@Ninjas35 i am not in yoseikan budo but yoseikan karatedo anyway thanks for the info it it make me wonder why the different spelling for the same kata
i think this bunkati is very good but the first 2 blocks are also throws and andy if you where being attacked throwing punchs would you just stand there thats why we have back stances and run drills moveing back but every sensei has there own personal touchs
@andycandyOK Yes, because the point of the kata is to push them backwards, so your trying to push them back with your blocks, punches, etc, but if they were attacking you they would continue to do so.
This is nowhere near the bunkai taught by my sensei. I don't know a whole lot about different bunkai to a single kata but my instructor comes from Okinawa so I imagine he knows his stuff. for example I was shown that the downward X-block turns into a throw of the leg in the next movement. nonetheless, its cool to see it another way
Exactly. Kata involves moving in multiple directions to assimilate multiple attacks. If there was only one opponent, why turn left, right, back or diagonal once you've knocked him down.
Why are people hating on all these bunkai? The same reels are in b/w but everyone loves those.
lol I think it would be even more obvious after he does sidekick one direction, then sidekick in the complete opposite direction. Unless we can assume the founders of Karate could teleport like Dragonball Z.
Personally I think this bunkai is the most obvious and direct, much better than others that try to splice in moves not even in the kata.
Ha Ha Ha....do you not turn in another directions when you do a throw or takedown or if he grabs? Does your body not turn when you counter an attack. Or does the attacker always punch? If its multiple opponents, why would one guy watch you takeout the other & not attack at the same time if this is how the kata was designed? You guys are thinking in the punch, block, kick mode. Do some research on karate-jutsu, tuite & kyusho-jutsu & not karate-do.
Okay, so in Heain Yondan, the first two blocks are executed to the left, then to the right. You're saying these blocks(thrown in opposite directions) are meant for only one opponent? And the side-kick/elbow combinations thrown in two opposite directions, that's for one opponent? How does that make sense? They're taking turns attacking in order to show the applications of the moves, so the camera can capture it, not a full-speed demo. And not every attack was a punch, where'd you see that here?
Yes, only one opponent. In kata, you practice the technique as a technique, not a fighting sequence from multiple opponents. You do the technique to the left & the right to show you can do it to the left or to the right. It's not a guy attacking to the left and another guy attacking to the right. If it was, they would attack at the same time. I just may post a video and show u. Each movement you make is a technique. Stances are not just stances they R fighting techniques too.
See what you're saying. I saw another clip where a 10th Dan broke a kata(Suishu) up in sequences follwed by a bunkai against a single opponent, so...think it's possible the multiple attackers in are really a bunch of single opponents, which may explain why they're not all attacking at once.?
That does not explain why he turns in opposite direction for another attack. He interprets the bunkai as if he is being attacked in another direction when he finishes the attack prior. This is not how the Okinawans bunkai kata. Once I get a video on youtube you will see what I am talking about. I once thought as you do about kata bunkai until I met my current teacher.
You mention Okinawans...Is there a chance the Japanese styles may do bunkai differently(kind of another way to differentiate themselves from Okinawan styles)? Is there any thing like this seen in Funakoshi's or other Japanese master's philosophies on karate? I mean of course judo kata couldn't have multiple attack applications...who's your sensei by the way? What school? I'd like to look it up.
My lineage comes from Hohan Soken & Fusei Kise. U can do searches on them. Nothing online about my teacher. But just some food for thought...Majority of Japanese do not know bunkai like the Okinawans because the Okinawans taught them things wrong or watered it down. Its a fact the Okinawans did not like the Japanese due to oppression to the Okinawans. Okinawans did not like Americans either. Look what we did to their country during WWII......
.....we almost blew theIsland off the map. Alot Okinawans starved to death or were killed during the bombing. We destryed their homes, invaded their country. Do u think they would teach the enemy their true secret fighting art? Would u teach the enemy yours? No u would not. Its a fact that the American government paid the Okinawan masters to teach the GI's this fighting art know as karate. They needed the money to live......
