Jeff Durbin debates Jehovah's Witnesses : part two

[IsaacBG84]

There a three basic Christ worldviews : Trinity, Oness and Unitarism......a respect all f them but i completly disaggree with Arianism, jehova witness because they see Jesus as a mere Angle a creation of God

[55k3v1n]

Those Jehovah Witness guys are so unreachable. You just can't get them to see simple truths.

[Haukman66]

This video was excellent. I have been dealing with some Jws on other videos, saying the same things, but the arguments they come up with are just crazy! Thank you for sharing these. God bless.

[itiswritten77]

I believe that the trinity is require for salvation!! To believe in the trinity or not is matter of believing in the real or false Jesus. Therefore a false Jesus cannot save nor can u hav a relationship with him.

[greatestgiftis]

You never answered my question, if you don't mind I would like a answer.

How can you're whole religion be based on Jesus being a Angel when Jehovah himself says he has Never said to a Angel TODAY I WILL BE YOUR FATHER AND YOU SHALL BE MY SON or he states Never has he Ever told a angel to sit at his right hand, I could go on and on from scripture alone. So Jehovah states one thing an the watchtower says different , we both can read Heb 1, so how is Jesus a angel.

Which angel Jehovah ask?

[younot2funny]

I have one final question for you, as I have at least left you with some things to think about.

But before I do I would NEVER alianate ANYBODY, whatever their beliefs, as cults.

For example, you said the Muslim faith is a cult. I would NEVER say that. *NEVER* !!!

I would consider it an insult AND SO WOULD *THEY* !!!

Whatever you say, Jesus exposed the lies, BUT DID NOT INSULT THE *ROMANS* !

Can you see the point.

Respectful question: Is believing the Trinity a REQUIREMENT for SALVATION?

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny I have a video on the trinity, scripture only, watch it read the scriptures and then you tell me

[greatestgiftis]

Goodnight

[greatestgiftis]

Go read the gospels and see what the apostles said and did, and then see what Jesus said and did, even turned tables and made a whip drove them out. Also book of corinthians says the Christian is to tear down and dismantle all false views.

Now unless you have something rather than your emotions and opinions.

Like scripture, I'm not interested thx

[greatestgiftis]

Look this video is to help open the eyes of The blind about who Jesus claimed to be. What the bible says about his deity, his attributes etc.

It's not about the other religions . So unless you want to adders these things , be happy to, if you don't want to that's fine . Move on and don't spam the page with none sense about other topics that have nothing to do with watchtower or the deity of Christ

[greatestgiftis]

It's clear the watchtower does your thinking, I hope one day you'll think for your self, and study for your self. I hope the lord grants you mercy some day and as I said open your eyes, because I or no man can convince you of anything , one has to look at the evidence and address Jesus divine side his attributes as well as his human side, we can't erase either we have to deal with both

[greatestgiftis]

I hope by the grace of God he opens your eyes some day, all jokes aside read and study the bible alone, I know they forbid you to do that, as I listed there own quotes , but trust in the real Jesus for salvation, unless you believe he is God you will die in your sins. Jesus words not mine

[greatestgiftis]

Also, what are the apostate doctrines spoken of in the above quote? Of course, that would be the Trinity, the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit, the physical resurrection of Christ, etc., all things the Watchtower organization denies. So, if you read the Bible by itself, reading it for what it says, without the Watchtower guiding you, you will adopt these doctrines -- which the Watchtower says are not true!

how does one get the trinity from the bible reading alone. hmmm, unless it teaches it

[greatestgiftis]

Comment: So, if you think independently, find fault with something the Watchtower says, then you are like Satan. Is this freedom of thought? Is this how Christ works in the church? Hardly.

[greatestgiftis]

Quote: "From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah's people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude...They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such 'Bible reading,' they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom's clergy were teaching 100 years ago..." (Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1981).

[greatestgiftis]

These few quotes should be more than adequate to demonstrate that the Watchtower not only maintains a control over the thinking of its adherents, but actually discourages independent thought. This is definitely one of the signs of a cult.

Romans 14:5 says Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind." The Bible wants us to think and to be convinced in our own minds ,However, the Watchtower does not want its people to be convinced in their own minds. It wants them to submit to the Watchtower

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

>cult

Ahhhh, that sooooo ORIGINAL.

And where may I ask did you come up with that one, ALL BY YOURSELF?

You sound just like all the OTHER Trinitarians, the ALL sound the same, they ALL sing from the same SONG SHEET. So WHO BRANWASHED *YOU* ???

See, we can play your silly little childish games too.

MEANWHILE... if somebody is going to be called a cult, YOU ARE MISSING THE ***BIGGEST** OF THEM ALL.

Know which one... you should, you know the words already.. so why are silent?

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

Here is the ***BIGGEST*** - "cult":

They have an Infallible Leader. Who? They preach that God has a MOTHER! Who? They call their priests Father when Jesus forbid it expressly! Who? They say you can only eat certain foods on certain days, Paul expressly for but it! Who? They say you don't have to read the Bible for Salvation! Who? They burnt translators to death for translating into OUR languages! Who? They persecuted the Jews and forcing them to convert! Who?

Yes, WHO ???

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny if your talking about the Roman catholic church I'm not part of it nor am I catholic, but I noticed the same things you hold them into contempt your watchtower does the same, your both guilty of some of the same things, lol, the only true church etc . So if you think there a cult for that what does that make the watchtower. Boy I here'd they brainwashed you guys against the Catholics

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

So WHY are you not calling *THEM* a cult ???

Could you explain to me why the "Church" that has massive amount of BLOOD on its hand is NOT A CULT ???

A I MISSING SOMETHING.... Oh oh, it couldn't... surely not, but what other conclusion could there be... it must be because they...

BELIEVE THE ***TRINITY*** !!!!

