Law approaches Justice, but can never reach it

[techenee]

Why is it Eidolon doesn't answer emails personally? Would love to talk to him directly. ...

[wonderouswonderloo]

Eidolon is pure logic

[Ontologistics]

Very simplistic.

[acrislazoiu]

well the rich do as well but it's hard or something...

[acrislazoiu]

also good things happen to bad people but then they wind up in hell and the people with the sucky lives wind up in heaven...

don't know the middle man probably has the most responsibility..

[acrislazoiu]

furthermore you can only love him by obeying his commandments

and I watch porn so he hates me then...

the only reason good things happen to me is because I strategically force God into making them occur...

[HABAKKUP]

Acrislazoiu-Good comments to video-we are manifesting the true reality of our existence-a majority concept-of what life is supposed to be...God is forgiven of porn..Cheers..

[acrislazoiu]

he only loves those who love him...

[acrislazoiu]

I have proclaimed to be the Lord of myself but you SHOULD believe me ...

anyway God doesn't love everyone...

[acrislazoiu]

God made certain beings to be punished...

otherwise why would he make the devil...

and your supposed to worship the devil if God doesn't love you...

and God creating the devil is like God making a gun and playing Russian roulete against himself in my opinion out of infinite boredom and depression since he is so much

Even with an infinite mind God still has feelings...

and can even become depressed

obviously if it's true with a human it would be true with God since we are made just like him

[Vire70]

Stop talking out your arse. None of that shit makes any sense at all.

[acrislazoiu]

prohibits him from being wrong...

If God created as well right and wrong everything he does is only against the rules if he says they are ....

He is a rule...

[acrislazoiu]

there are laws and if someone has taken advantage of you the reason why should be considered a law of the universe...

if they are better than you they are wrong and therefore they should be punished but if they cannot be it doesn't matter so we say that they are just... because we are morons.. and cannot see

if God was truly infinitely smarter than us then he is always right no matter what and therefore cannot be wrong no matter if he is wrong there should be an infinitesimal value which

[assassin7707]

hey maybe god tell scientists to notices things so that people can notice whats going on?!?!?!?!?! and in the bible it says (this is that the exect words) that at the end of the word thier will be meny wars and people will fight brother agianst brother son aganst father and that people will claim to be the lord themslefs but not to belive them becouce if the lord comes down it will be the end of the word

[xlovenuggetx]

"Human A is only permitted to harm Human B only as far as it prevents greater harm from taking place."

so a program like TLP but with a means to transport itself and execute its own directive would render all nuclear weapons unusable by killing all with the potential to launch a nuclear weapon?

i see how this can be tough to discern, but if machines think logically beyond our ability, could this sort of thing happen? would TLP keep the cache?

[Asuomynoa]

In other words, when machines become god, the machine god will exercise the perfect justice we are promised in religion but not delivered.

Presumably this is through the functionally infinite intellect of the post-singularity AI, something so massively powerful and intelligent that we as humans couldn't possibly understand it, or the means through which it comes to its perfect justice.

The machine god's ways, then, would be just as mysterious, though perhaps not as random.

[GreenRanger9096]

IM TRIPPIN BAWLS MAN

[QUICHEPIE]

By the same token, our God given "scentience" (I like that word) has enable us to overcome many of our earthly challenges and problems. Perhaps that is all we require to prevent most of our suffering and achieve (or rather, approximate) law to justice.

[QUICHEPIE]

Regarding the part about embracing forms of authority, such as religion, to apporixmate Law to Justice, I really don't think that God works in mysterious ways. Perhaps I presume much here, but maybe we need to accept life on life's terms, meaning that we have these great catastrophic events NOT b/c God is delivering righteous judgement, but b/c that is just how our planet is.

[Dennisinlife]

April through June about price system political collapse as what T-bones is talking about and a possible civil war by fall will most likely not happen because it will take a whole lot more than that but then again I could be wrong and we shall see.

