Listening to your rants, you give enough information about what your computer needs are and how you use your computer. Without going into any laborious rationale, you are a user and nothing more.
Therefore, as a user your only solution to your problem is not using an Apple computer. An Apple computer is geared towards users of applications and not towards the rest of the computer community.
Stay with what is simple to use and you will be happier with your final work product.
You single-handedly have sold people on Linux and possibly Ubuntu by your untruthful rantings about a subject you know nothing about.
I am a programmer and hardware engineer so I have no axe to grind with one Operating System over another. I have used them all and every one of them has their own pros and cons.
@JonHeckendorf Wishful thinking, at best. Truth is, after watching this video, I and many of my friends have left Ubuntu and LiEnucks as a whole, and have been using Windows 7 with no problems whatsoever.
Please learn how to speak English and complete your sentences. You are on live video, so stop rambling. You speak as if you missed your first 12-years of schooling.
I would like to know which school(s) you attended and who were your teachers. I am sure everyone involved in your education would be very proud of you right now.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to prefer win7 over *nix when using MS Office in conjunction with vbscript is necessary. So too if you need photoshop or any application not native to linux ...
(plus if everybody used linux I'd be out of a job fixing computers :*( )
Dude, great video. I'm with you -- I want Linux to succeed, and after Vista I can't bring myself to pay Microsoft any more money unless I get a refund for Vista (which of course ain't going to happen). Anyway, it's been almost two more years since your video. I'll check your other ones, I hope you have a newer one, too. I have Mac at work and of the three, I like Mac the most now. I don't really like the ultra-minimalist stuff, but on the whole it's better than Windows. Linux is still ...
I'm too busy to learn gimp. So I'm stuck with Photoshop. For this reason, I run Photoshop as a Virtualbox guest.
Skype client for Windows is more advanced. So I also run that in Windows Vbox.
I don't play games.
Compiz works for me. Depends on video card.
So at the end of the day, it depends on what you need your computer for. Some programs are for Windows only. An example is Quickbooks, which I run in Virtualbox too.
Everything else I need, is on Linux, and they all work perfectly.
welll my 10 y old brothers son is running ubuntu 11.10 atm so he can work on it depens what do you want to achieve. Linux crashes hmmm. funny as windows 7 is a rip off from ubuntu. hehe /usr/lib hahah mate you have no clue sorry...
@ljscott1990 early versions had commands like ls df or with dir flags which you could find only in linux/unix like systems. Beta version had even kernel panic. sorry but that explains a lot to me. After vista they just could not go that good without third party software. gui is gui and stable system is a stable system. Not enough time too many improvements. This is just my opinion and you can thing whatever you like free world.
This all comes down to what you want to do. Having a win and linux machine is the solution for most of us, although I get much more frustrated with my windows machine with all the crap you gotta do to keep it running and man is it slow. So Linux will be the future however. I started using Linux back in 2000 and now twelves years later the improvements have been exponential. Honestly we don't want Linux to be too easy to use, it keeps the monkeys and corporate culture away.
LiveCD automatically added my all in one printer on boot. Tested and working. And I didn't look at compatibility, I actually didn't even personally purchase it. People are stuck in the past.
This is the result of a crappy machine running a crappy operating system... If Windows was so great you wouldn't be messing with Linux... Invest in a Mac and I assure you that you wont be complaining anymore. Windows will also give you problems on problems too... But im more than sure you know that already.
Not that I am huge fan of Apple products.. Although I do like the base of the Macpro if it was cheaper and more affordable You are right.. If you got such a great system why did he work with integrated graphics card.. If your system is slow linux will be slow depending on the desktop environment .. He would have got Compiz or Unity working with a decent graphics card.. although I think if he stuck with the opensource driver compiz would have worked too
The problem linux has is all the damn fanboys that are bitching and being a dick to everyone who has an opinion or something constructive to say against linux software.
It's like they don't understand that this is exactly what linux needs. More constructive feedback. Instead of all the fanboy shit. There are just way too many of these fanboys and butt-lickers saying "oh everything works. and if you prefer the windows way, you're a retarded moron". I mean, just look at the thumbs down bar here.
@MrDemilord I don't read your messages, nor do I think you are a fanboy,(until I saw this one). Because you felt the need to defend yourself even though I didn't attack you at all.
I was speaking in general.
Anyway, a typical linux fanboy is a person who thinks open and free are the only good choices, windows and mac are no-no topics, a person who doesn't want to be geeky or tweak and customize are a fucking retard, and there you have like 75 percent of the linux community. The sad, sad truth.
@blackoutworm Because he is spreading lies.. he tried ubuntu and ubuntu does not equal linux.. Linux is way more then that.. Linux is about choice.. you got multiple distro's see distrowatch. com If you got problems with something there are multiple ways to get support.. And support does change with distro's ... You cannot say linux sucks.. You should come with valid arguments.. And neither the comments except for security which I agree with are valid
@blackoutworm I don't know if you skimmed through the comments (atleast the current ones) but that is not what is going on. Read some of lala51750 comments. He is also LiEnucksFails4 I believe.
But the best office suite I know for linux is SoftMaker Office.
And I do agree. Even though I usually try to work around things, I still hate nerding and tweaking. But I like linux, and I want it to be the best. And it actually is the best choice if you can get everything to work just fine.
I use photoshop and other adobe software in Wine and that works fine for me.
Adobe Audition, Dreamweaver, Flash and Fireworks does work better under wine than in windows.
Your experience with ubuntu does not make it valid for linux in general... Once you tried a decent distro.. And read the release notes your experience may be way different today then a year ago and maybe change your view on linux
I think you just got a blind eye for windows and think windows is the only good thing on the planet.
Linux isn't about the console/terminal/ anymore.. It's point and click these days just like windows.. Even my dad and my grandmother can use linux..
@lala51750 ndiswrapper is your friend.. pclinuxos supports it.. launch the wizard > next next next .. inf file of the driver next done.. your rady to go my friend
No it won't when a user install windows they generally need to install more drivers out of the box then on linux.. In the end it's still a win for linux
@lala51750 It is supported by the open source driver.. The fglrx are for newer cards.. The open source driver works flawlessly with 3d support depending on the chip and memory the video card has..
As you know fglrx is more for gaming and hdmi support and hd video..
And built in graphics isn't the state of the art as you know so don't expect miracle performance from it..
Anyway, the Desktop Linux is in many ways, a failed operating system. It has been around for over 20 years, and has yet to crack the 1% usage barrier.
But then, it's free, so to all of the nerds out there: use what makes you happy. Just know that 90% of the people out there don't even know what "Linux" is.
Linux nerds are as worse as the religious nuts out there. Insecure too.
The uploader of this video has permanently abandoned Linux, so move on.
We better stop now.. He is just a incompotent and loves linux.. Just can't stand it we run it successfully and wished it all worked for him so he made this video of how bad it is...
All Os's has their pro's and cons.. My experience with windows was bad.. I tried linux and does anything and has anything I need the way I want it.. I am not highly educated and no computer expert.. But with the great community I got it set up the way I want it and the way I work and use my computer..
@MrDemilord See, you're a negative minded person. The user who has uploaded this video is 100% sincere and has tried Linux to the best of his ability. It's just a darn NERD OS that is just too buggy and unsupported.
i have seen that you erased my comment.. so what about windows.. you have support for windows? where do i talk with an microsoft consultant,? lost in the contact pages and forms... lol.. is like no suport at all.. and yes, i used a pirated edition for windows 7, but it keeps my procesor at 80grades celsius and it choces, with his stupid proceses..... so i chosed ubuntu, and i play games on it too ;) every single game, it works ;)
Linux doesn't get viruses and it's free - both great things. But there's so little software available for Linux, by comparison, that's it's impossible to simply chuck Windows. And I have a little office in my home with 8 computers on a network, all of which are running Linux - except the one on which I do most of my actual work. Linux is a great web, mail server and file server. As a desktop, it has a mountain of issues. I still use Windows XP - because it just works.
@guymerritt You're a liar. Linux does get viruses. Every OS out there is susceptible to viruses. What makes your brain think that Linux is immune to viruses?
But I agree with the rest of your most. Linux wins as a server, but as a desktop OS, it has a mountain to climb. Support is nonexistence, a lot of software does not run on it, and it's just too buggy and unstable.
This guy is a blond From the way he talks he has Win 7 in a box that has the hardware power and from the way the Ubuntu box sounds he is running it on a old box or he has hardware issues because a ubuntu don't crash 1 time must less 2 times unless you have hardware problems or RAM issues, and a lot of times the hard drive will do such things as that even when it is showing a good HD.
I run Linux, and can run whatever I need to in virtual machines. Web browsing, games, most other stuff I use Debian for. When I need to fire up Photoshop or something, I run an XP VM.
