Graham Hancock - Quest for the Lost Civilization (5 of 14)

[tangledweb79]

Hawass is paddling up the river denial...

[TheKipKadillac]

@aongoer but we do leave things in our architecture for information in the future. The Hoover Dam for example. has a star map imprinted on it, and the designer of the Dam said that the star map is in case in the future if all information is lost and our language is lost, they can look at this map and figure out when the dam was made. SO why can't other civilizations do that?

[2tame4fame]

That fucking hawass Gypsy.! Hey nigger, we know you fuckers are sheep herders and all you build where tents. That's why UK will never give back the artifacts taken, they aren't yours!

[lagook]

@aongoer there is a star map at hoover dam because the guys who built it wanted the people to know when it was made after all or documents or language is gone.... sorry but your premis is false, maybe small people who do small things like us only think about the now and assholes in corporations only thing about their one year product cycle, but there are other people who think big

[athiog]

A huge obstacle in true research of Egypt has been achieved by the arab spring revolt in 2011, Hawass has been removed from his position. We can only hope now, after the years of his deceit and lies, that real research can be done without him stopping it.

[a13jrsy]

Oh Come On Zahi .. Even A Schoolboy Nowadays Knows That The Pyramids Are Waaaaaay Older Than 4 000 Years .. And So Are The Earth's Civilizations ..

[jroccc823]

THE SPINX WAS BUILT 10500 B.C

[ArcLi7e]

@jroccc823 Sphinx.

[TheMitchConnor]

zahi is on the payroll. lol, its cool bro, the evidence speaks 4 its self. awesome video, very well presented, and hawass v hancock = watto v quai gon jinn, lol, truth

[lovesangels]

In all other monuments, statues, hyroglyphs, etc., I have NEVER seen anything so out of proportion [sic?] as the Sphinx; NOTHING. This leads me to believe that the Sphinx's head was altered, re-shaped at a later date and that it originally had the head of a lion.

[MissAuraV]

@lovesangels What if some cocky pharoh of the past decided to defile a great mysterious monument left by our ancients, the Sphix's head definitely looks more recently sculpted than it's body and it certainly appears a lot smaller. It reminds me of a small child taking off the head of one doll and replacing it with another. It just seems unnaturally out of place. Like Frankenstein's creature.

[timorekusa]

ok, but did the ancients (not necessarily Egyptians) have the same Zodiac signs, with Leo, Bull, etc? Cuz this part of the show hinges on that.

[DeeRugz4u]

AMAZING info!! i want to know what structure was in due West in 10500BC?

[ElGatoLoco698]

The constellation Leo was not established until Roman times. It seems unlikely the ancient Egyptians looked at that group of stars and said, that's a lion. You could draw lines from star to star and just as easily found a penis, or a duck. The constellation fallis. haha

[1CME90]

So if there are ancient structures at north, east, and south, then is there some monument at west 10,500BC? Humans are very interesting!

[Metalgear55]

so who do you guys think build the pyramids and sphinx ? aliens, advanced civilisation from other planets? who?

[Prizak1]

Zahi Hawass talks shite all the time and we all know he's only trying to promote the image of a glorious Egypt of the past for the sake of tourism. What do Islamic people living in Egypt these days know about glorious civilizations of the past?? Not even for a minute they should compare themselves to ancient Egyptians, who are NOT their ancestors.

[WatchRyder]

@Prizak1

Well said, I agree that there is some smug attitude that doesn't really suit them at all with the whole pyramids etc...

[ValisFan4]

The big problem I see with aligning buildings with constellations and then using that as a timeline for when they were built is that stars are really just random dots in the sky. This guy is using ancient GREEK definitions of constellations and hes applying them to 3 different NON-GREEK cultures who all had their own versions of constellations.

[chan0chap]

pretty amazing information,

if the sphinx was built over 1200 years ago im pretty sure the 3 pyramids and the cambodja temple were too.