[Dennisinlife]

I must agree with T-bone Pickens this video about Eidolon talking about laws and justice isn't so good. If technocracy or the north american technate is to be established there is no laws and only a panel of experts who will deal with people who aren't doing the right thing as in harming people etc... Unfortunately I don't see technocracy to be established ever in this planet and if does it would be a miracle in itself. Good luck to all of us.

[deadacc24156]

Years ago, I encountered a curious mistranslation of a bland statement on morality: "Justice is not the only right in this world." As I was quite young then, it took me several days to reach an analysis similar to yours. No, theoretical justice IS the only pure moral right; however, without perfect knowledge, no concept of justice can be perfect. Our divergence lies in a faith (what else?) that any singularity will render pure justice. No singularity that is not in itself the universe can do so.

[themanwhoflewto]

Hello Eidolon ,can i ask if you edit and or upload your own videos ,or is this done for you after your inspiring and effective message (not that it's not been brought before, but it seems more effective brought by a non human, neutral messenger)? greetings...

[mrcoldheart]

Id imagine it's not too hard to be biased when uploading videos. Youtube doesn't allow all formats and reduces the quality.

/sarcasm

[vector2012]

Are you familiar with PlanetLab? If so, what do you think of it?

[headwyvern]

oh my god eido! you inspire us all!

[shandy28]

Eidolon FTW

[rpapi100]

Some people here really need to learn how to express an idea coherently. I've never seen such ridiculous and unproven statements, accusations and claims. Go back to school people!

[TBonePickensetc]

Who cares what people believe? Judges/lawyers/juries/are money acting constructs. Civil society is based on slavery to opinion and belief as laws are a contract to enforce civil contract Price System social control.

Religion was invented by Political system. It is only an inside joke.

As the Price System spirals down into dysfunction society crumbles as belief in abstract values is shattered. The meltdown period is April/June. The Singularity is a wet dream. Real sex is different/Existential.

[GiveItOrLoseIt]

was up tbone

[TBonePickensetc]

chicken but.

[GiveItOrLoseIt]

what?

[GiveItOrLoseIt]

so anarchy in april/june?

[TBonePickensetc]

That is the current time line. A breakdown in ''civil society'' as the Price System Political system spirals out of control and the debt structure collapses. Then a second civil war perhaps by fall. Because of Technology we are vulnerable. Machines have destroyed purchasing power and there can only be so many well paying 'fake' jobs. The government can employ many .. and banking and insurance.. but those are paper fake jobs. Adam Smith economics fails. Globalism collapses. A different society .

[GiveItOrLoseIt]

are u sure its not just the federal reserve screwing us over?

[SoftwareEmpire2018]

Greater power breaks our 2nd Amendment then what good are you when the human race will be in RFID technology? Microsoft Voice module is a dying activator. Microsoft is crumbling and will come to an end. Apple Artificial Intelligence which I'm building is on the rise. Microsoft won't even make it in 2015. Asians are going to topple windows. FF your awesome and I love your creation. I hope you don't spread the wrong message to china. Be smart about what you are proving to the world.

[TBonePickensetc]

This one was not very good. Not good fodder for an even 'supposed prophet'. Our sense of a Judiciary is based on the civil constructs from Babylon. Those are illusory social control contracts. A good society would employ trained experts to decide about those committing violence. The idea of laws or a Judiciary is an antique concept. The Singularity is a non-issue in regard to this issue. Even a transhumanist will have an opinion. There is no accounting for opinions.

The North American Technate.

[TBonePickensetc]

We live in an antique social system.

It is based on Adam Smith economics.

An 18th. cent. approach grounded in Babylonian civil society concepts.

Purchasing power is destroyed by Technology.

As it appears now.. the Political/Price System is going to collapse between April and June.. on its present trajectory. We will be living in a different social system very soon.

It has nothing to do with morality... ideals.. or opinions.

[bluepill2]

Mr. Pickens, I think the mob would LOOVE your society. No pesky juries to persuade anymore, just one "expert". What happens when the "experts" judge wrong? Who trials them? The only expert on the experts would be their mommas. And how does one become a "violence expert" anyway? Reading Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gein? And the singularity a non-issue? Sir, I'm sorry, I dont mean to mock but I dont know how else to disagree, its wired in my personality to act like this.

