Heart of the Swarm: Zerg Changes & Discussion!

[BillYiOn1]

the swarm host is just nasty... the holes

[Dantick09]

ultralisks that could burrow already made no sense now they will charge under ground 0_o wtf

[JaXonGraham123]

@Dantick09 its called a videogame, its not real mate

[AssFragger]

@JaXonGraham123 Who cares, you would be bitching too if zerglings had a rocket launcher upgrade.

[blah40000]

rag-dolls? are you fucking serious? I might as well go buy a sledgehammer and go to town on my computer instead of waiting for this...

[MrDeanlol]

some of these units are gonna be fucking annoying

[EclipseToys]

This makes me have a feeling that Zerg will be way OP.

[darnitnappa]

Will the cloud spell work on shredders?

[RidleyPwnsU]

YES. ANTI TERRAN SPELL. <3

[ZKoftherebellion]

Good luck scouting anymore zerg players, no more changelings for you. now you must an hero an overlord every time!

[Seger213]

for those that think that the viper will be OP against tanks and colossi you gotta remember that it has energy so you can feedback or EMP it...

[HolyPeanutButter]

the viper did not pull the collosi away form the zerglings, it pulled it away from the higher level area, thus making it vulnurable to zergling attacks once again.

[Pokemon5thgeneration]

time for idra to stop bitching!

[Pokemon5thgeneration]

i'm going to puke at that swarm lord or however it's named

[Pokemon5thgeneration]

those things in the ground are like less op lurkers.

[ReanimatedCheese]

burrow charge Ultralisk are dumb, now leaping ultras that jump over friendly units blocking its way that acts like charge, that will make you go "oh shit"

[Spoonpwnd]

You could pull million Enemy Workers with the Viper?

[Spoonpwnd]

Stop crying guys,

[darkar999]

taking away mothership is stupid. ^_^

zerg op scorpian stuff

terran got fast moving goliath 2.0 that can take out collosus just as easy .. guess no more vikings needed ^_^

[kimjb95]

man i thought terran and toss was getting op buff but i ant complaining any more LOL

[123LovelyKid]

stop moaning in the protos one after heart of the swarm there willbe mean shit for toss

[radauman]

Viper imba

[oawikeer]

is it just me or is that Ultra really small, or those marines are really big

[CoconutGaming]

broolker

[99Daxc]

You'd think marines would bail if there was a giant ultralisk sized hole in the ground

[nasaxSN]

are you kidding me reducing terran to melee range. Also the viper abilities really ruin marine spreads.

[Hu6CityRidah]

I like that dectector ability it has. It's kind of like the parasite for the old queen



[TheRealIntri]

Good old days when both Protoss and Zerg music had a story in it... SC2 music can be called music only with great self-denial. Except Terran, of course, I consider Terran music to be maybe even a bit more epic.

[MrUntti]

hey i'm zerg player but i say that banelings who can move while burrowed are to op. It makes other races to take detector and if you don't have it bb ground forges

[aruphbpaigsrhgahpr]

burrow banelings? op much? send main attack in then sneak banelings in and kill everything thats op. from a protoss player i never complain about op. but that is just op?

[SteveOTheMan16]

if vipers can "yank" protoss units that have shields that would just be retarded. if giant bullets can't get through the shield how would an alien tongue do it?

[MrGodzillahin]

@SteveOTheMan16 perhaps it grabs the SHEILD? the guy inside kinda needs to come along

[Pokemon5thgeneration]

@SteveOTheMan16 have you seen starwars 1? , giant bullets from tanks couldn't get pass it but units could , and basically his tongue is part of him.

[Td260]

inb4 everyone switches to zerg

[Eniacbc]

I don't see how the Terran new units can even hope to defeat the Zerg ones.

[oggedask]

@Eniacbc well now you will know how the first 6 month of wings of liberty was for the zerg players then...:P

[Nilithel]

Yanking him off the cliff so the zerglings can still hit him.

