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  • Wow, this sucks.

    

  • Looked pretty rookie to me, dropping spent mags(always retain), spacing, shitty stances, bad mechanics, tapping coming in?, reload mechanics are shit. I hope you're not to a combat zone representing yourself as some top flight operators...a lot of people out there playing operator..i don't care if you post it as outtake or not, shouldn't be an outtake, wannabees

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  • ok i see these are outtakes. still though. make sure your friends are grabbing mags properly (nice beer can grip), and have speed reloads mags in the easiest to reach pouch. my 2nd comment may have been a bit harsh, but i see that if these are outtakes, and for the play of the drill, you may be doing some things on purpose. I'd take a knee, regardless though

  • ..clear malfunctions or conduct speed reloads. Also, dispersion is horrible, and what is the point of this particular drill? You only peel out horizontally, when you can't bound back in elements/teams/pairs/etc. If this is to get out of a bad situation, then you need to at least take a knee, if not go prone, or quickly element bound to cover. Why are people not reaching for the easiest to reach mag on their speed reloads? Why are people grabbing their spent mag first during a speed relaod?

  • OK....why is the chick who first peeled, tapping the shoulder of the guy she sets in next to? You only give them a tap to let them know THEY are peeling next..you don't tap the guy you just set-in next to. Also, why did that first indivudal take the weapon out of his shoulder during the malfunction drill? You guys need to tighten up your stances, tighten up your weapons manipulation, and either keep the weapon in your shoulder, or deliberately tuck it into your "workspace" to....(cont.)....

  • cool

  • retards and their drop legs lol

  • Hit... the.... ground.... stay.... LOW!!!

  • bang bang bang

  • im seeing some really crappy shooting stances but pretty cool.

  • @ cannon40b, that wouldn't even have to be a grenade, a simple automatic burst would knock them all down too :p

  • @lou10 There's that full auto shit again. When you finally get to fire full auto, tell us about it.

  • i almost forgot , the reloading was pis poor to.....

  • @sandclan7 Show us how it's done by posting a video of you and your team doing the same thing in a less "shitty" manner.

  • that is the worse horizontal peel in nato , u guys should'hv done it over before posting it up.....

  • @sandclan7 Get us in the "know" by posting your video. Otherwise, keep your thoughts to your clan.

  • Where's your spacing team? one granade your all dead. Tactical FAIL!!!

  • @cannon40b , What if you are covering angles in a sweep? Yeah, given that range is a factor too and they might be grenaded. But, I guess as you might also might have figured this out that they might be working on safety measures and are training 5 folks instead of the usual 2 or 3 in a fire team.

  • decent, but to much smiling and laughing with live ammo.. these guys are not pro's they swept their muzzles on their buddy's as they peeled... thats deadly not good.. CRAWL...WALK...RUN.. thats how training should go.. or K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid)

    or even SLOW IS SMOOTH AND SMOOTH IS FAST.... use these for your live fire training, and always always remember the basic four safety rules (treat.never.keep.keep)

  • @shootload1911 No muzzling occured. It just appears so on video.

  • @shootload1911 the problem with the 2nd "K" on treat never keep keep, is that it gets Marines in the habit of flipping back on safe during their search and asses. You should be searching and assessing on "Fire". ie, don't be so safe that it's unsafe in actual combat. Also, Treat never keep keep is missing the 5th rule, "know your target, and consider its background and foreground"

  • Shity video,but I wanna get those guns!!!!!

  • @maximanttra come and get them.

    

  • I still cant get this damn banana open!

  • The principal is there, cover fire and manuever. What's everybody complaining about anyway, looks like they're having a fun day at the range. I'd trade places with them in a heartbeat. Always remember, fire without manuever is a waste of ammo. . .and manuever without fire is suicide.

  • Am I the only person that actually enjoyed watching this?

  • Oh hi its me once again, you may want to see how the US Navy SEALS do this technique, you also have to remember that every service has their own spin, so don't complain because it isn't done the same way....The video is...".Navy SEALs Move Shoot Tactics"

  • @pinay56 : no I don't want to see the SEALS do it. I want to see you and your team do it. I dunno what's keeping you from posting it. Enlighten me and the rest who follow your guru speak.

  • For one thing all of you have just died, because your team members have looked down, and taken their eyes off their opponents while trying to change mags. Secondly, the PEEL is done to retreat to a fortified position, while putting up a steel curtain of lead. Each person that is going to peel will dump a magazine (Full-Auto), then fall back, the next the same, the next so on and so forth, till they reach the area.

  • @pinay56 :a Full auto huh? Down boy, down boy. When you finally get to fire a real gun, tell me about your full auto shit. That's drama with little efect down range. Anyone who shoots half as decently as you would know it is ineffective. A curtain of lead for the great many is well directed semi auto fire hammered down range. Imagine the team all engaging in a mag change 2.5 secs into a firefight. Your early morning fart takes longer than that.

