the eliites fuked him over good and proper, i mean 10 years in prison jus for not paying his tax?? bullshit man, he was spoke the truth to the public and he bravely spoke out the secret plans of the satanic plans of the government.
nice music from sonic adventure, red mountain zone if i remember correctly. kent hovind, ray comfort, kirk cameron, and the like would have been better as slime trapped in latex in a dumpster than fucking up and actually growing to full sized idiots.
All hail King Jesus!! God's Word if true. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. No man goeth unto the Father but by Him!!!.. Pray for Kent Hovind to get out of prison soon!! God bless... The Stick...
and you sir are DELUSIONAL. If you want to believe in Hovinds fairytales and talk to your imaginary sky buddy, fine, but dont make retarded statements, especially seeing as how Hovind has been debunked thoroughly, every single one of his ignorant claims!
copyrights are automatic,as long as you can prove you created any given piece of intellectual property.you dont actually have to send anything to the copyright office,it just helps out alot if ownership is ever disputed or you wanna sue someone
you dont get it dude,he gives permission for people to download his seminars and debates,he doesnt say its not copyrighted,and even if he did,he is free to change his mind because it is his intellectual property,everything created is copyrighted because copyrights are automatic.
Are you serious? Is that a joke? He says it SO many times, he shows it in writing in so many times too! And that "it's automatically copyrighted" nonsense won't hold up in court for a second. Get it in writing, then we'll talk.
well, kent doesnt know shit about shit, he got has phd from a TRAILER HOME of a non-accredited college, taught science class at a private school with ZERO educational requirements for teachers and is serving 10 yrs for 40 some counts of tax evasion. he has repeatedly said his videos can be reproduced by anyone. so even though i dont know shit about copyrights, i doubt any judge would ever side with him on it.
Quote straight from a cse vid "We have produced a million videos in six languages they are not copyrighted, I encourage you to spread them around" Kent Hovind You can see him say it in Thunderf00t's "Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 6")
I am ashamed to admit that Hovind gave a talk at my school once.
He kept talking about how Income Tax was voluntary and you didn't need a Social Security number, driver's license, anything. How technically he wasn't even a US citizen anymore. (what?)
And he's still trying to convince the courts they don't have jurisdiction over him because he's "a man of God".
This will be a never ending war. The only way this will end is in lots of suffering and shame and violence and death and all other forms of punishment from God. Evolution will we the ultimate destruction of man and there will be no excuses for many when they stand before God to be judged someday.
...except that to say that takes, I believe, a tremendous amount of hubris. The Bible is not all literal truth; even inerrantists acknowledge that there is metaphor. What they claim is that THEY (and only they) know for certain what's literal and what's metaphor--despite the fact that they've been wrong in the past, and their wrongness has led to wildly inaccurate ideas about the natural world.
Why should I believe that they've got it right now?
I'm curious. How is it obvious? Now, mind you, I believe in God, but I'd like to hear the logic you employ in concluding that evolution is "obviously" foolish.
Actually, we know that animals die off and mutate--that's just fact.
Do YOU think God keeps creating very-similar species only to have them die off? If you refuse to accept evolution, that's EXACTLY what the fossil record shows.
What you described is Natural selection or "horizontal evolution" as it is loosely called. That is; a creature with favorable traits survives and lives on but it never becomes something else entirely A.K.A "Vertical evolution." Vertical evolution takes the Meaning of the theory preached in opposition of sound reasoning and the word of God.
No substantial proof. That's the logic. Where are the "missing link" fossils? Why doesn't the laws of thermodynamics match evolution's? Evolutionists believe in what they want to to support their aganda--whatever it may be. Usually grant money. Christians use creationism (truth) to win souls...
...the problem with that logic is that it's based on false premises, Downpeta. There are many transitional fossils--but Creationists won't accept them. Every time a new gap is filled, two more are created on either side of it. The laws of thermodynamics DO match up with the predictions of evolution; claims that they don't are based on a misunderstanding of the laws of thermodynamics.
Lastly, if I were a biologist and wanted to make money (and had no scruples,) I sure wouldn't do it by squabbling for limited grant money. I'd do exactly what Kent Hovind has done--claim that evolution is false, peddle books and videos in which I repeated the claim, and make millions of dollars.
Seriously...if, as Creationists claim, the majority of people believe in Creation, which is going to sell better: pro-evolution or anti-evolution?
I would assume you have never taken a university level chemophysics course before? The second law of thermodynamics states that disorder increases in a closed system based on entropic values. A closed system is an environment where there is no energy loss or gain, no matter loss or gain, and no outside influence on the processes that occur within.Now, do you think the Earth is a closed system? What do you know about entropy? You should really learn more before you state ridiculous arguments.....
The evidence used to convince people of evolution is the same as that used to convince people of Divine Creation. The only differance is that one side is extremely falty, ever contradicting, infested with deciet, and built on a theory on a theory on a theory. Evolution=changes doctrine dozens of times in the past 20 years. Creationists=same doctrine for 6000 years. I'm sticking with the side that doesnt have to reformat itself every 6 months.
...except that the evidence doesn't MATCH the claims of Divine Creation. Creationists point to the fossil record and claim that it proves a global flood, but haven't been able to offer any kind of coherent explanation of why the fossils are sorted as they are. Creationists claim that all life propagated outward from Mount Ararat, but there's no physical evidence of that at all.
Additionally, it's just not true that Creationists have held to the same doctrine for 6000 years. The doctrine has changed REPEATEDLY, every time their understanding of the Bible was contradicted beyond denial by the physical evidence. Creationists firmly believed in a solid firmament on which the lights of the heavens were fixed. In fact, Martin Luther made the SAME arguments about "Godless science" towards astronomers that you're leveling against evolution.
Well all you atheist try to use the Videos to make a remark against Kent Hovind, So the claim infringement against you and anybody else cause they are meant to spread the word of God not to
Kent Hovind provides insight why the earth isn't more that 9,000-13,000 yrs old. If you really thought about what he says maybe it would make more scientific sense than believing what you read in your text book. Kent Hovind didn't make up his own numbers. He's not trying to hurt people or offend them. They just get very offended when he speaks what God has written. Now why would they be offended? Because they reject God and would rather live without him. Huge guilt trips amongst many.
Actually, he is. He's a full of shit and he bloody knows it. they post there funny little videos to spread creation science, but they clearly didn't expect REAL science to intervine. Check out ANY kent Hovid rebuked type of videao and you'll be amazed. And as we all know he DOES know a little (it's been rubbed in his face thousands of times) he still goes on with his falsifications. He's a fraud and is after your money.
I believe in God and nothing and nobody could make me change my mind, sorry for the ones that can't understand that the earth wasn't a coincidence and that we really have a purpose on this planet that has nothing to with wars, politics and killing one each other.
When Allah came down to earth and told you, in person he's the one, you wouldn't change your mind? In all his glory, and you would feel his love, and bla bla bla ...
Let's face it: Every intelligent person has a certain set of facts that would change his mind.
Evolution? Its a fact, if you want to say it's gods tool or he made appear that way, fine.
Age of the earth? Evil in the world? Other religions?
I don't think you know what you are talking about. Kent Hovind speaks the Gospel of God. If you ever tried reading the Bible and believed in any faith, do will understand that science is obsolete. You will figure that out in time. Science doesn't have true explanation for physical life, but Bible as all the answers for physical and spiritual life. Maybe if you should try it to see if it works before you convince yourself it doesn't. It works for the ones who truly are saved like me.
let's try this: WHY is it the bible that has the answers and NOT the Qur'an or any other religion that is right? What do you think of all the inconsistancies, scientific ignorance, imorral tendencies, ...
Don't be all mad about it man. I will just let you know why the Bible is better than the Qur'an. Jesus is a real person. He really exists. Not only that. Do you know that Christianity is the ONLY religion in this world that requires faith. Christianity is not a religion, it's a life style. You don't earn your way into heaven. Every other religion requires effort and work to get there. It's not a privilege. True Biblical Christians know that. Not break offs such a catholic, etc. That's more work.
Abraham & Mohammed Really existed. Christianity is the ONLY religion in this world that requires faith? I seriously doubt that. YES, you DO earn your way into heaven. Be good, follow the teachings of Christ and praise the lord: Up to heaven you go. You have to live your life by a set of rules before you can go to heaven. When you sin, you won't.
No you DON'T earn your way into heaven. Just know that Jesus died for your sins and you will get there. The rules you live by are rules that would make this place a much better place. Because most people DON'T have God in there lives they will stay living guilt and resent. Why live life in turmoil? Christianity is most spread in this world around 2.1 billion. It does work and I will go to heaven. Life on earth is like a grain of sand, so why sacrafice a whole beach full of sand? They dont know
So you're saying a massmurdering, childraping Christian goes to heaven because he knows Jezus died for his sins? The fact that It's the most spread has abolutly no bearing on this discussion at all. When most people tought the world was flat it wasn't exactly true, was it? And again: HOW do you know it will work, it will work in the way you discribed and you know heaven exists at all?
