@DoubleGArtist18 These forms are quite advanced for your level. Id suggest learn boxing fundamentals or practice free-sparring with your buddies. Discipline takes training, training takes time . You don't want to get beat up while trying to imitate internet learned kung fu. And if they try beat you up again, walk up to one, call them a pansy, then and punch him in the face as hard as you can. Getting into a fight isnt about who wins or loses, its about fighting back. Cheers!
so that way, incase they Do get overpowered, they look for the "next best option out" which is to MOVE to the opponent's backside, WHILE redirecting the opponent's attack either away from them OR redirect it right by them.
BaGua, is a flowing of center of gravity, by keeping their legs more spread apart, they have a lower Dan Tian setting, BUT constantly in a flowing motion. because of their moving motion, their idea mainly bases on "if an opponent's force is stronger than you, let them have their way" hence, most bagua practitioners practice moving around a set of poles, mainly of 9 to 12 poles, they practice to circle around their opponents.
think of tai chi chuan as this.. if some1 were to fight a tai chi practitioner, it would be like fighting a wall, in what sense? tai chi practitioners negate the power you use against them, and directs them INTO the ground, thus causing you to lose the momentum/velocity of your attack.
Love all of the matched Chin Na used in the sequence! Many people train in Bagua after mastering Tai Chi, the two are mutually beneficial. What the guy says about the rooting is true, Bagua is the moving root; never weighted evenly. Bagua still employs a great deal of Tai Chi theory although the two styles are quite distinct. I would consider Bagua to be the next level, it also delves into deeper aspects of medicine and energy as well (5 Elements/8 Trigrams).
for all naruto lovers out there, did you know that baguazhang is the basis for the 8 trigrams techniques used by the byakugan users of the hyuga clan?
@lugiametagross162 Not just that but the very Jūken(Gentle Fist) style the Hyūga use. As for the terminology used.. Hakkeshō Kaiten and Hakke Rokujūyonshō pretty much comes right from the Bagua style. Hakke means Bagua(Eight Trigrams) in Japanese. It's pretty clear with the terminology and the way Jūken looks that Kishimoto used this real-life martial art to model after it. Now if he'd just put more Hyūga in the damn manga and show more of them using the Jūken(Bagua) style.. -_-
This is what I shall learn! (Ba Gua) I love this scene... Where is this from and is there a English subbed version so I can understand :) it's so beautiful to watch
Was that Wu Jing??? What a clip!!! I always consider Wu Jing a great Martial Arts acter along the likes of Donnie Yen and Tony Jaa. The Ba Gua guy was outstanding as well. This is what internal/soft Kung Fu is all about man!!!
i hate when people puts "this martial art vs another martial art" because it's the not the martial art that's engaged in the fight, but the practicioners of such martial art. quoting DMX from Romeo Must Die "gun don't kill people, people kill people" same thing here, it's not the clash of the martial arts, but the clash of the practicioners
If I observe correctly, the man in the grey clothes was performing PaKuaChang (Baguazhang) and the man in the blue clothes was performing TaiJiQuan (Tai Chi Chuan)
There's a lot more to it than that guys. I still study xing-yi, Bagua (Cheng style), Sun and Wu/Hao Tai chi... after 33 years. Most any generalizations are wrong. There are hard elements directly from the other internal arts in Sun's art.
boo that was not bagua although the "pushing hands" was bagua is internal and uses palms Not that many fists its rear for them to use it but ocsically they do but that was too much
The angles of attack and body mechanics are some of the more important parts of bagua and those are all very much in tact. This is indeed a very good example of bagua and tai chi actually. Almost to the point where it is unbelievable. These are not the way either martial art should look during a fight. It is very much exaggerated to show the difference in the styles.
It bears little if any resemblance to either bagua or taiji as they would be realistically applied in the non-movie world. Those big, dramatic and photogenic poses prior to and following each engagement, for example, would be eschewed in any real encounter either practitioner might engage in.
It bears little if any resemblance to either bagua or taiji as they would be realistically applied in the non-movie world. Those big, dramatic and photogenic poses prior to and following each engagement, for example, would be eschewed in any real encounter either practitioner might engage in.
As a tai chi practitioner I want to try the taijiquan form but overall both taiji and bagua are beautiful forms that seem to coincide at certain points in the fighting style. It would be cool to learn both.
it's a silly concept taking in consideration that those arts complement with each selfs... even do soft internal combine really well whit they extreme oposites so it blends...
bagua is very complex, but tai chi is more energy efficient. where-as bagua gives more leg movements, tai chi uses the Root/center of gravity to fight, bagua disrupts the flow by directing it elsewhere and if thrown off balance, the BaGua steps helps him regain that balance. whereas Tai Chi goes with the flow, if anything enforces to flow in order to throw opponent off balance, while the Tai Chi user stays in balance.
@protoandghetto before I make a full of myself the guy in the black is Tai Chi right? I'm kinda trying to learn it because my mom does not have the money to help me go to a kung fu school and I get bullied so I wat something to help defend myself. Got beat up already it sucks....
@DoubleGArtist18 yes he is, but you might want to learn something that isn't so hard to learn. it might take a while for you to be able to apply it correctly. see if there is anything that is more suitable for the weakness of your enemy and your strengths.
