Dare to Question Drug Prohibition!

[RUDY2295]

we should put an end to these fascist programs like D.A.R.E and abovetheinfluence and educated the benefits of marijuana. if we legalize it will put an end to overcrowding in prisons and the mexican drug cartels. LEGALIZE IT

Ron paul 2012

[crazyassblinddude]

so im not following the comment stream here, we should stop trying to take meth and cocaine and all that off the street? im pretty sure this whole uproar isnt just about marijuana, so basically what we're saying here is to just let the hard stuff and everything else go and its going to, basically all be alright? i must be ignorant because i dont follow how something thats illegal causes so much devastation can be somehow neutralized by legalizing it? i dont follow this thought process at all

[5canesNatcham]

@crazyassblinddude Drugs don't cause crime. The drug laws do. The crime comes from gangs and drug dealers arming themselves to defend their drugs and territory. And the reason drugs are worth as much as they are is just simply because they are illegal and the profit margin is so huge that people are willing to go to jail to make the money.

[crazyassblinddude]

@5canesNatcham i beg to differ someone under the influence of pcp who takes it upon themselves to murder their wife or girlfriend, or someone on heroin who's drug use endangers, in whatever way youd like t6o imagine, anothers life, has little to do with the purchase price or emthod, dare to question DP? i will, and i dare you to give me complelling evidence that open acces to cocaine, heroin, meth, all these things, is even remotly responsible? weed, ok fine, recsind prohib, but not others

[5canesNatcham]

@crazyassblinddude A drug prohibition is suppose to stop people from doin these things? that's funny, because it's worked so well hahaha. We've tried prohibition before with alcohol. ever heard of al capone. He made money from illegal alcohol and eventually he took ove chicago. Kinda like the drug cartels in mexico. And as far as drugs causing crime, it is alcohol that cause the majority of substance abuse related crimes and yet it's still perfectly legal for adults.

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

lol PCP is a dissociative. There are way too many myths about people going psycho on it. It does happen but its very rare. And making those things illegal really stops people from doing them? If they were legal, a lot less people would die and crime would go down for sure.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 uh right so the gangs and the cartels that peddle this multi million to a billion dollar buissness are just gonna go "aw shucks" and just go away? hmm..................what a quaint and lovely place you exist in

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

What do you think they are going to do? They'll obviously just take their buisness elsewhere.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 um where................americas a giaganitic consumer of druggs and other illicit substances..............basica­lly your telling me there gonna just skip texas and go back to peddling crack and coke in tiny little areas in south america.........never mind you still havent explained how legalizing this kind of thing somehow drops its health hazards and that we dont need to focus on education and rehab and prevention........

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

A heroin addict will OD or get aids and infections on the streets. If its legal a. it will be cheaper, reducing crime b. they wont OD because they can get correct doses and c. they will get clean needles. And yes lets focus on prevention rehab and education but lets not put people in jail by putting harmful things into their OWN bodies.

[almostskater3210]

@almostskater3210

Hell, even if i thought drug deaths would go up, I would still want it to be legal because the government has no right to dictate what we put in our own bodies!

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 hmm yea they do.......we dont live in anarchy there are laws and rules..........in fact if the government can in my opinion unduly deny gays the right to marry, they can probably do the drug thing to, hell michele obamas going after mcdonalds and their fats..........this whole they cant tell us what we put in our bodies is getting seriously tested these days, if theyll restrict hamburgers theyll restrict crystal meth

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

That's when we lose. When we can't even dictate our own lives. Cigarettes kill 500 k a year, alcohol- 100 k, Car accidents- 40 k, coke- 2500, heroin-2000, aspirin and the like-over 7000. over 300,000 die a year fro m physical inactivity and poor diet. Is the gov. going to start making us exercise every day and tell us what to eat? And don't even lecture me on laws. Anarchist are my most hated group and i love the police and law but come on

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 people like you? we cant solve or win anything, terrorist? you want them gone and you want them to stop killing hundreds of civillains in the middle east, but you dont want the US to hurt them, illegal immigrants? you dont want them touched, you dont want them deported or anything, child molestors and murderers? you dont want them to have to register or mandatorily self identify, basicaly, drug addicts? lump em in with all the above because you dont want to offend, i give up