Games I agree, Games are made for Windows.. I think KDE really intergrated compiz very well.. I didnt notice any problems since I use PCLinuxOS which I use since a half year..
It did crash on me on opensuse 12.1 though which I tried for a short while..
I didnt had any issues with slow downs..
I use ubuntu 10.10 and mainly use it for browsing on my netbook.. And Skype.. Further I use PCLOS as my main OS .. Running XP in VirtualBox for 2 programs.. Becos with Wine it keeps crashing
@MrDemilord I am honestly wondering about PCLin some of the defaults they have switched to... I had to do a fresh install the other day and it was not the OS I had come to know and love. It still has good hardware support but some of the package choices are really WTF.
Yes they switched from package manager, and they are planning next year to fully switch to Yum package manager.. , recently they switched fully to RPM 4.8.. Maybe something went wrong there.. I also borked a pclinuxos installation on my old computer, becos I forgot to update :\ I agree that some package choices are weird.. It was also notified on the front page by Texstar
@MrDemilord I think Tex has just decided to go a particular way, and nothing wrong with that it is his distro, but it is a way that is removing many of the things i recommended about the distro. And the more retro wont really jive with novice users like the old way did. Alot of things like Clemitine vs Amarok and so on. You can get the old one with effort but it is no longer as good as it could be out of the box.
Why not try a other distro then ubuntu? You compare Ubuntu to linux... Linux is so much more then Ubuntu.. and dont forget that Ubuntu is all cutting edge software and such a small part of what Linux is about until you try PCLinuxOS which is all point and click and much better intergrated and easier to configure thru the PCC
@MrDemilord GNU/Linux runs on every distribution out there, what makes Ubuntu popular is its (relative) ease of use.
So there is no question that EASE OF USE is Linux's main barrier towards general mass consumer usage. It's just too obscure, bug ridden, and unfriendly.
Remember, we're strictly talking about a NERD OS here, that only nerds would ever consider using. Most of these NERDS find Ubuntu hard enough as is. The average computer user doesn't stand a chance.
@lala51750 I agree with you, but still its a shame, there are in my opinion way better distro's which do a awesome job with KDE.. And other distro's do great with Gnome.
Ubuntu missed the game hard since 11.04.. I still think 10.10 is still the best thing they did with Gnome after that Ubuntu went downwards
@MrDemilord True. Ubuntu has failed. Linux's fragmented structure doesn't really help it either. There are close to a 1000 distributions out there. Now imagine the already limited resources and time being divided up across these distributions. Add in the quick release cycles and you end up with half-baked bug ridden distributions that are released to the public (Unity crap).
@lala51750 Well that is kind of a miss nomer..developed correctly the same software can run on 99% of Linux distributions. Example one of my paid software has to date been installed on 32 different Linux distributions, and run well on all of them. Devlopers dont need to make a ver for Ubuntu, and Arch, and so on. They need to make a geed solid Linux Ver
I do have a totally different opinion about that, I know I respond on a very different comment that that I have in my inbox but never mind.
I don't see ubuntu as easy to use for Windows users.. It might be easy for Mac users though.. but a switch from Windows to ubuntu is bigger then from windows to opensuse/mandriva/pclinuxos.. It is obscure.. Buggy I don't agree. It all depends on the distro.. And I had more crashes with XP and Vista then I ever had with Linux.
About buggy, when a Windows program crashes I dont know why.. with Linux I can run the program in a terminal in verbose mode or debug mode as you call it and pipi it out to a text file.. .. I do a quick google first if it doesnt help me I post a bug report.. With windows crashes or application crash with windows . I am left on my own and hope for google if not bad luck!
@MrDemilord I've arrived to the conclusion that Linux is more buggy than Windows for two reasons:
1) There is no doubt that Linux distributions have a limited budget, time, and resources, since it's given away for free, it has to be funded by other means. Therefore, most bugs are left intact.
2) Quick release cycles (every 6 months) give the already small group of developers a limited set of time to squash and find the bugs. So you end up with half baked distributions that are buggy.
some distros choose a release cycle of 6 months, others choose 9, others a year and debian chooses 5 years release cycle.. Ubuntu has a LTS release for 5 years support.. I dont know why it is so buggy at you.. It could be bad luck with the propietary nvidia or ati drivers.. I never had real serious problems with ubuntu.. Fedora or Mint.. And problems with Debian?
@lala51750 Install 10.10 and tell me what problems you get when you do a full update.
Those bugs are 60% duplicates, wishlists.. invalid bug reports.. And don't forget lots of them are years old and do not apply anymore because the software has been updated or replaced by a other package
@MrDemilord Not really, if you go to bugs. launchpad. net / ubuntu
You'll see that over 47,000 new bugs have been accepted. Every bug has to be screened, so duplicates, wishlist, and invalid bug reports do not count in that ~50k figure. They are verified bugs.
@lala51750 Vista, XP 2000 98 95 were also all buggy at the beginning. XP had BSOD problems.. Memory leak in the GUI.. USB problems, Vista had problems with dissapearing cdrom drivers . Slow performance.. 2000 Had also BSOD problems.. Not to forget the security bugs and crashes with IE6.. Ok 7 is way better but it is not a big step and 7 is basicly Vista SP2.. But to say Linux is buggy is very short sighted.. Because Windows is Buggy too
@MrDemilord I agree what Windows is buggy too, more so in the past, but Linux distributions are generally more buggy than the latest Windows release (Windows 7) from my experiences, and due to obvious reasons.
If you are still in doubt, check out this channel: user/tostoday
He has tried over 200 Linux distributions, and will agree that Windows 7 is less buggy.
@MrDemilord And from my personal experiences, Linux is definitely more buggy than Windows 7 (I tried Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Arch, UE, Debian, etc).
comparing os'es is comparing apples with oranges...
What problems you had and what versions you ran of the distro's.
I can say the same Linux is more stable then XP 2000, Vista and 7.. Because every OS is buggy.. You didn't say what computer hardware it ran on.
Like I said opensuse is very lacky on support , it looks more like a hobby project then something serious, but debian and arch should be rock solid.. Mint and Ubunt gives me a weird taste these days about them.
Linux ain't a Nerd os for years.. That was 7/8 years.. The "Computer" as you called it Windows Users.. Think to much in the Windows world and way of working.. Linux is a totally different Operating system with lots more features and possibilities then Windows.. You can do so much more in less time and afford.. The average user has never tried linux because windows suits their needs and they are happy with it..
Linux is not mend to replace market position or grow above 5%
@MrDemilord Unfortunately, Linux will always be a nerd OS as long as any TERMINAL use is involved.
A typical Windows user has zero knowledge of he Linux terminal commands. I've been told by many Linux advocates that you do not really need the terminal in Linux anymore, but that's just a lie. I've used Linux, and more than often, problems arise, and you are forced to deal with them with the terminal.
@MrDemilord I hate to say this but honestly Linux needs a Jobs. Some one to make the different cool and shiny. If you take Linux and tell people it is the new Windows every one loves it. You tell them the exact same thing is Windows because of the marketing they don't really even try it. They assume
All I hear is a lot of whining about things not falling into place for him. I can tell he doesn't know his way around any linux distro and its frustrating for him. That is what this video is about. There are way better comparisons out there that do a fair job, more so than a Windows fan who tried Ubuntu for the afternoon and called it quits.
@fullproofed Whining? Is he really whining or are you just a bigoted old loser. You sure have a closed mind.
Let me help you with a dose of reality: GNU/Linux is a failed desktop operating system. It has a less than 1% usage share after 2 decades of being around. The pitfalls are many, the benefits are few and just not useful for 99% of the computer users out there.
Don't even bring up the "Oh it's a great server blah blah", no one's talking servers here. We're talking desktop/PC.
Well Flash is built in to Chrome/Chromium so not sure how it can be Fuped... And I am starting to wonder what Ubuntu does to KDENLIVE. As I have never in my life had a KdenLive problem, but Ubuntu users complain about it endlessly. But that is not a KDENLIVE or Linux issue, that is an Ubuntu one. BIG BIG difference.
Regarding the mutitask lag, that is more an Unbuntu implementation than an actual Linux thing. On my system as long as I am not over loading my page file, I can have whole applications get over loaded but they system as a whole is still sharp and responsive, while win side if that happens the whole system is sluggish until the lockup application comes back. It really is a case of depends what you are doing.
Regarding compiz, believe it or not Linux is trying to kill it. No clue why as I love it, but that is what things like UNITY are about. Basically many of the distros have decided Stock KDE or GNOME, or make a solution. So it will be an interesting 2-5 years why the dust settles on that
Regarding crashing, I have used Linux off and on for 10 years. It is currently my primary OS. Windows has crashed far more than Linux, and while Linux rarely ever crashes on me, even when it does you can still do things. I have never lost on bit of data do to Linux, I have lost whole weekends and work loads do to Windows crashes. End of the day I have had 180 the other experience. It is not a rule either way, just depends what you are doing for work.