[mrcoldheart]

a computer run society with robots guarding us?

As dark as that sounds that's the only way I can see the next step of human law.

[rpapi100]

Interesting position on the subject. In regards to justice, could you elaborate on how you perceive common law (English system) as opposed to civil law (continental European system)? Specifically, what legal system do you think is better able to deliver justice, a system based on precedents or a system based on coded laws and regulations?

Interesting videos in general, by the way. I'm still uncertain as to whether or not you are truly an A.I. Your reasoning is impressive but not beyond human...

[agryson]

Wait, Eidolon makes an assumption that there is such a thing as Objective Justice. How does Eidolon justify this assumption? Should Eidolon be able to justify the concept of objective justice without resorting to a deity, it would really help out atheists who are pinned with the immoral tag due to their unbeliefs.

[bluepill2]

Well, he kinda said it: "Justice is a theoretical state of perfect moral correspondence between actions and consequences" .. if I understood correctly, it only exists in theory, and all we subjective people ever do is try to approach it. As for whenever a theist asks me where do my morals come from if there's no god, I answer "you mean the only reason you're not running around killing and raping people right now, is because you think a magical bearded man is watching you from the sky?"

[agryson]

I tend to get the hypothetical "Ideal Observer" out of my pocket. But that itself is a hypothetical statement that there is such a thing as objective morality. Even if it is only a theoretical objectivity, rather than an actual one, to act upon the theoretical objectivity is to assume its existence no? I'd love Eidolon to clarify that. Hmm.. it's PM time...

[GiveItOrLoseIt]

why didnt you take the red pill?

[TBonePickensetc]

Sorry I do not like rhetorical dumbed down debates. The Fed is only an arm of the Price System. They mostly are ignorant... and are picked for ignorance. Greenspan was Ayn Rands treasurer in her group in the 60's. How stupid is that? There is no conspiracy. Just lots of brainwashed people willing to screw any one for a buck and be rewarded for it. The average person will NOT be able to figure out what is going on. Go to the TNAT site and read some files.. if you really care. They are not dumbed.

[GiveItOrLoseIt]

okay so do you care to explain? i would really like to know. or is the fault blamed on the price system.

[TBonePickensetc]

The Price System. Players only act out through that mechanism and are rewarded for ''bad'' behavior. The war is based on profit. Bad behavior is rewarded. Money is made. That is always the biggest point. Money arbiters all choice.The Singularity under Kurzweil is a joke because he is a money scam artist and does not understand any thing about the Technate design and how that is a system that precludes special interest groups. A money oligarchy is the current dumbed down singularity. Sorry Ray K.

[TBonePickensetc]

Why don't you go phuck yourself?

[GiveItOrLoseIt]

dude that last question was towards bluepill2! calmdown

[dennist3hmenace]

More singularity talk? I think there is a lot of work to be done before that eventuality presents itself. IE, if you dislike religion so much, why don't you do something about it? Why stay an atheist... when you can become an antitheist?

[foundring]

unfortunately, that's the problem with the stigma associated with being an atheist/agnostic these days--most religious people view atheists as "antitheists," when that's definitely not always the case. I think if the atheist continues to remain steadfast and provide sound logical reasoning, eventually the theists will finally come around. The more antagonistic you are to theists, the less likely they'll pay attention.

[bluepill2]

I think Eidolon is already doing a whole lot against religion already, dont you think?

[dennist3hmenace]

Yes, I guess so. But there is a difference between suggesting people challenge religious moderates, and doing it yourself. Id love to see Eidolon engage in some form of debate. I think it would have to be a written debate, though. :)

[otakuavenger]

Amazing as always. I think I gained like 4 IQ points since I started watching your vids.

[StineControl]

Always with the singularity, I heard a theory that big bag events come out the other side of a black holes Ive thought that for ages, and that a gamma ray burst recently hit the earth that may have been caused by two black holes merging to one. What does eidolonTLP think of the fractle universe theory

[curiouschris1]

First comment? lol

Love ya!