A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt
abuse them, which would include their own government. George Washington
Gun control really works... Gun control means hitting your target. So when the burglar comes in you can hit him right between the eyes... That's my gun control.
Do any of you every worry or think about what you would do if you lot your home, job, money? Would you become a homeless man ( most of which are honest good people) or a Criminal most of which have homes! And you would be then a problem! It Could happen! With all this crazy recetion!
The real criminals you should be really worryed about don't carry guns they Work in banks and they steal millions and billions and like Everyones in det now!
Maybe you should spend more money on Police and securty camras. Around as a phyical presants puts more criminals off! Also if they know they going to be caught! It helps! I think this idea that carrying a Gun to protect you is a false old cowboy idea. Maybe the cops what you to! so there can eat doughnuts more or cut spending on they services!
@gomikeygomikey You think the idea is false? Reality says otherwise. It would be great if the US was like the old west, didn't have many homicides at all...Lots of bear maulings, but not homicides. Disarming the people though? Great idea, so great people like Mao,Hitler,Pol Pot, and stalin got behind it 100%
This is a fairly old video but it"s true. The police can't help you, only write the report about how you were killed. Here in NJ if you happen to use a firearm on a burglar the first thing they do is take your gun (legal or not) and search your house and take any other firearm you might have. Then good luck getting them back.
It also take a second to mistakenly kill some one! Like your kids and be sent to jail for life! We are all human ! HUMANS are Stuid and make mistakes, humans also get emotional and depressed again sad on they own deadly when mixed with a gun!
@gomikeygomikey You're assuming everybody who legally owns a gun is mindless and stupid. Mistakes do happen, but for those who have a license to legally carry a gun have gone through enough training to understand when and when not to shoot. Just because somebody is coming at you with his fists does not justify you to shoot them, even if you legally carry a gun, unless THEY have a WEAPON (knife, gun, vehicle) THEN it is justified and legal.
@ThirdGenerationDGAF No i'm Not assuming you Stupid, in my world you cant aford to! As assuim and pride get's/ leads too people hurt, in trouble or killed. so i certanly try not to! also in you Trianing are you tested under stress and moving targets? cops have a hard time with this, So what happens when or if you miss? Or still they might be like Army trained or better at hand to hand than you and get your gun? lots out there in gangs with the war over and cuts in spending!
@gomikeygomikey And if you say "People kill People", that contradicts your argument about controlling guns, because that is a point that anti Gun Control advocates stress time and time again. A gun will never kill somebody without being activated. Gun Control limits the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN'S RIGHT to bear arms, which is in our Constitution's 2nd amendment.
@NinjaRider777R yes Cars Do kill People No wait! Peolpe Kill People! i kinda know what you mean i've been hit about 4 times on my bike! You get almost used to it! Restirct the areas they go and Car free zones, anyway most people need and use one every day its a tool! well not all. some guns are tools for hunting etc, But most/all hand guns are used for is killing peolpe. and if you want to kill someone,/Or preparded to, maybe you shouldn't have one!
@gomikeygomikey Then if we; the law abiding citizens don't own any guns, the criminals will still obtain them illegally and still kill and rob and shoot us, what are we supposed to do? Call 911? The police won't be there in time, and you know that's almost always true. When we have guns legally, we are able to defend ourselves and shoot the bad guy who's shooting at us. Are you saying shooting people is justified but shooting animals with rifles is okay? That is contradictory.
I really don't think most cops want people untrained running around with hand guns hiden every were! How do they know Who to shot for a start everyone has a gun! Who's the bad guy? One word against another! Will you shot him? How do they know your not the bad guy?
@gomikeygomikey if all law biding ccitizens carried guns there would be almost no crimes because the victem can fight back. also police dont just go around shooting people, they can only shoot if there shot at so if they wanna know who to shoot, they just need to see whos shooting at them. i can tell ur a liberal because you basicly ignored all these common sense facts
How dose the criminal know you have a gun?To put them off robbing you! Might they not rob you for the gun? As most folks probley don't want to kill anyone they most likely won't shot! The mugger take your handbag let's say the they have your Gun, money everything! You worry to much!
@jackiechan511 people with hidden mental illnesses usually have committed crimes before which make it impossibly to buy a gun due to there record, also they can get a gun on the black market reguardless of gun control. the best thing to do is arm the innocnt to give them a fighting chance because criminals will always be able to get guns no matter what laws are placed. the best thing we can do is even the odds
I fully suppport the second ammendment, but I want to play devil's advocate for a second here. First of all, I have met very few liberals who argue that gun control reduces crime. Most argue that it reduces instances of underage lethal gun use, intentional or accidental. Second, DC is a bad example since it is a city. Larger states that have sufficient distance between the borders and certain populations are more accurate measures. Even then though, gun control laws have never actually helped.
Mexican Cartels agree that gun control works in order to commit crimes. Vote for more gun control if you want to be robbed, kidnapped, murdered, or watch your family get murdered without any means to fight back.
Typo two ways. Rob A BANK HANG ASSAULT SOMEONE HANG IT KEPT PEACE BUT PEOPLE STEAL HAD GUN TILL THEY STARTED NO GUNS IN CITY LIMITS WHICH DIDN'T WORK CRIME CAN BE SLOWED BUT WILL NEVER DIE, AND CITIZENS ALWAYS SUFFER FOR CRIMINALS ACTIONS POLICE AIN'T EVERYWHERE AND DON'T SEE EVERYTHING SOMETIMES RIGHT IN THE FACE AND STILL BLIND CCW OCW FOR MARYLAND SAVE A LIFE MAYBE YOURS!
Tell that to the state of Maryland where citizens are slaves "NO GUNS FOR NEGROS" CRIME IS EVERYWHERE CRIMINALS IGNORE LAWS LIKE BORING COMMERCIALS NOT A SECOND THOUGHT TO WAYS TOO SLOW CRIME GIVE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS THEY GUN RIGHTS, THAT WILL PUT FEAR IN THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT AND HELP POLICE TEND TO OTHER IMPORTANT BUSINESS SLOW ALL FORMS OF ASSAULTS AND ROBBERIES OR BRING THAT WILD WEST JUDICIAL SYSTEM HANG THE HIGH AND FAST, STEAL A CAR IS LIKE STEALING A HORSE YOU'LL HANG, ROB A BANK YOU'LL
This weirdo was so extremist-conservative. I'm glad he's off television. He made me want to give my 14 cats guns and turn them loose on the sidewalk because gun control doesn't reduce crime.
@EviceTurboMan Go back and find the fights from the first 2 UFC events, you'll find a 600 pound Sumo wrestler get his ass whipped by smaller, skinner, faster people. The same Sumo in a Pride match actually tapped out fighting 125 pound Japanese fighter....
600+ pounds versus 125 pounds, and the little dude won by tapout.
@EviceTurboMan Size doesn't matter, it never has, it never will. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
All that muscle mass comes with costs, speed and flexibility are sacrificed for more muscle mass, and more mass does NOT guarantee more strength.
Some of the biggest bodybuilders in the world can't curl over 100 pounds per arm to save their lives. Ronnie Coleman was one of the few who had the strength to back up his mass.
I feel that anyone who has a "gun control campaign" should be arrested under Treason. Anyone who is against my constitutional rights and anyone who tries to infringe on my freedoms is an enemy. Especially if its an American politician, they are commiting treason by trying to ban firearms. DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
@CptSpauIding The police only arrive in time to drawn a line around my dead body and attempt to put my kids into a foster home. The police will not get to me in time before I am shot dead. It takes 5 seconds to kill somebody with a gun, and it takes police 50 seconds to get a call about a shooting, but it takes 2 seconds for me to pull out my gun and LEGALLY DEFEND myself and my kids.
Look at gun shows and gun free zones as a microcosm of how gun control works or not. I may be wrong but I've never heard of gun violence at a gun show. There are guns everywhere along with ammo and people who know how to use them. Yet, I here all the time about gun violence happening in gun free zones. Again, a microcosm. Now multiply it out to an entire nation like unto a gun show or gun free zone. Which would you rather have?
The crime will reduce if everybody has a gun, but more arrests and convictions will occur because the cops and the judges are will put you in prison even if you had to kill someone in self-defense. I live in Washington State and they are fucking communists up here.
@EviceTurboMan One example doesn't change the fact that here in the States, higher gun control = higher firearm homicides. People need the means to defend themselves
@EviceTurboMan Wrestling is FAKE you dumb fucking moron.....