They can *SIN* to HIGH HEAVEN and cause all sorts of EVIL CALIMITY...

But they are **FORGIVEN** because they BELIEVE THE **TRINITY** !!

God is not that dumb. BEWARE !

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny there plenty of cults out there like yours, Mormons , Muslims , church of science etc etc. Has nothing to do with me, and your not into any of those cults so why would I attack them, there not her to defend there beliefs

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

>if your talking about the Roman catholic church I'm not part of it nor am I catholic,

Remember this son, YOU brought up the cult business, so it is YOU who have to reconcile WHY you call others a cult.

Did I say Catholic was a cult? NO, I simply asked you WHY *YOU* DIDN'T.

I do NOT insult *ANYBODY* by using the "cult" word.

That just makes me a LOOSER! - I will loose the person.

In Acts 28 Paul was told he belonged to a "SECT" !

We then as Christians should know better.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny yes I did my exact words was the watchtower is a cult, never mentioned the Catholics . Why did I not speak of the church of Rome , because your a JWs not a catholic.

So do you believe there a cult, I'll go with yea after all you had to say about them, as well as the watchtower.

So are they a cult , you brought them up

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

So do you consider the Catholic Church a cult ???

They believe in the Trinity?

Is there a cult version of the Trninity in your view? As there is certainly plainly many Pagan Trinities going back to Nimrodian Babylon more than four thousand years ago?

Are there good and bad Trinities?

I am asking these questions RESPECTFULLY, so please give it your consideration andreply without resorting to insults. I am not asking for much.

BTW "earning salvation" has gone out of flavour.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny correct there is cults out there who believe the trinity , just because one believes that doesn't make them saved , they can hold to that but incorporate other teachings that are unbiblical, take a works salvation for instance, you could believe the trinity, that is who God really is, but not believe his word his teachings, but what this has to do with the cult teaching of the watchtower I don't no, does more cults some how dismiss the other one. Focus on the bible an not man

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny weather you think it's gone out flavor God don't , and that's what matters not your view but Gods.

Ephesians 2:8

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

I will tell you why I never use the "cult" word, and no mature Jehovah's Witness would.

It is a sign of immaturity. When a conversation goes so far that you have to label the other person "cult" then you are no longer trying to win the other person over. YOU are now just intent on WINNING an argument.

That is IMMATURE.

It also means you have LOST the person you are talking to.

Now realy thinking ABOUT YOURSELF. At this point God's thinking goes out of the door.

Understand?

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

>but I noticed the same things you hold them into contempt your watchtower does the same

That too is a complete DISTORTION.

I have family that I love that is Catholic. Have you thought about that?

But even if what you say is right, WHY are you not then calling them a "cult".

I would never say that to any of my Catholic relatives, WHAT AN ISULT. I mean, I cannot think of anything MORE UNCHRISTIAN & *UNLOVING* TO DO.

Would YOU treat your family this way. I HOPE *NOT*.

[younot2funny]

LET ME ASK YOU THIS:

If you had a family relative who was a Jehovah's Witness, would you go up and accusing him of being a "cult' - or does that not strike you that you'd be a complete heel if you did?

Please, be sensible about. it just is plain NOT NICE and in front of your other family members who may not have you bias, it would be plain EMBARRASSING.

Anyway, that is how *I* would feel if I was in your shoes.

From a Christian point of view, this strikes me as UNSEEMLY! I would never do it.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny no can't say a Jehovah witness but of other religion that was a cult yes. Then sate down explained why and how it was a cult, and not to be made or ashamed, but that they should be upset with the false religion they where into, that they where not the only victime, and they where up set, but late thank me. But even if they rejected the truth and hated me, that's fine. I'd rather obey the bible than please men by a false love which is deceit . Jesus openly rebuked now that's love

[greatestgiftis]

The Bible can only be understood via the Watchtower organization. (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).

Cannot understand the Bible outside of the Watchtower organization

(Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981).

The truth of God can be known only through the Watchtower organization.

(Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8)

Those who think apart from the Watchtower's guidance are like Satan

(Watchtower, Aug. 15, 1981)

i love when they claim the watchtower does not control there thinking,

[greatestgiftis]

later everyone , have a nice day im going fishing

[greatestgiftis]

now you have been ask questions regarding hebrews 1, which angel did God call his son? what is his name , which one?

if you cant answer thats fine, just say i don't have a answer ill get back o you, or i cant answer it. but don't come on and try and answer a question with a question,

its Ok if you cant answer it, why because there is no answer to it. God has never did it, so that should tell you jesus is not Michael

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

This "cult" also teaches:

That its VICAR is some kind of Christ on Earth today. They also teach EVOLUTION in their schools and was ratified by their fourteen "wise men" in the 60s.

Do YOU believe in Evolution?

They don't believe Adam was for real, that the Flood was allegorical. They believe that Church Law overides God's Laws in the Bible.

They MUST OBEY THE *CHURCH* FOR SALVATION!

They have sanctied more WARS than any other "cult" or religion that has EVER existed!!!

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny if you have a problem with Catholics go to there videos, other wise your just whistling in the wind, I'm not catholic . Sorry to burst your bubble, sorry that attack has no bearing on me

[greatestgiftis]

Hay they have web site out there that answer all these questions , its a christian web site called Carm,org

if you want answers go there, if you want to spam the channel with none sense your going to end up getting blocked, this is for people who have question and want answers, people who are willing to look at evidence, people who get ask question then give answers, etc. not for people out spouting there opinions or watchtower theology. bible only here. God is final authority not man

[younot2funny]

“I will be his Father, and he will be my Son” - if he is a SON, he is a created being.

"Let all God’s angels worship him" - Prof J BeDuhn of Arizona - NOT A JW - highly disputes the Greek word translated that way. Angels are subject to Jesus for sure.

