is to get them up to temperature and gradually increase your lean angles.
@cristianocollarin ....Try using simple green spray, it breaks of the mold release quick, just wipe it all off!!!.....or just take it easy for a few rides and break in your new shoes.
I've got a '05 Monster 620, even though mine is much less powerful than the 1000cc new monster, and my tires are just 2000 miles old, I sometimes got this rear slip due to cold surface and cold tires. I hope insurance covered all the damage to the bike. And I hope rider is enjoying his ride as i write this comment. :)
OK a few facts for you. I am on the lead bike in the vid. The crashed bike is an 1100 not a 696. The bike was one day old. The rider was experienced with excellent skills. Brand new tires not scrubbed in... just let go. Injuries were minimal.. no broken bones.
Any rider with tangible experience wouldnt be riding like that until he scrubbed them in and being able to see the mould release no longer on the tire. I also bet no sag setting or basic suspension set up was done. 99% of people never do.
Shame he went down and even better another rider or car didnt pile into his downed bike...
@8187daytheory It means to ride easy on them for the first 50 to 100 miles, you want to accelerate and brake softly and not take the corners too fast. This heats and wears the very top layer of the tire removing any oils/waxes they use to preserve the tires and gives them better traction. A most when ever purchasing a new bike or installing new tires.
Wondering, how many miles were on the bike? I hear a lot of new tires still have releasing agent or some sort of chemical on the surface of the tires, so it can take up to 500 miles for that to scrub off. Could part of this accident been caused by that?
@bobaab it's very possible... yes, there is a manufacture chemical on surface gained while making the tire.. but i don't think you need to drive that long to scrube it off... it's enough riding like 100km or 60 miles.. i usualy scrube it off in almost half of that lenght... with one tank it should be fine..
Staying on the throttle while feeling the rear sliding out would take incredible mental ability, not to mention skill: I better not get myself in that position.
The total miracle is that there was no oncoming traffic.
This vid captures a crash that far outweighs the noobie "into the tree" crash. I'd say that just seeing this could make you a safer rider.
Let me get this right: new tires...rear end slips out...rider brakes the rear....rear locks....rider releases rear brake....bike straightens out and high sides rider?
Please correct me if I am not getting this right. I'm a noob!
u don't even have to use the rear brake, it could be too much if you go immediately off the throttle - if your rear wheel starts to slip you have to stay on power, to avoid to give the rear wheel grip in that position - but I guess if you're not a real pro it's almost impossible to stay safe and not crash in that situation
@340PD he probably hit the gas too much and once the rear started drifting he cut the gas, and the tyre get grip. If you find yourself in tthis situation don't cut the gas gently reduce for gently reduce the drift
Looks like a classic 'chop the throttle' response to the back stepping out. New tires on the first turn out of the Rock Store - time to take it easy and let 'em warm up.
Great idea to go "on the snake" with the fresh new tires still "waxed"... Too bad he panicked braking with the front, could have saved it....maybe....
Ouch , the Bike!!!!
judgekongo187 3 months ago
damn! well its a good thing there was no cars on the incoming lane
CALI2TEXBOY 4 months ago
I was told it isn't just due to the outside of the tyre, it's down to the layers of ply that they tyre is made up of bedding in to each other. I've had a customer spin up and highside an R1 outside my shop, embarassing!
Also remember not to just bang your throttle open, gently but positively increase it out of the bend to "feel" what they tyre is doing.
RoadcraftNottingham 5 months ago
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RoadcraftNottingham 5 months ago
Most tire makers now use teflon coated molds so there is not any release coating used. This from a Dunlop rep at a track last year. Been that way for years he said. I'll ask about any preserving coating next time I see him.
mcmark22 8 months ago
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the next time do not fart in a bend...
23dpt 8 months ago
Same thing sort of happened to me on a new 696. The mold release/coating is nasty stuff. Scrub your tires!! For real! Scrub your new tires!
fusionvic 9 months ago
@megabreeze... New tyres are slippery as shit. Gotta stub em in.
PHATSo88 10 months ago
where is the snake? O_O
CombatFreakCA1 10 months ago
@CombatFreakCA1 its in Malibu California search mulholland snake.
SuperMotoVideo 10 months ago
twist and shout
Racketeerof89 11 months ago
OMG!!! IS YOUR BIKE OKAY??? you went up the curb slowly and stopped, hope you you didn't hurt it too bad
asdf8926 11 months ago
Looks Like He Found An Oil Patch... : (
MrJmazing1 11 months ago
how many crash`s u have on camera :D
nOseGoPro 11 months ago
its ducati dragon dance!
