I would also strongly recommend that anyone interested, examine a very powerful analysis of Mr. Harris' secularist perspective & subjectivism by Jackson Lears. The article is called, "The same old new atheism" . It can be read in the May 2011 issue of the Nation Magazine.
1 SAMUEL 15:3 NIV - Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.Do not spare them;put to death men and women, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys!!!
Book of Ezakiel, chapter 23, can you seriously say these are words of God? By the way these are from Children Bible, I am not sure if you can ask any child to read them in front of people??
20 when she had been in love with their profligates, big-membered as donkeys, ejaculating as violently as stallions
21 'You were hankering for the debauchery of your girlhood, when they used to handle your nipples in Egypt and fondle your young breasts.
24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Clear proof from Luke that Jesus was made of flesh & bones and ate!
24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
AMEN!! I'm truly thankful for Ravi Zacharias' ministry and praise the Lord for his ability to articulate God's word so clearly. This message is so profound. A wonderful encouragement :)
Everyone assimilates words they compile them and according to experience and the reality of the physical brain accept them as a mode of faith. Whether religious or not thought occurs this way when we put our faith in words.So why the Bible and its words.? Because it immediatly demands powerlessness. Though reasonable and intellectual the Bible is not written to be received without God's Spirit. Regardless of how articulate the speaker of the Bible only God's Spirit with His words give faith
So... if the Bible is as accurate as Ravi says, I assume that the Old Testament god is accurate as well? You know, killing gazillions of people over the years on a whim? Who'd want to be 'saved' by that god?
The Bible claims to be the very Word of God. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.” 2 Timothy 3: 16 (KJV) The following verse explains what inspiration is. “Prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” 2 Peter 1:21 (NKJV) Because the words these holy men of God wrote were not their own but were given to them by the Holy Spirit, “The scripture cannot be broken.” John 10:35.
The question is much simpler than that. What reason is there at all to believe what's written in a book that was written at a time in which so few could even read and people who could read and write manipulated it whichever way they saw to benefit themselves. Logically it makes no sense.
@neurel111 Today we can read and evaluate it's writings and put it through the tests that any other historical claims go through. If they misread and led it's followers astray is different than saying what was written was changed. If this happened it was in isolated cases because they are known for extremely accurate oral traditions in which whole families would be responsible for maintaining parts of Scripture. Using textual criticism from several sources we verify it maintained integrity.
Most rational people who actually bother to read the whole bible instead of only a few selected "nice" pieces your preachers choose condemn it. It promotes sexism and slavery and even that barely starches the surface of the atrocities it promotes. It always amuses me how you pretend to stand on the moral high-ground with a bible like that. I read it once, and it struck me as a perfect tool for herding sheep.
@neurel111 Reading it once, doesn't mean you understood it. it doesn't read like a novel but as a historical document. You it promotes slavery, but if analyzed you see that it simply laid out laws that in fact were responsible for saving lives that were once being lost. And you say it promotes sexism when it attributes a woman for saving the Jewish race in Esther, the Jewish Queen of Persia.
Find a direct quote of your claim, you will find none. Thus it's only your interpretation which makes it sound nice. You will find many direct quotes about how fathers should kill their daughters after they have sex before marriage, especially if they are raped. You will also find rules on how you should beat your slave. The bible is a work of dark fantasy, though if not for so many contradiction it might have even been enjoyable.
@neurel111 Slavery was a mechanism of serving a sentence. The Bible differentiates because it mentions the bond servant which was different from a slave.They didn't have prisons. So when a prisoner of today is disorderly, nobody ever protests when guards rush him,taze him,or beat him. Put into the context of the time, it was completely rational to deal with slaves in this manner. There had to be some sort of order and mosaic laws put a limit to it. It's called Law of retribution.Lex talionis
Now I see why they all say talking to people like you is futile. You people have to lie to yourselves it seems. Read the bible. Slavery rarely had anything to do with crime. There are countless episodes in which the "chosen of god" lead a slaughter against a village, raped women and made slaves of everyone. Read the original not the watered down version preachers give their sheep.
@neurel111 Lie? you can verify this because historians agree with this. That is a bold claim. Give me the chapter and verse and lets break this down. You are mistaken that the Bible ever said to rape anyone. Sometimes it would say to keep the Almah-(young women) -modern Bibles say virgin- to become citizens of Israel, not to rape them. And to kill the ones who could possibly menace Israel. You need to put it into context, not add extra meaning.
@MayonR Ad hominem attacks prove nothing and usually are a sign of conceding so that you are not swayed from your convoluted reasoning. I use historical and textual context which has exhaustively been proven by scholars biblical and secularists. Most are aware of this unless you use You Tube pop theology. And sometimes university professors are known to use this on unknowledgable students. As for some it is in the agenda to knock the belief of God out of you.You just may not like the answer.
@neurel111 We need to read the Bible for what it means, not provide our own interpretation. Judges is all about Israels disobedience. So this is not within God's wishes. It's about a rebellious child.[[ Numbers 31:7-18 ]] If you go back to ch25 you can see why God was so harsh with them. They killed everyone who could be an influence against them and spared the innocents.
@neurel111 [[ Deuteronomy 20:10-14)]] here we can see clues as to why God had ordered this. It wasn't total conquest but was defensive to protect against the dangers posed by these nations. And we see a clue of this in verse 18. Also it exhibited that with God anything is possible. What He promises will happen. If you have no faith then you can just sit on the sidelines.v.8
@neurel111 [[ Deuteronomy 22:28-29 ]] When my buddy was a teenager he was having premarital sex with a young girl. Her dad was huge and he literally made him marry her. Some things never change. This is about responsibility and in most customs a woman is undesirable to other men after an incident like this. We see a very good solution here. Just think if it were set in stone today. We would have a lot less single mothers. Maybe less premarital sex in general.
@neurel111 [[ Deuteronomy 22:23-24]] This is not simply rape but adultery. today with sex so rampant we can't understand this, but a commitment to marriage is also a symbol of our commitment to God. It is to show how strong this commitment is supposed to be. One woman for life. And no one in between us and God. In v.25 we can see that rape victims are spared since it was truly rape and not adultery in this case. Sex means nothing today. Nothing is taboo today, oh but the Bible is so evil.
@neurel111 So all we have seen here is yes war is a brutal thing, still is. And God did have high standards for everyone but it is obvious it is for our benefit. You can't fault him for expecting the best. Today's standards are so trashy, I really don't see how you can hold God to a higher standard than his since today we hardly have anything to measure with. Besides Jesus set the standards to an even higher bar and that is supposed to be what we live by today. The laws in the New Testament.