It doesn't matter what you do. If you absolutely did not know what you were doing was wrong and later accepted Jesus into your life, repent/forgive all of your sins, yes you can become saved. God never said the world was flat. Jesus said,"Come as you are, and when you leave sin no more". What he is saying that you can change your life around. Why not go to heaven. Man I hope you are right for your own sake. I'm already saved, but I can mess up which I won't let happen. God bless you child.
Of course this is the debate that was run at the Diet of Worms. Luther for Faith and the Catholic representatives for 'actions'. I will believe in 'actions' until the day I die.
I will add to that. I agree with DanceTrance, and furthermore, the Bible is the ONLY BOOK ON THE PLANET that claims that it can PROVE it is the one and only true word of God. It states that only God knows the future, and Bible is the ONLY book on the planet with not one, not ten, not twenty, but over 2000 highly specific, detailed predictions, over 1000 of which have already come to pass. Read the book "The Signature of God" by Grant Jeffrey for an unbiased list of all prophesies so far.
Euh, something BAD will happen to the world in , euh, 1 month. Detailed predictions are so, so very subjective. Notradamus anyone? And if you're trying to point at the predictions from the OT that happen in the NT, please don't.
I believe in God. I do not, however, believe in Kent Hovind. A snake-oil salesman is a snake-oil salesman no matter how often he brandishes the Bible.
I don't believe in the break off of true Biblical Christianity like the Catholic religion. They made up their own rules. Sick ones too. God knows it. Jesus didn't want us to feel the need of church. You are enslaved to the church if you do. A true Biblical Christian knows better than that. I am a follower of Gods word not the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury. They are total nonsense.
I was living a sinful life and now I accepted Jesus. I've been so blessed. Going to heaven is not a privilege. You earn your way into it. The Holy Spirit is all around us and most people will never even acknowledge that. What is wrong with having God in your life and knowing he is there for you. He gives you everything. Christianity is not a religion, it is a lifestyle. The Bible was created by over 200 prophets and witnesses. Why would they all lie? They experienced something that you didn't.
You don't really know much about what God says. Jesus died for our sins and all he is asking is for you to put him into your heart and walk in his image. For you to do that must be a very unwanted idea because you wouldn't feel in control anymore. Do you realize that nobody is in control, but God. There will be that moment you will realize you aren't in control. The bible states the earth is around 9000 yrs old and I do believe its around there. It's in the bible. God created all.
How do you know all those things are true about him? Did you read them? Did you actually listen to him say any of those things in his speech's? Are you sure your not following what others made up and decided to put into a book for you to read? Do you feel 100% accurate to come about and know this information is true because he came out a confessed to all of it? I'm not doubting it may be true, but until you can prove those things happened I will still know Kent for his success. He not that bad.
It doesn't matter what you read!! It's what he says that is witnessed by your own ears. Don't believe everything you read. Tax is government taking no matter what. It's a government belief which you are to think is considered right. You have no choice. Stealing is taking with out consent. If that was the case, he would be wrong. Government spends our money in inconsiderate ways which we have no control over. He was forced to pay like everyone else.
I want to see where he even mentions ice meteors or Satan riding around UFO's. If you read it I won't believe it. If you actually saw him talk about it I definitely will. I do recall him claiming he hasn't paid taxes because he is so against the system. That doesn't mean he doesn't speak God's word. If he has sinned in various ways then he must repent like anybody else. Jesus will be the one to judge you. If it's in the bible I believe it. It is still today 100% accurate.
You must be liberal. How is he even the slightest criminal? He must have compromised your dignity like everyone else who rejects God completely. Evolution is tax supported. Why do you think the theory exist so well in text books. You probably believe global warming is killing all of us too. Without God we can keep teaching kids about freedom things. Gay, lesbian, bi, abortions, evolution, drugs, and other ways to self destruct. Where are the values in society? In the government? Not in God!
Enough defending evolution, look at all the violence it caused and is causing in the world, look at the chaotic movies and video games it produces, it only makes things worse, throw this theory out of your window while you are still alive and let Jesus into your heart, you can die tomorrow and be in hell forever.
CSC allows their videos to be copyrighted for the purpose of evangelism if you are copying them and using them for others reasons you should be shut down.
your fear of hovind comes from your hatred of the Truth. come out of the box, fellas, hovind is not God. He is just a servant of God.
Why is hovind bold? Because he serves under the command of the Almighty! can anyone fight against that? in you dreams only ..and on pathetic utube videos like this.
It isn't a matter of anyone being lazy, but of an evolutionist/neodarwinist using bait & switch. Like the leap of faith between macroevolution and microevolution. Evolution has even been defined as "change". You need to realize that a constant changing and inconsistent definion of evolutionism can be viewed as a bait & switch tactic.
You know what I think? I think you have a ZERO percent grasp on what true evolution is. This is obvious in your ignorant attempt at characterizing it. It would do you some good if you were to at least *try* to look at some real scientific definitions of the term first before you start making arguments against it.
Perhaps you may need to be more specific about what you mean by "evolution". I know that trying to get a consistent answer or definition by evolutionists about evolution is like trying to nail jello to a tree but give us some sort definition.
Actually a lot of people, at one time believe in Hitler. They agreed with his message and stood for what he believed. So does that make it right, and that means everybody else should believe it? While I disagree that "most Christians believe in evolution", we read in scripture that people will be led astray.
You can gauge Kent Hovinds success by the attacks he is getting. If you watch the Kent Hovind debates, he basically obliterates all of the evolutionists/neodarwinists arguments. You almost feel sorry for them. ALMOST, that is. So by all means, watch the CSE videos. ALL of 'em! You'll see each and every one of the arguments that the fairytale evolutionists bring up. Not sure why they would be removed and I'm guessing it has nothing to do with CSE.
I've watched nearly all of the Hovind debates, and I can say that his performance on stage is likened very closely to that of a circus. He doesn't know how to debate, he certainly doesn't know how to reason well, and he doesn't know squat about science, let alone evolution. So if the portrayal of the scientists look bad in the videos, it's only because he was making absolutely no sense. Name any of his arguments that does, and I will tear it apart right before your eyes. I'd love the challenge.
Are you saved? I could answer that one for you. Absolutely not yet, but you may one day and people like me will pray for people like you. I won't give up myself and I won't let God down. He is the almighty father who created all and will destroy all before our eyes. The Lord is our father. You may reject that or accept that, but there is only one. God helps me speak these words. Just like God helps Kent speak his. Kent speaks what he accepted from God and not what he has decided to reject.
If you talk to a god and he speaks to you, why dont he do that to everyone? Ask him that, and when you doing that can you ask him where my credit card is i cant find it.
Well that's not what MY god said. My god said that I should go to a gay orgy every other night and disburse homoerotic literature door to door. And my god is BETTER than your god because mine honestly doesn't give a flying hoot what we do.
Seriously though...
I don't believe in all of that dribble, so please, waste your energy on someone else's page, because I only have time to respond to rational discussions.
Yeah that's because God wants all that right? You know what, you will worry about death when the time is near for you and I won't. You wouldn't have that problem unless you were saved. You are like my brother. Live life in turmoil and reject God always. Physical world matter is all you can relate too. We'll go ghost hunting for a day and then talk about the success story after. Then it will be all skeptical for a weeks and rejected because it's not rational when YOU can't understand it. You lose
Look! I have been standing at the door and I am constantly knocking. If anyone hears me calling him and opens the door, I will come in and fellowship with him and he with me.
Jesus knocks at your heart each day and calls you with a quiet voice to open up the door to him, only with Him will you find real peace and joy in your life.
I don't attack Hovind, but his arguments. For example, he tends to begin by setting up this massive straw man. Typically, he associates biological evolution with other irrelevant fields, such as Big Bang and abiogenesis. He also defines "micro/macroevolution," which are completely unscientific terms ("kind?" Please...). He then "obliterates" the ideas that he pulled out of his own ass.
My suggestion to anyone fooled for a second by this routine is to pick up a logic textbook...
I have listened to Kent Hovind. He is right!! Not because he says so, because God says so. He has truth in his statements and being a Christian means to rely on God's words. It's not impossible even for people to live up to 500 years on earth. Giant humans aren't hoaxes. People have to see to believe. WHY? Whats wrong with people. That's why God doesn't exist, RIGHT? God makes anything happen. If theres not giant humans now he can make them when he feels like it. Sad, but true. God bless all.
Do you realize that if you aren't saved by Jesus Christ you will not make it to heaven. Keep laughing. Why would I need to be negative about anything when all I'm trying to be is positive. I was doubtful before, but not anymore. Faith is big now and 2.1 billion Christians today can make it to heaven if they really have Jesus in their hearts. What's negative about that? God isn't negative. You may one day understand, but right now you will have to be prayed for. Your soul can be saved. Believe
He's not dead. You have no idea about anything when it comes to the spiritual world. He's already living eternal life and you can too. I will. I'm not even religious and I'm telling you this. Being a Christian is a life style. Do you care about what happens to you while you are living or after you are dead? Humans are the only species on this planet that have souls and that is most important to God. The saved ones are called his children. I accepted God 2 1/2 yrs ago. I have been so blessed.
I have utterly no idea what you are talking about. There's no record of any significant number of significantly large-sized human beings that lived differently from our own. Certainly you can't use the Bible to present this evidence, just as you can't present the bible to prove that god exists, that would be circular reasoning. It's not impossible for humans to live 500 years on earth. You mean it's possible? If so, prove it! I want some evidence that I can read about!