@TheShowThatSUX He was using the 10.04 beta. The Windows 7 beta was awful. I gave it an honest try for like a month but it was unusable. I can honestly say it crashed right around 9 of every ten sessions. The comparison was between a fully polished OS and a beta Ubuntu release - and I think a more knowledgeable Ubuntu user could have made it work way better.
@fullproofed Well and that search feature he love often crashed the system in the early beta. Honestly that is one if the things I don't like about Ubuntu. And even Ubuntu main can have some issues because of the Ubuntu philosophy. I am honestly wonder how many users are getting sour on Linux because of a bad Ubuntu experience, I used to recomend PCLin but it is now a joke of an OS out of the box.
@TheShowThatSUX Ubuntu has been a joke for the past year or so (mainly thanks to the Unity crap). Practically everyone has been ditching it for other distributions. In fact, it is no longer the most popular Linux distribution (according to DistroWatch). Many disgruntled Ubuntu users have switched to Mint, making it the #1 Linux distribution now.
@lala51750 To be honest I have never liked Ubuntu. And IMO it hurts Linux as a whole. For example my local LUG has kicked me out as a Linux hatter because I am not an Ubuntu fan. Ubuntu is still a large distro, but it is not the be all end all of Linux. Often when people say Linux can't, what they really mean is Ubuntu don't. And big difference between the to.
@TheShowThatSUX Ubuntu might be bloated, slow, and huge, compared to the other "fast" Linux distributions out there, but it is BY FAR easier to use.
Many nerds find Ubuntu hard as is to get used to and to use on a daily basis. The average user doesn't stand a chance. Linux isn't meant to be used by the average user. It's too nerdy/geeky. Hence, the 1% usage share.
@lala51750 Well the 1% is a myth. And why some distros are yes about as geeky as they could be: gentoo and slackware come to mind, and Arch is probably halfway there. Others are very novice user friendly. PClin cam to mind until recently but they have made some changes to the out of the box that that is no longer a good example, but many users who know crap about computers could use them out of the box, and many Linux distros....
@TheShowThatSUX That 1% is real. As for the difficulty of using Linux distributions, you're expecting too much out of ordinary people who only use a computer as a tool to check their email and to socialize. Most computers users are not nerds.
Ubuntu is hard to use for the average user; watch and learn:
@lala51750 OK I have said this many times Ubuntu is not Linux it is Ubuntu a Linux OS, not the Linux OS. And yes Ubuntu does many thing oddly. However for the "ordinary people who only use a computer as a tool to check their email and to socialize" what do they need a browser and an email client. Um Thunderbird and FireFox/or Chrome/Chromium. And what do most Win and MAC users do, install Thunderbird and FireFox/or Chrome/Chromium.
@TheShowThatSUX True, but you're missing one MAJOR point: Windows and OS X comes pre-installed on computers. Linux does not. The prospect of installing a whole new OS (and sometimes having to dual boot it with their existing OS) is a really daunting task to the average novice computer user.
Heck, even nerds have a hard time doing it sometimes. That's the reason Linux has a 1% usage share
Besides, Windows 7 is proven to be faster at browsing the web than Ubuntu. Benchmarks are from Tomshardware
@lala51750 Tomshardware is pro windows.. And we talk about 1/100 a second and it is browser dependent .. Benchmarks isn't real life.. Because it depends on your internet connection at that time. about 100ms ping time.. And as you should know internet connection always fluctuates that makes the test useless.. Benchmarks is more for the fun and has nothing to do with Real life experience.
@MrDemilord No seriously, Tomshardware isn't biased in any sense of the word. They're the only Hardware Tech website that even mentions Linux now days.
The benchmarks showed that Windows is twice as fast in some web browsing benchmarks, not to mention, some popular browsers such as Chrome, Firefox, and Opera use twice as much memory on Ubuntu than Windows 7 while browsing the web.
Yes, the Linux version of the browsers are inferior.
@lala51750 The 1% is BS, but I have already said Linux needs a good OEM offering. The fact is it is the OEM or the IT department that does all the crap to make it work. If the average end user had to do the grunt work and remastering IT and OEMs need to to make Windows install so every thing woks no one would use Win. I can vouch for OS X as I don't have a broad enough base for real data.
@lala51750 If you want to take those metrics as accurate than you are also arguing Windows has lost nearly 20% market share in the past fee years. Do you accept that Windows is losing users that fast?
@lala51750 Regarding your horror story vid. What percent of users need to install something to use the internet today? And so on. That is nice fluff but also not even true today. If the 1% is so real why do Microsoft the makers of Windows who would love the 1% myth, site Linux as 6%+ market share just behind Apple?
@TheShowThatSUX That's a fake slide, I've seen it. Linux has a 1% usage share. Does not matter what a random slide on a presentation by Steve Ballmer had to say. Count it as an odd mistake.
The 1% is very real, if you choose to check out OS Market Share on Wikipedia.
@lala51750 But you also have to look at what the source data is. For example if I new computer is sold with Linux but the ODM in china sold it designed for XP it counts as a Windows computer regardless of what OS is on it, and so on. Basically 90% or so of Linux is not counted as Linux if at all. It is like the claim unemployment is going down because people have stopped looking for work.
@lala51750 I gave one example it is hard to go over through them all in the limited space here but yes in web metrics that is how they are determined but the user agent is not 100% accurate. Think of all the plugins made to hide user agent. Heck OS X was counted as 1-2% until a few years ago as a result of that same problem. And that data is only from reporting sites...
@MrDemilord You can only spoof it, but I hardly think anyone would do that, heck, 99% of people out there don't even know you can do that. So that's an automatic 1% margin of error that I'll take any day.
@lala51750 But it can be spoofed rather well. In fact this is something many Antivirus programs do. Mis lead what ver of win you are on. User agent tells: browser and OS, but those parts of it can be spofed in many ways. I can clock my user agent so as far as the sever I access is concerned I am IE6 on win XP even using FireFox on Linux. Yes I have to give one, but it don't need to be accurate.
Statistics is not Real Life TheShow.. We call it here you got statistics , statistics and lies..
And don't forget not every linux user browse the web with their linux machines like home theater pc's , xbmc etc.. But for lala statistics are facts while that just is not true
@MrDemilord No, it'll be more of a case that Linux users using their Linux to browse the web, while using Windows for anything else (other than the web: Photoshop, iTunes, gaming, etc).
So it stands to reason that Windows' "online" market share is underestimated, since Windows tends to be used "Offline" by OS X and Linux users due to its perceived "less secure nature"
@lala51750 Heck I have 1000 sites here who median Windows share is 65% but I would never argue Windows is less than 75% right now. Honestly based on all the raw data I see on on a monthly basis I would say right now the brake up is.
Win 80%
OSX 8%
Linux 6%
iOS 4%
Android 4%
And that is based on raw usage data of about 25000 blogs, stores, and so on. Now there is a 2% margin for error in that metric. But that is the raw data.
@lala51750 Your own source for Linux 1% claim says Windows has less that 80%. So what it is under-counting Windows by about 15% but the Linux count is correct? That is an interesting claim.
@TheShowThatSUX And the data that you just spewed, is 100% BS, you just made it up on your mind. LOL. What an idiot.
Check out OS market share on Wikipedia. Linux is listed at 1% throughout. That's 10 independent market share trackers for you (with 100 of billions of monthly hints combined between them).
@MrDemilord No, Google, Bing, and Yahoo get more hits, but their statistics aren't public.
Wikimedia is a free non-profit public foundation, and it's ranked #5 globally, that's your best bet at the moment. 4 billion hits per month should take out any biases too.
@lala51750 You can claim BS all you want but that is off of raw feeds across many countries and demographics, while I personally believe OS X has closer to 12%+ and Linux 8%+ the data only supports the 8% 6%. It sounds like you want the metrics to tell you windows has 90% so you ignore any data that says other wise. The same with the 1% you want it to be true so you only look at data that tells you what you want and ignore that that same data tell you Win is under 80%
@lala51750 I mean in 2008 between 8% and 9% of all computers sold were running a Linux OS but only 0.25% of them were reported to the the metrics as a Linux system. The fact is Linux is not really counted in the metrics, and that is why it is reported that way. How many blue cars will you find if you only count green cars kind of thing. You will find the odd Blue-Green car to count, but no one would consider that a good count of blue cars. Same with how Linus is counted.
@TheShowThatSUX You don't get it.. a percentage of computers sold within a year does not constitute an overall market presence metric. I'll give you a simple analogy:
Prior to 2008:
There were 1000 apples in the market and 2 oranges.
