100M Ben Johnson - Carl Lewis - Calvin Smith - ZURICH 1986

[nickt916]

dude how old is that white old man with a mustache? i might still have a chance!!!

[1365225]

So lets talk about Usain Bolt yeah he must be on something too. Did you think just because I am from Jamaica, I would not think he is taking something. Carl Lewis took drugs just like everyone else, but you want to believe he didn't.Could that be because your from America and not kenya and you just don't want to believe that carl is a drug cheat. Plus they covered up these facts, CARL LEWIS IS A DRUG CHEAT ONLY A FOOL LIKE YOU WOULD BELIEVE OTHERWISE.

[emy1968]

@1365225 absolutely right, carl lewis staff was much more politic protected than ben johnson, however many times i say ok guys, try to use something and run at 9.79, ben johnson was superior that's all...

[Juluka69]

@emy1968 So how come he could not come close to that time when he was clean ? True steroids will not make any Tom ,Dick and Harry run 9.79 but it will give more stamina to a good athlete and make him train longer, recover faster and ultimately ran faster for a longer period. Ben could run very well up to 60m without drugs but could not sustain it to 100m .

[rcaddict72]

@1365225 if you knew anything about stats and history then you'd know how to plot progression and superimpose drugs and testing which would give you insight into what is occurring. Its quite evident that the drug cloud has all but dissipated in sprints- the tell tale sign is the all round performance standards..the women are still some 30 years behind. does this mean only men are using?- of course not. Usain Bolt is a once in a lifetime freak.We havent had one now since jesse owens. perhaps ever

[Juluka69]

@1365225 really ? so what drug did he take ? a steroid and a stimulant are not the same thing. Carl "failed" a drug test for STIMULANTS which can be found in a simple asthma or cold medication. Ben on the other hand pumped himself with heavy doses of STEROIDS which make a huge difference in your performance as was proved when he was not on them. Don't see how where I come from matters here.

[Juluka69]

@1365225 Don't just state here Usain is on something, something you don't even know . PROVE to us he's on and lay your FACTS on the table and then may be I will take you seriously. Just blabbering everyone is on drugs won't do it mate.

[1365225]

@Juluka69 Still living in Kenya Yank.

[1365225]

Carl Lewis took drugs so did Flo Jo,only a fool cant see that.

[Juluka69]

@1365225 If you really believe ALL athletes take drugs, then PROVE to me USAIN BOLT is a cheat and lay your facts on the table or for ever hold your peace. Don't wait ten years after he's retired to make wild claims about his drug use, tell me NOW

[rcaddict72]

@1365225 im no fool and i saw carl's times in the 100m improve from a (wind adjusted) 10.00 to 9.90 over a period of 10 years of consistent competing and training..thats 0.01s per year. Yet i see others who passed their early 20s and still were nobodies- then all of a sudden improve by half a second with transformed physiques. So who is the fool?...those are the facts. what you are arguing is based on speculation and a complete misunderstanding of drugs, how they work and what they do.

[Juluka69]

@rcaddict72 Bravo man, I agree with you totally. Many are just jealous of Carl's achievements hence the bad mouthing .

[Juluka69]

Guys guys, let's be respectful and avoid this gross and insulting language agnst. each other, weather Carl used steroids or not is not that important now, he's retired and his records have been handed over to others and anyway none of us can really prove it. Let's concentrate on the CURRENT crop of athletes and let bygones be just that. Both Carl and Ben were great athletes who brought us a lot of joy and happiness. Let' remember them that way.

[smiffer71]

@Juluka69 Dr Wade Exum of the us olympic committee revelaed that 100's of the top american athletes failed, he gave sports illustrated the list. Carl Lewis has subseqently admitted to failing 3 drug tests in the us olympic trials for the 88 olympics but it was covered up. To be fair he was one of many americans (and other nationalities)

[Juluka69]

@smiffer71 my big problem with guys like Dr. Wade is that they wait ten years to make their wild claims. They would have much more credibility had he talked then when an independent test would then be done to prove his allegations otherwise officially as per IAAF records, Carl Lewis was clean and would you kindly remind when and where did Carl admit drug use ? That's just not possible, any admittance of drug use would mean he returns all his medals like Marion had to.