>there goes the whole watchtower theology

HOW WEAK THAT RESPONSE IS !!!

And NO !!!! There are many ***MANY*** who has ZERO to do with 'watchtower' that ALSO ***AGRE*** !!!

This does not worry you? MANY QUESTION THE TRINITY. ***MANY*** !!!

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny first off that silly answer does nothing but prove ignorance about jesus being created, Today i will be a father and he shall be a son, JESUS was not always the son. prior to that he was the eternal word. You see the Jws will make scripture contradict scripture to fit there cult, how can the bible say his eternal and created, hmmm.

OH and you didn't answer the question God ask WHICH ANGEL?

[greatestgiftis]

YHWH wants to know to WHICH angel did he EVER say you are my Son today i will be your father ?

he wants to which angel? whats his name ?

to which ONE did he say sit at my right hand?

God is the one asking the question so which angel was it?

[greatestgiftis]

To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power,

for ever and ever!” 14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.

again another problem All of heaven is worshiping a angel according to watchtower theology, not to mention YHWH does not share his glory with ANYONE specially a angel a created being

the watchtower has to deny scripture in order to uphold its teachings, its like in this video, did jesus raisehimself

[greatestgiftis]

Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying: “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and praise!”

[greatestgiftis]

To which of the angels did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand

according to watchtower theology jesus is Michael the arch angel, but the YHWH say's he has NEVER CALLED A ANGEL HIS SON, OR THAT HE HAS NEVER SAID TO ANY ANGEL SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND. Not to mention the father is worshiping a angel a created being here in Hebrews 1 according to the watchtower YHWH is praising a created being. much more could be said.

and you wonder why its a occult and none christian

[greatestgiftis]

But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e] 10 He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

11 They will perish, but you remain;

[younot2funny]

MY BEST WEAPON:

My best weapon when asked a question is not some Watchtower. I read the Bible every day, but not necessarily something in a Watchtower or publication. I speak the TRUTH, and I know other JWs can say the same thing.

But a Concordance is the best weapon of all - and I reckon the last used by Trinitarians, because it just so easy blows it out of the water.

Lookup "brothers", every instance in NT and you will be blown away about the inter-relationships. Try it and get back to me.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny My best weapon is the totality of the bible,

For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”[a]? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”[b]?

 6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him

there goes the whole watchtower theology.

angels worshipping angels, God the father saying he never has called a angel his son , there goes michael

[younot2funny]

*SO* CHRIST HAS BROTHERS:

Paul later CONFIRMS the "BROTHERSHIP* relationship with his disciples:

"All stem from one, and for this cause he is not ashamed to call them “BROTHERS,” as he says: “I will declare your name to MY BROTHERS; in the middle of the congregation I will praise you with song.” And again:...“Look! I and the young children, whom Jehovah gave me.”

They viewed Jesus, NOT as God Almighty, BUT AS THEIR *BROTHER* !!

A Concordance investigation of NT is PROOF enough! No WT needed.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny so they called him there brother, who they held was eternally God and worshiped .

you see your to quick to defend the watchtower rather than look at what scripture teaches, you have to address jesus devine attributes being eternal, you have to look and deal with these scriptures, not what the watchtower feeds you

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

Hang on on a cotton minute... is THAT your answer...

>you see your to quick to defend the watchtower

Com'on, that a bit too lame, just mention "watchtower" and that means this is your "get out' card. Honestly, this is what you Trnitarians do all the time, duh it's the watchtower. Duh...

THAT IS SO WEAK !!!

Isn't about time you fellows JUST ANSWER THE QUESTIONS !!!!

>so they called him there brother

That's RIGHT, the DID! Now don't dismiss it so blandly - ANSWER IT, OK ?

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny now you know that was not the answer giving to you, i said that then went on in the same post and give answers, being dishonest

the answer giving was hypostatic union, and what i said was true you never looked into nor have studied the 2 natures of jesus, Divine & Human, you are to worried about defending there doctrine, you have a answer now go study

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

Now I answered your quetions, how about answering a few yourself.

How can Jesus call the Father be called MY GOD and IN THE SAME SENTENCE ALSO "YOUR GOD" ???

Why did Jesus simply not say what YOU would have LIKED him to do?.

BTW, when you say Jesus is the Son of God, do you really belive Jesus is TRULY a REAL *SON* or not?

If Jesus is not God *REAL* Son, but "God The Son" - of course no scripture says that.

Are you not DENYING that Jesus *IS REALLY* the SON of God ?

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

And don't use the Duh it's the watchtower excuse... OK.

Besides, the watchtower doesn't write MY questions, nor the questions put by OTHERS who do not believe in the Trinity.

And if you are not going to answer ***MY*** questions, then can you at least confirm this simple fact:

The TRININITY is a ***MYSTERY*** !!!

True or False ???

I am waiting for at least THAT.

[younot2funny]

GOD DOES NOT HAVE BROTHERS:

His words to Mary words are clear:

“Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God."

Jesus calls them "MY BROTHERS"

He says to them: "MY FATHER, YOUR FATHER"

Likewise: "MY GOD, YOUR GOD"

So *ONLY* the Father is GOD ALMIGHTY.

That now means Jesus is TRULY THEIR BROTHER, their *OLDER* BROTHER.

So he was BROTHER Jesus to them.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny again these are the same question the watchtower gives to all there followers, many times over these same questions come up and get dealt with, look at WHAT THE BIBLE STATES ABOUT JESUS, HIS DIVINE SIDE, HIS HUMAN SIDE, does angels have the same attributes as God the father, NO , its impossible for a created being to be eternal, Ominscient, Omnipresent, etc. but jesus does, so look at his devine side, then see how he HUMBLED HIMSELF and took on the flesh, study Hypostatic union

[younot2funny]

GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED:

This is where the Trinity falls at the FIRST HURDLE.