Plus, guys BIGGER than Cena have been choked out.
Cut off blood flow to the brain by constricting the jugular and carotid arteries in the neck and the person is out cold in 20 seconds or less. This can be done by the typical "sleeper hold" or it can even be done with minimal pressure by 2 fingertips.
If those arteries are cut instead of pinched, the person is DEAD in less than 30 seconds from a quarter inch deep cut.
@EviceTurboMan You could use your thumb and first finger to knock someone out, just put pressure on the jugular and carotid arteries for 10 to 15 seconds, and they're out cold.
Put the lightest featherweight MMA fighter in a ring against the biggest WWE wrestlers, and my money is on the featherweight every single time.
Wrestlers are dancers, they know FAKE wresting choreography and that's it.
@PfhUkJiu101 Well, 48% of all violent crime in the US can be directly traced to gangs (leaving out what can't be traced)...you know...gang members who aren't allowed to legally own a gun, but don't follow the law? For example, in LA, well over 50% of homicides are gang related -- in a state with some of the strictest and most unintelligently written gun laws in the country. In Bakersfield, CA, they cause over 85% of all homicides. That's why the murder rate is so damn high.
It worries me more that America lets moronic left-wing anti-gun idiots on YouTube, opposed to the UK where they are properly and efficiently mentally hospitalized.
Just another baseless comment fed on emotion rather than rational fact.
@zaragala15312 Typical uneducated little brat that always wants to make everything into a political debate....
Vermont proves your theory wrong, loosest gun laws in the entire country, and they've maintained SINGLE DIGIT firearm homicide numbers all the way back to the 1950's. You don't even need a permit to carry concealed in Vermont.
Conversely California has the strictest gun laws in the country with the HIGHEST firearm homicide numbers.
i have soem advice. Librals are destroying this nations christian values by un correcting and subverting our children essentially... basically this is what im sayhing socialists are taking us away from what the founding fathers and Ronald Reagan wanted which was for what us to be ruled by the BIBLE.... basically it is this any forem of gun controls is un nationinistic and patriotic... it is unrealistic to assmuse that AMERICANS wil lgive anything like guns up in the name of socialism
gun control is not to reduce crime that is a myth its to stop psychopaths going on shootings which it does stop it may not stop terrorists and criminals from getting them but it does stop lunatics from getting them.
@zeonzaku2s In my country it's difficult to get guns, already. That said criminals like our last shooter used an unlegal gun. No law about legal guns can prevent that!
Limiting and restricting the sale of guns to those who would buy them LEGALLY would be news of orgasmic proportions to those who DON'T. The idiots who support this misguided philanthotropic crusade don't have a clue just how easily guns can be obtained. Can't buy a certain gun? Buy them off the black market. But don't tell that to the "geniuses" in Washington who know what's better for us than we do.
GUYS! Terrorists and lunatics WILL FIND A WAY to get guns! They're not gonna listen to some gun control B.S... If they have guns then they know that it's easier to massacre all the people who DONT, because they CANT DEFEND THEMSELVES. If you were a criminal would you attack somone that had a gun, or somone that DIDNT?
It matter not if guns are illegal. A criminal will always obtain a weapon no matter what. Gun laws only screw over the people because they can no longer arm and protect themselves from thugs. That means they’re vulnerable and helpless against those criminals.
Probably fair enough for domestic protection (the argument anyway if not in practice.) Problem is that if you accept the statistics on offer you are forced to conclude Americans are just, by nature, more homicidal. That or do a serious sociological study to figure out why the USA has so many more gun deaths.
Criminal says "I'm going to own a gun anyway" Harder to rob someone you dont know... Truer words never spoken, Gun control increases crime. Live with that fact.
i see people saying if i was being robbed id just shoot them. well easier said then done brother and it dont end after you pull the trigger once. my home was broken into 2 years ago this month by a man all strung out and it took 4 .40 cal hollow points in the chest and 1 in the skull to stop him now you tell me you can do that. its hard i still see his eyes in my mind from time to time pulling the trigger is the easy part living a normal life after you took some one elses not so much
But really tbere is just something wrong with society in the US i think, i mean i would kill someone for certain reasons, but it would have to be one of a very few reasons. Say someone molested my son, i may kill for that, or if i felt threatened for my life i would kill first. But in the US it seems mainly the youth are using their weapons without thinking first of the consequences. Or maybe they truely think people in the neighborhood will all just respect the dont snitch policy they have....
@afghi420 or maybe its all the people who complain about society because the media only reports cases were youth and firearms where involved, and not the BORING cases where law abiding citizens prevented a crime or murder from happening by carrying a firearm and defending themselves
would ever have for a handgun would be to transport somewhere to kill or threaten someone`s life. I use shotguns for birds, rifles for deer and moose, and handgun for killing someone if i really felt i had too, and in my neareast city of about 100,000 we are lucky to have 1 or 2 homicides a year. So the number of guns i don`t believe has anything to do with the homicide rate, ALTHOUGH, perhaps if anyone here could go by a handgun on the corner for $25-50 there would be alot more killings here.
colt 32. I bought all my guns through a local buyer flyer. A few of my guns including the assault rifle were sold to me by a vice president of a local gun club a few towns over. None of my guns were registered in any fashion, i could take my assault rifle hunting varmint as long as i didnt have the big clip in, get pulled over by a ranger and as long as i had my hunting license things were fine. That is how Canada works. Mind you handguns are alot more restricted, but honestly the ONLY use i
Im not too sure how i feel on the gun control, i don't really believe that having a gun makes you use it, i believe the American society is severely messed up for there to be that many murder's annually, especially in some of the major cities. I live in Canada, and despite what alot of American`s believe about this Country, we DO have guns. I don`t know, but a few years back i owned a 223-mini 14 assault rifle with 20+ round clip, had a remington magnum 12 guage, a 30-06, a 22 rifle, and a
I think commie liberals should be sent to there own private island where they can have all the illegal immigrants they want, all the gun control they want, and then let them overun themselves. Meanwhile, let us REAL AMERICANS live by the constitutional laws that were designed to let us live good lives!
@NinjaRider777R LMFAO. So this is actually about you being a white supremacist with a few back copies of National Enquirer and Stormfront. I been trolld hard Adolf
@NinjaRider777R "Explain the 300,000+ guns" same numbers as before, because gun controls make no difference. "explain the 2034" crimes" because its another number you've pulled out of you arse. So far you haven't been able to cite any reference in a way that allows us to check. You are simply making stuff up
@billburns2 I linked directly to the numbers you fucking moron, it wouldn't matter what links I post because you'd just complain about all of them if they were contrary to your numbers pulled from sites that heavily sensor the truth, or just blatantly make shit up as they go along.
More than one gun info site only states the UK as England by itself, they never bother to include the other 3 countries, one site even lists a country that doesn't exist at all.....
@NinjaRider777R That's because some people confuse England, Britain, and the UK. Mainly because England has 82% of the population of the UK, while Britain has 97.3%.
What was the non-existent country? Eire? Cornwall? Gibraltar? Falklands?
@billburns2 """because gun controls make no difference"""
There were FEWER illegal guns on UK streets before the bans.
Their crime numbers were LOWER before the bans.
They actually ARRESTED terrorists before their entire police force and government turned 180 degrees backwards, now they just let terrorists walk the streets openly plotting the downfall of the UK in public ON CAMERA.....
@billburns2 I'm not talking about the IRA at all, I'm talking about radical Muslims who openly plot the downfall of the Queen & Parliament in public ON CAMERA and they've still not been arrested. They want to turn Buckingham Palace into a Mosque.
What they're doing falls under High Treason by UK laws, but they haven't been touched. They've set up No Go Zones for non-Muslims, they've used the UK cops to kick out anyone who isn't a Muslim even if they were living there first.
I wonder how old this video is or if there was a slight glitch in reporting because according to the bit starting at 1:53, Arkansas doesn't allow legal carry.
We do allow, just not Open Carry, although we had legislative pushes for it that failed.
Proud to say we have only a 4/100 points approval from the Brady Campaign. Still that's room for improvement to reach the prime of 0 points.
@MachShot1337 Even Vermont doesn't have a zero point Brady score and they've got the loosest laws in the country. They don't even require a permit to carry concealed.
gun control does not reduce crime, neither does the ability for anyone to buy a gun. The only thing guns provide is a way for any lunatic to break into a fucking school and shoot everyone.