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

I think we should have no business in the Middle East but if it was so easy we could just go in and kill all terrorists, good. Deport all illegals for all I care. illegals cause problems in my opinion. Sex offenders etc should register. I'm not a liberal at all. Don't even pretend that you know me. I just think that drugs should be legal. I also didn't understand your last sentence.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 whoa whoa hey no need for all that, this is just conversation guy its cool, and all i said was drugs being legal first of all doesnt make anything better, theres nothing glorious about drugs or drug addiction, i mean honestly making all that legal the world doesnt turn into a 24-7 loop of pineapple express, this is real life and these people have real problems, heroin crack pcp we need to elimante all that stuff and rehab, ask an addict, theres nothing redeeming about adictin

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

No... shit. Legalizing drugs would help the problem. Of course it wouldnt fix it. Tell me: what does making drugs illegal help? I said why making drugs legal would. Stop bringing up rehab because i agree with it but making people go to rehab DOES NOT WORK. They have to want to help themselves. That has nothing to do with its illegality anyways. And there is need for all that. When someone puts me in the group of "you people" and says with "us people" "we cant solve or win

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

anything" is pretty insulting and then going on a ridiculous, unnecessary rant talking about completely off subject topics trying to pin me as a liberal is just stupid. Plus the fact that you never countered my claims just makes your personal attack even more childish.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 uh are you black or soemthing? because you people has no racial connotation when discussing liberals or conservatives......i fail to see how calling you a liberal is a personell attack i fully support gay marriage but also have alot of conservative values, somebody calls me a liberal i laugh and inform them i vote independent, your young arnt you? i mean that in a refrence case because otherwise i dont understand, all i said was liberal, not n*****, i certainly didnt attack u

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

I'm white

You put me in a group and said "people like you? we cant solve or win anything"

I find it obvious why that is insulting (regardless if "you people refers to anything specific. I took it as liberal because you described liberal opinions after that. I find that more annoying than insulting.) But I ask you again: why does making drugs illegal help?

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 uh its illegal because a drunk and someone strung out on heroin are two diffrent people, and we can deal with alcholism with rehab, and we can certainly deal with weed, but id rather not send my kid to school with someone doing 6 ounces of colombian bam ba, and uh, oh yea, theirs nothing glorious or cool somebody overdosing in public....not a scene id rather be around, i like it illegal, final answer i guess, legalize it, piss of the gangs, whatever go ahead, i dont like it

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

Alcohol kills more, causes more suicides, car accidents, murders, domestic violence, social problems and more than any other drug. I knew a kid whose dad tried to kill him with a crossbow while drunk. Does that happen on heroin. More people OD on alcohol than heroin anyway. I don't condone drugs by the way. Alcohol is just as addictive as heroin and is the only drug in which you can die from the withdrawal. If it was legal, junkies would have safe locations to shoot up

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

so wouldn't ever OD in public or OD at all because there would be proper dosages. It could be regulated better, Normally safe drugs like MDMA would no longer be cut with meth, ketamine, PCP, heroin etc. Hard drug use would go down because people who smoke weed and other non harmful drugs would never be introduced to hard drugs by dealers. I was trying to by weed from a dealer once and he introduced me to thizzles... ya thats just a personal experience

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 you know what just give the rights to heroin and all those other drugs to a prescription or pharmaceutical company so noone could afford them, then when the violent crimes go back up, up the jail setence by 80 or so years, then maybe these rich kids spending 800 a day on drugs will think twice or find anew hobby, currencys the key pal, you raise the prices to a level thats unattainble by hick mcrick in the trailer park, he does something postive with his life, to expensive

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

Lol, addicts wont stop just because the prices are high. he will instead rob a store to get more funds, hence why making drugs legal would bring down crime. People will not stop doing drugs. That is just a fact. And you think upping the jail sentence is smart. People getting 80 years just for smoking something. That is just wrong. Countries with the death penalty for possession still have drug problems. And poor people do more drugs than rich kids.

