@khalikea Hmmmm.....I would tend to tell you that is an incorrect bow hold. How does it work for you? Are you a beginner? Are you happy with your bow hold, or do you think you need to change that thumb? --L
I'm a beginner and i definitely have to change the way i hold the bow. This video really help me getting the bow hold right although it may take a while to get used to it but i feel more relax holding the bow after watching this. Thank you so much.
Arggg! Im working towards grd 8 and I cannot hold my bow properly! can somebody give me a video to help me. (Im very impatient so im sorry if i dont like the video)
@Tgedz98 The best I have to offer is the video you just watched! It does take patience and perseverance! Have you watched my other videos on bow technique? I have one for developing the "Colle", and I think that is appropriate Grade 8. Also, check out the 2 videos called, "Two Bow Holds for Every VIolinist". That clears up alot of confusion for many people. Good luck! (try to be patient! LOL)
@FiddlerAdam Hi FiddlerAdam! Yes, it is the Galamian bow hold, more or less, although I was never instructed to use it....I did learn a Russian bow hold formally (maybe you are spotting some left-over Russian influence!) The reason I call it the "Advanced Bow Hold" is because an earlier video shows "The Beginner's Bow Hold" used in the Suzuki Method, where the thumb sits on the ferrule. Nice Turkey in the Straw, by the way! --L
By "higher up" I'm assuming you mean towards the tip. I have seen many fiddle players hold their bow this way, and in fact, some authentic baroque players hold their bows higher up. So, for fiddle and baroque playing, it is not "incorrect", although I still wouldn't advise it, simply because it competes with the advanced bow hold that I teach. I would advise you to learn to play different styles using the same bow hold. And that's just my opinion! Great question! --L
I it correct to hold the bow higher up than the frog, i.e., is it correct to have your bow hold higher up on the bow, with your index and middle fingers not being on the ebony at all?
i have a question on the index finger's role in this bow hold. I have the same bow hold just that i seem to put too much pressure on the index finger and after a few hours of playing i have a red spot above the middle knuckle of the index. That's obviously a sign of tension but i love that i get to control the sound i project by pressing on the index. Could that lead to injuries in the future? lovely vids, above anything else on youtube btw
@c0mpuipf Thanks for your comment! I have posted 2 videos in response to your question. They are 2 lessons from my online violin lesson class. They are called "Lesson 17.1- Two Bow Holds for Every VIolinist" or something like that, and the other one is titled, "Lesson 17.1b" Anyway, the first video is now the featured video on my channel, so come to RedDesertViolin and see if it helps you.
@c0mpuipf But I"ll still offer you some thoughts on your question. Pressure from the index finger is a mixed bag. 1) The pressure should not be constant. It should be greater at the tip, and ZERO at the frog. (see the video, it explains all this) Furthermore, I try to minimize the pressure coming from JUST my index finger, because YES, this can lead to overuse injury. INSTEAD, try to learn to transfer RELAXED ARM WEIGHT into the bow. But yes, this requires Index participation. Keep me posted!
Yeah, I've used this bow hold for years - it's not the exact way most teachers tell their students to hold their bow, but it gives a lot more support then the "right" way.
@UnicornCivilWar Oh, me too! (except for the small thumb spot)....but if I see a violinist grasping their bow in their fist, touching the hair...I just want to grab it from them!!!
AMAZING I am an older beginner who has STRUGGLED with my sound. I instantly played better. I really understand now why the thumb has to be bent....It really makes a difference when you pull the bow away from the body!! THis has been the best playing advise I have had so far! My teacher...tried to explain it....YOU DID explain it!!!!! Thanks you so much. I had become very discouraged and have almost quit playing a few times! thanks!!
@bongalis1 Sometimes the smallest thing can shed light on a huge problem. I'm glad it helped you! But, you also helped yourself! Keep up the good work! --L
Thanks so much, finally a detailed video which shows from all hidden angles how to hold the bow, I never could figure out exactly how the thumb would sit on the frog before this video!
@eCicerone THANK YOU for the very nice feedback! There will be more coming, I promise! I'm busy getting my blog up and running...come visit sometime at RedDesertViolin!
This is a really helpful video. It's hard to find resources that show exactly where to place each finger. I do get that slipping feeling with the pinky. I naturally curve my fingers but I find my thumb straightening out while trying to move the bow. How long does it usually take before your hands are comfortable holding a bow?
