One last note: That the Reich was encircled was ennemies was not the fault of von Hindenburg but the failure of Wilhelm II as sad it was who unfortunately was lacking fundamental diplomatic skills !!
from 1942 onwards, the Tiger had better armour plus stronger munition at his disposal, right ?!?
But of course, at the end of the day the USSR did win against Germany in WWII; the soviets even would have been able to win it it without the help from the West>>>> their military contribtuion is overrated, anyways !!
I have very limited knowledge about the Teutonic knights and their defeat at Lake Peipus to be quite frankly.But they weren´t not the official army of an UNITED Germany because
at Murmansk after the huge military defeats in 1941 to get things stabilized in the country, correct ?!?Why was it a first priority back then for the soviets to keep Murmansk and that rail way free from the Wehrmacht attacking from Finnland ?!?
I don´t know about the Guderian quote but as already stated the T34 was easier to maintain and also to produce in comparison to the Tiger for instance;
@kernerschreiber13 Because Murmansk is ice free during winter..therefore, the germans planned to take Murmansk dec. 1941(I just watched a documentary in History Channel) Dietl did not succed...in fact the germans could only advance 24 km during the whole war in the arctic.Yes, in 24 hours the russians could built a T34..a Tiger or Panther takes probably many more days, and needs huge quantities of steel and petrol..T34 used diesel, so it did not burn so easy.
what would the USSR would have done in case Japan had attacked from the East instead of attacking pearl habor ?!? The chances of the Soviets to win this war would have been dramatically diminished, wouldn´t they all of a sudden ?!?
But you are wrong about the loan and lease program: The soviets did get massive help by the western countries already in 1941.And not only military equipment but also food, much neede medicine on a very LARGE scale.And it was important for Russia to get those goods
@kernerschreiber13 Shouldnt the german war planners know that Russia would get help from the allies?
In 1941 a german journalist in Tokyo, Richard Sorge(russian agent) told the russians that Japan would not attack Russia.Therefore the russians could move their siberian divisions to Moscow and start a huge counter attack dec. 1941.
Just before the war Sjukov had beaten up Japan at the Assur river..it was a lesson that Japan remembered when Germany wanted Japan to attack Russia...
And yeah, Lenin and his revolutionary battle within Russia did help the German Reich crucially to win the war on the Ostfront.....absolutely correct.What is already conceded as of now, is that the Reich did let Lenin at least travel from Switzerland through Germany to Russia.There you are correct, Sir.
And of course, a two font war always is a big pain in your ass;
BTW, I don´t have much problems with Russians at all.......generally speaking, I feel much more related to them than americans for instance.
Plus, take into cosideration that Prussia and Russia were allies in the "Befreiungskriege".In 1814, the "Siegesparade" in Paris there also were Prussian soldiers including warriors from other German states there.
Russia and Gemany nowadays, shall be eternal friends......that would be perfect.
The only thing I completelly despise are the bolchevists.....
in masses to the Germans and Austrians......incompetent military leaders....no food....no munition.....no will to continue this hopeless fight for any longer>>>>>thats why Russia lost.
Germans or Germanic tribes at least tend to be fierce plus proverbially feared warriors but as already mentioned when fighting literally against the whole world you don´t stand a chance......not Germany nor USSR or USA !!
@kernerschreiber13 Now a days Russia has so strong nuclear weapons so no one dares to attack Russia.They have enough for everyone who wants to taste them....
You maybe know that the USA and Russia have common military exercises now?
The German tanks were superior´to the Russian tanks in military speaking but more difficult to maintain.and with the lease and loan agreement with the USA and UK the advantage of the USSR evicdently was because of NUMBERS again.And don´t forget the 88er of the Wehrmacht !!
Anyways, in my opinion WWII was a big mistake especially by Germany but your notion to say "Germany always is losing at wars" I had to oppose.
@kernerschreiber13 If the german tanks was superior why then Guderian wanted to copy the T34 and KV1 in panic? 1941..why did Reichenau say 1941: "if the russians can massproduce this tank(T34), then we have lost the war".NO german tank had sloped armour before 1943...1941 Russia did not get any help from USA..Nov. 1941 the russians throw out the Leibstandarte from Rostov,dec.1941Sjukov stoped the germans ouside Leningrad, dec. 1941 Sjukov stoped germans at Moscow, and started a counter attack
@kernerschreiber13 And all this BEFORE the USA was in the war or able to send help to Russia...The US and english tanks was of low quality..Russian tanks was better..until the Panther, the russian tanks T34, KV1 was better than any german tank
In WWII, Germany still had a chance to turn the tides in late 1942 the war but too many mistakes were made on the ground such as taking Stalingrad no matter the price because Hitler was obsessed with the idea to capture the town named after Stalin etc. etc. instead of encircling the city and going South to the oil fields...