  • @docwuwu Ok are you stupid? The guy is right. You want the enemy suppressed and maximum covering fire while the rest peel

  • @GoBIGclan I am not stupid but I know you are. I wanna see you "peel' your team. In 2.5 seconds, your line would be silent and running for their lives. Now that would be good won't it? One less set of stupid guys runnin' around in this world.

  • @docwuwu Stop being ignorant and listen to us. We already explained that all men don't just dump their mags on contact. Look at your video again. Now pretend you are the enemy and are off camera looking at your guys. I don't know about you, but if an average gunsman were the enemy, your whole group of buddies would be on the ground bleeding out pretty quick. You move to slow and don't give enough aggression to get out of any situation.

  • @GoBIGclan : Your biggest rebuttal is to show us a video of you and your team doing it the way you say it's supposed to be done. Till then, anything you say is rubbish to me.

  • @docwuwu I do not have a 'team' nor the means to show you how my self. However I have extensive knowledge and common sense regarding it. But STILL your being ignorent. You show that shit to any special forces group and they will laugh in your face. You show that shit to the enemy and they will shoot your face. Its like you keep trying to put us down saying your team is better than ours and you are practically the best when you are not.

  • @GoBIGclan : Don't think for a minute that I thought you had a team and the means to show me how it is done. I was just  baiting you into telling everyone here you have "extensive knowledge" and "common sense" from watching just youtube vids. Clowns abound in this world! I made no mention of my team, it's status, it's capacities,etc., nor have I made any mention of any other team to make the comparison (in case you had not noticed, read through the whole thread).

  • @docwuwu If your definition of "Curtain of Lead" holds true, why implement Light Machine Guns, or rather why implement Machine Guns at all? Why do militaries around the world implement fully automatic weapons if full auto is nothing but drama? Semi is for precision work, Full Auto is for "KEEP THEIR &%$(#@! HEADS DOWN!!" and "MOW THEM DOWN!" when the opportunity presents. That's the bottom line of fire and maneuver and has been since the introduction of mobile fully automatic weapons.

  • @ISAFSoldier : 1) 2.5 seconds. That's the amount of time an M4 would run dry on full auto fire. In that time, the line would be silent. Cursing while reloading ain't going to do any harm to the any now, would it? 2) Have your Mom rent you out an M4. Line urself up some man-size targets at 50 meters. Empty a mag at them, see how many of the thirty you can get into any of them. Next, do hammer drills on semi. See how many you can put down......

  • @docwuwu 1) that's solely dependent on everyone dumping their mags at the same time, and that is NOT how a peel works. In a peel, the one peeling would dump the mag, break off, reload and continue firing in bursts or semi as they re-enter the firing line, Only the shooter about to peel would dump the mag. 2) Sorry, I only have access to burst, My Staff Sergeant smoked me the last time I asked for one. The point of the mag dump isn't to hit the enemy, it's to keep there head down.

  • @ISAFSoldier : 1) How can a man about to peel reliably do a dump? If it comes his turn to peel, and the opportunity presents itself, does he tac reload to make sure he gets to dump a lot before he peels? What if he has just 4 or 5 rounds in his mag when it comes his turn to peel, what should he do? Should he execute a tac reload first before he dumps and peels to ensure he follows YOUR script? What happens to the guy next to him? Should he shoot less often..........

  • @docwuwu 1) Dump whatever rounds are left whatever mag he's on first, THEN PEEL, as he gets to the end of the firing line speed reload so he get back to adding his rifle to the mix. So on and so forth as the unit is retreating AWAY from the enemy. You miss my point each man is to fire accurately until it is his turn to peel then he would proceed to dump whatever mag he's on. This is to keep suppression up, since you are a smaller unit.....

  • @docwuwu ....facing a much larger unit with no other option to but to withdraw from the area. 2) I got smoked because the M4A1 is a SOCOM issue piece of equipment, not a something issued to Guard or Regular units, and after he smoked me he agreed with me wanting the M4A1 as well.

  • @docwuwu ....facing a much larger unit with no other option to but to withdraw from the area. 2) I got smoked because the M4A1 is a SOCOM issue piece of equipment, not a something issued to Guard or Regular units, and after he smoked me he agreed with me wanting the M4A1 as well. 3) You assumed I demanded full auto, I said full auto has it's usefulness but I never said it was a final say. As I said before Semi is for precision kill shots, Auto is for suppression.

  • @ISAFSoldier to ensure that his mag is somehow full when it comes his turn to peel? And the guy after him too....he'd need to give that a thought as well. And then it goes down the line to the last man. Also, nothing is worse than an empty mag especially when one is running for cover to the next niche which is not, mind you assured. That next niche might be 25 meters away. He'd just be dodging bullets till an opportunity to reload comes along. 2) There's a reason...........

