Guys come on. For all you saying star wars is better and there ships are better and they would beat halo without them being able to fight back well try putting up a death star against all the halo rings...... yeah thats what i thought........
hey star wars ships beats halo ships by far i mean ARC-170 v bansheed arcs have 2 gun banshees 1 seat arc 3 seats i mean on infantry ships are better than 1 of halos cruisers
Please, guys, the Star Wars vs Star Trek is enough! Each universe has its own perks, downsides, science, characters and means of going about telling their unique stories. Personally, Halo is my favorite, because it just is. I don't care if the Death Star could obliterate the Covenant. Just understand that because Halo is just a video games with some *couchbadlywrittencough* books means that there isn't a strong fanbase of people who actually know what's going on in the story
Actually, Halo got most of its ideas from Marathon.Look it up.Just because its sci fi doesnt mean it copied star wars.And in truth, it could be said that star wars took many ideas from older sci fi series
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In halo empire at war space mod(still real star wars) there r sips so powerful u can destroy mostly anything with them the Super star destroyers are 1 example. There are a least 4 SSDs in the empires control. The rebels even have there own! The eclipse is like a more powerful miniature of the death star.
are people forgetting something? what about the dark matter bomb? i mean the death star is nice and all but what is it really but a ball that cough cough had some rebels in like 10 small ships to destroy. what makes the match up really great tho is the fact that the two cultures are so different but people are forgetting that star wars is run by a bunch of rebels now and they have no death star and halo still has the combined strength of the UNSC and the Covy. where as the empire is destroyed.
@andyvici1 i think the arguement about these 2 meeting is about everything both sides have to offer meaning every bad ass thing about each side in one era and if that is the case star wars wins and if you go by era the sith empire, old republic, new republic,and the empire beat halo post empire i dont know
@andyvici1 The Empire was never completey destroyed. It managed to rebuild itself many times. As far as i'm aware now it is currently lead by the sith lord Darh Krayt.
@1993Conner I don't know since i don't own the books myself. I just searched it on Wookiepedia and it said that he was killed and resurrected and that his empire still stands. So I guess that he's in control.
@onlypeaceindeath it appears we are both wrong krayts most trusted advisor darth wyyrlok is currently in control as darth krayt was killed during a skirmish on had abbadon
@krazyk9947 u guys relly do watch to much sw and play way to much damn halo really do somthing productive and plz do not nerd fight with me i hate fat fucks who do that plz go out side and get out of ur moms basements!!!!!!!!!!!!
every one instead blowing up planet or about the ships, death star and all that crap talk about the ground units like clone troopers storm troopers spartans elites
ODSTs Superbattle droids I think the spartans will win in my taste
An acclamator troop TRANSPORT, has a power output of 200 trillion gigawatts (AoTc:AmazingCrossections)
The unyielding hierophant uses generators that peak output of 512 terawatts(Halo:FirstStrike)
The Covernant would need 136,718,750 reactors stationed throughout the station to match the single pre-imperial transport.
The 70 Trillion gigawatt shield heat dissipation acclamator, will make you spend 6140 bombs against it, cause it only has a yield of 27 gigatons(halopedia)
look i grew up with Star wars, i loved it so much that when i was only 7 i made my self darth maul's special lightsaber but when it comes to video games Halo conquers so one owns movies, the other video games = yin and yang
halo has a way to win. Halo forces go into the fortress gaurded by sentinels in shield world. The so called bomb shelter of the halo effect. Activate the rings whipe out everything. Unless there is more forerunner tech i dont know about Star Wars would win by sheer numbers of the empire
The Malevolence can be used on the sentinels that even decide to get close, the Malevolence shuts down all enemy ships or droids that use anything electric based. Then, the Death Stars (the Tarkin and Galaxy Gun included) fire on the shielded world, or the Sun Crusher is used to create a chain of supernovas in the stars surrounding the shield world. If there is no sun available, use Centerpoint Station to move the planet near a star, and run like hell! Or CP station can be used to move rings.
this can only be assuming that SW knows the plans to do this and gets there in time to use malevolance. I am not sure how the shield world described at the end of Onyx would fare vs Death Star. I assume it could destroy it but it isnt a conventional planet. It actually exist outside conventional space almost like a portal into a larger world so I am unsure on how it would be destroyed. Perhaps remove the sentinels and breach the world to get in. The true shield world inst the planet
oh I did forget to add one thing Halo has one weapon that matches the destructive power of the Death Star. Nova Nuclear Warhead. It can destroy a planet or a very very large fleet of ships. I think it was first revealed in the book First Strike a good read if you want a good sci fi book
"So the rough estimation for the NOVA Bomb may be around that of a twenty-seven gigaton yield blast."
That's it? A common Imperial turbolaser has a yield blast of 25 million terawatts. 1 Gigawatt = 1 billion watts. 1 Terawatt = 1 trillion watts, and it has 25,000,000 of them. As for planet killers...Death Star 1 & 2, the Tarkin, Galaxy Gun, and Sun Crusher. The Sun Crusher creates a chain of supernovas...so it destroys many planets. It creates a supernova in less than a second...
"this can only be assuming that SW knows the plans to do this and gets there in time to use malevolence"
Well, that's if any of the 7 Halo Rings can survive a Death Star shot as well, it doesn't have to be charged because a Halo Ring is smaller and obviously not as dense as a planet. The Malevolence can be used against the others though...As for the Onyx world, the Onyx sentinels are electric, which makes them victim to the Malevolence.
Im just saying its a weapon on par with the damage death star can deal. So many people say nothing in Halo can destroy a planet. Just pointing out they are wrong. And seriously to guess on watts. And you missed my point on onyx after the sentinels were removed. Could the Deathstar directly assualt it or would a ground force have to try to work its way into a portal? The planet inside the portal probably exist in a different space
"its a weapon on par with the damage death star can deal."
It's a bomb that not only is limited by speed, but I highly doubt even 200 of them exist...Besides, who will defend it before it detonates on the planet?
As for the watts, I got my SW turbolaser calcs from StarDestroyer(dot)net(and it's 2.5 million, not 25 million, my bad). For the NOVA bomb, halopedia was the source...As for the portal, block anything coming in or out...and what's the point of using the rings?
I believe I said the death star has the advantage beacuase a beam is faster then a missle. But I like that the bomb could be deployed by anyship. Making it somewhat more versitile and could be delivered more stealth like. It would be used in a different tactical manner. So maybe Halo could create better guerilla tactics and the SW would be more straight foward strenghted.
Well, I don't know what ship the NOVA bomb was fired from. It would have to be fired from the same ship...it's hard to tell when the quantity of the bomb wasn't told. Seeing as it's limited to a certain ship, it can't be fired from like a scarab or something.
The funniest part about using NOVA Bombs, is that hardly any were even made. Halopedia even says: "Only a handful of these enormously powerful weapons have ever been made in the history of the UNSC."
Even funnier to note, on this Halo Vs. Star Wars message board, the Halo side had to purposely lower the canon amounts of energy in SW weapons and numbers of units. A little thing to remember...
As for the debate over Onyx, I would bet my money on either a combination of the Death Star and the Eclipse, or the Death Star 2 on it's own. The Eclipse, having to align itself with it's target (well Onyx is planet-sized), it is capable of shooting a superlaser 2/3 as power as the first Death Star. It even stats on wookiepedia that the superlaser can destroy even the most strongest planetary shields. Or a small DS2 shot, and a bigger one ought to do it.
To be honestly, sometimes I wonder if they exaggerate the firepower.You watch any of the movies or shows, I have yet to see anything that could melt the crust on a planet.Realisticly, it would depend on the planet and its crust.And I could hardly see laser canons doing a whole lot to the planet.Not to mention I find it hardly realistic that one transport could do that much damage.But then again, star wars isnt realistic(halo takes the more realism approach)
Damn, Spankdamonkey, you have some dumbass arguments. Like a Lightsaber not being able to penetrate his shields. Bullshit, mate. A plasma sword can penetrate his shield and one has almost taken his arm off. As for your idea of moving the Halos through slipspace that was freaking dumb. Did you take into account that the Halos would have to have slipspace drives of their own to maintain the journey across the void between galaxies. Did you think of galactic drift?