@DoubleGArtist18 yes, the guy in black is doing tai chi. im sorry.. that sucks :( i was also bullied when i was younger, but i've done traditional kung fu almost my whole life, i was always taught to hold myself back, until i cant hold it in anymore. if i were you, i'd look for some free tips and video's online, and start practicing that way. there are a LOT of resources that can help you learn and train these days. although having a mentor would help, its good to practice alone first.
@joncobber complexity can be a liability - more options means you can't focus on those options in your training as much. I'd say the biggest mistake most people make is not understanding the compromises that their art makes. Every art, every principle, every movement, even, has a compromise - strengths ad weaknesses that go hand in hand. Sun Tsu has a lot to say about knowing yourself, and knowing your enemy, if I remember correctly...
I think it is from the Chinese T.V. Show "Tai Chi Master". A guy named "Surkerket" has several videos of fights uploaded, including this one in better quality.
In real life they were very good friends,Yang once said "I can not beat Dong Haichuan. The best I can do is draw level with him. Beating him is very difficult.
Nothing, since Chen Fa Ke was born a few years after both Dong and Yang died. But if he were around during that time a fight between those 3 would have been EPIC!! Add in a little Guo Yunshen and Wu Yuxiang and BAM, you got yourself a good flash based computer game.
This is mostly just a choreographed, and somewhat inaccurate, dramatization, but has some accuracy. Dark clothed man is Taijiquan, and light clothed man is Baguazhang. Some of the stances they show are not stances at all. For example, the Taiji fighter opens up with a position in the form called single whip, which is more of a parry and attack, and not a stance.
Both Taiji and Bagua are "internal" arts. The best way to see the difference between internal and external is the way they are taught.
internal=chinese ...external=chinese arts that developed from outside (external) influences..namely shaolin..via Da Mo (Bodhidarma/Daruma) ...or if you like...internal=taoist ...external=buddhist. of course there will be certain physical differences as well.
ATV 's TV drama's are always better. They are more content rich and well researched, unlike their competitor network. but no one watches it cus it got no commericlal appeal.
haha that kick at 1:06 is never old huh.. always shows up in martial arts movies. i just somehow can't imagine myself to do that realistically.. i would think that stomping on the opponent with ur heel would do more damage than using that kick and landing with ur toes.
and xxBastardxx67, dragon ball z is inspired by chinese classic "journey to the west"!
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you right, now that i have researched the two styles i can see the stances, how could i miss the tai chi shoulder move at 0:42 and the obvious circle walking at 0:52
I agree on you for the circle walking but not only that how he walks (depends on how much you know about bagua) is exactly what you first learn when being taught bagua (except for the stance ofcourse) and at 0:14 that is the dragon posture?(not completely sure) but the hands are in yin position. At 0:18 he's creating a "ball" with his hand which i think if I remember correctly represents the pushing back and forth of yin and yang. =D
yeah, i see now, do you practice bagua? I am interested in learning and there are are couple places around my area that teach it but they are two expensive, but i think i would rather learn hung gar
Hung Gar I was going 2 learn TigernCrane(after I finishing learning Bagua) it is much quicker but tough like 1 of the instruc. videos I have for hung gar show you ways to train your body + many diff. kinds of practices ->For example bagua can be "move hand back + forth" while hung gar is do these "sets of moves" which is equivalent 2 "hand back and forth". On top of that bagua + taichi are both internal martial arts and hung gar is external which is just a summary of what I previously explained.
hung gar and bagua are up at the top of my favortie styles of kung fu including wing chun, northern shaolin, mantis, and snake. but i don't think i will be able to learn any of these, i think i will learn brazilian jiu jitsu, aikido, or (as a last result) karate... thanks for your insight
In most taoist styles along with my style, (Taifunchuan), the goal isn't to finish your opponent its to pull all of the energy out of there body in a movement but when that level isn't attainable, this is sorta what the style ends up as.
Really? It was around the time of Sun lutang since he popularized the idea philosophy with chinese martial arts. Before then martial arts was just martial arts.
Its and art! that's just it. I just started evolving and earning styles and a lot of them were developed in order not to kill, the whole situation around Karate where they had to be able to kill was because they had no time to train to have that strength and to not have to use it. the Chinese, after serving most of there life in the army would take the kung fu that they learned and transform it into a life saving style of Tai chi. "the strongest fighter is the one that looks like a begginer"
Though I don't really understand your point. I have to emphasize that it's a MARTIAL Art, Before they even became a high level practitioner they had to start somewhere. A lot of the chinese martial arts where used by bodyguards therefore they had to be effective. How About Baji Quan? The philosophy is that by using one strike it can kill someone.
Huh? Bagua is very lethal--ever seen the piercing palm used in yin style bagua? Tai chi, by the way, is also a martial art. It does not HAVE to be performed slowly. Ever seen Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming demonstrating its devastating applications?
I love the two man choreography, but in reality a internal artist will not battle for this long. The choreography allows two people to practice movements at high speeds, but it gives a false image of style.
I don't understand why there are so many comments on if Taijiquan or Baguazhang is better. A lot of people that really get into the internal arts train all three.
Agreed, each of the 3 core arts compliment each other in a martial respect, but more so from the internal perspective. Practicing these arts without the internal understanding is almost pointless and will not develop internal power. It seems that the more you connect to the internal treasures, the less you care about martial comparison as it's more about your complete being than it is about combat.