After baptism Jesus was tempted in the Wilderness:

"I will give you ALL THE KINGDOMS of the WORLD if you do one act of worship to me."

Can Jesus be TEMPTED when he ALREADY OWNS EVERYTHING ?

Can GOD be TEMPTED into worshipping a CREATED BEING ??

It is ludicrous, PLEASE !!! Clearly Satan wasn't wasting his time. What can YOU give to TEMPT God?

But IF Jesus was God's only-begotten created being, A BIG WIN FOR SATAN!

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny ok now stop and think and look at All of scripture, first of scripture states jesus is eternally God,

john 1:1, micah 5:2 , isaiah 9:6, etc. now that the bible has established who jesus was before his incarnation eternally God, the Alpha and Omega, we then look to see what the word=jesus did, he was God humbled himself and took on the Flesh Phil2:6-8, John 1:1-14, so jesus was fully God and fully man, Hypostatic union, satan tempted the human side of jesus, the flesh, study it

[younot2funny]

Hi Guys

I would like to open this question to others who may read this.

As Jehovah's Witneeses we go form door to door.

This means we meet people of EVERY SORT, from housewives to hard-core Evolutionist, some who believe in God, Catholics, Bhuddists, Hindus, philosophers, politicians, captains of industry, workers and labourer, policemans, rich and poor, people with all kinds of ideas and beliefs... yet...

WHY ARE TRINITARIANS THE WORST BEHAVED, THE MOST RUDE ???

[greatestgiftis]

and bring something to the table like scripture, not interested in mans opinions, its what the scriptures teach.

[younot2funny]

ONE God.

THREE PERSONS ???

God DIVIDED ???

Into THREE ???

Well, don't even TRY to explain it...

NOTHING CAN EXPLAIN IT !!!

Should one's Salvation be based on something that is beyond human or ANY other understanding? Is salvation based on a Mystery in the same way that PAGAM MYSTERIES decided WHO was IN or OUT?

IS GOD A JUST MYSTERY ???

[greatestgiftis]

it comes down to this jesus sated ( HE) would raise himself, so he either lied or he did it!

[younot2funny]

""But that the dead are to be raised up even Moses disclosed... when he calls Jehovah ‘the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him.” In response some of the scribes said: “Teacher, you spoke well.” For no longer did they have the courage to ask him a single question."

So while they were PHISICALLY DEAD, they were NOT SPIRITUALLY DEAD.

That *TOO* apllies to Jesus OWN DEATH !

Jesus was raised before them.

[younot2funny]

But there is MORE:

Let have some clear thinking here, PLEASE.

Even when Jesus died he could *NOT* HAVE BEEN SPIRITUALLY DEAD.

Think about it, WHAT does it mean to be "spiritually dead" ???

It means *ALIENATION* FROM GOD !!!

That NEVER APPLIED TO JESUS !!! The Rightous are NEVER SPIRITUALLY, DEAD, LEAST OF ALL ***JESUS*** !!!

Please, I beg, PLEASE THINK CLEARLY.

When the rigjhtous one dies he is physically dead, BUT NOT SPIRITUALLY DEAD.

[younot2funny]

I don't know HOW anybody can take this as any but an unambiguous TRUTH - that is a CLEAR TRUTH.

If a person is dead and his "thoughts have perished" and "the living are conscious.. but the dead are conscious of NOTHING at all".

Now the question raised is sure this:

THAT ***DEATH** IS BOTH SPIRITUAL AND PHYSICAL.

Also, as Jesus pointed about, the LIVING can be spiritually dead. The ***:IVING*** !!!

I mean, that is WHY it is called a SPIRITUAL DEATH, because the are still breathing.

[hammerogod]

Arguing with Jehovah's Witnesses is like trying to teach a blind men to fly a plane.

I have tried.

I know several (ex-)members of the Watchtower Society (they have left the Society).

They were confused (and offended) by Scripture.

Not able to reconcile what the Bible said with what they had been taught.

Allow them to say what they have to say, then simply read from Scripture.

The Holy Spirit does the work.

We can only lay the truth before them.

Never argue.

Scripture has Power...let it work.

[customanalogue]

So we clearly forget what this was all about.

It was about SIGNS !!!

Hence Jesus said that wicked generation, rejecting what they were seeing with their own eyes, seeing MIRACULOUS EVENTS, and STILL asking for a SIGN.

Jesus: YOU will kill me, BUT the SIGN you will see is my RESURRECTION 3 days later!

THAT's a SIGN!

John and Peter got it.

Jesus was NOT MAKING THE POINT to those wicked men that he would resurrect himself. Duh!

Hence Trinitarians miss the REAL POINT of what Jesus said.

[greatestgiftis]

@customanalogue

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Matthew 26:61 and declared, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.'"

Mark 14:58 "We heard him say, 'I will destroy this man-made temple and in three days will build another, not made by man.

read your bible and let it be the final authority instead of Men at the watchtower, because it is the inspired word of God that says it not man

[customanalogue]

The Jews denied that Jesus was the Messiah and they asked for a sign.

Jesus knew their wicked reasonings, asking for a "sign" when he was performing MIRACLES right in FRONT OF THEIR EYES.

We forget, THEY EVEN WITNESSES LAZARUS *RESURRECTION*!

Yes, the resurrection of Lazurus was a MAJOR PUBLIC EVENT!

Yet, they still asked for a "sign"???

A few verses after he says "raise this body" John adds:

"...many people put their faith in his name, viewing his signs that he was performing."

SIGNS !!!

[customanalogue]

"the Jews said to him: “What sign have you to show us, since you are doing these things... But he was talking about the temple of his body... When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this; and they believed the Scripture and the saying that Jesus said."