Lastly (I have free time, but it gets boring), these are some weapons to consider against Halo factions= *= destroys a planet +=causes supernova(s) @=ability to use tracker beams on planets ()= ability to destroy a galaxy Death Star 1 * Death Star 2 * The Tarkin * Sun Crusher * () + World Devastator * Centerpoint Station @ Shawken Device () but will take awhile Galaxy Gun can * from protected space Master Sith Powers can hurl + at you, literally Dark Reaper
Here is something else interesting that I've proposed, thanks to halopedia (capitalized for emphasis):
"A Sentinel is an ancient Forerunner-constructed automated ELECTRONIC construct"
"Some Sentinels are equipped with Energy Shields, though all Sentinels can be easily destroyed by PLASMA WEAPONS,"
Since we know SW uses plasma mostly, and the Malevolence cancels all electric anything, probably just one ion shot from the Malevolence is required (they expand with time and don't lose power).
Oh, and since you don't want it to be an all-out battle where everyone in each faction knows the enemy's firepower...it depends on who attacks first and when.
If SW attacked unsuspecting UNSC: Death Star and Sun Crusher.
If SW attacked unsuspecting Cov: Death Stars, Malevolence, and Sun Crusher.
If UNSC attacked unsuspecting SW: Malevolence would be hidden from fire until ion cannon fired.
If Cov attacked unsuspecting SW: Flagships have no known weps, and Halo Ring would be alternative.
Fair enough, but my way results in the ultimate death of the star wars galaxy.
Pretty much I claim ultimate victory. I may reply to comments after this but only to see if you have something interesting to propose. Your alternatives would imply a fair fight. I just found a sneaky, irritating way to win.
You would only "win" if you told the results of an all-out war. I would still bet money on Star Wars since they have similar weapons, and have populations over trillions. I guess that's what you get when you have over 1 million planets conquered by the Empire, and the galaxy where the Yuuzhan Vong came from (filled with droids).
Oh, and a little something to add, of those scenarios of Star Wars vs. Halo, Star Wars won 3/4. The Covenant would be taken down if a Death Star shot fired on High Charity. Still, I enjoy Halo a lot(most for the games), I just feel differently in space battles against other science fictions.
By the way, this debate has been interesting and everything but I know how to end it. The trillions of sentinals would destroy anything and everything in the star wars universe. The only thing you could argue may survive is the suncrusher, and the activation of halo in the SW universe would kill its pilots, rendering it harmless.
"The trillions of sentinals woulddestroy anything and everything in the star wars universe..."
Apart from the Malevolence shutting down millions (maybe trillions since there are ion cannons on both sides), the Sun Crusher destroying the star system Halo is in, as well as the trillions of ships...without being affected itself, or activating Halo would result the nearest faction, which would be Halo factions. Oh, and the Star Forge could create an ENDLESS amount of ships. Endless > trillions.
Halo can travel in slipspace, that is how they were placed around the galaxy. Only 1 person is needed to activate it and the halo factions could easily be far away. Millions does not go to trillions. By the way, they are so small and fast they need never be hit. One going into main cannon = boom. They can slipspace jump next to it and do that. Destroy the star forge = no more problem very simple.
Star Wars has hyperspace, which is even faster than the speed of light (not surprised if slipspace is faster than speed of light). One person may be needed, but who will defend Halo from a Death Star showing up, or an invasion? Halo factions need to DEFEND the Halo until the long process of galaxy elimination is complete. The Star Forge says endless, not millions. They aren't even small, you think 2m < 1.83m...Destroying the star forge is hard when defended by endless ships.
It needs time to make those ship. There would be none when it was first found, and we already know it would not just work for people.
Sentinals could destroy death star and invasion and the death star. The advantage of halo is that you can pick a random point in space that is untrackable for the time it takes to fire and destroy all star wars life. And the best thing is it does not kill machines, so sentinels are still active after, as well as halo forces out of galaxy
Since the Star Forge would probably not be destroyed the second it was made...then it will have time to make ships.
Sentinels won't be able to survive many shots able to destroy them. Death Star 2 is able to not use as much power and time to destroy smaller things (smaller than a planet).
A random area in space not trackable? The Star Wars galaxy's area is known to all with the million+ planets and the 4 billion species. Hiding is not even much of a space battle.
They are slightly bigger than the flying robots in the games. The death star would have a fun time trying to track them.
It does not have to be a assive battle. I have shown you 2 ways that the star wars galaxy could be utterly destroyed. The halo way is pretty cowardly but could work amazingly well with minimal loss of halo life. Or the sentinals could just rape everthing. Either way I don't mind.
I'll let you on a little secret, the entire surface of both Death Stars have turrets capable of taking out fast ships, and they aren't really small (small enough to go within the inner workings of the second Death Star, but they were scraping the surfaces). As for the Halo universe hiding, it can't be within the galaxy which is larger than the Milky Way, so they have to detonate it on their place. Just for the SC to be unfair, supernova the area the Cov and UNSC control.
Yet 10 ships bigger and less armoured and with worse weaponery destroyed it and were not destroyyed mostly by these turrrets but a few fighters? Thaat is a contradiction a bit.
The 10 bombers were led by Anakin Skywalker (I doubt a Marine is sensitive to the Force lol), and several of them were taken out. As for being bigger than Halo ships, that is untrue. The smallest thing Halo has are Banshees and Hornets. The torpedoes also had to be fired while the ship was loading the ion cannon against a medical station that distracted Grievous. If Grievous went for Skywalker first, they would have been all caught. Also, the turrets were designed to take out larger ships.
The halo's could move around a bit, laying waste to different parts of the star wars galaxy if you really want. The end result is the same. The halo guys would be in the star wars unibverse by that time to the ship would supernovaing its own allies in a search for the unsc
Once the halo ring is activated, everything is destroyed, including the ring itself. You could have to rely on other halo rings spread out in different parts of the Halo galaxy. The Sun Crusher won't be "supernova-ing" its own allies because as plain as obvious:
The Star Wars Galaxy is much bigger and completely different than the Halo universe which takes place in the Milky Way Galaxy where it says the Covenant also occupied part of.
Meh, I don't know. Where did you get the part about destroying parts of the galaxy? It destroys everything in the galaxy at once. Besides, it can be destroyed...
Yes, but space is infinitely massive. It is kind of a bitch, but the thing is a death star or sun cruhser need to be near a star or planet to cause massive carnage.
A halo can be anywhere. Untrackable, instant, catastrophic loss of life.
The Sun Crusher can fly straight through Halo...it only causes star systems to basically "collaspe" and can go through any shield (preferably the control rooms).The Death Star doesn't have to be near a star to cause damage, all it has to do is be itself. The Battle of Endor wasn't near a star, only a planet because that was the TEMPORARY spot to place the shield generator.
Halo is limited to well, apparently flying through the main reactor of a ship can be devastating.
The Death Star doesn't need to be near a star (obviously), and it is only used on planets to show fear. The second Death Star destroyed capital ships retreating from the shielded monster. It would make short work of UNSC and Covenant ships. As for the Malevolence not working on UNSC ships, I've seen a lot of electrical equipment in the bridge of Miranda Keyes ship. It even turned off the engines of a Republic Cruiser, and I doubt they use electric engines...
Yeah...that's where I still doubt you. They turn off any ship systems on any ships. Also, with the ability of the radius to increase without decreasing power, it can devastate much of the UNSC and Covenant. I doubt the Republic ships or even Droid ships use pure electricity, yet they were victims.
So they deactivate systems powered by steam and wind up toys? Unless the answer is yes than they would not be disabled because ONLY THE UNSC USE ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT AT ALL.
I'm sure those toys and steam engines are safe, but the Covenant isn't powered by steam pressure and wind up toys. They don't physically move the ship either. The fact that the ships have systems that control the power of the ship signifies their doom. Well, it's fun to know anyway that MC is stuck on an UNSC ship while everyone else is dying as well with the lack of life support systems.