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Beautifully applied realistic moves and "flavor" from each art respectively with phenomenal choreography and cinematic use of kicks etc. which to be sure is at least a bit exaggerated for movie purposes. Jougetsu should thank his lucky stars that he doesn't have to fight either "actor" using these same exact moves or he'd get his ass kicked well from China to wherever he is.Lol.
Taiji? It's true that it's quite hard to fight with it, but it would never have survived as an art for so long if you couldn't fight with it. It's just that hardly anyone trains Taiji at that level anymore.
Taiji is a very sophisticated martial art that is all about crippling and killing an opponent (as is bagua). It is definately true that you can fight with it. It is also true that it takes a long time to develop the skills to make it really useful in a fight.
I have trained 7 years so far in purely martial taiji, and I can use it well, but I reckon it will take me another 10 years to get really good at it.
If you're expecting that Taiji or Bagua fightera use their techniques like when they do a form you're so wrong. I know it because my Shifu teach both Bagua and Taiji (Chen and Yang). A mantis fighter never atack with a "mantis fist".
Closed fists are used in both. It's generally considered that open palms are more effective (less chance of injury and easier to transmit power from the root), but neither completely omits closed fists. Even if an observed form does not show closed fists (which is often the case in Ba Gua), the principles learned are to be carried over into all of your fighting (Ba Gua in particular is designed on principle, not technique)
I used to practice Yang style tai chi, and a bit of bagua.... Close fists in both. Not always, but theyhad them.... The technique in this video seemed pretty spot on to me... Some stances were a bit wide, some unrealistic high kicks for fancyness, asides from that I thought it was kickass.
I am no expert by any means, but I don't think any of these are baguazhang. If any, it would probably be the guy in lighter colours, but I think they were both doing some form of artistically exaggerated taichi. Where is the circle walking with the strikes? He's just making direct attacks. Also, I'm prety sure his stance was not one of baguazhang and even the circular movements of his arms and legs were highly restricted. Good choreography though.
I wouldn't count out the young one...that's Wu Jing, and though he's young he has plenty of training under his belt. And it was high-quality training, he was on the Beijing wushu team. I don't know the other guy's background. That said, despite them "using" tai chi and bagua in the movie, it doesn't mean either one of them understand the styles well enough to actually use them. I've met a lot of wushu athletes from China who can do internal forms very gracefully...but do not have the depth..
I practice both Sun style Taiji and Sun style Bagua. And I agree, he does seem to have a good root and body coordination...but that's just what is shown...the fact that it's rehearsed, redone until it's right, and then edited makes it hard to judge the guy's skill. And though Wu is a performer, I have no idea one or the other whether either him OR the other guy have fighting experience/skill. I'm not saying one or the other, just saying I wouldn't count either one out lol....
so I guess I'm not really saying anything at all ;-) I always see comments on movie fights speaking of "one vs. the other" (most commonly Jackie Chan vs. Jet Li lol) and I always feel that no matter what is read or watched, you can never see someone's actual fighting skill in anything but an actual fight.
I will put my money on Jackie Chan if have to bet.
Reasons as below:
1.) Jackie Chan is much much muscle stronger than Jet Li, if you like boxing you know the weight imply muscle and lead to strength and finally let you win it.
2.) Some say Jackie is not really a Martial artist when his movie business starts, I Fully AGREE with it. However, Jackie later learn many Kongfus as you could see like the "Drunken Fist 2".
all right u think muscle strengh and weight have that much influence ???!!! i agree with u but not in martial art if the guys fighting dont know martial art than ys but if they do it is not an issue both have advantages and disadvantages i think jacky chan will win simply because he know traditional kung fu ( yes he know he is not only an actor ) jet li is a modern kung fu practitioner (more for show but effective against people who dont know traditinal martial arts not necessary kung fu )<
@DoubleGArtist18 These forms are quite advanced for your level. Id suggest learn boxing fundamentals or practice free-sparring with your buddies. Discipline takes training, training takes time . You don't want to get beat up while trying to imitate internet learned kung fu. And if they try beat you up again, walk up to one, call them a pansy, then and punch him in the face as hard as you can. Getting into a fight isnt about who wins or loses, its about fighting back. Cheers!
Nienjah 4 months ago
@maxxonpower yea.. that would be fun too!!
beatthinker 5 months ago
Where is this clip from?
FinalEclipse06 5 months ago
so that way, incase they Do get overpowered, they look for the "next best option out" which is to MOVE to the opponent's backside, WHILE redirecting the opponent's attack either away from them OR redirect it right by them.
protoandghetto 5 months ago
BaGua, is a flowing of center of gravity, by keeping their legs more spread apart, they have a lower Dan Tian setting, BUT constantly in a flowing motion. because of their moving motion, their idea mainly bases on "if an opponent's force is stronger than you, let them have their way" hence, most bagua practitioners practice moving around a set of poles, mainly of 9 to 12 poles, they practice to circle around their opponents.
protoandghetto 5 months ago
think of tai chi chuan as this.. if some1 were to fight a tai chi practitioner, it would be like fighting a wall, in what sense? tai chi practitioners negate the power you use against them, and directs them INTO the ground, thus causing you to lose the momentum/velocity of your attack.
protoandghetto 5 months ago
Love all of the matched Chin Na used in the sequence! Many people train in Bagua after mastering Tai Chi, the two are mutually beneficial. What the guy says about the rooting is true, Bagua is the moving root; never weighted evenly. Bagua still employs a great deal of Tai Chi theory although the two styles are quite distinct. I would consider Bagua to be the next level, it also delves into deeper aspects of medicine and energy as well (5 Elements/8 Trigrams).
slipmat707 7 months ago
I cn nvr get enough of these type of movies.