[Softcloner]

Everything will be nerfed in due time. These are just the first pitch. Infestors mind control got nerfed to pieces, these will probably too. So dont worry. The balance will be restored.

[ZKoftherebellion]

@Softcloner and by balence you mean "make terran as likely to win as possible"

[lolo007006]

When he yanked the colossus out of the zerg army, he was avoiding it to go into high groud... so lings could still attack it

[TheMysterystalker]

im starting to play zerg

[o0Manfi0o]

Well looks like in hots we will all be either complaining or playing zerg.

[kickfly222]

@o0Manfi0o Just like Wings of liberty with Terran .Oh Blizzard why are doing this first with Death Knights in WoW now Starcraft.

[mex20oax]

its been too much on the zerg side. i dont think is a good idea, they are all ready a fast building creatures... i dont think this is great for the opposite player. plus the charging ability of the ultralisk i cant see it charging doesnt fit the zerg no way. i might try it and if i dont like it im out for good...

[turtleface166]

the only balanced matchups in hots before everything gets balanced will be mirror matches

[turtleface166]

every new unit and spell for each respective race is basically op... I have no idea how blizzard is gonna balance all of these units without some major changes... we'll see!

[ShadowSkillzAssassin]

i find it hard to believe that blizzard will manage to balance all these new units D:

[1212ofomyzrc]

as much as i hate to say this... terrans basically are pretty fucked...

[maxtorin10]

@1212ofomyzrc EVERY OTHER RACE IS F-ed! Screw this, RIOT AT BLIZZARD!

[grasssss1000]

@jakoson7 if you play as protoss and the vipers annoying you just use a ruplicant and replicate it

[abalister8]

Zerg only got 2 new units because they didn't lose any except overseer

[leovieirah]

so...marine split no more?

[bltm1984]

Terran up grade is too weak. compared to zerg and protos, especially the zerg ones.this so called new Thor better be super bad ass

[endofline98]

@bltm1984 its hideous. Il be abandoning my beloved terrans for heart of the swarm. They took away my thors, I will never use those pathetic warhounds. If we wanted something fast and weak we would make hellions.

[bizdabuzanemanja]

Greatly appreciated the brood war music..

[LoneWolf69sg]

so basically zerg went to the mortal kombat world, captured Scorpion and used his dna to create Vipers... @_@ 

[D4n21]

Are these units real? and where in the game do they exist?

[MrNoNaMe1107]

@D4n21 it's heart of the swarm, the new upcoming expansion

[AntikerKlinowski]

@humbaphunbaba you mean "GET OVER HERE"

[cufsmaster]

With all this physics it looks soooo cool cant wait :P

[Visitormassacre]

Viper=Deflier, Swarm Host=Lukers.

[daSenfgurke]

do the units spawned by the swarm lord run out of time? otherwise you could just mass them up in your base?? oO

[Malnorm91]

@daSenfgurke If I remember, they do have a time limit, but they have incredible speed so they can almost cross a map.

[iOnlyHaveThisForWoW]

@Malnorm91

They do not walk particularly fast. The timer is also so fast that they'll die out unless you're pretty damn close to your rally point.

[jakoson7]

SO FUCKING OP

1 - Lair level detection virtually everywhere

2 - Hook siege tanks, that's ridiculous

3 - The cloud thing. against siege tanks. who can't shoot melee.

4 - Those locusts are tougher than fucking zealots!

5 - BURROW MOVEMENT BANELINGS - Peace, i'm out

[vdaug]

@jakoson7 there just bringing back alot of broodwar stuff back into the zerg army like it should have been..but ill agree with u on the burrow banes

[erikkudan]

@jakoson7

SO FUCKING BALANCED

1- Protoss have mass anti-air and anti-ground in the new tempest

2- Terran stop runbys with shredders

3- Locust last limited time

4- Burrow movement banes give you a way to ACTUALLY HARASS since they screwed with ling runbys and mutas can't do shit now.

[icefly20]

@erikkudan Baneling will get nerfed immediatly just watch

[ArtofSamsbeatbox]

@icefly20 I would be so pissed.