@neurel111 People make the mistake of comparing this to American plantation slavery. American slavery was unique to any other slavery in history. And the Bible did have laws against kidnapping. Plantations slaves lived on another side than their masters. In history many slaves lived in close proximity to their masters. And were treated much differently, almost like an extension of the family.
@neurel111 It is well known that an eye for an eye was an application of Lex talionis. Before people would kill for losing an eye. So it was not saying if you hurt me then I can hurt you. Instead it was instituting a limit to the penalty. Sometimes called the Law of Reciprocity or reciprocal justice. This is widely recognized and is applied to our modern laws. Well maybe not recognized if you simply read through the Bible as a novel. I call this picking and choosing out of context.
Which bible did you use? It clearly stated murder and rape, your attempts to justify it are amusing. After a bit of googling i found this site: evilbible [dot] com take some time to read it, EVERYTHING there is cited from the bible, not some preachers. The bible is an outdated book that is by no means a source of any morals, if you think there is morality there you are deluded.
@neurel111 You are being very broad and not addressing anything I gave you that is specific. At first you provided many verses. All your saying is,"I don't agree". In Judges it was a historical account, not a commandment of God because that's what Judges is about. And some were questions of responsibility. Others occurred during the instances of war. If God had commanded rape then it would be found throughout the Bible and would had been adhered.
What you gave me in specific was your wishful interpretation of it, the bible had it plain and simple and some people say the original was even more brutal than the English translation(s).
In some verses "God" commanded the slaughter and stated that women of the victims are yours to do with as you please in no uncertain terms. But I see it is pointless, you will not let go of your indoctrination and continue to convince yourself that the character called god didn't order this. Amusing.
@neurel111 If God commanded it, Him being the Creator of the Universe would see what you don't. But even here He provides us with the reason, and I laid that out, not using my own interpretation, but providing the verse for you to reference. He puts the person seeking free sex responsible for his actions, and you say that is wrong. He spares the innocent and kills those who could pollute the nation, and you say that is wrong. Then you want me to adopt your reasoning?
I don't want you to adopt any reasoning because I know you can't. If you were capable of reasoning the first thing you would do is ask yourself what reason is there to believe that what is written in some ancient book is valid and soon come to a conclusion that there is no such reason and many against it. The character of god as is stated in the bible kills anyone and has no clear goals. Humans invented the bible, god might exist but not as the bible or any book states it.
@neurel111 Because the Book has stood up to all scrutiny through time and yet it has been the most scrutinized book of all time. It was written by 40 authors in different time periods and countries. Yet it retains amazing fluidity, when for this reason it should be a huge mess(too many chefs on one pot). Every prophecy that it said would come true did.The stories such as Abraham going up to sacrifice his only son,is an exact reciprocal of Jesus Christ. In fact the OT is a reciprocal of the NT.
But you see that is wrong. It did not stand up to scrutiny, problem is people like you snuff out any real investigations by refusing to accept the results. There is a huge catalog of all the contradictions on the very site I gave you and it's ALL cited from the bible, they made nothing up which is why I actually trust them more than your preachers: evilbible[dot]com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm
And there is no proof the bible was written when it claims it was written.
@neurel111 It does stand up to scholarly scrutiny. You are wagering your eternity on a biased website, but it's better to do an unbiased investigation to see if even that website stands up to scrutiny. And even on it's homepage we see when it mentions Judges it is already wrong. A huge catalog does not mean it's accurate. it's designed for people who want easy answers.There is no doubt the prophecies of Jesus were written before His birth.
Just a word of advice, there are countless religions invented by humans and most contradict each other. So it means that only one can be right, or none. After reviewing some of them and seeing how well they are designed to control people I just rejected the notion of religion, it's illogical to accept a religion. Exploiting people's childhood to convince them of a false belief is a practice since time immemorial.
@neurel111 You'r right. Faith by itself doesn't prove something is right. The alternative evolution fails by the standards that evolution has set for it, even though on the fringes there are those who say it's proven. It's something for you to investigate. As for me I'm continually fascinated by developments which continue to support the Bible. And the prophecies occurring today are not a product of internet because very young before the web I knew and waited for them to occur. I'm still amazed.
So you also don't accept evolution? Well then it is truly a waste of time. Without understanding evolution biology is next to useless. And a very simple example which most people experience are antibiotics, ever heard of the bacteria getting resistant? Well its because they evolve to resist the antibiotic right before your eyes. Rejecting evolution when there is so much evidence for it is truly pitiful. Enough said, enjoy your delusions.
@MayonR And in no way am I implying he didn't believe in evolution but he has been quite candid at times. "There were no human witnesses to the origin of the Universe, the origin of life or the origin of a single living thing. These were unique, unrepeatable events of the past that cannot be observed in nature or repeated in the laboratory. Thus neither creation nor evolution qualifies as a scientific theory and each is equally religious." I tend to agree with him there.
@neurel111 And you can't tell me that my understanding is due to what preachers told me because at age 14 is when I noticed it the Old testament was a reciprocal of the New Testament, through reading it. How can all these facts exist all together without the finger of God. There is no book in the world that has accomplished this.
in fact ex evolutionary scientist Walter Veith did an investigation on the book of Daniel which was without doubt written before any of it's claims occurred according to all scholars.He checked history and it stood up to amazing accuracy. Lee Strobel award-winning legal editor of The Chicago Tribune is another. People who have set out to disprove it became Christians over and over through scholarly work. Go ahead and trust a website if you like.
What you described is a process of adaptation not macro evolution. It is not a stage of transition between classes. Like I said it fails by it's own standards. Sir Karl Popper regarded as the best known philosopher of science, an evolutionist himself"I have come to the conclusion that Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme—a possible framework for testable scientific theories." Even the fossil record is never used as proof.
You will that the vast majority of biologists accept evolution. It is a well established theory.
Arguing against it is futile.
Where did dogs come from? They evolved from wolves. We forced that evolution but it is evolution. And once you allow that artificial selection is possible natural selection is likewise implied. Humans chose dogs they liked on some criteria, same with nature, the criteria being survival and reproduction. Look it up, don't quote some lone guy.
@neurel111 As James Tour synthetic chemist said, that most scientist are to busy to make profound statements about evolution because they are to busy with their science.It is a very small minority that make statements like that. And dogs and wolves have been proven to share many genes, to the point that it's said the dog came from the wolf. Even poodles have innumerable wolf genes. Most of the breeding of dogs were done by humans and not naturally anyways.