If it's in the bible I believe it. Jesus is mine, yours and everybody's way into heaven. If it says it in the bible I believe it to be true since it is still today 100% accurate. I used to think like the rest of society and seek for answers. You know why US is in Iraq? I tried to figure it out and found it after so many years. The answer was right there in my face. It says it in the bible. All the answers are in it. I saw Jesus heal a women today in a wheel chair and now she can walk. Faith man.
And just because you say it, doesn't make it true, either. There have been giant skeletons found, REAL skeletons. A reputable, scientific paper is not required to prove that something exists. Most of the Academic journals are prejudice, and don't except any real evidence, they just rely on theory. This is a dumb argument that neither side can win, until the truth is revealed in the end. Goodbye, EagleM16.
uhhh, okay. Let me remind you who started commenting here in the first place. It's rather childish to just run off like that, especially when you claim to have evidence of something that apparently nobody has seen before. That being said, all of the gigantic skeletons that I have tried to search for have ALL been hoaxes... undeniably. See, the cool thing about science is that you can analyze all of the facts and make your own conclusions. Something I'm sure you're not very used to. goodby :P
I just did some research, and I found this National Geographic article, about the Giant Skeleton "Hoax". I said, " This should be good" I read it. It was retarded! They absolutely had no evidence to support there theory. All they had to say was,"We are not for spreading lies, like these people." They just called us liars. That was there evidence. Other giant skeletons have been found, and authenticated.
Please! Do enlighten us with your superior divinely-inspired research! Please give at least ONE reputable scientific paper demonstrating the existence of a society of giants.
Bluddy hell it amazes me at how insane some of these creationists are. They will Google giant fossils and find some shoddy website claiming how they are true and accept that as 100 percent fact. If real giants were found it would be all over the news. Because unlike creationists, scientists will look ,accept and analyze all facts. They are not tied into one book that is the be all and end all of life.
Yes, they have. They have found giant skeletons over 12 feet tall. It says in the bible,"There were giants in the Earth in those days." And yes, evolutionist do this," Oh, no! They have found giant skeletons...but I think we will just kinda ignore this evidence." The Smithsonian has been responsible for hiding many proofs of Creation. If you actually researched, then you would know about the giant skeletons.
"It says in the Bible" -- this is not evidence. Like I said below, there is no proof whatsoever that giant humans EVER walked the earth. This is inconsistent with all of the anthropological research that has EVER come from excavation.
look, if you want an argument, i find it hard to believe evolution when they say, making a very long story short, "something we're not entirely sure came from some where, and then blew up, and now here we are. i bet your not convinced and now thinking of a come back, but before you start typing away,like i said, all im asking at the moment is that you guys leave your selfs open to the idea that maybe common sense is not what we think it is. and if that gets me an argument..
A comeback why would I use a comeback when I have facts? Why would any intelligent person not use common sense? After all it is common sense and has helped keep our species alive.
Saying it all happened like that is a ridiculous under exaggeration. You cannot describe it as that and expect anyone to believe it.
Evidence shows that all stars we see is moving out from a center area. This would show that an explosion propelled us this way. As for the rest we can see can use knowledge we already had to put everything together.
Gravity pulled matter together. Slowly this would create bigger and bigger bodies. planets would start to form together. From there The gravity from multiple planets and a star would pull them into a solar system. Then from there galaxies.
i'm not here to talk about facts, i'm only 18 and i can't argue with you guys who are probably 10 times more educated then me, but all I'm asking is that you guys leave your self's open to the idea that maybe theres some thing more to the things that we take as common sense.
...I am 18 as well and most consider me very educated. You do not have to have formal education to understand facts. Creationism is just silly and has been proven to be wrong as with the bible on many accounts.
I can't believe you would use your age as a vice to not argue facts. I am 18 and have been holding my own in arguments against adults since I was 13.
Face it if you are not here to talk facts you should probably not be here.
ok ok my bad, i won't use the i am 18 deal. honestly, what ever argument i bring up, you people will probably rush at me to shoot it down. witch will force me to comment again with my come back. witch has happened over and over to me at other places on this site. i've come to see that its very difficult to get across anything in this argument topic. and believing in God, thats all im trying to do. fatikis, has your many arguments convinced a believer of God to Believe other whys?
I am not sure it possibly has helped considering people I once argued with have cast away their religion.
It is difficult to get things a crossed when you are not telling the truth. You may believe it is the truth but it is not. Atheism is growing because more people are stopping and thinking ...and the worlds IQ is increasing which could also play a key factor.
evolution as far as i know does not help any ones life too much, where as if you put god in the picture, you suddenly have an reason in life, a conscious, a sense of right and wrong, and that some one up there loves you even when you hate your self. something all those people that are committing suicide don't have.
You are asking me to give up legitimate evidence for Creation. These were clear, 100% human foot prints, next to obvious dinosaur tracks. The prints were so clear, that you can even see part of the toe prints. Don't tell me that over millions of years, dinosaur footprints just happened to erode into perfect, identical human footprints, that are exactly the same feet as we humans have today? SURE! Giant, 12 foot tall skeletons have been found, but evolutionists just ignore that REAL evidence.
Show me. It shouldn't be hard to find evidence for a discovery that large.
Evolutionist do not ignore real evidence we ignore the ravings of unintelligent trolls. We don't listen to you because no evidence of these have been shown.
However even if these were real it in no way would point towards creation.
Actually, they HAVE found bones of giants, and possibly, unicorns. It has been explained completely? It was 100% Human tracks, right next to dinosaur tracks, in the same layer, level with each other. Some Atheists would say," Oh! Umm... this only proves that there was a type of dinosaur that had human feet." Wow, can't argue with logic like that, can you?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There, to my knowledge, has never been documented evidence of unicorns, or super sized humans, particularly those walking in the footsteps of the dinosaurs in the same time period... Never, not one.
If the Paluxy River is your only argument, I would just give it up. Scientists have unequivocally determined that the footprints were transformed through millions of years of erosion, and other completely natural phenomena. I can supply proof.
Actually they haven't. Why don't you actually tell the truth. Oh, because it does not support you. No, proof has been found of giants, or unicorns. Even if they were real that does not point towards creation. It only points to another off species of humans or perhaps humans that got pretty damn tall and died from heart failure.
amen brother. you tell these evolutionists. it's only a matter of time until they find fossils of unicorns and giants then the word of almighty god will be irrefutable to the scientific world.
Unfortunately, I don't have as much time to hang out on the internet as I used to.
That being said. Can you point to any specific occurences of intermingled footprints? Most of the ones that I know of, The Paluxy River (Glenrose) tracks for instance, have been explained completely. You may have other evidence that I'd be interested in seeing.
There was an evolutionist there. He said that he had not seen anything to disprove evolution. Of course he didn't, because he refused to even turn around and look at the prints! Evolutionists can be ignorant too, you know.
Yeah, but it still dose not prove that the earth is that old. In Glen Rose, Texas, they found dinosaur, and human footprints in the same layer of rock. They were right next to each other. That is proof of creation, because god says that all animals, and humans lived together. That disproves the theory that dinosaur evolved way before humans, disproving some of evolution.
What evidence is there for evolution? Maybe there is small changes within species, but that doesn't prove the age of the earth, or the geologic collum, or anything else. No one has ever witnessed any type of evolution, except for micro-evolution, and that should not even be considered evolution. Its just a variation. Sorry for calling you an idiot, you have perfect right to express your opinions.
The small changes are only evidence for changes that occur on a grander scale, in larger time periods, say millions and billions of years. This just has to be the case, because the current methods for dating the earth are some of the most reliable that we have. If the earth is billions of years old, a claim which would be very hard to dispute, then it is likely that evolution has been at work for a great deal of time, as it is shown in today's research
And you don't know that evolution is the truth! And you probably want to remove creation videos, right? Well, if i am right, then you are such a hypocrite! Creationists started practically every branch of science there is, plus, they were the first to harness electricity, build planes, and they started the United States of America! If you take us away, then your in trouble!
No, I would like Creationists to post more of their videos! So they can reveal to the world just how ignorant they are, and how caught up they are in ancient traditions that should have been cast out of society long ago. As for all of those achievments you mentioned: That has very VERY little to do with the subject. I'm not going to deny that believers have been responsible for a large number of scientific discoveries, but it has little to do with what we are talking about.
now there is where you go wrong. the theory of evolution, if it ciuld even speak for itself, woulodnt claim to be the absolute truth, nor does any scientist. It is just the best theory to explain all the FACTS we see in the world around us. However, given the amount of evidence for it, its safe to say it is here to stay, like theory of gravity, theory of atoms, theory of electricity, theory of plate tectonics, quantum theory...etc
Oh, poor baby! What have evolutionists got to complain about? They have unlimited funding to teach their RELIGION to people, and they can teach it in public schools to helpless little first-graders, who don't know any better. We creationists, are owning y'all!
Beg your pardon, but I wasn't complaining about anything. :P I was pointing out how you can't seem to comprehend, much less make, any sort of valid argument either for or against my position.