[vohshkab]

GH is not a scientist or a historian he is a sociologist and he uses scientific expressions which impress the non-scientific community lulling them into a false sense of security making them feel like they share a unique insight that the scientific community does not get, which also makes them feel special. Most of his fans are likely science school drop outs in their teens or twenty's who want to believe this garbage. Creationists in America use the same psychology.

[razbodian555]

@vohshkab Oh but his field work time and his study as well as relationships with scientist and archaeologist is well beyond the PhD level. Therefor his knowledge though not backed by University and even shunned because he doesn't fall into line with those tenured gangs is none the less valid as theory. The same types black balled Velikovsky. Though highly educated the Sagan's and Suzuki's of the world all speak "matter of factly" when speaking of theory. Gestalt !!

[chewbacca4me]

Zahi Hawass always seems like a pompous ass to me in every interview he does. He claims everyone else is always wrong but he is right. I think he's just trying to protect the Egyptians from being exposed as NOT HAVING built the Sphinx or the Pyramids.

[hmfmi]

if angkor watt was built around 1000 bce (or whatever they said) and it was aligned with a constellation from 10500 bce, then it is plausable that the Sphinx WAS built during the same era as the Gyza pyramids... 2500 bce. it is also equally plausable that it could have been built at a much earlier time.

I have the utmost respect for Graham Hancock, but I can't help but notice how he is using Angkor Watt and backdating and acting as if the same can not be true for the Sphynx (weathering noted)

[theopowers]

Hancock assumes that in 10,500 BC the unknown civilization building the Sphinx would have called the constellation "the Lion". And he also says that in 10,500 BC that "Leo" was aligned with the Sphinx, Angkor Wat was aligned with another constellation, and Orion was aligned with the pyramids EVEN THOUGH THE PYRAMIDS WERE NOT BUILT FOR ANOTHER 7000 YEARS!

[onedollarwill]

10500 B.C. I'm wondering what else may have happened just before, during, and just after that date?

[ErinnE3]

This is one of my favorite documentaries of all time!! Ive watched it many times, always learning something new. Thank you Graham and Santha!!

And I agree with how incredibly annoying Hawass is.

[yayashua1]

This is absolutely wonderful !

[CARE2DOTCOM]

Simply.... remarkable.

[Nahtzo]

Thanks Graham!

[mainsqueeze1977]

The geology of the erosions are at least debatable (but geologists do disagree about it), the astronomical "evidence" is just bogus. Hancock just assumes 1) that the lionshaped Sphinx must look towards a celestial lion when built 2) that what we call the constellation of Leo was also considered a lion by the Egyptians and hence is that celestial constellation. Neither are demonstrated to be true, the second can even be demonstrated to be false.

[Jurmyhyle]

@mainsqueeze1977 im not really disagreeing with your statement but what of the depictions of the glyphics inside the temples and pyramids.  they look like they correlate with the astrological signs.

[mainsqueeze1977]

@Jurmyhyle

But what signs? Hancock assumes identity with ours, makes more assumptions and then comes up with that ridiculous number 105000 BC.

[Jurmyhyle]

@mainsqueeze1977 true the number is extreme and i haven't seen evidence that the our zodiac derived from the egyptian zodiac either but his observations are a fresh but baseless perspective at least at the time of this documentary

[mainsqueeze1977]

@Jurmyhyle

Actually, we do have evidence that our zodiac came via Greece from Babylon. The number he gives is solely based on his baseless astronomical linking which would be inconclusive even if we accepted all his "facts".

[Jurmyhyle]

ah okay, i didn't know that. thanks for the slight enlightenment but yeah you should check out other documentary "the pyramid code" if you haven't already. it would be good to get your insight on it.

[LambadLambadLambda]

@mainsqueeze1977

What do you two keep using the word "baseless". Those measurements do in fact exist, the temples are obviously designed to be lined up with the heavens, the symbolism matches up....there's nothing "baseless" about it. The evidence, as it exists, is compelling.

[mainsqueeze1977]

@LambadLambadLambda

I keep saying "baseless" because they are baseless. The alignment of stars and buildings is incomplete, vague and unconvincing. See the comparison in the other documentary, which cites experts on pyramids and angkor vat.