[fattymatty77]

@jakoson7 detection was always at lair tech :P

[jonah232]

@jakoson7 1. Not really, you have to build the unit, and it's hard to put units that can survive once they see the detected unit everywhere

2. Siege tanks alone are ridiculous.

3. Unsiege, siege is really strong, so it's a welcome change for those faggot turtles and contains.

4. SO YOU HAVE TO BE AGGRESSIVE, NO MORE TURTLING AND MASSING THEN 1-A KILLING THE ZERG.

5. That is fucked up, I agree.

[Hooraah33]

@jakoson7 So you're mad cause you cant turtle like a fag anymore? Naaaaaw, how cute!

[OliverFromSweden]

@Hooraah33 What do you mean? Turtles are not gay.

[PREDAL1ENWARRIOR]

@jakoson7 Shut the fuck up you turtleing cunt.

[noJutsu1000]

@jakoson7 the instant i saw the new units, i knew zerg would be fucking op. but blizzard will most definitely make balance changes once the game is released and the sc2 community voices their thoughts.

[MrGodzillahin]

@jakoson7 seen what the terran and protoss get?

[kavinh10]

@jakoson7 problem is they didn't fix anything about zerg's anti air issues the only useful anti airs are corruptors and hydras but with the tempest doing aoe and some guy tried a test game vs hydras where tempest came out on top by far.

[MrDonosoi]

@jakoson7 stfu. is even balanced ... idiot .

[yoshichanGAF]

@MrDonosoi I take it you've played HotS?

[4LackOfaBetterNam3]

@jakoson7 yeah, with burrow movement banes, we will have to put detection on each mineral line or risk losing everything. i am pretty sure 2 banes can ceompletely fuck up a mineral line.

[PharaChris]

@jakoson7 Those tears right there, so good.

[AngellScream]

@jakoson7 /agree zerg update is so faking Overpowered rofl, its kinda funny, what protoss have? tempest? and? what terran have? a faking homo Goliath? they gave to protoss tactical skill units, to terran crap ones dont dont do shit and gave all the power to zergs. This lord is so faking funny, 9 of em spamming 18 zealots every 40-60 secs and the enemy dies until u are zerging the entire map x0a0x0ax0a0xa0

[demoneyes990]

@jakoson7 you ARE kidding right?

And you think your upgrades are any less OP?

1) Radiation field unit insta kills so many zerg units, requires no real setup time, AOE damage and can hit air. yeah not OP at all -_-

2) Hellions which can now transform

3) Cheaper, easier to produce anti-muta mini thor that is essentially anti toss

Late game zerg has to get ultras or broodlords, infestors, cracklings, banelings and queens to fight late game marine marauder tank.

[AnimeCanada]

@jakoson7 The cloud thing. Against a wall, no one would be able to kill you.

[Livingas0025]

Every race got their buffs and they look prety cool and beatable !!!!!!!!!!!!! looking forward to hots !

[grooveheart]

I just want lurker back!!

[TheDarkCommander]

@grooveheart shut up this is not starcraft 1, just fucking play starcraft 1 you retard why make sc2 like sc1? just shut up and play sc1 if u want lurker and play sc2 if u don't care

[hryniowski08]

@TheDarkCommander relax buddy

[MrAdonis258]

so....viper is smoker in l4d... wouldnt it be cooler if viper is ground unit and burrow.. then suck any enemy unit in its range?

[xGuns0fHonorX1]

Swarm lord hatches Baby HYDRA they sooooo cute.......

AHHH THEY ARE KILLING ME

[TheXxRapXxGame]

Okay fagget tell me what is wronge

[TheXxRapXxGame]

Heart of the swarm is not mulitiplayer is it? 

[Mamdass]

@TheXxRapXxGame nice english

[davidgoesbananas]

@TheXxRapXxGame Yes, it's multiplayer. Are you new to Starcraft? Because multiplayer is kind of what starcraft is known for

[TheXxRapXxGame]

@davidgoesbananas When hots first was annoced it was only a single player game, but looks like it is multi now

[ZulayagosIscool]

@davidgoesbananas he meant the changes from the expansion were to affect single player only, you fucking mongoloid.