Evolution is not a religion, it is a scientific theory that has been thoroughly established in the scientific community. There are decades of research papers to prove this.
Oh, please continue to be articulate in describing just why I'm an idiot for voicing my opinions on a (pretty outdated) issue such as this! honestly, if you can't post anything substantial, please refrain from posting here in the future. Because we could argue at length the intellectual incapacity of Hovind's arguments, or the theory of evolution. Ad hominem attacks are not the only things out there. Next time, something substantial please. Thanks.
his videos are legal to copy as long as you don't make money off of them...you can make as many copy as you want as long as they are given away for free!
YouTube is still free as far as I know, and CSE just decided to flag every single video that contained any criticism of Kent Hovind, even stuff they had no copyright over, which I never really got.
well if people are using his videos for the wrong reason then yeah I could see why they would.he said that there not copyrighted so that you can give them to some who is lost and needs Jesus in their life!but Kent Hovind knows people hates him but he still loves them and wants them to be saved to!and people hate him because he has some really good points that evolution is a religion!people just don;t want to admit the facts!
Evolution isn't a religion. Hovind is a fallacious deceiver. =/
If he formed his arguments well, I would be impressed with him. I would want to listen to him. But what he's done is wrong. Now, I'm having to show people how many of Hovind's alleged 'facts' are wrong. And this is hard to do in the deep South...
Since it is a belief, it is a religion. Look at the display here - evolution is defended with religious fervor. People are actually foaming at the mouth if someone dares to question such a theory. It is a belief, and ONLY a belief, that humans are related to field mice, or life evolved from pond scum. Since it is a belief, it is a religion. Not science.
Actually, no. It's a scientific theory, not a religious belief. If it were religious, the idea would only be explained. This is what religion is -- knowledge gained simply from exposure to the beliefs of others. But for it to be scientific we must have a rather large body of convincing evidence in support of the idea before it can become a theory. Evolutionary theory is backed by such evidence.
How people act in defense of the idea is irrelevant to its scientific standing. Look at the evidence.
they are foaming at the mouth because they constantly have to correct all the bullshit coming out of you creationists mouths, spreading the lies and undermining the very science that gave you idiots every luxury and technique you enjoy in this world. so shut up and deal with the fact you GOT IT WRONG!
If indeed the majority of Chirstians believe in evolution, that's only a recent occurrence. Fifty years ago it would have been rather difficult to find a Christian who accepted evolution.
Any recent change in this stance is laughably irrelevant. There was a time when all Christians believed that the world was flat, but you'd have a hard time finding anyone so stupid to believe such nonsense now.
You sound like you're trying to make the case that Christians are mostly rational and reasonable...
"Fifty years ago it would have been rather difficult to find a Christian who accepted evolution."
A position not supported by facts. Dobzhansky was a devout Christian and is a father or modern Biology; he said himself "Nothing in Biology makes any sense except in the light of Evolution." Gregor Mendel, father of Genetics and Catholic priest. Oswald Avery discovered DNA was the structure of genes; devout Baptist. All of these men's work was crucial to understanding Evolution. Need I go on?
Your point that many genetic and evolutionary scientists are Christian does nothing to address the notion that the vast majority of Christians throughout history have denounced evolution.
And your broad statement of "throughout history" does much to dilute my point that 50 YEARS AGO, you COULD find many Christians who supported it, including i2 of the 3 I mentioned (the third, Mendel, was writing his own theories of evolution while Darwin was writing his). "... you're trying to make the case that Christians are mostly rational and reasonable." If I believed in God, I would ask forgiveness for such bigotry.
If your anger lies with Creationists, take it up with them; ignorantly lumping them in the same category as the majority of modern-day Christians makes us Atheists look pretty fucking stupid.
"If I believed in God, I would ask forgiveness for such bigotry"..."lumping them in the same category as the majority of modern-day Christians makes us Atheists look pretty fucking stupid."
I'd say you're over-reacting.
I'm just saying that most Christians believe evolution conflicts with Christianity, and that most Christians choose to reject it.
And in your twisted small mind, this somehow equates to bigotry.
"I'm just saying that most Christians believe evolution conflicts... most Christians choose to reject it."
That was one of your points, not the one I was refuting (for the last time, you COULD find Christians 50 years ago who accepted Evolution), but this one is still incorrect. The NCSE says 89.6 of people in the 12 largest denominations in the US in 1998(!) belonged to churches supporting Evolution education, and when you expand to Christians worldwide, the majority DOES accept Evolution.
the eliites fuked him over good and proper, i mean 10 years in prison jus for not paying his tax?? bullshit man, he was spoke the truth to the public and he bravely spoke out the secret plans of the satanic plans of the government.
hes a patriot in my eyes
FuckDaMedia 1 year ago
nice music from sonic adventure, red mountain zone if i remember correctly. kent hovind, ray comfort, kirk cameron, and the like would have been better as slime trapped in latex in a dumpster than fucking up and actually growing to full sized idiots.
mistereveready 1 year ago
Stop replying to stick, he is obviously not serious and is trolling you.
lazerous47 2 years ago
All hail King Jesus!! God's Word if true. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. No man goeth unto the Father but by Him!!!.. Pray for Kent Hovind to get out of prison soon!! God bless... The Stick...
thechessstick 3 years ago
Yes i agree. Pray for him.
9090120 3 years ago
I'm with you man. Jesus Christ will reign for ever and ever.
seekthetruth757 3 years ago
I wonder who accredits colleges? Hmmm? Let me quess... could it be secular humanists? LOL LOL LOL... wake up people... God bless... The Stick... /"
thechessstick 3 years ago
Kent Hovind is the the man!! He sure did make those evolutionists look stupid in his debates!! God bless... The Stick.... /"
thechessstick 3 years ago
and you sir are DELUSIONAL. If you want to believe in Hovinds fairytales and talk to your imaginary sky buddy, fine, but dont make retarded statements, especially seeing as how Hovind has been debunked thoroughly, every single one of his ignorant claims!
jzuidema 3 years ago
rofl, why the hell arent my comments posted as replies to other messages, but instead are all lined up in front?
jzuidema 3 years ago
LOL @ everyone
cyric1313 3 years ago
i'm fair. I've a kopy of a cd of his saminairs.
Estherrrrtjuuh 3 years ago
I hope santa brings you a dictionary for christmas
Brenho 3 years ago
copyrights are automatic,as long as you can prove you created any given piece of intellectual property.you dont actually have to send anything to the copyright office,it just helps out alot if ownership is ever disputed or you wanna sue someone
NapalmSanctuary 3 years ago
yeeeah, not really. if he says it's not copyrighted, it's not copyrighted.
animalfreak147 3 years ago
you dont get it dude,he gives permission for people to download his seminars and debates,he doesnt say its not copyrighted,and even if he did,he is free to change his mind because it is his intellectual property,everything created is copyrighted because copyrights are automatic.
NapalmSanctuary 3 years ago
"he doesnt say its not copyrighted..."
Are you serious? Is that a joke? He says it SO many times, he shows it in writing in so many times too! And that "it's automatically copyrighted" nonsense won't hold up in court for a second. Get it in writing, then we'll talk.
animalfreak147 3 years ago
you dont know shit about copyrights
NapalmSanctuary 3 years ago
And neither does Kent Hovind.
animalfreak147 3 years ago
well, kent doesnt know shit about shit, he got has phd from a TRAILER HOME of a non-accredited college, taught science class at a private school with ZERO educational requirements for teachers and is serving 10 yrs for 40 some counts of tax evasion. he has repeatedly said his videos can be reproduced by anyone. so even though i dont know shit about copyrights, i doubt any judge would ever side with him on it.
largegrainsofsalt 3 years ago
Quote straight from a cse vid "We have produced a million videos in six languages they are not copyrighted, I encourage you to spread them around" Kent Hovind You can see him say it in Thunderf00t's "Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 6")
wormbaby79 3 years ago
"The Bible is useful for one purpose only, as a convenient package for perfectly thin ass wipe."
-Kent Hovind
ColoradoMikeyS 3 years ago 2
Oh, bullshit, that's either out of context or an outright lie.
hkobb7 3 years ago
They are copyrighted 4 the Evolutioinists not 4 christians.
Jesuschristcansaveyo 3 years ago
that doesn't make sense, nor is it true.
animalfreak147 3 years ago
Kent Hovind
Jesuschristcansaveyo 3 years ago
I am ashamed to admit that Hovind gave a talk at my school once.
He kept talking about how Income Tax was voluntary and you didn't need a Social Security number, driver's license, anything. How technically he wasn't even a US citizen anymore. (what?)
And he's still trying to convince the courts they don't have jurisdiction over him because he's "a man of God".
What an embarrassment.
Karlfalcon 3 years ago
This will be a never ending war. The only way this will end is in lots of suffering and shame and violence and death and all other forms of punishment from God. Evolution will we the ultimate destruction of man and there will be no excuses for many when they stand before God to be judged someday.
InformantX 3 years ago
One could argue that those things are foolish or "antichrist" because they are Not of God. This would be the argument I would Give in defense.
flapjacks77 3 years ago
...except that to say that takes, I believe, a tremendous amount of hubris. The Bible is not all literal truth; even inerrantists acknowledge that there is metaphor. What they claim is that THEY (and only they) know for certain what's literal and what's metaphor--despite the fact that they've been wrong in the past, and their wrongness has led to wildly inaccurate ideas about the natural world.