[yayashua1]

@mainsqueeze1977 Learn how to spell for God's sake........

[mainsqueeze1977]

@yayashua1

Maybe I have mistyped words once or twice but I can't see where. Anyway, quite an impressive argument on your part, allowing you to go back and chew on Hancock's nonsense again and again. Good day!!!

[Airportris]

@mainsqueeze1977 thats because you cant logically think for your self and you need someone with someone sorta important standing in society to tell you what the truth it, instead of using your brain and logic to figure it out for your self. kinda sad

[mainsqueeze1977]

@Airportris

A strange complaint from someone espousing everything that Mr Hancock says.

[Airportris]

@mainsqueeze1977 lol what hancock is doing is called applied research, he doesnt just sit back, read books and make up theories, he actually goes out and does hands on research. lets see you give a better explanation, please let me hear it

[mainsqueeze1977]

@Airportris

I am not faulting hancock for going out but for not applying enough rigour to his ideas. The Orion correlation of the pyramids fails, the Draco correlation of Angkor Vat actually does worse. Even if they proved correct (which they don't), there still is no evidence for his "lost civilisation". I am not positively saying it couldn't exist, but thus far (at least) there's zero evidence. (And re: Atlantis, that is confirmed a made up story.)

[Airportris]

@mainsqueeze1977 there alignments arent going to be one hundred percent accurate, do u know how big the universe is? so for it to be perfectly accurate is just not concievable. they built these temples and monuments to create the idea they were in there so called cosmic heaven, it was just a replication with the closest possible alignment with the stars. theres no way you can say there isnt some sorta lost civilization, they proved the sphinx is over 8000 years old and the pyramids were not

[mainsqueeze1977]

What does "not 100% accurate" mean? No critic expects that the match is that exact but the pyramids and angkor vat are way off the mark. You (and GH) talk as if it was established that there is an alignment to being with but that is NOT established fact. You assume that which you set out to prove, classic circular reasoning. It is not for me to say there's no lost civilisation but for you to prove and locate it with evidence. Thus far, you haven't!!!

[Airportris]

@mainsqueeze1977 built by the egyptians so if you think that then just dont even reply to me. there is evidence all over the world for some advanced civilzation. pyramids didnt just start popping up in different civilizations around the world at random, they were inspired by the same group of people, call them atlantis, whatever you want, the fact is there is myths and aboriginal legends that all speak of sky gods who came to earth and created man, as well the summerian texts are endeniable

[mainsqueeze1977]

@Airportris

No, the fact is that pyramids did spring up "at random", in civilisations separated by time and space with no known connections. The buildings subsumed under "pyramids" are in fact quite different (consider Egypt, Babylonia, Mexico). There are no legends that monomanically derive all these cultures from one ur-civilisation, as they are mainly concerned with their own. You also must allow for the possibility of every culture to start from very basic beginnings (which might be ....

[mainsqueeze1977]

No, the fact is that pyramids did spring up "at random", in civilisations separated by time and space with no known connections. The buildings subsumed under "pyramids" are in fact quite different (consider Egypt, Babylonia, Mexico). There are no legends that monomanically derive all these cultures from one ur-civilisation, as they are mainly concerned with their own. You also must allow for the possibility of every culture to start from very basic beginnings (which might be ....

[mainsqueeze1977]

You also must allow for the possibility of every culture to start from very basic beginnings (which might be common) but you simply move all development into that proposed lost civilisation that was only copied by all the known, real civilisations. And if you speak of legends about sky gods you want to eat your cake and have it: you cannot take them seriously but try to morph them into fitting into your precoceived notions.

[Airportris]

@mainsqueeze1977 so you say theres no proof or evidence but i just provided you with three examples that are irrefutable

[mainsqueeze1977]

@Airportris

You haven't!!! Just circular reasoning!!

[mainsqueeze1977]

@LambadLambadLambda

See Graham Hancock, BBC Atlantis Reborn Again

[Airportris]

@mainsqueeze1977 lol you mean the one that bbc edits for its own agenda, lol get informed child

[mainsqueeze1977]

@Airportris

No, I don't just swallow what the BBC tells me but judged the points put forward by both Hancock and by his critics and this way I actually got informed, son!

