Thank you. Because JKD is a street defense art and not a sport , we put our strong side forward. So if you are right handed, you take a southpaw stance, if you are left handed, you take a traditional stance.
Thanks for sharing...I learned this technique in Tae Kwon do 20 years ago...it's used in competition to go under a kick that is directed at your face...Good observation
Thank you. We do a similar kick to one you described called a cut kick. When an opponent kicks high with their rear leg, you kick their planted leg out from underneath them.
sorry, it was one of my first vids. I have some better lights now. if you are using a laptop, try tilting the screen until the pic is clearer. Check out my new vids., search jkdcollege here on youtube
I don't recall jkd frowning down on kicks above the waist but wing chung does jkd favors formlessness so that it can assume all forms and since jkd has no style it can fit in with all styles as a result jkd utilizes all ways and is bound by none and likewise uses any techniques or means which serve it's end
Bruce Lee taught us to not kick above the waist, it is documented in his writings and by his students. However, notice how we used the words "frown upon" instead of "prohibits" or "forbids". There are no set rules in JKD once you reach the 3rd stage of cultivation. I personally, use high kicks while sparring, but would be weary of using one on the street. High kicks take a lot of energy and leave you vulnerable for a takedown.
Number 1, If you listened to the video this kick is a variation of one done by Saekson Janjira, former Lumpai stadium champ.Number two, I use to fight thai boxing and you smash your shins into knees and elbows regardless. Number three, even though this kick is demonstrated a little higher, in JKD we frown on kicking above the waist anyway, so you shouldn't run into that problem..
now that's gonna hurt real bad when you catch an elbow with that kind of angle..the reason that round thai kick is done by lifting your knee as high as possible is because to avoid striking elbow and hurting yourself in the process..especially when your shin bone is not conditioned..
I know Vince Riamondi has a friend who teaches JKD out of a ATA school near Phoenix, let me check into it. Also, Raf Figueroa under Sifu Pat Strong lives in Phoenix If you would like to meet him shoot me an email.
Watching this video again, I think I have found the answer . I wanted the power of the muay thai kick with the speed of a JKD kick. Basically, all I had to do was kick with the shin while standing 45 degree towards the opponent. This is the source of power for Muay Thai kicks.. For the speed and less telegraph, I used the Jkd style, going straight up and then over. I think this is a very good kick. Combines the speed of a jkd kick with the power of a muay thai kick using Bruce's philosophy.
The speed and technical element are built in thanks to Lee. Getting power requires a lot of practice and 1000's of repetitions. While it might never be as hard as the Thai kick, because the Thai kick has more room to travel and generate power. But, the Thai kick is very telegraphed. The JKD hook kick is closer to the target, twice as fast, and non-telegraphic, and can be almost as hard. The guys I work out with can, and will, use both kicks when needed.
A horizontal punch will allow you to hit with the bottom 3 knuckles and should help to prevent damaging your hands as much hitting someone barehanded to their head. As for why you don't see that in NHB\K-1, I would say it's due to keeping your hands high to block the impending wild ass hooks they always end up doing. A horizontal punch means your elbow is in tight to the body and your going to have issues blocking a power hook.
The Vertical punches seem to work better for me. When I punch the penetration is better it feels like a flick at the same time but still powerful. The horizontal fist just doesn't work for me. Only time I use the Horizontal is when I hit to the body. The diagonal fist is great too.
Well this isn't the proper forum for such a discussion. Email me directly or even better re-post your question on the JKD Wed nite group forum. But in short, simple most MMA, K-1 guys come from a Thai Boxing point of view and a horizontal fist is what they are taught. And they don't experiment, question, or try to punch in a different manner.
Tanks for this turtorial. I am really interessted in applying different kicks and punches from any form of martial arts to my arsenal. So Bruce Lee his philosophy that there is no ultimate fighting style, really inspired me to be a more complete fighter. My question to you is do you have/or can you make a tutorial of Bruce Lee his way of hook puches, because they are fast and look really powerfull.
