Deskography, get ready.

[matts]

PROTIP: Sell all those old whacked out computers, and sell them all on Craigslist, then get a Mac. SIMPLE.

[matts]

Lmfao.

[LeodimeII]

Upgrading? Noooooww we're talking. :D

[AJComixII]

... an iMac to 16 GB of DDR3 RAM.

[LeodimeII]

Dude, more memory makes your computer slower. It's called latency. 16 GB of slow ram in an iMac is pointless.

[AJComixII]

DDR3 RAM.

3

3

3

1033 MHZ.

3

READ.

[LeodimeII]

1033 Mhz is slow. Check your faxz, pl0x.

[AJComixII]

Compared to what other RAM? CPU clock rates and RAM aren't the same. Additionally, you still haven't told me what the generic Pentium Duel Core's pipeline is.

[LeodimeII]

It's dual core, not duel. And I don't know what the pipeline is for this processor. I doubt it's even relevant since I can't find any information about it anywhere.

[AJComixII]

Wow, you're a total noob. All you've really done is point out typos I'm making by typing in the dark. Even Apple can demo this in under ten minutes for total laymen, In fact, they did. Check Youtube for "The Megahertz Myth", though a bit old it's still relevant. Example? The Intel Atom has a 16 stage pipeline, but Intel initially wanted to go as low as 12 stages. This would've been a smidgen too much power hungry however. Oh, and for reverence, the G5 is 13 stages,

[UbuntuLee]

You wont ever use all 16 gb so its a waste. stfu

[AJComixII]

UbuntuLEE! You actually watch me? Oh, I can use up 32 GB if I was allowed to. I'm a power hungry little gremlin, I assure you.

[AJComixII]

Besides, you use the shit out of Macs.

[AJComixII]

And 1033 MHz, slow? Right, so a total transfer rate on the current Apple standard of 1033 MHZ DDR3 RAM is 12.5 GB/s Yes, GIGABYTES. As in, in a single second, the RAM will run though 12 and a half Gigabytes worth every second. DDR3 is also capable of maxing out at 16 GB sticks. Single 16 GB sticks. So, if I put two 8 GB sticks (iMac max, and 16 GB sticks aren't out yet) the RAM will burn through everything I throw at it in just over a second.

[LeodimeII]

1600 Mhz DDR3 is becoming the standard in desktop computers. 1600 is obviously > 1033 for one. If the memory in the iMac is so insanely leet, I wonder how much it gets it's ass owned by a low-power, cheaper desktop stick.

[AJComixII]

So, you're telling me that you can build a system that'll beat DDR3 based on DDR2? Right, so post a video once you get two rigs with 3 GHZ duel core CPUS (the same in fact), 16 GB of RAM each (1033 vs 800 obviously, but also note the other boosts of DDR3, look it up) and generally the same specs. Of course, feel free to try a 7 VS Snow Leopard on the exact same specs whenever you like, both 64 bit of course (default for SL, different version of 7).

[AJComixII]

Of COURSE 1.6 Ghz RAM is better than, and will replace 1033. I would like you to name a consumer desktop that uses DDR3 RAM currently, or even in the last year since Apple switched to DDR3.

[ASCII808]

any computer with a core i7/ i5 which dell & Hp, etc sell.

a core i7 920 desktop uses ddr3.

[AJComixII]

Because i7 computers are used by the average consumer. OH SHIT DEFINITION FAIL.

Most consumers get the new Celery CPU, that being the "Pentium Duel Core", or the C2D (C2D being very good of course).

[LeodimeII]

The "celery" is actually Core 2 based.

[AJComixII]

The early Celeries were also Pentium 2, 3, 4 etc based. They still had long ass pipelines (The first had 22 stages! That's a JOURNEY) low end front caches, etc.

[ASCII808]

okay fine for the sake of the consumer, Amd or core i5..

Most consumers don't buy macs, so I don't see the argument for pentium dual core or Core 2 duo. you can get core 2 duo based laptops with DDR3. you can build a good system for 700$ with a core i5.

[AJComixII]

I've been sitting around and comparing prices of manufactures, and Apple actually is tending to be MUCH cheaper in comparison. How many people are willing to build their own rig? Now, I may, but most will not.