Note John says "when he was raised" - not that Jesus raised himself. John KNEW and got the point. So did Peter: "This one God resurrected... we are witness."

There is NO Trinity here! ZERO!

[customanalogue]

LET SANITY PREVAIL:

Can a DEAD person RESURRECT HIMSELF? Does a DEAD person even have an AWARENESS that he is DEAD?

"The dead are conscious of nothing at all."

So Jesus was "conscious of nothing at all", did NOT even have an AWARENESS that he was DEAD.

The DEAD KNOW NOTHING !!!

Hah! They DO NOT EVEN *KNOW* THEY ARE DEAD !!!

This is Trinity Mumb-Jumbo nonsense. Clearly Jesus said no such thing.

Hence nobody examines what was the real POINT Jesus was making. NTW, what was that POINT? Duh !

[greatestgiftis]

@customanalogue Who, being in very naturea God,

did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

7but made himself nothing,

taking the very natureb of a servant,

being made in human likeness.

8And being found in appearance as a man

the body died not the eternal word jesus.

so once again your arguments have no wait, emotions and man's opinion

[hammerogod]

@customanalogue You make a lot of claims about the "Dead" that you can't possibly know. We, you and I, have no idea what happens after this life ends. We are given some hints in Scripture but you didn't even refer to them when you made your blanket statements about the dead. There are a few very limited descriptions of what happens after death and you ignored those. ~Eccl. 12:7 ~Luke 16 ~2 Pet 1:13 ~Rev 6:9-11 ~2 Cor 5:6-8 And possibly the most important passage of all: ~ Luke 23:43

[younot2funny]

@hammerogod

>There are a few very limited descriptions of what happens after death and you ignored those.

Frankly, I am not sure what you are getting at ???

Ignored what?

"The dead are conscious of NOTHING at all." Ecc 9:5

"In that day his thoughts do perish." Ps 146:4

Want more? What is there not to understand?

The dead are REALLY DEAD - and the only hope is what Jesus and Lazarus got: THE RESURRECTION. Question? Do you resurrect the LIVING? Of course not, ONLY THE DEAD !!!

[hammerogod]

@younot2funny

Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Obviously Jesus took the man's words as a statement of Faith and made a promise.

He made the same promise to me.

When I die, based on my Faith that Jesus is who He said He is, I am an heir to this promise.

Therefore, after death I will be with Jesus, in Paradise and aware or Jesus would not have used what He said to comfort the man.

Jesus (God) said the words.

I believe.

It's settled

[younot2funny]

@hammerogod

>Jesus would not have used what He said to comfort the man.

I had a friend die recently. Telling a dying person, as Jesus was to THAT dying man, that he will live again, that is not comfort unless he is in Paradise on that SAME DAY?

No comfort ???

I am sorry, but HOW can you come to a conclusion like that, it truly makes me scratch my head.

What GREATER comfort could Jesus have given - but LIFE ???

That man is still dead - as is billions of others waiting for a resurrection.

[hammerogod]

@younot2funny

Jehovah's Witnesses think funny.

Anyway:

2 Corinthians 5:8 (King James Version)

"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord"

Romans 8:23 (New King James Version)

"Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body"

"Spirit" and "Body" are different concepts.

You seem to be stumbling over that .

[hammerogod]

@younot2funny

Just an addendum:

We are not addressing Physical Death...the issue is Spiritual Death.

Everyone is appointed to die Physically.

Some are appointed (not necessarily appointed, but destined due to unfaithfulness) to die twice, Physically and Spiritually (not because God wants it that way but because they won't believe).

You know Scripture so I don't have to elaborate.

[younot2funny]

@hammerogod

>We are not addressing Physical Death...the issue is Spiritual Death

And then Jesus did NOT DIE ???

Sorry, but HOW can you not come to a simple and logic conclusion... oh, I forgot... the Trinity is *NOT* LOGICAL !!!

Hence, what POINT is there even discussing ANYTHING about the Trinity? One is NOT ALLOWED even to USE logic in discussing the Trinity.

You are then RIGHT - one cannot argue against the ILLOGIGAL and YOU will always WIN!

But the *REAL* TRUTH becomes the CASUALTY !!!

[hammerogod]

@younot2funny

"And then Jesus did not die?"

Of course He did..Physically.

The Spirit can't and won't die.

Jesus put the His Spirit back into that pile of clay after 3 days.

My Body may go into the ground but Jesus clearly said that my Spirit will be with Him until the resurrection.

And, since our Spirit is our true "Self", I will be aware of who and where I am.

The pertinent Scriptures can't be interpreted to mean anything else.

You can read into them whatever you choose, and be wrong.

[younot2funny]

@hammerogod

>Of course He did..Physically.

Well, at least we can agree that he died PHYSICALLY.

Alright then, explain this:

Where was Lazarus for four days? Did he go on a journey? Do all people who die PHYSICALLY go on a trip somewhere?

Was Jesus is "Paradise" between Friday and the Sunday morning? Did he go on a trip with the evil-doer?

Or is the evil-doer still waiting for HIS resurrection?

When Lazarus died a again PHYSICALLY, what happening to him. After all he did die TWICE? Yes?

[younot2funny]

@hammerogod

Why did Mary not recognise Jesus when she saw her on that morning. Why did she mistake him for the gardener. It was his VOICE that alerted here saying in a kindly tone "Mary."

Why did he then say to her "I have not yet ascended to the Father." This begs the question, did the evil-doer go ahead of Jesus?

When on the roads for many hours, why did two of Jesus' disciples not recognise him. It was not until evening when he broke bread. THEY SAW HIS FACE and yet did NOT recognise him !

[younot2funny]

@hammerogod

Why did Thomas see the damage on Jesus hands and yet on the road his two disciples did not see anything?