The fact that the Covenant use plasma for their ships doesn't matter. Republic Cruisers use plasma as well, and well...how did that go for them(Since you didn't actually see the episode by your lack of knowledge for the episodes...probably looked it up on wookiepedia)? The Republic Cruisers had no ability to move their ship, only the launch pods could deploy and they eventually ran out too. Amazing what a large ion cannon will do.
"The Star Forge drew energy and matter from a nearby star which, when combined with the power of the Force, was capable of creating an endless supply of ships, droids, and other war material."
So an endless supply of ships is useless? Even if it completely dwarfs Forerunner, UNSC, Covenant, and other factions of ships.
"Before they had a chance to use them, the crew of Spirit of Fire decided to destroy the ships and the shield world by making the artificial sun of the planet go supernova.
As a result, all the ships inside the planet were destroyed by the massive explosion."
So the DS may not be able to survive a supernova either, but the Sun Crusher produces supernovas. Funny, the Sun Crusher can make those happen.
It's a tetrahedral in form, and there were originally about 80 made...but the "Librarian" who had them had decided to destroy them...all but 1.
According to your logic they could not have been keyships because only 1 survived. They were just warships, which look nothing like truths flagship in halo 3.
"At the Battle of the Maginot Sphere, the Didact was in command of multiple Keyships, although near the end, when the Forerunners began generating Slipspace ruptures to destabilize the battlefield and destroy Flood craft, Keyships were recklessly piloted near rifts, destroying them. However, at least one Keyship would survive the war, and be rediscovered later by the Covenant."
As for the other quote, they were similar to the keyship.
The sun crusher was only destroyed because the owner of it had purposely driven it into one using the Force (Yeah, a Jedi used it and was able to control it without even being in it). So unless the owner decides to drive it into a black hole, no luck.
As for the keyships, the people who found them were going to use them against the UNSC, but couldn't due to the supernova. A supernova would destroy the Prophet of Truth's flagship...it's the power of a sun collasping.
Those were not keyships, they are not even the right shape. Keyship as in able to unlock the portal to the ark. That is a keyship and those could not do that.
Keyships were destroyed by rifts during the Battle of Maginot Sphere. One of the only to survive was later piloted by the Prophet of Truth, which means they are destroyable. It also is possible if no one can get to the ship, much like the Sun Crusher's being out of commission. Besides, how does being able to travel to the Ark in a portal help in a space battle? Ion Cannon against a keyship would mean flying tetrahedral of junk.
It does not use electronics. THat is another thing I forgot to mention. The ion cannon fries electronics so only the unsc get affected. Covenant and forerunner machines or ships= no problem
No it isn't actually, it's a type of energy. By the way in that part of the book the ascendant justice had been attached to the gettysburg, a unsc ship, and she was using the coils on the gettyburg mac gun to improve the ascendant justice plasma torpedos. Nice try, but I remember that bit in the book so bad luck.
Did you not read the part of "electromagnetic"? It still applies to electromagnetic. Funny, in the episode "Rising Malevolence" of the Clone Wars series, those little trivia boxes came up and one of them mentioned the launch pod Plo Koon entered, and it said "The launch pods' launch energy is separate from the actual ship's" or something like that. It says power as well. The covenant will fall victim if their power and electromagnetic technology is hit. Same with the UNSC.
The same as Star Wars, yet you keep acting like Star Wars ships would do shit against Covenant ships. Funny, even using the Sun Crusher alone would spell trouble for the Covenant Army. Just fire a resonance torpedo at the nearest sun, and watch a chain reaction destroying most of Covenant space.
A supernova destroying a solar system is not exactly destroying a large part of a galaxy. Covenant ships can burn planets and have shields, so I am good with that.
Correction: The Sun Crusher doesn't destroy solar systems as I previously thought, it causes a chain reaction that destroys STAR systems. Which means more than one sun is destroyed.
Imperial ships can burn planets, have shields, and use plasma (same as Covenant), I'm good with that.
simple, an imperial star destroyer constantly fires on a planet. The prototype of the Death Star leaves a planet inhabitable, the planet of Telos was burned with less-advanced tech (before the Galactic Civil War).
You have no tactical information. The Halo Ring has to navigate to the center of the defended SW galaxy through heavy resistance. It is fail.
It doesn't have to navigate, that is not how halo's work. They are placed at random points that provide blanketing ranges around the galaxy. They then fire and kill every organic being in the galaxy.
By being itself it doesn't kill many people. The point is the sun crusher will be pilotless when halo fires. halo goes to a random point, fires, dead. Like someone picking somewhere in space to detonate a bomb that can destroy a galaxy. It doesn't matter where it is, it kills all
The Sun Crusher would just have to fly like hell out of there. Anyway, to activate it, you have to wait awhile, and both Death Stars can take shots off of it. It isn't that hard to do since Halo only fights back with the suicide button. And since there are no enemies to combat the Death Stars, it would be even easier. Planet-sized ring + 2 Planet-destroying guns = Halo chunks.
You already forgot about the trillions of sentinals? For shame. The death stars wouldn't stand a chance. The thing you seem to forget is that the SW guys wouldn't know that halo had fired until it does. They don't suddenly go 'My apocolypse sense is tingling' and arrive by halo. That is the point you seem to miss.
You already forgot about the endless amount of ships produced by the Star Forge? For shame. The Death Stars would taken out capital ships and the Halo Rings themselves. The thing you forget is Halo guys wouldn't know what the Sun Crusher or Death Star do until it's too late and their ships explode. They don't suddenly go 'My star system apocolypse sense is tingling" or 'My throat is being choked by thin air sense is tingling'(Another bad thing to being in charge of activating Halo).
We have been over this so many times it is painful. The star forge would be destroyed pretty damn quickly. Not many ships would be made. No threat.
By that time in a war people tend to know their enemy. Once again you are avioding the point. The death stars would not know halo was even there. I have won. Seeing as for the last several comments you have been danvcing around the issue, it can only be that you have nothing left that could stop me.
Yes, we have been through this quickly, seeing as you like to refer sometimes to the timeline, it may help noting that the Star Forge was built thousands of years before the Death Stars were even thought of.
The Death Stars would know the Halos are there since the ring would be as plain as day to see. Also, it may be better if Halo were in the center of the universe, and I'm pretty sure that's even easier to see. Just wondering, what ever happened to an all-out battle?
Your point being, the 2nd death star was built because the first 1 was destroyed. That only hurts your argument. There is no day without stars. They would never find something planet sized in the middle of space far from anything. The halo's don't need to be at the centre of the galaxy, so they are safer elsewhere.
An all out battle would be fun, but I could only give you death by trillions of sentinls.
Amazing..."In later levels of Halo 2, Sentinel Majors with personal energy shields and a more powerful blue beam makes their debut, through all Sentinels are easily destroyed by plasma weapons."
So a plasma-based faction would be destroyed by a anti-plasma faction?
The Death Star doesn't have to fire on a planet, capital ships take less of a recharge time. Seeing as you use ships that have been destroyed, it is safe to use both Death Stars.
"It has only been seen on the Forerunner artificial world known as Onyx, which was actually comprised of trillions of the machines."-Halopedia
So a Death Star's main weapon with a distance of "47,060,000 km" that destroys planet-sized things won't destroy it? I don't know...the second Death Star was only around 160 km...but 47 million km would be quite a distance to be detected.
So Imperial ships have never burned a planet? That reminds me...
"Base Delta Zero was the naval code used by the Sith Empire, Galactic Republic, and Confederacy of Independent Systems to order the complete surface destruction of a planetary target, eliminating all life, industry, and natural resources."-wookiepedia
"...orbital bombardment, either reducing the upper crust of a planet to molten slag or atomizing the planet's top-soil."-wookiepedia
The are destroyable by rifts to an alternate dimension. Wow, big woop, they are not exactly common.. In fact, since the halo wars ships were not keyships it is unknown if a supernova could destroy them.