@billburns2 All told, in 2010 the UK had 404 gun deaths, 145 of which were homicides.
Those numbers break down as follows:
(FH=Firearms Homicides, GD=Gun Deaths, both per capita [100K])
N.Ireland: 1.8mil; FH: 5.24, GD: 6.82
Scotland: 5.2mil; FH: 0.19, GD: 0.58
Wales: 3.02mil; FH: 0.15, GD: 0.38
England: 52.2mil; FH: 0.07, GD: 0.46
The "41" has been floating around for 10 years and is a LIE. The numbers are from the British Home Office and New Scotland Yard. YOUR GOVERNMENT says so.
@billburns2 That is the exact same number that has been floating around for over a decade now. Wherever you're getting it from is an absolute shame and you know it.
Numbers that come straight from your own government - the numbers that *I* have cited AND sourced - aren't mistaken and they aren't lies.
You dismissing the whole caseload of ALL the United Kingdom and calling your police officers LIARS is a sad sight to see. Being a stooge for DISHONEST media won't ever make you right.
That's because the number for 2010 is the same as for 1999 genius. UK gun murders have totalled around 50 per year for the past 15 years. Go ahead and look it up, but use the primary sources instead of some regurgitated crap that you've found on the internet - and yes, I dismiss anything that isn't from those sources and label the people who make up crap to support their ideology LIARS
If you want to use facts, then they have to be accurate - that's sort of a rule.
@billburns2 The difference between us is that the facts I've cited are accurate, absolutely and irrefutably. The numbers *I've* cited, as I said before, come directly from the British government and are compiled from all FOUR corners of the United Kingdom - leaving out important databases, as you HAVE done, makes information inaccurate. It makes YOU a liar
Just because you don't believe it, despite being shown insurmountable evidence from YOUR own people, doesn't mean it isn't true.
@NinjaRider777R unfortunately for you the only sources that count are the ones that actually collated the raw data. Citing a newspaper headline doesn't "prove" anything. If it did, then I could prove that Elvis is still alive. I was waiting for the Propaganda claim - always the last resort of a denialist
@billburns2 It was about guns being banned and it NOT WORKING.
And realize something, UK politicians lie worse than American ones.
The numbers coming in from their version of the Uniform Crime Report versus the numbers posted by their politicians DON'T MATCH.
When they've got Terrorists running around free on the streets ON CAMERA and they still won't arrest them, and they've got teens running around with 30+ criminal convictions on their record, it's NOT a "calm" society at all....
I agree that gun bans don't work - they make no difference. The claim that they make things worse is yours, and that's what you can't prove other than by citing a fucking youtube video.
The numbers come from police forces and independent statistical bodies, not politicians, so whether or not the politicians lie is irrelevant.
@billburns2 """cite ANY long term statistical evidence that proves this"""
30 years in Washington DC and Chicago, once DC's handgun ban was lifted, their crime rates went DOWN.
Florida's crime rates have also gone down since they enacted their CCW program back in the late 80's.
There was one Florida gang busted for preying on tourists, they admitted when they got busted it was because they knew the tourists wouldn't be ARMED.....
Vermont, maintains single-digit gun deaths for DECADES
@billburns2 Ask the 442 dead people if they like the 17:100K total....
And the Chicago gun ban was struck down in 2008, right along with DC's ban, but idiot politicians in Chicago introduced ridiculous licensing ideas, and even one idea to track LEGAL gun buyers from space 24/7 but nothing about tracking criminals.....
@billburns2 Cohen & Felsen proved that Criminals go after the EASIEST targets first, which means the UNARMED targets get hit first.
If everybody is unarmed that means EVERYBODY IS A TARGET
Crime rates going UP in the UK is more proof, nobody is armed, they can't defend themselves so the criminals have free reign because they know all they'll get is a slap on the wrist. They've got TEENS running around free on the streets with 30+ convictions & those who defend themselves get 10 YEARS
What's especially funny is that the video has a clip from Frank Cook MP, who is a leading anti gun campaigner that tabled even MORE gun control following Dunblane. He is one of the reasons that the UK now has a handgun ban.
It's like the GCN using a clip of Charlton Heston saying "cold dead hands" - pitiful.
@crazypants88 I agree that gun bans don't banish guns. They have very little effect either way. Switzerland is held up as some sort of crime free utopia by the pro gun crowd, whereas in reality it has broadly similar murder and violent crime rates to other European countries. An awful lot of bullshit gets spouted on this topic. Bottom line is that gun laws make very little difference
@billburns2 No actually it's pretty low when compared to the rest of Europe, it doesn't have the lowest crime rates in Europe but it's lower than many of it's neighbours.
I disagree that they have very little effect either way, they have the effect of leaving the citizenry at uneven ground with criminals. Criminals will and do get guns despite gun restrictions, look at Mexico, Thailand or Brazil.
But you agree that it doesn't have the lowest murder rate despite having some of the most permissive gun laws in the world?
So pretty easy to see that gun laws pe-se make no difference, right?
"they have the effect of leaving the citizenry at uneven ground with criminals"
Which apparently has no significant impact on violent crime and murder - unless you now choosing to ditch the statistics in favour of an emotive argument with no actual proof behind it???
"Every city and state with the most restrictive gun laws has the HIGHEST crime numbers"
Absolute rubbish. Check out the murder and violent crime stats for stats for Alaska, Nevada and Louisiana. Unrestricted or "shall issue" states with high percentage of gun ownership AND fucking high murder and violent crime rates. Seriously, look this stuff up, it's all in the public domain
OMG - you really don't know what PER CAPITA means, do you???!!!
Your data tables are disproving your own claims
Look at Illinois - the ONLY rights denied state in the US has less than half the number of murders PER CAPITA than Arizona with its unrestricted policy on guns.
If more guns = less crime, then the USA should be virtually crime free. After all, you have nearly twice the guns PER CAPITA (that ol' phrase agin) as Switzerland.
@billburns2 Typical strawman argument. Just because the US has lots of guns (relatively) doesn't mean it has to be "crime free" if the more guns = less crime argument is true. The point you are missing is that increasing lawful gun ownership will be associated with reduction in violent crime. There is a plethora of data to support this claim. I challenge you to look it up.
Why is it strawman? The claim is that more guns = less crime - therefore the countries and areas with the most guns must all be low crime, right? So why aren't they?
Yours is a perfect example of the correlation/causation fallacy - except there isn't even sufficient correlation here.
Simply cherrypicking data that fits your theory doesn't mean anything. You need to explain the areas that DON'T fit your theory, and there are lots of them.
@billburns2 That may be true but the violent crime rate in general actually went UP after the UK banned handguns in 1997 (from 1997 to 2001 it more than doubled). You are more likely to be robbed or burglarized in England than in the US. 53% of burglaries in England happen when the residents are at home compared to only 13% in the US where burglars admit to fearing armed residents more than the police. Criminals in the UK simply substituted other weapons, like knives, for their crimes.
@billburns2 No it doesn't, but it still has a lot lower crime than many other European nations, some of them being held as an example of how strict gun laws lead to a safer society, like Sweden and Norway.
"So pretty....difference, right?" That's a very shallow analysis
Gun crime in Washington D.C. and also in the UK have gone up since banning or severely restricting access to guns.
I live in one the countries in Europe that has one of the lowest if not THE lowest crime rates,
Unfortunately trying to compare overall levels of crime between countries is fairly useless. Different countries have different ways of categorizing and measuring crime and things that are legal in some countries are illegal in others. Homicide is the only crime that can be accurately compared between countries.
@billburns2 I agree it's not ideal, but I don't think it's useless at all. You yourself were doing this exact thing and now when it's shown you don't have the foot to stand on that you thought you did, it's all of a sudden invalid to compare crime rates.
"Switzerland is held up as some sort of crime free utopia by the pro gun crowd, whereas in reality it has broadly similar murder and violent crime rates to other European countries."
Wait yeah you did, the first comment you made towards me in this thread.
My comment will probable get flagged for spam because of c/p so I'll notify you of this comment in another comment.
@billburns2 Since you decided to block me and thereby confirming everything I've thought about you, I'm going to take this opportunity to declare victory, thanks for making it so easy.
A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt
abuse them, which would include their own government. George Washington
dragonseptor 4 days ago
We could be like england where only the criminals have guns.