[1365225]

@Juluka69 Carl Lewis clean yeah right, just like Flo Jo was clean. HA HA HA HA HA HA

[Juluka69]

@1365225 ha ha ha, so why hasn't he dropped dead suddenly like Flo Jo ? ha ha ha. Let's understand one thing guys, failing a drugs test does not mean you used performance enhancing drugs, you could fail a test by taking a simple over the counter cold remedy with ephedrine for example and that's why every case has to taken on it's merits. Am sure if Carl took Nandrolone, Stanozolol and the likes as Ben did, he'd have been banned likewise.

[1365225]

@Juluka69 Carl Lewis took drugs just like most sports stars have done  if you really believe he was clean. It just goes to show how blind stupid you are.

[Juluka69]

@1365225 And I guess you were with him when he took them right, let me guess you actually administered them to him personally or how else can you be so sure. And then you also paid the IAAF to keep quiet about it till you are ready to spill the beans now, bingo. Am sure the IAAF would love to hear from you.

[1365225]

@Juluka69 Why don't you speak too Dr Wade, I forgot you think he is also lying.

[1365225]

@Juluka69 Also why don't you watch the documentary called bigger stronger faster. And it will tell you why drug cheat Carl Lewis got away with cheating.

[Juluka69]

@1365225 Don't tell me you belong to that school of thought that everything written or claimed in a documentary is true. Never take anything you read or hear at face value and guys guys, what does it matter weather Carl used drugs or not now ? Is it really relevant as we stand ? Whatever happened in the past is behind us and officially he wasn't caught so let's move on. It would concern me much more if someone can prove to me NOW that USAIN BOLT for example is not clean.

[1365225]

@Juluka69 Who's was talking about Usain Bolt we are talking about drug cheat Carl Lewis. And how do you know that Carl didn't take drugs did you know him or something, Carl Lewis took drugs he just didn't get caught like Ben Johnson. And it is relevant because Carl would like the world to think he was drug clean, and he clearly wasn't like Flo Jo. Carl Lewis was a drug cheat.

[Juluka69]

@1365225 Since you firmly believe EVERYONE takes drugs why don't you tell us about Usain ? he's an athlete is he not ? It's not that I know for sure Carl was clean, my point is that neither can you be so sure he did take drugs so let's just chill out. If you knew anything about steroids you'd know that certain symptoms occur with use, seen any on Carl ? We saw them in Johnson and Flo. Temper, yellow eyes, reduced muscle bulk after use and so on. If U blve Carl was a cheat, PROVE it....

[rcaddict72]

@Juluka69 err, sorry, you are wrong about the tell tale signs. there are virilising for women yes, and easier to tell, but they are almost impossible to tell in men. Its only evident at certain doses and on certain types, and the "yellowing" was media beat up on BJ. Ben made a huge mistake in the type and duration and doses he used. If others had done the same, they too would be flying sub 9.8s 100m. Carl was detected for a stimulant only. The effect compared to steroids is negligible.

[rcaddict72]

@1365225 that documentary is blatant justification of steroid use and made for the masses that believe they should be able to do what they want to their own bodies- whilst disregarding the consequences. Its convenient propaganda at its best. It obviously works as you arent the first ive seen refer to it as basis of their argument- instead of well thought out argument with specific examples, trends and correlation of variables.

[Juluka69]

@1365225 Hi, tried to check out the documentary but can not quite raise it. What exactly should i type in on Youtube ? would like to hear exactly what he said

[Juluka69]

@1365225 So please tell us who else was on drugs and never got caught, apart from you too that is....

[PacoZola]

@Juluka69 Yes lewis admitted in 2003. Watch "bigger faster stronger" here on youtube there he says is it again and even has the nerve to not care about it. he doesnt feel responsible for it because its in his past.

[monsieurskippy]

lewis m'inssuporte !

[theedge65]

Carl tested positive for amphetamines at the 1988 Olympic trials and was initially given a six month ban (in secret) by USATF, which was later reversed (secretly again). He also bailed on the Pan Am's in 1982 when everyone was getting caught. Quit pipe dreaming that the top guys are clean. Carl was a great athlete, but he was no Ben in the 100m.