  • @docwuwu ....facing a much larger unit with no other option to but to withdraw from the area. 2) I got smoked because the M4A1 is a SOCOM issue piece of equipment, not a something issued to Guard or Regular units, and after he smoked me he agreed with me wanting the M4A1 as well. 3) You assumed I demanded full auto, I said full auto has it's usefulness but I never said it was a final say. As I said before Semi is for precision kill shots, Auto is for suppression.

  • @ISAFSoldier......... your SSgt smoked you the last time you asked to fire full auto. One day you just might find out why. The point of any fire is to hit the enemy bad. Like I said, you won't hit anything on full auto. And there is nothing shittier than an empty weapon at any given time. 3) I pressumed you were an airsofter bec. only the airsoft guys "demand" full auto. Having 249s in the line up would help............

  • @ISAFSoldier ,,,,,,3) an airsoft M4 is very different. Those babies can hold 300 rounds. Now those can be good for your versions of the peel. 4) I liken the full auto switch on weapons to the "Break Glass In Case Of Fire" tags on fire safety equipment. It is there for a reason but remember, breaking the glass, won't put out the fire. 5) I'd like the enemy line firing on full auto when they are peeling. We'd have a clear cut edge in 2-3 seconds.......

  • @docwuwu 3) Why do you assume this is coming from airsoft? Peeling is a standard Infantry tactic, by the way, my total load out only covers 210 rounds of 556 and the mag dump is STILL done, but then again, We have 249s in the mix firing sustained bursts whenever it's the gunner's turn to peel. 4) Agreed, but since peeling is a defensive retreat drill, this fire is too big anyways. 5) Did I not explain WHEN the dump is done? Also it's the enemy, I wouldn't care.

  • @ISAFSoldier ...a 249 on full is ten times better than a rifle on full auto. That's the purpose of a SAW gunner. 4) again, breaking the glass would not put out the fire. 5) Duh. 6) this has nothing to do with your paygrade. you talk like you shoot on full auto all the time with your army and like you've done it hundreds of times and like your technique is widely accepted and like it is written in stone that this is the way it has to be done............

  • @docwuwu 3) no argument there as I agree. 4) You're not putting out a fire when you're using a peel, you're getting away from it. 5) ditto 6) I never said I shot full auto all the time, I'm stuck with burst and with really fast trigger pulls on Semi, all I said was for the shooter to dump his mag quickly to keep the enemy suppressed, the more lead you have flying towards him, the less likely he put his head up to return fire. Full Auto is quite useful for that, and pretty much ONLY that.....

  • @ISAFSoldier .....6) Post video of your team doing the peel in full auto. That would be the ultimate slap on my face won't it? I'd be dying to do that if I were you.

  • @docwuwu 6) On the civilian side of things, I don't have the money to afford a class 3 automatic in the US, my paygrade isn't high enough, so I can't there, and only the higher ups of my unit can decided when we're going have live fire drills, but I'll remember to bring a camera then just for that.

  • @ISAFSoldier ...And so I can't see why you can't manage to get even a short video of your full auto drill in. Till then, like I told your buddy up there.....anything you post is rubbish.

  • @docwuwu Like I had the forsight to have a video just so I can reply to when I see another vid of someone else doing it wrong. I'll put one up when the next opportunity I get to record a proper peel off.

  • @ISAFSoldier Til then, enjoy your thoughts but keep them to yourself. Your full auto doctrine is now slowing down to semi auto fire with all your later posts. Initially you were talking as if full auto is the way to go. Looking forward to your vid.

  • @pinay56 : The bottom line is that, we'd all like to see a video of you and your team executing your prophecy. I'd be dying to post it if I were in your place......I'd label it "THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE."

  • For the guys in this video; the peel is not one where you take your time. This is a sharply executed order where you can peel to the left, right, or backwards at a fast pace. Each one is firing at full automatic or emptying a magazine at full auto..... By the time this team gets to where they want to go, you may as well surrender.....

  • @pinay56 : ho hum. your bravado stems from anonymity. Too much COD/MW2 for you maybe. I almost believed you until you got to the "full auto/empty mag" part. I'd oblige you a comment when you can post a video of you and your girls, doing better than this one.

  • ..when would you ever need to break contact sideways?

  • @68calsurgeon : when moving the team perhaps from an area of poor cover to an area of better cover. It's just one of many many ways and directions to break contact. It's a 3 dimensional world.

  • You guys need to join a G1 Class!

  • @Josenuy : done that, been there and vice versa bro.

  • Iba talaga ang pinoy. nag jam na naka ngiti pa din ayos hehehe

  • @ian3265 ...oo nga....yon daw ang turo.....pag nagjam, ngiti. ; )

  • @docwuwu hehehe ok yun doc para walang mainit ang ulo, everybody happy hehehe Sarap nyan ginagawa nyo. More Vids Doc..

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