@neurel111 I suggest instead of listening to a website, to study and seek if there is any reasoning behind the superficial appearance. What would be the end result had we done it your way? Also you must understand that God is taking into account many steps ahead, in fact decades and centuries ahead. n fact He is taking into account the final plan. Not just that initial moment you are looking at. Thats why it's best to trust God.
Whilst I can understand nonbelievers who post unpleasantries on this forum, I must say I don't think it's understandable how believers who have found faith & love in Christ can rebuke others with unnecessary words. Harsh? Perhaps. The truth can sometimes be harsh.
On the other hand, "moron", "pimple on Ravi's ass" are not quite as palatable. I feel very anguished by "God-hating" comments as well, but perhaps let us try to abtain from using such unloving language.
pretty sure when you over simplify things to that degree....religion starts playing their games. and do you even read what you write!? Big band didn't happen in a library...
I can admit i don't read what i type. haha So if you want the bible to talk for you....hmmmm Creationist got their asses handed back to them by science because the "bible" talked for them......I'd say fuck Christianity with their hypocritical actions.
@macro312 "Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says Today if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts...'they always go astray in their heart; and they did not know my ways'; as I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest.'" Take care, brethren, lest there should be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart, in falling away from the living God
I gave up arguing with idiots years ago: I would not buy this idiots book, nor could I ever agree with his position in this video - he's just plain wrong. When you take the position that the Bible is more than a collection of various/varying texts - a premeditated compilation - you're argument for revelation and relevance becomes idiotic. There are many educated people who give a good talk - but their education is barren of common sense, or rational introspection and wisdom.
@Reerrpad5515 hey man.....my advice is to play this several times until you understand what he is saying....he is having a really intellectual conversation here and it could take some time to fully understand what he is saying...not an insult..just the truth
@nattyd50 Truth be told, I have heard his audiobooks, several times. My sister loves this guy, thinks he flies no lies and is a direct line to the divine. His arguments just don't hold water, as evidenced by the fact that his toughest opponent was a fictional college student he created out of thin air as a strawman. Hes an ardent opponent of atheists, Nietzsche, and facts, and God help reality if it gets in his way.
There are better scholars, check out his ACTUAL education, hes a Hovind.
I don't think it's a good reason to believe something "just because it doesn't contradict itself". I mean most novels don't contradict themselves and we don't believe them for truth.
I would much rather believe something based on evidence rather than because it's not overtly inaccurate.
Just because Christ, at a probability of 99.6% exists doesn't mean he's divine either. Michael Jackson had a higher chance of existing and he's certainly not divine.
@aa3gunner No, he is a liar and a fraud. He is the equivalent of a car salesman for theism. He continuously misrepresents his actual education, his actual status in the academic world, and the actual science he was taught and is fully aware of. He is the latest version of Kent Hovind, and the weakness of his arguments is betrayed by his refusal to debate anyone but sophomore college students.
@Reerrpad5515: you're funny, you know that? Yeah he' debated lots of philosophers and thinkers. i've seen him on TV and listened to him many times on the radio. You just can't accept the fact that this man's flow of thought, brilliant illustrations and flow of logic kicks the asses of people like you.
It angers and irritates you to listen to him because deep inside you know that what he speaks is true and accurate. It's ok. Everyone is free to choose to stay lost. I just feel sorry for you.
@aa3gunner Who has he debated? When? Christian talk show hosts don't count as debate opponents.
It angers and irritates me when I listen to him because I can pick out the false logic, fake science, straw men, red herrings, etc. My sister is a hardcore Christian, and I hate that she is taken in by this con man. If you have a sister who's taken in by the nonsensical preachments of a car salesman who is basically ripping her off, would you get a little angry as well? Or is that OK too.
@the1qb aka bought a shitty car for too much money? Yeah, SUPER GLAD THX!
Did you read my post? Has anyone answered with someone he has debated? Has he done anything but laugh at college students and talk circles around himself?
If he was preaching the exact same thing, but instead of Jeebus, he was praising Allah, you would all be less than convinced. How is that not obvious to any of you? How deep is that hole you have your heads buried in?
@Reerrpad5515 He couldn't make the same arguments about islam or judaism because they aren't true. The reason he is able to make such beautifully worded assertions is because the base that he is working off of is whole heartedly true that's why the best apologetics are christian.
Speaking of the Trinity, The Illustrated Bible Dictionary admits: It is not a biblical doctrine in the sense that any formulation of it can be found in the Bible. Because the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine, Trinitarians have been desperately looking for Bible texts even twisting them to find support for their teaching.
Jesus accepted worship because he is a god in the sense of being divine, but he is not the Father.
@PakDaeHan well first, one should bring good evidence that a god even exists. my oh my how religious people are brain-washed and they dont even realize it.
@DANgerKim think about who's really brain washed... and who really disregards reality and truth!! the atheist is the one who comes up with a false reality so he can believe what he wants. Has science ever proven that something comes from nothing???
@moreofYOU. technically, nothing is really PROVEN. I'm not saying that there is no possibility that doesnt exist, what i am saying is that there isnt sufficient evidence, religious people have a hard time even showing good evidence that the bible is truly credible. As for your last question, have you heard of the quantum uncertainty principle?
@DANgerKim idk where you get your info from but the Bible has been proven over and over again... not only with prophecy but with geography and science. This book stands the test of time and critics
@moreofYOU the bible has never been proven. there is no evidence for its truth. but maybe you can explain to me how its true through science and geography because i believe there to be more evidence for evolution sir.
@DANgerKim sure id love to... first off scientifically the bible makes the claim of the earth being round and the earth revolving around the the sun not the other way around... oh and this was all before it was people believed it. secondly God gave the jewish nation laws on what they should eat and on and on all that to say that the jewish people have never suffered any major plague because all the laws were there for their protection against disease... some of these laws weren't understood...
until modern science showed that there were heath benefits... there are also historic claims that the skeptics try to debunk the bible such as Nebuchadnezzar taking articles from the jewish temple and using them for his worship... they say that that never happened. then they were excavating in Babylon and found writings documenting such practices... there are many more reasons why i believe in the Bible and God if you really want to discuss it message me
@moreofYOU The passage in Isaiah about the earth being round comes a millenia or two after the ancient Egyptians postulated a circular earth, a theory defended by Pythagoras around 500 BC. The bible's use of this information is less than impressive. Oh, and Job 38:13 "That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?"
Black Plague ring a bell? I don't think shellfish really counts as a cause of that one.