[Juluka69]

@theedge65 Show me the PROOF not some third rate article written by some third rate guy looking for publicity. Why would they be secretive with Carl and not anyone else ? Many were just jealous of his success and turned to such articles when no proof could be found...Never ever believe wholesale whatever you read or hear I tell you as a journalist.

[Juluka69]

@theedge65 Amphetamines are taken daily by all in any cold remedy that you can find easily over the counter. It's by no means a performance enhancing substance like anabolic steroids, big difference. Any time you can prove how the substance got into your body, you could be excused and that's what happened.

[rcaddict72]

@theedge65 thats right..Carl was a hit and world class sprinter as soon as he finished growing whilst ben was a 10.2-10.3 runner barely able to make the finals in canada...he certainly was no BJ. Unfort bailing on a comp isnt proof- otherwise Jeter would be banned for life already. The problem isnt a carl defence thing- its an inability of people to construct rational argument based on facts. im pretty much over trying to explain it.

[rcaddict72]

lots of naivety in the comments here- its not unusual though as YT has loads of half informed viewers with more opinions than facts. im not disputing that guys . steroids arent all the same. some yield massive results, others very subtle. then theres dosage. real benefit can be had from using high androgen PEDs right up to the contest day. Chances are youll get caught though. To put Carl's usage in the same light as Ben's is analogous to comparing a car crash and 9/11.

[silexent]

Compare the physiques of ALL of the top guys in this race (Johnson, Lewis, Smith, Christie) with their physiques in the 1988 Olympic final (just search for it!). They are ALL toothpicks in this video. They were ALL on the nitro by Seoul. Johnson and Lewis look like children here, look at their legs and shoulders. Smith looks like he's starving. And then two years later, they ALL look like horses. Judge for yourself. Compare legs; shoulders; etc.

[rcaddict72]

@silexent hey clown boy. this video is reproduced in the wrong aspect ratio. thats why they look skinny. i have the video of this race and they look more or less the same as they do in Seoul.

[silexent]

@rcaddict72 Hey sword swallower. Aspect ratio. Riiiiiiiight. Are you Victor Conte?

[CerebralPrince10]

WHITE GUY IN LANE 4!!!

[carolyinaisvini]

then name one, enlighten me......i will do the necessary checking & agree to ur statement of informing me that my statement is a naive one :)

[MrMasahan]

Ｂ・ジョンソンの有頂天の始まりだな

[carolyinaisvini]

to all those commented on big ben's downfall era (the negative ones) - one Q for all f u - can u name one sportsman from any field that has nt taken prohibited drugs / enhancement for their performance in d sports that they are involved? u will neva know d feel till u r on the arena?? bt that does nt mean that am supporting what big ben did, let the man live - he is a legend.

[narutorox85]

@carolyinaisvini I can name a lot of people, actually. It's very naive to claim that every professional athlete is on some kind of drug.

[fabbb59]

@abzoolute "the green runner"... u've never heard about lindford christie?? world and olympic champion!

[MrScottydabody]

Ben's face in slow motion reminds me of Gary Coleman.

[DamzCK]

im sure this was when he wasnt juiced because he was way bigger in seoul

[benchaffleck]

Don't worry about the fact that he took drugs. Everyone at this level of sport takes some form of performance enhancers. The playing field is level, because everyone is using. Occasionally someone will get caught and they'll make and example of that guy. Elite sport is like any other form of entertainment. Besides does anyone get upset when a woman uses fake breasts to unfairly attract men?

[PacoZola]

Great Ben Johnson. He was really cool when he won his races. And what a pity he often used to slow down his races. My god look at Linford Christie, he looks like an average runner. Its very suspicious Christie ran his fastest race when he got 33. I mean common man you cant run 100m in 9,87 at age of 33 while he used to run in his high twenties about 10 seconds only.

[theedge65]

@phastman99 No I don't think the same thing about Bolt, I am quite sure of it. Who cares? What's the difference? He is an amazing athlete.

[wikiwikiwias000]

celebrating early...tisk tisk

[monsieur305]

i wonder how shytty ben johnson feels nowadayz 4 having used steroids?

[fismaster123]

as soon the gun went off every one moved 1 second.

[21manners]

Great race by Johnson! but what I see the most is that Ben doesn't really act like a gentleman here. he wins, Lewis tries congratulate him but he doesn't really want to be congratulated by Carl. that doesn't look 2 good. whatever might have been said be4 the race you can show sportmanship especially afterwards.