Fangsinurface 9 months ago
the ba gua guy is not using iron fist that sucks bad style he chosed to fight
imnoobmaster 9 months ago
for all naruto lovers out there, did you know that baguazhang is the basis for the 8 trigrams techniques used by the byakugan users of the hyuga clan?
lugiametagross162 9 months ago 9
@lugiametagross162 Not just that but the very Jūken(Gentle Fist) style the Hyūga use. As for the terminology used.. Hakkeshō Kaiten and Hakke Rokujūyonshō pretty much comes right from the Bagua style. Hakke means Bagua(Eight Trigrams) in Japanese. It's pretty clear with the terminology and the way Jūken looks that Kishimoto used this real-life martial art to model after it. Now if he'd just put more Hyūga in the damn manga and show more of them using the Jūken(Bagua) style.. -_-
alexdhamp 7 months ago
@alexdhamp
Isn't Bagua also called Hakkyokuken in Japanese?
megadomonic 7 months ago
@megadomonic No. Hakkyokuken is Bajiquan(八極拳), or "Eight Extremes Fist". Hakkeshou is Baguazhang(八卦掌), or "Eight Trigrams Palm".
alexdhamp 7 months ago
great clip。。lot things to learn
jimmysmicki 9 months ago
I'd put my money on tai chi, the tai chi practicioner would just stand in throw the bagua fighter whenever he approached or made any sort of contact.
123UncleRuckus 9 months ago
I wish that people can stand in perfect stance and form after getting hit countless number of times haha
ZiFirepaw 10 months ago
it would be nice to master both arts
Iluminista991 10 months ago
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HerGuardianAngel1991 11 months ago
This is what I shall learn! (Ba Gua) I love this scene... Where is this from and is there a English subbed version so I can understand :) it's so beautiful to watch
falzerpossed14 1 year ago
too bad real fighting isnt this artistic. .its dumb and brutal not stylish and pretty
earwax8toecheese 1 year ago 2
@earwax8toecheese true that man....
gudfh 1 year ago
Was that Wu Jing??? What a clip!!! I always consider Wu Jing a great Martial Arts acter along the likes of Donnie Yen and Tony Jaa. The Ba Gua guy was outstanding as well. This is what internal/soft Kung Fu is all about man!!!
junlong0107 1 year ago
i hate when people puts "this martial art vs another martial art" because it's the not the martial art that's engaged in the fight, but the practicioners of such martial art. quoting DMX from Romeo Must Die "gun don't kill people, people kill people" same thing here, it's not the clash of the martial arts, but the clash of the practicioners
Hongers1 1 year ago
name of the movie any one
blaksamurai008 1 year ago
@blaksamurai008 taiji zongshi
pwize785 1 year ago
@pwize785 thank u
blaksamurai008 1 year ago
@blaksamurai008 its a series actually, there are two movies, one made with parts of the series, the other one kinda sucks xP
pwize785 1 year ago
Beautiful choreography,that was great.
goldenagenut 1 year ago
Two Taoist styles going all out. Interesting.
6arcsn1sky 1 year ago
beautiful...
jcfbell3001 1 year ago
If I observe correctly, the man in the grey clothes was performing PaKuaChang (Baguazhang) and the man in the blue clothes was performing TaiJiQuan (Tai Chi Chuan)
SiddTheFrickingNayak 1 year ago
@SiddTheFrickingNayak Yes, you are perfectly right. At 0:53 or so, he can be clearly seen "walking the circle", typical of Bagua
Harl3qu1nn 1 year ago
Kozak
kolosy1982 1 year ago
they both have epic hair... wait so who did better
Bigft113 1 year ago
There's a lot more to it than that guys. I still study xing-yi, Bagua (Cheng style), Sun and Wu/Hao Tai chi... after 33 years. Most any generalizations are wrong. There are hard elements directly from the other internal arts in Sun's art.
laughingtiger123 1 year ago
freaking cool choreography!
twangeste 1 year ago
I WATCHED THIS MOVIE LONG TIME AGO IS A NICE ONE ABOUT NEICHIA (INTERNAL SCHOOLS BOXING)
reikihapkido 1 year ago
This movie had no real plot whatsoever, but fight scenes like that made it great.
Picheta32192 1 year ago
this is a beautiful scene. very impressive.
williamross77 1 year ago
That was pretty rad. Thanks for uploading cmsoon.
DHLartist 1 year ago
Drivel.
taffbanjo 1 year ago
Awww What a great ending mutual respect...AWWW lot of lessons learned from this Clip.
nandansho 1 year ago
wow. they are both really good
acco8675309 1 year ago
Not even close to bagua... Besides the beginning form... Total Shame. D:<
jason1251995 1 year ago
cool fight.. is this the tai chi master of jet li?
akatsukitensei01 1 year ago
Nice )
What movie is that from?
TommyTQ 1 year ago
wow im training bagua but this guy is amazing
77127Shadow 1 year ago
@77127Shadow of course this guy is Dong Haichuan the founder of baguazhang =)
Btw the movie is called "the tai chi masters" i believe
zero061192 1 year ago
um master wong?