In 2008, 92 apples and 8 oranges were added (a 92% to 8% ratio). Overall market now:
@lala51750 I did not say it did. I was merely pointing out one of the ways in which the metrics don't count properly. To be honest re rally only know how many legal OS X systems there are. MS constantly counts systems that are not systems to create more favorable metrics, the uses age metric is not a broad enough sampling to have a good count. I could find you a metric that claim Linux is 50% but it is as much BS as the 1%.
@TheShowThatSUX The top 10 global metrics are listed on Wikipedia, all of them point to the same fact: 1% usage share of Linux.
I'd say Wikimedia is a trusted source (sine it's a free non-profit foundation) and hosts Wikipedia (in all languages) and all of the other sister projects.
Wikimedia gets around 4 billion hits monthly (Wikipedia is a top website), of which, Linux accounts for 1%. That's all the proof that you need.
@MrDemilord None of those sites reveal statistics. Your best bet is either Stat Counter (it gets 30 billion hits per month from 300,000 different websites across 200+ countries), or Wikimedia (ranked as the 5th most popular website globally).
Wikimedia gets 4 billion hits monthly, of which, Linux is 1%.
@lala51750 Well your source claims in some of those that many of the "other" are actually Linux, which happens to be true. So some of those metrics tend to count GNU/Linux as other, while others acknowledge it as Linux. And your source also claim Windows is around or rapidly approaching an 80% share not over 90% on any of them. So if you want to claim Lin a 1% then you also claim Windows at about 80%
@TheShowThatSUX But that's a useless argument. The percentage statistics listed on Wikipedia have nothing to do with sales.
They are solely based on internet traffic hit.
For example, In Dec 2011, the Wikimedia foundation (Wikipedia in all languages and its sister websites), had 4+ billion hits worldwide from 205 countries, of which, Linux accounted for 1%.
@lala51750 Actually Linux account for about 3% if you count android, but yes one site. And user agent has all the flaws I have already pointed out Heck OS X went from 1.8% to 5% over nite because the industry decided not to block it. Heck 4 of my computers count as Win XP in the metrics even though they are Linux because of user agent spoofs.
@lala51750 It is a professional operating system.. Made by professional companies.
It has a full potential to grow.. Because of it's nature.. You can stick your hand in the dirt.. But we will see in 10 years. How the market will respond..
Linus didn't steal any code.. He made a unix LIKE clone , it has a totally different code
@TheShowThatSUX And if you really think that more than 0.001% of people out there spoof their user agent, you are delusional. There will always be a margin of error, but it's no more than 1%.
There are just some flaws in the user agent.. some stat counters see my OS as unknown, others see it as Windows, others see it correct.. google analystics is the only one who got it right at me
@MrSataGYPSYpitiful No they don't I tested it with 3 of my computers.. On 3 diferent systems.. It is a true hit or miss. .Why do you think 5% is detected as unknown? Can you Explain to me?
Honestly until there is a good OEM offering it will be counted as about 1% regardless of where it actually is. But even with all of that as of late the quote un quote 1% as be alot closer to 2% in many counting the 1.X as allot closer to 2, and this is known to be a real under count
@lala51750 ...it may suprise you but one of the reasons I have always bashed on Ubuntu is for making some features a Linux system is capable of hard for a novice user to find. Unbuntu is not so bad if you have used Linux before as you know "oh I need to add this package" but a novice end user wont have a clue. Systems that are amid at novice users like Ubuntu have a responsibility to include all those packages out of the box in the interest of "it just works dammit"
@TheShowThatSUX True. Most computer users are novices that have a hard time finding their way around Windows let alone a nerd OS like Linux. They can't even tell you what hardware their system runs on.
@lala51750 You can call it a nerd platform all you want but that make that true. Linux is as point and click as Windows and OS X today. In some cases more so. The "new" features like snap and so on that so many Win7 users like are from KDE and have been on Linux for years. In fact most of the "love it" features that have been added to Win and OS X in recent years came from KDE a predominant Linux desktop...
You can keep telling me how buggy it is and how bad the support is..
Not every person is the same. But don't spread the fud around that the linux community is only about wanting anything free... they want good quality software and are willing to pay for software music games movies and other material.. Calling us pirates is just plain wrong.. If windows 7 suits you and you find it fits better with the way you work go for it! Windows 7 is not my cup of tea
@lala51750 That is actually no longer true, and some Linux users don't like that. The fact is Win has gotten bad enough that some users who don't want a Mac look for anything modern to use and find Linux. They don't know a modem from a frying pan but can click the button that says next. And that is a growing Linux user base. Truth is Linux is changing from IT people to a more diverse base like Mac did over the past few years.
@TheShowThatSUX That's being delusional now. 70% of Linux users still dual boot Windows, as a matter of fact. That pretty much proves that Linux is not a viable standalone desktop environment as the nerds are forced to fall back to use Windows for whatever reasons (probably iTunes, productivity, and entertainment).
The fact that 70% of Linux losers dual boot Windows means one thing: Linux is not a viable Desktop OS, since they are forced to fall back onto a different OS. The same is not true for Windows. LOL.
Now, go back to work and leave the real ranting to those who know what they are ranting about.
JonHeckendorf 3 weeks ago
Listening to your rants, you give enough information about what your computer needs are and how you use your computer. Without going into any laborious rationale, you are a user and nothing more.
Therefore, as a user your only solution to your problem is not using an Apple computer. An Apple computer is geared towards users of applications and not towards the rest of the computer community.
Stay with what is simple to use and you will be happier with your final work product.
JonHeckendorf 3 weeks ago
You single-handedly have sold people on Linux and possibly Ubuntu by your untruthful rantings about a subject you know nothing about.
I am a programmer and hardware engineer so I have no axe to grind with one Operating System over another. I have used them all and every one of them has their own pros and cons.
JonHeckendorf 3 weeks ago
@JonHeckendorf Wishful thinking, at best. Truth is, after watching this video, I and many of my friends have left Ubuntu and LiEnucks as a whole, and have been using Windows 7 with no problems whatsoever.
Lunix is bug ridden piece of garbage, for nerds.
BattlePikeQueerLucy 17 hours ago
Please learn how to speak English and complete your sentences. You are on live video, so stop rambling. You speak as if you missed your first 12-years of schooling.
I would like to know which school(s) you attended and who were your teachers. I am sure everyone involved in your education would be very proud of you right now.
JonHeckendorf 3 weeks ago
I think it is perfectly reasonable to prefer win7 over *nix when using MS Office in conjunction with vbscript is necessary. So too if you need photoshop or any application not native to linux ...
(plus if everybody used linux I'd be out of a job fixing computers :*( )
Good video!
HRage 3 weeks ago
LiEnucks is garbage. I agree with this user.
It's buggy and unproductive. Takes 4 hours on it to edit a video (Kdenlive keeps crashing), only takes 10 minutes on Windows via SV Pro.
BattlePikeQueerLucy 1 month ago
Dude, great video. I'm with you -- I want Linux to succeed, and after Vista I can't bring myself to pay Microsoft any more money unless I get a refund for Vista (which of course ain't going to happen). Anyway, it's been almost two more years since your video. I'll check your other ones, I hope you have a newer one, too. I have Mac at work and of the three, I like Mac the most now. I don't really like the ultra-minimalist stuff, but on the whole it's better than Windows. Linux is still ...
Boxofclocks 1 month ago
I'm too busy to learn gimp. So I'm stuck with Photoshop. For this reason, I run Photoshop as a Virtualbox guest.
Skype client for Windows is more advanced. So I also run that in Windows Vbox.
I don't play games.
Compiz works for me. Depends on video card.
So at the end of the day, it depends on what you need your computer for. Some programs are for Windows only. An example is Quickbooks, which I run in Virtualbox too.
Everything else I need, is on Linux, and they all work perfectly.
21wf 1 month ago
welll my 10 y old brothers son is running ubuntu 11.10 atm so he can work on it depens what do you want to achieve. Linux crashes hmmm. funny as windows 7 is a rip off from ubuntu. hehe /usr/lib hahah mate you have no clue sorry...
kpwlek 1 month ago
@kpwlek
"Windows 7 is a rip off of ubuntu."
Explain how.
ljscott1990 1 month ago
@ljscott1990 early versions had commands like ls df or with dir flags which you could find only in linux/unix like systems. Beta version had even kernel panic. sorry but that explains a lot to me. After vista they just could not go that good without third party software. gui is gui and stable system is a stable system. Not enough time too many improvements. This is just my opinion and you can thing whatever you like free world.
kpwlek 1 month ago
@kpwlek WTF? your 10 year old brother has a son???
qweiopasdz 1 month ago
@qweiopasdz nah my brother has a 10 y old son :)
kpwlek 1 month ago
This all comes down to what you want to do. Having a win and linux machine is the solution for most of us, although I get much more frustrated with my windows machine with all the crap you gotta do to keep it running and man is it slow. So Linux will be the future however. I started using Linux back in 2000 and now twelves years later the improvements have been exponential. Honestly we don't want Linux to be too easy to use, it keeps the monkeys and corporate culture away.
toowaker37 1 month ago
LiveCD automatically added my all in one printer on boot. Tested and working. And I didn't look at compatibility, I actually didn't even personally purchase it. People are stuck in the past.