@DANgerKim: Many scientific facts were written in the Bible thousands of years before science has confirmed them. the book of Leviticus says "The life of the flesh is in the blood". People figured that out just 200 years ago. George Washington died of blood letting. The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. "When He imparted weight to the wind and meted out the waters by measure" [Job 28:25]
@aa3gunner Once again, this is not insight which requires divine inspiration. One person bleeding to death in war-torn Mesopotamia would give rise to this passage.
The fact that air has weight can be discovered by living in the desert for all of 5 minutes. One solid gust of wind pushing at you belies the requirement of scientific measurement for verification. Its obviously got weight, how else could it push you?
This selective quote-mining proves nothing. Better luck next time.
@DANgerKim Solomon described a "cycle" of air currents two thousand years before scientists "discovered" them. "The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits" (Ecclesiastes 1:6).
Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the "things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
@aa3gunner Wind coming from the north, then the south, then the north would logically entail it moving on a circuit. This is not genius, its common sense, even 2000 years ago.
The entire quote is "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" Thats not atoms, thats God making the worlds. Atoms were postulated by Lucretius in De Rerum Natura, which is not considered divinely inspired.
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because Ravi is paid well & his a comedian, oh mean a scholar that believe in theories he tries 2 get others 2 have as much conviction as he has in his theories, cause even he can admitt there is a % of truth he can not prove, but will die trying 2 explain & compare other faiths 2 prove his thoery correct, & that's still doesn't prove his right, it does when him fans & a continuing job traveling talking with earger followers.
I made a video Debunking many of his claims, and am making many more. He whent to Trinity University. Its a bible collage. Its ran by an Agnostic church. It first started out as a 10week bible camp. But is now a University. He recieved his M.D from there.
@afar1 "1 Corinthians 13 1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing. "
depends on whether or not you believe they're inspired.there are many other books that are not in the Bible, like the book of Enoch,even the book of Adam and Eve and the Testaments of the 12 patriarchs of Israel, which may or may not be written by the real authors.
The Apocrypha were formally canonized by the Roman Catholic 'Church' on April 8, 1546 A.D. at the Council of Trent.
It was a later addition to the originally selected books for the bible. One would need to then ask themselves why weren't those books originally included.
Actually, what I notice is a man asking a real important question and then showing respect afterwards.
That is rare in this society.
Let us suppose that Ravi had a stupid answer. Do you think people would be polite? Life is better when people show respect and are polite.
Just ask the young women in Pakistan who have acid splashed on their face if they would rather have people who are polite and respectful in their lands.
some people simply dont want there to be a God. You sometimes hear lots of talk about being rational and logical... but you have folks with a personal (and VERY EMOTIONAL ) agenda, concrning why they reject the idea of a God.
I think Atheists are the ones with the emotional irrational agenda when it comes to skeptics; becouse it isnt rational to totaly refuse to even consider the idea of a posible higher intelligence. Thats rubbish.
Now...the AGNOSTIC on the other hand. Atleast hes reasonable.
he gave examples of fulfilled prophecy, prophecy that covers western history and textual evidence of a preserved message. if you dont want to believe it, fine. but thats a great synopsis in under 7 minutes.
What were you looking for? What words does he have to use to convince you of the philisophical, physical, historical, and existential accuracy of the Bible?
Praise the Lord. God blessed Ravi with wonderful heavenly wisdom and knowledge. He is very natural and makes lot of sense.
TheCommandModule 19 hours ago
HAY trinity people
GOD is one1
NOT three3 person"s
2222pauline 3 weeks ago
you have some great stuff here
shoppittsburghnow 1 month ago
This guy would destroy a bigot such as Richard Dawkins
philster00700 2 months ago
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I would also strongly recommend that anyone interested, examine a very powerful analysis of Mr. Harris' secularist perspective & subjectivism by Jackson Lears. The article is called, "The same old new atheism" . It can be read in the May 2011 issue of the Nation Magazine.
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1 SAMUEL 15:3 NIV - Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.Do not spare them;put to death men and women, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys!!!
So bible preaches killing of babies???
icbg63123 4 months ago
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Book of Ezakiel, chapter 23, can you seriously say these are words of God? By the way these are from Children Bible, I am not sure if you can ask any child to read them in front of people??
20 when she had been in love with their profligates, big-membered as donkeys, ejaculating as violently as stallions
21 'You were hankering for the debauchery of your girlhood, when they used to handle your nipples in Egypt and fondle your young breasts.
Seriously??
icbg63123 4 months ago
24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
So God ate food and did human function???
icbg63123 4 months ago
Clear proof from Luke that Jesus was made of flesh & bones and ate!
24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
icbg63123 4 months ago
AMEN!! I'm truly thankful for Ravi Zacharias' ministry and praise the Lord for his ability to articulate God's word so clearly. This message is so profound. A wonderful encouragement :)
auntynaenae1 5 months ago
Richard Dawkins can learn a lot from Ravi.
ikawpipa 6 months ago
Everyone assimilates words they compile them and according to experience and the reality of the physical brain accept them as a mode of faith. Whether religious or not thought occurs this way when we put our faith in words.So why the Bible and its words.? Because it immediatly demands powerlessness. Though reasonable and intellectual the Bible is not written to be received without God's Spirit. Regardless of how articulate the speaker of the Bible only God's Spirit with His words give faith
polopowers1 6 months ago
So... if the Bible is as accurate as Ravi says, I assume that the Old Testament god is accurate as well? You know, killing gazillions of people over the years on a whim? Who'd want to be 'saved' by that god?
valkyrie034 7 months ago
Ravi hits the Truth ball out of the park and makes the athiest put his underwear on his head and wear them around in public....
doobersmanster 7 months ago in playlist ! RAVI Zacharias Lectures of Wisdom!
Man!
tipsdaturtle 7 months ago
ravi rips atheism a new one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jonniec7 7 months ago
disregard what afar1 says
LIGHTRONIX 9 months ago
Ravi is THE MAN !!!!!!
1lebero 10 months ago
God bless RAvi!!!! God keep you safe and deliver you!
TriniArabGirl 10 months ago
As the saying goes... " the stupid.. it hurts "
Roper122 1 year ago
What reason is there to believe that a book was written by someone who the book itself claims wrote it?
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 Can you provide the chapter and verse you are referring to, as to be specific?
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
Use google and get:
The Bible claims to be the very Word of God. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.” 2 Timothy 3: 16 (KJV) The following verse explains what inspiration is. “Prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” 2 Peter 1:21 (NKJV) Because the words these holy men of God wrote were not their own but were given to them by the Holy Spirit, “The scripture cannot be broken.” John 10:35.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 So is your question then, how are we to know that it truly is inspired of God?