HomasterX 1 year ago
Great fight! what movie is that from?
GOG777 1 year ago
Dong Haichuan ftw...
zero061192 1 year ago
No Eagle ?
inghtthebo 1 year ago
What show is this? I've seen that same actor who does Taijiquan fighting a korean character Kim Fung Ji who is the master of Taekwon.
whsskdhkf 1 year ago
boo that was not bagua although the "pushing hands" was bagua is internal and uses palms Not that many fists its rear for them to use it but ocsically they do but that was too much
griqs 1 year ago
@ griqs
The angles of attack and body mechanics are some of the more important parts of bagua and those are all very much in tact. This is indeed a very good example of bagua and tai chi actually. Almost to the point where it is unbelievable. These are not the way either martial art should look during a fight. It is very much exaggerated to show the difference in the styles.
ThirdEyeLight 1 year ago
Master master...the Ninjers are practicing Shaolin! SHAOLIN!? UHHHHHHH!
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Uh... this is a choreographed movie shot.
It bears little if any resemblance to either bagua or taiji as they would be realistically applied in the non-movie world. Those big, dramatic and photogenic poses prior to and following each engagement, for example, would be eschewed in any real encounter either practitioner might engage in.
It was a fun clip to watch, though...
taiji218 1 year ago
Uh... this is a choreographed movie shot.
It bears little if any resemblance to either bagua or taiji as they would be realistically applied in the non-movie world. Those big, dramatic and photogenic poses prior to and following each engagement, for example, would be eschewed in any real encounter either practitioner might engage in.
It was a fun clip to watch, though...
taiji218 1 year ago
No tengo ni idea el nombre pero al de negro lo sigo cada peli q puedo
yasiterere 1 year ago
No tengo ni idea el nombre pero al de negro lo sigo cada peli q puedo
yasiterere 1 year ago
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ilhim666 1 year ago
As a tai chi practitioner I want to try the taijiquan form but overall both taiji and bagua are beautiful forms that seem to coincide at certain points in the fighting style. It would be cool to learn both.
Mushorwell 1 year ago
wow
suicidewright 1 year ago
That's not really bagua, but whatever.
ZhuangziZhou 1 year ago
it's a silly concept taking in consideration that those arts complement with each selfs... even do soft internal combine really well whit they extreme oposites so it blends...
makaiev 1 year ago
both are professional fighters
ks2181998 1 year ago
if kung fu really looked like that in real life.
WarriorBlackBanner 2 years ago
in a real fite between 2 masters i put my money on bagua, its more complex and effecive in my view
joncobber 2 years ago 3
bagua is very complex, but tai chi is more energy efficient. where-as bagua gives more leg movements, tai chi uses the Root/center of gravity to fight, bagua disrupts the flow by directing it elsewhere and if thrown off balance, the BaGua steps helps him regain that balance. whereas Tai Chi goes with the flow, if anything enforces to flow in order to throw opponent off balance, while the Tai Chi user stays in balance.
protoandghetto 2 years ago 15
@protoandghetto so which do you prefer to use?
niceaznkid916 1 year ago
@protoandghetto before I make a full of myself the guy in the black is Tai Chi right? I'm kinda trying to learn it because my mom does not have the money to help me go to a kung fu school and I get bullied so I wat something to help defend myself. Got beat up already it sucks....
DoubleGArtist18 7 months ago
@DoubleGArtist18 yes he is, but you might want to learn something that isn't so hard to learn. it might take a while for you to be able to apply it correctly. see if there is anything that is more suitable for the weakness of your enemy and your strengths.
chrisgood2go 7 months ago
@DoubleGArtist18 yes, the guy in black is doing tai chi. im sorry.. that sucks :( i was also bullied when i was younger, but i've done traditional kung fu almost my whole life, i was always taught to hold myself back, until i cant hold it in anymore. if i were you, i'd look for some free tips and video's online, and start practicing that way. there are a LOT of resources that can help you learn and train these days. although having a mentor would help, its good to practice alone first.
protoandghetto 5 months ago
@protoandghetto Bagua steps open up fighting angles. Basic boxing.
Wakingheart 4 months ago
Its the practitioner, not the style
ohsteeev 1 year ago 2
@joncobber complexity can be a liability - more options means you can't focus on those options in your training as much. I'd say the biggest mistake most people make is not understanding the compromises that their art makes. Every art, every principle, every movement, even, has a compromise - strengths ad weaknesses that go hand in hand. Sun Tsu has a lot to say about knowing yourself, and knowing your enemy, if I remember correctly...
mrtempertantrum 1 year ago
what's the name of this movie?
Dpeezy93 2 years ago 2
I REMEMBER THIS MOVIE!!! watched it as a kid
KhmaiSouljia93 2 years ago
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ShinkenSensei 2 years ago
Looks like they are almost mirroring each other...truly mastery of the arts. I wish to be as strong as them one day...one day.
Also...at 2:06 he does an amazing pressure point/push back technique.
Xx8trigramsxX 2 years ago 2
Anyone know what movie this is from???
Can't get enough Bagua even if it is movie style.
Bwiantube 2 years ago
I think it is from the Chinese T.V. Show "Tai Chi Master". A guy named "Surkerket" has several videos of fights uploaded, including this one in better quality.