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

And if the pharmaceutical companies get a hold of drugs and raise the prices, there will still be an illegal market that sells them for cheaper.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 LOL OH MY GOD so you just debunked your whole fucking arguement for making it legal anyway?????? if they were legalized the pharmaceutical companies would most likely be the purveyours of the governt regulated drugs, and there going to raise the priices, either sales tax or just regular tax, and because the govt regulates the drugs, there still going to go to an illegal market to get their drugs un filtered by govt reg, so im sorry, "legalize it" AMERICA LOSES EITHER WAY"

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

lol Why would the pharmaceutical companies control it. It wouldnt be like a prescription thing (The gov would regulate it). Anything that is illegal is harder to get, hence higher prices. That's just common sense. Who said they would have to tax the hell out of it. Alcohol was much, much more expensive during prohibition than it ever was legalized.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 well you just answered yourself in a way, heroin, coke, all manufactured substances, would be created and their content control by goverments, and uh, duh, theyd be created and distributed through a pharmacy or some drug company, i dont think the EPA is gonna handle heroin distribution, its gonna be a drug company, and their going to for FDA reasons cut down its potency, therefore words gonna get that the stuff's weak, so drug dealers get back biz, take aminute and think

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

I don't think it would happen that way. When heroin could be prescribed in Britain, its potency wasn't cut down. They know that if potency was cut down then everything would be for nothing. And another government organization could be founded that deals with this type of stuff. Seeing as how gov expenditure on the war on drugs would be eliminated and the stuff could be taxed, a lot of money would be saved.

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

But really, this doesnt matter to me because the bottom line is that we should have complete freedom when it comes down to what we put in our own bodies. Why would you raise the sentence to 80 years... much more than what most murderers get.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 if im the government? to be as open and honest as jeremiah can be with you? i dont give a flying fuck what you put in your body, your life means about as much as the blowjob i just got from that hot college chic interning in my office, im not going to let you do drugs legally because i havent profitted off it, and i cant find a way to feasibly control the drug trade as a whole, so your not gon do it till i get paid, you can rot your body and burn in hell for all i care, money

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

If my life means so little to you then why do you care if I go to jail for hurting myself? If you care so little why doing support spending billions on the war on drugs? Are you so selfish that you only care about something if you can profit? That's just sad

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210  uh the govt, like i dunno CIGARETTE? they kill they rot lungs you can die from prolonged use, they get revenue from tobacco companies, guess what, we havent found a way to make revenue from heroin, once we do? we;re gonna ahve anyone they want be able to freely get hooked, rehab is gonna turn into amulti billion buissness, its all money, all money, when they make revenue, your life could not mean less to the ol ISA, just wait for bucks to get made, prohibiton ends, simple

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

Please use better grammar. It's hard to understand what you are saying. I love how you seem to think heroin is like the worst thing in the world. Tobacco is more addictive. I said how i think the gov. should handle legalization and you don't agree, whatever. They don't want drugs legal. That is very clear. They have a way to make revenue but don't. An example of this is weed. It's not harmful at all (less toxic than water, cannot cause cancer and more) but is illegal.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 hmm no i dunno, you just said heroin is safer than cigarettes, your going a little off the rails for my taste, thats kind of like in another debate telling me white people are a bigger threat to the US than drugs, i cant concede heroin is safer than a cigg, and i already explained to you that you can regulate drugs, guess what, the illegal market will stil just undercut, people just stop showing up to get govt drugs.duh, nobody wins this is stupid

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

Yea right there going to cut prices lower than what the gov has to offer. They could never survive! The creation and distribution of illegal things is very, very expensive especially for things that need to be transported a distance. Like heroin and cocaine from colombia. Cigarettes kill 400,000 a year in America. Heroin kills 2,000. Heroin is not bad for you pure (except addiction, complications shooting up, stuff like that) I think tobacco is the worst drug then alcohol.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 off topic, whyd you call this an arguement? we could almost be sitting at a table discussing issues, i do alot of culture issues, its ahobby almost, but back to biz, what in the end realy happens then if you guys do get your way? i almost feelo like, even though you undercut the illegal, thats good i guess, but, how do you stop it in general? how do you cut addiction dependcy and all that? thats all i care about, and btw on an issues list, gays should get their rights before u

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

I called it an argument because that's what came to mind. I don't really care if we call it a debate or whatever. In my opinion, it's pretty much impossible to stop addiction. People will ALWAYS do drugs. Have a good rehab system is the only thing I can think of. We have more drug users in the USA than any other country and we have some of the strictest drug laws.

