@TheRealBoxman Yep, good ole' Timecop in all it's original intended glory. Same for other masterpieces too like Der Langrisser, Star Fox, Earthworm Jim 2, Kirby's Dreamland 3...
@Lateralusticus Just a little bit of teasing there (which I hope you recognized).
Just so I'm clear, I fully understand the important of art preservation and emulation accuracy, so I view this as a worthwhile endeavor.
Unfortunately, the differences found in most other games are rarely ever quite as striking as those noted here. That, and many are just so used to the "feel" of ZSNES/SNES9x and are spoiled by certain key features they offer that bsnes doesn't (yet?).
@TheRealBoxman Certainly. Emulators are often geared to play the most commonly played games, and most don't care about bugs in obscure games. Unique features are also big factors in choosing an emulator. Perhaps, if people are to use only one emulator instead of keeping around one (or more) version of each most popular emulator, they should be aware of what limits that emulator has, be it game-specific hacks or lack of popular features.
Great job lateralusticus. Creating an accurate emulator should be an expected and worthy endeavor. Admittedly I don't recall hearing of bsnes before; I always used zsnes and snes9x.
But I see the problem. The in-game music for zsnes Timecop is way too fast. The cutscene text was a lot blurrier than bsnes. Don't know if that was just the recording or what. Bsnes looks and sounds better. I'll definitely try it out sometime.
The tearing video is bad in both of them. Did you have vsync and triple buffering enabled? That's probably the thing that annoys me most about emulation!
@videogameobsession I don't recall, though most likely vsync was not enabled. I 'believe' I used ZSNES' movie recorder for ZSNES, and Camtasia to record bsnes, but I'm not entirely sure. That's something I really don't know anything about, since it's something that I don't notice too much, but if you have any pointers/information, I'd be glad to hear it.
As far as pointers I really haven't tried making videos from either of those emulators, but all I can suggest is to make sure both triple buffering and vsync options are checked. It should make the video scrolling much smoother (especially with horizontal scrolling).
I love the sound emulation in bsnes. The timing always felt way off in most games in ZSNES. I'm glad my favourite emulator, Snes9x, decided to use the bsnes sound core too.
Keep doing a great job with this. The emulator may not work well on my crappy lappy, but I really appreciate what you're doing.
Ummm..... so what exactly is the difference between these two other than the "time travel" wave effect looking slightly different?
Sorry, but if I was able to play Chrono Trigger on my 75mhz desktop back in 1999 with zsnes there is no excuse that accuracy needs to cost 2-3ghz quad core systems for a 25 year old console. These kinds of minor issues are EXACTLY what high-level speed and compatibility hacks are for.
The "fast" emu can run 99% of games fine, the rest use high level hacks to run .
@CyberAkumaZero The music runs at a clearly incorrect pace. You are correct that it'd be much more convenient to implement game-specific hacks to get games to run, but it depends on what your goals are with your emulator. If it's simply to get games running, game-specific hacks are find. But if it's to document the inner workings of the console and preserve it by emulating it to perfection, down to the most minute edge-cases that no game ever utilizes, then game-specific hacks do not belong.
@Lateralusticus Understandable, of course if going for preservation or accuracy, one would want the emulator to be as accurate as possible. (Though personally I would think if accuracy and study is that important one should just use the original hardware). But you know just as well as I that most people use emulators to play games, not for study and programming of such accuracy, yet people keep pushing this emulator over ZSNES and SNES9X for even just gaming, which I think is ludicrous.
@CyberAkumaZero When you want an emulator for gaming, you certainly want it done right. In my opinion, it's definitely worth using an emulator if it actually does things correct so it can play Earthworm Jim 2, Sink or Swim, Air Strike Patrol, Speedy Gonzales, Star Fox, etc. without any major bugs that impair gameplay. ZSNES has problems with these games, and hasn't had a release in years. If bsnes is too powerful, I would certainly recommend a recent version of Snes9x such as 1.53 though.
@Lateralusticus I understand wanting to get it done right, but again, its the price vs payoff. For "gaming" rather than study or archival, the other emulators run 95 to 99% of games just fine, to get that 100% you need to jack up the system requirements to a rather insane level. Its just not practical to use bsnes for just plain wanting to play a game, its kinda like how software rendering can look better than any 3D card....... if you have a few petahurtz of networked cpus to do the processing.
@CyberAkumaZero If you meet the specs, in my opinion it's a worthy investment, as long as you can have a constant 60 fps (or 50 for PAL). Snes9x is improving considerably, actually, and I could recommend it just as well. It's certainly better than ZSNES regarding accurate emulation, and is actually in recent development, instead of no updates for 4 years.