Mat7Sohai 11 months ago
He would off washed and cleaned his bike sprayed some tyre sheen on his tyres to sprouse them up and off you go not thinking nothing of it the next day and BAM your ass is grass down you go, it happens seen a lot off people do it.If he didnt do it then l stand corrected,sorry.
megabreeeze 11 months ago
@megabreeeze read the description, new tyres not tyre sheen lol
MxHondaCR250R 10 months ago
Man, that guy has more than luck on his side! Definitely could have been a tragedy.
prizm555 11 months ago 23
Rider came up before the bike. If your gonna lean commit till your through the turn...
AsianPerson3 1 year ago
gawd I hate high sides, missed a month of work because of a high side..
bigmike690smc 1 year ago
I always knew to wear new tires in before riding aggressively, but how does one wear in new tires near the edge without leaning too much?
yoshemon 1 year ago
so what happened
nikonxxx 1 year ago
@magnum5az ..yeah i even think we made eye contact...details are always clearer in person then on camera.
SuperMotoVideo 1 year ago
u on a drz in that pic?
mrjimbeam2009 1 year ago
@mrjimbeam2009 ..yup
SuperMotoVideo 1 year ago
always scrub your tyres in for at least 200klms
whatis07 1 year ago
whip it babay!
ktmboy1989 1 year ago
new tyres trapped by torque :(
Petrucci83000 1 year ago
Damn! That sucks! Glad the rider is ok. I will just stick to dirt thank you very much!
eric426guy 1 year ago
scrubbing wont do anything. They need to go through some proper heat cycles to get out the surface oils (meaning within the rubber as well) which physical scrubbing wont do. Shoulda given it a few days of 60% riding before canyon carving.. How do I know? I had a few pucker moments after installing new rubber on my 696 and trying to clean the oils off with cleaner.
absolutsoju 1 year ago
Scrubbing tyres in my arse-thats an excuse for his crap bike riding,you lot are fkn dreaming about the tyres etc. You are in denial. Moto Gp bikes scrub tyres in for a lap,your 'gutless wonder' Ducati hasnt enough HP. You skidded on a Frog crossing the Street!!
gemandbrad 1 year ago
damn what was that like the 2nd turn going up?
yes333yes 1 year ago
OOO NASTY FEEL YA BRO
sicwhitt 1 year ago
DO NOT USE Simple Green on new tires. That does nothing to scrub the tires in. The smooth surface of the tire needs to get scuffed properly. The ONLY way to do that is to get them up to temperature and gradually increase your lean angles.
Muzzy337 1 year ago
@Muzzy337 Can you just heat it with a blow dryer, then scrub with steel wool?
MuayThaiMMAjunkie 1 year ago
@MuayThaiMMAjunkie No.
Muzzy337 1 year ago
@Muzzy337 Thanks
MuayThaiMMAjunkie 1 year ago
i know it sounds like a bad idea but in that situation you might want to accelerate in order to stabilize the bike.
sillyman720 1 year ago
brutal
TopNachhhhh 1 year ago
Such a shame. Many damages on the bike?
cristianocollarin 1 year ago
So you suggest to scrub the tires before use when they are new?
cristianocollarin 1 year ago
@cristianocollarin ....Try using simple green spray, it breaks of the mold release quick, just wipe it all off!!!.....or just take it easy for a few rides and break in your new shoes.
SuperMotoVideo 1 year ago
@SuperMotoVideo you don't want to put any chemicals on your tires, that's just asking for trouble..
20-30 miles of easy riding is about all it takes to scrub a tire off.
Maybe this guy hit some sand or accelerated to hard out of the turn.
sniper152 1 year ago
@SuperMotoVideo True. Shinko's are especially bad about break-in squirelly-ness.
mikemk92 1 year ago
accelerating in a turn and also hanging on the bike instead of applying counterweight..... lucky nothing worse happened
JuuuuustAJ 1 year ago
EPIC FAIL
bigkiwial 1 year ago
I've got a '05 Monster 620, even though mine is much less powerful than the 1000cc new monster, and my tires are just 2000 miles old, I sometimes got this rear slip due to cold surface and cold tires. I hope insurance covered all the damage to the bike. And I hope rider is enjoying his ride as i write this comment. :)
zalambodont 1 year ago
OK a few facts for you. I am on the lead bike in the vid. The crashed bike is an 1100 not a 696. The bike was one day old. The rider was experienced with excellent skills. Brand new tires not scrubbed in... just let go. Injuries were minimal.. no broken bones.