Besides, you should also take into consideration that th war still was going on on the Western Front so that the defeat of the Russians could not be that total or absolute as the German defeat as they always could threaten the Germans to open up the second front again.
And in WWI Germany indeed was the victor at the Eastern Front not because of the man power of course but because the military leadership was notches above the Russian generals >>>>> just look at the Battle of Tannenberg where the Germans were outnumberred like 1:4 or 1:5 and still were victorious at the end of the day.
BTW, you are aware of the fact that the Versailles dictate also was called a "Peace Treaty" ?!?
Listening to this victory propaganda films, Germans could not imagine that 3 months later, Russians will be knocking at Berlin doors with their tanks.
@nurmiar Exactly, mate like in 1917 where the German Empire was victorious against the Russians at the the Eastern front (Peace Treaty at Brest-Litowsk) !!
Frankly, get real in case Germany was united and did not had to sustain a war on two fronts just a fair one one one fight Germany did win the wars ( France 1870/71 as the best example).
in WWII, it literally took the whole world to beat Germany after six years, really easy eh
Maybe you are just the product of post-war allied propaganda ?!?
@nurmiar Well, I did not stand corrected with your reply.It still is a fact that historically, when the German Reich was unififed and stood as one she was had to overcome military even with a country as opponent as big as Russia in case of a one on one war !! As Wilhellm II or the legendary Paul von Hindenburg said "Wenn Deutschland aber verient war, es ward nicht bezwungen auf dem Schlachtfeld".
@kernerschreiber13 Its also a historical fact that Germany has never defeated Russia...Always when Germany and Russia has been friends, everything has gone good for both..otherwise , not so good.
So, why dont the german generals plan things so they did not have to fight the whole world? They should have been reading some more history, then they had noticed for instance Napoleon, he had the worlds biggest army,Russia was ALONE, no succes in Russia.Instead Russian army marched in to Paris 1814
@nurmiar in WWI, Germany was VICTORIOUS vs. Russia no matter how the circumstances were with the revolution etc. etc.....thats a historical FACT you wont have success to deny !! Russia surrendered to Germany in Brest-Litowsk.
I don´t care if your national ego can handle it or not. A defeat is a defeat is a defeat no matter how the circumstances were at this time within Russia with the revolution going on etc. Russia was beaten mainly by the Germans in WWI !!
@kernerschreiber13 I am not russian, but I am married to a russian woman.I would say that it was a peace treatment 1917,no capitulation..Germany was mainly beaten by the russians during WW2, 80% of Germanys army was in Russia, and many million of germans died there..and the WW2: s biggest battles was at the eastern front.The biggest air battle was at Kursk 1943, biggest tank battle was at Kursk 1943...and 1945 it was a total defeat.
I am not anti german..I would like a german-russian friendship
@kernerschreiber13 The reason that Russia wanted a peace treatment 1917 was : the germans let Lenin travel in secret to Russia.Germans knew that Lenin would start the revolution.This german plan had succes and Russia wanted peace...affter this Germany could move their army from Russia to the westfront and start their last big offensive..am I wrong?
@kernerschreiber13 You know about the german teutonic knights? Russia crushed them to..at lake Peipus, and the it was germans against russians only...
@kernerschreiber13 How big must a country be , so Germany can win a war? Russia is big, did not the germans know that? "Die russischen massen" , did not the germans know how big population there is in Russia?
"The russians have only shit weapons, bad soldiers and so on", the russians had better tanks in 1941, good artillery...for instance , the JSU 152 could easily blow the Tigers turret away, crush Ferdinands, Panthers and so on.
@kernerschreiber13 In 1945 at the Oder front the russians had : 40000artillery pieces, 2,5 million men, over 6000tanks, 7500planes...of course it was a peace of shit to crush the germans....Germany should have read what Bismarck said :" dont start war with Russia"
dont think they could have made enough although it would have huge physiological effect to drop it on the enemy's capital but that would need you to fly a bomber there which wouldnt be easy.
i must give the germans credit for fighting till the end. They all knew they lost the war in 1943 but as typical germans they battled on like true warriors
@maksatrg USSR is the Government. Russians are the people. I'm pretty sure it was the proud and mighty Russian peoples who did the fighting, not Stalin.