[Airportris]

@mainsqueeze1977 well doesnt seem like you get the point of what there saying

[mainsqueeze1977]

@Airportris

What who was saying?

[Airportris]

@mainsqueeze1977 and the bbc is so one sided, they made hancock look like a lunatic, if i was misinformed and mislead like you i would come to the same conclusion, the bbc are not experts on this subject, they just fool people like you to believe they are because there on t.v and they supposedly have the credible name of the bbc, but the bbc has been caught on more then one occasion on misrepresenting people and there work.

[mainsqueeze1977]

The BBC is onesided but so is this film, which makes everyone else to be boneheads and the like. The BBC are not experts but experts appear in their film debunking crucial points in GH's so-called evidence. To which he always reacted by insults, calling their criticism "nitpicking". It is not that but actual scientific rigour. You can propose a thesis out of the blue but then you really need to test it. GH is unwilling to allow for that.

[otterhead45]

that bastard Zahi Hawass..... just protecting his job.....

this gut always gets wheeled out as "the" expert on egyptology. like any "wrong" nat. geo. program.....

[HANNIBALbengal]

How foolish, just read the messages below.

A forest of black trees of biggotery.

Arabs are semits, whom have settled 1000s of yrs ago. Semites originate from Asia.

Hawass would be suspicious of the forked tongued pale man considering its barbaric , gruesome EVIL history.

Honor & respect is not a european element.

[HANNIBALbengal]

Stop manipulating n distorting history.

Its comical, ie Kristopher Kulumbus discovers a new world HOW racist.

For the record Im Bengali British.

[thesystemsfailed]

@HANNIBALbengal Do you mean your messages below? Your obviously heavily racist against the Caucasian race whom I would like to add actually descended from the people of west and central Asia. This includes north western India my friend. It's a little known fact that modern Europeans are actually rather new. Around 5000 years ago most likely in central Asia developed the R1 haplogroup which migrated to Anatolia. There the R1a and R1b haplogroups developed and later migrated into Europe.

[thesystemsfailed]

@HANNIBALbengal @HANNIBALbengal They conquered the first Europeans whom were descended from the Cromagnon that lived in the area. They had not yet entered the bronze age and thus were quickly conquered by the new and more advanced Europeans. They also migrated eastward back into central Asia. You may be interested to know that almost 50% of Indians have Haplogroup R1a. Meaning their actually the darker brothers of Europeans. WE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE ORIGINATING FROM ANATOLIA

[aratheartist]

oh what is the software they used to backdate the sky? i would like to get that too

[aratheartist]

very nice video. I would like to ask graham if he has any plans to add in another set of pyramids of either central america and or south america. I believe there had to be more than two astral alignments for 10,500 and I am not convinced of the reason why they were made, as yet

[LeMousqueteerBleu]

muslim arabs and truth don't mix.

[drreedindeed]

Defense of the status quo.

Wanna lose your funding and job? Question the Dept of Antiquities dogma and your entire career is down the drain. And you're permanently blacklisted from accessing any of the sites they administer.

I guess Wal-Mart could always use a greeter. :)

[dented81]

hawass seem like hes on the inside and has special intrest.

[thegoochieguy]

8:45 what was west?

[0alstonw0]

Arabs invaded Egypt in 5 b.c. I hate Hawass!!! You are an Arab not an Egyptian!!!!!!!!!!!

[Metalgear55]

@0alstonw0 so who is an Egyptian?

[0alstonw0]

@Metalgear55 See Robert Bauval-Black Genesis: The Ancient Origins of Egypt on youtube. Also see the book Black Spark White Fire also written by a white male.

[jayelowell]

It seems to me like these eygptologist are no longer the experts on Eygpt.

[domesticred]

hawass is a douchebag...i've seen him blocking before in many other videos...but he pretends to be a hero. plus he pulls his pants up too high!

