Europeans believe NATO can deter the Americans

[dadecountyhustler305]

Nato is only powerful because of the Americans... and maybe the British

[pbuovgh]

Western Europe lost its independence after WW2 and now its masters are in Washington DC. Western Europe made a deal with the devil to get the comfort of civilized society. In the few decades there will be nothing left of you. You will be overrun by the muslims and fags.

[caliguy92]

oh, don't be such a hypocrite Canada...

[Meduzi]

@caliguy92 You were doing so well, until you blew in your closing sentence.

[expatdk]

and surely the reality is exactly what the russians think it is. They are so famous for being rational and free thinkers... honestly between americans and russians, I feel that we in Europe are the only not that misinformed people

[vVogeltjes]

yeah, "europeans"... why do people keep generalising about an entire continent with dozens of countries...

[Dhaune]

hahahahaha russians telling europeans what they believe ahahahah!!!!

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[throthehammer]

russian nazi rubbish

[vendetta007mike]

what do you want from Russia! Live her alone! Mind your bussiness! Did Russia attack you did Russia kill your family did Russia steal your country! USA will surelly do that! But not Russia! What is going wrong with you?

[throthehammer]

I have the same regard to Russia as if to that of a rat, got a problem with that?

[throthehammer]

get lost you disgusting prorussian communist piece of crap

[vendetta007mike]

it's easier to get lost in the place you leave!

[throthehammer]

its where you live you retard...learn how to write in English Mr. Vladimiro Hemorroidopoudos

[vendetta007mike]

You should also learn to write correctly your name Mr.throwthehammer in your ass!

[throthehammer]

Moron, it was not my intention to write throwthehammer you spastic communist tube, go and do something usefull like wash dishes or something

[vendetta007mike]

I will do something usefull! Burn your house scum!

[throthehammer]

yes now take your dog out for a walk and dont forget to pick up the post from the post office...and wash your hands before dinner

[vendetta007mike]

if you say something try to be more clever! you make a fool of yourself if you realised that but anyway keep like that...

[throthehammer]

oh yes you are very clever, so clever that those movies included in your favourites (V for vendetta and the last samurai) would not be made under a communist dictatorship, it also seems improbable that your computer game collection would be available unless you bought it in a black market...

[throthehammer]

That is a really intelligent thing to say, you are very clever...

[EUamerican]

American peacekeeping is more needed in American cities that have become conflict zones.

[pualywog]

that's why every time i see a military sell to Iran i rejoice

[irak4georgia]

we thank the georgian & american Peacekeeping forces in Irak.

We want to thank the russian Peacekeeping forces in Georgia.

Russian peacekeeping forces should stay in Georgia if need as the georgian & american Peacekeeping forces are need in Irak

[ewtwerg]

So i think its batter for rassians and american solders to stay home with there

natives.

I hope that Obama will be a president!

[ewtwerg]

And what are the americans doing there? I dont know.

Americans goverment whants this war to continue! what for? - to have russia weak!

Bush is afraid of russian nuclear bomb, that can blow his suitcases with money?

Bush whants John McCain to be a president?

John McCain will lead this world to war as Bush.

[ewtwerg]

Who supplies weapon and ammo there? - i dont know! -Russia? no, not Russia!

Somebody who whants this conflict to continue

Russia was trying for many years to stop fratricide there. I mean near gorgia.

Russia was trying for many years to stop weapon delivery there.

We must stop weapon delivery to that region!

Until that region have guns, the guns will shoot!

America tops up petrol in a fire. Its no good.This war is a war for nothing.

[Russak205]

they can have the guns just dont gyve them the bullets remember guns dont kill people bullets do

[iLuvHairyChests22]

The Polish are basically Germanic in Nature there extremely Arrogant" No, first of all "national-socialism" doesn`t exist so, there`s no such thing like "national opinion" and if you would know at least little bit of our history you would separate "arrogance" from "pride", unless you separate those things at all. P.S. in Poland almost noone buys in some "aldi" or "lidl", i know not more than one of both in Warsaw. And since you sign some deal make sure you can afford it Yankee.