@inscribedswara Another idea to help you until you get comfortable holding the bow is to place a nice sticky rubber band on the stick where your pinky goes....just double and qualdruple it until it's on there good and tight. Your pinky will seek out the rubber, and it helps. But for you, the biggest help for your pinky will be to cut your nail short, and find the INNER OCTAGONAL PLANE.
@inscribedswara To answer your question about how long it should take: If you already have bad habits, it will take longer. My beginners are comfortable within a couple months, if they practice it daily. That doesn't mean they don't need to work anymore....but they hold their stick naturally and they don't fight it. If you have a bad habits, I'd give yourself a month for the bad habit, and 2 months for the new techniques to set in.....if you work on it consistently, with no week-long gaps!
I have played for 10 years and this has given me a lot to think about. Great video!
jack002tuber 1 week ago
Hi @jack002tuber. I'm glad it gave you something to think about and hope that this is a good thing. :)
RedDesertViolin 1 week ago
that's touching!
luanlovelyman 2 weeks ago
my thumb tends to curve inwards at the 2nd crease
khalikea 3 weeks ago
@khalikea Hmmmm.....I would tend to tell you that is an incorrect bow hold. How does it work for you? Are you a beginner? Are you happy with your bow hold, or do you think you need to change that thumb? --L
RedDesertViolin 2 weeks ago
@RedDesertViolin
I'm a beginner and i definitely have to change the way i hold the bow. This video really help me getting the bow hold right although it may take a while to get used to it but i feel more relax holding the bow after watching this. Thank you so much.
khalikea 2 weeks ago
Arggg! Im working towards grd 8 and I cannot hold my bow properly! can somebody give me a video to help me. (Im very impatient so im sorry if i dont like the video)
Tgedz98 2 months ago
@Tgedz98 The best I have to offer is the video you just watched! It does take patience and perseverance! Have you watched my other videos on bow technique? I have one for developing the "Colle", and I think that is appropriate Grade 8. Also, check out the 2 videos called, "Two Bow Holds for Every VIolinist". That clears up alot of confusion for many people. Good luck! (try to be patient! LOL)
RedDesertViolin 2 months ago
I got an addiction hold the arc violin wrong. help me please.
fernando1821a 2 months ago
Thank you, a value class
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Abujax1 3 months ago
@FiddlerAdam Hi FiddlerAdam! Yes, it is the Galamian bow hold, more or less, although I was never instructed to use it....I did learn a Russian bow hold formally (maybe you are spotting some left-over Russian influence!) The reason I call it the "Advanced Bow Hold" is because an earlier video shows "The Beginner's Bow Hold" used in the Suzuki Method, where the thumb sits on the ferrule. Nice Turkey in the Straw, by the way! --L
RedDesertViolin 4 months ago
By "higher up" I'm assuming you mean towards the tip. I have seen many fiddle players hold their bow this way, and in fact, some authentic baroque players hold their bows higher up. So, for fiddle and baroque playing, it is not "incorrect", although I still wouldn't advise it, simply because it competes with the advanced bow hold that I teach. I would advise you to learn to play different styles using the same bow hold. And that's just my opinion! Great question! --L
RedDesertViolin 4 months ago
I it correct to hold the bow higher up than the frog, i.e., is it correct to have your bow hold higher up on the bow, with your index and middle fingers not being on the ebony at all?
jesscgrant 4 months ago
i have a question on the index finger's role in this bow hold. I have the same bow hold just that i seem to put too much pressure on the index finger and after a few hours of playing i have a red spot above the middle knuckle of the index. That's obviously a sign of tension but i love that i get to control the sound i project by pressing on the index. Could that lead to injuries in the future? lovely vids, above anything else on youtube btw
c0mpuipf 4 months ago
@c0mpuipf Thanks for your comment! I have posted 2 videos in response to your question. They are 2 lessons from my online violin lesson class. They are called "Lesson 17.1- Two Bow Holds for Every VIolinist" or something like that, and the other one is titled, "Lesson 17.1b" Anyway, the first video is now the featured video on my channel, so come to RedDesertViolin and see if it helps you.
RedDesertViolin 4 months ago
@c0mpuipf But I"ll still offer you some thoughts on your question. Pressure from the index finger is a mixed bag. 1) The pressure should not be constant. It should be greater at the tip, and ZERO at the frog. (see the video, it explains all this) Furthermore, I try to minimize the pressure coming from JUST my index finger, because YES, this can lead to overuse injury. INSTEAD, try to learn to transfer RELAXED ARM WEIGHT into the bow. But yes, this requires Index participation. Keep me posted!