MRKPORKY 1 week ago
Gun control really works... Gun control means hitting your target. So when the burglar comes in you can hit him right between the eyes... That's my gun control.
MRKPORKY 1 week ago
@gomikeygomikey
kguitar765 1 week ago
THE 4:16 MARK IS THE BEST PART OF THIS VIDEO LOL!!!
TheAmmunationStation 1 week ago
Just want to say this read history books prohibition, marijuana is illegal and alot of people smoke it. just saying .
xaploq1 1 week ago
The devil lives in the Houses of Parliament,
Devil worship or rebel DISARMAMENT ,
Is the main agenda for the parliamentary member.
electronicchronic 1 week ago
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If you are unwilling to arm yourself, than you will be at the mercy of those who are armed.
mlhcb 1 week ago
I'm diyslexic but not stupid and offtent write about 2am in the morning
gomikeygomikey 1 week ago
Do any of you every worry or think about what you would do if you lot your home, job, money? Would you become a homeless man ( most of which are honest good people) or a Criminal most of which have homes! And you would be then a problem! It Could happen! With all this crazy recetion!
gomikeygomikey 1 week ago
The real criminals you should be really worryed about don't carry guns they Work in banks and they steal millions and billions and like Everyones in det now!
gomikeygomikey 1 week ago
Maybe you should spend more money on Police and securty camras. Around as a phyical presants puts more criminals off! Also if they know they going to be caught! It helps! I think this idea that carrying a Gun to protect you is a false old cowboy idea. Maybe the cops what you to! so there can eat doughnuts more or cut spending on they services!
gomikeygomikey 1 week ago
@gomikeygomikey Increasing security cameras does NOTHING to stop crime, the UK knows this beyond all doubts.
And seriously, before you post again, go back to School, your grammar and spelling makes you sound like a 5 year old.
NinjaRider777R 1 week ago
@gomikeygomikey You think the idea is false? Reality says otherwise. It would be great if the US was like the old west, didn't have many homicides at all...Lots of bear maulings, but not homicides. Disarming the people though? Great idea, so great people like Mao,Hitler,Pol Pot, and stalin got behind it 100%
Fuunken 1 week ago
This is a fairly old video but it"s true. The police can't help you, only write the report about how you were killed. Here in NJ if you happen to use a firearm on a burglar the first thing they do is take your gun (legal or not) and search your house and take any other firearm you might have. Then good luck getting them back.
satanicmechanic86 1 week ago
Gun confiscation worked really well in Germany in the 1930's, just ask any Jewish survivor of the holocaust or their descendants.
jwm05281971 2 weeks ago
It also take a second to mistakenly kill some one! Like your kids and be sent to jail for life! We are all human ! HUMANS are Stuid and make mistakes, humans also get emotional and depressed again sad on they own deadly when mixed with a gun!
gomikeygomikey 2 weeks ago
@gomikeygomikey You're assuming everybody who legally owns a gun is mindless and stupid. Mistakes do happen, but for those who have a license to legally carry a gun have gone through enough training to understand when and when not to shoot. Just because somebody is coming at you with his fists does not justify you to shoot them, even if you legally carry a gun, unless THEY have a WEAPON (knife, gun, vehicle) THEN it is justified and legal.
ThirdGenerationDGAF 2 weeks ago
@ThirdGenerationDGAF No i'm Not assuming you Stupid, in my world you cant aford to! As assuim and pride get's/ leads too people hurt, in trouble or killed. so i certanly try not to! also in you Trianing are you tested under stress and moving targets? cops have a hard time with this, So what happens when or if you miss? Or still they might be like Army trained or better at hand to hand than you and get your gun? lots out there in gangs with the war over and cuts in spending!
gomikeygomikey 2 weeks ago
@gomikeygomikey And if you say "People kill People", that contradicts your argument about controlling guns, because that is a point that anti Gun Control advocates stress time and time again. A gun will never kill somebody without being activated. Gun Control limits the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN'S RIGHT to bear arms, which is in our Constitution's 2nd amendment.
ThirdGenerationDGAF 2 weeks ago
@gomikeygomikey """It also take a second to mistakenly kill some one"""
That happens with cars every single day, and cars take licensing and registration but that still doesn't stop the killing.
Cars kill up to 10x more people every year than guns, yet nobody wants cars banned.....
NinjaRider777R 2 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R yes Cars Do kill People No wait! Peolpe Kill People! i kinda know what you mean i've been hit about 4 times on my bike! You get almost used to it! Restirct the areas they go and Car free zones, anyway most people need and use one every day its a tool! well not all. some guns are tools for hunting etc, But most/all hand guns are used for is killing peolpe. and if you want to kill someone,/Or preparded to, maybe you shouldn't have one!
gomikeygomikey 2 weeks ago
@gomikeygomikey Then if we; the law abiding citizens don't own any guns, the criminals will still obtain them illegally and still kill and rob and shoot us, what are we supposed to do? Call 911? The police won't be there in time, and you know that's almost always true. When we have guns legally, we are able to defend ourselves and shoot the bad guy who's shooting at us. Are you saying shooting people is justified but shooting animals with rifles is okay? That is contradictory.
ThirdGenerationDGAF 2 weeks ago
@gomikeygomikey Newsflash- police are humans too.
bigravensfan21 1 week ago
I really don't think most cops want people untrained running around with hand guns hiden every were! How do they know Who to shot for a start everyone has a gun! Who's the bad guy? One word against another! Will you shot him? How do they know your not the bad guy?
gomikeygomikey 2 weeks ago
@gomikeygomikey if all law biding ccitizens carried guns there would be almost no crimes because the victem can fight back. also police dont just go around shooting people, they can only shoot if there shot at so if they wanna know who to shoot, they just need to see whos shooting at them. i can tell ur a liberal because you basicly ignored all these common sense facts
M11ty 2 weeks ago
@gomikeygomikey """I really don't think most cops want people untrained running around with hand guns hiden every were!"""
Just stop now, you're embarrassing yourself badly.....
/watch?v=J1IKeyTvakA
The cops CANNOT protect you, people from the UK should know this by now but I guess your brainwashing is just too strong to be broken.
NinjaRider777R 2 weeks ago
How dose the criminal know you have a gun?To put them off robbing you! Might they not rob you for the gun? As most folks probley don't want to kill anyone they most likely won't shot! The mugger take your handbag let's say the they have your Gun, money everything! You worry to much!
gomikeygomikey 2 weeks ago
Guns are way too easy to get in America.
jackiechan511 2 weeks ago
@jackiechan511 lol you have obviously never bought a gun. and i can tell ur a liberal because we both know u said that out of assumption
M11ty 2 weeks ago
@M11ty Your right, I've never bought a gun, but do you want people with hidden mental illnesses and unstable people from holding a gun.
jackiechan511 2 weeks ago
@jackiechan511 people with hidden mental illnesses usually have committed crimes before which make it impossibly to buy a gun due to there record, also they can get a gun on the black market reguardless of gun control. the best thing to do is arm the innocnt to give them a fighting chance because criminals will always be able to get guns no matter what laws are placed. the best thing we can do is even the odds
M11ty 2 weeks ago
@jackiechan511 Cars kill more people than guns every year and mentally ill people have easy access to cars.
NinjaRider777R 2 weeks ago
LOL 1:50 did he just holster a gun with the slide open? XD
AuraStudios 2 weeks ago
I fully suppport the second ammendment, but I want to play devil's advocate for a second here. First of all, I have met very few liberals who argue that gun control reduces crime. Most argue that it reduces instances of underage lethal gun use, intentional or accidental. Second, DC is a bad example since it is a city. Larger states that have sufficient distance between the borders and certain populations are more accurate measures. Even then though, gun control laws have never actually helped.
jcfreak73 2 weeks ago
wide eyes at 4:25
sartoriusrock 2 weeks ago
When seconds matter, police are only minutes away.
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bluegiant888 3 weeks ago
Mexican Cartels agree that gun control works in order to commit crimes. Vote for more gun control if you want to be robbed, kidnapped, murdered, or watch your family get murdered without any means to fight back.