[ewtwerg]

Its not wery difficult to to purchase any weapon and ammo there.

You can walk with guns. Everybody have guns there!

Its an ordinary case to kill each other there. Its not wery difficult to to purchase any weapon and ammo there.

Blood feud is widespread there.

[ewtwerg]

Turkey has the litigions teretory with Georgia too.

Its very difficult to define who started the conflict first!!!! Because they were always in

conflict!!!!

Fellows have guns and thay shoot. Its a kind of entertainment. They shoot in russians subdivisions!!!!

Because its a kind of entertainment!!!! Its not a joke! its true. its a kind of entertainment!!!!

Many Rusians have died there!

Its an ordinary case to kill each other there.

[ewtwerg]

Its wery difficult to live there! Peole there got used to live in war.

They got used to kill each other from time to time.

Its mostly an islamistik teretory. The all russia is orthodox exept south.

Ositinys kills ingushs, and Chechens kills ingushs, and ingushs kills Ositinys.

Ositins are in conflict with there neighbours and Georgia is not exception!!!

Turks also were in conflict with Georgia. That is why Turkey dont let the americans

to to enter in a black sea.

[ewtwerg]

I am rusian i live in russia. Why Americans hate me so much?

I dont anderstend! Because your goverment orders you?

somebody, please try to explain me! in simpl words.

Do you whant to know the truth?

The all teretory of russia is peaceful, but not the south.

I lived in nazran' its a capital of INGUSHETIA two years

ago. Its lacated near ossetia. Between osetia and chechna.

And i traveled around that teretoriya. Its a really unstable teretoriya.

[Estonianbeauty]

Nato cant even beat the Taliban LOL :)

[nobodydobo]

The entire Soviet Union couldn't beat the Taliban either :).

[poodleinsky]

the line has been drawn east vs west.

The truth is russia china and all those breakaway states,including iran and maybe other middle east countrys WILL BE THE EURASIA MOVEMENT VS NEW WORLD ORDER

AND IN THE END THEIR WILL BE ONE SYSTEM

AND THAT IS SUBMISSION

TRUTH STANDS CLEAR FROM ERROR

[jmwd]

There is an inside joke in the Pentagon about the Russians having toilet seats hanging from their necks. What is it?

[jmwd]

I expected the Russian military to look more professional and armed to their teeth with high tech equipment and shit, but all I saw was a bunch of crappy dressed fat fags on top of a tank with a drunk driver pushing the brakes of the tank every 4 seconds like a 15 year old learning how to drive LOL! One fat boy almost fell from the tank whatta fuck? And whatta hell is up with those toilet seats and sheep on them tanks? I'm telling you, is that the mighty Russian military? Wouldn't last us much!

[apilgrim74]

The title of this should actually be: 'A Russian Envoy Believes NATO Should Deter the Americans.' O_o

In other news, people on youtube continue to watch political spin videos as Russia occupies a neighboring country allied with the US. Who then take offense that the US would dare speak up to condemn the attack of one of it's allies and who then idiotically threaten the US with retaliation for being at fault for everything in the world as usual. Blah, blah, blah.

[mikolajoskierko]

"Russia occupies a neighboring country allied with the US"

Since when Georgia is allied with USA? If it would be, Russia wouldn`t dare to even fart on the border station.

[apilgrim74]

Seriously, if you weren't aware that Georgia isn't/wasn't allied with the US (especially even militarily as a future NATO member) you are missing a big part of the current situation.

[mikolajoskierko]

No, you`r missing the point which makes the real deal and some UNOFFICIAL support, ask yourselve a question" would Russia try its "peacekeeping" on Georgia if it would be in NATO?

