I don't know about the JW's, but I do know that sacrifice is an integral part of life. When you make a sacrifice, you're entering into a covenant (either formally, informally, consciously, or subconsciously) with something greater than yourself. This is called God. No utility in rejecting God, if anyone here is. IOW, the term "God" is an ontological singularity which EVERYONE has to varying degrees of accuracy and therefor efficacy in obtaining one's desires.
@ILYIAB There's ample reason to hold the Old and New Testaments in high scrutiny. I'm saying that God exists because everyone, you included, is subject to something greater than yourself. To attain what you seek, you work with your conception of that higher power. That "higher power" is the ontological singularity which lies within everyone's psyche, albeit to varying degrees of accuracy.
@parkerjwill " I'm saying that God exists because everyone, you included, is subject to something greater than yourself." >> No I'm not. Why do you say that? Any evidence for that?
@ILYIAB Are you serious? What, you think you're all-powerful? What are you some kind of moron? LOL You're landlord extracts rent from you every month, or your bank. That's one simple example. You rely on other organisms for your sustenance, otherwise you die of starvation. You seriously think you're supremely sovereign? OMGTMFIAI
@ILYIAB "When did I say I was all-powerful?" [you] "I'm saying God exists because everyone, you included, is subject to something greater than yourself." [me] "No I'm not. Why do you say that? Any [empirical] evidence for that?" [you] - So yeah, you implied you were supremely sovereign by denying being subject to anything greater than yourself. Which is ridiculous.
As for empiricism, it cannot even prove or explain consciousness. So why place dogmatic faith in it?
@parkerjwill Nice summary. You are constructing a false dichotomy. And questioning an assertion that you make doesn't make me any part of your assertion.
@ILYIAB I see dichotomy between the infinitesimal and the Infinite. No false dichotomy here. Like so many others, you come across as dogmatically confident in empiricism. Empirically-based epistemologies are intrinsically limited, they will never be able to satisfy those who dogmatically subscribe to them.
@ILYIAB It's called dhyana-yoga. The whole yoga system is about realizing the non-empirical world. You have to work for it, you can't just beg like a spoiled child.
@parkerjwill I get it. I've always got it. You never got it.
Mohammed Atta had a personal experience. So did the dude with alien probes up his ass. And the ppl who committed mass-suicide in LA cos they wanted to catch a ride on the space-ship that was passing.
One of my best friends is a Yoga instructor.
Now. Try to answer my previous comment. I'll copy it here - " Give evidence for a non-empirical world. Please. Pretty, pretty, please..." .... Evidence should be available to anyone.
1 JW's do not seek martyrdom but know the risks and benefits. They absolutely want the best medical care available, except for blood!
2 It's a fact that EVERY patient has the universal right to choose the treatment that he believes is in his best interests.
3 Bloodless surgery has become a serious medical standard (mainly propelled by the JW's stand) that benefits Witness AND non-Witness patients. How about the morality of the non-Witnesses whose refusal of blood is NOT based on the Bible?
@Sabianfan what about all the ones that gave up their life for the wt mind control cult and then they change the blood policies... what about them... they DIED FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know 3 people personaly didn't take blood because of the watchtower policies and now the watchtower has changed those policies... they are murderers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and don't give me new light shit either..
Using capital letters or screaming "they are murderers!!!!!!!!!" make a strong appeal to the emotions but don't forget that JW's who sincerely want to obey the command to abstain from blood (Acts15:29) are the same JW's that don't participate in war because of Gods word. Is it also mind control that Hutu & Tutsi Witnesses of Jehovah risked their lives to protect one another from the ethnic slaughter that swept Rwanda in the 90's?
@Sabianfan Ohh yes and they died for nothing also... they were listening to the WT organization and following their instructions... look deep into those situations and you will be very surprised at what you find.... the WT organization is responsible for more deaths than you know.... research my dear research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You and I know that every witness wants to live. What about Acts 5:29: ...Peter and the [other] apostles said: We must obey God as ruler rather than men. This can occur in several conflicting situations. Do you believe that the Christians in the Roman Colosseum and amphitheaters died for nothing? What about the resurrection? Try to find out what that has to do with the wish to be faithful to God's word (Hint: Revelations 2:10)
@Sabianfan yes but the WT society want you to obey them first!!!... listen to their words... listen to the words of the Watchtower... if you don't believe in the Watchtower you don't beieve in god... that has been said to me umpteen dozen times.... they put the watchtower society before god...do research!!!!!!!!!! listen to what they tell you.... that is not what god tells you...he dosen't say that the watchtower comes first before him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WT 2007 5/15 says about the ressurection: These miracles were performed not in secret but openly, often in front of eyewitnesses. Jesus resurrected Lazarus, who had been dead for four days, in front of a crowd of mourners—no doubt including the mans family, friends, and neighbors. This evidence that Jesus was sent by God was so forceful that Jesus religious enemies never denied that it had happened. Instead, they plotted to kill not only Jesus but also Lazarus!