Actually, a diagonal fist is the best because the bones are much better aligned. You're still hitting with the bottom 3 knuckles, your wrist is still in a strong position, your elbow and your body is still in a good position. The vertical fist frankly sucks unless you're at extremely close trapping range. But trying to throw vertical jabs and crosses is useless. I've done many experiments with all the angles bareknuckle and with gloves. Diagonal is best. To the body, use horizontal.
is it possible to create the same type of power with your "power-side" to the back... in a more traditional orthadox stance. Not only with this particular kick, but Jun Fan's JKD in general.
Yes, anytime you are kicking from the rear leg, the power should be greater as it has more room to travel to the target and thus more time to gather momentum. We try to train our front leg kicks to be just as powerful as our rear leg kicks, because the front leg is closer and twice as fast. Enjoy, more vids to follow soon.
Haven't seen feitosa yet, but I really enjoy watching K-1 one again. Especially the lightweights, good and entertaining fights. How about Badr Hari's spinning heel kick knockout on Stephan Leko? That was brutual and wickedly talented.
Nothing new though. Been doing that for a while now. I guess what it really boils down to is telegraphing. If you can be non telegraphic and add maximum power and efficiency, then you're golden.
Great job, there's always something to learn from other dedicated martial artists.
Sorry, this is nothing new or revolutionary, though I do agree that it's effective. I studied JKD at the Inosanto Academy starting in 1998 and we've always done the o'ou tek (hook kick) on a diagonal line.
I'm not an expert on this stuff, so I tend to rate the effectiveness of a technique by asking myself how much I would like to get hit by it. I would not want to get hit by any of your kicks. Both the original and modified hook kicks you displayed are fast, explosive and clearly damaging. I decided I would train mainly my punches, but after seeing this it may be worth thinking about using kicks in real situations. Any tips on how to train to develop power with my hips? Great video.
The only problem I have with the straight to target kick is that there is a tendency to get your shins wrecked on knees and elbows when you throw it. I used to use this delivery alot as it is quick but I stopped after nearly breaking my tibia on some guy's knee.
TO ALL OF THE POST CONCERNING "SHINS HITTING ELBOWS". While this kick is demoed high, it is really intended to be thrown below the waist. Remember, Bruce Lee frowned upon kicking higher than the waist anyway. If this kick is used for the thighs and knee's, there is no danger of hitting elbows. But thank you all for your interest.
I agree it has been around for a while as it has been a big part of my Taekwondo and Muay Thai training. Bas Rutten, master striker, said be careful with this 45 degree, kick as you can hit your opponents elbow with your instep. Be careful of those who can block your kick with an elbow or defang it. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
Louis I can see that the time spent at the W.N.G. was time well spent. Your understanding of the J.K.D. principals is very good. KEEP BLASTING MY J.K.D. BROTHER
There really aren't any new techniques left. We call it new because we don't know of any 1st or 2nd generation JKD intstructors who teach it. Thanks for your input.
yeah, it's probably new to jkd but it's been around muay thai. The 45 degree kick is design for the liver. the way it's angle goes under the elbow and hits the liver. The 45 degree kick is usually not aimed at the head because the opponents elbow is in the way. The thais prefer the power roundhouse because it goes over the shoulder and down chopping the neck and head. The faster muay thai kick you're talking about is just a faster version without full torch. Similar to a hook and a wide swing.
its a good kick fast and hard, the idea of leading with the knee in JKD is that you can change into a stop kick inside or outside hook kick or even drop into a lead punch. You never know what tool you need till you see the energy your opponent uses, if everyrthing starts the same you only need to train one start....just a thought
Have you seen how fast this kick this.? It would be extremely difficult to change the direction in mid execution. I believe the leading with the knee was to hide the type of kick thrown, ie. the oblique, hook, groin, straight and sidekick all start and stop on the same line. This is to confuse your opponent and keep them guessing as to which kick is next. Other arts have a distinct telegraph for some of their different kicks, ie. cross stepping prior to a sidekick. That's my take anyway...
dude are you a southpaw? awesome video!
sdurgefafd 6 months ago
@sdurgefafd
Thank you. Because JKD is a street defense art and not a sport , we put our strong side forward. So if you are right handed, you take a southpaw stance, if you are left handed, you take a traditional stance.