@RogueRaven17 maksatrg wanted to say not only Russians but all nations of Soviet Union and it is True man. There were onother 14 republics who fought bravely. Don't you agree?
@mustangtoyota oops! Yes you're absolutely right! I apologize for forgetting the other nations and ethnic groups who bravely fought the fascists! Sorry maksatrg, sorry mustangtoyota!
wenn nur sowas in den medien kam....so positiv alles....und dann am ende fragen sich alle....warum haben wir den verloren o.O xD
nja sie waren alle tapfere soldaten bei uns
Aventinuz1 3 months ago
I was referring to the "pain in your ass" in case you are confronted with a two front war situation !! LOL.....
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 OK, excuse me...sorry
nurmiar 1 year ago
If I am not too patriotic in your terms I´ll send you a friends invitation........
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 I have nothing against Germany or germans...
nurmiar 1 year ago
One last note: That the Reich was encircled was ennemies was not the fault of von Hindenburg but the failure of Wilhelm II as sad it was who unfortunately was lacking fundamental diplomatic skills !!
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 I would say as you about the Kaiser, Hindenburg was a respected man, I know that
nurmiar 1 year ago
back then Germany consisted of many little territorries.
But still a victory vs. the Teutonic Knights aint too shabby as they were fierce warriors on the battlefield.
But 1917 in historical-military terms should be considered as a Russian defeat.
Anyways,peace, mate ) !
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 OK...peace
nurmiar 1 year ago
from 1942 onwards, the Tiger had better armour plus stronger munition at his disposal, right ?!?
But of course, at the end of the day the USSR did win against Germany in WWII; the soviets even would have been able to win it it without the help from the West>>>> their military contribtuion is overrated, anyways !!
I have very limited knowledge about the Teutonic knights and their defeat at Lake Peipus to be quite frankly.But they weren´t not the official army of an UNITED Germany because
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
at Murmansk after the huge military defeats in 1941 to get things stabilized in the country, correct ?!?Why was it a first priority back then for the soviets to keep Murmansk and that rail way free from the Wehrmacht attacking from Finnland ?!?
I don´t know about the Guderian quote but as already stated the T34 was easier to maintain and also to produce in comparison to the Tiger for instance;
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 Because Murmansk is ice free during winter..therefore, the germans planned to take Murmansk dec. 1941(I just watched a documentary in History Channel) Dietl did not succed...in fact the germans could only advance 24 km during the whole war in the arctic.Yes, in 24 hours the russians could built a T34..a Tiger or Panther takes probably many more days, and needs huge quantities of steel and petrol..T34 used diesel, so it did not burn so easy.
nurmiar 1 year ago
what would the USSR would have done in case Japan had attacked from the East instead of attacking pearl habor ?!? The chances of the Soviets to win this war would have been dramatically diminished, wouldn´t they all of a sudden ?!?
But you are wrong about the loan and lease program: The soviets did get massive help by the western countries already in 1941.And not only military equipment but also food, much neede medicine on a very LARGE scale.And it was important for Russia to get those goods
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 Shouldnt the german war planners know that Russia would get help from the allies?
In 1941 a german journalist in Tokyo, Richard Sorge(russian agent) told the russians that Japan would not attack Russia.Therefore the russians could move their siberian divisions to Moscow and start a huge counter attack dec. 1941.
Just before the war Sjukov had beaten up Japan at the Assur river..it was a lesson that Japan remembered when Germany wanted Japan to attack Russia...
nurmiar 1 year ago
and their evil ideology !!
And yeah, Lenin and his revolutionary battle within Russia did help the German Reich crucially to win the war on the Ostfront.....absolutely correct.What is already conceded as of now, is that the Reich did let Lenin at least travel from Switzerland through Germany to Russia.There you are correct, Sir.
And of course, a two font war always is a big pain in your ass;
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 Ass? I never said something about you? And I am not russian...
nurmiar 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 "and their evil ideology"..well, I dont believe that the nazi ideology is much finer than the bolsjevism ,Sir
nurmiar 1 year ago
@nurmiar Well, thats a tough one for sure.......
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
BTW, I don´t have much problems with Russians at all.......generally speaking, I feel much more related to them than americans for instance.
Plus, take into cosideration that Prussia and Russia were allies in the "Befreiungskriege".In 1814, the "Siegesparade" in Paris there also were Prussian soldiers including warriors from other German states there.
Russia and Gemany nowadays, shall be eternal friends......that would be perfect.
The only thing I completelly despise are the bolchevists.....
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
in masses to the Germans and Austrians......incompetent military leaders....no food....no munition.....no will to continue this hopeless fight for any longer>>>>>thats why Russia lost.