TheZacharyArneson 2 years ago
This sort of stuff need to be watched in HD .. if only video quality was up there, back when they made this film =\
and they smiled at each other... I didn't know they were friends D;
renkinjutsu01 2 years ago
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TaoOfTheFist 2 years ago
In real life they were very good friends,Yang once said "I can not beat Dong Haichuan. The best I can do is draw level with him. Beating him is very difficult.
TaoOfTheFist 2 years ago
@TaoOfTheFist What did Chen Fa Ke have to say about that?
micsir888 1 year ago
Nothing, since Chen Fa Ke was born a few years after both Dong and Yang died. But if he were around during that time a fight between those 3 would have been EPIC!! Add in a little Guo Yunshen and Wu Yuxiang and BAM, you got yourself a good flash based computer game.
TaoOfTheFist 1 year ago
oh ya yah~ it's cool...cool...nice...5/5
xiaoli26 2 years ago
Look at all those beautifully flowing movements- all necessary moves to my eye. Awesome choreography!
cddisk123 2 years ago
I love this movie:)
noksoocao 2 years ago
BTW, the Bagua circle walking shown is not quite what Bagua circle walking really is.
nimdae 2 years ago
This is mostly just a choreographed, and somewhat inaccurate, dramatization, but has some accuracy. Dark clothed man is Taijiquan, and light clothed man is Baguazhang. Some of the stances they show are not stances at all. For example, the Taiji fighter opens up with a position in the form called single whip, which is more of a parry and attack, and not a stance.
Both Taiji and Bagua are "internal" arts. The best way to see the difference between internal and external is the way they are taught.
nimdae 2 years ago 3
The guy in black is Tai Chi, am i right?
Lenin2304 2 years ago
Yea
Occultaz 2 years ago
this looks more like an external fight...
Didi972 2 years ago
if it was an external fight they would make the damages of the techniques they do show up in their mood.
they were fighting with their minds. they may have been hurt, but not damaged.
go read a book. you'll hear of monks fighting to the death only they're not dying.
theclamster 2 years ago
How so?
9sectionwhip 2 years ago
Is this supposed to be Yang Luchan fighting Dong Haichuan?
fujitafunk 2 years ago
I don't think so
Didi972 2 years ago
Why is Baguazhang considered an "internal" art like Taichi ? Does it accumulates "chi" powers like tai chi does as well ?
bigfatdick5000 2 years ago
Yes, we do accumulate Chi through various movements.
GeneralArrow 2 years ago
yes of course, 'cause Bagua is a descendant of Tai Chi
Didi972 2 years ago
No, to correct your information, Baguazhang WAS NOT descended from Tai Chi.
bigfatdick5000 2 years ago 2
internal=chinese ...external=chinese arts that developed from outside (external) influences..namely shaolin..via Da Mo (Bodhidarma/Daruma) ...or if you like...internal=taoist ...external=buddhist. of course there will be certain physical differences as well.
kempobrad 2 years ago
Interal=Mind, body
External=Muscles
Occultaz 2 years ago
show me one person on the planet that can move their body without using their muscles. impossible
kempobrad 2 years ago
Show me one person who can move their body without their mind. Lol.
Internal = soft style, focus on fluid movement, chi (proper movement), more use of open palms
External = hard style, muscle conditioning, more fists
ZhuangziZhou 1 year ago
I always thought that internal martial arts were soft styles and that external were hard styles.
ZhuangziZhou 1 year ago
don't you mean ji or jing powers
esilakalise 2 years ago
ATV 's TV drama's are always better. They are more content rich and well researched, unlike their competitor network. but no one watches it cus it got no commericlal appeal.
bigfatdick5000 2 years ago
i thought that bagua practioners used willow leaf palm.
Eastshaman 2 years ago
i learn yang taichi and wing chun and im able to combine them somehow during sparring .. always got scold during individual lesson ..
simazhongda 2 years ago
very similar styles, when they are fighting each other you cant even tell the difference between internal and exteranl when it comes down to it
MolumBoxer 2 years ago
good fighting choreography!
haha that kick at 1:06 is never old huh.. always shows up in martial arts movies. i just somehow can't imagine myself to do that realistically.. i would think that stomping on the opponent with ur heel would do more damage than using that kick and landing with ur toes.
and xxBastardxx67, dragon ball z is inspired by chinese classic "journey to the west"!
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universetechnique 2 years ago
It's only a movie...
wutangrob69 2 years ago
but the real things are most impresive that fantasy things.
elfanel 2 years ago
Black tunic is Tai Chi
clemonsx90 2 years ago
I thought that the black tunic was using Ba Gua Zhang.