@CyberAkumaZero The hardware won't be around forever. Few SNES's exist right now, and they'll only get fewer as time passes and no more will be manufactured. This is gaming history. It needs to be preserved. Of course emulators like bsnes are for purely academic purposes, nobody is going to look down on you if you use a faster one.
Perfectly accurate emulators WANT to preserve everything both about the hardware and the way it ran every game. Every glitch, every bug, every problem included.
@Smarty4789 Most Atari 2600 units and cartridges are still in fine working order, yet there are PS1 emulators that can't run on modern systems. True that the system won't be around forever, but with how fast computers and their Operating Systems move, unless there is an organization to keep bsnes always running on current operating systems for the sake of archival, the emulator will get outdated long before the systems start becoming rare and hard to find a working one. SNES will outlast bsnes.
@CyberAkumaZero As bsnes is in very active development, I think that at the very least, it will outlast ZSNES, which is written in assembly. Unless ZSNES 2.0 is actually released, it'll die off soon enough. Whether either will outlast a real SNES is certainly an interesting question, my own is in perfect working order (though my NES needs a new 72-pin connector...)
@CyberAkumaZero But no more SNES machines are made and every one that breaks will be lost forever. If in 2021 your computer wont run bsnes any more, if all else fails, just use some virtualization solution to run one of todays operating systems - problem solved! Don't know which PS1 emulator you're talking about, but I bet you can get it running in some sort of virtual machine.
Wow, the music in this game is pretty good! What? You say this is a video comparing emulators?... Anyway, bsnes is my go to emulator for SNES. Keep up the awesome work!
@rubens4141 bsnes past v072 does not support headered ROM files, and requires .sfc file extensions (for these reasons: byuu (dot) org / bsnes / legacy-formats). Simply run snespurify.exe (if it came in your download) and it will automatically fix all your file extensions and headers, and will still work on all your other SNES emulators. If you'd rather not do that, download bsnes v072 Qt (and bsnes_dll_files.7z) here: mediafire (dot) com / ?50s6p6qqtg9u8
It's a shame ZSnes lost it's throne after all this time out of development, it's been my favorite emulator (of ALL the consoles) for so long and I've become so attached to the UI... I wish a there would be a ZSnes frontend or whatever made for BSnes to satisfy my emulator nostalgia, lol... Nostalgic about emulator UI's to play my old nostalgic games... Kinda bad right? lol
@DarkBones64 You aren't supposed to 'dislike' it, but rather realize that the faster music is incorrect. To each their own, would it be okay if an emulator glitch made the end boss of Earthbound have crazy colors that made it look "better"?
bSNES is awesome. It is the only SNES emulator I use these days. ZSNES was king 6-8 years ago, but it is dead now; No new release in over 4 years. bSNES has 4 or 5 releases just in 2011 so far, so it is under very active development and is getting better all the time.
@waddlerobloxxxx Just run the snespurify.exe in the bSNES directory and locate yours ROM/ROMs. Scan and fix and you are good to go. They have been renamed to *.sfc (Super FamiCom) now so bSNES can play them. Happy gaming.
Fuck everything and everyone, this game seems to have bitching music.
ArfJason 1 month ago
Oh thank God! I'm so relieved that I can now play the masterpiece known as Time Cop the way it was meant to be played!
TheRealBoxman 5 months ago
@TheRealBoxman Yep, good ole' Timecop in all it's original intended glory. Same for other masterpieces too like Der Langrisser, Star Fox, Earthworm Jim 2, Kirby's Dreamland 3...
Lateralusticus 5 months ago
@Lateralusticus Just a little bit of teasing there (which I hope you recognized).
Just so I'm clear, I fully understand the important of art preservation and emulation accuracy, so I view this as a worthwhile endeavor.
Unfortunately, the differences found in most other games are rarely ever quite as striking as those noted here. That, and many are just so used to the "feel" of ZSNES/SNES9x and are spoiled by certain key features they offer that bsnes doesn't (yet?).
TheRealBoxman 5 months ago
@TheRealBoxman Certainly. Emulators are often geared to play the most commonly played games, and most don't care about bugs in obscure games. Unique features are also big factors in choosing an emulator. Perhaps, if people are to use only one emulator instead of keeping around one (or more) version of each most popular emulator, they should be aware of what limits that emulator has, be it game-specific hacks or lack of popular features.