(part 3)...the Okinawans did not teach the Japanese or the Americans the true meaning of the bunkai in karate-jutsu. Thats why the Japanese changed it & called it karate-do. The Okinawans gave us a gun with no bullets. An empty gun in your hand can scare alot of people but is not effective unless u have bullets in it. Think about it.
I study/practice Shitoryu Karate from Sensei Kenwa Mabuni's lineage through 7th dan Renshi Daniel Coelho and all I say is, that type of bunkai and 1vs1 full sequence is what master Tadai Arashi, Shoko Sato and my Sensei use to teach the Bunkai for our exams.
Kata are a way of passing down knowledge without words or papers, what would be the point of transforming a 3D kata in a 2D straight-forward movement? Even the stances have to be twisted that way. That is only taught to the beginners. :)
No disrespect to you, but what does it matter what your lineage is? And why this is taught for exams? There are no beginner or advance techniques from kata in karate....only the ones you dont know. I'm affraid you are missing the point with how to bunkai a kata.
i agree, this is not how bunkai should be taught, there are many different bunkai for every kata, but bunkai like this is impractical. The only time bunkai should be taught like this is to begginers, and as a karateka becomes more and more advanced so should the bunkai to his kata.
theire is an grotesque error in the tittle it is yodan not yondan taje from me i am in yoseikan karate for a long time
mystisme 2 months ago
@mystisme maybe in your er.. yoseikan budo, but in shotokan it is yondan
Ninjas35 2 weeks ago
@Ninjas35 i am not in yoseikan budo but yoseikan karatedo anyway thanks for the info it it make me wonder why the different spelling for the same kata
mystisme 2 weeks ago
i think this bunkati is very good but the first 2 blocks are also throws and andy if you where being attacked throwing punchs would you just stand there thats why we have back stances and run drills moveing back but every sensei has there own personal touchs
saunders943 1 year ago
very unrealistic
at a certain point the attacker (!) is moving backwards and punching!
andycandyOK 2 years ago
@andycandyOK and whats unrealistic with that? reality is not like streetfighter games u know
wakerofwind88 1 year ago 5
@andycandyOK Yes, because the point of the kata is to push them backwards, so your trying to push them back with your blocks, punches, etc, but if they were attacking you they would continue to do so.
deeprose4 1 year ago
@andycandyOK Sorry, I meant to say, the point of some of the techniques in this kata are to push them backwards.
deeprose4 1 year ago
@andycandyOK katas are not for real use, bunkai shows how does the kata work
Ninjas35 2 weeks ago
This is nowhere near the bunkai taught by my sensei. I don't know a whole lot about different bunkai to a single kata but my instructor comes from Okinawa so I imagine he knows his stuff. for example I was shown that the downward X-block turns into a throw of the leg in the next movement. nonetheless, its cool to see it another way
cheaptrades 2 years ago
ma che chazzo e questi raggazze in nero??
cynrik14 2 years ago
No good!
acerwk 3 years ago
my favorite kata! in Bunkai..oh, this is great!
boozewack 3 years ago
thats not the real bunkai the founder made one of my sensis was toaght bby the founder and he showed us the bunkai that not it
shotokankarate1906 3 years ago
Another poor attempt to show bunkai. I kata you are not fighting multiple opponents....just one. Stop interpreting the katas this way.
roningb 3 years ago
Hmmm since when was it one opponent?
Woolfrey 3 years ago
Exactly. Kata involves moving in multiple directions to assimilate multiple attacks. If there was only one opponent, why turn left, right, back or diagonal once you've knocked him down.
Why are people hating on all these bunkai? The same reels are in b/w but everyone loves those.
deek77 3 years ago
lol I think it would be even more obvious after he does sidekick one direction, then sidekick in the complete opposite direction. Unless we can assume the founders of Karate could teleport like Dragonball Z.
Personally I think this bunkai is the most obvious and direct, much better than others that try to splice in moves not even in the kata.