[mikolajoskierko]

Rogozin is a CLOWN lol

[mikolajoskierko]

I`m not 'proud' to have such "compatriot"... lepiej się zamknij jeśli wszystko co umiesz to pojechać po nazwiskach, jak mówisz że Rosja jest taka super, to chyba cię w szkole nie douczyli, albo jeszcze za Gierka kiblowałeś. Rosja ma nas w dupie i Ameryka ma nas w dupie, różnica jest taka, że jak ci Ruscy wchodzą na kwadrat nie ma że negocjacje itp.

Rucy go home! kurwa ich mać

[mikac4444]

guy209 you are a sick mother and fother fucker, are you mental damaged abortion who get free

[guy209]

i wait till bush make signal to invade your pathetic country soon death to iran/russi/china/nkorea and you all will pay war crimes.. then we burn your flag and rape your women and make new american race

[acidpress]

fag209, shut your filthy pie-hole. is that your daddy i hear calling for another round of bjs for him and his buddies? no wonder you're so angry, hi hi hi!! fyi, the usa is the greatest war criminal the world has ever seen, so it is you who will pay, m'kay?

[EUamerican]

The reality is that NATO does not deter Americans. The Americans are using NATO to hold back an independent-from-NATO security and defense by Europeans and for Europeans.

There is not use for NATO anymore, other than to hold Europe back from realizing the fullness of the European project and to "keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Europeans down."

The only way to deter Americans is to get Americans out of European security...France rejoining NATO was supposed to do that.

[acidpress]

EUamerican, well said. You forgot to mention the UK, playing the game as a double agent of sorts. I love all my UK brothers and sisters dearly, but I absolutely detest the UK politically. In fact most educated and politically aware Europeans do. The UK and the US, joined at the hip for quite some time now... and indeed as you said keeping the Europeans and EU from reaching their full potential. Such petty games we play. I'm an EUamerican as well, BTW =]

[EUamerican]

Yep, acidpress, the Brits are part of the London-Washington Axis that also see the Lisbon Treaty as a threat. Any hint of European defense that separates or duplicates NATO get screams from especially the Americans.

The Russian ambassador is naive of how much America dominates NATO.

If the Russian govt was smart, it would cooperate FULLY with Europe on the ceasefire. Not cooperating with the ceasefire just plays into the hands of the USA. Russia is making HUGE mistakes here!

[acidpress]

I'm not so sure about Russia (or its ambassador) being naive. Dangerous games are being played on all sides, with unpredictable consequences. Look at Iraq for instance. Look at Afghanistan. Some in the US figured both would be a pick nick. The facts on the ground prove otherwise.

I'm not sure what the real deal is with Russia and Georgia. My first thought was that Russia was going after its strategic interests in the region because the US, in Moskow's eyes, isn't leaving them much choice...

[mikolajoskierko]

"The Russian ambassador is naive of how much America dominates NATO."

As i said Rogozin is a clown, even in Russia where you`v got Kremlin owned medias and literally few independent papers, he`s not treated seriously.

Russia did it long time ago, hopeing that it can diverse sucesfully the so called "eastern" Europe (its former "zone") from the "western" which cares more about thier fuels (in future...). Just look the NATO/€U reactions on Georgia or ABM.

[guy209]

russia will pay for warcrimes and knee to USA.. USa soon will burn russia house and rape russia motherland of oil and rape russia women watch USA will bring war to Rusisia

[acidpress]

punk209, pardon me for asking, did you happen to be, you know, an "accident"? You sure sound like a bastard =]

[guy209]

fuck u u nazi country..u need usa to live fuck u and russia

[maslovandrey]

you're just setting yourself up for disappointment....

[Folow293]

haha you are funny.

[wyrd24]

jplumads (15 hours ago) So why do Russians want to be aligned with radical Islam?

Zbigniew Brzezinski and Tim Osman (the cover name for Osama bin Laden) created Al Qaeda (the Base) when the CIA was engaged in covert operations in Afghanistan.