Why should I believe that they've got it right now?
brpierce 3 years ago
it is obvious that evolution an atheism are for fools...
shaithinshoe 3 years ago
I'm curious. How is it obvious? Now, mind you, I believe in God, but I'd like to hear the logic you employ in concluding that evolution is "obviously" foolish.
brpierce 3 years ago
you say you believe in God.
ok so you think God cant get it right first go?
you think God wants things to die off and mutate etc to get to where we are.
are there any current animals that are in the stages of evolving? and what evidence is there?
shaithinshoe 3 years ago
Actually, we know that animals die off and mutate--that's just fact.
Do YOU think God keeps creating very-similar species only to have them die off? If you refuse to accept evolution, that's EXACTLY what the fossil record shows.
brpierce 3 years ago
What you described is Natural selection or "horizontal evolution" as it is loosely called. That is; a creature with favorable traits survives and lives on but it never becomes something else entirely A.K.A "Vertical evolution." Vertical evolution takes the Meaning of the theory preached in opposition of sound reasoning and the word of God.
flapjacks77 3 years ago
One could argue that those things are foolish or "antichrist" because they are Not of God. This would be the argument I would Give in defense.
flapjacks77 3 years ago
No substantial proof. That's the logic. Where are the "missing link" fossils? Why doesn't the laws of thermodynamics match evolution's? Evolutionists believe in what they want to to support their aganda--whatever it may be. Usually grant money. Christians use creationism (truth) to win souls...
downpeta 3 years ago
...the problem with that logic is that it's based on false premises, Downpeta. There are many transitional fossils--but Creationists won't accept them. Every time a new gap is filled, two more are created on either side of it. The laws of thermodynamics DO match up with the predictions of evolution; claims that they don't are based on a misunderstanding of the laws of thermodynamics.
brpierce 3 years ago
Lastly, if I were a biologist and wanted to make money (and had no scruples,) I sure wouldn't do it by squabbling for limited grant money. I'd do exactly what Kent Hovind has done--claim that evolution is false, peddle books and videos in which I repeated the claim, and make millions of dollars.
Seriously...if, as Creationists claim, the majority of people believe in Creation, which is going to sell better: pro-evolution or anti-evolution?
brpierce 3 years ago
I would assume you have never taken a university level chemophysics course before? The second law of thermodynamics states that disorder increases in a closed system based on entropic values. A closed system is an environment where there is no energy loss or gain, no matter loss or gain, and no outside influence on the processes that occur within.Now, do you think the Earth is a closed system? What do you know about entropy? You should really learn more before you state ridiculous arguments.....
Tdotjace1 3 years ago
"It is obvious" generally means "I have absolutely no evidence to support this."
brpierce 3 years ago
The evidence used to convince people of evolution is the same as that used to convince people of Divine Creation. The only differance is that one side is extremely falty, ever contradicting, infested with deciet, and built on a theory on a theory on a theory. Evolution=changes doctrine dozens of times in the past 20 years. Creationists=same doctrine for 6000 years. I'm sticking with the side that doesnt have to reformat itself every 6 months.
flapjacks77 3 years ago
...except that the evidence doesn't MATCH the claims of Divine Creation. Creationists point to the fossil record and claim that it proves a global flood, but haven't been able to offer any kind of coherent explanation of why the fossils are sorted as they are. Creationists claim that all life propagated outward from Mount Ararat, but there's no physical evidence of that at all.
brpierce 3 years ago
Oh, didn't you hear? They found a footprints on the mountain.
byanka82 3 years ago
Additionally, it's just not true that Creationists have held to the same doctrine for 6000 years. The doctrine has changed REPEATEDLY, every time their understanding of the Bible was contradicted beyond denial by the physical evidence. Creationists firmly believed in a solid firmament on which the lights of the heavens were fixed. In fact, Martin Luther made the SAME arguments about "Godless science" towards astronomers that you're leveling against evolution.
brpierce 3 years ago 2
Well all you atheist try to use the Videos to make a remark against Kent Hovind, So the claim infringement against you and anybody else cause they are meant to spread the word of God not to
be against it. Duh!
geep9 3 years ago
lol dancetrance you told him off lol
geep9 3 years ago
Kent Hovind provides insight why the earth isn't more that 9,000-13,000 yrs old. If you really thought about what he says maybe it would make more scientific sense than believing what you read in your text book. Kent Hovind didn't make up his own numbers. He's not trying to hurt people or offend them. They just get very offended when he speaks what God has written. Now why would they be offended? Because they reject God and would rather live without him. Huge guilt trips amongst many.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
Actually, he is. He's a full of shit and he bloody knows it. they post there funny little videos to spread creation science, but they clearly didn't expect REAL science to intervine. Check out ANY kent Hovid rebuked type of videao and you'll be amazed. And as we all know he DOES know a little (it's been rubbed in his face thousands of times) he still goes on with his falsifications. He's a fraud and is after your money.
wimscheers 3 years ago
I believe in God and nothing and nobody could make me change my mind, sorry for the ones that can't understand that the earth wasn't a coincidence and that we really have a purpose on this planet that has nothing to with wars, politics and killing one each other.
elpismusic 3 years ago
Please, look at your statement.
"Nobody could make me change my mind"
When Allah came down to earth and told you, in person he's the one, you wouldn't change your mind? In all his glory, and you would feel his love, and bla bla bla ...
Let's face it: Every intelligent person has a certain set of facts that would change his mind.
Evolution? Its a fact, if you want to say it's gods tool or he made appear that way, fine.
Age of the earth? Evil in the world? Other religions?
Just think.
wimscheers 3 years ago
I don't think you know what you are talking about. Kent Hovind speaks the Gospel of God. If you ever tried reading the Bible and believed in any faith, do will understand that science is obsolete. You will figure that out in time. Science doesn't have true explanation for physical life, but Bible as all the answers for physical and spiritual life. Maybe if you should try it to see if it works before you convince yourself it doesn't. It works for the ones who truly are saved like me.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
let's try this: WHY is it the bible that has the answers and NOT the Qur'an or any other religion that is right? What do you think of all the inconsistancies, scientific ignorance, imorral tendencies, ...
wimscheers 3 years ago
Don't be all mad about it man. I will just let you know why the Bible is better than the Qur'an. Jesus is a real person. He really exists. Not only that. Do you know that Christianity is the ONLY religion in this world that requires faith. Christianity is not a religion, it's a life style. You don't earn your way into heaven. Every other religion requires effort and work to get there. It's not a privilege. True Biblical Christians know that. Not break offs such a catholic, etc. That's more work.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
Abraham & Mohammed Really existed. Christianity is the ONLY religion in this world that requires faith? I seriously doubt that. YES, you DO earn your way into heaven. Be good, follow the teachings of Christ and praise the lord: Up to heaven you go. You have to live your life by a set of rules before you can go to heaven. When you sin, you won't.
wimscheers 3 years ago
No you DON'T earn your way into heaven. Just know that Jesus died for your sins and you will get there. The rules you live by are rules that would make this place a much better place. Because most people DON'T have God in there lives they will stay living guilt and resent. Why live life in turmoil? Christianity is most spread in this world around 2.1 billion. It does work and I will go to heaven. Life on earth is like a grain of sand, so why sacrafice a whole beach full of sand? They dont know
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
So you're saying a massmurdering, childraping Christian goes to heaven because he knows Jezus died for his sins? The fact that It's the most spread has abolutly no bearing on this discussion at all. When most people tought the world was flat it wasn't exactly true, was it? And again: HOW do you know it will work, it will work in the way you discribed and you know heaven exists at all?
wimscheers 3 years ago
It doesn't matter what you do. If you absolutely did not know what you were doing was wrong and later accepted Jesus into your life, repent/forgive all of your sins, yes you can become saved. God never said the world was flat. Jesus said,"Come as you are, and when you leave sin no more". What he is saying that you can change your life around. Why not go to heaven. Man I hope you are right for your own sake. I'm already saved, but I can mess up which I won't let happen. God bless you child.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
If I believe in Jezus.