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
The question is much simpler than that. What reason is there at all to believe what's written in a book that was written at a time in which so few could even read and people who could read and write manipulated it whichever way they saw to benefit themselves. Logically it makes no sense.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 Today we can read and evaluate it's writings and put it through the tests that any other historical claims go through. If they misread and led it's followers astray is different than saying what was written was changed. If this happened it was in isolated cases because they are known for extremely accurate oral traditions in which whole families would be responsible for maintaining parts of Scripture. Using textual criticism from several sources we verify it maintained integrity.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
Most rational people who actually bother to read the whole bible instead of only a few selected "nice" pieces your preachers choose condemn it. It promotes sexism and slavery and even that barely starches the surface of the atrocities it promotes. It always amuses me how you pretend to stand on the moral high-ground with a bible like that. I read it once, and it struck me as a perfect tool for herding sheep.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 Reading it once, doesn't mean you understood it. it doesn't read like a novel but as a historical document. You it promotes slavery, but if analyzed you see that it simply laid out laws that in fact were responsible for saving lives that were once being lost. And you say it promotes sexism when it attributes a woman for saving the Jewish race in Esther, the Jewish Queen of Persia.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
Find a direct quote of your claim, you will find none. Thus it's only your interpretation which makes it sound nice. You will find many direct quotes about how fathers should kill their daughters after they have sex before marriage, especially if they are raped. You will also find rules on how you should beat your slave. The bible is a work of dark fantasy, though if not for so many contradiction it might have even been enjoyable.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 Slavery was a mechanism of serving a sentence. The Bible differentiates because it mentions the bond servant which was different from a slave.They didn't have prisons. So when a prisoner of today is disorderly, nobody ever protests when guards rush him,taze him,or beat him. Put into the context of the time, it was completely rational to deal with slaves in this manner. There had to be some sort of order and mosaic laws put a limit to it. It's called Law of retribution.Lex talionis
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
Now I see why they all say talking to people like you is futile. You people have to lie to yourselves it seems. Read the bible. Slavery rarely had anything to do with crime. There are countless episodes in which the "chosen of god" lead a slaughter against a village, raped women and made slaves of everyone. Read the original not the watered down version preachers give their sheep.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 Lie? you can verify this because historians agree with this. That is a bold claim. Give me the chapter and verse and lets break this down. You are mistaken that the Bible ever said to rape anyone. Sometimes it would say to keep the Almah-(young women) -modern Bibles say virgin- to become citizens of Israel, not to rape them. And to kill the ones who could possibly menace Israel. You need to put it into context, not add extra meaning.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR Ad hominem attacks prove nothing and usually are a sign of conceding so that you are not swayed from your convoluted reasoning. I use historical and textual context which has exhaustively been proven by scholars biblical and secularists. Most are aware of this unless you use You Tube pop theology. And sometimes university professors are known to use this on unknowledgable students. As for some it is in the agenda to knock the belief of God out of you.You just may not like the answer.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
Now this is becoming really amusing, instead of reading OTHER people's interpretations of the bible read it yourself, start with these:
Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
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neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 We need to read the Bible for what it means, not provide our own interpretation. Judges is all about Israels disobedience. So this is not within God's wishes. It's about a rebellious child.[[ Numbers 31:7-18 ]] If you go back to ch25 you can see why God was so harsh with them. They killed everyone who could be an influence against them and spared the innocents.
MayonR 1 year ago
@neurel111 [[ Deuteronomy 20:10-14)]] here we can see clues as to why God had ordered this. It wasn't total conquest but was defensive to protect against the dangers posed by these nations. And we see a clue of this in verse 18. Also it exhibited that with God anything is possible. What He promises will happen. If you have no faith then you can just sit on the sidelines.v.8
MayonR 1 year ago
@neurel111 [[ Deuteronomy 22:28-29 ]] When my buddy was a teenager he was having premarital sex with a young girl. Her dad was huge and he literally made him marry her. Some things never change. This is about responsibility and in most customs a woman is undesirable to other men after an incident like this. We see a very good solution here. Just think if it were set in stone today. We would have a lot less single mothers. Maybe less premarital sex in general.
MayonR 1 year ago
@neurel111 [[ Deuteronomy 22:23-24]] This is not simply rape but adultery. today with sex so rampant we can't understand this, but a commitment to marriage is also a symbol of our commitment to God. It is to show how strong this commitment is supposed to be. One woman for life. And no one in between us and God. In v.25 we can see that rape victims are spared since it was truly rape and not adultery in this case. Sex means nothing today. Nothing is taboo today, oh but the Bible is so evil.
MayonR 1 year ago
@neurel111 So all we have seen here is yes war is a brutal thing, still is. And God did have high standards for everyone but it is obvious it is for our benefit. You can't fault him for expecting the best. Today's standards are so trashy, I really don't see how you can hold God to a higher standard than his since today we hardly have anything to measure with. Besides Jesus set the standards to an even higher bar and that is supposed to be what we live by today. The laws in the New Testament.
MayonR 1 year ago
@neurel111 People make the mistake of comparing this to American plantation slavery. American slavery was unique to any other slavery in history. And the Bible did have laws against kidnapping. Plantations slaves lived on another side than their masters. In history many slaves lived in close proximity to their masters. And were treated much differently, almost like an extension of the family.
MayonR 1 year ago
@neurel111 It is well known that an eye for an eye was an application of Lex talionis. Before people would kill for losing an eye. So it was not saying if you hurt me then I can hurt you. Instead it was instituting a limit to the penalty. Sometimes called the Law of Reciprocity or reciprocal justice. This is widely recognized and is applied to our modern laws. Well maybe not recognized if you simply read through the Bible as a novel. I call this picking and choosing out of context.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
Which bible did you use? It clearly stated murder and rape, your attempts to justify it are amusing. After a bit of googling i found this site: evilbible [dot] com take some time to read it, EVERYTHING there is cited from the bible, not some preachers. The bible is an outdated book that is by no means a source of any morals, if you think there is morality there you are deluded.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 You are being very broad and not addressing anything I gave you that is specific. At first you provided many verses. All your saying is,"I don't agree". In Judges it was a historical account, not a commandment of God because that's what Judges is about. And some were questions of responsibility. Others occurred during the instances of war. If God had commanded rape then it would be found throughout the Bible and would had been adhered.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
What you gave me in specific was your wishful interpretation of it, the bible had it plain and simple and some people say the original was even more brutal than the English translation(s).
