The pros for the "googlization" of higher education far outweigh the cons. Do it now. We could solve major problems in society just by reducing the cost of education.
we can get top quality lectures from universities such as harvard. so, what are we paying for? laboratory usages? well, i think those are a lot cheaper; therefore, what's next in this chapter of education
Interact? Do you mean nodding while the lecture goes on and on? The professor getting away from the students who want to learn further than s/he had taught? Hang out with a bunch of classmates who think like you and ignore the others?
Unless you need a laboratory, presential classes are generally a waste of time and resources.
If you are getting a degree online you are being robbed. You can go to a brick and mortar university and then also take classes online... but having professors and a research institution are fundamentally important to learning. You can't just do it on your own.
well of course i was joking about saying it over and over... honestly, human action - ludwig von mises, 1949. you will understand what im talking about if you read it. the book is actually about the entirety of human action.
Absolutely about time! Overdue even. This scandalous situation of "higher" education's present state (overpriced, archaic "knowledge", elitist, out-of-reach for the average bear) is untenable. It is time for education to be free and accessible to EVERYONE.
@Medifro i'm getting on this train of agreement. human brain is our most underused resource when seeing it's actual capacity. to think we need upper middle class family nagging to produce the dedication required to be a doctor is unthinkable, but what about the early life environment of a well-educated family? it's sort of a potential that nobody in the west will invest in until it's already happened. cant sell them degrees and laptops before they've got the money and education,, chicken or egg?
@Medifro ...have internet enabled phones. During conversation they ask questions that do not need to be asked, just Googled. And it's not like if their asking what are the elements of gold or shit like that. No their asking how did they do that action scene in that movie or how why does our employer pay us bi weekly instead of weekly.
My point is that these are simple things that have FREE simple answers right in their pocket and they don't even take advantage of it.
@Medifro I love wikipedia. I use it all the time at work. But a lot of people don't use it because anyone can edit it. But that should be a good thing. If I come across an article and a very important fact is missing a citation, I open up another tab and Google the subject and double check the uncited fact and change it. 5 minutes.
I learn so much from Wikipedia on a daily basis. People don't learn more because they don't want to. I work with a lot kids in their 20's and most of them...
Online learning will never match the educational experience one gets from being on campus and in a physical classroom setting. Humans need to be around one another.
@prabhatpalpal the argument is actually about a more radical form of competition and accountability than most hack professors would willingly submit to. The majority of them will be weeded out by this revolution- only the most competitive will survive as lecturers. This may sound like a revolution too destructive to endorse, but consider the effect on students: entire nations will be trained by interactive video conference and youtubes of the TOP minds and speakers on the planet. worth the cost?
you were proven wrong in 1949 in a book called, Human Action. value is subjective, say it over and over in your head until you accept it, or just take the time to learn why.
well if the economics they teach at the universities tell us anything, its that universities will fight innovation like this tooth and nail because it would cause prices to drop... oh wait, they can collude because they have government accreditation. i almost forgot we live in a fascist wonderland. yes!! this will definitely improve the quality of the education they give us, right???
it must be google's business model thats good because its definitely not that they give the consumer value.right?
Most Universities do require cetain amounts of interaction to learn. However, some basic acedmical subjects can be replaced with noninteraction studies.
@ndyt fair enough, however live streaming camera feed of an instructor with online, interactive Q/A, and assignments, coupled with electronic transmission of assignments and papers can do the job. Being in the room in-person does not increase or decrease one's quality of education.
@GodefdMarynmadeJesus just 20 years ago if you told people they would be able to stream videos through the internet, upload videos of themselvesf that could be viewed by anyone, anywhere in the world, and it would be totally free, you would be laughed at.
they can but they would fail miserably... why is that more interesting or even relevant??? do you think the federal govt would do a better job than state govt's?
ive watched 4 videos of this guy now and he never actually makes a point
matchbox555 1 year ago
View, Safe Sex In A Bottle, on youtube
JOHN411S 1 year ago
The pros for the "googlization" of higher education far outweigh the cons. Do it now. We could solve major problems in society just by reducing the cost of education.
ronny9842 1 year ago
googleing and youtubeing for "knowlege" is good. But it only works, when you have a suky professor and you need a good explanation.
in a way it decreases knowledge and in a way it increases knowledge.
It is best that real and virtual universities go together hand in hand.
aandreya 1 year ago
we can get top quality lectures from universities such as harvard. so, what are we paying for? laboratory usages? well, i think those are a lot cheaper; therefore, what's next in this chapter of education
AznN00B 1 year ago
Interact? Do you mean nodding while the lecture goes on and on? The professor getting away from the students who want to learn further than s/he had taught? Hang out with a bunch of classmates who think like you and ignore the others?
Unless you need a laboratory, presential classes are generally a waste of time and resources.
efex2007 1 year ago
If you are getting a degree online you are being robbed. You can go to a brick and mortar university and then also take classes online... but having professors and a research institution are fundamentally important to learning. You can't just do it on your own.
