Christ in Islam and Mahdi are the antichrist exposed .wmv

[ayamen1]

Waleed shobat wants to confuse Christian and makes Muslims the enemy by making Mahdi and Jesus son of Mary the Antichrist and Dajjal / the real Antichrist is his God Jesus . All this propoganda to make Muslims the enemy and gain money from poor Christian .

[ayamen1]

To clear the picture

At the end of time , there will a Muslim khalifa called Mahdi will unite Muslims and rule with Islam .at that time God will send the Dajjal / Antichrist to misquided people .

Then Allah almighty will send Jesus son of Mary with the truth and he will join Mahdi Muslim leader and will kill the Antichrist . Mahdi is not the 12th imam like Shia claim but will be from prophet muhamed family and has the same name as our prophet .

[kdasfh]

Okay so this is confusing so what r u lot saying dat jesus is the anti christ, i swear in islam that jesus (isa) will kum down and destroy the anti christ

[ALLAHAUAKBHAR]

@kdasfh Yes my friend, that is the Islamic beleif. Jesus (pbuh) will be sent down from the heavens and will destroy the (AntiChrist/Devil/Shaytaan/Mah­di), whatever people want to call him. Peace be with you.

[Modelmaterial7]

False and wrong. And I'm a Christian.

[aziz2085]

totally inacurate totally false, this man is so much up to please israel that he fails to recognise the fundamentalism of christianity is, u dont accept jesus as saviour your doomed to hell, and jews totally agree he was anything but a demon possesed phoney. walid shoebat is a fraud.

[lorigonzo1]

Walid Shoebat has it "spot on".

[ayamen1]

@ngrant33 Is your God blind in one eye ?

Please answer this question ?

[cypriotenglish]

Good work friend its sad to see many people already have befallen under the lie of the Dajjal and are doing he's work for him with their lies that is designed to make believers in God fight to make Dajjals job easier!

Peace

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish ?? your dijjal is the two witnesses of revelation !

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish ?? your dijjal is the two witnesses of revelation ! The quran is the direct opposite of the BIBLE ! the EXACT opposite ! what does that say to you ! 1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 My friend, if the Quran is the opposite of the Bible, can you please show me direct quotes and please in context of both Holy books rather than just saying it.

Second of all know that no Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus Christ peace be upon him. First of all lets identify the word "Christ" - it means "the anointed one" or from the Hebrew origin for "messiah" and so please show me where Islam says Jesus pbuh is not the awaited Messiah?

Islam has got more mentions of

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish Look you can believe in Jesus Christ ! you can even say he did all those miracles ! but deny his deity and you have the spirit of the antichrist ! Listen the Bible is Gods word and he knows what is to come ! my brother this mahdi and isa figure in the quran is our antichrist ! The bible warned us about this before even mohammed was born !

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 My friend i know that you probably mean well and are only trying to bring a non believer to the truth in your eyes and i respect that - so instead of arguing with you - or trying to prove my point using the Bible which i know well enough after reading a few times before becoming Muslim - can i please ask you what you know about Imam Mahdi? why is he the antichrist in your view? we will see if what you know is in tune with Islam. By the way have you ever read the Quran fully? Peace

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 Jesus pbuh more than Muhammed pbuh for instance. We have a whole Surah in the Quran for Mary pbuh whereas Christians whom believe she is the Mother of Jesus pbuh have none.

Furthermore this Quote from Quran is a good one to understand accurately about what we believe about Jesus pbuh:

"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: '

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish Revelation 19:20 (NIV) But the beast ( mahdi ) was captured, and with him the false prophet ( isa ) who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast ( Jassasa ) and worshiped his image ( blckstone ) . The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. !!!!

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them." 5:116-117

So i now ask you besides the rejection of Jesus pbuh being God where do we reject?

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish I told you ! Isa in the quran is not Jesus of The Bible !!! when the real Jesus comes he will fight

the islamic nations against Israel ! Joel 3:2 I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land. !!!!

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 There is only one group of people in Abrahamic religions that reject him my friend and that is the people of the Jewish faith not Islam.

As for Jesus pbuh being the son of God - of course we do not believe this, there is no where in the Bible where Jesus pbuh ever claimed that he is God nor did he command people to worship him.

The only thing Christians claim for this is where he says "i and the father are one" but i ask you does he not also say i and my apostles are one in..

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish I have warned you brother ! you put your faith in the greatest deceiver ! ( satan ) He is the father of all lies ! he wants to be like God ! which is why he orders you to worship a black stone ! according to the Bible only Jesus takes away sin ! He orders you to shed your own blood, and ignore the Blood of Jesus that saves all ! My friend ! If you don't read the Bible you will never ever ever find the truth !

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 another quote? so now does this mean that they are part of Jesus pbuh now? or can they claim divinity because of this claim? the answer is no.

in Genesis 6:2-4 it says "the sons of God" so now i ask you my friend can you clearly see the "s" at the end on the word "Son"? that would imply that God has more sons if we were to believe your methodology, but we see that as a reference to all creation in a way being a child if you will of God rather than begotten son etc thats blasphemy

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish sus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14).

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 There are several quotes that i can use to prove my point and like i said you will not be able to show me a place in Bible where Jesus pbuh says i am God thus your failure to prove it for sure to anyone. Besides this disagreement between our faiths friend, know that Islam honours and teaches us to love Jesus pbuh not to reject him - we just reject he's divinity claim you make.