[mgcbmw]

@sangstar1 ....may be he has his owm reasons, but there´s no need to say that about a person who has give all his live to Egipt.

[PseudoHuman16]

Every time I see Hawass he just anoys me.

[Airportris]

@PseudoHuman16 lol same here man, he said he knows the history of the sphinx n the pyramids cuz he said he can smell it

[PseudoHuman16]

@Airportris Haha, just saw a picture of him today in an article and I was like "ARGH, that man again!". They were sending in another robot in one of shafts of the pyramids. Last time they did that they just stumbled across an empty space and nothing more, there really anything of interest. If was really a useless investigation and Hawass said: "I think it is very special to see inside an undiscovered chamber which nobody had seen again for thousands of years".

[mainsqueeze1977]

@PseudoHuman16

Don't know if you do, but that shouldn't be laid on Hawass' doorstep. He gave in to the claims of those expecting treasures or secrets behind in the shafts. And sure, he sells everything he does as a great investigation and discovery. Hawass is a first and foremost a salesman.

[PseudoHuman16]

@mainsqueeze1977 Well you do have a point there. And I have great respect for his knowledge of the ancient egyptian writing. But he did gave permission to repeat the same procedure a few days ago, which frankly I find a bit unnessecary.

And I do find it quite cowardly not respond to the question of Hancock. Because he really had a good argument that the sphinx might be older and it wasn't based on some vague interpertation of hieroglyphs he did not even understand (what usually is the case).

[mainsqueeze1977]

@PseudoHuman16

Hawass cannot be expected to reply to any question, especially since Hancock has NOT made a good argument that the sphinx is older. And sensible arguments in that regard move in the "a little older" sphere, not in the 10,000 BC sphere.

[chewbacca4me]

@PseudoHuman16 Very, very true.

[razbodian555]

@PseudoHuman16 You and me both. Since the first time I laid eyes on him. I just have that feeling that all knowledge in the King's Valley is at his mercy.

[earthwalkerable]

@PseudoHuman16

I agree w\you whole-heartedly. The guy should NOT be in charge of Egyptology in Egypt, at all, EVER! After watching him and reading his papers for the past several years, it is obvious he will never listen to anything which MIGHT be "on the cutting edge" or even SLIGHTLY different than the status quo of present "egyptology". I am often disgusted by the lack of open-mindedness in this and other fields. Truly sad.

[ValisFan4]

@PseudoHuman16 Me too. I just don't like the guy. Everytime you see him, he is taking you to an "off limits area that only he can enter."

[Metalgear55]

@PseudoHuman16 why?

[JennRighter]

@PseudoHuman16 He is egotistical. He calls strong evidence a "theory".

[ankh4835]

the spinx is a blackman thats why they shoot the nose off

[natydredloc]

their so lamo, caught in their little worlds, all the square heads just have to open their minds

[chucholetsm8one]

thanks for posting this awesome video.

[mooners40]

what is there to the south? Surely if we look we will find a monument aligned to the south 10,500 years ago

[bigncornfed]

north was Draco, east was the sphinx, south was the pyramids of Giza...to the west? I guess you will have to help find what was pointing west! maybe it is in south or central America somewhere...

[elmarad]

puma punku comes to my mind there...amazing structure for the time that conventional archeologists put it to be...check it out on youtube

[mooners40]

if this sphinx has lasted for thousands of years and weathered rain erosion and sand and wind erosion why does it now need constant upkeep and restoration?

risible

maybe the wind and sand is stronger now eh?

and why has the nose disappeared? looks more like vandalism to obscure the original features than weathering given the small amount of weathering elsewhere over thousands of years

[mosiahmusic]

Soon the old generation of fundamentalists will be gone, and then people will be forced to draw conclusions based on the science

[chowany]

1:46 -pussy :D

[jamieball]

lol good eye

[LovelessCompl3x]

7:50 looks more like a rat to me

[vonspawn]

Zawi Hawas is a bigoted asshole.

[mrasskick1]

Indeed he is, they seem to restrict research into their own dogmas, only to back up their religious nonesense.