Nor did Mary.

Paul: "For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward THOSE WHO BELONG TO THE CHRIST DURING HIS PRESENCE."

This is truly puzzling. Jesus was the FIRST to be resurrected to EVERLASTING LIFE (Lazarus died again), then Paul says the OTHERS during Christ's Paruosia. ??

[younot2funny]

@hammerogod

Did the evil-doer go ahead, he was not a disciple of Jesus, just a last minute recant. Bible calls him an EVIL-doer.

Would such a man go ahead of the spirit annointed Christians at Pentecost, when the spirit was "poured out"?

NO! Paul says that his brothers, yes ***BROTHERS*** would have to WAIT until Christ's Parousia.

Whatever you decide to believe, ALL THE FACTS must FIT!

A Jehovah's Witness is a THINKING Christian. Not so sure about the rest. Trinity provides no answers.

[younot2funny]

@hammerogod

Did Jesus ***REALLY*** DIE ???

And I mean ***100%*** REALLY DIE ???

There is no middle ground here. In effect you are using the spiritual death versus physical death as a smoke screen. If Jesus was resurrected on the 3rd day, when was the evil-doer resurrected? Surely the GUARANTEE Jesus gave him was ON THE DAY.

PETER SAID JESUS FACED "CORRUPTION" BY DYING... !!! ???

Now HOW do you explain THAT. Did the evil-doer go to Paradise while Jesus faced ***CORRUPTION** ???

Nonsense!

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny first off you forget jesus was God second person of the trinity John 1:1, who humbled himself and took on a body Phil 2:6-8. and when he died it was his body that died, not jesus the eternal word. today you will be with me in paradise. then after 3 days christ came back and took back on the body.

difference between jesus and lazarus is jesus is eternal , Lazarus is a created being ,

One is God , the other the creation. that is why jesus can raise his himself, he is God

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

Greek JWs show John 1:1 to their fellow Greeks and say "You know that this doesn't say Jesus is God" and they agree but that they have "other books" or church writings.

WHY there is in English an argument over John 1:1 just shows how banal it has become.

In Acts 12:22 it says "a god's voice and not a man". Note it said ****a**** god and does in every English Bible.

John 1:1 is exactly the same, there are many who are called "gods" in the Bible, even the Jews.

Not ALLMIGHTY !

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny again go study , Revelations Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, he is Alimighty God,

Stop being brain washed and think for yourself .

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

That's your problem, I *DO* think for myself.

Believing in the Trinity is like NOT thinking at all.

"I am the Al′pha and the O‧me′ga,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty."

That is not Jesus talking. Jesus said worshippers would "worship the ***Father** in Spirit and Truth." He did not say the Son, he did not say THE [Holy] Spirit, but ***IN** Spirit.

The Jews did NOT believe a Trinity, even today. Nor did Jesus Jewish followers.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny YEP you can think!

Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Revelation 21:6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

i guess you didn't know that Alpha and Omega means eternal, this is why your religion is none christian you have 2 separate beings who are both eternally God. your a thinker alright

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny the jews also did not believe he was the christ so what does that mean, Nothing

and as far as jesus saying they would worship the father, then why is ALL of heaven worshiping jesus, as well as sharing the same glory as the father, which the father says he shares with NO ONE

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny WHY don't we see what the jews say john 1:1 says shall we > watch video John 1:1 - Patriarch of Jerusalem answers

and if its not that big of a deal then has the watchtower lied and tried to get greek scholars to back them, would you like a list of those who had to clear there name from such a translation as the NWT

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

God is clear ONE PERSON. You can say whatever you like, but it is a huge stretch to say that there is ONE GOD and then also *THREE* DISTINCT PERSONS.

How does THAT work ???

As me if I understand that? NO !!!

I ask YOU if you understand it? NO YOU DO NOT.

What is beyond your and mine's understanding is not something I am prepared to be a basis for FAITH and *TRUST* in God.

Even YOU cannot explain the Trininity. NOBODY CAN. NOBODY !!!

You can only ASSERT IT !!!! Not enough.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny I cannot fully explain that no more than you could explain God

Omniscient's or how isGod Omnipresent etc etc. You cannot explain it but that doesn't make them untrue does

It ?, No , why because it's in the word of God, we can't fully understand alot of things about God but never the less what is stated we must believe.

For your line of reasoning I don't know howyou would believe in God anyways according to your logic, you can't explain his attributes

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

I strongly disagree with you. EVERYTHING about the God I worship is explained by REASON.

The Trinity can NOT be explained by REASON.

One has to ask, does God expect us to believe something that totally ABANDONS LOGIC & REASON?

The answer is simple: Remove the Trinity and these OBSTACLES GO AWAY!

The power of REASON God has given me now leads me to give Him ALL THE GLORY !!!

And my head is clear and there is no fog, no confusion. And I can go on with the next puzzle. :-)

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny then by all means explain how God is everywhere at the same time> Omnipresent

or his Omniscients please explain it totally how god does it. You cant !

as i said you believe it but cant explain, same with the trinity, no one can fully understand God.

But his word is clear he is a triune God, and there all eternal and posses the attributes of God because they are the same God, read your bible abandon the cult teachings of the Tower

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

I never said God was omnipresent. Omnipotent, yes.

I gave you a considered reply why the Trinity gets in the way of truly understanding God. It was considered and respectful and explained my inner thoughts. This clearly means nothing to you? Instead you reply very unkindly called me non-christian etc.

Now may I admonish you in a better spirit than that. Do NOT belittle the earnest beliefs of others.

Wy are Trinitarians so INTOLERANT ?

Why are Trnitarians so CONDESCENDING ?

[younot2funny]

@younot2funny

There is also another good reason why I don't believe in the Trinity:

Those who promote the Trinity come across as HIGHLY ABUSIVE !

