J. S. Bach - Ricercare a 6 from "Musikalisches Opfer" BWV 1079 - Jazz-Voices transcription

[noratranvouez]

clear and swinging ! perhaps a little fast but otherwise, very good style. It seems so naturally written for the Sws and MJQ ! Thanks a lot japino 11.

[VicodinAddicted]

awesome

i can't stop listening

[foerster]

La grandezza di Johann Sebastian Bach in ogni forma

[jpckrd]

In Bach, complex chords resolve to simple triads. In Jazz, complex chords often don't resolve. Hence, many complex chords move from a dissonant function to a consonant function such that there's not as much range in between consonant and dissonant. Emotionally, I just don't fill the same tug that happens from the regular tension and resolution.

[TheBwv565]

très sympa!!

les versions pour cordes sont aussi très belles et puissantes!! ;)

venez en parler sur le FORUM BACH ?!

forumjsb. aceboard. fr

à bientot!

[zileyp]

o my happy earlobbes!! moving for its own disonancia

[Jackoby62]

Id like to consider myself a huge JS Bach fan. Yes Markzilla his music was open to interpretation & very close to Jazz. Lots of jazz musicians have proved this. Some of Bachs preludes seam very jazz orientated. You only have to listen to Jaques Lossier.

[jezmuff]

There are no performers in this this is 100% MIDI - what's wrong with you guys?

[ManricdelaVirolla]

@jezmuff - It's you who has it wrong, friend. You have been too clever. The Swingle Singers are a vocal group that are versioning Bach and other masters since 1965 or thereabouts. No midi and no other tricks here.

[dreemer777]

So dense polyphonic composition, sung by voices reveals its beaty and deepness. By no means, Bach was the clearest genius of all the times.

[Baruchyoseph8]

So much appreciated - what can one say .... my opinion is that A Musical Offering, by Bach is one of his supreme compositions .... but then again, what did he write that isn't? This is an especially beautiful rendition ....

[jezmuff]

@Baruchyoseph8 THIS IS A COMPUTER RENDITION!!

[Varese13]

Great freedom and space was given to improvisation, embellishments, etc...

Yes and no. It depends. The Italian style was more as you describe it. But the French style pioneered by Lully was anything but free and was all about the score. German composers used both styles fluently, but according to CPE Bach, his father preferred adherence to his written score and indicated the embellishments he wanted.

[lavinder11]

Guys... I'm having such a hard time with this song. The poster is Russian and he swears up and down it's the Swingle Sisters but I'm not sure. I can't even remember the name of the original tuen:

watch? v = bztKXvCyeIc

[piscean60]

who do you think it might be ?

Were there sound-alikes or copycat groups? I don't know enough about the genre-

cheers

[lavinder11]

The person said it was Swingle Sisters, but they use their voices. It may have been the Modern Jazz Quartet, but I can't find it. And the man is a Russian ballet instructor, so there is the language barrier and I don't think he looks at all the comments. :(

[JckDupp]

The poster has it right.

The tune is Bach (Musical Offering)

The Swingle Singers and MJQ did this in Paris, in 1966. It can be found on a CD called

"Modern Jazz Quartet Place Vendome"

[lavinder11]

Are you talking about this song? Or the song from the ballet video I posted>

[JckDupp]

This post

[lavinder11]

Ah, no. I was talking about the video I posted at the end of my original comment. Looks like it's been taken down anyway.

[lavinder11]

watch?v=bztKXvCyeIc

this one

[piscean60]

Love the Swingle Singers- awesome sound from a bye-gone era-

thankyou for posting!!

cheers

[massimolioy]

bella

[Markzilla01]

It is argued that Bach Johan Sebastian, was the first jazz musician, quite possibly! All the same the sound of Bach played in swing and modern jazz as here by the MJQ is quite sublime and shows that perhaps jazz was the heir to classical music for both improvisation and arrangement - and how long will you be remembered Britney?

[bersa888]

Baroque music is possibly the closest "classical music" to Jazz indeed.