[onemessenjah]

I don't believe that he is a bigoted asshole (I do, however, resonate with your frustration with the man). I think he's passionate about a conclusion he's come to for himself and, in keeping with the workings of the human ego, will fight any evidence to the contrary. Drives me nuts, I might add.

[FireFox1914]

He's not a bigot, he's a company man. He tows and advertises the company line.

[nebo3003]

couldn't it be that the sphinx was hewn out of a huge stone that was standing for thousands of years, just that only later it was formed to be the Sphinx.

[onemessenjah]

I have always been struck by the disproportionality of the head to the body. These were incredibly skilled artists and builders and we are to believe that couldn't get the proportions right? Isn't it possible that someone other than the original sculpters chiseled the current face into tthe Sphinx?

[eving26]

Good point, that's the question I keep asking myself as well, I believe that the Sphinx's head was completely different in the beginning, what we can see today is the reason of "messing up" by pharaoes and their huge Egos:-)

[geniemist]

@onemessenjah wanna hear my theory? ok...here it goes...Chuck Norris roundhouse kicked it...the same kick broke its nose off...

[hmfmi]

@onemessenjah i know your comment was a year ago but im replying anyway.... regarding the sphinx, it's head is said to have been carved and recarved by a few different Pharohs

[karlkarlkarl1234]

@onemessenjah

It is well known that the head of the sphinx isn't the original.

[cszuch25]

@onemessenjah its a fact they did, the sphinx has been touched up several times. the head was once a lion built during the time of leo 12,000 years ago

[csbob2010]

@onemessenjah Look at the face...its African. It is not Egyptian looking. The Nubian's probably put the face on it when they conquered Egypt.

[slapcanister]

The astronomical logic doesn't prove the sphinx is of a particular age. Perhaps it was built in anticipation of a future precessional moment.

[Nekrotik666]

I´ve heard that the official dating of the sphinx comes from that its face resembles the pharao that was supposed to have ruled in the 4:th dynasty. I think that pharao just ordered that the gravelly eroded face of the sphinx was to be modelled based on his face as a marker that he had restored the pyramid-complex. And there are other clues to secrets concearning the sphinx in the Emerald tablets of Thoth! Look it up!

[dutchtruthseeker]

and the funny part is, it doesnt even resemble this pharao face, its even a complete other race.

[OldSmellyCrotch]

Yeah, it looks African.

[haikousei]

interdisciplinary research = archeology + geology + astronomy.

they should work together.

[PhilWithCoffee]

Why don't they just make scale models of the sphinx and put it under two weather conditions (sand storms and torrential rain-fall) and compare the results with the sphinx of today? That seems like the most logical step to take to add credence to the theory...

[saxquiz]

Sheet! This stuff is crazy!

[woodfitnesswood]

no5

[stonereflex]

does anyone know what astronomy program Graham was using to map the stars?

[wrb1957]

Some linguists state that Kufu didn't build the pyramid, but repaired it. Many modern archaeological dates were decided more than a hundred years ago...but 'archaeologists' who were funded by religious fundamentalists.

[OldSmellyCrotch]

Indeed and well stated. It's my opinion that it's the "Church" that wishes to hide these mysteries from us for their own selfish needs and control. I am currently studying Astrotheology in my own spare time, but the correlation to the Stars and Myths is, in my opinion, undeniable and of utter most importance. Important enough that is for me to spend as much of my free time as possible to understand what all this means and why the "Church" has spent so much effort to conseal and surpress it.

[badjesus666]

Definitely the Church more than anyone... what they're hiding most is that their religion is an illogical fantasy created out of a collection of ancient metaphors of astrotheology and shamanism which descended from the Egyptian and Greek Mystery Schools. The stories are also heavily written from a Gnostic perspective, and the 3 big Abrahamic religions have these people worshipping what they considered the Demiurge, which is just a tyrannical dictator.

[mainsqueeze1977]

@OldSmellyCrotch

Oh, yes it must be the church behind any evil in the world. Your posting is mere bigotry and says more about you than about anyone or anything else. I guess Mr Hawass is secretly a church member, is he?