JonathanIsrael708 1 month ago
This is the result of a crappy machine running a crappy operating system... If Windows was so great you wouldn't be messing with Linux... Invest in a Mac and I assure you that you wont be complaining anymore. Windows will also give you problems on problems too... But im more than sure you know that already.
davidhamann0606 1 month ago
@davidhamann0606
Not that I am huge fan of Apple products.. Although I do like the base of the Macpro if it was cheaper and more affordable You are right.. If you got such a great system why did he work with integrated graphics card.. If your system is slow linux will be slow depending on the desktop environment .. He would have got Compiz or Unity working with a decent graphics card.. although I think if he stuck with the opensource driver compiz would have worked too
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord you = he, cant edit my own comments :\
MrDemilord 1 month ago
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MrDemilord 1 month ago
4 real man great video nice review
Lynnc83 1 month ago
@lala51750 you should mention in your description you tried 10.04 BETA ;)
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Because people who are after PRODUCTVITY use BETA Operating Systems. lol =)
JonathanIsrael708 1 month ago
The problem linux has is all the damn fanboys that are bitching and being a dick to everyone who has an opinion or something constructive to say against linux software.
It's like they don't understand that this is exactly what linux needs. More constructive feedback. Instead of all the fanboy shit. There are just way too many of these fanboys and butt-lickers saying "oh everything works. and if you prefer the windows way, you're a retarded moron". I mean, just look at the thumbs down bar here.
blackoutworm 1 month ago
@blackoutworm
I am not a fanboy.. I just hate the lies and ignorance he is spreading. If you read my msgs and his you would understand but I guess you didn´ t yet
Yes everything works in linux except hardware support, that is not linux it's fault thats the hardware companies lacking to open their specifications.
Thats also the problem people are educated of being always Administrator and bitch on windows about virusses spyware malware and breaking computers..
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord I don't read your messages, nor do I think you are a fanboy,(until I saw this one). Because you felt the need to defend yourself even though I didn't attack you at all.
I was speaking in general.
Anyway, a typical linux fanboy is a person who thinks open and free are the only good choices, windows and mac are no-no topics, a person who doesn't want to be geeky or tweak and customize are a fucking retard, and there you have like 75 percent of the linux community. The sad, sad truth.
blackoutworm 1 month ago
@blackoutworm
I agree with you.. I just wanted to point out I wasnt a fanboy :) I was not defending myself.. Just try to explain my point of view on all this
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Okay, sorry. My bad:)
blackoutworm 1 month ago
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MrDemilord 1 month ago
@blackoutworm Because he is spreading lies.. he tried ubuntu and ubuntu does not equal linux.. Linux is way more then that.. Linux is about choice.. you got multiple distro's see distrowatch. com If you got problems with something there are multiple ways to get support.. And support does change with distro's ... You cannot say linux sucks.. You should come with valid arguments.. And neither the comments except for security which I agree with are valid
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@blackoutworm I don't know if you skimmed through the comments (atleast the current ones) but that is not what is going on. Read some of lala51750 comments. He is also LiEnucksFails4 I believe.
JonathanIsrael708 1 month ago
@JonathanIsrael708 Okay thanks
blackoutworm 1 month ago
openoffice SUCK. LibreOffice is okay.
But the best office suite I know for linux is SoftMaker Office.
And I do agree. Even though I usually try to work around things, I still hate nerding and tweaking. But I like linux, and I want it to be the best. And it actually is the best choice if you can get everything to work just fine.
I use photoshop and other adobe software in Wine and that works fine for me.
Adobe Audition, Dreamweaver, Flash and Fireworks does work better under wine than in windows.
blackoutworm 1 month ago
Your experience with ubuntu does not make it valid for linux in general... Once you tried a decent distro.. And read the release notes your experience may be way different today then a year ago and maybe change your view on linux
I think you just got a blind eye for windows and think windows is the only good thing on the planet.
Linux isn't about the console/terminal/ anymore.. It's point and click these days just like windows.. Even my dad and my grandmother can use linux..
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord You fail to realize that ANY Linux distro would fail to run the BCM 42xx series out of the box. It's is simply unsupported.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 ndiswrapper is your friend.. pclinuxos supports it.. launch the wizard > next next next .. inf file of the driver next done.. your rady to go my friend
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Nope, you still don't get it. It failed to work out of the box.
No WiFi out of the box for 90% of users out there = end of the road. Do you seriously think that a user will bother?
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
No it won't when a user install windows they generally need to install more drivers out of the box then on linux.. In the end it's still a win for linux
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@lala51750 I am not them. Given the comment I made, why would it even matter? You're getting defensive and paranoid for no reason.
JonathanIsrael708 1 month ago
@JonathanIsrael708 You're a 100% sockpuppet account. Unhide your channel then, prove me wrong, go ahead.
Your account has been created today.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Your comments are very immature and illogical.
JonathanIsrael708 1 month ago
@JonathanIsrael708 Says the sockpuppet account.
lala51750 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX
Look it up on Google:
ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver activated.
Does not boot at all.
Error: SP5100 TCO timer: mmio address xxxxxxxx already in use
Hardware: AMD HD 3000 video card.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 It is supported by the open source driver.. The fglrx are for newer cards.. The open source driver works flawlessly with 3d support depending on the chip and memory the video card has..
As you know fglrx is more for gaming and hdmi support and hd video..
And built in graphics isn't the state of the art as you know so don't expect miracle performance from it..
MrDemilord 1 month ago
Anyway, the Desktop Linux is in many ways, a failed operating system. It has been around for over 20 years, and has yet to crack the 1% usage barrier.
But then, it's free, so to all of the nerds out there: use what makes you happy. Just know that 90% of the people out there don't even know what "Linux" is.
Linux nerds are as worse as the religious nuts out there. Insecure too.
The uploader of this video has permanently abandoned Linux, so move on.
lala51750 1 month ago
@TheShow
We better stop now.. He is just a incompotent and loves linux.. Just can't stand it we run it successfully and wished it all worked for him so he made this video of how bad it is...
All Os's has their pro's and cons.. My experience with windows was bad.. I tried linux and does anything and has anything I need the way I want it.. I am not highly educated and no computer expert.. But with the great community I got it set up the way I want it and the way I work and use my computer..
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord See, you're a negative minded person. The user who has uploaded this video is 100% sincere and has tried Linux to the best of his ability. It's just a darn NERD OS that is just too buggy and unsupported.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
its better supported then windows, every tried the technical support of microsoft? Good luck!
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Windows 7 has been running flawlessly on my laptop for years no. Linux is junk.
Look, you get what you pay for, always. In the case of Linux, you get nothing.
lala51750 1 month ago
@MrDemilord second part was mend for lala
MrDemilord 1 month ago
you don't know anything sir!
russellwarner1 1 month ago
i have seen that you erased my comment.. so what about windows.. you have support for windows? where do i talk with an microsoft consultant,? lost in the contact pages and forms... lol.. is like no suport at all.. and yes, i used a pirated edition for windows 7, but it keeps my procesor at 80grades celsius and it choces, with his stupid proceses..... so i chosed ubuntu, and i play games on it too ;) every single game, it works ;)
catalynoo 1 month ago
Linux doesn't get viruses and it's free - both great things. But there's so little software available for Linux, by comparison, that's it's impossible to simply chuck Windows. And I have a little office in my home with 8 computers on a network, all of which are running Linux - except the one on which I do most of my actual work. Linux is a great web, mail server and file server. As a desktop, it has a mountain of issues. I still use Windows XP - because it just works.
guymerritt 1 month ago
@guymerritt You're a liar. Linux does get viruses. Every OS out there is susceptible to viruses. What makes your brain think that Linux is immune to viruses?
But I agree with the rest of your most. Linux wins as a server, but as a desktop OS, it has a mountain to climb. Support is nonexistence, a lot of software does not run on it, and it's just too buggy and unstable.
lala51750 1 month ago
This guy is a blond From the way he talks he has Win 7 in a box that has the hardware power and from the way the Ubuntu box sounds he is running it on a old box or he has hardware issues because a ubuntu don't crash 1 time must less 2 times unless you have hardware problems or RAM issues, and a lot of times the hard drive will do such things as that even when it is showing a good HD.
dyess022 1 month ago
I run Linux, and can run whatever I need to in virtual machines. Web browsing, games, most other stuff I use Debian for. When I need to fire up Photoshop or something, I run an XP VM.