"Since Halo wars hips were not keyships it is unknown if a supernova could destroy them."
So a UNSC ship is not affected by the collasping sun even if it produces a major explosion? Lol, Halo ships are affected by supernovas if the thought-to-be-advanced ships the Spirit of Fire destroyed with a SUPERNOVA.
The ships were made by the same race but that is it. It is like saying a longsword and a pelican are destroyed by the same thing because they are both human made.
Enemy craft, lol. There were 2 destroyed and one damaged by the falcon randomly joining the fight. One was even the ship of darth Vader. It has no shield on its own, one has to be projected from elsewhere.
How do you think the FORERUNNER dreadnought used as truths flagship was there if the forerunners didn't make these.
There were more than 4 TIE fighters, in fact the whole area was surrounded by them. That's why despite all the X-Wings and Y-Wings that could have taken the shot, Luke has to contend with 3 while everyone else was preoccupied.
"It has no shield on its own, one has to be projected from elsewhere"
What makes you think the Empire would leave the Death Star by Endor? It seems obvious they would move the shielding over after they finished CONSTRUCTING the Death Star.
So all of those tiefighters couldn't fight of abou 10 rebellion ships. That really isn't good. The death star may have shelding after being finished, although the first 1 didn't so that is your assumption.
Death Star 1 destroys Earth (shocker...) and the explosion takes out or almost takes out the space stations surrounding the ex-planet. The UNSC fleet comes, and the Malevolence fires an ion cannon at the stream of UNSC ships. Those ships are shut off, and for no reason...Death Star 2 fires at the bulk of the fleet just for kicks.
Death Star 1 fires and destroys main ship for covenant (The Holy City at the start of Halo 2), the explosion should take out near cov flagships. Malevolence at a far distance, would fire the ion cannon and it would increase enough to shut down all cov flagships...then they aim for the Halo Rings with the second Death Star, and use the Malevolence on the Index or wherever the main weapon's computers are.
They can actually do a lot more. In the Halo Wars trailer, a plasma shot killed a marine. Also, if you are able to kill many full-health enemies with 1 plasma sword...lightsabers will just be devastating to the covenant since Jedi and Sith wield them.
That is as random as the one case of a lightsaber going through a driodeka with shield. Doesn't happen in-game in halo wars or 1-3. Isolated incidents don't prove anything.
Well, it wasn't a freak thing in Star Wars. In Battlefront 2, Jedi don't stab with the lightsaber so the blade isn't directly going through it. Besides, the Clone Wars series is by Lucas himself, so it wasn't random.
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HeyIneedJuggernog 7 months ago
Guys come on. For all you saying star wars is better and there ships are better and they would beat halo without them being able to fight back well try putting up a death star against all the halo rings...... yeah thats what i thought........
Adam32110 8 months ago
@Adam32110 We also have whats called the world devastators, sun crusher, star forge, Galaxy Gun. Ohh and Darth Nihilus=)
CountTambor21 8 months ago
hey star wars ships beats halo ships by far i mean ARC-170 v bansheed arcs have 2 gun banshees 1 seat arc 3 seats i mean on infantry ships are better than 1 of halos cruisers
ninjawars123 11 months ago
This was hilarious!
Please, guys, the Star Wars vs Star Trek is enough! Each universe has its own perks, downsides, science, characters and means of going about telling their unique stories. Personally, Halo is my favorite, because it just is. I don't care if the Death Star could obliterate the Covenant. Just understand that because Halo is just a video games with some *couchbadlywrittencough* books means that there isn't a strong fanbase of people who actually know what's going on in the story
wellsley117 11 months ago
This is why SW > Halo..
1) SW conquered the whole galaxy and other small nearby galaxies
2) In SW there were huge factions that controlled all the galaxie, imagine the power, size and technology that it takes.
3) SW has the tech to build the death star.
4)They have discovered the force..
On the other hand...
1) Halo still uses bullets.
2) Only a few hundred solar systems are involved
3) Halo got most of it's technology ideas from SW and ST.
4)Halo is just a game series!
Edge123455 1 year ago
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Actually, Halo got most of its ideas from Marathon.Look it up.Just because its sci fi doesnt mean it copied star wars.And in truth, it could be said that star wars took many ideas from older sci fi series
zeratul1356 8 months ago
0o0
shadowvader1950 1 year ago
wow very good job, and considering you said Painstakenly Made, very very good job, i konw how you that feels
mikethe4th 1 year ago
star wars owns people plus if all else fails THE FORCE .........or chucknorris
yazzieAZ 1 year ago
2006 and they released the halowars tralier
Redalertnoobie 1 year ago
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ATENCION SIMPATISANTES DE HALO CE ANDO RECLUTANDO MIEMBROS PARA MI CLAN WARDOUGS SI LES GUASTARIA SER PARTE DE MI CLAN AQUI ESTA EL CORREO : ANGELDEVILDARK@HOTMAIL.COM SOLO LOS MEJORES EN ESTRATEJIA Y COMBATE SERAN ASEPTADOS
TheYonathan12 1 year ago
In halo empire at war space mod(still real star wars) there r sips so powerful u can destroy mostly anything with them the Super star destroyers are 1 example. There are a least 4 SSDs in the empires control. The rebels even have there own! The eclipse is like a more powerful miniature of the death star.
arthasmenithl 1 year ago
Man, idc which one's better, Halo and Star Wars FTW!
RushVeros 1 year ago
chief owns jedi/sith owns death star sucks reaaaaal bad it gets owned by like 6 fighters and master chief always has.... the battle rifle xD
halofreak5002 1 year ago
@halofreak5002
If that's the case then halo 04 suck worse because it was taken down by one dude and some hand grenades.... XD
blacksun2175 1 year ago
are people forgetting something? what about the dark matter bomb? i mean the death star is nice and all but what is it really but a ball that cough cough had some rebels in like 10 small ships to destroy. what makes the match up really great tho is the fact that the two cultures are so different but people are forgetting that star wars is run by a bunch of rebels now and they have no death star and halo still has the combined strength of the UNSC and the Covy. where as the empire is destroyed.
andyvici1 1 year ago
@andyvici1 i think the arguement about these 2 meeting is about everything both sides have to offer meaning every bad ass thing about each side in one era and if that is the case star wars wins and if you go by era the sith empire, old republic, new republic,and the empire beat halo post empire i dont know
BUTCHERIHS 1 year ago
@andyvici1 The Empire was never completey destroyed. It managed to rebuild itself many times. As far as i'm aware now it is currently lead by the sith lord Darh Krayt.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath i dont want to correct you but wasnt krayt killed and another sith is now in control?
1993Conner 1 year ago
@1993Conner I don't know since i don't own the books myself. I just searched it on Wookiepedia and it said that he was killed and resurrected and that his empire still stands. So I guess that he's in control.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath it appears we are both wrong krayts most trusted advisor darth wyyrlok is currently in control as darth krayt was killed during a skirmish on had abbadon
1993Conner 1 year ago
@1993Conner It said that he was later resurrected after Had Abbadon so he's still alive.
onlypeaceindeath 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath oh it did? see i just read the synopsis.
1993Conner 1 year ago
@onlypeaceindeath wait..... that means i wasnt wrong. lol
1993Conner 1 year ago
Unsc has GOD
Halomaster4life1 1 year ago
The d-star can't fit In the portal to the ark thus leaving it out of the fight
Halomaster4life1 1 year ago
All u have to do is put ur hand on a pad and it's by by life
Halomaster4life1 1 year ago
Godammit why don't we let the covenant activate the halo array and destroy all sentinant life in the galaxy. Logical isn't it :)
Halomaster4life1 1 year ago
how the fuck quiet is this... upload with ya voulme turned on properly man... hells sake
axom20 1 year ago
visit my channell!
Guggaleunnam 1 year ago
One Jedi can Fuck out all your elites and chief.......
onehitok 1 year ago
Elites would OWN Clones very hard. Also, Energy Sword vs. Lightsaber would be awesome.
Starscream3352 1 year ago
i think its HILARIOUS!