[TheBraaains]

Defiler is evolving! ... ... ... ... Defiler evolved into viper!

[fredguy2]

MAKE IT FOR THE SWARM!!!

[kaylaruben]

Were r my scourges! Fuck the new robot thing! It looks like shit just bring back the goalith!

[aridchimp]

it is a classic...like the carrier, which they also fucked to oblivion

[aridchimp]

it is insulting to zerg players to leave that unit out

[aridchimp]

where the nonsensical ground-spike is the lurker?

[1414why]

it would be cool if you can train the main characters.

[Keeps49]

Do you need detection to kill swarm hosts? and cant wait for the viper :D altough im going to miss changelings sneaking into your base hanging out

[NibiruShinIori319]

Swarm host should be named TRYPOPHOBIA INDUCER!

[imnotclostrophobic]

FINALLY I CAN YANK ALL GAME!!!

[nintwindo]

With the viper, can you yank something over a sheer drop? Would the unit then instantly die as they fell to their deaths?

[kitty5104]

Reverse dark cloud makes seige tanks go BOOM!

[TronKyLam]

Viper in SC2 is the Butcher of DotA lol



[iliketha]

it doesn't make sense for a viper to be able to "yank" truly massive units like colossi.

[yisoonshin12]

@iliketha I agree lol. imagine yanking a thousand ton weight hahaha

[startingsprinter]

@iliketha a lot of things dont make sense in starcraft universe. Zerg is protoss's main enemy in brood war, but then in SCII pretty much every new units ability counters terran instead of zerg...immortals, blink stalkers, charge lots...

[48tank]

U pull a shreder to your army gg Fucking bullshit Terran

[dadangsta]

quick, mass terran migration!

[thepudge626]

I want to know if the viper can pull something of a ledge

[yisoonshin12]

What if you can yank your own banelings into a pack of marines? that'd be sooo sick lol

[yisoonshin12]

Like how this expansion is focused on Zerg but it has the least new units?

[rgbatheist]

@yisoonshin12 if they gave the zerg like 5 new units it would likely ruin balance in multi player which is more important then the campaign

[Suplexmaschine]

I don't care if its high level, its just IMBALANCED xD

[Atarien6]

is anyone else getting tired of hearing, "I was always fascinated with balsawood airplanes..."?

[batmann12111]

Man Zerg from UP just turned OP

[ararat234]

vipers are rapists

[JHaskell4429]

Terrans are so dead

[Sunkan86]

Seems like it will be so fun to play zerg now! I really feel like they are lacking units compared to the other races =/ I really wanted to have the lurker back as well to make your enemies be a bit more careful where they set there foot. These new units seem like they will incorporate some really nice gameplay though.

After balancing out potenital super imbalanced strategies this will develop the E-sports even more.

Can't wait! :)

[Terminachaos]

only two swarmlings ? not like in the trailer lol

[Humbaphunbaba]

Viper: COME OVER HERE :D



[ItsAaronYu]

@Humbaphunbaba Then the marine goes "You want a piece of my boy?!"

[SirAiryFairy]

@Humbaphunbaba More like:

(Scorpion Voice): GET OVER HERE! *Yank*

[icefly20]

@Humbaphunbaba GET OVER HERE!

[Oakkerby]

wow cause zerg already have underpowered non unique flying types

[yanclement]

"I believe burrow charge is researched at the hive tech" ULTRAS ARE ALREADY HIVE TECH LOL

[Fubbymaster]

@yanclement ultra burrow, its an upgrade

[lagerbaer]

The jank on the Colossus was to keep it off high ground.

[MrZerglingRush]

ZvZ in HoTS = Death Grip Party!