MRcalibrecincuenta 3 weeks ago
Typo two ways. Rob A BANK HANG ASSAULT SOMEONE HANG IT KEPT PEACE BUT PEOPLE STEAL HAD GUN TILL THEY STARTED NO GUNS IN CITY LIMITS WHICH DIDN'T WORK CRIME CAN BE SLOWED BUT WILL NEVER DIE, AND CITIZENS ALWAYS SUFFER FOR CRIMINALS ACTIONS POLICE AIN'T EVERYWHERE AND DON'T SEE EVERYTHING SOMETIMES RIGHT IN THE FACE AND STILL BLIND CCW OCW FOR MARYLAND SAVE A LIFE MAYBE YOURS!
imdashitdarden 3 weeks ago
Tell that to the state of Maryland where citizens are slaves "NO GUNS FOR NEGROS" CRIME IS EVERYWHERE CRIMINALS IGNORE LAWS LIKE BORING COMMERCIALS NOT A SECOND THOUGHT TO WAYS TOO SLOW CRIME GIVE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS THEY GUN RIGHTS, THAT WILL PUT FEAR IN THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT AND HELP POLICE TEND TO OTHER IMPORTANT BUSINESS SLOW ALL FORMS OF ASSAULTS AND ROBBERIES OR BRING THAT WILD WEST JUDICIAL SYSTEM HANG THE HIGH AND FAST, STEAL A CAR IS LIKE STEALING A HORSE YOU'LL HANG, ROB A BANK YOU'LL
imdashitdarden 3 weeks ago
This weirdo was so extremist-conservative. I'm glad he's off television. He made me want to give my 14 cats guns and turn them loose on the sidewalk because gun control doesn't reduce crime.
amitus8 3 weeks ago
@amitus8 You have 14 cats and you're calling someone else a weirdo.....
Riiiiiight.....
NinjaRider777R 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R They have me. Weirdo.
amitus8 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R
Dude, I've 5 cats you fool.
You claim an incredibly underweight man can stand up to a incredibly, muscular and probably overweight man.
You're the one who is weird.
EviceTurboMan 3 weeks ago
@EviceTurboMan
Dude, I've learned self defense and I can easily defend myself from these problems.
Like I said before, it depends on HEIGHT, HOW MUSCULAR YOU ARE and SELF DEFENSE.
If you deny this, you need to research again.
EviceTurboMan 3 weeks ago
@EviceTurboMan Go back and find the fights from the first 2 UFC events, you'll find a 600 pound Sumo wrestler get his ass whipped by smaller, skinner, faster people. The same Sumo in a Pride match actually tapped out fighting 125 pound Japanese fighter....
600+ pounds versus 125 pounds, and the little dude won by tapout.
NinjaRider777R 2 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R
That doesn't necessarily mean every single midget can beat up 6,6 men.
EviceTurboMan 2 weeks ago
@EviceTurboMan Size doesn't matter, it never has, it never will. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
All that muscle mass comes with costs, speed and flexibility are sacrificed for more muscle mass, and more mass does NOT guarantee more strength.
Some of the biggest bodybuilders in the world can't curl over 100 pounds per arm to save their lives. Ronnie Coleman was one of the few who had the strength to back up his mass.
NinjaRider777R 2 weeks ago
@amitus8 He's still working in television.
crazypants88 3 weeks ago
@crazypants88 Pity.
amitus8 3 weeks ago
@amitus8 Speak for yourself, I for one like him.
crazypants88 2 weeks ago
I feel that anyone who has a "gun control campaign" should be arrested under Treason. Anyone who is against my constitutional rights and anyone who tries to infringe on my freedoms is an enemy. Especially if its an American politician, they are commiting treason by trying to ban firearms. DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
LastCaress7 3 weeks ago
Gun Control means the criminals shoot us, and we can't shoot back.
ThirdGenerationDGAF 3 weeks ago 22
@ThirdGenerationDGAF how about calling the fucking police, like in any other country
CptSpauIding 2 weeks ago
@CptSpauIding Cops can't protect you, they only exist to be a cleanup squad.
Hell, most cops with actual brains actually WANT civilians to be armed, it makes their jobs easier.
Disarming civilians only makes crime levels WORSE, not better.
NinjaRider777R 2 weeks ago
@CptSpauIding The police only arrive in time to drawn a line around my dead body and attempt to put my kids into a foster home. The police will not get to me in time before I am shot dead. It takes 5 seconds to kill somebody with a gun, and it takes police 50 seconds to get a call about a shooting, but it takes 2 seconds for me to pull out my gun and LEGALLY DEFEND myself and my kids.
ThirdGenerationDGAF 2 weeks ago
Look at gun shows and gun free zones as a microcosm of how gun control works or not. I may be wrong but I've never heard of gun violence at a gun show. There are guns everywhere along with ammo and people who know how to use them. Yet, I here all the time about gun violence happening in gun free zones. Again, a microcosm. Now multiply it out to an entire nation like unto a gun show or gun free zone. Which would you rather have?
mindeloman 3 weeks ago 8
@mindeloman Gun show, please.
TheBuckpole 2 weeks ago
The crime will reduce if everybody has a gun, but more arrests and convictions will occur because the cops and the judges are will put you in prison even if you had to kill someone in self-defense. I live in Washington State and they are fucking communists up here.
msk1911 3 weeks ago
@msk1911 Move to a state with Castle Doctrine laws where it's legal to shoot burglars and the criminals can't file a lawsuit against the victim.
NinjaRider777R 3 weeks ago
Ninja, you're by far one of the most incoherent human beings I've ever had the chance to speak with.
Explain the UK suicide, the man that killed himself and his family.
They had the opportunity to TAKE his guns away.. and guess what? They didn't.
GUN CONTROL could of saved the lives.
You're bluffing your self with biased, incoherent posts and not even looking to the other side of the argument!
EviceTurboMan 3 weeks ago
@EviceTurboMan One example doesn't change the fact that here in the States, higher gun control = higher firearm homicides. People need the means to defend themselves
Raging0yster 3 weeks ago
Gun gun control certainly reduces the homicide rate, because it's far more difficult to stab, choke or beat somebody to death, than to shoot him.
PfhUkJiu101 3 weeks ago
@PfhUkJiu101 Killing someone by hand is actually easier and faster than shooting them.
A simple neck break takes 2 seconds.
A quarter-inch deep cut in the right place kills in less than 30 seconds.
Areas with massively strict gun control have HIGHER crime rates than those without it.
NinjaRider777R 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R
Not necessarily, it depends on how strong the opponent is.
And, if you're a trained in self defense you should be allright.
EviceTurboMan 3 weeks ago
@EviceTurboMan Strength doesn't fucking matter when it comes to breaking their neck.
When the biggest strongest guys in MMA can get choked out in less than 30 seconds, strength means NOTHING.
If someone gets within arms reach of you, and they know what they're doing, you'd be dead before you can react.
NinjaRider777R 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R You aren't seriously suggesting that in a hand-to-hand fight, a supermodel and an MMA champion are equally matched, are you?
DeadFishFactory 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R
Yes it does. Are you saying I can beat up John Cena? I don't think so!
EviceTurboMan 3 weeks ago
@EviceTurboMan Wrestling is FAKE you dumb fucking moron.....
Plus, guys BIGGER than Cena have been choked out.
Cut off blood flow to the brain by constricting the jugular and carotid arteries in the neck and the person is out cold in 20 seconds or less. This can be done by the typical "sleeper hold" or it can even be done with minimal pressure by 2 fingertips.
If those arteries are cut instead of pinched, the person is DEAD in less than 30 seconds from a quarter inch deep cut.
NinjaRider777R 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R
LMAO. Okay then, go and strangle John Cena. You ignorant fool. XD
EviceTurboMan 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R
Don't get your mankini in a twist.. It's not my fault you believe that a weak man can easily strangle John Cena.
EviceTurboMan 3 weeks ago
@EviceTurboMan You could use your thumb and first finger to knock someone out, just put pressure on the jugular and carotid arteries for 10 to 15 seconds, and they're out cold.
Put the lightest featherweight MMA fighter in a ring against the biggest WWE wrestlers, and my money is on the featherweight every single time.
Wrestlers are dancers, they know FAKE wresting choreography and that's it.
NinjaRider777R 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R shooting someone in the head takes 0 seconds.
BruceLeeKills1 3 weeks ago
@PfhUkJiu101 No, gun control increases homicide rates because now you don't have a gun to stop they gut with the gun who wants to shoot you.
Raging0yster 3 weeks ago
@Raging0yster
Than why do the United states have a homocide rate that is 2 - 5 times higher than that of most european country, where there is strict gun control?