Also, if the resurrection of Jesus didn't actually happen, what could have motivated the early Christians to face heavy persecution? Over 500 witnesses actually saw Jesus alive following his resurrection (1 Cor. 15:3-8; Acts 1:2, 3, 9). Why should they risk their lives to tell others about it if it was just a lie ?
@VAIO294 >Does a person have to be a JW to know GOD and have GOD's Salvation?
Good question, although it's off-topic (sorry Ilyiab, I know what you said in the vid).
According to Eph. 4:4-6 (one Lord, one faith..one God & Father) the Bible does not agree with the modern view that there are many acceptable ways to worship God. I believe Jesus' words in John 4:24: "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." I believe JW's have God's spirit & the truth.
I guess your answer to my last question is,,, "No comment".
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According to the BIBLE, you must go to JESUS to receive Eternal Life, NOT to the WT Organization.
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John 6:40 ~ "Jehovah's will is that EVERYONE who looks to JESUS and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and I, JESUS, will raise him up at the last day."
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John 3:36 ~ "Whoever Believes in the Son HAS Everlasting Life"
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2 Tim 3:15 ~ ..salvation through FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.
@Sabianfan I have to agree that the use of CAPITALS and !!!!!! are detrimental to and argument. Unfortunately, an argument can be poorly presented but still have merit.
One good deed does not equal a bad dogma. The good the Catholic church has done doesn't mean that the dogma that caused the rape of children and the deaths of AIDS victims in Africa are excused. They are still immoral. So are the JW's in allowing/letting children being offered as blood sacrifice on the altar of YHWH.
2. Agreed. The demand from the organization doesn't make it much of a choice, does it?
3. No. That's propaganda. Using real blood is still the preferred practice since the outcome is more predictable. In some cases bloodless surgery is beneficial. Don't twist it!
Remember, this is a matter of dogma. Not medical practice. Address the question whether it's moral for YHWH to demand blood sacrifice!
Hmm, missed some comments. Anyway, besides the medical issue, I think it's moral for YHWH to demand blood sacrifice. All relevant biblical events (Abraham/Isaac, sacrifice of animals under the Mosaic Law, death of Christ, prohibition on blood in Acts etc.), would remind the Israelites not only of their hereditary sinfulness but also of the need for a ransom sacrifice to cover sins and restore human perfection. Therefore JW's put YHWH's morality above man's morality.
@SwissTopper They carry "blood cards" to make sure that they don't get medical treatment that involves blood if unconscious. I can only speak for myself, but I had the feeling of being proud to deny blood if it came to that.
I don't know about the JW's, but I do know that sacrifice is an integral part of life. When you make a sacrifice, you're entering into a covenant (either formally, informally, consciously, or subconsciously) with something greater than yourself. This is called God. No utility in rejecting God, if anyone here is. IOW, the term "God" is an ontological singularity which EVERYONE has to varying degrees of accuracy and therefor efficacy in obtaining one's desires.
parkerjwill 1 month ago
@parkerjwill So you reject the bible as the word of god?
I'm not "EVERYONE", so you have to explain that.
ILYIAB 1 month ago
@ILYIAB There's ample reason to hold the Old and New Testaments in high scrutiny. I'm saying that God exists because everyone, you included, is subject to something greater than yourself. To attain what you seek, you work with your conception of that higher power. That "higher power" is the ontological singularity which lies within everyone's psyche, albeit to varying degrees of accuracy.
parkerjwill 1 month ago
@parkerjwill " I'm saying that God exists because everyone, you included, is subject to something greater than yourself." >> No I'm not. Why do you say that? Any evidence for that?
"ontological singularity" >> ROFLMAO
ILYIAB 1 month ago
@ILYIAB Are you serious? What, you think you're all-powerful? What are you some kind of moron? LOL You're landlord extracts rent from you every month, or your bank. That's one simple example. You rely on other organisms for your sustenance, otherwise you die of starvation. You seriously think you're supremely sovereign? OMGTMFIAI
parkerjwill 1 month ago
@parkerjwill When did I say I was all-powerful?
Landlord - Check, Empirical evidence exist
Bank - Check, Empirical evidence exist
Organisms - Check Empirical evidence exist
God - Not checked, No empirical evidence exist
What's so hard about understanding that?
After looking at your channel, I'd advice that you seek proper care.
ILYIAB 1 month ago
@ILYIAB "When did I say I was all-powerful?" [you] "I'm saying God exists because everyone, you included, is subject to something greater than yourself." [me] "No I'm not. Why do you say that? Any [empirical] evidence for that?" [you] - So yeah, you implied you were supremely sovereign by denying being subject to anything greater than yourself. Which is ridiculous.