I talk to all sorts of professed Christians and while I may not agree with some things, BUT I WANT TO GAIN THEM, being abusive...

WHY? If that peson has a genuine belief, then they deserved to be treated with respect.

The behaviour of Trinitarians is often VERY disturbing to me.

Of all the religionists I meet, WHY ARE THEY THE MOST ABUSIVE ???

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny  I didn't say you did, I assumed you believed God was Omnipresent , after all that's one of his attributes. Secondly the reason I ask you to explain something that you cannot does not change that God is Omniscient or Omnipresent etc. But you believe it because scripture teaches it, well it's the same thing bible teaches Jesus is God as well as the father , holy spirit, but yet there is only 1 God, and they claim to be 1, then it's obvious bible teaches it, watchtower even agrees

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny well welcome to the real world the same one Jesus and the apostles preach in, go back through your word and you'll see righteous anger, you will see how the false religions get exposed, sometimes it was done in love sometimes in righteous anger, either way all biblical, I don't think you would have like Jesus preaching. Brood of vipers , religious hypocritic etc.

You see a real child of God don't get angry at the person, there angry with those behind false religions, Satan etc.

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

I have been called a paedophile on youyube. I would NEVER call anybody that. I said I had to go to bed, and I was told I was going to m... I won't repeat here. I have been told I believe in a cult, sometimes even an occult, been brainwashed, that I am a false prophet... and much more, some of which I will type because it is so disgusting.

In daily life NO CHRISTIAN SHOULD TALK THAY - I DO *NOT* !

In 1914 I went from door to tell people the end was coming ???

I DID NOT !!!!

[younot2funny]

@younot2funny

> In 1914 I went from door to tell people the end was coming ???

> I DID NOT !!!!

Just a correction, that was meant to be *1975*

I was naturally not born in 1914. :-)

On 1914, watched History Channel yesterday and WW1 1914-1918 was described as the "war that changed the whole world and empires that had exististed for many centuries ceased to be" and "seven times more destructive than all previous wars added together since the fall of the neo-Babylonian empire in 539BC."

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny you must be talking about the false prophecy that the watchtower put out about the return of christ, if so that should be a red flag to you, 

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

I am quite sure that Jesus would not use SMUTTY language OR accuse NOBODY of something they have not been guilty off.

Yet we endure it both as JWs and as INDIVIDUALS.

One can only ask what the CENTRAL REASON for this is?

The TRINITY !

WHY ARE SO MANY TRINITARIANS SO DISGUSTING AND ABUSIVE ??

Don't deny it, you have not been at the pointy end of this stuff, but take my word for it THEY ARE !!

I can have decent discussions with most people but many Triniratians are not nice.

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny your right he would not accuse someone of something there not. But if they are he would and did. and as for the watchtower being a occult, they are , so i christian can call the watchtower or any other false religion a cult by the Authority of scripture giving by God.

Note you call all Trinitarians Disgusting, i thought you don't use smutty language, you also imply that we Abandoned Reason and logic, i guess we trinitarians are all dumb

we get it all the time, but im not child

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

>But his word is clear.. a triune God

I am sorry, but when I read passages like this I just shake my head:

"The hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will YOU people worship the Father... Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny hay your free to follow the man made watchtower, your more than welcome to follow man as the final authority, hay your free to do what ever you want or believe.

but if you come on my channel and want to address scriptures we can if your looking for biblical truth, if you have no interest then your free to leave. but yes the watchtower teaching is umbilical and is a Ocult, just like the Mormons etc. all false systems will be addressed on this channel

[younot2funny]

@greatestgiftis

>abandon the cult teachings of the Tower

It is right for you to be condescending and insulting, also slander.

I would *NEVER* say THAT about you!

That is where *WE* are different, no reason to make such insults. They don't work.

Knock on a few DOORS, meet some strangers. You would soon find yourself on the road to failure.

So Jesus says the Father is "MY Father" and "MY God" and "YOUR God".

NOTE THIS: Jesus called his disciples **BROTHERS** !

BROTHERS - yet SAME Father!!

[greatestgiftis]

@younot2funny it is right for me according to the bible, you do believe the bible.

preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

1 Timothy 5:20 Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning

Titus 2:15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

Titus 1:13 This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply..

[customanalogue]

When Jesus said to Lazarus:

""Lazarus, Come on out." The man that had been dead came out..."

Jesus resurected him and LAZARUS STOOD UP BODILY BY *HIMSELF*.

Does that mean LAZARUS RESURRECTED ***HIMSELF*** ???

Of course not. The Apostle Peter said:

"This Jesus, God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses."

Jeff Durbin completely IGNORES THE CONTEXT - he is desperate to read the Trinity into Jesus words - something Jesus did NOT intend.

Clearly PETER KNEW BETTER !!!

[greatestgiftis]

@customanalogue

who is the One speaking ? who is the one that says he will raise it up? Bingo jesus

Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

but i guess you deny it as well as everything else that don't agree with the teaching of the man at the watchtower.

Lazarus never said he would never Resurrect himself did?

so naturally it would be jesus, so lazarus has nothing to do with what jesus STATED ( HE) would do

[brofun]

@TheRedBlueBlues That's because he was not given the dignity of time to respond. 

[brofun]

This guy is unreasoning. Jesus did not raise himself. He also told the woman he healed, your faith has made you well. But, was it her faith that healed her?..or was it God? It was God who healed her thru Jesus..but, it was her faith that made God want to heal her. the same with christ's resurrection. Christ said he would raise himself..but, it was God who raised him because of Jesus' faithful course. Jeff Durbin keeps asking questions but he doesn't listen to the answers..