PfhUkJiu101 3 weeks ago
@PfhUkJiu101 Well, 48% of all violent crime in the US can be directly traced to gangs (leaving out what can't be traced)...you know...gang members who aren't allowed to legally own a gun, but don't follow the law? For example, in LA, well over 50% of homicides are gang related -- in a state with some of the strictest and most unintelligently written gun laws in the country. In Bakersfield, CA, they cause over 85% of all homicides. That's why the murder rate is so damn high.
Cosmo1093 1 week ago
Somalia, the Holy Grail of the Tea Party -- tons of guns and no law enforcement at all.
this is why the teabaggers are dangerous.
zaragala15312 4 weeks ago
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@zaragala15312
It worries me more that America lets moronic left-wing anti-gun idiots on YouTube, opposed to the UK where they are properly and efficiently mentally hospitalized.
Just another baseless comment fed on emotion rather than rational fact.
WenchesOfRedemption 4 weeks ago
@zaragala15312 Typical uneducated little brat that always wants to make everything into a political debate....
Vermont proves your theory wrong, loosest gun laws in the entire country, and they've maintained SINGLE DIGIT firearm homicide numbers all the way back to the 1950's. You don't even need a permit to carry concealed in Vermont.
Conversely California has the strictest gun laws in the country with the HIGHEST firearm homicide numbers.
Gun control only makes things WORSE.
NinjaRider777R 3 weeks ago
@NinjaRider777R
well you can't compare vermont with california. california has way more people and a different mindset.
zaragala15312 3 weeks ago
@zaragala15312 Well your smart ass comment about Somalia combined with this comment show that you are a hypocritcal asshole.
cwa1984 3 weeks ago
@zaragala15312
Just ignore him, he's like this to every one. He's a racist bigot who only assumes the ENTIRE UK is bad by visiting ONE place.
Two words for him: Ignorant fool.
EviceTurboMan 3 weeks ago
@EviceTurboMan
yes he is ignorant
zaragala15312 3 weeks ago
@zaragala15312 Numbers say otherwise, and percentages prove that California has more crime regardless of the population.
NinjaRider777R 3 weeks ago
i have soem advice. Librals are destroying this nations christian values by un correcting and subverting our children essentially... basically this is what im sayhing socialists are taking us away from what the founding fathers and Ronald Reagan wanted which was for what us to be ruled by the BIBLE.... basically it is this any forem of gun controls is un nationinistic and patriotic... it is unrealistic to assmuse that AMERICANS wil lgive anything like guns up in the name of socialism
Mousewar611 1 month ago
John Stossel has this weird tendency to come off as someone you want to punch in the jaw.
kingfelipe12 1 month ago
gun control is not to reduce crime that is a myth its to stop psychopaths going on shootings which it does stop it may not stop terrorists and criminals from getting them but it does stop lunatics from getting them.
zeonzaku2s 1 month ago
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@zeonzaku2s """its to stop psychopaths going on shootings which it does stop"""
LOL NO....
If a psycho wants a gun, it's actually easier to get one illegally than it is to legally purchase a gun in a store.
When you ban something and make it illegal, a HUGE criminal empire pops up to sell that illegal item.
It doesn't matter what country you go to, you can have a gun in your hands within 3 hours of crossing the border if you have the cash.
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@zeonzaku2s In my country it's difficult to get guns, already. That said criminals like our last shooter used an unlegal gun. No law about legal guns can prevent that!
Kekkon3n 1 month ago
Limiting and restricting the sale of guns to those who would buy them LEGALLY would be news of orgasmic proportions to those who DON'T. The idiots who support this misguided philanthotropic crusade don't have a clue just how easily guns can be obtained. Can't buy a certain gun? Buy them off the black market. But don't tell that to the "geniuses" in Washington who know what's better for us than we do.
BlackFox0911 1 month ago
GUYS! Terrorists and lunatics WILL FIND A WAY to get guns! They're not gonna listen to some gun control B.S... If they have guns then they know that it's easier to massacre all the people who DONT, because they CANT DEFEND THEMSELVES. If you were a criminal would you attack somone that had a gun, or somone that DIDNT?
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It matter not if guns are illegal. A criminal will always obtain a weapon no matter what. Gun laws only screw over the people because they can no longer arm and protect themselves from thugs. That means they’re vulnerable and helpless against those criminals.
LordoftheKaty 1 month ago
Probably fair enough for domestic protection (the argument anyway if not in practice.) Problem is that if you accept the statistics on offer you are forced to conclude Americans are just, by nature, more homicidal. That or do a serious sociological study to figure out why the USA has so many more gun deaths.
ukanian 1 month ago
Criminal says "I'm going to own a gun anyway" Harder to rob someone you dont know... Truer words never spoken, Gun control increases crime. Live with that fact.
GeorgiaShooter 1 month ago 4
i see people saying if i was being robbed id just shoot them. well easier said then done brother and it dont end after you pull the trigger once. my home was broken into 2 years ago this month by a man all strung out and it took 4 .40 cal hollow points in the chest and 1 in the skull to stop him now you tell me you can do that. its hard i still see his eyes in my mind from time to time pulling the trigger is the easy part living a normal life after you took some one elses not so much
emkivi82 1 month ago
But really tbere is just something wrong with society in the US i think, i mean i would kill someone for certain reasons, but it would have to be one of a very few reasons. Say someone molested my son, i may kill for that, or if i felt threatened for my life i would kill first. But in the US it seems mainly the youth are using their weapons without thinking first of the consequences. Or maybe they truely think people in the neighborhood will all just respect the dont snitch policy they have....
afghi420 1 month ago
@afghi420 or maybe its all the people who complain about society because the media only reports cases were youth and firearms where involved, and not the BORING cases where law abiding citizens prevented a crime or murder from happening by carrying a firearm and defending themselves
HASSON454 1 month ago
would ever have for a handgun would be to transport somewhere to kill or threaten someone`s life. I use shotguns for birds, rifles for deer and moose, and handgun for killing someone if i really felt i had too, and in my neareast city of about 100,000 we are lucky to have 1 or 2 homicides a year. So the number of guns i don`t believe has anything to do with the homicide rate, ALTHOUGH, perhaps if anyone here could go by a handgun on the corner for $25-50 there would be alot more killings here.
afghi420 1 month ago
colt 32. I bought all my guns through a local buyer flyer. A few of my guns including the assault rifle were sold to me by a vice president of a local gun club a few towns over. None of my guns were registered in any fashion, i could take my assault rifle hunting varmint as long as i didnt have the big clip in, get pulled over by a ranger and as long as i had my hunting license things were fine. That is how Canada works. Mind you handguns are alot more restricted, but honestly the ONLY use i
afghi420 1 month ago
Im not too sure how i feel on the gun control, i don't really believe that having a gun makes you use it, i believe the American society is severely messed up for there to be that many murder's annually, especially in some of the major cities. I live in Canada, and despite what alot of American`s believe about this Country, we DO have guns. I don`t know, but a few years back i owned a 223-mini 14 assault rifle with 20+ round clip, had a remington magnum 12 guage, a 30-06, a 22 rifle, and a
afghi420 1 month ago
I think commie liberals should be sent to there own private island where they can have all the illegal immigrants they want, all the gun control they want, and then let them overun themselves. Meanwhile, let us REAL AMERICANS live by the constitutional laws that were designed to let us live good lives!
1sowild 1 month ago
Myth2: Drug control reduces drug use.
ssuuppeerrbbooyy 1 month ago
@uanime1 Narnia?
billburns2 1 month ago
202 people are members of the NWO.
Barnekkid 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R LMFAO. So this is actually about you being a white supremacist with a few back copies of National Enquirer and Stormfront. I been trolld hard Adolf
billburns2 1 month ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Actually there are 300,000 gun murders in the UK every second. Every other number is a lie.
billburns2 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R "Explain the 300,000+ guns" same numbers as before, because gun controls make no difference. "explain the 2034" crimes" because its another number you've pulled out of you arse. So far you haven't been able to cite any reference in a way that allows us to check. You are simply making stuff up
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 I linked directly to the numbers you fucking moron, it wouldn't matter what links I post because you'd just complain about all of them if they were contrary to your numbers pulled from sites that heavily sensor the truth, or just blatantly make shit up as they go along.
More than one gun info site only states the UK as England by itself, they never bother to include the other 3 countries, one site even lists a country that doesn't exist at all.....
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
"I linked directly to the numbers you fucking moron"
er, no you didn't
"you'd just complain about all of them"
not if they are from a verifiable source
"sites that heavily sensor the truth"
you think that the BCS censors its figures? Paranoid much?