Alex2149 2 years ago
not so cool as it sounds
The105ODST 2 years ago
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krazyk9947 2 years ago
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@krazyk9947 u guys relly do watch to much sw and play way to much damn halo really do somthing productive and plz do not nerd fight with me i hate fat fucks who do that plz go out side and get out of ur moms basements!!!!!!!!!!!!
imsocool105 2 years ago
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How many times have ya'll watch star wars and played halo. God damn ya'll have no lives get out you fat fucks.
krazyk9947 2 years ago
rofl star wars owns fucking kiddos
jackofblades94 2 years ago 3
awsome vid nice 1
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emporerryan 2 years ago
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halo wins cause theve got the flood and the spartans all together. and the aliens would just glass the death star simple!
the flood would infect the clones and they would kill all the jedi reply if you star wars nerds disagree
goblinglider01 2 years ago
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every one instead blowing up planet or about the ships, death star and all that crap talk about the ground units like clone troopers storm troopers spartans elites
ODSTs Superbattle droids I think the spartans will win in my taste
PS: dont start an arguement
jjlupas11 2 years ago
Are you sure?
An acclamator troop TRANSPORT, has a power output of 200 trillion gigawatts (AoTc:AmazingCrossections)
The unyielding hierophant uses generators that peak output of 512 terawatts(Halo:FirstStrike)
The Covernant would need 136,718,750 reactors stationed throughout the station to match the single pre-imperial transport.
The 70 Trillion gigawatt shield heat dissipation acclamator, will make you spend 6140 bombs against it, cause it only has a yield of 27 gigatons(halopedia)
dren999 2 years ago 10
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OrganicPsychosis 2 years ago
@dren999 Wow ;DD
G4rb0han 1 year ago
3 Death Star vs 100,000 Nova + All Sith + All Jedi vs 10,000 Nova Star Wars VS Halo
Star Wars is Victory
xanakinx22 2 years ago 4
the covenant city high charity has a big enough fleet to destroy everything without breaking a sweat + the human fleet so halo wins
ShadowsDemon685 2 years ago
halos better
nooblaster 2 years ago
Clones can beat the shunt out of spartans.
BARCtroop 2 years ago 2
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there armor is to strong for blasters and their shields just add to that
ShadowsDemon685 2 years ago
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spartan lasers, battle rifle , hornets ,spirit of fire,glassing halo would send the clones running for their boyfreinds
goblinglider01 2 years ago
spartan will kill the clones or watever like nothing
x818hovox 2 years ago
look i grew up with Star wars, i loved it so much that when i was only 7 i made my self darth maul's special lightsaber but when it comes to video games Halo conquers so one owns movies, the other video games = yin and yang
Surfing4like 2 years ago
GO HALO
michaelm0522 2 years ago
The DEATH STAR can destroy ahole planet in 1 single shot, so when theres a war when theres halo vs star wars. ''BOOM''. star wars wins.
manilagirl74 2 years ago
A single NOVA warhead can destroy a planet in seconds, and there were 3 prototypes on Reach and they were assembled in a few hours.
2 deathstars VS 10,000 Nova nuclear warheads (Factory is on a human colony) and 200,000 SHIVA nuclear warheads and Scorpion tactical nuclear mines.
Starwars is screwed.
ClydeE247 2 years ago
better than those 300 trailers.
skitzless 2 years ago
What is the point of this?
cajairo187 2 years ago
awesome!!
covenantborder 2 years ago
amazing
Gnomanater 2 years ago
halo has a way to win. Halo forces go into the fortress gaurded by sentinels in shield world. The so called bomb shelter of the halo effect. Activate the rings whipe out everything. Unless there is more forerunner tech i dont know about Star Wars would win by sheer numbers of the empire
ctlex3 2 years ago
The Malevolence can be used on the sentinels that even decide to get close, the Malevolence shuts down all enemy ships or droids that use anything electric based. Then, the Death Stars (the Tarkin and Galaxy Gun included) fire on the shielded world, or the Sun Crusher is used to create a chain of supernovas in the stars surrounding the shield world. If there is no sun available, use Centerpoint Station to move the planet near a star, and run like hell! Or CP station can be used to move rings.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
this can only be assuming that SW knows the plans to do this and gets there in time to use malevolance. I am not sure how the shield world described at the end of Onyx would fare vs Death Star. I assume it could destroy it but it isnt a conventional planet. It actually exist outside conventional space almost like a portal into a larger world so I am unsure on how it would be destroyed. Perhaps remove the sentinels and breach the world to get in. The true shield world inst the planet
ctlex3 2 years ago
oh I did forget to add one thing Halo has one weapon that matches the destructive power of the Death Star. Nova Nuclear Warhead. It can destroy a planet or a very very large fleet of ships. I think it was first revealed in the book First Strike a good read if you want a good sci fi book
ctlex3 2 years ago
"So the rough estimation for the NOVA Bomb may be around that of a twenty-seven gigaton yield blast."
That's it? A common Imperial turbolaser has a yield blast of 25 million terawatts. 1 Gigawatt = 1 billion watts. 1 Terawatt = 1 trillion watts, and it has 25,000,000 of them. As for planet killers...Death Star 1 & 2, the Tarkin, Galaxy Gun, and Sun Crusher. The Sun Crusher creates a chain of supernovas...so it destroys many planets. It creates a supernova in less than a second...
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
"this can only be assuming that SW knows the plans to do this and gets there in time to use malevolence"
Well, that's if any of the 7 Halo Rings can survive a Death Star shot as well, it doesn't have to be charged because a Halo Ring is smaller and obviously not as dense as a planet. The Malevolence can be used against the others though...As for the Onyx world, the Onyx sentinels are electric, which makes them victim to the Malevolence.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Im just saying its a weapon on par with the damage death star can deal. So many people say nothing in Halo can destroy a planet. Just pointing out they are wrong. And seriously to guess on watts. And you missed my point on onyx after the sentinels were removed. Could the Deathstar directly assualt it or would a ground force have to try to work its way into a portal? The planet inside the portal probably exist in a different space
ctlex3 2 years ago
"its a weapon on par with the damage death star can deal."
It's a bomb that not only is limited by speed, but I highly doubt even 200 of them exist...Besides, who will defend it before it detonates on the planet?
As for the watts, I got my SW turbolaser calcs from StarDestroyer(dot)net(and it's 2.5 million, not 25 million, my bad). For the NOVA bomb, halopedia was the source...As for the portal, block anything coming in or out...and what's the point of using the rings?
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
I believe I said the death star has the advantage beacuase a beam is faster then a missle. But I like that the bomb could be deployed by anyship. Making it somewhat more versitile and could be delivered more stealth like. It would be used in a different tactical manner. So maybe Halo could create better guerilla tactics and the SW would be more straight foward strenghted.
ctlex3 2 years ago
Well, I don't know what ship the NOVA bomb was fired from. It would have to be fired from the same ship...it's hard to tell when the quantity of the bomb wasn't told. Seeing as it's limited to a certain ship, it can't be fired from like a scarab or something.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
The funniest part about using NOVA Bombs, is that hardly any were even made. Halopedia even says: "Only a handful of these enormously powerful weapons have ever been made in the history of the UNSC."
Even funnier to note, on this Halo Vs. Star Wars message board, the Halo side had to purposely lower the canon amounts of energy in SW weapons and numbers of units. A little thing to remember...
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
As for the debate over Onyx, I would bet my money on either a combination of the Death Star and the Eclipse, or the Death Star 2 on it's own. The Eclipse, having to align itself with it's target (well Onyx is planet-sized), it is capable of shooting a superlaser 2/3 as power as the first Death Star. It even stats on wookiepedia that the superlaser can destroy even the most strongest planetary shields. Or a small DS2 shot, and a bigger one ought to do it.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Remember though, it isn't a planet, it's a lot of smaller things put together and it can sometimes behave as one thing.