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

(1997-1999) "The figures for cannabis use among the general population reveal the same pictures. The Netherlands does not differ greatly from other European countries. In contrast, a comparison with the US shows a striking difference in this area: 32.9% of Americans aged 12 and above have experience with cannabis and 5.1% have used in the past month. These figures are twice as high as those in the Netherlands."

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

social Indicator Comparison Year USA Netherlands

Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+) 2001 36.9% 1 17.0% 2

Past month prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+) 2001 5.4% 1 3.0% 2

Lifetime prevalence of heroin use (ages 12+) 2001 1.4% 1 0.4% 2

Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population 2002 701 3 100 4

Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros) 1998 €379 5 €223 5

Homicide rate per 100,000 population Average 1999-2001 5.56 6 1.51 6

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

sorry about the confusing stats.

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

"Unlike alcohol or tobacco, heroin causes no ongoing toxicity to the tissues or organs of the body. Apart from causing some constipation, it appears to have no side effects in most who take it. When administered safely, its use may be consistent with a long and productive life. The principal harm comes from the risk of overdose, problems with injecting, drug impurities and adverse legal or financial consequences."

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 so assuming your stats are correct or this information is substantiated by science, i assume you pulled these numbers from a crediable source, i dont think you do that you seem genuine about your convictions about this, why then, if this group of chemical and organic matter is as non toxic as im led to believe, and assuming you were correct about the revenue possibilities for the drugs, why then does the govt continue to ban then? do you know what they know for prohibition?

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

I don't personally know why(A couple guesses would be fear and lobbying by tobacco, alcohol companies) I think you would agree weed is completely nontoxic (less toxic than water) does not cause lung cancer and has many medical values. That is still illegal also And I'm sorry but heroin is completely non toxic pure. People die because it is cut with stuff because it is illegal. (Again im not condoning it) Sorry that I did not put sources but they would not fit in the comments.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 hmm i mightve, on occasion, engaged in first person gathering of data of a little sticky myself, of course for the purposes of objectivity in this disscusion that information has yet to be substantiated by anyone else, well, who knows, almostskater? why the indecisiveness? maybe if you guys cleaned up your image, lobbied, , proactivly engaged the public in the positives of it, hell they just did away with dont ask dont tell, anythings possible

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

I'm 15. I can't do shit, and I wouldn't anyways because legalization supporters get a bad rep. and I'm very busy lately and I am also not that into it. Like you, debating is just a hobby. There are people lobbying for this anyways.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 its ahobby, untill you go out and vote, untill your active in spreading a message, untill you actually decide im gonna do something, im doing whatever it takes to spread awareness and messages about issues, activism, debate, lobbying, writing relentlessly to state legislature this and that, take alook into that when you get older if it seems like soemthing youd get invovled with, any issue is important, unless it sucks, im not lobbying for cats right or anything,

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

Ok but I'm hoping they will be legal by then.

[KripDrip]

cigarettes are legal and the drug dealers make almost as much money smuggling cigarettes! Theres a huge black market for cigarettes. Legalizing marijuana wont do a thing to the drug cartels!

[almostskater3210]

@KripDrip

Ya some people smuggle cigs and sell them without tax but its not like you buy them from a street dealer. I'm sure that even if smuggled weed would be cheaper people would still buy it legally just like most people buy cigarettes legally.

[Gallzatron]

@KripDrip are you absofuckinglutely retarded? there arent mexican cigarette peddlers. and if you think violent crime is going to erupt over tobacco, hahaha, then your fucking stupid. legalizing bud will effectively ELIMINATE the drug cartels. nnot too sure bout them coke and meth heads tho.