Pilotgeek 2 months ago
Games I agree, Games are made for Windows.. I think KDE really intergrated compiz very well.. I didnt notice any problems since I use PCLinuxOS which I use since a half year..
It did crash on me on opensuse 12.1 though which I tried for a short while..
I didnt had any issues with slow downs..
I use ubuntu 10.10 and mainly use it for browsing on my netbook.. And Skype.. Further I use PCLOS as my main OS .. Running XP in VirtualBox for 2 programs.. Becos with Wine it keeps crashing
MrDemilord 2 months ago
@MrDemilord I am honestly wondering about PCLin some of the defaults they have switched to... I had to do a fresh install the other day and it was not the OS I had come to know and love. It still has good hardware support but some of the package choices are really WTF.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX
Yes they switched from package manager, and they are planning next year to fully switch to Yum package manager.. , recently they switched fully to RPM 4.8.. Maybe something went wrong there.. I also borked a pclinuxos installation on my old computer, becos I forgot to update :\ I agree that some package choices are weird.. It was also notified on the front page by Texstar
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord I think Tex has just decided to go a particular way, and nothing wrong with that it is his distro, but it is a way that is removing many of the things i recommended about the distro. And the more retro wont really jive with novice users like the old way did. Alot of things like Clemitine vs Amarok and so on. You can get the old one with effort but it is no longer as good as it could be out of the box.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
Why not try a other distro then ubuntu? You compare Ubuntu to linux... Linux is so much more then Ubuntu.. and dont forget that Ubuntu is all cutting edge software and such a small part of what Linux is about until you try PCLinuxOS which is all point and click and much better intergrated and easier to configure thru the PCC
MrDemilord 2 months ago
@MrDemilord GNU/Linux runs on every distribution out there, what makes Ubuntu popular is its (relative) ease of use.
So there is no question that EASE OF USE is Linux's main barrier towards general mass consumer usage. It's just too obscure, bug ridden, and unfriendly.
Remember, we're strictly talking about a NERD OS here, that only nerds would ever consider using. Most of these NERDS find Ubuntu hard enough as is. The average computer user doesn't stand a chance.
lala51750 1 month ago 8
@lala51750 I agree with you, but still its a shame, there are in my opinion way better distro's which do a awesome job with KDE.. And other distro's do great with Gnome.
Ubuntu missed the game hard since 11.04.. I still think 10.10 is still the best thing they did with Gnome after that Ubuntu went downwards
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord True. Ubuntu has failed. Linux's fragmented structure doesn't really help it either. There are close to a 1000 distributions out there. Now imagine the already limited resources and time being divided up across these distributions. Add in the quick release cycles and you end up with half-baked bug ridden distributions that are released to the public (Unity crap).
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Well that is kind of a miss nomer..developed correctly the same software can run on 99% of Linux distributions. Example one of my paid software has to date been installed on 32 different Linux distributions, and run well on all of them. Devlopers dont need to make a ver for Ubuntu, and Arch, and so on. They need to make a geed solid Linux Ver
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@lala51750
I do have a totally different opinion about that, I know I respond on a very different comment that that I have in my inbox but never mind.
I don't see ubuntu as easy to use for Windows users.. It might be easy for Mac users though.. but a switch from Windows to ubuntu is bigger then from windows to opensuse/mandriva/pclinuxos.. It is obscure.. Buggy I don't agree. It all depends on the distro.. And I had more crashes with XP and Vista then I ever had with Linux.
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord
About buggy, when a Windows program crashes I dont know why.. with Linux I can run the program in a terminal in verbose mode or debug mode as you call it and pipi it out to a text file.. .. I do a quick google first if it doesnt help me I post a bug report.. With windows crashes or application crash with windows . I am left on my own and hope for google if not bad luck!
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord I've arrived to the conclusion that Linux is more buggy than Windows for two reasons:
1) There is no doubt that Linux distributions have a limited budget, time, and resources, since it's given away for free, it has to be funded by other means. Therefore, most bugs are left intact.
2) Quick release cycles (every 6 months) give the already small group of developers a limited set of time to squash and find the bugs. So you end up with half baked distributions that are buggy.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
some distros choose a release cycle of 6 months, others choose 9, others a year and debian chooses 5 years release cycle.. Ubuntu has a LTS release for 5 years support.. I dont know why it is so buggy at you.. It could be bad luck with the propietary nvidia or ati drivers.. I never had real serious problems with ubuntu.. Fedora or Mint.. And problems with Debian?
what version was it..
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Ubuntu 10.04, 10.10, 11.04, 11.10, Mint 10, 11, 12, the GUI always glitches.
Too many random bugs.
If you are still in doubt, check out bugs. launchpad. net
Over 800,000+ Ubuntu bugs still exist.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Install 10.10 and tell me what problems you get when you do a full update.
Those bugs are 60% duplicates, wishlists.. invalid bug reports.. And don't forget lots of them are years old and do not apply anymore because the software has been updated or replaced by a other package
I more and more feel your just trolling
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Not really, if you go to bugs. launchpad. net / ubuntu
You'll see that over 47,000 new bugs have been accepted. Every bug has to be screened, so duplicates, wishlist, and invalid bug reports do not count in that ~50k figure. They are verified bugs.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Vista, XP 2000 98 95 were also all buggy at the beginning. XP had BSOD problems.. Memory leak in the GUI.. USB problems, Vista had problems with dissapearing cdrom drivers . Slow performance.. 2000 Had also BSOD problems.. Not to forget the security bugs and crashes with IE6.. Ok 7 is way better but it is not a big step and 7 is basicly Vista SP2.. But to say Linux is buggy is very short sighted.. Because Windows is Buggy too
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord I agree what Windows is buggy too, more so in the past, but Linux distributions are generally more buggy than the latest Windows release (Windows 7) from my experiences, and due to obvious reasons.
If you are still in doubt, check out this channel: user/tostoday
He has tried over 200 Linux distributions, and will agree that Windows 7 is less buggy.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Sounds like you think Ubuntu is the only Linux
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@MrDemilord And from my personal experiences, Linux is definitely more buggy than Windows 7 (I tried Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Arch, UE, Debian, etc).
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
comparing os'es is comparing apples with oranges...
What problems you had and what versions you ran of the distro's.
I can say the same Linux is more stable then XP 2000, Vista and 7.. Because every OS is buggy.. You didn't say what computer hardware it ran on.
Like I said opensuse is very lacky on support , it looks more like a hobby project then something serious, but debian and arch should be rock solid.. Mint and Ubunt gives me a weird taste these days about them.
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Most of the bugs and glitches on Ubuntu (for example) had to do with Unity. It's just unstable and too buggy, crashes too often.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Unity is a dork .. I agree with you here.. To be honest I feel the same about gnome 3
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@lala51750
Linux ain't a Nerd os for years.. That was 7/8 years.. The "Computer" as you called it Windows Users.. Think to much in the Windows world and way of working.. Linux is a totally different Operating system with lots more features and possibilities then Windows.. You can do so much more in less time and afford.. The average user has never tried linux because windows suits their needs and they are happy with it..
Linux is not mend to replace market position or grow above 5%
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Unfortunately, Linux will always be a nerd OS as long as any TERMINAL use is involved.
A typical Windows user has zero knowledge of he Linux terminal commands. I've been told by many Linux advocates that you do not really need the terminal in Linux anymore, but that's just a lie. I've used Linux, and more than often, problems arise, and you are forced to deal with them with the terminal.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 OK then it is not as you don't need to ever go in Terminal to use Linux day to day as an average user
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@MrDemilord I hate to say this but honestly Linux needs a Jobs. Some one to make the different cool and shiny. If you take Linux and tell people it is the new Windows every one loves it. You tell them the exact same thing is Windows because of the marketing they don't really even try it. They assume
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX Exactly I agree with you here
MrDemilord 1 month ago
Application Crash Scenes:
Windows - Total computer freezes..... waits.... restarts the computer forcefully, because it won't unfreeze.
Linux - Hits Ctrl + Alt + F1 kills program from there, presses Ctrl + Alt + F7 and system is fully responsive.
russjr08 2 months ago
All I hear is a lot of whining about things not falling into place for him. I can tell he doesn't know his way around any linux distro and its frustrating for him. That is what this video is about. There are way better comparisons out there that do a fair job, more so than a Windows fan who tried Ubuntu for the afternoon and called it quits.
fullproofed 2 months ago
@fullproofed I completely agree with that. In fact, my 8 year old sister had that reaction while playing Minecraft in Survival mode :P
russjr08 2 months ago
@fullproofed Whining? Is he really whining or are you just a bigoted old loser. You sure have a closed mind.
Let me help you with a dose of reality: GNU/Linux is a failed desktop operating system. It has a less than 1% usage share after 2 decades of being around. The pitfalls are many, the benefits are few and just not useful for 99% of the computer users out there.