And know that I'm sinning. And feel bad about this. But still I rape women & kill children. I WILL be saved?
wimscheers 3 years ago
Of course this is the debate that was run at the Diet of Worms. Luther for Faith and the Catholic representatives for 'actions'. I will believe in 'actions' until the day I die.
gamesbok 3 years ago
Mark Twain said that faith was believing something that you knew 'just ain't so'.
gamesbok 3 years ago
You can believe in Mark Twain, but I will still believe in Lord Jesus.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
I will add to that. I agree with DanceTrance, and furthermore, the Bible is the ONLY BOOK ON THE PLANET that claims that it can PROVE it is the one and only true word of God. It states that only God knows the future, and Bible is the ONLY book on the planet with not one, not ten, not twenty, but over 2000 highly specific, detailed predictions, over 1000 of which have already come to pass. Read the book "The Signature of God" by Grant Jeffrey for an unbiased list of all prophesies so far.
azazgirl777 3 years ago
Euh, something BAD will happen to the world in , euh, 1 month. Detailed predictions are so, so very subjective. Notradamus anyone? And if you're trying to point at the predictions from the OT that happen in the NT, please don't.
wimscheers 3 years ago
I believe in God. I do not, however, believe in Kent Hovind. A snake-oil salesman is a snake-oil salesman no matter how often he brandishes the Bible.
brpierce 3 years ago
You absolutely know it's a proven fact that God is an ancient myth? Sorry, but I don't make those kind of assumptions and I won't let God down.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
I don't believe in the break off of true Biblical Christianity like the Catholic religion. They made up their own rules. Sick ones too. God knows it. Jesus didn't want us to feel the need of church. You are enslaved to the church if you do. A true Biblical Christian knows better than that. I am a follower of Gods word not the Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury. They are total nonsense.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
I was living a sinful life and now I accepted Jesus. I've been so blessed. Going to heaven is not a privilege. You earn your way into it. The Holy Spirit is all around us and most people will never even acknowledge that. What is wrong with having God in your life and knowing he is there for you. He gives you everything. Christianity is not a religion, it is a lifestyle. The Bible was created by over 200 prophets and witnesses. Why would they all lie? They experienced something that you didn't.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
You don't really know much about what God says. Jesus died for our sins and all he is asking is for you to put him into your heart and walk in his image. For you to do that must be a very unwanted idea because you wouldn't feel in control anymore. Do you realize that nobody is in control, but God. There will be that moment you will realize you aren't in control. The bible states the earth is around 9000 yrs old and I do believe its around there. It's in the bible. God created all.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
How do you know all those things are true about him? Did you read them? Did you actually listen to him say any of those things in his speech's? Are you sure your not following what others made up and decided to put into a book for you to read? Do you feel 100% accurate to come about and know this information is true because he came out a confessed to all of it? I'm not doubting it may be true, but until you can prove those things happened I will still know Kent for his success. He not that bad.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
It doesn't matter what you read!! It's what he says that is witnessed by your own ears. Don't believe everything you read. Tax is government taking no matter what. It's a government belief which you are to think is considered right. You have no choice. Stealing is taking with out consent. If that was the case, he would be wrong. Government spends our money in inconsiderate ways which we have no control over. He was forced to pay like everyone else.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
I want to see where he even mentions ice meteors or Satan riding around UFO's. If you read it I won't believe it. If you actually saw him talk about it I definitely will. I do recall him claiming he hasn't paid taxes because he is so against the system. That doesn't mean he doesn't speak God's word. If he has sinned in various ways then he must repent like anybody else. Jesus will be the one to judge you. If it's in the bible I believe it. It is still today 100% accurate.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
You must be liberal. How is he even the slightest criminal? He must have compromised your dignity like everyone else who rejects God completely. Evolution is tax supported. Why do you think the theory exist so well in text books. You probably believe global warming is killing all of us too. Without God we can keep teaching kids about freedom things. Gay, lesbian, bi, abortions, evolution, drugs, and other ways to self destruct. Where are the values in society? In the government? Not in God!
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
Enough defending evolution, look at all the violence it caused and is causing in the world, look at the chaotic movies and video games it produces, it only makes things worse, throw this theory out of your window while you are still alive and let Jesus into your heart, you can die tomorrow and be in hell forever.
jcsvaboda 3 years ago
CSC allows their videos to be copyrighted for the purpose of evangelism if you are copying them and using them for others reasons you should be shut down.
jcsvaboda 3 years ago
your fear of hovind comes from your hatred of the Truth. come out of the box, fellas, hovind is not God. He is just a servant of God.
Why is hovind bold? Because he serves under the command of the Almighty! can anyone fight against that? in you dreams only ..and on pathetic utube videos like this.
sthcrox 3 years ago
lol Kent Hovind = fail
zealot256 3 years ago 2
"I'm not even religious and I'm telling you this.I accepted God 2 1/2 yrs ago. I have been so blessed." Sounds to me that you are religious.
"You have no idea about anything when it comes to the spiritual world." You know this how?
Show me a soul. You claim that there is one now show me a soul.
Dont come up with that its not in this world crap.
Ofc i care about my life, when im dead im dead nothing more.
Do you believe in the easter bunny?
mangetuffa 3 years ago 3
It isn't a matter of anyone being lazy, but of an evolutionist/neodarwinist using bait & switch. Like the leap of faith between macroevolution and microevolution. Evolution has even been defined as "change". You need to realize that a constant changing and inconsistent definion of evolutionism can be viewed as a bait & switch tactic.
CiscoWes 3 years ago
You know what I think? I think you have a ZERO percent grasp on what true evolution is. This is obvious in your ignorant attempt at characterizing it. It would do you some good if you were to at least *try* to look at some real scientific definitions of the term first before you start making arguments against it.
EagleM16 3 years ago
"Evolution is the result of random mutation subject to nonrandom selection."
-Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale
I think that covers it as well as any brief explanation can.
MillsApparatus 3 years ago
I really like this song, can someone please tell me what its called?
Pungopingu 3 years ago
Red Mountain Type 2 from the Sonic Adventure soundtrack. ;)
EagleM16 3 years ago
Thanks
Pungopingu 3 years ago
Perhaps you may need to be more specific about what you mean by "evolution". I know that trying to get a consistent answer or definition by evolutionists about evolution is like trying to nail jello to a tree but give us some sort definition.
CiscoWes 3 years ago
Actually a lot of people, at one time believe in Hitler. They agreed with his message and stood for what he believed. So does that make it right, and that means everybody else should believe it? While I disagree that "most Christians believe in evolution", we read in scripture that people will be led astray.
CiscoWes 3 years ago
You can gauge Kent Hovinds success by the attacks he is getting. If you watch the Kent Hovind debates, he basically obliterates all of the evolutionists/neodarwinists arguments. You almost feel sorry for them. ALMOST, that is. So by all means, watch the CSE videos. ALL of 'em! You'll see each and every one of the arguments that the fairytale evolutionists bring up. Not sure why they would be removed and I'm guessing it has nothing to do with CSE.
CiscoWes 3 years ago
I've watched nearly all of the Hovind debates, and I can say that his performance on stage is likened very closely to that of a circus. He doesn't know how to debate, he certainly doesn't know how to reason well, and he doesn't know squat about science, let alone evolution. So if the portrayal of the scientists look bad in the videos, it's only because he was making absolutely no sense. Name any of his arguments that does, and I will tear it apart right before your eyes. I'd love the challenge.
EagleM16 3 years ago
Are you saved? I could answer that one for you. Absolutely not yet, but you may one day and people like me will pray for people like you. I won't give up myself and I won't let God down. He is the almighty father who created all and will destroy all before our eyes. The Lord is our father. You may reject that or accept that, but there is only one. God helps me speak these words. Just like God helps Kent speak his. Kent speaks what he accepted from God and not what he has decided to reject.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
If you talk to a god and he speaks to you, why dont he do that to everyone? Ask him that, and when you doing that can you ask him where my credit card is i cant find it.
Your god should know this.
mangetuffa 3 years ago
Well that's not what MY god said. My god said that I should go to a gay orgy every other night and disburse homoerotic literature door to door. And my god is BETTER than your god because mine honestly doesn't give a flying hoot what we do.
Seriously though...
I don't believe in all of that dribble, so please, waste your energy on someone else's page, because I only have time to respond to rational discussions.
EagleM16 3 years ago
Yeah that's because God wants all that right? You know what, you will worry about death when the time is near for you and I won't. You wouldn't have that problem unless you were saved. You are like my brother. Live life in turmoil and reject God always. Physical world matter is all you can relate too. We'll go ghost hunting for a day and then talk about the success story after. Then it will be all skeptical for a weeks and rejected because it's not rational when YOU can't understand it. You lose
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
Like all door to door salesmen (religion salesmen included) You just don't know when to take a hint, do you?
EagleM16 3 years ago
Romans 3:20
Look! I have been standing at the door and I am constantly knocking. If anyone hears me calling him and opens the door, I will come in and fellowship with him and he with me.
Jesus knocks at your heart each day and calls you with a quiet voice to open up the door to him, only with Him will you find real peace and joy in your life.
jcsvaboda 3 years ago
Saved from what?
Dont know why i even do a comment to you, I realy dont like people that lie.
mangetuffa 3 years ago
"You can gauge Kent Hovinds success by the attacks he is getting."
Yeah, like a cancer cell is attacked. Some "success." Sheeeish.
DeadDesertphile 3 years ago
I don't attack Hovind, but his arguments. For example, he tends to begin by setting up this massive straw man. Typically, he associates biological evolution with other irrelevant fields, such as Big Bang and abiogenesis. He also defines "micro/macroevolution," which are completely unscientific terms ("kind?" Please...). He then "obliterates" the ideas that he pulled out of his own ass.