In some verses "God" commanded the slaughter and stated that women of the victims are yours to do with as you please in no uncertain terms. But I see it is pointless, you will not let go of your indoctrination and continue to convince yourself that the character called god didn't order this. Amusing.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 If God commanded it, Him being the Creator of the Universe would see what you don't. But even here He provides us with the reason, and I laid that out, not using my own interpretation, but providing the verse for you to reference. He puts the person seeking free sex responsible for his actions, and you say that is wrong. He spares the innocent and kills those who could pollute the nation, and you say that is wrong. Then you want me to adopt your reasoning?
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
I don't want you to adopt any reasoning because I know you can't. If you were capable of reasoning the first thing you would do is ask yourself what reason is there to believe that what is written in some ancient book is valid and soon come to a conclusion that there is no such reason and many against it. The character of god as is stated in the bible kills anyone and has no clear goals. Humans invented the bible, god might exist but not as the bible or any book states it.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 Because the Book has stood up to all scrutiny through time and yet it has been the most scrutinized book of all time. It was written by 40 authors in different time periods and countries. Yet it retains amazing fluidity, when for this reason it should be a huge mess(too many chefs on one pot). Every prophecy that it said would come true did.The stories such as Abraham going up to sacrifice his only son,is an exact reciprocal of Jesus Christ. In fact the OT is a reciprocal of the NT.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
But you see that is wrong. It did not stand up to scrutiny, problem is people like you snuff out any real investigations by refusing to accept the results. There is a huge catalog of all the contradictions on the very site I gave you and it's ALL cited from the bible, they made nothing up which is why I actually trust them more than your preachers: evilbible[dot]com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm
And there is no proof the bible was written when it claims it was written.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 It does stand up to scholarly scrutiny. You are wagering your eternity on a biased website, but it's better to do an unbiased investigation to see if even that website stands up to scrutiny. And even on it's homepage we see when it mentions Judges it is already wrong. A huge catalog does not mean it's accurate. it's designed for people who want easy answers.There is no doubt the prophecies of Jesus were written before His birth.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
Very well. Thanks it has been amusing.
Just a word of advice, there are countless religions invented by humans and most contradict each other. So it means that only one can be right, or none. After reviewing some of them and seeing how well they are designed to control people I just rejected the notion of religion, it's illogical to accept a religion. Exploiting people's childhood to convince them of a false belief is a practice since time immemorial.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 You'r right. Faith by itself doesn't prove something is right. The alternative evolution fails by the standards that evolution has set for it, even though on the fringes there are those who say it's proven. It's something for you to investigate. As for me I'm continually fascinated by developments which continue to support the Bible. And the prophecies occurring today are not a product of internet because very young before the web I knew and waited for them to occur. I'm still amazed.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
So you also don't accept evolution? Well then it is truly a waste of time. Without understanding evolution biology is next to useless. And a very simple example which most people experience are antibiotics, ever heard of the bacteria getting resistant? Well its because they evolve to resist the antibiotic right before your eyes. Rejecting evolution when there is so much evidence for it is truly pitiful. Enough said, enjoy your delusions.
neurel111 1 year ago
@MayonR And in no way am I implying he didn't believe in evolution but he has been quite candid at times. "There were no human witnesses to the origin of the Universe, the origin of life or the origin of a single living thing. These were unique, unrepeatable events of the past that cannot be observed in nature or repeated in the laboratory. Thus neither creation nor evolution qualifies as a scientific theory and each is equally religious." I tend to agree with him there.
MayonR 1 year ago
@neurel111 And you can't tell me that my understanding is due to what preachers told me because at age 14 is when I noticed it the Old testament was a reciprocal of the New Testament, through reading it. How can all these facts exist all together without the finger of God. There is no book in the world that has accomplished this.
MayonR 1 year ago
in fact ex evolutionary scientist Walter Veith did an investigation on the book of Daniel which was without doubt written before any of it's claims occurred according to all scholars.He checked history and it stood up to amazing accuracy. Lee Strobel award-winning legal editor of The Chicago Tribune is another. People who have set out to disprove it became Christians over and over through scholarly work. Go ahead and trust a website if you like.
MayonR 1 year ago
What you described is a process of adaptation not macro evolution. It is not a stage of transition between classes. Like I said it fails by it's own standards. Sir Karl Popper regarded as the best known philosopher of science, an evolutionist himself"I have come to the conclusion that Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme—a possible framework for testable scientific theories." Even the fossil record is never used as proof.
MayonR 1 year ago
@MayonR
You will that the vast majority of biologists accept evolution. It is a well established theory.
Arguing against it is futile.
Where did dogs come from? They evolved from wolves. We forced that evolution but it is evolution. And once you allow that artificial selection is possible natural selection is likewise implied. Humans chose dogs they liked on some criteria, same with nature, the criteria being survival and reproduction. Look it up, don't quote some lone guy.
neurel111 1 year ago
@neurel111 As James Tour synthetic chemist said, that most scientist are to busy to make profound statements about evolution because they are to busy with their science.It is a very small minority that make statements like that. And dogs and wolves have been proven to share many genes, to the point that it's said the dog came from the wolf. Even poodles have innumerable wolf genes. Most of the breeding of dogs were done by humans and not naturally anyways.
MayonR 1 year ago
@neurel111 I suggest instead of listening to a website, to study and seek if there is any reasoning behind the superficial appearance. What would be the end result had we done it your way? Also you must understand that God is taking into account many steps ahead, in fact decades and centuries ahead. n fact He is taking into account the final plan. Not just that initial moment you are looking at. Thats why it's best to trust God.
MayonR 1 year ago
Whilst I can understand nonbelievers who post unpleasantries on this forum, I must say I don't think it's understandable how believers who have found faith & love in Christ can rebuke others with unnecessary words. Harsh? Perhaps. The truth can sometimes be harsh.
On the other hand, "moron", "pimple on Ravi's ass" are not quite as palatable. I feel very anguished by "God-hating" comments as well, but perhaps let us try to abtain from using such unloving language.
flipflopflyin 1 year ago
dont cast your pearls on swine in other words u dont need to argue with these ppl just let them be turn the other cheek
lrel777 1 year ago
0:50 haha ravi got punked.
macro312 1 year ago
Yeh OK and You atheists and non-believers really have all the accurate answers.