Special mention to that guy next to Lewis, Woronin who used to be the fastest white athlete with a PB at 10.00. he even beat Lewis & Johnson in the same race one day.

[legendair]

thats thru johnson is a stupidguy but it have also to do with the attitude of carl louis, he was also often a bad winer and bad loser..and after al this Usain bolt makes al this history of sprint ridiculouse like a joke

[21manners]

it's true Usain killed all that animosity and tension that was so common among sprinters and everyone is much more relaxed today thanks to Bolt. could some1 upload the 100 final pre-race when Powell & Bolt playfight before they run? unthinkable back in the days!

[legendair]

yes u have write, altough bolt is a nice guy what he didnt doesnt inspire me nore excit me as the case of Michael johnson for example..who is now going to focus to run faster than 9,58s? to break the world record? what bolt did wil demotivate many guys..before mourice green use his tong to run just 9,9s, i dont know what he would do with his tong if he stand up now near bolt at starting blok.

[wellyd44]

the running technic those days was really bad. They were badly built for running and did not seem well trained.

[theedge65]

Micheal Johnson is not on drugs because he has been retired for about ten years. If you think Michael Johnson was clean just because he said he was, then you are naive about the workings of professional athletics, no matter what the sport.

[theedge65]

Michael Johnson is about as clean as my toilet bowl.

[Danebrogen]

Indeed. Just because he wasn't caught doesn't mean he wasn't drugged out of his ass. Marion jones was never busted either, so she couldn't have cheated! Right?

[kahirij]

On what evidence do you make that slanderous comment?

theedge65 is a faggot-ass bitch. My dog fucked you in your last night, bitch. Came on your face and fed you his feces, faggot.

[theedge65]

@kahirij If you want to discuss evidence, send me a message and we can discuss it.

[WithBACON]

Indeed. Michael Johnson was one of the dirtiest of modern track athletes. An average talent who succeeded through systematic doping.

[bossofalltime]

Michael Johnson was running 43 second 400m relay legs and mid20 second 200m runs whilst in College. Hardly an average talent

[rcaddict72]

right on. its funny how in 2010 junior and kiddie records get broken every year yet when it happens at the elite level everyone cries foul. ok so steroids were used as part of regular competition in the past, and some try to cheat...but the rewards are massive and penalties very high..and they store your blood for years now. it is possible to progress, and its pretty clean these days- but testing has to keep on. freaks occur every decade or so. MJ was one, BJ was not.

[bugzbunnys]

@WithBACON hey michael johnson did dope you jealous

[Sdelosinfiernos]

@WithBACON Sorry, but It seems that you do not know anything, Michael Johnson has been one of the best runners of the history, and one of the reasons is that it never gave positive in tests of doping.

[Juluka69]

@WithBACON Sour grapes....

[rich187113]

Nice video.

[mamowolde]

AY DICKHEADS!nobody knows wat bolts on! But at some extent, all world class sprinters at perfomance enhancing drugs. So get used to it

[yana1music]

It was a joke dick head...

[yana1music]

shut ya ugly ass up pussy...

[rich187113]

wtf.

[lshannon41]

Good point, Micheal Johnson was an outspoken critic of drugs in sport and look how unbeatable he was.

[theedge65]

MANY athletes are outspoken critics of drugs...until they get caught. Anybody remember the crap Carl Lewis used to talk until his dirty laundry (and only part of it) was aired? You are naive.

[lshannon41]

You have to give him the benefit of the doubt because he never failed a test. Yes Carl Lewis used to talk crap better maybe that says more about him being a hypocrite than anything else, also Linford Christie sued a newspaper for suggesting he was on drugs, then failed years later. But Johnson was the biggest critic of drug use out there and he never failed so its not fair to assume he was a cheat.

[theedge65]

@lshannon41 Sir, check again. Carl Lewis used banned stimulants at the 1988 US Olympic Trials and should have been banned from competing in the 1988 Olympics. Check the history. Ask Wade Exum. And you can be goddamned sure Carl 's other dirty tests were covered up by USATF as well, as any good track federation would do, except the pathetic Athletics Canada. Ben got screwed.