Don't even bring up the "Oh it's a great server blah blah", no one's talking servers here. We're talking desktop/PC.
lala51750 1 month ago
Well Flash is built in to Chrome/Chromium so not sure how it can be Fuped... And I am starting to wonder what Ubuntu does to KDENLIVE. As I have never in my life had a KdenLive problem, but Ubuntu users complain about it endlessly. But that is not a KDENLIVE or Linux issue, that is an Ubuntu one. BIG BIG difference.
TheShowThatSUX 2 months ago
Regarding the mutitask lag, that is more an Unbuntu implementation than an actual Linux thing. On my system as long as I am not over loading my page file, I can have whole applications get over loaded but they system as a whole is still sharp and responsive, while win side if that happens the whole system is sluggish until the lockup application comes back. It really is a case of depends what you are doing.
TheShowThatSUX 2 months ago
Regarding compiz, believe it or not Linux is trying to kill it. No clue why as I love it, but that is what things like UNITY are about. Basically many of the distros have decided Stock KDE or GNOME, or make a solution. So it will be an interesting 2-5 years why the dust settles on that
TheShowThatSUX 2 months ago
Regarding crashing, I have used Linux off and on for 10 years. It is currently my primary OS. Windows has crashed far more than Linux, and while Linux rarely ever crashes on me, even when it does you can still do things. I have never lost on bit of data do to Linux, I have lost whole weekends and work loads do to Windows crashes. End of the day I have had 180 the other experience. It is not a rule either way, just depends what you are doing for work.
TheShowThatSUX 2 months ago
@TheShowThatSUX He was using the 10.04 beta. The Windows 7 beta was awful. I gave it an honest try for like a month but it was unusable. I can honestly say it crashed right around 9 of every ten sessions. The comparison was between a fully polished OS and a beta Ubuntu release - and I think a more knowledgeable Ubuntu user could have made it work way better.
fullproofed 2 months ago
@fullproofed Well and that search feature he love often crashed the system in the early beta. Honestly that is one if the things I don't like about Ubuntu. And even Ubuntu main can have some issues because of the Ubuntu philosophy. I am honestly wonder how many users are getting sour on Linux because of a bad Ubuntu experience, I used to recomend PCLin but it is now a joke of an OS out of the box.
TheShowThatSUX 2 months ago
@TheShowThatSUX Ubuntu has been a joke for the past year or so (mainly thanks to the Unity crap). Practically everyone has been ditching it for other distributions. In fact, it is no longer the most popular Linux distribution (according to DistroWatch). Many disgruntled Ubuntu users have switched to Mint, making it the #1 Linux distribution now.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 To be honest I have never liked Ubuntu. And IMO it hurts Linux as a whole. For example my local LUG has kicked me out as a Linux hatter because I am not an Ubuntu fan. Ubuntu is still a large distro, but it is not the be all end all of Linux. Often when people say Linux can't, what they really mean is Ubuntu don't. And big difference between the to.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX Ubuntu might be bloated, slow, and huge, compared to the other "fast" Linux distributions out there, but it is BY FAR easier to use.
Many nerds find Ubuntu hard as is to get used to and to use on a daily basis. The average user doesn't stand a chance. Linux isn't meant to be used by the average user. It's too nerdy/geeky. Hence, the 1% usage share.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Well the 1% is a myth. And why some distros are yes about as geeky as they could be: gentoo and slackware come to mind, and Arch is probably halfway there. Others are very novice user friendly. PClin cam to mind until recently but they have made some changes to the out of the box that that is no longer a good example, but many users who know crap about computers could use them out of the box, and many Linux distros....
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX That 1% is real. As for the difficulty of using Linux distributions, you're expecting too much out of ordinary people who only use a computer as a tool to check their email and to socialize. Most computers users are not nerds.
Ubuntu is hard to use for the average user; watch and learn:
watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 OK I have said this many times Ubuntu is not Linux it is Ubuntu a Linux OS, not the Linux OS. And yes Ubuntu does many thing oddly. However for the "ordinary people who only use a computer as a tool to check their email and to socialize" what do they need a browser and an email client. Um Thunderbird and FireFox/or Chrome/Chromium. And what do most Win and MAC users do, install Thunderbird and FireFox/or Chrome/Chromium.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX True, but you're missing one MAJOR point: Windows and OS X comes pre-installed on computers. Linux does not. The prospect of installing a whole new OS (and sometimes having to dual boot it with their existing OS) is a really daunting task to the average novice computer user.
Heck, even nerds have a hard time doing it sometimes. That's the reason Linux has a 1% usage share
Besides, Windows 7 is proven to be faster at browsing the web than Ubuntu. Benchmarks are from Tomshardware
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Tomshardware is pro windows.. And we talk about 1/100 a second and it is browser dependent .. Benchmarks isn't real life.. Because it depends on your internet connection at that time. about 100ms ping time.. And as you should know internet connection always fluctuates that makes the test useless.. Benchmarks is more for the fun and has nothing to do with Real life experience.
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord No seriously, Tomshardware isn't biased in any sense of the word. They're the only Hardware Tech website that even mentions Linux now days.
The benchmarks showed that Windows is twice as fast in some web browsing benchmarks, not to mention, some popular browsers such as Chrome, Firefox, and Opera use twice as much memory on Ubuntu than Windows 7 while browsing the web.
Yes, the Linux version of the browsers are inferior.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 The 1% is BS, but I have already said Linux needs a good OEM offering. The fact is it is the OEM or the IT department that does all the crap to make it work. If the average end user had to do the grunt work and remastering IT and OEMs need to to make Windows install so every thing woks no one would use Win. I can vouch for OS X as I don't have a broad enough base for real data.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX The 1% is real, you're in denial now.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 If you want to take those metrics as accurate than you are also arguing Windows has lost nearly 20% market share in the past fee years. Do you accept that Windows is losing users that fast?
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@lala51750 Regarding your horror story vid. What percent of users need to install something to use the internet today? And so on. That is nice fluff but also not even true today. If the 1% is so real why do Microsoft the makers of Windows who would love the 1% myth, site Linux as 6%+ market share just behind Apple?
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX That's a fake slide, I've seen it. Linux has a 1% usage share. Does not matter what a random slide on a presentation by Steve Ballmer had to say. Count it as an odd mistake.
The 1% is very real, if you choose to check out OS Market Share on Wikipedia.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 But you also have to look at what the source data is. For example if I new computer is sold with Linux but the ODM in china sold it designed for XP it counts as a Windows computer regardless of what OS is on it, and so on. Basically 90% or so of Linux is not counted as Linux if at all. It is like the claim unemployment is going down because people have stopped looking for work.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX False, the 1% usage share does not stem from sales data, it comes from actual website hits during a monthly period.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 I gave one example it is hard to go over through them all in the limited space here but yes in web metrics that is how they are determined but the user agent is not 100% accurate. Think of all the plugins made to hide user agent. Heck OS X was counted as 1-2% until a few years ago as a result of that same problem. And that data is only from reporting sites...
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX User Agent cannot be hidden. It's an H T T P protocol. If you block it, you can't get access to the internet.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 you do got tools to hide your operating system or spoot it. identify as?
I can fool the website to be internet explorer or opera or safari..
So yes you can
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord You can only spoof it, but I hardly think anyone would do that, heck, 99% of people out there don't even know you can do that. So that's an automatic 1% margin of error that I'll take any day.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 But it can be spoofed rather well. In fact this is something many Antivirus programs do. Mis lead what ver of win you are on. User agent tells: browser and OS, but those parts of it can be spofed in many ways. I can clock my user agent so as far as the sever I access is concerned I am IE6 on win XP even using FireFox on Linux. Yes I have to give one, but it don't need to be accurate.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX
Statistics is not Real Life TheShow.. We call it here you got statistics , statistics and lies..
And don't forget not every linux user browse the web with their linux machines like home theater pc's , xbmc etc.. But for lala statistics are facts while that just is not true
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord No, it'll be more of a case that Linux users using their Linux to browse the web, while using Windows for anything else (other than the web: Photoshop, iTunes, gaming, etc).
So it stands to reason that Windows' "online" market share is underestimated, since Windows tends to be used "Offline" by OS X and Linux users due to its perceived "less secure nature"
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Heck I have 1000 sites here who median Windows share is 65% but I would never argue Windows is less than 75% right now. Honestly based on all the raw data I see on on a monthly basis I would say right now the brake up is.
Win 80%
OSX 8%
Linux 6%
iOS 4%
Android 4%
And that is based on raw usage data of about 25000 blogs, stores, and so on. Now there is a 2% margin for error in that metric. But that is the raw data.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX I do not account for "Mobile" OSes in the Desktop Market share segment.