My suggestion to anyone fooled for a second by this routine is to pick up a logic textbook...
proudjester 3 years ago
Intelligent people don't use negative words like you do in your text above, cussing is a disruptive and negative language.
jcsvaboda 3 years ago
Does the use of such "negative words" at all negate the point I'm trying to convey, the clear-as-day observation that I'm making?
proudjester 3 years ago
I have listened to Kent Hovind. He is right!! Not because he says so, because God says so. He has truth in his statements and being a Christian means to rely on God's words. It's not impossible even for people to live up to 500 years on earth. Giant humans aren't hoaxes. People have to see to believe. WHY? Whats wrong with people. That's why God doesn't exist, RIGHT? God makes anything happen. If theres not giant humans now he can make them when he feels like it. Sad, but true. God bless all.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
Well my god the allmighty EasterBunny says that you are wrong.
Sad but true.
Egg bless all.
mangetuffa 3 years ago
How could you be so shallow. I bet if something good hit you like the Holly Spirit you would dry up. Wheres the dignity?
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
The Holly Spirit?
I dont know if you are being sarcastic or not.
I realy hope so.
mangetuffa 3 years ago
Do you realize that if you aren't saved by Jesus Christ you will not make it to heaven. Keep laughing. Why would I need to be negative about anything when all I'm trying to be is positive. I was doubtful before, but not anymore. Faith is big now and 2.1 billion Christians today can make it to heaven if they really have Jesus in their hearts. What's negative about that? God isn't negative. You may one day understand, but right now you will have to be prayed for. Your soul can be saved. Believe
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
Prayer doesnt change anything so sure you can do that if you want to.
Saved by a dead man? Dont think so he is dead.
2.1 billion? Do thay realy have the same beliefes that you do?
God isnt negative? Believe in me or you will go to hell. Yea thats not negative at all.
Faith is well faith. If you have faith in the easter bunny would that be a good thing or a bad?
mangetuffa 3 years ago
He's not dead. You have no idea about anything when it comes to the spiritual world. He's already living eternal life and you can too. I will. I'm not even religious and I'm telling you this. Being a Christian is a life style. Do you care about what happens to you while you are living or after you are dead? Humans are the only species on this planet that have souls and that is most important to God. The saved ones are called his children. I accepted God 2 1/2 yrs ago. I have been so blessed.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
I have utterly no idea what you are talking about. There's no record of any significant number of significantly large-sized human beings that lived differently from our own. Certainly you can't use the Bible to present this evidence, just as you can't present the bible to prove that god exists, that would be circular reasoning. It's not impossible for humans to live 500 years on earth. You mean it's possible? If so, prove it! I want some evidence that I can read about!
EagleM16 3 years ago
If it's in the bible I believe it. Jesus is mine, yours and everybody's way into heaven. If it says it in the bible I believe it to be true since it is still today 100% accurate. I used to think like the rest of society and seek for answers. You know why US is in Iraq? I tried to figure it out and found it after so many years. The answer was right there in my face. It says it in the bible. All the answers are in it. I saw Jesus heal a women today in a wheel chair and now she can walk. Faith man.
DanceTrance100 3 years ago
Aw, come on, lay off of the little kid.
nerdygangsta789 3 years ago
And just because you say it, doesn't make it true, either. There have been giant skeletons found, REAL skeletons. A reputable, scientific paper is not required to prove that something exists. Most of the Academic journals are prejudice, and don't except any real evidence, they just rely on theory. This is a dumb argument that neither side can win, until the truth is revealed in the end. Goodbye, EagleM16.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
uhhh, okay. Let me remind you who started commenting here in the first place. It's rather childish to just run off like that, especially when you claim to have evidence of something that apparently nobody has seen before. That being said, all of the gigantic skeletons that I have tried to search for have ALL been hoaxes... undeniably. See, the cool thing about science is that you can analyze all of the facts and make your own conclusions. Something I'm sure you're not very used to. goodby :P
EagleM16 3 years ago
I just did some research, and I found this National Geographic article, about the Giant Skeleton "Hoax". I said, " This should be good" I read it. It was retarded! They absolutely had no evidence to support there theory. All they had to say was,"We are not for spreading lies, like these people." They just called us liars. That was there evidence. Other giant skeletons have been found, and authenticated.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
Please! Do enlighten us with your superior divinely-inspired research! Please give at least ONE reputable scientific paper demonstrating the existence of a society of giants.
EagleM16 3 years ago
Bluddy hell it amazes me at how insane some of these creationists are. They will Google giant fossils and find some shoddy website claiming how they are true and accept that as 100 percent fact. If real giants were found it would be all over the news. Because unlike creationists, scientists will look ,accept and analyze all facts. They are not tied into one book that is the be all and end all of life.
HateGrind 3 years ago
Yes, they have. They have found giant skeletons over 12 feet tall. It says in the bible,"There were giants in the Earth in those days." And yes, evolutionist do this," Oh, no! They have found giant skeletons...but I think we will just kinda ignore this evidence." The Smithsonian has been responsible for hiding many proofs of Creation. If you actually researched, then you would know about the giant skeletons.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
"It says in the Bible" -- this is not evidence. Like I said below, there is no proof whatsoever that giant humans EVER walked the earth. This is inconsistent with all of the anthropological research that has EVER come from excavation.
EagleM16 3 years ago
Proof and proof, there is no proof for anything that has to do with evolution, it's all just speculations.
Gothxha 3 years ago
look, if you want an argument, i find it hard to believe evolution when they say, making a very long story short, "something we're not entirely sure came from some where, and then blew up, and now here we are. i bet your not convinced and now thinking of a come back, but before you start typing away,like i said, all im asking at the moment is that you guys leave your selfs open to the idea that maybe common sense is not what we think it is. and if that gets me an argument..
yooyooyojp 3 years ago
A comeback why would I use a comeback when I have facts? Why would any intelligent person not use common sense? After all it is common sense and has helped keep our species alive.
Saying it all happened like that is a ridiculous under exaggeration. You cannot describe it as that and expect anyone to believe it.
fatikis 3 years ago
Evidence shows that all stars we see is moving out from a center area. This would show that an explosion propelled us this way. As for the rest we can see can use knowledge we already had to put everything together.
Gravity pulled matter together. Slowly this would create bigger and bigger bodies. planets would start to form together. From there The gravity from multiple planets and a star would pull them into a solar system. Then from there galaxies.
fatikis 3 years ago
i'm not here to talk about facts, i'm only 18 and i can't argue with you guys who are probably 10 times more educated then me, but all I'm asking is that you guys leave your self's open to the idea that maybe theres some thing more to the things that we take as common sense.
yooyooyojp 3 years ago
...I am 18 as well and most consider me very educated. You do not have to have formal education to understand facts. Creationism is just silly and has been proven to be wrong as with the bible on many accounts.
I can't believe you would use your age as a vice to not argue facts. I am 18 and have been holding my own in arguments against adults since I was 13.
Face it if you are not here to talk facts you should probably not be here.
fatikis 3 years ago
ok ok my bad, i won't use the i am 18 deal. honestly, what ever argument i bring up, you people will probably rush at me to shoot it down. witch will force me to comment again with my come back. witch has happened over and over to me at other places on this site. i've come to see that its very difficult to get across anything in this argument topic. and believing in God, thats all im trying to do. fatikis, has your many arguments convinced a believer of God to Believe other whys?
yooyooyojp 3 years ago
I am not sure it possibly has helped considering people I once argued with have cast away their religion.
It is difficult to get things a crossed when you are not telling the truth. You may believe it is the truth but it is not. Atheism is growing because more people are stopping and thinking ...and the worlds IQ is increasing which could also play a key factor.
fatikis 3 years ago
arguing is a way, but not the only way to talk to some one you don't agree with, cheers man.
yooyooyojp 3 years ago
evolution as far as i know does not help any ones life too much, where as if you put god in the picture, you suddenly have an reason in life, a conscious, a sense of right and wrong, and that some one up there loves you even when you hate your self. something all those people that are committing suicide don't have.
yooyooyojp 3 years ago
Haha, nice sonic adventure music!
JackBz 3 years ago
You are asking me to give up legitimate evidence for Creation. These were clear, 100% human foot prints, next to obvious dinosaur tracks. The prints were so clear, that you can even see part of the toe prints. Don't tell me that over millions of years, dinosaur footprints just happened to erode into perfect, identical human footprints, that are exactly the same feet as we humans have today? SURE! Giant, 12 foot tall skeletons have been found, but evolutionists just ignore that REAL evidence.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
Show me. It shouldn't be hard to find evidence for a discovery that large.
Evolutionist do not ignore real evidence we ignore the ravings of unintelligent trolls. We don't listen to you because no evidence of these have been shown.
However even if these were real it in no way would point towards creation.
fatikis 3 years ago
Actually, they HAVE found bones of giants, and possibly, unicorns. It has been explained completely? It was 100% Human tracks, right next to dinosaur tracks, in the same layer, level with each other. Some Atheists would say," Oh! Umm... this only proves that there was a type of dinosaur that had human feet." Wow, can't argue with logic like that, can you?
aaronk1994 3 years ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There, to my knowledge, has never been documented evidence of unicorns, or super sized humans, particularly those walking in the footsteps of the dinosaurs in the same time period... Never, not one.
If the Paluxy River is your only argument, I would just give it up. Scientists have unequivocally determined that the footprints were transformed through millions of years of erosion, and other completely natural phenomena. I can supply proof.