The big bang theory makes as much sense as a random explosion in a library and every book on the shelf was created from that. Really intellectual
anchovyangel 1 year ago
@anchovyangel
pretty sure when you over simplify things to that degree....religion starts playing their games. and do you even read what you write!? Big band didn't happen in a library...
macro312 1 year ago
@macro312 Did you read what you wrote "big band" The library was an analogy.
I have nothing else to say but will let the Bible do the talking. Hebrews 3:7-19
anchovyangel 1 year ago
@anchovyangel
I can admit i don't read what i type. haha So if you want the bible to talk for you....hmmmm Creationist got their asses handed back to them by science because the "bible" talked for them......I'd say fuck Christianity with their hypocritical actions.
macro312 1 year ago
@macro312 "Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says Today if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts...'they always go astray in their heart; and they did not know my ways'; as I swore in my wrath, 'They shall not enter my rest.'" Take care, brethren, lest there should be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart, in falling away from the living God
anchovyangel 1 year ago
I gave up arguing with idiots years ago: I would not buy this idiots book, nor could I ever agree with his position in this video - he's just plain wrong. When you take the position that the Bible is more than a collection of various/varying texts - a premeditated compilation - you're argument for revelation and relevance becomes idiotic. There are many educated people who give a good talk - but their education is barren of common sense, or rational introspection and wisdom.
milackk7 1 year ago
The more you read the bible, the less you believe.
tubetib 1 year ago
@Reerrpad5515 hey man.....my advice is to play this several times until you understand what he is saying....he is having a really intellectual conversation here and it could take some time to fully understand what he is saying...not an insult..just the truth
nattyd50 1 year ago
@nattyd50 Truth be told, I have heard his audiobooks, several times. My sister loves this guy, thinks he flies no lies and is a direct line to the divine. His arguments just don't hold water, as evidenced by the fact that his toughest opponent was a fictional college student he created out of thin air as a strawman. Hes an ardent opponent of atheists, Nietzsche, and facts, and God help reality if it gets in his way.
There are better scholars, check out his ACTUAL education, hes a Hovind.
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
I don't think it's a good reason to believe something "just because it doesn't contradict itself". I mean most novels don't contradict themselves and we don't believe them for truth.
I would much rather believe something based on evidence rather than because it's not overtly inaccurate.
Just because Christ, at a probability of 99.6% exists doesn't mean he's divine either. Michael Jackson had a higher chance of existing and he's certainly not divine.
Encryptsan 1 year ago
This man is just brilliant. a warrior
aa3gunner 1 year ago
@aa3gunner No, he is a liar and a fraud. He is the equivalent of a car salesman for theism. He continuously misrepresents his actual education, his actual status in the academic world, and the actual science he was taught and is fully aware of. He is the latest version of Kent Hovind, and the weakness of his arguments is betrayed by his refusal to debate anyone but sophomore college students.
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
@Reerrpad5515: you're funny, you know that? Yeah he' debated lots of philosophers and thinkers. i've seen him on TV and listened to him many times on the radio. You just can't accept the fact that this man's flow of thought, brilliant illustrations and flow of logic kicks the asses of people like you.
It angers and irritates you to listen to him because deep inside you know that what he speaks is true and accurate. It's ok. Everyone is free to choose to stay lost. I just feel sorry for you.
aa3gunner 1 year ago
@aa3gunner Who has he debated? When? Christian talk show hosts don't count as debate opponents.
It angers and irritates me when I listen to him because I can pick out the false logic, fake science, straw men, red herrings, etc. My sister is a hardcore Christian, and I hate that she is taken in by this con man. If you have a sister who's taken in by the nonsensical preachments of a car salesman who is basically ripping her off, would you get a little angry as well? Or is that OK too.
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
@Reerrpad5515 Be happy because your sister has been saved
the1qb 1 year ago
@the1qb aka bought a shitty car for too much money? Yeah, SUPER GLAD THX!
Did you read my post? Has anyone answered with someone he has debated? Has he done anything but laugh at college students and talk circles around himself?
If he was preaching the exact same thing, but instead of Jeebus, he was praising Allah, you would all be less than convinced. How is that not obvious to any of you? How deep is that hole you have your heads buried in?
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
@Reerrpad5515 He couldn't make the same arguments about islam or judaism because they aren't true. The reason he is able to make such beautifully worded assertions is because the base that he is working off of is whole heartedly true that's why the best apologetics are christian.
the1qb 1 year ago
@the1qb So the hole is pretty deep, then? Hows Alice doing?
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
Makes the assumption the various pieces of the bible were written at given times, there is no proof when they were written.
RoXur777 1 year ago
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ReligionOrTruth 2 years ago
humans are not perfect no matter perfect you think you may be, so we are all sinners, so we need GOD, who is perfect.
PakDaeHan 2 years ago
@PakDaeHan well first, one should bring good evidence that a god even exists. my oh my how religious people are brain-washed and they dont even realize it.
DANgerKim 1 year ago
@DANgerKim think about who's really brain washed... and who really disregards reality and truth!! the atheist is the one who comes up with a false reality so he can believe what he wants. Has science ever proven that something comes from nothing???
moreofYOU 1 year ago
@moreofYOU. technically, nothing is really PROVEN. I'm not saying that there is no possibility that doesnt exist, what i am saying is that there isnt sufficient evidence, religious people have a hard time even showing good evidence that the bible is truly credible. As for your last question, have you heard of the quantum uncertainty principle?
DANgerKim 1 year ago
@DANgerKim idk where you get your info from but the Bible has been proven over and over again... not only with prophecy but with geography and science. This book stands the test of time and critics
moreofYOU 1 year ago
@moreofYOU the bible has never been proven. there is no evidence for its truth. but maybe you can explain to me how its true through science and geography because i believe there to be more evidence for evolution sir.
DANgerKim 1 year ago
@DANgerKim sure id love to... first off scientifically the bible makes the claim of the earth being round and the earth revolving around the the sun not the other way around... oh and this was all before it was people believed it. secondly God gave the jewish nation laws on what they should eat and on and on all that to say that the jewish people have never suffered any major plague because all the laws were there for their protection against disease... some of these laws weren't understood...
moreofYOU 1 year ago
until modern science showed that there were heath benefits... there are also historic claims that the skeptics try to debunk the bible such as Nebuchadnezzar taking articles from the jewish temple and using them for his worship... they say that that never happened. then they were excavating in Babylon and found writings documenting such practices... there are many more reasons why i believe in the Bible and God if you really want to discuss it message me
moreofYOU 1 year ago
@moreofYOU If you have more reasons, do share, this is entertaining.