PrIre95 2 years ago
Although both are similar, notice the tan tunic fighter's use of the open handed dragon palm and his tendency to walk in circular patterns.
clemonsx90 2 years ago
You can tell from their stances =D
mannybad 2 years ago
you right, now that i have researched the two styles i can see the stances, how could i miss the tai chi shoulder move at 0:42 and the obvious circle walking at 0:52
PrIre95 2 years ago
I agree on you for the circle walking but not only that how he walks (depends on how much you know about bagua) is exactly what you first learn when being taught bagua (except for the stance ofcourse) and at 0:14 that is the dragon posture?(not completely sure) but the hands are in yin position. At 0:18 he's creating a "ball" with his hand which i think if I remember correctly represents the pushing back and forth of yin and yang. =D
mannybad 2 years ago
yeah, i see now, do you practice bagua? I am interested in learning and there are are couple places around my area that teach it but they are two expensive, but i think i would rather learn hung gar
PrIre95 2 years ago
Hung Gar I was going 2 learn TigernCrane(after I finishing learning Bagua) it is much quicker but tough like 1 of the instruc. videos I have for hung gar show you ways to train your body + many diff. kinds of practices ->For example bagua can be "move hand back + forth" while hung gar is do these "sets of moves" which is equivalent 2 "hand back and forth". On top of that bagua + taichi are both internal martial arts and hung gar is external which is just a summary of what I previously explained.
mannybad 2 years ago
hung gar and bagua are up at the top of my favortie styles of kung fu including wing chun, northern shaolin, mantis, and snake. but i don't think i will be able to learn any of these, i think i will learn brazilian jiu jitsu, aikido, or (as a last result) karate... thanks for your insight
PrIre95 2 years ago
which one is baguazhang
amaz0 2 years ago
In a real confrontation, the Xing Yi artist will focus on finishing the fight in as few strikes/movements as possible.
daboostr 2 years ago
I think that is the goal of all fighters... win/survive and leave. That would make for a really short and boring movie though, now wouldn't it.
DarranHight 2 years ago
In most taoist styles along with my style, (Taifunchuan), the goal isn't to finish your opponent its to pull all of the energy out of there body in a movement but when that level isn't attainable, this is sorta what the style ends up as.
blaze2672 2 years ago
Really? It was around the time of Sun lutang since he popularized the idea philosophy with chinese martial arts. Before then martial arts was just martial arts.
quanjiahao87 2 years ago
Its and art! that's just it. I just started evolving and earning styles and a lot of them were developed in order not to kill, the whole situation around Karate where they had to be able to kill was because they had no time to train to have that strength and to not have to use it. the Chinese, after serving most of there life in the army would take the kung fu that they learned and transform it into a life saving style of Tai chi. "the strongest fighter is the one that looks like a begginer"
blaze2672 2 years ago
Though I don't really understand your point. I have to emphasize that it's a MARTIAL Art, Before they even became a high level practitioner they had to start somewhere. A lot of the chinese martial arts where used by bodyguards therefore they had to be effective. How About Baji Quan? The philosophy is that by using one strike it can kill someone.
quanjiahao87 2 years ago
by the time you reach that level.. you dont fight anymore.
beatthinker 2 years ago 45
@beatthinker I'm sure they had a good reason to ;p
CommanderYuan 4 months ago
Huh? Bagua is very lethal--ever seen the piercing palm used in yin style bagua? Tai chi, by the way, is also a martial art. It does not HAVE to be performed slowly. Ever seen Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming demonstrating its devastating applications?
ZhuangziZhou 1 year ago
I love the two man choreography, but in reality a internal artist will not battle for this long. The choreography allows two people to practice movements at high speeds, but it gives a false image of style.
daboostr 2 years ago
this kinda reminds me of dbz
xxBastardxx67 2 years ago
I don't understand why there are so many comments on if Taijiquan or Baguazhang is better. A lot of people that really get into the internal arts train all three.
9sectionwhip 2 years ago
Agreed, each of the 3 core arts compliment each other in a martial respect, but more so from the internal perspective. Practicing these arts without the internal understanding is almost pointless and will not develop internal power. It seems that the more you connect to the internal treasures, the less you care about martial comparison as it's more about your complete being than it is about combat.
slipmat707 2 years ago 7
I couldn't have said it better myself..Right on:)
9sectionwhip 2 years ago
Exactly!
fov200 2 years ago
agreed
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universetechnique 2 years ago
Baguazhang is a very good style~
I wanna learn it
BudokaiTH 2 years ago
somebody know the name of this movie?
Dani41149 2 years ago
太極宗師
the master of Tai Chi
simonarnoldjetli 2 years ago
yes. and actually this is thaichi vs thaichi )
Siddthartha 2 years ago
багуа рулитт!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
manaimie 2 years ago
Beautifully applied realistic moves and "flavor" from each art respectively with phenomenal choreography and cinematic use of kicks etc. which to be sure is at least a bit exaggerated for movie purposes. Jougetsu should thank his lucky stars that he doesn't have to fight either "actor" using these same exact moves or he'd get his ass kicked well from China to wherever he is.Lol.
TexasSizzle 2 years ago
nah boxing tkd and mt all the way
jougetsu 2 years ago
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this may look flash and might be a spiritual martial art, but man you can't fight with that
jougetsu 2 years ago
Taiji? It's true that it's quite hard to fight with it, but it would never have survived as an art for so long if you couldn't fight with it. It's just that hardly anyone trains Taiji at that level anymore.
goshou 2 years ago 9
Taiji is a very sophisticated martial art that is all about crippling and killing an opponent (as is bagua). It is definately true that you can fight with it. It is also true that it takes a long time to develop the skills to make it really useful in a fight.
I have trained 7 years so far in purely martial taiji, and I can use it well, but I reckon it will take me another 10 years to get really good at it.
LordAverage 2 years ago
lol....no it is you that can't fight with that. There is no doubt that THEY can.