Cheers!
EB
idahojkdclub 6 months ago
Thanks for sharing...I learned this technique in Tae Kwon do 20 years ago...it's used in competition to go under a kick that is directed at your face...Good observation
whitechun1 6 months ago
@whitechun1
Thank you. We do a similar kick to one you described called a cut kick. When an opponent kicks high with their rear leg, you kick their planted leg out from underneath them.
idahojkdclub 6 months ago
This is a kick. It is this mans personal invention deriving from the JKD philosophy, but it is not what BL was doing.
CountVonBrink 7 months ago
No, That's Eric Boucher, my training partener and friend.- Louie Berard
louieberard1 8 months ago
@idahojkdclub would you happen to be sifu louis berard by any chance ?
swagermacker 11 months ago
quality kicks
xenafan40 11 months ago
Thats a knock out kick, and one of the best hook kicks I have seen. much more effiecent.
mysticpiggyx 1 year ago
Can you turn on the lights I can't see anything in there.
Haywood2 1 year ago
@Haywood2
sorry, it was one of my first vids. I have some better lights now. if you are using a laptop, try tilting the screen until the pic is clearer. Check out my new vids., search jkdcollege here on youtube
idahojkdclub 1 year ago
I don't recall jkd frowning down on kicks above the waist but wing chung does jkd favors formlessness so that it can assume all forms and since jkd has no style it can fit in with all styles as a result jkd utilizes all ways and is bound by none and likewise uses any techniques or means which serve it's end
swagermacker 1 year ago
@swagermacker
Bruce Lee taught us to not kick above the waist, it is documented in his writings and by his students. However, notice how we used the words "frown upon" instead of "prohibits" or "forbids". There are no set rules in JKD once you reach the 3rd stage of cultivation. I personally, use high kicks while sparring, but would be weary of using one on the street. High kicks take a lot of energy and leave you vulnerable for a takedown.
idahojkdclub 1 year ago
@idahojkdclub
Also, this particular kick is designed to be thrown below the waist.
idahojkdclub 1 year ago
Number 1, If you listened to the video this kick is a variation of one done by Saekson Janjira, former Lumpai stadium champ.Number two, I use to fight thai boxing and you smash your shins into knees and elbows regardless. Number three, even though this kick is demonstrated a little higher, in JKD we frown on kicking above the waist anyway, so you shouldn't run into that problem..
louieberard1 1 year ago
now that's gonna hurt real bad when you catch an elbow with that kind of angle..the reason that round thai kick is done by lifting your knee as high as possible is because to avoid striking elbow and hurting yourself in the process..especially when your shin bone is not conditioned..
fund4ment 1 year ago
Great vid and cool variation on the kick. Any representation out in AZ?
yam831 1 year ago
@yam831
I know Vince Riamondi has a friend who teaches JKD out of a ATA school near Phoenix, let me check into it. Also, Raf Figueroa under Sifu Pat Strong lives in Phoenix If you would like to meet him shoot me an email.
idahojkdclub 1 year ago
TKD's round house are better and the best the back kick
aquin520 1 year ago
@aquin520
You're right, TKD's roundhouse is deadly, while my hook kick just stings a little.
idahojkdclub 1 year ago
Wow Louies kick is tremendous i dont know who kicks harder him or jeremy
interceptingfist1 1 year ago
@interceptingfist1
While they both kick very hard, everybody from the WNG knows tha Jeremy kicks the hardest! Louis though, has better boxing though, but by not much.
idahojkdclub 1 year ago
u rock dude!! what bout the straight punch? mind if u demonstratea and go over the straight punch from JKD?
joetheazl 1 year ago
Watching this video again, I think I have found the answer . I wanted the power of the muay thai kick with the speed of a JKD kick. Basically, all I had to do was kick with the shin while standing 45 degree towards the opponent. This is the source of power for Muay Thai kicks.. For the speed and less telegraph, I used the Jkd style, going straight up and then over. I think this is a very good kick. Combines the speed of a jkd kick with the power of a muay thai kick using Bruce's philosophy.