Lesson learned: scrub in your tires!
Caseydzn 2 years ago 19
@Caseydzn
Good to hear he is ok...Those 1100 have some big torque so some grippy tires are a must
ionootz83 2 years ago
@Caseydzn So the guy wasn't on the throttle hard? Even new tires aren't going to loose traction like that if you are using steady throttle.
mooosestang 1 year ago
@Caseydzn
Any rider with tangible experience wouldnt be riding like that until he scrubbed them in and being able to see the mould release no longer on the tire. I also bet no sag setting or basic suspension set up was done. 99% of people never do.
Shame he went down and even better another rider or car didnt pile into his downed bike...
Glad the rider wasnt hurt
xdonniedarkox 1 year ago
@Caseydzn,
I always use a belt sander to scuff up new tires. Takes 5 minutes.
Intrepidman 1 year ago
@Caseydzn crash bike stopped in the exit of a blind turn on the opposite direction ? ...that would be scary
motogpslider 1 year ago
@Caseydzn I'm happy the rider wasn't hurt!!
Drivingeuro 1 year ago
@Caseydzn What does scrub in mean? Warm them up?
8187daytheory 10 months ago
@8187daytheory It means to ride easy on them for the first 50 to 100 miles, you want to accelerate and brake softly and not take the corners too fast. This heats and wears the very top layer of the tire removing any oils/waxes they use to preserve the tires and gives them better traction. A most when ever purchasing a new bike or installing new tires.
BigBassTurd 10 months ago
to me it looks like it hitted the gaz as he was coming out of the curve, too much too soon...
DangerousDan666 2 years ago
Hope the rider is ok! Looked like a nasty crash.
Wondering, how many miles were on the bike? I hear a lot of new tires still have releasing agent or some sort of chemical on the surface of the tires, so it can take up to 500 miles for that to scrub off. Could part of this accident been caused by that?
bobaab 2 years ago
@bobaab it's very possible... yes, there is a manufacture chemical on surface gained while making the tire.. but i don't think you need to drive that long to scrube it off... it's enough riding like 100km or 60 miles.. i usualy scrube it off in almost half of that lenght... with one tank it should be fine..
metalghostrider 2 years ago
Poor monster!
arbeia76 2 years ago
Staying on the throttle while feeling the rear sliding out would take incredible mental ability, not to mention skill: I better not get myself in that position.
The total miracle is that there was no oncoming traffic.
This vid captures a crash that far outweighs the noobie "into the tree" crash. I'd say that just seeing this could make you a safer rider.
Dan
340PD 2 years ago
Ouch!~ That's my brother! Wonderful... He is fine now but super ouch
jojojoye 2 years ago
dont go that far if you bike is completly new and you dont know it that good
der0arsch 2 years ago
if he stayed on the power he might get away with it
he should read twist of the wrist
tonicroatia 2 years ago
ouch..
VollgasHero 2 years ago
Let me get this right: new tires...rear end slips out...rider brakes the rear....rear locks....rider releases rear brake....bike straightens out and high sides rider?
Please correct me if I am not getting this right. I'm a noob!
My new 696 arrives at my house in May.
Dan
340PD 2 years ago
u don't even have to use the rear brake, it could be too much if you go immediately off the throttle - if your rear wheel starts to slip you have to stay on power, to avoid to give the rear wheel grip in that position - but I guess if you're not a real pro it's almost impossible to stay safe and not crash in that situation
Schaaf 2 years ago 2
@340PD he probably hit the gas too much and once the rear started drifting he cut the gas, and the tyre get grip. If you find yourself in tthis situation don't cut the gas gently reduce for gently reduce the drift
baldes 2 years ago
Looks like a classic 'chop the throttle' response to the back stepping out. New tires on the first turn out of the Rock Store - time to take it easy and let 'em warm up.
69U812 2 years ago
his tires were probably too new and not scrubbed in. his lean angle wasn't severe enough to cause that type of highside.
he's a lucky bastard tho, thank god no oncoming traffic at the time.
Adeysworld 2 years ago
Great idea to go "on the snake" with the fresh new tires still "waxed"... Too bad he panicked braking with the front, could have saved it....maybe....
namphu 2 years ago
He is very lucky there wasn't any on coming traffic!
venton3 2 years ago 2
Man that sucks !!
glad rider was ok, could have been worse lucky no cars were coming !
metrev 2 years ago 9
ouch.. looks like he rode it out.. as much as he could have.
sunofnun 2 years ago
Great Capture. heard about that crash, nice to see what happened
HwyVideo 2 years ago