As for empiricism, it cannot even prove or explain consciousness. So why place dogmatic faith in it?
parkerjwill 1 month ago
@parkerjwill Nice summary. You are constructing a false dichotomy. And questioning an assertion that you make doesn't make me any part of your assertion.
What "dogmatic faith" is it that I have?
ILYIAB 1 month ago
@ILYIAB I see dichotomy between the infinitesimal and the Infinite. No false dichotomy here. Like so many others, you come across as dogmatically confident in empiricism. Empirically-based epistemologies are intrinsically limited, they will never be able to satisfy those who dogmatically subscribe to them.
parkerjwill 1 month ago
@parkerjwill Sigh. Personal experiences are real, right?
Give evidence for a non-empirical world. Please. Pretty, pretty, please...
ILYIAB 1 month ago
@ILYIAB It's called dhyana-yoga. The whole yoga system is about realizing the non-empirical world. You have to work for it, you can't just beg like a spoiled child.
parkerjwill 1 month ago
@parkerjwill I get it. I've always got it. You never got it.
Mohammed Atta had a personal experience. So did the dude with alien probes up his ass. And the ppl who committed mass-suicide in LA cos they wanted to catch a ride on the space-ship that was passing.
One of my best friends is a Yoga instructor.
Now. Try to answer my previous comment. I'll copy it here - " Give evidence for a non-empirical world. Please. Pretty, pretty, please..." .... Evidence should be available to anyone.
ILYIAB 4 weeks ago
@ILYIAB U require too much council. I'm out.
parkerjwill 4 weeks ago
@parkerjwill "council" ?? Funny. Good luck on your search for nothing.
ILYIAB 4 weeks ago
This video is insubstantial. What's the JW position on blood sacrifice and why does YHWH demand it?
parkerjwill 1 month ago
1 JW's do not seek martyrdom but know the risks and benefits. They absolutely want the best medical care available, except for blood!
2 It's a fact that EVERY patient has the universal right to choose the treatment that he believes is in his best interests.
3 Bloodless surgery has become a serious medical standard (mainly propelled by the JW's stand) that benefits Witness AND non-Witness patients. How about the morality of the non-Witnesses whose refusal of blood is NOT based on the Bible?
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan what about all the ones that gave up their life for the wt mind control cult and then they change the blood policies... what about them... they DIED FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know 3 people personaly didn't take blood because of the watchtower policies and now the watchtower has changed those policies... they are murderers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and don't give me new light shit either..
mylilsaffire 1 year ago
@mylilsaffire
You wrote >"they DIED FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Using capital letters or screaming "they are murderers!!!!!!!!!" make a strong appeal to the emotions but don't forget that JW's who sincerely want to obey the command to abstain from blood (Acts15:29) are the same JW's that don't participate in war because of Gods word. Is it also mind control that Hutu & Tutsi Witnesses of Jehovah risked their lives to protect one another from the ethnic slaughter that swept Rwanda in the 90's?
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan Ohh yes and they died for nothing also... they were listening to the WT organization and following their instructions... look deep into those situations and you will be very surprised at what you find.... the WT organization is responsible for more deaths than you know.... research my dear research!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mylilsaffire 1 year ago
@mylilsaffire
>Ohh yes and they died for nothing also
You and I know that every witness wants to live. What about Acts 5:29: ...Peter and the [other] apostles said: We must obey God as ruler rather than men. This can occur in several conflicting situations. Do you believe that the Christians in the Roman Colosseum and amphitheaters died for nothing? What about the resurrection? Try to find out what that has to do with the wish to be faithful to God's word (Hint: Revelations 2:10)
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan yes but the WT society want you to obey them first!!!... listen to their words... listen to the words of the Watchtower... if you don't believe in the Watchtower you don't beieve in god... that has been said to me umpteen dozen times.... they put the watchtower society before god...do research!!!!!!!!!! listen to what they tell you.... that is not what god tells you...he dosen't say that the watchtower comes first before him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mylilsaffire 1 year ago
@Sabianfan Give me a single piece of objectively verifiable evidence of a resurrection.
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@ILYIAB
WT 2007 5/15 says about the ressurection: These miracles were performed not in secret but openly, often in front of eyewitnesses. Jesus resurrected Lazarus, who had been dead for four days, in front of a crowd of mourners—no doubt including the mans family, friends, and neighbors. This evidence that Jesus was sent by God was so forceful that Jesus religious enemies never denied that it had happened. Instead, they plotted to kill not only Jesus but also Lazarus!
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan Sooo.. Not verifiable. And not objective. You know how to spell F-A-I-L.?