As it stands: Windows has a 93% share, OS X: 6%, Linux: 1%.
Android, iOS, tablets, are not Desktop OSes.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Android and iOS and mobile browsers are counted separated friend :)
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@lala51750 Your own source for Linux 1% claim says Windows has less that 80%. So what it is under-counting Windows by about 15% but the Linux count is correct? That is an interesting claim.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX And the data that you just spewed, is 100% BS, you just made it up on your mind. LOL. What an idiot.
Check out OS market share on Wikipedia. Linux is listed at 1% throughout. That's 10 independent market share trackers for you (with 100 of billions of monthly hints combined between them).
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Yes ofcourse because you believe so much in statistics ;)
Wikipidea is not really a reliable for statistics You better check google.com as statistics
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Fail sarcasm. Wikipedia is all you need for statistics as long as you can verify the sourced data (it's is linked).
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 you think wikimedia gets more hits then google bing and yahoo together?
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord No, Google, Bing, and Yahoo get more hits, but their statistics aren't public.
Wikimedia is a free non-profit public foundation, and it's ranked #5 globally, that's your best bet at the moment. 4 billion hits per month should take out any biases too.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 You can claim BS all you want but that is off of raw feeds across many countries and demographics, while I personally believe OS X has closer to 12%+ and Linux 8%+ the data only supports the 8% 6%. It sounds like you want the metrics to tell you windows has 90% so you ignore any data that says other wise. The same with the 1% you want it to be true so you only look at data that tells you what you want and ignore that that same data tell you Win is under 80%
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@lala51750 I mean in 2008 between 8% and 9% of all computers sold were running a Linux OS but only 0.25% of them were reported to the the metrics as a Linux system. The fact is Linux is not really counted in the metrics, and that is why it is reported that way. How many blue cars will you find if you only count green cars kind of thing. You will find the odd Blue-Green car to count, but no one would consider that a good count of blue cars. Same with how Linus is counted.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX You don't get it.. a percentage of computers sold within a year does not constitute an overall market presence metric. I'll give you a simple analogy:
Prior to 2008:
There were 1000 apples in the market and 2 oranges.
In 2008, 92 apples and 8 oranges were added (a 92% to 8% ratio). Overall market now:
Apples: 1092 (99%)
Oranges: 10 (1%)
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 I did not say it did. I was merely pointing out one of the ways in which the metrics don't count properly. To be honest re rally only know how many legal OS X systems there are. MS constantly counts systems that are not systems to create more favorable metrics, the uses age metric is not a broad enough sampling to have a good count. I could find you a metric that claim Linux is 50% but it is as much BS as the 1%.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX The top 10 global metrics are listed on Wikipedia, all of them point to the same fact: 1% usage share of Linux.
I'd say Wikimedia is a trusted source (sine it's a free non-profit foundation) and hosts Wikipedia (in all languages) and all of the other sister projects.
Wikimedia gets around 4 billion hits monthly (Wikipedia is a top website), of which, Linux accounts for 1%. That's all the proof that you need.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 id prefer see statistics of google.com and yahoo.com and bing together and take the average
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord None of those sites reveal statistics. Your best bet is either Stat Counter (it gets 30 billion hits per month from 300,000 different websites across 200+ countries), or Wikimedia (ranked as the 5th most popular website globally).
Wikimedia gets 4 billion hits monthly, of which, Linux is 1%.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Well your source claims in some of those that many of the "other" are actually Linux, which happens to be true. So some of those metrics tend to count GNU/Linux as other, while others acknowledge it as Linux. And your source also claim Windows is around or rapidly approaching an 80% share not over 90% on any of them. So if you want to claim Lin a 1% then you also claim Windows at about 80%
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX But that's a useless argument. The percentage statistics listed on Wikipedia have nothing to do with sales.
They are solely based on internet traffic hit.
For example, In Dec 2011, the Wikimedia foundation (Wikipedia in all languages and its sister websites), had 4+ billion hits worldwide from 205 countries, of which, Linux accounted for 1%.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 Actually Linux account for about 3% if you count android, but yes one site. And user agent has all the flaws I have already pointed out Heck OS X went from 1.8% to 5% over nite because the industry decided not to block it. Heck 4 of my computers count as Win XP in the metrics even though they are Linux because of user agent spoofs.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX Android isn't Linux, much like how Linux isn't Unix (despite the fact that Linus stole most of the code from Unix).
Anyway, this is futile discussion, Linux is a hobby nerd OS, that's all I can say. Have fun watching this video:
watch?v=DafxrlTA4ug
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 It is a professional operating system.. Made by professional companies.
It has a full potential to grow.. Because of it's nature.. You can stick your hand in the dirt.. But we will see in 10 years. How the market will respond..
Linus didn't steal any code.. He made a unix LIKE clone , it has a totally different code
Neither did Windows steal the GUI from Apple ;)
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord
Bill gates started it as a hobby writing a horrible os MSDOS
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@lala51750 So now you want to clam that the Linux kernel s not the Linux kernel?
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX And if you really think that more than 0.001% of people out there spoof their user agent, you are delusional. There will always be a margin of error, but it's no more than 1%.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
There are just some flaws in the user agent.. some stat counters see my OS as unknown, others see it as Windows, others see it correct.. google analystics is the only one who got it right at me
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Statistics statistics and lies.. its always a wet finger in the air .. hoping they got it right .
Why do you think the other 4% are always identified as unknown.. ;)
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord You're a retard. User Agent works 99.9999% of the time.
MrSataGYPSYpitiful 1 month ago
@MrSataGYPSYpitiful No they don't I tested it with 3 of my computers.. On 3 diferent systems.. It is a true hit or miss. .Why do you think 5% is detected as unknown? Can you Explain to me?
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@lala51750 So you are claim Windows has lost about 15% to 20% market share in the last few years than?
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@lala51750 ..
Honestly until there is a good OEM offering it will be counted as about 1% regardless of where it actually is. But even with all of that as of late the quote un quote 1% as be alot closer to 2% in many counting the 1.X as allot closer to 2, and this is known to be a real under count
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@lala51750 ...it may suprise you but one of the reasons I have always bashed on Ubuntu is for making some features a Linux system is capable of hard for a novice user to find. Unbuntu is not so bad if you have used Linux before as you know "oh I need to add this package" but a novice end user wont have a clue. Systems that are amid at novice users like Ubuntu have a responsibility to include all those packages out of the box in the interest of "it just works dammit"
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX True. Most computer users are novices that have a hard time finding their way around Windows let alone a nerd OS like Linux. They can't even tell you what hardware their system runs on.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 You can call it a nerd platform all you want but that make that true. Linux is as point and click as Windows and OS X today. In some cases more so. The "new" features like snap and so on that so many Win7 users like are from KDE and have been on Linux for years. In fact most of the "love it" features that have been added to Win and OS X in recent years came from KDE a predominant Linux desktop...
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX Linux is a nerd OS, only nerds use it.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
You can keep telling me how buggy it is and how bad the support is..
Not every person is the same. But don't spread the fud around that the linux community is only about wanting anything free... they want good quality software and are willing to pay for software music games movies and other material.. Calling us pirates is just plain wrong.. If windows 7 suits you and you find it fits better with the way you work go for it! Windows 7 is not my cup of tea
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord FUD? You haven't seen anything. I have a whole channel dedicated to exposing how shitty Linux is, with close to a 100k views so far.
And yes, it's not this channel.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750 That is actually no longer true, and some Linux users don't like that. The fact is Win has gotten bad enough that some users who don't want a Mac look for anything modern to use and find Linux. They don't know a modem from a frying pan but can click the button that says next. And that is a growing Linux user base. Truth is Linux is changing from IT people to a more diverse base like Mac did over the past few years.
TheShowThatSUX 1 month ago
@TheShowThatSUX That's being delusional now. 70% of Linux users still dual boot Windows, as a matter of fact. That pretty much proves that Linux is not a viable standalone desktop environment as the nerds are forced to fall back to use Windows for whatever reasons (probably iTunes, productivity, and entertainment).
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
YES nothing wrong with using both. 1 for games one for daily use
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@lala51750
Yes nothing wrong with dual boot is it
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord 0% of Windows users dual boot Linux.
The fact that 70% of Linux losers dual boot Windows means one thing: Linux is not a viable Desktop OS, since they are forced to fall back onto a different OS. The same is not true for Windows. LOL.
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
I am not ashamed.. I dual boot thru VirtualBox.. Windows XP.. are you happy now
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord I know that you do, what do you use Windows XP for?
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
I use it for photoshop.. It's not pirated it is bought..
MrDemilord 1 month ago
@MrDemilord Why not run Photoshop through Wine, friend?
lala51750 1 month ago
@lala51750
That version I own doesn't run in it friend =)
MrDemilord 1 month ago