TheSc0urge 2 years ago
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yeah but humans and the covenant do not rely on bacta energy and the shadow of intent assault carrier could glass right throught the malevolence
ShadowsDemon685 2 years ago
LOL it takes at least 30 some odd covenant ships to glass a planet in 12 hours it takes one Acclamator the same time to MELT the crust of a planet.
So 1 troop transport in starwars has the firepower of more than 30 covenant vessels.
LOL
blacksun2175 2 years ago 6
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To be honestly, sometimes I wonder if they exaggerate the firepower.You watch any of the movies or shows, I have yet to see anything that could melt the crust on a planet.Realisticly, it would depend on the planet and its crust.And I could hardly see laser canons doing a whole lot to the planet.Not to mention I find it hardly realistic that one transport could do that much damage.But then again, star wars isnt realistic(halo takes the more realism approach)
zeratul1356 8 months ago
Damn, Spankdamonkey, you have some dumbass arguments. Like a Lightsaber not being able to penetrate his shields. Bullshit, mate. A plasma sword can penetrate his shield and one has almost taken his arm off. As for your idea of moving the Halos through slipspace that was freaking dumb. Did you take into account that the Halos would have to have slipspace drives of their own to maintain the journey across the void between galaxies. Did you think of galactic drift?
EvilCleric 2 years ago
I know I'm probably crowding the posting space, and well it was a long debate, so I'll show where spankdamonkey117 didn't get right:
-Jedi face smaller targets (MagnaGuards are 1.93m and definitely thinner), and they can fight back.
-Ashoka's technique can definitely work since even in Halo, no one freakin' stabs with the sword! Besides, many Jedi carry more than 1 lightsaber.
-1 trillion electronic, onyx sentinels against a large ship capable of powering down everything in it's huge path?
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
-How are plasma swords better than a lightsaber if you can't use more than 50% of it? Your hand can only be in one spot, unlike a lightsaber.
-ISDs and other ships have been known to burn a planet with intense firepower.
-The battlefield of the two won't be in open space, not enough room unless they cram together, and then Malevolence owns.
-Malevolence affects anything with electricity and elctromagnetic devices, Covenant is screwed as well, just a fact of life.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Here is something else interesting that I've proposed, thanks to halopedia (capitalized for emphasis):
"A Sentinel is an ancient Forerunner-constructed automated ELECTRONIC construct"
"Some Sentinels are equipped with Energy Shields, though all Sentinels can be easily destroyed by PLASMA WEAPONS,"
Since we know SW uses plasma mostly, and the Malevolence cancels all electric anything, probably just one ion shot from the Malevolence is required (they expand with time and don't lose power).
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
If I haven't convinced you before electromagnetic devices will be powered down by the Malevolence, this should (I capitalized for emphasis):
From the Star Wars Complete Cross-Sections (about Droid Starfighters):
"Thrust dampers ELECTROMAGNETICALLY vector propulsion"
(about Republic Cruisers):
"ELECTROMAGNETIC plates at nozzle bend thrust streams to steer ship"
These two types of ships were caught in the Malevolence's ion cannon, and keep in mind that both had everything turned off by it.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
And to consider...
"Death by trillions of sentinels"
Against
"The cost in lives were staggering ; the numbers of deaths over the known galaxy were estimated at about 365 trillion sentinels."
That's not including before the invasion, the fact that the Yuuzhan Vong became allies, the EU Empire, and the many years following the war.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Oh, and since you don't want it to be an all-out battle where everyone in each faction knows the enemy's firepower...it depends on who attacks first and when.
If SW attacked unsuspecting UNSC: Death Star and Sun Crusher.
If SW attacked unsuspecting Cov: Death Stars, Malevolence, and Sun Crusher.
If UNSC attacked unsuspecting SW: Malevolence would be hidden from fire until ion cannon fired.
If Cov attacked unsuspecting SW: Flagships have no known weps, and Halo Ring would be alternative.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Fair enough, but my way results in the ultimate death of the star wars galaxy.
Pretty much I claim ultimate victory. I may reply to comments after this but only to see if you have something interesting to propose. Your alternatives would imply a fair fight. I just found a sneaky, irritating way to win.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
You would only "win" if you told the results of an all-out war. I would still bet money on Star Wars since they have similar weapons, and have populations over trillions. I guess that's what you get when you have over 1 million planets conquered by the Empire, and the galaxy where the Yuuzhan Vong came from (filled with droids).
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
I did tell the results lol. The complete destruction of star wars life.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
That's IF halo can stand 2 shots that are each capable of blowing up a planet, and Halo is like a hollow ring that is the circumference of one.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Oh, and a little something to add, of those scenarios of Star Wars vs. Halo, Star Wars won 3/4. The Covenant would be taken down if a Death Star shot fired on High Charity. Still, I enjoy Halo a lot(most for the games), I just feel differently in space battles against other science fictions.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Evidence that Star Wars would win(to end this debate, hopefully):
-An endless amount of ships from the Star Forge is more than a trillion ships.
- Supernovas are capable of destroying flag and keyships.
-The Sun Crusher's torpedoes cause a supernova chain reaction that destroys star systems without being noticed.
- The Malevolence would make short work of ships with electrical equipment.
-Both Death Stars will destroy large capital ships and planets used by Halo factions.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
By the way, this debate has been interesting and everything but I know how to end it. The trillions of sentinals would destroy anything and everything in the star wars universe. The only thing you could argue may survive is the suncrusher, and the activation of halo in the SW universe would kill its pilots, rendering it harmless.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
"The trillions of sentinals woulddestroy anything and everything in the star wars universe..."
Apart from the Malevolence shutting down millions (maybe trillions since there are ion cannons on both sides), the Sun Crusher destroying the star system Halo is in, as well as the trillions of ships...without being affected itself, or activating Halo would result the nearest faction, which would be Halo factions. Oh, and the Star Forge could create an ENDLESS amount of ships. Endless > trillions.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Halo can travel in slipspace, that is how they were placed around the galaxy. Only 1 person is needed to activate it and the halo factions could easily be far away. Millions does not go to trillions. By the way, they are so small and fast they need never be hit. One going into main cannon = boom. They can slipspace jump next to it and do that. Destroy the star forge = no more problem very simple.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Star Wars has hyperspace, which is even faster than the speed of light (not surprised if slipspace is faster than speed of light). One person may be needed, but who will defend Halo from a Death Star showing up, or an invasion? Halo factions need to DEFEND the Halo until the long process of galaxy elimination is complete. The Star Forge says endless, not millions. They aren't even small, you think 2m < 1.83m...Destroying the star forge is hard when defended by endless ships.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
It needs time to make those ship. There would be none when it was first found, and we already know it would not just work for people.
Sentinals could destroy death star and invasion and the death star. The advantage of halo is that you can pick a random point in space that is untrackable for the time it takes to fire and destroy all star wars life. And the best thing is it does not kill machines, so sentinels are still active after, as well as halo forces out of galaxy
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Since the Star Forge would probably not be destroyed the second it was made...then it will have time to make ships.
Sentinels won't be able to survive many shots able to destroy them. Death Star 2 is able to not use as much power and time to destroy smaller things (smaller than a planet).
A random area in space not trackable? The Star Wars galaxy's area is known to all with the million+ planets and the 4 billion species. Hiding is not even much of a space battle.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
They are slightly bigger than the flying robots in the games. The death star would have a fun time trying to track them.
It does not have to be a assive battle. I have shown you 2 ways that the star wars galaxy could be utterly destroyed. The halo way is pretty cowardly but could work amazingly well with minimal loss of halo life. Or the sentinals could just rape everthing. Either way I don't mind.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
I'll let you on a little secret, the entire surface of both Death Stars have turrets capable of taking out fast ships, and they aren't really small (small enough to go within the inner workings of the second Death Star, but they were scraping the surfaces). As for the Halo universe hiding, it can't be within the galaxy which is larger than the Milky Way, so they have to detonate it on their place. Just for the SC to be unfair, supernova the area the Cov and UNSC control.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Yet 10 ships bigger and less armoured and with worse weaponery destroyed it and were not destroyyed mostly by these turrrets but a few fighters? Thaat is a contradiction a bit.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
The 10 bombers were led by Anakin Skywalker (I doubt a Marine is sensitive to the Force lol), and several of them were taken out. As for being bigger than Halo ships, that is untrue. The smallest thing Halo has are Banshees and Hornets. The torpedoes also had to be fired while the ship was loading the ion cannon against a medical station that distracted Grievous. If Grievous went for Skywalker first, they would have been all caught. Also, the turrets were designed to take out larger ships.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
I meant bigger than the sentinals, which are smaller than hornets or banshees.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Sentinels aren't as fast, odd...