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
Germans or Germanic tribes at least tend to be fierce plus proverbially feared warriors but as already mentioned when fighting literally against the whole world you don´t stand a chance......not Germany nor USSR or USA !!
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 Now a days Russia has so strong nuclear weapons so no one dares to attack Russia.They have enough for everyone who wants to taste them....
You maybe know that the USA and Russia have common military exercises now?
nurmiar 1 year ago
The German tanks were superior´to the Russian tanks in military speaking but more difficult to maintain.and with the lease and loan agreement with the USA and UK the advantage of the USSR evicdently was because of NUMBERS again.And don´t forget the 88er of the Wehrmacht !!
Anyways, in my opinion WWII was a big mistake especially by Germany but your notion to say "Germany always is losing at wars" I had to oppose.
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 If the german tanks was superior why then Guderian wanted to copy the T34 and KV1 in panic? 1941..why did Reichenau say 1941: "if the russians can massproduce this tank(T34), then we have lost the war".NO german tank had sloped armour before 1943...1941 Russia did not get any help from USA..Nov. 1941 the russians throw out the Leibstandarte from Rostov,dec.1941Sjukov stoped the germans ouside Leningrad, dec. 1941 Sjukov stoped germans at Moscow, and started a counter attack
nurmiar 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 And all this BEFORE the USA was in the war or able to send help to Russia...The US and english tanks was of low quality..Russian tanks was better..until the Panther, the russian tanks T34, KV1 was better than any german tank
nurmiar 1 year ago
In WWII, Germany still had a chance to turn the tides in late 1942 the war but too many mistakes were made on the ground such as taking Stalingrad no matter the price because Hitler was obsessed with the idea to capture the town named after Stalin etc. etc. instead of encircling the city and going South to the oil fields...
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
Besides, you should also take into consideration that th war still was going on on the Western Front so that the defeat of the Russians could not be that total or absolute as the German defeat as they always could threaten the Germans to open up the second front again.
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kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
And in WWI Germany indeed was the victor at the Eastern Front not because of the man power of course but because the military leadership was notches above the Russian generals >>>>> just look at the Battle of Tannenberg where the Germans were outnumberred like 1:4 or 1:5 and still were victorious at the end of the day.
BTW, you are aware of the fact that the Versailles dictate also was called a "Peace Treaty" ?!?
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
Listening to this victory propaganda films, Germans could not imagine that 3 months later, Russians will be knocking at Berlin doors with their tanks.
pablof59 1 year ago
now how can this not have more views?! Shouldnt ur young people care more about human past than some pop star?!
CommonTechHelp 1 year ago
7,000 views, and Britney Spears gets millions, shows how much culture there is in the world...
defbond75 2 years ago 7
Germany always loose all wars..now a days Russia has very strong nuclear defence so: welcome again
nurmiar 2 years ago
@nurmiar Exactly, mate like in 1917 where the German Empire was victorious against the Russians at the the Eastern front (Peace Treaty at Brest-Litowsk) !!
Frankly, get real in case Germany was united and did not had to sustain a war on two fronts just a fair one one one fight Germany did win the wars ( France 1870/71 as the best example).
in WWII, it literally took the whole world to beat Germany after six years, really easy eh
Maybe you are just the product of post-war allied propaganda ?!?
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 Yes, 1917 Russia and Germany made a peace treatment, but it was no capitulation by Russia, it was a peace treatment.
You maybe know Bismarcks words : "dont start war with Russia".
Did not the germans know that they will loose if they are at war with Russia and the USA at the same time?
What kind of weather do the germans need to win a war in Russia? They dont like winter , autumn or spring..but did not win during summers either.
nurmiar 1 year ago
@nurmiar Well, I did not stand corrected with your reply.It still is a fact that historically, when the German Reich was unififed and stood as one she was had to overcome military even with a country as opponent as big as Russia in case of a one on one war !! As Wilhellm II or the legendary Paul von Hindenburg said "Wenn Deutschland aber verient war, es ward nicht bezwungen auf dem Schlachtfeld".
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 Its also a historical fact that Germany has never defeated Russia...Always when Germany and Russia has been friends, everything has gone good for both..otherwise , not so good.
So, why dont the german generals plan things so they did not have to fight the whole world? They should have been reading some more history, then they had noticed for instance Napoleon, he had the worlds biggest army,Russia was ALONE, no succes in Russia.Instead Russian army marched in to Paris 1814
nurmiar 1 year ago
@nurmiar in WWI, Germany was VICTORIOUS vs. Russia no matter how the circumstances were with the revolution etc. etc.....thats a historical FACT you wont have success to deny !! Russia surrendered to Germany in Brest-Litowsk.