GetDamage 2 years ago
Shit that was hard your kick!!! and fast!
unwawbl 2 years ago
Well making a jkd hook kick as hard as a thai kick, requires alot of speed, and technical element.
unwawbl 2 years ago
The speed and technical element are built in thanks to Lee. Getting power requires a lot of practice and 1000's of repetitions. While it might never be as hard as the Thai kick, because the Thai kick has more room to travel and generate power. But, the Thai kick is very telegraphed. The JKD hook kick is closer to the target, twice as fast, and non-telegraphic, and can be almost as hard. The guys I work out with can, and will, use both kicks when needed.
idahojkdclub 2 years ago
A horizontal punch will allow you to hit with the bottom 3 knuckles and should help to prevent damaging your hands as much hitting someone barehanded to their head. As for why you don't see that in NHB\K-1, I would say it's due to keeping your hands high to block the impending wild ass hooks they always end up doing. A horizontal punch means your elbow is in tight to the body and your going to have issues blocking a power hook.
Jahawk3577 2 years ago
The Vertical punches seem to work better for me. When I punch the penetration is better it feels like a flick at the same time but still powerful. The horizontal fist just doesn't work for me. Only time I use the Horizontal is when I hit to the body. The diagonal fist is great too.
WestSideCoolidge 2 years ago
How come no one in NHB type fights or K1 use a vertical fist punch.?
1ToNJaB 2 years ago
Well this isn't the proper forum for such a discussion. Email me directly or even better re-post your question on the JKD Wed nite group forum. But in short, simple most MMA, K-1 guys come from a Thai Boxing point of view and a horizontal fist is what they are taught. And they don't experiment, question, or try to punch in a different manner.
idahojkdclub 2 years ago
Tanks for this turtorial. I am really interessted in applying different kicks and punches from any form of martial arts to my arsenal. So Bruce Lee his philosophy that there is no ultimate fighting style, really inspired me to be a more complete fighter. My question to you is do you have/or can you make a tutorial of Bruce Lee his way of hook puches, because they are fast and look really powerfull.
Marlon213 2 years ago
Sure, I'll do a quick hook punch video soon as it is my most powerful punch too!
idahojkdclub 2 years ago
Actually, a diagonal fist is the best because the bones are much better aligned. You're still hitting with the bottom 3 knuckles, your wrist is still in a strong position, your elbow and your body is still in a good position. The vertical fist frankly sucks unless you're at extremely close trapping range. But trying to throw vertical jabs and crosses is useless. I've done many experiments with all the angles bareknuckle and with gloves. Diagonal is best. To the body, use horizontal.
hulkout666 2 years ago
Question....
is it possible to create the same type of power with your "power-side" to the back... in a more traditional orthadox stance. Not only with this particular kick, but Jun Fan's JKD in general.
Thanks for your opinion.
1ToNJaB 2 years ago
Yes, anytime you are kicking from the rear leg, the power should be greater as it has more room to travel to the target and thus more time to gather momentum. We try to train our front leg kicks to be just as powerful as our rear leg kicks, because the front leg is closer and twice as fast. Enjoy, more vids to follow soon.
EB
idahojkdclub 2 years ago
feitosa is trowing this kicks very often in k 1 fights
1landser 2 years ago
Haven't seen feitosa yet, but I really enjoy watching K-1 one again. Especially the lightweights, good and entertaining fights. How about Badr Hari's spinning heel kick knockout on Stephan Leko? That was brutual and wickedly talented.
idahojkdclub 2 years ago
Good Video.
Nothing new though. Been doing that for a while now. I guess what it really boils down to is telegraphing. If you can be non telegraphic and add maximum power and efficiency, then you're golden.
Great job, there's always something to learn from other dedicated martial artists.