[ZuzaPK]

What??

[sovietamerican2]

russia doesnt lack men power......their paramilitary force is already quite large. you dont need alot of troops to invade a country or attack the foreign attackers.

[wyrd24]

Balance is the key concept. Read everything. Then put the pieces together based on reason (not sentimental nationalism). That is, follow the money trail. Corporate Socialist America is a beast best kept on a leash (that goes for all corporate socialists, for left unchecked, the rich will eat the poor twice as fast as they have grown accustomed).

[MuslimApostate]

that goes for russia as well. Or are you forgetting that the russian federation is the largest country on earth which technically makes it an empire and who feels the need to black mail its neighbors into being pro russian through oil and resources embargoes with the rest of the world knowing full well that russia would have invaded nations defiant to it long ago if it had the power too.

[maslovandrey]

that may be true, but just because Russia is large does not mean it automatically wants to destroy everything in its path. that is a preconceived notion left over from the cold war. however, i think it reasonably feels threatened when the west attaches the 'evil' tag on russia while fermenting opposition on her borders. how would the US react with Cuba, Mexico and Canada militarily opposed to it? you put a knife to someone's throat and then accuse them of assault when they fight back.

[ZuzaPK]

I remember how the US freaked out when the USSR wanted to place its rockets in Cuba. The USA was ready to start a nuclear war for fuck's sake.

[maslovandrey]

and they were completely justified, as is russia for addressing this threat. i need to know, if america insist on meddling in countries from various regions of the world, are they always right? why destabilize the world by insisting that georgia join NATO, planting their man into power there?

[apilgrim74]

Georgia applied to NATO but was denied membership for the time being. Get your basic facts at least a little correct before jumping on the idiot train with most of the other youtubers blaming the US for Russia decimating one of it's neighbors.

But now Putin has completely justified the need for countries like Georgia to seek protection from NATO... Russia isn't making things easy on itself.

[maslovandrey]

i have my facts pretty straight, actually. the current president of georgia is so obviously planted by the US. he grows up in georgia, gets educated in the US, practices law in new york, befriends politicians in wash. dc., then comes back to be elected as president. US politicians incessantly traveled to georgia for talks, US military trained the georgian army. as late as july 15, 2008, the US, georgia, armenia held war games using offensive tactics. don't take my word for it, do some research!

[apilgrim74]

Uh yeah, actually you sound totally like a conspiracy nut to me rather than factual. The Georgian president DOES want to be allied with the west and has spent time not only going to school in the US but in *several* western European countries. And that makes him 'obviously planted by the US' how? To me that just says he was educated in the west and identifies with the west... and now Putin has even completely justified Georgia needing protection from Russia through the NATO alliance.

[mikolajoskierko]

So do some research, and find out who was Zwiad Gamsakhurdia, Eduard Shevardnadze, Nino Burjanadze, Zurab Zhvania etc... Saakashvili is the first since Gamsakhurdia (suicide?) real president of Georgia, not a kremlin puppet (Shevardnadze?)... Do the researche about how were growing tensions between Georgia without Shevardnadze and it`s "separatist" republics and in the spear time look up the "careers" of the "Abkazian" and "S.Osetian" leaders, just do it, than we can talk.

[apilgrim74]

I'm more educated on the subject then you are giving me credit for. Would be more constructive if you actually made more of a point besides claiming intellectual superiority.

[mikolajoskierko]

Ok, so what`s the point? That Georgia is a "puppet" of USA? In Russian rhetoric EVERY of NATO or even not favoreing Russia country is an "American puppet". If you`ll want split countryies on the USA/Russian puppets, you`ll get a really funny situation. But anyway, the point is that the real puppet was Georgia in the times of USSR or after Shevardnadze took power after the "civil war" or just coup backed by Russia in 90s, Saakashvili put him away and than started troubles with "separatists".