I don´t care if your national ego can handle it or not. A defeat is a defeat is a defeat no matter how the circumstances were at this time within Russia with the revolution going on etc. Russia was beaten mainly by the Germans in WWI !!
The Russian soldiers dis surrender
kernerschreiber13 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 I am not russian, but I am married to a russian woman.I would say that it was a peace treatment 1917,no capitulation..Germany was mainly beaten by the russians during WW2, 80% of Germanys army was in Russia, and many million of germans died there..and the WW2: s biggest battles was at the eastern front.The biggest air battle was at Kursk 1943, biggest tank battle was at Kursk 1943...and 1945 it was a total defeat.
I am not anti german..I would like a german-russian friendship
nurmiar 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 The reason that Russia wanted a peace treatment 1917 was : the germans let Lenin travel in secret to Russia.Germans knew that Lenin would start the revolution.This german plan had succes and Russia wanted peace...affter this Germany could move their army from Russia to the westfront and start their last big offensive..am I wrong?
nurmiar 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 You know about the german teutonic knights? Russia crushed them to..at lake Peipus, and the it was germans against russians only...
nurmiar 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 How big must a country be , so Germany can win a war? Russia is big, did not the germans know that? "Die russischen massen" , did not the germans know how big population there is in Russia?
"The russians have only shit weapons, bad soldiers and so on", the russians had better tanks in 1941, good artillery...for instance , the JSU 152 could easily blow the Tigers turret away, crush Ferdinands, Panthers and so on.
nurmiar 1 year ago
@kernerschreiber13 In 1945 at the Oder front the russians had : 40000artillery pieces, 2,5 million men, over 6000tanks, 7500planes...of course it was a peace of shit to crush the germans....Germany should have read what Bismarck said :" dont start war with Russia"
nurmiar 1 year ago
if the Nazis completed the A-bomb 1st the tide could still be turned.
yusukegarners 2 years ago
If...but they did not..time to wake up and stop dreaming...
nurmiar 2 years ago
dont think they could have made enough although it would have huge physiological effect to drop it on the enemy's capital but that would need you to fly a bomber there which wouldnt be easy.
hatemf23 2 years ago
@yusukegarners if and if, thats just speculation..the truth was another
nurmiar 1 year ago
it was an austrain that started both wars....
Lulzrustypipes 2 years ago
i must give the germans credit for fighting till the end. They all knew they lost the war in 1943 but as typical germans they battled on like true warriors
Nebelwerfer89 2 years ago 2
Because otherwise they had been shot by the militarypolice, so they where forced to fight to the bitter end...
nurmiar 2 years ago
@Nebelwerfer89 And if they had not fight, then the military police should have hanged them or shot them..so, there where not many other solutions...
nurmiar 1 year ago
not russians , soviets. it was USSR who won the war. never forget
maksatrg 4 years ago 8
soviets are russians
emachines007 3 years ago
@maksatrg USSR is the Government. Russians are the people. I'm pretty sure it was the proud and mighty Russian peoples who did the fighting, not Stalin.
RogueRaven17 1 year ago
@RogueRaven17 maksatrg wanted to say not only Russians but all nations of Soviet Union and it is True man. There were onother 14 republics who fought bravely. Don't you agree?
mustangtoyota 1 year ago
@mustangtoyota oops! Yes you're absolutely right! I apologize for forgetting the other nations and ethnic groups who bravely fought the fascists! Sorry maksatrg, sorry mustangtoyota!
RogueRaven17 1 year ago
@maksatrg So, the germans was nazis then, not germans
nurmiar 1 year ago
@maksatrg not germans , nazis. It was The Third Reich who lost the war. Never forget
nurmiar 1 year ago
@maksatrg So what where the germans? Nazis, not germans..?
nurmiar 1 year ago
@maksatrg weren't the "soviets" independent countries invaded and subjugated by the communists?
roaringwaterbay 1 year ago
@maksatrg do you see a difference? I mean this is the same people who fought and won the war. And the voice-over says Russian anyway ;-)
deckarudo 1 year ago
@deckarudo Even if its the same, dont forget that it was soviets
stykan 11 months ago
Quite brave. Optimistic to the end. Russians are knocking the door and Germans have learnt to be happy of even smallest good thing
SomeoneFin 4 years ago
@SomeoneFin If you not are "brave", then probably the military police shots you, or hang you...so it is better to be "brave"
nurmiar 1 year ago