EagleM16 3 years ago
Actually they haven't. Why don't you actually tell the truth. Oh, because it does not support you. No, proof has been found of giants, or unicorns. Even if they were real that does not point towards creation. It only points to another off species of humans or perhaps humans that got pretty damn tall and died from heart failure.
fatikis 3 years ago
Hey, where are you? Its been more than a week. Seems to me, your the one being ignorant.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
amen brother. you tell these evolutionists. it's only a matter of time until they find fossils of unicorns and giants then the word of almighty god will be irrefutable to the scientific world.
xinkor 3 years ago
heheh, if only, if only. ;)
EagleM16 3 years ago
Unfortunately, I don't have as much time to hang out on the internet as I used to.
That being said. Can you point to any specific occurences of intermingled footprints? Most of the ones that I know of, The Paluxy River (Glenrose) tracks for instance, have been explained completely. You may have other evidence that I'd be interested in seeing.
EagleM16 3 years ago
Is xinkor saying he believes in giants and unicorns?
YourGovtLies 3 years ago
There was an evolutionist there. He said that he had not seen anything to disprove evolution. Of course he didn't, because he refused to even turn around and look at the prints! Evolutionists can be ignorant too, you know.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
Yeah, but it still dose not prove that the earth is that old. In Glen Rose, Texas, they found dinosaur, and human footprints in the same layer of rock. They were right next to each other. That is proof of creation, because god says that all animals, and humans lived together. That disproves the theory that dinosaur evolved way before humans, disproving some of evolution.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
What evidence is there for evolution? Maybe there is small changes within species, but that doesn't prove the age of the earth, or the geologic collum, or anything else. No one has ever witnessed any type of evolution, except for micro-evolution, and that should not even be considered evolution. Its just a variation. Sorry for calling you an idiot, you have perfect right to express your opinions.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
I wasn't expecting an apology, but thanks!
The small changes are only evidence for changes that occur on a grander scale, in larger time periods, say millions and billions of years. This just has to be the case, because the current methods for dating the earth are some of the most reliable that we have. If the earth is billions of years old, a claim which would be very hard to dispute, then it is likely that evolution has been at work for a great deal of time, as it is shown in today's research
EagleM16 3 years ago
And you don't know that evolution is the truth! And you probably want to remove creation videos, right? Well, if i am right, then you are such a hypocrite! Creationists started practically every branch of science there is, plus, they were the first to harness electricity, build planes, and they started the United States of America! If you take us away, then your in trouble!
aaronk1994 3 years ago
No, I would like Creationists to post more of their videos! So they can reveal to the world just how ignorant they are, and how caught up they are in ancient traditions that should have been cast out of society long ago. As for all of those achievments you mentioned: That has very VERY little to do with the subject. I'm not going to deny that believers have been responsible for a large number of scientific discoveries, but it has little to do with what we are talking about.
EagleM16 3 years ago
now there is where you go wrong. the theory of evolution, if it ciuld even speak for itself, woulodnt claim to be the absolute truth, nor does any scientist. It is just the best theory to explain all the FACTS we see in the world around us. However, given the amount of evidence for it, its safe to say it is here to stay, like theory of gravity, theory of atoms, theory of electricity, theory of plate tectonics, quantum theory...etc
jzuidema 3 years ago
Oh, poor baby! What have evolutionists got to complain about? They have unlimited funding to teach their RELIGION to people, and they can teach it in public schools to helpless little first-graders, who don't know any better. We creationists, are owning y'all!
aaronk1994 3 years ago
Beg your pardon, but I wasn't complaining about anything. :P I was pointing out how you can't seem to comprehend, much less make, any sort of valid argument either for or against my position.
Evolution is not a religion, it is a scientific theory that has been thoroughly established in the scientific community. There are decades of research papers to prove this.
EagleM16 3 years ago
You have got to be the biggest idiot i have ever seen! Evolutionists are just as ignorant, if not more.
aaronk1994 3 years ago
Oh, please continue to be articulate in describing just why I'm an idiot for voicing my opinions on a (pretty outdated) issue such as this! honestly, if you can't post anything substantial, please refrain from posting here in the future. Because we could argue at length the intellectual incapacity of Hovind's arguments, or the theory of evolution. Ad hominem attacks are not the only things out there. Next time, something substantial please. Thanks.
EagleM16 3 years ago
This song is from Sonic Adventure XD never expected to see that here.
throwitup4mk 3 years ago
Indeed, you win internets!
'Tis an awesome song, very fast paced, and to me it's very angry. :P
EagleM16 3 years ago
his videos are legal to copy as long as you don't make money off of them...you can make as many copy as you want as long as they are given away for free!
downloader33188 3 years ago
YouTube is still free as far as I know, and CSE just decided to flag every single video that contained any criticism of Kent Hovind, even stuff they had no copyright over, which I never really got.
EagleM16 3 years ago
well if people are using his videos for the wrong reason then yeah I could see why they would.he said that there not copyrighted so that you can give them to some who is lost and needs Jesus in their life!but Kent Hovind knows people hates him but he still loves them and wants them to be saved to!and people hate him because he has some really good points that evolution is a religion!people just don;t want to admit the facts!
downloader33188 3 years ago
Evolution isn't a religion. Hovind is a fallacious deceiver. =/
If he formed his arguments well, I would be impressed with him. I would want to listen to him. But what he's done is wrong. Now, I'm having to show people how many of Hovind's alleged 'facts' are wrong. And this is hard to do in the deep South...
proudjester 3 years ago
Since it is a belief, it is a religion. Look at the display here - evolution is defended with religious fervor. People are actually foaming at the mouth if someone dares to question such a theory. It is a belief, and ONLY a belief, that humans are related to field mice, or life evolved from pond scum. Since it is a belief, it is a religion. Not science.
CiscoWes 3 years ago
Actually, no. It's a scientific theory, not a religious belief. If it were religious, the idea would only be explained. This is what religion is -- knowledge gained simply from exposure to the beliefs of others. But for it to be scientific we must have a rather large body of convincing evidence in support of the idea before it can become a theory. Evolutionary theory is backed by such evidence.
How people act in defense of the idea is irrelevant to its scientific standing. Look at the evidence.
proudjester 3 years ago
they are foaming at the mouth because they constantly have to correct all the bullshit coming out of you creationists mouths, spreading the lies and undermining the very science that gave you idiots every luxury and technique you enjoy in this world. so shut up and deal with the fact you GOT IT WRONG!
jzuidema 3 years ago 2
If indeed the majority of Chirstians believe in evolution, that's only a recent occurrence. Fifty years ago it would have been rather difficult to find a Christian who accepted evolution.
Any recent change in this stance is laughably irrelevant. There was a time when all Christians believed that the world was flat, but you'd have a hard time finding anyone so stupid to believe such nonsense now.
You sound like you're trying to make the case that Christians are mostly rational and reasonable...
nosrednugj 3 years ago
Unfortunately that's not the case.
nosrednugj 3 years ago
"Fifty years ago it would have been rather difficult to find a Christian who accepted evolution."
A position not supported by facts. Dobzhansky was a devout Christian and is a father or modern Biology; he said himself "Nothing in Biology makes any sense except in the light of Evolution." Gregor Mendel, father of Genetics and Catholic priest. Oswald Avery discovered DNA was the structure of genes; devout Baptist. All of these men's work was crucial to understanding Evolution. Need I go on?
HastaFatum 3 years ago
Your point that many genetic and evolutionary scientists are Christian does nothing to address the notion that the vast majority of Christians throughout history have denounced evolution.
nosrednugj 3 years ago
And your broad statement of "throughout history" does much to dilute my point that 50 YEARS AGO, you COULD find many Christians who supported it, including i2 of the 3 I mentioned (the third, Mendel, was writing his own theories of evolution while Darwin was writing his). "... you're trying to make the case that Christians are mostly rational and reasonable." If I believed in God, I would ask forgiveness for such bigotry.
HastaFatum 3 years ago
If your anger lies with Creationists, take it up with them; ignorantly lumping them in the same category as the majority of modern-day Christians makes us Atheists look pretty fucking stupid.
HastaFatum 3 years ago
"If I believed in God, I would ask forgiveness for such bigotry"..."lumping them in the same category as the majority of modern-day Christians makes us Atheists look pretty fucking stupid."
I'd say you're over-reacting.
I'm just saying that most Christians believe evolution conflicts with Christianity, and that most Christians choose to reject it.
And in your twisted small mind, this somehow equates to bigotry.
Methinks you're a kook.
nosrednugj 3 years ago
"I'm just saying that most Christians believe evolution conflicts... most Christians choose to reject it."
That was one of your points, not the one I was refuting (for the last time, you COULD find Christians 50 years ago who accepted Evolution), but this one is still incorrect. The NCSE says 89.6 of people in the 12 largest denominations in the US in 1998(!) belonged to churches supporting Evolution education, and when you expand to Christians worldwide, the majority DOES accept Evolution.
HastaFatum 3 years ago
"And in your twisted small mind, this somehow equates to bigotry. Methinks you're a kook."
- I'll take "Moronic, Conceited Statements" for 2000.
- "... You're trying to make the case that Christians are mostly rational and reasonable."
- Uh... What is Bigotry?
- You are Correct!
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