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 uh yea or even better? when they show up to get their illegal drugs? mandatory rehab, you know "arrest" them then ship them out to a detox and counseling center to get the drugs, you know, out of them maybe? so we're not just giving people the things that are unduly hindering their lives but rather were actually i dunno......HELPING THEM? giving them clean needles isnt helping them i think most drug addicts want out, not more, lets give them their out

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

Watch the BBC doc on meth and you'll see many dont want to be out of their addiction. People will do drugs regardless of whether they are legal or not. making them legal makes them safer. putting people in jail for that does NOT help them. Rehab doesnt even help most of the time. There can be rehab centers so if the addicts really wanted out they would go to them willingly.

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

What do you think these cartels will do?

[crazyassblinddude]

@almostskater3210 exactly what there doing in mexico.........i dont know why you idealogues think for some reason america means we're safe from the kind of violence down there...just because were in the "grand ol usa?" face it pal they dont care, and the only reason its not going on know is because the US government isnt selling the drugs, once they do that..expect i dunno.. RETALIATION? like what goes on all the time south of the border? you gotta get up on mexico right know man not pretty

[almostskater3210]

@crazyassblinddude

You think the cartels are going to come into America and wreak havoc because they are illegal. Did they wreak havoc when we sprayed their crops with pesticides or helped Colombia take down coke factories. The reason that happens in Mexico is because of their shitty gov. and the fact that Mexico is where the cartels are located. Your saying we should give into the pressure of the cartel and basically give them business. I though America didn't negotiate with terrorists?

[MrSleeps]

i've seen jenn1fer on her quest to find these video's and make her anti drug comments and here is what i say to people like her, good luck making this a 100% sober america never gonna happen because i you want to make all drugs illegal say good bye to your coffee, say good bye to alcohol, cigarettes, tylenol the list goes on and all of these things kill more then marijuana does its proven. when its illegal kids have easier access to it as well.

[eppoeh]

@MrSleeps thumbs up! but what the heck is tylenol... will google for it^^

wanted to try xtc last time... damn freaky illegal dealer on the street gave me pure mdma powder cause he didn't had xtc.... freaking trip that was... never again...

back to my old legal controlled high quality coffee shop to buy some good nonillegal cannabis:) let's me stay off all the harddrugs^^

[almostskater3210]

@eppoeh xtc is just a pill form of mdma (I'm excluding if its cut with k, meth, heroin etc). Did you just take too much powder? lol

[eppoeh]

@almostskater3210 late reaction... sorry:) but yes indeed too much powder i guess... didn't expected less then 1/4 of a gram to be too much though:)

[jenn1ifer]

ZERO TOLERANCE on drugs. drugs will NOT be accepted. This is a drug free america and we will NOT condone drug use!

[fishontuesday]

@jenn1ifer people that have serious drug problems are scared to get help! Drug addicts will do drugs whether there legal or not, the difference is now there being punished for it and coming out of jail in worse shape then when they started.

[eppoeh]

@jenn1ifer

maybe you want to rethink your answer...

Cannabis/Miruhuana is sold at coffee shops to ppl over 18 in here(The Netherlands)... We have got LESS drug users then the USA...

why? it's a controlled environment... ppl don't get offered herine/cocaine/xtc/etc when trying/using softdrugs...

[autoplay831]

@eppoeh People should have full access to these "so called" hard drugs as well. If an intelligent, well informed adult wants to do something that doesn't harm anyone it should be his own business. If you introduce policy that says people can't make their own decisions, through the same reasoning you can introduce other policy that can take away any right the people in power so choose. Freedom is the issue not safety.

[atchisrj1]

@jenn1ifer I am wondering if I could ask you a question? Can you give me you're definition of ones natural right of Liberty? I am really curious to the root cause of this way of thinking. Thank you.

[Palfium66]

One of the worst consequences of the War on Drugs is the unavailability of effective pain relief for the world's poor, eg 80% of the world's cancer sufferers have no access to pain relief.

In many African countries morphine is simply not available AT ALL, even in hospitals. Doctors are not allowed to prescribe it. The reasons are all related to prohibition -danger of diversion etc.

I believe that drug prohibition is the most damaging social policy of the USA since slavery; & we must end it.

[winstonmatthews]

Just caught up with tune on the film Dare to Act, about Dr Polak and Costa's row over use of cannabis, so glad I did brilliant song.

Win