[maslovandrey]

i'm not claiming intellectual superiority. however, it doesn't take much to realize that when someone: a. has personal friendships with members of a foreign government before election; b. gambles his country's wellbeing for personal gain in brutally assaulting an independent region; c. follows an economic policy that rejects neighbours; it seems to suggest a conflict of interest that follows a political viewpoint of some other entity. by the way, you confuse 'then' and 'than'. :)

[ekimsnevets]

Where is this evil tag bullshit coming from? Is the propaganda machine up and running again since your newspapers have been systematically oppressed or are you reading "Cold War Era" paper clippings of Ronald Reagan quotes from 20 years ago?

[ekimsnevets]

well, as a blue collar (peasant you might say) of my country, I'll put my quality of life up against yours or atleast the majority of your fellow citizens under your leadership and system of government any day. all i can go by is the fact that all my Ukrainain inlaws still use outdoor toilets and the streets are shambles while Oligrachs like Akmetov waste millions on a soccer stadium unfinished in Donetsk.

[Phys1905]

NATO is the problem.

[wyrd24]

Poland for Poles is a sound position, period.

[leejackson1853]

all you bastards in nato, the u.s. should pull out, take our money, our planes , our tanks, our troops, and let russia run ruffshod over all of you inconsiderate fucks,after all the lives and money the us has spent trying to defend europe

[iLuvHairyChests22]

Hmm you want to go back in time when you Poles could NOT even leave the country under Russian Cold War

[quisqueyatv]

RT is the only news source i trust, FOX, CNN, BBC, Aljazzera, all liers!!

i support Russia!

[MuslimApostate]

and what makes you think RT is any less biased? Why cause its russian? Don't make me laugh.

[Phys1905]

MuslimApostate if it wasnt for Russia the US would have already bombed Iran. The world needs a balance in power. The US has become too strong but is now falling.

[MuslimApostate]

actually russia lacks the man power to fight far outside its borders. The best russia could do in the event of a US iranian conflict would be to sell the more powerful weapons and maybe send advisors. Othew then that russia could do very little outside risking a nuclear confrontation which i don't think even a far right hardliner like putin would do unless it threatened russia's borders.

[wyrd24]

Welfare for the rich or socialism for the rich share a common root definition. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is the means to an end for promoting and enforcing (militarily) socialism for the rich (in America and Europe, and beyond said borders).

[mortashuppoplex]

Nato is absurd.

[wyrd24]

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is a military alliance of financially homogenous states in Europe and North America who promote the values of corporate socialism, i.e., socialism for the rich.

[ekimsnevets]

Anti-semitic comments like yours and many many others on here are a great reminder to me of exactly why nothing has change in 65 years and why Nato is as valid today as it has ever been. I am an American living in an eastern region of Ukraine. Have russian speaking sons and wife. I have no bad feelings for Russians at all. I wish they would align with us. To get to the west Russia would have to wade through 250 million former soviets (Poles, Czechs etc) who don't want to go back to the ole days

[Aleksei1978]

Rogozin end Jerenovski= komik

[terrasidius]

NATO should have been disbanded at the end of the Cold War, there is absolutly NO NEED for it anymore and (like Israel) just serves to create division and conflict. Although unlike Israel there was once a need for NATO, Israel should never have been created, as its caused nothing but troubel, and no i dont hate Jews, some of my faveourite people are Jewish, but theres a difference between your average Jew and a Zionist Jew, the latter being all fucked up. lol

[NeMetov]

USA wants Russia. Intellegent people areound the world know it. watch?v=6WA8ZHtykLw

[antoshahorosha]

Conspiracy much?

[tuber275]

This whole thing looks backward to me, NATO and East Europe are so paranoid of Moscow they don't seem to care they are supporting a mad man in Georgia. Who will they support next? NATO is a cold war relic.

[maslovandrey]

totally agree with you.