Woolfrey 3 years ago
Ha Ha Ha....do you not turn in another directions when you do a throw or takedown or if he grabs? Does your body not turn when you counter an attack. Or does the attacker always punch? If its multiple opponents, why would one guy watch you takeout the other & not attack at the same time if this is how the kata was designed? You guys are thinking in the punch, block, kick mode. Do some research on karate-jutsu, tuite & kyusho-jutsu & not karate-do.
roningb 3 years ago
Okay, so in Heain Yondan, the first two blocks are executed to the left, then to the right. You're saying these blocks(thrown in opposite directions) are meant for only one opponent? And the side-kick/elbow combinations thrown in two opposite directions, that's for one opponent? How does that make sense? They're taking turns attacking in order to show the applications of the moves, so the camera can capture it, not a full-speed demo. And not every attack was a punch, where'd you see that here?
deek77 3 years ago
Yes, only one opponent. In kata, you practice the technique as a technique, not a fighting sequence from multiple opponents. You do the technique to the left & the right to show you can do it to the left or to the right. It's not a guy attacking to the left and another guy attacking to the right. If it was, they would attack at the same time. I just may post a video and show u. Each movement you make is a technique. Stances are not just stances they R fighting techniques too.
roningb 3 years ago
See what you're saying. I saw another clip where a 10th Dan broke a kata(Suishu) up in sequences follwed by a bunkai against a single opponent, so...think it's possible the multiple attackers in are really a bunch of single opponents, which may explain why they're not all attacking at once.?
deek77 3 years ago
That does not explain why he turns in opposite direction for another attack. He interprets the bunkai as if he is being attacked in another direction when he finishes the attack prior. This is not how the Okinawans bunkai kata. Once I get a video on youtube you will see what I am talking about. I once thought as you do about kata bunkai until I met my current teacher.
roningb 3 years ago
You mention Okinawans...Is there a chance the Japanese styles may do bunkai differently(kind of another way to differentiate themselves from Okinawan styles)? Is there any thing like this seen in Funakoshi's or other Japanese master's philosophies on karate? I mean of course judo kata couldn't have multiple attack applications...who's your sensei by the way? What school? I'd like to look it up.
deek77 3 years ago
My lineage comes from Hohan Soken & Fusei Kise. U can do searches on them. Nothing online about my teacher. But just some food for thought...Majority of Japanese do not know bunkai like the Okinawans because the Okinawans taught them things wrong or watered it down. Its a fact the Okinawans did not like the Japanese due to oppression to the Okinawans. Okinawans did not like Americans either. Look what we did to their country during WWII......
roningb 3 years ago
.....we almost blew theIsland off the map. Alot Okinawans starved to death or were killed during the bombing. We destryed their homes, invaded their country. Do u think they would teach the enemy their true secret fighting art? Would u teach the enemy yours? No u would not. Its a fact that the American government paid the Okinawan masters to teach the GI's this fighting art know as karate. They needed the money to live......
roningb 3 years ago
(part 3)...the Okinawans did not teach the Japanese or the Americans the true meaning of the bunkai in karate-jutsu. Thats why the Japanese changed it & called it karate-do. The Okinawans gave us a gun with no bullets. An empty gun in your hand can scare alot of people but is not effective unless u have bullets in it. Think about it.
roningb 3 years ago
I study/practice Shitoryu Karate from Sensei Kenwa Mabuni's lineage through 7th dan Renshi Daniel Coelho and all I say is, that type of bunkai and 1vs1 full sequence is what master Tadai Arashi, Shoko Sato and my Sensei use to teach the Bunkai for our exams.
Kata are a way of passing down knowledge without words or papers, what would be the point of transforming a 3D kata in a 2D straight-forward movement? Even the stances have to be twisted that way. That is only taught to the beginners. :)
dark0ne2067 3 years ago
No disrespect to you, but what does it matter what your lineage is? And why this is taught for exams? There are no beginner or advance techniques from kata in karate....only the ones you dont know. I'm affraid you are missing the point with how to bunkai a kata.
roningb 3 years ago
i agree, this is not how bunkai should be taught, there are many different bunkai for every kata, but bunkai like this is impractical. The only time bunkai should be taught like this is to begginers, and as a karateka becomes more and more advanced so should the bunkai to his kata.
karatecloutier77 3 years ago