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
@moreofYOU The passage in Isaiah about the earth being round comes a millenia or two after the ancient Egyptians postulated a circular earth, a theory defended by Pythagoras around 500 BC. The bible's use of this information is less than impressive. Oh, and Job 38:13 "That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?"
Black Plague ring a bell? I don't think shellfish really counts as a cause of that one.
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
@DANgerKim: Many scientific facts were written in the Bible thousands of years before science has confirmed them. the book of Leviticus says "The life of the flesh is in the blood". People figured that out just 200 years ago. George Washington died of blood letting. The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. "When He imparted weight to the wind and meted out the waters by measure" [Job 28:25]
aa3gunner 1 year ago
@aa3gunner Once again, this is not insight which requires divine inspiration. One person bleeding to death in war-torn Mesopotamia would give rise to this passage.
The fact that air has weight can be discovered by living in the desert for all of 5 minutes. One solid gust of wind pushing at you belies the requirement of scientific measurement for verification. Its obviously got weight, how else could it push you?
This selective quote-mining proves nothing. Better luck next time.
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
@DANgerKim its hard to prove God but there's no doubt about knowing him personally.
Martyr022 1 year ago
@DANgerKim Solomon described a "cycle" of air currents two thousand years before scientists "discovered" them. "The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits" (Ecclesiastes 1:6).
Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the "things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
aa3gunner 1 year ago
@aa3gunner Wind coming from the north, then the south, then the north would logically entail it moving on a circuit. This is not genius, its common sense, even 2000 years ago.
The entire quote is "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear" Thats not atoms, thats God making the worlds. Atoms were postulated by Lucretius in De Rerum Natura, which is not considered divinely inspired.
Reerrpad5515 1 year ago
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servantofYAHW 2 years ago
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Go ahead guys I'm making more and more video's debunking Ravi's ass. 1 thumb my comments. I dont mind! Unless you've got something to say!
bananabread119 2 years ago
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because Ravi is paid well & his a comedian, oh mean a scholar that believe in theories he tries 2 get others 2 have as much conviction as he has in his theories, cause even he can admitt there is a % of truth he can not prove, but will die trying 2 explain & compare other faiths 2 prove his thoery correct, & that's still doesn't prove his right, it does when him fans & a continuing job traveling talking with earger followers.
mysanitysgone 2 years ago
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I made a video Debunking many of his claims, and am making many more. He whent to Trinity University. Its a bible collage. Its ran by an Agnostic church. It first started out as a 10week bible camp. But is now a University. He recieved his M.D from there.
My first question to him would be.
How does it feel to be in a real collage.
bananabread119 2 years ago
You made crap - you can't even spell "college" correctly you lousy God-Hating moron.
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where24happens 2 years ago
DId Pablo mispell " miss used" also,
or was that another demonstration of art form?
afar1 2 years ago
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1 little typo, and Im suddenly a moron. Lol
Well just to let you know. Collage is actually not a misspelled word. It was just misused.
Collage is a form of visual arts. Made from an assemblage of different forms, thus creating a new whole.
Pablo Picasso made this art form very famous.
So in closing. Go fuck yourself... haha
bananabread119 2 years ago
Oh I see now, "How does it feel to be in a real collage," as opposed to "college."
Still makes you a moron compared to chimps any way you cut it. You're a pimple on Ravi's ass.
afar1 2 years ago
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Im more like a dick up his ass.
and yours...
bananabread119 2 years ago
@afar1 Oi, shut up you. You are a hypocritical "Christian". Leave Him alone.
Wilkins777 2 years ago
@afar1 "1 Corinthians 13 1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing. "
bubbawubker 1 year ago
Great video!!!!
TheLORDismySheperd1 2 years ago 2
there are 73 books in the Real Bible, not 66. =-)
Fire4Christ08 2 years ago
depends on whether or not you believe they're inspired.there are many other books that are not in the Bible, like the book of Enoch,even the book of Adam and Eve and the Testaments of the 12 patriarchs of Israel, which may or may not be written by the real authors.
formerutuber 2 years ago
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dabonk 2 years ago
The Apocrypha were formally canonized by the Roman Catholic 'Church' on April 8, 1546 A.D. at the Council of Trent.
It was a later addition to the originally selected books for the bible. One would need to then ask themselves why weren't those books originally included.
dabonk 2 years ago
Actually, what I notice is a man asking a real important question and then showing respect afterwards.
That is rare in this society.
Let us suppose that Ravi had a stupid answer. Do you think people would be polite? Life is better when people show respect and are polite.
Just ask the young women in Pakistan who have acid splashed on their face if they would rather have people who are polite and respectful in their lands.
ABAisSCIENCE 3 years ago 2
iam totaly felli'n' ma hom boi RAVI here lol
yeah God bless you all WOOOOOOOOOOO
L0VEN3SS 3 years ago 2
I totally agree with what Ravi Zacharias said. God is true and His word is the truth. Proven.
chrisRamos1979 3 years ago 3
This guy is awesome!! You go Ravi...
broj8s8n79 3 years ago 5
some people simply dont want there to be a God. You sometimes hear lots of talk about being rational and logical... but you have folks with a personal (and VERY EMOTIONAL ) agenda, concrning why they reject the idea of a God.
I think Atheists are the ones with the emotional irrational agenda when it comes to skeptics; becouse it isnt rational to totaly refuse to even consider the idea of a posible higher intelligence. Thats rubbish.
Now...the AGNOSTIC on the other hand. Atleast hes reasonable.
fallenwillrise 3 years ago
Well said.
RationalTheism 3 years ago
i agree. couldnt have said it better. its not a psychological issue nor a intellectual issue, its more of a moral issue.
toucheyang 3 years ago
I really like this video. I knew it a along!
Good work Oallos1!
magie19475 3 years ago
ohhh - this is my town - i love it ! thats the hall that celebrated my graduation.
binsbai 3 years ago
Hmmm... I didn't get the answer for the question. It's all water.
And he was talking about muslims for a while, but didn't make connections. So aren't muslims right when they say what they say?
Unfortunately, as always, the answers of christian scholars leave a lot to be desired
Bayramjyk 3 years ago
he gave examples of fulfilled prophecy, prophecy that covers western history and textual evidence of a preserved message. if you dont want to believe it, fine. but thats a great synopsis in under 7 minutes.
snappa52 3 years ago
What were you looking for? What words does he have to use to convince you of the philisophical, physical, historical, and existential accuracy of the Bible?
Goohuman 3 years ago
awesome explanation
Christ is awesome
canunotg 3 years ago 2