[ekimsnevets]

What do you base that conclusion on? Russia (or before that the USSR) has had nukes since the beginning and demonstrated they are responsible in keeping them in the silo. I have not heard of any leader of from there make threats of destroying any other country let aone ours since Kruchev. He's dead. On the other hand, Iran wants one and their current president has said they would like to destroy another country. Not just any country but the only democratically elected country in that region.

[metaframe2k]

What USA doing in other part of the world?

Seeking for oil again?

You have oil -we bring you democracy!?

F..k em all!

[ekimsnevets]

The nationalism of Russians by Putin reminds me of the nationlism of Germans stirred up by Hitler before the world war of the 1940s

[ekimsnevets]

The likeliehood of a Chechnyan terrorist detonating a dirty bomb in Moscow from material gained from either of those two countries is at least as great as any threat to America given the proximity.

The surist way to determine who is right and who is behaving wrong is to look back at what's become of freedom of journalists to criticise the Russian administration over the past 8 years. How many journalists have been murdered (assassinated)?

[ekimsnevets]

Why can't they see that the biggest threat in the future is from fundamental islamic countries to Russia's south. Among them Iran, Pakistan (who knows what the future regime will be in that wild card nation?)

[ekimsnevets]

I can't believe the paranoia of Russians toward the west when the country that stands to gain by missle interceptors the second most to the USA is Russia.

[seseljsrs]

Hmmm, only hours after the Europeans invoked their little NATO veto against Georgia (telling Russia "See? NATO works") the US gave mini-Hitler in Tbilisi the green light.

The EuroDisneys immediately acted all shocked and sided with the US posturing, accusing Russia of aggression.

This most recent "Old Europe" political theatre, has been very cynically performed so far, especially when compared to "We oppose the US aggression against Iraq" (what a show!). Who are they trying to kid?

[jplumads]

So why do Russians want to be aligned with radical Islam? I'm confused. I thought more of Russians than that.

[kcsw]

>>steadno

let's do ..replace missile interceptor and long range radar back to Cuba , vietnam etc all in the name of intercepting rogue nation's future missile system and see what happened , what the west is allowing to be done is a double edge sword !

[Steadno]

If Russia was putting missiles near America we'd freak just as the Russians are about Poland.

[iLuvHairyChests22]

The Polish are basically Germanic in Nature there extremely Arrogant though they have taken over Ireland & UK next I can see Aldi & Lidl discount supermarkets in Poland selling Blast Proof Nuclear Shelters:) lol not that they will be any good against the Enormous Russian Nukes

[Steadno]

Polish are German like via DNA? One thing's for sure, (WHEN) Russia bombs them for that "missile shield" they'll need all the friends they can get.

[mikolajoskierko]

"Polish are German like via DNA? "

More than you can imagine. But that`s not the point.

We`ll see how Russia is tough and NATO or USA trustful IF this will happend. Russia going on the conventional war with NATO would be the biggest "kamikadze" in the worlds history, if will go on the nuclear... the last "kamikadze", that`s all.

Sleep well all my "western" fellow "allies" and make sure your govs are building thier "maginot lines".

[Steadno]

I agree that if NATO goes to war w/Russia it'll become nuclear sooner or later, probably the former. I don't liken Russia to Japan on its last leg taking as many out as it exists the world. We must remember where China, N. Korea and Cuba received it communistic ideals: Good old mother Russia. They would ally themselves just as Iran and half of the Middle East would but for various reasons. .

[mikolajoskierko]

"The Polish are basically Germanic in Nature there extremely Arrogant"

No, first of all "national-socialism" doesn`t exist so, there`s no such thing like "national opinion" and if you would know at least little bit of our history you would separate "arrogance" from "pride", unless you separate those things at all.

P.S. in Poland almost noone buys in some "aldi" or "lidl", i know not more than one of both in Warsaw. And since you sign some deal make sure you can afford it Yankee.

[iLuvHairyChests22]

All the Polish will be Incinerated with Russian First Nuclear strike on Poland at 3000 degrees celsius Free Cremation For All Lol