[ZelatorUK]

swarmlord is not gona sit well with people that have trypophobia (fear of holes and pores etc) my gf has this phobia and I am a zerg player.... ouch good bye to playing starcraft when my gf is here :(

[Roshan3L]

02:15 PULLING A SIEGED TANK.....IM BLOWN AWAY

[asorlonnn]

CLOUD= useless seige tank and thor.

terran is so fucking useless now.

[blyzzards12]

For your information Mr./Ms. usuratonkatchi, Dota is the one who copied the character hydralisk and originally came from starcraft 1. Warcraft and Starcraft are in the same company blizzard entertainment.

[dustynutz406]

spell is not o.p man y cant u just run out of the smoke lol.

[leafblight27]

@dustynutz406 because zerg are incredibly fast and the reason for the smoke is to allow the zerg to close distance... 'in smoke, not able to fire' and 'moving out of smoke, while zerg runs up and closes the distance' is the same thing :P

[ExEDitched]

swarm host is fucking disgusting..!

[usuratonkatchi]

Starcraft developers took a hit back at DotA map developers (or whoever) who stole the Hydralisk. They stole Viper and made a unit outta him... =_=

[KaleJester]

anyone know if you can grip things off edges?

[raptorjesus11]

@KaleJester yes you can

[Haushaltsgeraet]

Zerg gonna be OP as fuck <3

[WishyLH]

Colossus was about to go to the high ground and he was yanked away.. are you serious HD? ..

[Machdude]

HYDRA BUFF!!! DO WANT!!!

[EGDekker]

Change the description bro <3

[fatguy925]

Antithesis of darkswarm... AntiSwarm

[rockstartower]

The classic music is so much better, I wish they used it in hots

[Benjefwil]

He was yanking the colossus off of the wall as it tried to climb up and escape. So it wasn't as arbitrary of a yank as it seems.

[taakataak]

@Benjefwil about to say the exact same thing, i dont see how HD couldnt see that

[TheFilletShow]

I'll preface this by saying that I play Zerg--based on what we know now and not my personal bias, they are the new race to beat. No major omissions (I can live without Overseers), just a bunch of cool new shit.

[asorlonnn]

I used to play alot of dota,

If anyone played dota wc3 frozen throne custom.

Viper has RIkimaru's cloud smoke,

and pudge's hook..

which are like the best spells in wc3.

[usuratonkatchi]

@asorlonnn Hook with Aimbot.

[asorlonnn]

@usuratonkatchi lol, yup, its going to be fucking redic, you can have that last thor or bc,

and it will die to a silly ling or muta swarm.

[Duathathedruid]

Changes for protoss? might want to change that HD...lol

[clonesniper92]

ur getting my thumbs up for that wow mention xD

[WrathOfLust]

it was a good demo video because the colossus was about to step over the ledge to high ground and kill all the zerglings lol so he yanked it away from high ground lol.

[matt37636]

built 20 swarm lords and nothing can get past? I got an idea. cloak banshee and a raven and your fine.

[aclock2]

Zerg is madly stronger.

Terran is the same, if not weaker

Protoss is more tricky

[jonyboy2133]

Cloud on choke point. gg.

Seems like everything they put gonna be nerfed.

[Roshan3L]

how long is the lifetime of a locust ?

[Roshan3L]

swarm host seems weak and crap.....Viper with cloud im very happy

[leafblight27]

@Roshan3L weak as crap? srsly? the locusts it spits out are essentially roaches with a melle attack. Imagine if you get 50 of them. 100 roaches running up to your opponent. every 30 seconds, how the FUCK is that crap, I'd shit my pants if I was a turtle happy terran.

[Roshan3L]

@leafblight27 the face you come with rational retarded numbers...is hilarious....1 you dont know their unit cost....their build time....the looks of it says me these units are not massable....and if they are its about good positioning...i prefer a zerg units that req some creative input instead of a staionary unit

[leafblight27]

@Roshan3L its stats are up on the blizzard website. Now go facepalm yourself in the corner.

[Roshan3L]

@leafblight27 sorry but i do have a life unlike you to check everything every second anime american scrub...enjoy your bronze league analist hahahahahaha