[lshannon41]

@theedge65 I'm not sure if I was implying that Lewis never failed as I made the comment 10 months ago and cannot remember whether or not I was aware of his failed test/s back then. Certainly it is unfair for one athlete to get away with taking drugs while another gets penalised. That said, Ben didn't get screwed, he got caught red handed and had to be punished, he may be a victim of hypocracy but he still cheated.

[Juluka69]

@lshannon41 Carl failed a test for using a stimulant that is found in any simple cold remedy and that is why the US athletics association didn't ban him. He never failed a test for STEROID use like Ben did. And may I also bring to your attention why some of those substances are banned, not cause they improve one's performance but they can MASK steroid use which is the main issue.

[Juluka69]

@theedge65 As far as we know Carl Lewis never used any banned substances, do you have any PROOF he did ? The IAAF would love to hear from you if you do meantime give the guy his due, King Carl was a great athlete .

[karim4ful1]

@theedge65 come on!!!!!! Suggest you to read couple of documents such as Olympic legend Carl Lewis is among more than 100 American athletes involved in a cover-up of drug use, documents reveal.

[Juluka69]

@karim4ful1 Read them and they do not offer any shred of PROOF that Carl took illegal substances, many innuendos and insinuations but no proof. I don't see why anyone from the lab that tested him did not spill the beans and stand up to be counted like in the Marion Jones case. When I see that I will believe.

[ranhill]

@theedge65 Anybody can say anything about anyone. However, unless there is PROOF backed up by concrete FACTS, the statements are nothing more than rumors, gossip, slander, and libel.

[lshannon41]

well said, until some one fails a test you have to assume their clean.

[jivetome]

I had no doubts that Ben would've whooped Carl Lewis' pussy ass across the track even if he did dope. Unfortunately he did and Lewis was able to get away with being the Greatest athlete on the track of all time, a title as much as he deserves, will never omit the fact that he's a sore loser and a prick of a person.

[yana1music]

Usain Bolt Uses Steroids dumpass

[LongHornSteel05]

Ben Johnson was a joke on juice! that is a cheat not a real runner

[yamsala]

The war is losted against doping so the only thing we can do now is to be detached by the result and enjoy the theatre of sport,

And in this field, Ben is a great showman and so aesthetic..

[shankar383]

@LongHornSteel05

ben johnson is more you''ll ever be in your life hater

[ippikin]

@LongHornSteel05 They were all on juice u dumb fuck

[Juluka69]

@ippikin Really , got PROOF of that ? The IAAF would love to see you. Present it to them and defend your claim in a court of law. That is not a claim you can make with CERTAINITY, maybe it's cause your guy never won anything, you backed the wrong horse....

[ippikin]

@Juluka69 You try and prove me otherwise! Go and get endocrine profiles of all the athletes in the Seoul final and they'll all show evidence of steriod use.

[tyrant1505]

@LongHornSteel05 Don't be so naive, wake up and smell the coffee! Apart from a few who finished nowhere, they were all on oral or injectables, many since the 70's! Get your facts right before slating a hell of an athlete, indeed, five more competitors in his famous '88 Olympic demolition of Lewis, were on between 5-8 times higher dosage than him!!!!

[LongHornSteel05]

it's not the American that was on steroids you idiot ass!

[dlxideas]

mother fucker cheater, american scumbag.

[ironman36]

excuse me. I have to sneeze. ah ah STEROIDS-chooo!!! excuse me.

[yana1music]

steroids?

[bigpaulothe1st]

didnt we see that same pose as he crossed the line 2 years later and he won by the same margin too.

[Deanodiamond]

Fantastic memories ... Ben Johnson, what an athlete!!

[bossofalltime]

Actually this was 1986. 10.03 into -1.3m/s easing-up. Gotta love it

[1981aLaN]

Indeed it is 1986:

1. B Johnson 10.03

2. C Imo 10.22

3. C Lewis 10.25

4. C Smith 10.25

5. L Christie 10.27

6. M Woronin 10.29

7. H Glance 10.35

8. D Williams 10.41

Athletics Weekly results says the wind was -0.7?

[bossofalltime]

Ah. I do not know which one is official. Much like in Bruxelles this year for Bolt 9.77 & Powell 9.83. Original wind reading given on the TV was -0.9, and yet now it has been given a -1.3.