JKDLIFER 2 years ago
Exactly, if you can be non telegraphic and still fast and powerful, who cares what art it is from or where you learned it! Thanks for the Kudos.
idahojkdclub 2 years ago
Sorry, this is nothing new or revolutionary, though I do agree that it's effective. I studied JKD at the Inosanto Academy starting in 1998 and we've always done the o'ou tek (hook kick) on a diagonal line.
pqnguyen 2 years ago
I'm not an expert on this stuff, so I tend to rate the effectiveness of a technique by asking myself how much I would like to get hit by it. I would not want to get hit by any of your kicks. Both the original and modified hook kicks you displayed are fast, explosive and clearly damaging. I decided I would train mainly my punches, but after seeing this it may be worth thinking about using kicks in real situations. Any tips on how to train to develop power with my hips? Great video.
FalseShadowx 2 years ago
The only problem I have with the straight to target kick is that there is a tendency to get your shins wrecked on knees and elbows when you throw it. I used to use this delivery alot as it is quick but I stopped after nearly breaking my tibia on some guy's knee.
-Max
Godsmasher22 2 years ago 2
TO ALL OF THE POST CONCERNING "SHINS HITTING ELBOWS". While this kick is demoed high, it is really intended to be thrown below the waist. Remember, Bruce Lee frowned upon kicking higher than the waist anyway. If this kick is used for the thighs and knee's, there is no danger of hitting elbows. But thank you all for your interest.
-EB
idahojkdclub 2 years ago
Louie, Good stuff!!! Very good stuff!!!
sifubrentlance 2 years ago
I agree it has been around for a while as it has been a big part of my Taekwondo and Muay Thai training. Bas Rutten, master striker, said be careful with this 45 degree, kick as you can hit your opponents elbow with your instep. Be careful of those who can block your kick with an elbow or defang it. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
pepbar 2 years ago
Thanks for the great vid! I'm going to go work on my hook kick now.
aliendisorder 2 years ago
great work man!!
keep it up....jkd rox!!
2006chrissy 3 years ago
What was wrong with your knee? Are you okay, now?
spadaydaga 3 years ago
Both of us have bad knees from playing hard (skateboarding) when young and are now getting old. Nothing major or new. Thanks for your concern.
idahojkdclub 3 years ago
Louis I can see that the time spent at the W.N.G. was time well spent. Your understanding of the J.K.D. principals is very good. KEEP BLASTING MY J.K.D. BROTHER
HARDSTOPHIT 3 years ago
There really aren't any new techniques left. We call it new because we don't know of any 1st or 2nd generation JKD intstructors who teach it. Thanks for your input.
idahojkdclub 3 years ago
yeah, it's probably new to jkd but it's been around muay thai. The 45 degree kick is design for the liver. the way it's angle goes under the elbow and hits the liver. The 45 degree kick is usually not aimed at the head because the opponents elbow is in the way. The thais prefer the power roundhouse because it goes over the shoulder and down chopping the neck and head. The faster muay thai kick you're talking about is just a faster version without full torch. Similar to a hook and a wide swing.
GetDamage 3 years ago
Wow! I could get a great sense of the efficiency and power in this vid. Thanks for showing us!
necronwarrior 3 years ago
its a good kick fast and hard, the idea of leading with the knee in JKD is that you can change into a stop kick inside or outside hook kick or even drop into a lead punch. You never know what tool you need till you see the energy your opponent uses, if everyrthing starts the same you only need to train one start....just a thought
jkdtrainee 3 years ago
Have you seen how fast this kick this.? It would be extremely difficult to change the direction in mid execution. I believe the leading with the knee was to hide the type of kick thrown, ie. the oblique, hook, groin, straight and sidekick all start and stop on the same line. This is to confuse your opponent and keep them guessing as to which kick is next. Other arts have a distinct telegraph for some of their different kicks, ie. cross stepping prior to a sidekick. That's my take anyway...
idahojkdclub 3 years ago
I agree
jkdtrainee 3 years ago
excellent job louis!
jacksonkerouac 3 years ago