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
They are, in fact, faster.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
The halo's could move around a bit, laying waste to different parts of the star wars galaxy if you really want. The end result is the same. The halo guys would be in the star wars unibverse by that time to the ship would supernovaing its own allies in a search for the unsc
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Once the halo ring is activated, everything is destroyed, including the ring itself. You could have to rely on other halo rings spread out in different parts of the Halo galaxy. The Sun Crusher won't be "supernova-ing" its own allies because as plain as obvious:
The Star Wars Galaxy is much bigger and completely different than the Halo universe which takes place in the Milky Way Galaxy where it says the Covenant also occupied part of.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
The ring itself is not destroyed. Only a damaged or incomplete ring does that. Where did you get that?
That is what I was saying, murder different parts of the galaxy at a time.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Meh, I don't know. Where did you get the part about destroying parts of the galaxy? It destroys everything in the galaxy at once. Besides, it can be destroyed...
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Yes, but space is infinitely massive. It is kind of a bitch, but the thing is a death star or sun cruhser need to be near a star or planet to cause massive carnage.
A halo can be anywhere. Untrackable, instant, catastrophic loss of life.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
The Sun Crusher can fly straight through Halo...it only causes star systems to basically "collaspe" and can go through any shield (preferably the control rooms).The Death Star doesn't have to be near a star to cause damage, all it has to do is be itself. The Battle of Endor wasn't near a star, only a planet because that was the TEMPORARY spot to place the shield generator.
Halo is limited to well, apparently flying through the main reactor of a ship can be devastating.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
The Death Star doesn't need to be near a star (obviously), and it is only used on planets to show fear. The second Death Star destroyed capital ships retreating from the shielded monster. It would make short work of UNSC and Covenant ships. As for the Malevolence not working on UNSC ships, I've seen a lot of electrical equipment in the bridge of Miranda Keyes ship. It even turned off the engines of a Republic Cruiser, and I doubt they use electric engines...
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
it would only work on UNSC ships, as I said.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Yeah...that's where I still doubt you. They turn off any ship systems on any ships. Also, with the ability of the radius to increase without decreasing power, it can devastate much of the UNSC and Covenant. I doubt the Republic ships or even Droid ships use pure electricity, yet they were victims.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
So they deactivate systems powered by steam and wind up toys? Unless the answer is yes than they would not be disabled because ONLY THE UNSC USE ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT AT ALL.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
I'm sure those toys and steam engines are safe, but the Covenant isn't powered by steam pressure and wind up toys. They don't physically move the ship either. The fact that the ships have systems that control the power of the ship signifies their doom. Well, it's fun to know anyway that MC is stuck on an UNSC ship while everyone else is dying as well with the lack of life support systems.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
The SW guys and the covenant both use plasma, but you assume far too much that the ships work in the same way. They work extremely differently.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
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And for the sake of the argument, how do they differ?
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
The fact that the Covenant use plasma for their ships doesn't matter. Republic Cruisers use plasma as well, and well...how did that go for them(Since you didn't actually see the episode by your lack of knowledge for the episodes...probably looked it up on wookiepedia)? The Republic Cruisers had no ability to move their ship, only the launch pods could deploy and they eventually ran out too. Amazing what a large ion cannon will do.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Oh and for the Star Forge being useless:
"The Star Forge drew energy and matter from a nearby star which, when combined with the power of the Force, was capable of creating an endless supply of ships, droids, and other war material."
So an endless supply of ships is useless? Even if it completely dwarfs Forerunner, UNSC, Covenant, and other factions of ships.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
I know all of that, I am sayng the star forge does not serve anyone. It uses them for its own motives, and was evenually destroyed because of this.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Quote from halopedia:
"Before they had a chance to use them, the crew of Spirit of Fire decided to destroy the ships and the shield world by making the artificial sun of the planet go supernova.
As a result, all the ships inside the planet were destroyed by the massive explosion."
So the DS may not be able to survive a supernova either, but the Sun Crusher produces supernovas. Funny, the Sun Crusher can make those happen.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Oh, and the ships mentioned in the quote are Keyships, somewhat similar to the Prophet of Truth's flagship. So yeah....
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
It's a tetrahedral in form, and there were originally about 80 made...but the "Librarian" who had them had decided to destroy them...all but 1.
According to your logic they could not have been keyships because only 1 survived. They were just warships, which look nothing like truths flagship in halo 3.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
This quote should help:
"At the Battle of the Maginot Sphere, the Didact was in command of multiple Keyships, although near the end, when the Forerunners began generating Slipspace ruptures to destabilize the battlefield and destroy Flood craft, Keyships were recklessly piloted near rifts, destroying them. However, at least one Keyship would survive the war, and be rediscovered later by the Covenant."
As for the other quote, they were similar to the keyship.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
No they were not similar. Physically go on google images or youtube and look at them both. You will see what I mean.
They keyships are only destroyed by slipspace ruptures, similar to black holes. The same way the suncrusher was stopped.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
The sun crusher was only destroyed because the owner of it had purposely driven it into one using the Force (Yeah, a Jedi used it and was able to control it without even being in it). So unless the owner decides to drive it into a black hole, no luck.
As for the keyships, the people who found them were going to use them against the UNSC, but couldn't due to the supernova. A supernova would destroy the Prophet of Truth's flagship...it's the power of a sun collasping.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Those were not keyships, they are not even the right shape. Keyship as in able to unlock the portal to the ark. That is a keyship and those could not do that.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Keyships were destroyed by rifts during the Battle of Maginot Sphere. One of the only to survive was later piloted by the Prophet of Truth, which means they are destroyable. It also is possible if no one can get to the ship, much like the Sun Crusher's being out of commission. Besides, how does being able to travel to the Ark in a portal help in a space battle? Ion Cannon against a keyship would mean flying tetrahedral of junk.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
It does not use electronics. THat is another thing I forgot to mention. The ion cannon fries electronics so only the unsc get affected. Covenant and forerunner machines or ships= no problem
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
"Cortana used this to her advantage to the captured Covenant Flagship Ascendant Justice by reconfiguring the electromagnetic shaping coils..."
I don't know, but isn't electromagnetic a type of electricity? Ouch...
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
No it isn't actually, it's a type of energy. By the way in that part of the book the ascendant justice had been attached to the gettysburg, a unsc ship, and she was using the coils on the gettyburg mac gun to improve the ascendant justice plasma torpedos. Nice try, but I remember that bit in the book so bad luck.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Did you not read the part of "electromagnetic"? It still applies to electromagnetic. Funny, in the episode "Rising Malevolence" of the Clone Wars series, those little trivia boxes came up and one of them mentioned the launch pod Plo Koon entered, and it said "The launch pods' launch energy is separate from the actual ship's" or something like that. It says power as well. The covenant will fall victim if their power and electromagnetic technology is hit. Same with the UNSC.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Their power is plasma. The electromagnetic technology is used to shape the plasma torpedos, the ships themselves would be fine.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
The same as Star Wars, yet you keep acting like Star Wars ships would do shit against Covenant ships. Funny, even using the Sun Crusher alone would spell trouble for the Covenant Army. Just fire a resonance torpedo at the nearest sun, and watch a chain reaction destroying most of Covenant space.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
A supernova destroying a solar system is not exactly destroying a large part of a galaxy. Covenant ships can burn planets and have shields, so I am good with that.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Correction: The Sun Crusher doesn't destroy solar systems as I previously thought, it causes a chain reaction that destroys STAR systems. Which means more than one sun is destroyed.