Craigipedia 1 year ago
The internet is a learning/ information/ social revolution, growing exponentially with technology.. Way beyond schools or universities.
hqlion 1 year ago
@GodefdMarynmadeJesus
well of course i was joking about saying it over and over... honestly, human action - ludwig von mises, 1949. you will understand what im talking about if you read it. the book is actually about the entirety of human action.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
Absolutely about time! Overdue even. This scandalous situation of "higher" education's present state (overpriced, archaic "knowledge", elitist, out-of-reach for the average bear) is untenable. It is time for education to be free and accessible to EVERYONE.
shelaughs 1 year ago
@shelaughs I agree. Education for everyone at a minimum cost will solve 99% of this world's problems.
Good news its that the concept is menifisting in the real world. Wikipedia?
Medifro 1 year ago 5
@Medifro i'm getting on this train of agreement. human brain is our most underused resource when seeing it's actual capacity. to think we need upper middle class family nagging to produce the dedication required to be a doctor is unthinkable, but what about the early life environment of a well-educated family? it's sort of a potential that nobody in the west will invest in until it's already happened. cant sell them degrees and laptops before they've got the money and education,, chicken or egg?
tyrannicoystercult 1 year ago
@Medifro ...have internet enabled phones. During conversation they ask questions that do not need to be asked, just Googled. And it's not like if their asking what are the elements of gold or shit like that. No their asking how did they do that action scene in that movie or how why does our employer pay us bi weekly instead of weekly.
My point is that these are simple things that have FREE simple answers right in their pocket and they don't even take advantage of it.
JeffWithAnF 1 year ago
@Medifro I love wikipedia. I use it all the time at work. But a lot of people don't use it because anyone can edit it. But that should be a good thing. If I come across an article and a very important fact is missing a citation, I open up another tab and Google the subject and double check the uncited fact and change it. 5 minutes.
I learn so much from Wikipedia on a daily basis. People don't learn more because they don't want to. I work with a lot kids in their 20's and most of them...
JeffWithAnF 1 year ago
Online learning will never match the educational experience one gets from being on campus and in a physical classroom setting. Humans need to be around one another.
arcanist9 1 year ago
the argument is like saying stop using paper because you got iPhone....looks good in theory, doesn't works!!
prabhatpalpal 1 year ago
@prabhatpalpal the argument is actually about a more radical form of competition and accountability than most hack professors would willingly submit to. The majority of them will be weeded out by this revolution- only the most competitive will survive as lecturers. This may sound like a revolution too destructive to endorse, but consider the effect on students: entire nations will be trained by interactive video conference and youtubes of the TOP minds and speakers on the planet. worth the cost?
tyrannicoystercult 1 year ago
OMG another guy that has has figure it out that with the 'Net we can stay home attached to the PC and avoiding any human interaction.
peppeddu 1 year ago
@peppeddu
actually if we spend less time at school we have more time for voluntary human interaction...
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@GodefdMarynmadeJesus
you were proven wrong in 1949 in a book called, Human Action. value is subjective, say it over and over in your head until you accept it, or just take the time to learn why.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago 2
well if the economics they teach at the universities tell us anything, its that universities will fight innovation like this tooth and nail because it would cause prices to drop... oh wait, they can collude because they have government accreditation. i almost forgot we live in a fascist wonderland. yes!! this will definitely improve the quality of the education they give us, right???
it must be google's business model thats good because its definitely not that they give the consumer value.right?
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
Half the time Fora is far from "thinking" well.
seemoretube 1 year ago
@reed0the0red, this is way too slow, would take forever to have a meaningful conversation about a detailed topic.
ndyt 1 year ago
@ndyt
lolol what about video conferencing? way too slow for you?? you have to be touching???
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@oiuoiu988, conferencing would be fine.
ndyt 1 year ago
Most Universities do require cetain amounts of interaction to learn. However, some basic acedmical subjects can be replaced with noninteraction studies.
SkepticalDreamer 1 year ago
still need interaction with teachers you cant get from watching videos.
ndyt 1 year ago 6
@ndyt
yes, interaction.... not touching.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
@ndyt No you don't... and yes you can.
shelaughs 1 year ago
@ndyt fair enough, however live streaming camera feed of an instructor with online, interactive Q/A, and assignments, coupled with electronic transmission of assignments and papers can do the job. Being in the room in-person does not increase or decrease one's quality of education.
ocerg1111 1 year ago
@ocerg1111, that's not "Google-ized" which is what this video is about.
ndyt 1 year ago
@GodefdMarynmadeJesus just 20 years ago if you told people they would be able to stream videos through the internet, upload videos of themselvesf that could be viewed by anyone, anywhere in the world, and it would be totally free, you would be laughed at.
freaks182 1 year ago
I've got an idea for a much more interesting and important topic to discuss: "Can Public Universities Be Nationalized?"
adeadlysniper 1 year ago
@adeadlysniper
they can but they would fail miserably... why is that more interesting or even relevant??? do you think the federal govt would do a better job than state govt's?
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
no, it cant, you cannot get a college drecree via interwebz
greenhell666 1 year ago
You clearly don't get it.
PSK11489 1 year ago
@PSK11489 I do, there are already similar systems here in brazil, and they FAIL
greenhell666 1 year ago
@greenhell666, the videos would only replace the classrooms, some system of standardized testing would be needed to hand out degrees.
ndyt 1 year ago
@greenhell666
actually you can.
oiuoiu988 1 year ago
Yes, totally.
Shalek 1 year ago