"they never bother to include the other 3 countries"
I've given you the numbers from Scotland and NI - 2 gun homicides each for 2010.
billburns2 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R That's because some people confuse England, Britain, and the UK. Mainly because England has 82% of the population of the UK, while Britain has 97.3%.
What was the non-existent country? Eire? Cornwall? Gibraltar? Falklands?
uanime1 1 month ago
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@billburns2 """because gun controls make no difference"""
There were FEWER illegal guns on UK streets before the bans.
Their crime numbers were LOWER before the bans.
They actually ARRESTED terrorists before their entire police force and government turned 180 degrees backwards, now they just let terrorists walk the streets openly plotting the downfall of the UK in public ON CAMERA.....
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
"There were FEWER illegal guns on UK streets before the bans"
citation please
"Their crime numbers were LOWER before the bans"
citation needed
"They actually ARRESTED terrorists"
You mean the IRA? Yes, we did. Your country called them "freedom fighters", remember?
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 I'm not talking about the IRA at all, I'm talking about radical Muslims who openly plot the downfall of the Queen & Parliament in public ON CAMERA and they've still not been arrested. They want to turn Buckingham Palace into a Mosque.
What they're doing falls under High Treason by UK laws, but they haven't been touched. They've set up No Go Zones for non-Muslims, they've used the UK cops to kick out anyone who isn't a Muslim even if they were living there first.
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
I wonder how old this video is or if there was a slight glitch in reporting because according to the bit starting at 1:53, Arkansas doesn't allow legal carry.
We do allow, just not Open Carry, although we had legislative pushes for it that failed.
Proud to say we have only a 4/100 points approval from the Brady Campaign. Still that's room for improvement to reach the prime of 0 points.
MachShot1337 1 month ago
@MachShot1337 Even Vermont doesn't have a zero point Brady score and they've got the loosest laws in the country. They don't even require a permit to carry concealed.
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
Obama 2012!
WKaliberr 1 month ago
gun control does not reduce crime, neither does the ability for anyone to buy a gun. The only thing guns provide is a way for any lunatic to break into a fucking school and shoot everyone.
globin3 1 month ago
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@billburns2 All told, in 2010 the UK had 404 gun deaths, 145 of which were homicides.
Those numbers break down as follows:
(FH=Firearms Homicides, GD=Gun Deaths, both per capita [100K])
N.Ireland: 1.8mil; FH: 5.24, GD: 6.82
Scotland: 5.2mil; FH: 0.19, GD: 0.58
Wales: 3.02mil; FH: 0.15, GD: 0.38
England: 52.2mil; FH: 0.07, GD: 0.46
The "41" has been floating around for 10 years and is a LIE. The numbers are from the British Home Office and New Scotland Yard. YOUR GOVERNMENT says so.
Excedrine 1 month ago
@Excedrine
If you want to take some crap you've read on GunCite as gospel, that's up to you.
The actual numbers from UK Home Office, Scottish Parliament and Northern Ireland Assembly give a grand total of 46 gun homicides in 2009/2010
You are either mistaken or a liar
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 That is the exact same number that has been floating around for over a decade now. Wherever you're getting it from is an absolute shame and you know it.
Numbers that come straight from your own government - the numbers that *I* have cited AND sourced - aren't mistaken and they aren't lies.
You dismissing the whole caseload of ALL the United Kingdom and calling your police officers LIARS is a sad sight to see. Being a stooge for DISHONEST media won't ever make you right.
Excedrine 1 month ago
@Excedrine
That's because the number for 2010 is the same as for 1999 genius. UK gun murders have totalled around 50 per year for the past 15 years. Go ahead and look it up, but use the primary sources instead of some regurgitated crap that you've found on the internet - and yes, I dismiss anything that isn't from those sources and label the people who make up crap to support their ideology LIARS
If you want to use facts, then they have to be accurate - that's sort of a rule.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 The difference between us is that the facts I've cited are accurate, absolutely and irrefutably. The numbers *I've* cited, as I said before, come directly from the British government and are compiled from all FOUR corners of the United Kingdom - leaving out important databases, as you HAVE done, makes information inaccurate. It makes YOU a liar
Just because you don't believe it, despite being shown insurmountable evidence from YOUR own people, doesn't mean it isn't true.
Excedrine 1 month ago
@Excedrine
"the facts I've cited are accurate"
Then you need to support your claims-
Then PM me with the exact URL of the government publications and the exact pages where you are getting these numbers from - you can do that, right?
You're not going to cop out by writing some shit like "I already have" or "you can find it on the HO website" or "Google it", are you?
tap tap tap
billburns2 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R unfortunately for you the only sources that count are the ones that actually collated the raw data. Citing a newspaper headline doesn't "prove" anything. If it did, then I could prove that Elvis is still alive. I was waiting for the Propaganda claim - always the last resort of a denialist
billburns2 1 month ago
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@billburns2 I wasn't citing JUST newspapers, you fail.
/watch?v=VyozDbg48rQ
Frank Cook, British Parliament Member
The newspaper headlines start at 2:53...
"Crimes with firearms increase to 61 a day"
"Gun Crime Rockets 35% in last year"
"Robbery Rises 14%, Sex Offenses 18%"
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6438601/Gun-crime-doubles-in-a-decade.html
guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/30/ukcrime1
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
Oh, newspaper headlines AND a youtube video, well that clinches it.
I'm guessing you're not an attorney in real life.
Your video is 7 years old and about FOX HUNTING - which is done with horse and hounds, not guns you moron.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 It was about guns being banned and it NOT WORKING.
And realize something, UK politicians lie worse than American ones.
The numbers coming in from their version of the Uniform Crime Report versus the numbers posted by their politicians DON'T MATCH.
When they've got Terrorists running around free on the streets ON CAMERA and they still won't arrest them, and they've got teens running around with 30+ criminal convictions on their record, it's NOT a "calm" society at all....
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
I agree that gun bans don't work - they make no difference. The claim that they make things worse is yours, and that's what you can't prove other than by citing a fucking youtube video.
The numbers come from police forces and independent statistical bodies, not politicians, so whether or not the politicians lie is irrelevant.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 """The claim that they make things worse is yours, and that's what you can't prove """
Cohen & Felsen's studies on crime prove YOU wrong.
Ban guns, who does it effect, law abiding citizens, or criminals?
Criminals, by definition, do NOT FOLLOW LAWS, so any anti-gun law only effects those who FOLLOW the law.
When you disarm people, you make the criminal's job EASIER.
Follow the entire chain, ban guns, people disarmed, criminals go wild.
Bans make crime go UP, not down....
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
"Cohen & Felsen's studies on crime prove YOU wrong."
Please cite the page in their thesis where they do that
"Bans make crime go UP, not down"
please cite ANY long term statistical evidence that proves this, with appropriate sources (one year in Kennsaw GA won't cut it"
So far all you have presented are your personal opinions disguised as fact with a couple of whopping great lies thrown in to add credence.
Not good enough I'm afraid
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 """cite ANY long term statistical evidence that proves this"""
30 years in Washington DC and Chicago, once DC's handgun ban was lifted, their crime rates went DOWN.
Florida's crime rates have also gone down since they enacted their CCW program back in the late 80's.
There was one Florida gang busted for preying on tourists, they admitted when they got busted it was because they knew the tourists wouldn't be ARMED.....
Vermont, maintains single-digit gun deaths for DECADES
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
Chicago: gun ban introduced 1982, ended 2010
Murders per 100K
1982 - 22
1992 - 34
2009 - 17
So explain why the rate has risen, then fallen to below gun ban levels when the law on handguns in Chicago was the same for 28 years?
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 Ask the 442 dead people if they like the 17:100K total....
And the Chicago gun ban was struck down in 2008, right along with DC's ban, but idiot politicians in Chicago introduced ridiculous licensing ideas, and even one idea to track LEGAL gun buyers from space 24/7 but nothing about tracking criminals.....
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
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@NinjaRider777R
The Chicago ban was finally lifted on July 13th 2010. The appeals process meant that the laws stayed in place until then.
So..
1982 - 22
1992 - 34
2009 - 17
Explain why the rate has risen, then fallen to below gun ban levels when the law on handguns in Chicago was the same for 28 years?
billburns2 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
Still waiting for an explanation on the Chicago figures....