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@ILYIAB
Also, if the resurrection of Jesus didn't actually happen, what could have motivated the early Christians to face heavy persecution? Over 500 witnesses actually saw Jesus alive following his resurrection (1 Cor. 15:3-8; Acts 1:2, 3, 9). Why should they risk their lives to tell others about it if it was just a lie ?
I believe history is your piece of evidence...
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan Ad Populum fallacy. Damn! You don't get it do you? Too brainwashed?
Second accounts? I mean. 500 zombies in the streets should have made the headlines in the Roman Empire!?
You would risk your life for a lie. So? What's your point?
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@mylilsaffire I appreciate your comments. They are welcomed. We are on the same side.
May I please ask you to make your comments constructive, to the point and leave the emotional CAPITALS and !!!!!!!! out? Thank you.
If you keep your comments factual, there's no need for emotions. The reality speaks for itself. ;-)
Thank you!
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@Sabianfan
Have you gone to JESUS CHRIST and placed your Faith and Hope in Jesus for your Salvation like JEHOVAH has commanded you to do?
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Or do you see the Watchtower Organization as your Savior instead of Jesus?
VAIO294 1 year ago
@VAIO294
Yes.
No.
Any more questions?
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan
Yes, another question.
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Does a person have to be a JW to know GOD and have GOD's Salvation?
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VAIO294 1 year ago
@VAIO294 >Does a person have to be a JW to know GOD and have GOD's Salvation?
Good question, although it's off-topic (sorry Ilyiab, I know what you said in the vid).
According to Eph. 4:4-6 (one Lord, one faith..one God & Father) the Bible does not agree with the modern view that there are many acceptable ways to worship God. I believe Jesus' words in John 4:24: "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth." I believe JW's have God's spirit & the truth.
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan No problem! :-) I always like people of faith arguing. It makes the case for being an atheist.
Your comment was marked as spam, but I opened it again. I'll keep an eye on VAIO294.
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@Sabianfan
I guess your answer to my last question is,,, "No comment".
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According to the BIBLE, you must go to JESUS to receive Eternal Life, NOT to the WT Organization.
>
John 6:40 ~ "Jehovah's will is that EVERYONE who looks to JESUS and Believes in Him shall have Eternal Life, and I, JESUS, will raise him up at the last day."
>
John 3:36 ~ "Whoever Believes in the Son HAS Everlasting Life"
>
2 Tim 3:15 ~ ..salvation through FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST.
VAIO294 1 year ago
@Sabianfan I have to agree that the use of CAPITALS and !!!!!! are detrimental to and argument. Unfortunately, an argument can be poorly presented but still have merit.
One good deed does not equal a bad dogma. The good the Catholic church has done doesn't mean that the dogma that caused the rape of children and the deaths of AIDS victims in Africa are excused. They are still immoral. So are the JW's in allowing/letting children being offered as blood sacrifice on the altar of YHWH.
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@Sabianfan 1. Agree. Doesn't make it more moral.
2. Agreed. The demand from the organization doesn't make it much of a choice, does it?
3. No. That's propaganda. Using real blood is still the preferred practice since the outcome is more predictable. In some cases bloodless surgery is beneficial. Don't twist it!
Remember, this is a matter of dogma. Not medical practice. Address the question whether it's moral for YHWH to demand blood sacrifice!
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@ILYIAB
Hmm, missed some comments. Anyway, besides the medical issue, I think it's moral for YHWH to demand blood sacrifice. All relevant biblical events (Abraham/Isaac, sacrifice of animals under the Mosaic Law, death of Christ, prohibition on blood in Acts etc.), would remind the Israelites not only of their hereditary sinfulness but also of the need for a ransom sacrifice to cover sins and restore human perfection. Therefore JW's put YHWH's morality above man's morality.
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan This is the most reprehensible comment I ever got. And I got death treats from muslims. !!!!
I will make a vid about this comment.
Damn! You are brainwashed!.
ILYIAB 1 year ago
@ILYIAB
Please don't lose it my friend. How can this surprise you after having read the entire Bible several times in your life?
Please be thankful that I gave you inspiration for yet another video! ;-D
Sabianfan 1 year ago
@Sabianfan 1. Yes. Ok.
2. Yes. But you would shun any JW exercising that right if it goes against your dogma. Right?
3. Boldface lie! Please provide a ref article. (Not JW propaganda)
ILYIAB 1 year ago
No not would let the child die, it's DID, DO, and worse WILL
PrintedTruth 1 year ago
@PrintedTruth Correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
ILYIAB 1 year ago
Good video, but do they really believe it is "good" to die for their faith, or are they simply choosing the lesser of two evils?
SwissTopper 1 year ago
@SwissTopper They carry "blood cards" to make sure that they don't get medical treatment that involves blood if unconscious. I can only speak for myself, but I had the feeling of being proud to deny blood if it came to that.
ILYIAB 1 year ago