[greatestgiftis]

@brofun context is key, and it is the context that is being addressed,

Jesus said " i will" raise it up

[55k3v1n]

@brofun Jesus says your faith has healed you... because God recognises the faith and provides the healing. If the healed person walked around saying I healed myself because of my faith, that would be ludicrous. So if Jesus says I will raise (his temple or body up), but He knows it's the Father and not Him who is going to do it then He would be as ludicrous as the healed person. You are comparing apples and oranges with your claims.

[aldotkd1]

Awesome! I debated two JW today at my mom's house and even though I thought I was prepared, I did not have a chance to fully ask/explain what I had planned. PS, I did pray much before hand and I understand that the Holy Spirit can guide us, but I fell I could have down better.

[greatestgiftis]

@aldotkd1 Well happy to see you defend the true gospel , but even if you think you have failed or did not do the best job you don't know what will happen with that person, its all up to God anyways, the word is sharper than a two edge sword it does its job every time, you plant and God will do the rest

[itsnolongeri]

Thanx for the reply:) Sorry to hear ya dont have the full audios, i checked his site and nothing is free, which i found a little strange, would love to get his debates out for ppl to hear, also i would love to hear more to be better armed to witness but i dont currently use creditcards on the net so will have to go without, anyway hes great to listen to an im sure he has good reasons for his site setup, listened to all his stuff on youtube lol, cheers:)

[Defendthefaithorg]

@itsnolongeri Hey there! This is Jeff Durbin. We don't currently have anything for sale on our site at all. I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say "nothing is free". Our youtube channel is defendthefaithorg and all of our current audio is up and is absolutely "free". Hope that helps guys! :]

[brofun]

@Defendthefaithorg Hello Jeff. I notice that you choose not to listen to the answers to the questions that you ask. why is that? You also try to say ego emini means that Jesus was claiming to be the I am in exodus..but the context shows he was saying that he had been alive before abraham..It's easy to speak over others and make them look like they don't know what they are saying.

[greatestgiftis]

@brofun The Hebrew phrase ani hu which was translated as egō eimi in the LXX was an exclusive and recurring title for Yahweh (cf. Deut. 32:39; Isa. 41:4; 43:10; 46:4). Again, Jesus claimed to be the egō eimi (“I AM”) in the absolute seven (or eight) times (cf. Mark 6:50; John 8:24; 8:28; 58; 13:19; 18:5; 6, 8). In fact, in John 13:19 Jesus’ words are identical (minus the extraneous words) with Isaiah 43:10 (LXX):

[greatestgiftis]

@greatest. John 13:19: “that you may believe . . . that I am [hina pisteuēte . . . hoti egō eimi].” Isaiah 43:10: “that you may . . . believe . . . that I am [hina . . . pisteuēte . . . hoti egō eimi].” In conclusion, when Jesus Christ claimed to be the egō eimi He purposefully and appropriately applied the divine name to Himself. And the Jews unequivocally knew what He meant: “I AM.” “Undoubtedly,” says Robertson, [John 8:58] Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God

[brofun]

@greatestgiftis You need to read things more clearly. Deut is not a repetition of the title that Jehovah gave moses..Jehovah is simply saying 'I-I am he' in isaiah, he is simply saying 'I am the same'. These are not titles, but the simple use of language. If someone asks me if I am a carpenter, I answer 'I am'. Am I saying I am God?..not at all. You are reading into the text something that is not there.

[greatestgiftis]

@brofun I read very well thank you, I think the JWs should try it, Jesus you say claimed " I am " wasn't making himself out to be the same " I Am " as the father.

That's funny how is it those who can read Greek or Hebrew new exactly what Jesus was saying Not to mention the text it's self. The Jews later reply with blaspheme charge you a man

( MAKE THY SELF GOD)

they new exactly what Jesus was saying, even if they did reject him they still understood what he claimed, to bad the JWs don't

[greatestgiftis]

@brofun I am sent you ,

So Moses just went there said I am sent me, lol. Yes there names titles that belong only to the true eternal God YHWh, Alpha and Omega or " I Am that I Am has sent you" in That statement God is claiming to be eternal , the creator, one trueGod, so when Jesus applyed ēgo emi the Jews new exactly and later charged him with blasphemy, they said You a man make your self God, who was making there self god there? Context say Jesus was the one. So try reading as a whole

[itsnolongeri]

great stuff bro, i mean really please make these debates available on audio somewhere would love to hear full lenght debates

[greatestgiftis]

@itsnolongeri IM glad you liked it, the guy speaking in the video is Jeff Durbin.

he has his channel on here > Defendthefaithorg<

if i had the full debates i would upload them for ya but i dont, Sorry

[WilteredFire]

You often have to beat one scripture real hard into a Jehovahs Witness as it appears they seem to have a problem with understanding, the best way to get around this is to get THEM to read the scripture and not just quote it, that way because there programmed to just read rather then understand, this will help them to see for themselves. I had a discussion with a JW yesterday who then got a little mad and said the same thing as this guy "We're not getting nowhere with this" He couldn't answer me!

[greatestgiftis]

@WilteredFire That is true, and yes they are programmed,

[brofun]

@WilteredFire This is simply not true. Yes, you can repeat a scripture over and over..but, if you don't reason on them and listen to the answers..you aren't winning any arguement. You are just proving that you refuse to think and 'hear' the answers.

[greatestgiftis]

@brofun the very thing your saying the Jws do not apply to or do, the videos prove this, they refuse to hear and think for them selves, and that is Wilteredfire point. because they will not hear and think on what is being said you often have to keep repeating the verse or in his words keep beating the verse into them in order to get them to think, listen to the conversation in these videos again and you will clearly understand it or should i say hear it

[ishellreal]

Excellent videos my friend :)

[greatestgiftis]

@ishellreal

Thank you, the guy in the video Jeff his got his channel on here its called [ Defendthefaithorg ]

if you wanna check it out