RedDesertViolin 4 months ago
@c0mpuipf SORRY IT'S CALLED "LESSON 17.7" not 17.1!
RedDesertViolin 4 months ago
Yeah, I've used this bow hold for years - it's not the exact way most teachers tell their students to hold their bow, but it gives a lot more support then the "right" way.
Ulquiorra105 5 months ago
I cringe when I see someone touching the hair on the bow. Years of being told not to come back in a flash, lol.
UnicornCivilWar 5 months ago
@UnicornCivilWar Oh, me too! (except for the small thumb spot)....but if I see a violinist grasping their bow in their fist, touching the hair...I just want to grab it from them!!!
RedDesertViolin 5 months ago
AMAZING I am an older beginner who has STRUGGLED with my sound. I instantly played better. I really understand now why the thumb has to be bent....It really makes a difference when you pull the bow away from the body!! THis has been the best playing advise I have had so far! My teacher...tried to explain it....YOU DID explain it!!!!! Thanks you so much. I had become very discouraged and have almost quit playing a few times! thanks!!
bongalis1 6 months ago
@bongalis1 Sometimes the smallest thing can shed light on a huge problem. I'm glad it helped you! But, you also helped yourself! Keep up the good work! --L
RedDesertViolin 5 months ago
Brilliant!!!!! Thanks so much for adressing this issues :)
shapeurmind 6 months ago
Thank you very much! I tried to do other techniques, but they were either too clumsy or uncomfortable. Your video is the best!
thelaughingguitar 6 months ago
thank you so much! i understand it all so much better now :D
yervor 6 months ago
Thank you for going into such fine technical detail on these subjects. I thoroughly enjoy your videos!
brandautumn 7 months ago
Well done
Danofnj 7 months ago
Thanks!
RedDesertViolin 7 months ago
You are the best Teacher to show all the geometry / techniques involved.
Thank you.
Judexy22 7 months ago
Ok now I know how to hold the bow!.. Now I need to learn everything else.
alobosk 8 months ago
This video is what I've been looking for! Thank you for making this video!
paulignacius 10 months ago
@paulignacius I'm really glad you found it helpful!
RedDesertViolin 10 months ago
Absolutely phenomenal, great instruction!
dmeekATL 10 months ago
excellent advice as per usual.
i just love the attention to detail and camera angles that you offer.
thanx
omfgjb 10 months ago
That looks so comfortable, that I shall begin to hold my dinner fork in like manner - it should make eating soup with my fork easier - Thanks!
jehovahuponyou 1 year ago
Great video!Thank you!
davedalbo 1 year ago
Thanks so much, finally a detailed video which shows from all hidden angles how to hold the bow, I never could figure out exactly how the thumb would sit on the frog before this video!
eCicerone 1 year ago
@eCicerone THANK YOU for the very nice feedback! There will be more coming, I promise! I'm busy getting my blog up and running...come visit sometime at RedDesertViolin!
RedDesertViolin 1 year ago
Hmmm, interesting. Like training wheels for the bow! I've heard of them, but never used them before.
RedDesertViolin 1 year ago
Wonderful!
In my studio, students learn this same bow hold quickly and easily using the Bow Hold Buddies[tm] instant bow hold accessory.
bowholdbuddies 1 year ago
thks for the great video!
deathviolin247 1 year ago
This is a really helpful video. It's hard to find resources that show exactly where to place each finger. I do get that slipping feeling with the pinky. I naturally curve my fingers but I find my thumb straightening out while trying to move the bow. How long does it usually take before your hands are comfortable holding a bow?
inscribedswara 1 year ago
@inscribedswara Another idea to help you until you get comfortable holding the bow is to place a nice sticky rubber band on the stick where your pinky goes....just double and qualdruple it until it's on there good and tight. Your pinky will seek out the rubber, and it helps. But for you, the biggest help for your pinky will be to cut your nail short, and find the INNER OCTAGONAL PLANE.
RedDesertViolin 1 year ago
@inscribedswara To answer your question about how long it should take: If you already have bad habits, it will take longer. My beginners are comfortable within a couple months, if they practice it daily. That doesn't mean they don't need to work anymore....but they hold their stick naturally and they don't fight it. If you have a bad habits, I'd give yourself a month for the bad habit, and 2 months for the new techniques to set in.....if you work on it consistently, with no week-long gaps!
RedDesertViolin 1 year ago