[maricahn]

@bersa888 Only in chromatic compositions.

[bersa888]

@maricahn: Not only that, but also and mainly in the freedom left to the performer, and the fact that the written score was considered more or less like a blue print, a guide for the performance - less so in Bach's case, who liked to indicate articulations and bowing - and not the "sacred, untouchable text" of later years ;-) Great freedom and space was given to improvisation, embellishments, etc...

[2ndviolinist]

@Markzilla01 Britney who?

[jpckrd]

Though I agree there are some similarities between Jazz and Bach, I feel that unlike Jazz, Bach preserves the two sides of consonance and dissonance whereas Jazz water down the two sides and blends them together, which is not as satisfying to me. After listening to a lot of Bach, Jazz comes across as having sloppy harmony to me.

[watchingtelly]

@jpckrd Firstly, I have to say how good it is to hear people talking about the great JSB and jazz at the same time! But not wanting to be didactic, I think that jazz can join harmony and dissonance without them merging (or merge them when appropriate). As a jazz analogue to the way that Bach's Ricercare a 6 builds and resolves, listen to Coltrane's Blue Train as it slowly builds from minor to major, or Eric Dolphy's Gazzelloni. Music is how God smiles at us.

[samynohff]

@watchingtelly ..I loved your comment,,it indicates a vast knowledge of the Baroque style,, in addition to a highly sensation of musical construction,,filtered through very fine feelings,,,,Thank you.  Samy.

[watchingtelly]

@samynohff Thank you for your kind words Samy.

[mightyafrowhitey]

@jpckrd I would definitely have to disagree about jazz somehow "watering down" consonance and dissonance. I'm not even really sure what that means though, so what do I know. I only know that I love both jazz and classical and to me both are equally amazing.

[4hm3dimr4n]

@Markzilla01

I keep seeing this argument and it's ridiculous. For Bach to be a jazz musician, he would have to have been a part of jazz culture, which, at the time, was non existent. Jazz is an extension of "classical". Get over it. Besides, he wouldn't have fit into that culture anyway. I've heard that people in jazz (Miles Davis in particular) took a lack of skill and turned it into a style...that's just pathetic.

[OfficialTSC]

@4hm3dimr4n there's a different between "no talent" and "modesty". Just because Miles Davis said that "there is no such thing as a mistake, only improvisation", doesn't mean he sucked. Bach would have totally fit, he wasn't known as a composer at his time, but as an improviser, (though solo)

[4hm3dimr4n]

@OfficialTSC I know he was considered to be the greatest improviser on the organ in Europe during his time. You probably realized that I'm very much into "classical" music. Keep in mind that I do highly value improvisation unlike other classicists. But I doubt he would have fit into the jazz scene. Bach is all about clarity, balance and symmetry and was very religious. I don't think he would've been going around playing "gigs" with people like miles davis. Bach strived to be the best and he was.

[OfficialTSC]

@4hm3dimr4n I still think he would have fit, Time and culture changed, he might not have become so religious, but the symmetry thing I get, how he flattened as much as he sharpened (not all the time), but I think he would be able to fit that in, for example. if if miles davis were to do a lot of sharpening, he might flatten a lot in his solo.

[OfficialTSC]

@OfficialTSC I think that we can't really know because Bach grew in a different culture, maybe if he was raised, and taught differentlywould have been able to fit. if you would have him travel through time as he was, to jam, I don't think he would've fit. But I think he had the potential, he would have been able to fit. if you would have him travel through time as he was, to jam, I don't think he would've fit. But I think he had the potential

[4hm3dimr4n]

@OfficialTSC One way or another, I would not change Bach as he was for it was his example that made music as we know and could probably have never seen it as it is today. It is good to see jazz people take interest in Bach rather than dismiss him as "some old classical guy" like may did back in his day. I'm not sure what you mean by sharpening and flattening.

[gitzolinick]

beautiful! thanks

[l4l4licious]

very cool :)

[qwe07]

What an interesting interpretation!