[LeodimeII]

For the same amount of money, you could build a computer that will destroy reality. You could put 12 GB of fast DDR3 ram insde, Core i7 processor, 1 TB HD, 2 graphics cards in cross fire, etc. Yet you go with the MehMac because it has a 27" LED display. and an old ass processor at 3 Ghz. You're going to make me cry AJ. How could you make me cry?

[Mattkips]

No one cares about your opinion, nigger.

[LeodimeII]

Wow.

[AJComixII]

Build yourself, yes. How many people know how to do that again?

[ASCII808]

if you are getting an imac, at least go with the i5, the core 2 duo is dying technology. I rather build something for less, that beats any mac. I think an upgrade will fix your problem, your system is pretty slow. build an amd phenom system for 500$ or core i5/i7 if you want some of the latest.

[LeodimeII]

Let's see. The Dell Studio XPS 16 which is the PC equivalent of the MacBook Pro has DDR3 memory at 1333 Mhz (wow, faster than the iMac!)

[AJComixII]

I've been comparing prices, and generally having the same specs the Mac Pro VS Dell's numerous equivalents on the closest possible specs usually end up with Dell being around 600 bucks more expensive, over a 1000 if you buy more RAM on your own. Yes, plenty of companies do offer 1333 MHZ as opposed to 1066 MHZ, but I think I'll check the prices on that. Oh, and ASCII, I'm aware of latency, my point is that DDR3 allows for more efficient "highways" (how laymanic)

[ASCII808]

ddr3 1066 MHZ is very slow. ddr2 1066MHZ is faster. to add to that ddr3 is only fast in tri channel, and also you need at least 1600MHZ to see a big difference between DDR2.

Also dude, the more ram you have the slower it gets because of latency. think of it as a highway. when I get faster ram the highway gets shorter, when I get more ram the highway gets longer and wider. point is that fast ram is more important than more ram. build a desktop for best performance.

[AJComixII]

Lets say I want to make an image in GIMP involving the flame renderer and fractles at a resolution of say, 3840 by 2160. That would easily use 500 MB of RAM with just a blank image that size. I could make that image quickly with a 3.04 GHZ C2D processor, and a midrange NVIDIA GPU. That image might take tenish seconds to just load up on your machine, but it took me mere seconds to do every given stroke of the image, and merely viewing it is no more difficult than viewing an icon.

[LeodimeII]

Tisk tisk, Mac fanboy without a Mac. You're like a little seed growing into a full fledged Mac warrior, saving the world one YouTube video at a time from the wrath of the evil Microsoft.

.__.

[AJComixII]

*Nix, not Mac asshole. I only want an iMac for specific apps.

[LeodimeII]

If you're going to spend that much money on a computer to run "specific apps" you're really overpaying. And don't call me an asshole when I'm not personally attacking you. This is a stupid computer debate to begin with. There's bigger shit to worry about than who has the fastest machine on the block.

[AJComixII]

"Tisk tisk, Mac fanboy without a Mac. "

Ad hominem. You could kindly not lie about personal attacks right after you make them. The fastest machine on the block, by the way, could mean quite a bit. If your machine is fast enough, you can run a simulation fast enough and realistically enough to really prepare for an approaching hurricane. The faster, the better.

[matts]

No one cares for your opinion LeodimeII lol.

[LeodimeII]

No one cares abot your 10 second troll replies matts, lol

[matts]

Whoever said I was a troll? I'm mealy a useful user.

[Mattkips]

Troll.

[AJComixII]

Oh, and I actually completely forgot to call you on this the first time, AD. HOMINEM. FALLACY. And I'd like to note ad ridiculum, along with some projection fallacies.

[AJComixII]

Microsoft isn't evil. Microsoft is just total shit.

[LeodimeII]

And even you should know that rendering filters is more CPU intensive than anything. The GPU comes into play when rendering to a file.

[AJComixII]

Hence the 3.04 GHZ dual core CPU.

[AJComixII]

I know that, but when you're saving a high ass resolution image on floating point integers etc, you'll want to save fairly quickly.