SecretSword 2 years ago 2
i like how they fight in an ancient octagon-like thing
ssj7gokurpg 2 years ago
Its called a Trigram, and there are usually 8 layers.
The 8 Trigrams.
Energy558 2 years ago
Great stuff. Airbending vs. Waterbending.
Superstarseven 3 years ago 5
lol nice reference
ElyakYeldarb 3 years ago
is the bagua guy in fearless
kungfuasgaeilge 3 years ago
Another thing, almost certain that closed fists are never used in bagua or taijiquan.
Spectic 3 years ago
If you're expecting that Taiji or Bagua fightera use their techniques like when they do a form you're so wrong. I know it because my Shifu teach both Bagua and Taiji (Chen and Yang). A mantis fighter never atack with a "mantis fist".
J0hn4lexB0r 3 years ago
Closed fists are used in both. It's generally considered that open palms are more effective (less chance of injury and easier to transmit power from the root), but neither completely omits closed fists. Even if an observed form does not show closed fists (which is often the case in Ba Gua), the principles learned are to be carried over into all of your fighting (Ba Gua in particular is designed on principle, not technique)
theMAG101 3 years ago
I practice Chen style taijiquan, and we do use closed fists.
Maelstrom01 2 years ago
I used to practice Yang style tai chi, and a bit of bagua.... Close fists in both. Not always, but theyhad them.... The technique in this video seemed pretty spot on to me... Some stances were a bit wide, some unrealistic high kicks for fancyness, asides from that I thought it was kickass.
farorin 2 years ago 3
I am no expert by any means, but I don't think any of these are baguazhang. If any, it would probably be the guy in lighter colours, but I think they were both doing some form of artistically exaggerated taichi. Where is the circle walking with the strikes? He's just making direct attacks. Also, I'm prety sure his stance was not one of baguazhang and even the circular movements of his arms and legs were highly restricted. Good choreography though.
Spectic 3 years ago
this is sooo good with Placebo playing in the background (post blue)
kungfuasgaeilge 3 years ago
damn those manchus...
armyboy24 3 years ago
this clip is from the tv series called 太极宗师, good fight choreography in this series
Kormiku 3 years ago
THAT WAS FUCKING EPIC!!
Cryofire558 3 years ago 2
Sorry, color mistake,
I mean the grey elder one out-beat the BLACK younger one in real street fight if happened.
Tory / Internal art master (self-titled)
Toryonline 3 years ago
I wouldn't count out the young one...that's Wu Jing, and though he's young he has plenty of training under his belt. And it was high-quality training, he was on the Beijing wushu team. I don't know the other guy's background. That said, despite them "using" tai chi and bagua in the movie, it doesn't mean either one of them understand the styles well enough to actually use them. I've met a lot of wushu athletes from China who can do internal forms very gracefully...but do not have the depth..
theMAG101 3 years ago
of understanding to actually put the principles and techniques into practice.
theMAG101 3 years ago
To MAG101,
I agree with your words the following
"it doesn't mean either one of them understand the styles well enough", "into practice".
As you know Wu is good at performing a set/series Wushu SHOW, not into practice fighting happened in street.
I might go wrong, but if still I have to bet, my money will be on the grey elder one in the movie.
Trust me, when you start to know about Chinese Internal art; rather than hands, watch the body and feet only, see the coordination.
Tory
Toryonline 3 years ago
I practice both Sun style Taiji and Sun style Bagua. And I agree, he does seem to have a good root and body coordination...but that's just what is shown...the fact that it's rehearsed, redone until it's right, and then edited makes it hard to judge the guy's skill. And though Wu is a performer, I have no idea one or the other whether either him OR the other guy have fighting experience/skill. I'm not saying one or the other, just saying I wouldn't count either one out lol....
theMAG101 3 years ago 2
so I guess I'm not really saying anything at all ;-) I always see comments on movie fights speaking of "one vs. the other" (most commonly Jackie Chan vs. Jet Li lol) and I always feel that no matter what is read or watched, you can never see someone's actual fighting skill in anything but an actual fight.
theMAG101 3 years ago
To talk about Jackie Chan VS Jet Li,
I will put my money on Jackie Chan if have to bet.
Reasons as below:
1.) Jackie Chan is much much muscle stronger than Jet Li, if you like boxing you know the weight imply muscle and lead to strength and finally let you win it.
2.) Some say Jackie is not really a Martial artist when his movie business starts, I Fully AGREE with it. However, Jackie later learn many Kongfus as you could see like the "Drunken Fist 2".
Tory
Toryonline 3 years ago
Briefly speaking,
About Jackie & Jet Li,
I think Jet Li might win the skill/kongfu, but lose the fight to Jackie because of body strength.
One of the worse thought most chinese would have, is to IGNORE the decisive factor about strength muscle height such as.
We Chinese have to think if Kongfu is everything why our president body guards have to be sent to trained OVERSEAs OVERSEAs OVERSEAs.
Tory / Taichi Master (self-titled)
Toryonline 3 years ago
all right u think muscle strengh and weight have that much influence ???!!! i agree with u but not in martial art if the guys fighting dont know martial art than ys but if they do it is not an issue both have advantages and disadvantages i think jacky chan will win simply because he know traditional kung fu ( yes he know he is not only an actor ) jet li is a modern kung fu practitioner (more for show but effective against people who dont know traditinal martial arts not necessary kung fu )<