Imperial ships can burn planets, have shields, and use plasma (same as Covenant), I'm good with that.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
When has a single imperial ship ever burned a planet.
You are still missing the point. Using the tactic I have come up with the star wars universe is destroyed. End of.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
simple, an imperial star destroyer constantly fires on a planet. The prototype of the Death Star leaves a planet inhabitable, the planet of Telos was burned with less-advanced tech (before the Galactic Civil War).
You have no tactical information. The Halo Ring has to navigate to the center of the defended SW galaxy through heavy resistance. It is fail.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
It doesn't have to navigate, that is not how halo's work. They are placed at random points that provide blanketing ranges around the galaxy. They then fire and kill every organic being in the galaxy.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
By being itself it doesn't kill many people. The point is the sun crusher will be pilotless when halo fires. halo goes to a random point, fires, dead. Like someone picking somewhere in space to detonate a bomb that can destroy a galaxy. It doesn't matter where it is, it kills all
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
The Sun Crusher would just have to fly like hell out of there. Anyway, to activate it, you have to wait awhile, and both Death Stars can take shots off of it. It isn't that hard to do since Halo only fights back with the suicide button. And since there are no enemies to combat the Death Stars, it would be even easier. Planet-sized ring + 2 Planet-destroying guns = Halo chunks.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
You already forgot about the trillions of sentinals? For shame. The death stars wouldn't stand a chance. The thing you seem to forget is that the SW guys wouldn't know that halo had fired until it does. They don't suddenly go 'My apocolypse sense is tingling' and arrive by halo. That is the point you seem to miss.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
You already forgot about the endless amount of ships produced by the Star Forge? For shame. The Death Stars would taken out capital ships and the Halo Rings themselves. The thing you forget is Halo guys wouldn't know what the Sun Crusher or Death Star do until it's too late and their ships explode. They don't suddenly go 'My star system apocolypse sense is tingling" or 'My throat is being choked by thin air sense is tingling'(Another bad thing to being in charge of activating Halo).
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
We have been over this so many times it is painful. The star forge would be destroyed pretty damn quickly. Not many ships would be made. No threat.
By that time in a war people tend to know their enemy. Once again you are avioding the point. The death stars would not know halo was even there. I have won. Seeing as for the last several comments you have been danvcing around the issue, it can only be that you have nothing left that could stop me.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Yes, we have been through this quickly, seeing as you like to refer sometimes to the timeline, it may help noting that the Star Forge was built thousands of years before the Death Stars were even thought of.
The Death Stars would know the Halos are there since the ring would be as plain as day to see. Also, it may be better if Halo were in the center of the universe, and I'm pretty sure that's even easier to see. Just wondering, what ever happened to an all-out battle?
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Your point being, the 2nd death star was built because the first 1 was destroyed. That only hurts your argument. There is no day without stars. They would never find something planet sized in the middle of space far from anything. The halo's don't need to be at the centre of the galaxy, so they are safer elsewhere.
An all out battle would be fun, but I could only give you death by trillions of sentinls.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
"Death by trillions of sentinels"
Amazing..."In later levels of Halo 2, Sentinel Majors with personal energy shields and a more powerful blue beam makes their debut, through all Sentinels are easily destroyed by plasma weapons."
So a plasma-based faction would be destroyed by a anti-plasma faction?
The Death Star doesn't have to fire on a planet, capital ships take less of a recharge time. Seeing as you use ships that have been destroyed, it is safe to use both Death Stars.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Lol, look up the onyx sentinals on halopedia, that's all I have to say.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
"It has only been seen on the Forerunner artificial world known as Onyx, which was actually comprised of trillions of the machines."-Halopedia
So a Death Star's main weapon with a distance of "47,060,000 km" that destroys planet-sized things won't destroy it? I don't know...the second Death Star was only around 160 km...but 47 million km would be quite a distance to be detected.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
So Imperial ships have never burned a planet? That reminds me...
"Base Delta Zero was the naval code used by the Sith Empire, Galactic Republic, and Confederacy of Independent Systems to order the complete surface destruction of a planetary target, eliminating all life, industry, and natural resources."-wookiepedia
"...orbital bombardment, either reducing the upper crust of a planet to molten slag or atomizing the planet's top-soil."-wookiepedia
So they don't do what again?
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
The are destroyable by rifts to an alternate dimension. Wow, big woop, they are not exactly common.. In fact, since the halo wars ships were not keyships it is unknown if a supernova could destroy them.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
"Since Halo wars hips were not keyships it is unknown if a supernova could destroy them."
So a UNSC ship is not affected by the collasping sun even if it produces a major explosion? Lol, Halo ships are affected by supernovas if the thought-to-be-advanced ships the Spirit of Fire destroyed with a SUPERNOVA.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
The ships were made by the same race but that is it. It is like saying a longsword and a pelican are destroyed by the same thing because they are both human made.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Since I can't find your reply, spankdamonkey117, I'll reply anyway...
"Death Star has no shields"
The whole point of the forest moon of Endor was to take out the SHIELD generator on the second Death Star.
"Death Star taken out by 2 plasma shots"
Yes, 2 plasma shots fired in a 2 meter exhaust port...that's easy to do with tons of turrets and enemy craft that can easily take you out.
"Forerunners pwning"
I looked up forerunners and all they made were the Halos (suicide machines) and artifacts.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Enemy craft, lol. There were 2 destroyed and one damaged by the falcon randomly joining the fight. One was even the ship of darth Vader. It has no shield on its own, one has to be projected from elsewhere.
How do you think the FORERUNNER dreadnought used as truths flagship was there if the forerunners didn't make these.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
There were more than 4 TIE fighters, in fact the whole area was surrounded by them. That's why despite all the X-Wings and Y-Wings that could have taken the shot, Luke has to contend with 3 while everyone else was preoccupied.
"It has no shield on its own, one has to be projected from elsewhere"
What makes you think the Empire would leave the Death Star by Endor? It seems obvious they would move the shielding over after they finished CONSTRUCTING the Death Star.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
So all of those tiefighters couldn't fight of abou 10 rebellion ships. That really isn't good. The death star may have shelding after being finished, although the first 1 didn't so that is your assumption.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
For Star Wars Vs. UNSC:
Death Star 1 destroys Earth (shocker...) and the explosion takes out or almost takes out the space stations surrounding the ex-planet. The UNSC fleet comes, and the Malevolence fires an ion cannon at the stream of UNSC ships. Those ships are shut off, and for no reason...Death Star 2 fires at the bulk of the fleet just for kicks.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Here is the scenario for Star Wars vs. Covenant=
Death Star 1 fires and destroys main ship for covenant (The Holy City at the start of Halo 2), the explosion should take out near cov flagships. Malevolence at a far distance, would fire the ion cannon and it would increase enough to shut down all cov flagships...then they aim for the Halo Rings with the second Death Star, and use the Malevolence on the Index or wherever the main weapon's computers are.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
So what if star wars uses plasma? Master Chief has killed 10'000's of targets using plasma based weapons,, it has never stopped him before.
One spartan quite literally destroyed an entire planet full of covenant and the orbiting fleet. They are far more powerful than any jedi.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
At (1:38) is a marine being killed by a plasma sword. Now, if plasma sword = lightsaber, how are lightsabers weak?
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
Lightsabers can take out 1 already injured marine? Yes I agree with that.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
They can actually do a lot more. In the Halo Wars trailer, a plasma shot killed a marine. Also, if you are able to kill many full-health enemies with 1 plasma sword...lightsabers will just be devastating to the covenant since Jedi and Sith wield them.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago
That is as random as the one case of a lightsaber going through a driodeka with shield. Doesn't happen in-game in halo wars or 1-3. Isolated incidents don't prove anything.
Spankdamonkey117 2 years ago
Well, it wasn't a freak thing in Star Wars. In Battlefront 2, Jedi don't stab with the lightsaber so the blade isn't directly going through it. Besides, the Clone Wars series is by Lucas himself, so it wasn't random.
Darthstormtrooper60 2 years ago