And again like i said, it is the Jews that reject him entirely not us. in fact i would go as far as to

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 say that Jesus pbuh told he's followers at that time that another prophet will come after him as in John 16:12 he says "i have many things to say unto ye, but you cannot bear them now, but the spirit of truth will come and he will not recite of he's own authority but will recite unto ye what is recited to him, he will glorify me" And as we know Muhammed pbuh was known as the truthful one, he had Quran recited to him by Gabriel and he recited unto people, and he glorified Jesus pbuh

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish Jesus said: ‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven’” (Matthew 26:64). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy (Matthew 26:65-66)

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish

The Son differs to the Father nature as being Greater than the Son. When Jesus was fully man (and fully God), He was "positionally" inferior to the Father. The Son is also the Logos, and the Word of God, who made everything seen & unseen by His Word.

The Father differs to the Son nature for our Salvation (our only mediator).

The Holy Spirit permeates all to bring us knowledge of God.

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 My friend, first of all know that when you claim me to be a liar, you in fact do not know what you say as i merely quotes scripture and used logic, that makes it not a lie but rather an argument thus accusations do not apply.

In regards to the Logos, your explanation to me seems flawed and yet it is the very same argument in common use by Christian brothers and sister when such questions are brought up by either Muslims or atheists, and it seems a very inadequate answer sorry!

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 First i must say i respect your belief as all beliefs and i kindly ask the same in return please about mine. To elaborate now, the origin in History for the word and the theory of the Logos (i.e the trinity) originates not from Christianity but is actually borrowed from Plato's theory of the Logos, this means that this notion predates Christianity as we know it as im sure as a Greek person i assume, you would know whom Plato, one of the greatest philosophers to be?

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 By the theory of the Logos being older than that of Christianity as we know it today, i can logically deduce that this concept was later introduced to Christianity from aforementioned. Further proof of this can easily be seen when Christianity's early days are put under scrutiny. The concept of the trinity or Logos, was argued and adopted at the councils of the Byzantine empire and thus giving us the evident Greek heritage which would be needed for such a claim as i have made.

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 If you are still unsure as to my claim, then may i refer you also to Greek archives dating back to these councils and how many members of these councils did not agree that Jesus pbuh was the son of God but rather was a Messenger sent from God but they were the minority and overruled by the others, hence the concept of today. Logically one cannot dismiss the facts.

As for your description of the trinity, may i say that your description is one given most frequently and is lacking.

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 Christians i know always tell me that the trinity is a concept that entails that Jesus pbuh is God but is also the son of God and that he is also the Holy ghost/spirit. The problem with this argument is this for me: if God can split himself if you like into 3 beings in one (which as God is all powerful we will accept it can happen) why then are there 3 different types of identities like Son, Father and Ghost/spirit? does there coexist to this theory a hidden hierarchy?

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 If so, then i ask you how can this be one God for is not God one and only? a contradiction and if you say no then the use of these different titles are inaccurate no?

Furthermore you said positionally that Jesus pbuh was inferior to the father, then instead of mankind praying to statues of Jesus pbuh, why not go one more higher straight to the father instead? and if you say as Jesus pbuh is God then again logically i would say you can't have an inferior and superior God that is 1.

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 As for the different roles of god you described, well i kindly ask you, does not the Bible say that God is all powerful? why does he need 3 ID's to be able to do all you said? and as for salvation of man, well did God actually have to become man, die for salvation, couldnt he just forgive us with he's endless mercy? it doesnt make sense.

Further i remind you that in endless passages of the Bible there are references that God allegedly bears more sons, pre dating Jesus pbuh

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 What role do Chistians ascribe them? the answer is many Christians say that it does not mean it literally. ok then what makes you say this is certain about Jesus pbuh then, no where in Bible does Jesus pbuh ever say i am the Son of God nor does he say i am God!

As for the son of man quote, son of man? are we not all Sons and daughters of man? as for Gabrial, yes the holy spirit, where is the problem? she was impregnated by it, whats your point? it dont mean he is God, read on!

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 Friend, Faith is what drives you and many of us in the world, but when people claim things should they not do so with 100% fact?

The council of Nicea has been known to change certain parts of the bible. How can one say this is truth when that truth has been tampered with? if i gave you a ketchup bottle that i opened can you tell me that Ketchup is pure and free from contamination? NO! same applies here!

Christianity has many flaws in form of contradictions that man has made in it

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 dont be in haste then to think at least that God may have sent he's truth again on mankind in form of another Book. When the Jewish brothers denied and killed Jesus pbuh for bearing the message of God they were unwilling to even hear what he had to say with an open mind right? then why do many today repeat their same mistakes about Islam or even other faiths?

The truth is like light, you can distinguish it from dark, all one needs to do is look with open eyes!

Peace be onto all!

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 So do the maths friend please, look at the truth not what some Christians say about us and or everything - the Gnostic gospels and various other ancient sources raise the question whether the Jesus pbuh that mainstream Christianity teaches was whom he was and many gospels were destroyed by earlier Christians in council of Nicea and we know that Constantine and Justinian both made changes at the Bible so i ask you although the Quran was never changed but Bible was how can u be sure?

[ledgendgoku1]

@cypriotenglish John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, "...Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood." Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

[warrioroneultimate7]

@ledgendgoku1

Very well put ledgendgoku !!

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[gangstafassi]

@ledgendgoku1 read the same passage in some other version of bible and they will not b the same so i think u r wrong

[mummafier]

@ledgendgoku1 wait so u believe in jesus and your set for heaven? so when you are committing sins just remember that jesus is god and the true savior ..... dang son i guess god really needs people to believe in him instead of people to beg for mercy for all the sins they do. totally logical!

[cypriotenglish]

@ledgendgoku1 Anyway friend - im sorry if you took offence at my comments i was not attacking your faith but defending my faith and my viewpoint that you so kindly tried to compare to that of the antichrist - if you still believe this view without proof then all i can say is on Judgement day all will be clear.

I wish peace be upon you friend and i pray for you as i do to all humanity to follow truth for themselves like i have done not just accept what is told them.

Peace

[Welle92]

may God reward you!