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 Cohen & Felsen proved that Criminals go after the EASIEST targets first, which means the UNARMED targets get hit first.
If everybody is unarmed that means EVERYBODY IS A TARGET
Crime rates going UP in the UK is more proof, nobody is armed, they can't defend themselves so the criminals have free reign because they know all they'll get is a slap on the wrist. They've got TEENS running around free on the streets with 30+ convictions & those who defend themselves get 10 YEARS
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
Once again, cite the PRECISE PAGE where C&F specifically identify gun bans as increasing crime rates.
"Crime rates going UP in the UK is more proof,"
and again, cite the exact page of data in the exact publication that demonstrates this
No newspaper headlines or YT videos, government data only. It should be easy to do...
tap tap tap
billburns2 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
What's especially funny is that the video has a clip from Frank Cook MP, who is a leading anti gun campaigner that tabled even MORE gun control following Dunblane. He is one of the reasons that the UK now has a handgun ban.
It's like the GCN using a clip of Charlton Heston saying "cold dead hands" - pitiful.
billburns2 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
Here's another dilemma for you:
There are now MORE legally owned guns in the UK than there were before the 1997 Firearms Act -
1996 - 1,335,000 shotguns, 418,300 other firearms
2010 - 1,358,522 shotguns, 451,131 other firearms
source: Home Office Firearm Certification
does this still tally with your claims of increased crime?
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 Explain the 300,000+ illegal guns on UK streets despite the bans.....
Explain the 2,034 crimes per 100,000 people in the UK compared to the USA's 466.
Assault Victims, Bribe Payers (police & political corruption), Drug Offenses, Rape Victims, etc etc etc....
All HIGHER in the UK than in the USA.
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R can you cite that? I want it for reference.
happykillmore88 1 month ago
@happykillmore88 It's already linked in other posts below.
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@crazypants88 I agree that gun bans don't banish guns. They have very little effect either way. Switzerland is held up as some sort of crime free utopia by the pro gun crowd, whereas in reality it has broadly similar murder and violent crime rates to other European countries. An awful lot of bullshit gets spouted on this topic. Bottom line is that gun laws make very little difference
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 No actually it's pretty low when compared to the rest of Europe, it doesn't have the lowest crime rates in Europe but it's lower than many of it's neighbours.
I disagree that they have very little effect either way, they have the effect of leaving the citizenry at uneven ground with criminals. Criminals will and do get guns despite gun restrictions, look at Mexico, Thailand or Brazil.
crazypants88 1 month ago
@crazypants88
But you agree that it doesn't have the lowest murder rate despite having some of the most permissive gun laws in the world?
So pretty easy to see that gun laws pe-se make no difference, right?
"they have the effect of leaving the citizenry at uneven ground with criminals"
Which apparently has no significant impact on violent crime and murder - unless you now choosing to ditch the statistics in favour of an emotive argument with no actual proof behind it???
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 """Which apparently has no significant impact on violent crime and murder"""
FBI numbers prove that wrong.
Every city and state with the most restrictive gun laws has the HIGHEST crime numbers.
Every city and state with the loosest gun laws has the LOWEST crime numbers.
Kennesaw Georgia made owning a gun mandatory and home burglary dropped to near ZERO.
Washington DC, ban in place = murder central, ban lifted = crime numbers DROPPING.
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
"Every city and state with the most restrictive gun laws has the HIGHEST crime numbers"
Absolute rubbish. Check out the murder and violent crime stats for stats for Alaska, Nevada and Louisiana. Unrestricted or "shall issue" states with high percentage of gun ownership AND fucking high murder and violent crime rates. Seriously, look this stuff up, it's all in the public domain
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 Once again, FBI numbers say otherwise.....
fbi gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/ crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls
fbi gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/ crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls
First link is the state by state breakdown, Vermont vs California is most telling.
Second link is firearm homicide numbers going DOWN for 5 straight years in a row despite gun ownership going UP more than 500%
More Guns = Less Crime
NinjaRider777R 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
OMG - you really don't know what PER CAPITA means, do you???!!!
Your data tables are disproving your own claims
Look at Illinois - the ONLY rights denied state in the US has less than half the number of murders PER CAPITA than Arizona with its unrestricted policy on guns.
derp
billburns2 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
If more guns = less crime, then the USA should be virtually crime free. After all, you have nearly twice the guns PER CAPITA (that ol' phrase agin) as Switzerland.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 Typical strawman argument. Just because the US has lots of guns (relatively) doesn't mean it has to be "crime free" if the more guns = less crime argument is true. The point you are missing is that increasing lawful gun ownership will be associated with reduction in violent crime. There is a plethora of data to support this claim. I challenge you to look it up.
MrStevieification 1 month ago
@MrStevieification
Why is it strawman? The claim is that more guns = less crime - therefore the countries and areas with the most guns must all be low crime, right? So why aren't they?
Yours is a perfect example of the correlation/causation fallacy - except there isn't even sufficient correlation here.
Simply cherrypicking data that fits your theory doesn't mean anything. You need to explain the areas that DON'T fit your theory, and there are lots of them.
billburns2 1 month ago
@NinjaRider777R
UK homicides have also declined consistently since the mid-90s, yet gun laws are stricter than they have ever been.
Care to comment on that?
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 That may be true but the violent crime rate in general actually went UP after the UK banned handguns in 1997 (from 1997 to 2001 it more than doubled). You are more likely to be robbed or burglarized in England than in the US. 53% of burglaries in England happen when the residents are at home compared to only 13% in the US where burglars admit to fearing armed residents more than the police. Criminals in the UK simply substituted other weapons, like knives, for their crimes.
MrStevieification 1 month ago
@MrStevieification
"violent crime rate in general actually went UP after the UK banned handguns"
No. It didn't - look at the figures from British Crime Survey, they show a 41% drop.
Again, country vs country comparisons for anything other than murder don't work as there are different ways of classifying and measuring crime.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 No it doesn't, but it still has a lot lower crime than many other European nations, some of them being held as an example of how strict gun laws lead to a safer society, like Sweden and Norway.
"So pretty....difference, right?" That's a very shallow analysis
Gun crime in Washington D.C. and also in the UK have gone up since banning or severely restricting access to guns.
I live in one the countries in Europe that has one of the lowest if not THE lowest crime rates,
contd
crazypants88 1 month ago
@crazypants88
Unfortunately trying to compare overall levels of crime between countries is fairly useless. Different countries have different ways of categorizing and measuring crime and things that are legal in some countries are illegal in others. Homicide is the only crime that can be accurately compared between countries.
Nice try though.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 I agree it's not ideal, but I don't think it's useless at all. You yourself were doing this exact thing and now when it's shown you don't have the foot to stand on that you thought you did, it's all of a sudden invalid to compare crime rates.
In your own words "nice try though"
crazypants88 1 month ago
@crazypants88
"You yourself were doing this exact thing"
Nope. I've cited only cited international numbers for homicide and gun homicide.
Comparing violent crime within the US is a bit easier.
So you've either made a mistake or you're a liar. Which is it?
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 No?
I guess you never wrote this then
"Switzerland is held up as some sort of crime free utopia by the pro gun crowd, whereas in reality it has broadly similar murder and violent crime rates to other European countries."
Wait yeah you did, the first comment you made towards me in this thread.
My comment will probable get flagged for spam because of c/p so I'll notify you of this comment in another comment.
crazypants88 1 month ago
@crazypants88
you'll notice the term "broadly similar", which intentionally avoids direct comparisons or rankings. Understand now??
I'm guessing this is as close as I'll get to an admission that you fucked up.
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 That's still comparing crime rates, dummy.
Just because you don't go into specific doesn't mean when you say "x is better than y in this regard" that you aren't comparing, you are.
crazypants88 1 month ago
@crazypants88
The point of using a phrase like "broadly similar" is NOT to directly compare or rank. If you're too thick to get this then that's your problem son
billburns2 1 month ago
@billburns2 It's still comparing, just admit it you royally fucked up.
So if I say you are about as monumentally stupid as an retarded amoeba then I'm not really comparing you to an amoeba?
crazypants88 1 month ago
@billburns2 Since you decided to block me and thereby confirming everything I've thought about you, I'm going to take this opportunity to declare victory, thanks for making it so easy.
You're pathetic, Bill
crazypants88 1 month ago
@billburns2 In case my other comment get's marked as spam, this comment is just here to notify you of said comment
crazypants88 1 month ago