Lateralusticus 5 months ago
Great job lateralusticus. Creating an accurate emulator should be an expected and worthy endeavor. Admittedly I don't recall hearing of bsnes before; I always used zsnes and snes9x.
But I see the problem. The in-game music for zsnes Timecop is way too fast. The cutscene text was a lot blurrier than bsnes. Don't know if that was just the recording or what. Bsnes looks and sounds better. I'll definitely try it out sometime.
whythehell99 6 months ago
both versions look like shit, but that has nothing to do with the emulator
pugay69 6 months ago
the dancing made me laugh xD
Busguy 6 months ago
The tearing video is bad in both of them. Did you have vsync and triple buffering enabled? That's probably the thing that annoys me most about emulation!
videogameobsession 6 months ago
@videogameobsession I don't recall, though most likely vsync was not enabled. I 'believe' I used ZSNES' movie recorder for ZSNES, and Camtasia to record bsnes, but I'm not entirely sure. That's something I really don't know anything about, since it's something that I don't notice too much, but if you have any pointers/information, I'd be glad to hear it.
Lateralusticus 6 months ago
@Lateralusticus Thanks for the reply.
As far as pointers I really haven't tried making videos from either of those emulators, but all I can suggest is to make sure both triple buffering and vsync options are checked. It should make the video scrolling much smoother (especially with horizontal scrolling).
videogameobsession 6 months ago
I loled at the dance. Made me think about bollywood and their surrealistic dance clips in all of their movies.
BlackDraco 6 months ago
DO A LITTLE JIG!
I love the sound emulation in bsnes. The timing always felt way off in most games in ZSNES. I'm glad my favourite emulator, Snes9x, decided to use the bsnes sound core too.
Keep doing a great job with this. The emulator may not work well on my crappy lappy, but I really appreciate what you're doing.
DaVince21 6 months ago
Ummm..... so what exactly is the difference between these two other than the "time travel" wave effect looking slightly different?
Sorry, but if I was able to play Chrono Trigger on my 75mhz desktop back in 1999 with zsnes there is no excuse that accuracy needs to cost 2-3ghz quad core systems for a 25 year old console. These kinds of minor issues are EXACTLY what high-level speed and compatibility hacks are for.
The "fast" emu can run 99% of games fine, the rest use high level hacks to run .
CyberAkumaZero 6 months ago
@CyberAkumaZero The music runs at a clearly incorrect pace. You are correct that it'd be much more convenient to implement game-specific hacks to get games to run, but it depends on what your goals are with your emulator. If it's simply to get games running, game-specific hacks are find. But if it's to document the inner workings of the console and preserve it by emulating it to perfection, down to the most minute edge-cases that no game ever utilizes, then game-specific hacks do not belong.
Lateralusticus 6 months ago
@Lateralusticus Understandable, of course if going for preservation or accuracy, one would want the emulator to be as accurate as possible. (Though personally I would think if accuracy and study is that important one should just use the original hardware). But you know just as well as I that most people use emulators to play games, not for study and programming of such accuracy, yet people keep pushing this emulator over ZSNES and SNES9X for even just gaming, which I think is ludicrous.
CyberAkumaZero 6 months ago
@CyberAkumaZero When you want an emulator for gaming, you certainly want it done right. In my opinion, it's definitely worth using an emulator if it actually does things correct so it can play Earthworm Jim 2, Sink or Swim, Air Strike Patrol, Speedy Gonzales, Star Fox, etc. without any major bugs that impair gameplay. ZSNES has problems with these games, and hasn't had a release in years. If bsnes is too powerful, I would certainly recommend a recent version of Snes9x such as 1.53 though.
Lateralusticus 6 months ago
@Lateralusticus I understand wanting to get it done right, but again, its the price vs payoff. For "gaming" rather than study or archival, the other emulators run 95 to 99% of games just fine, to get that 100% you need to jack up the system requirements to a rather insane level. Its just not practical to use bsnes for just plain wanting to play a game, its kinda like how software rendering can look better than any 3D card....... if you have a few petahurtz of networked cpus to do the processing.
CyberAkumaZero 6 months ago
@CyberAkumaZero If you meet the specs, in my opinion it's a worthy investment, as long as you can have a constant 60 fps (or 50 for PAL). Snes9x is improving considerably, actually, and I could recommend it just as well. It's certainly better than ZSNES regarding accurate emulation, and is actually in recent development, instead of no updates for 4 years.
Lateralusticus 6 months ago
@CyberAkumaZero The hardware won't be around forever. Few SNES's exist right now, and they'll only get fewer as time passes and no more will be manufactured. This is gaming history. It needs to be preserved. Of course emulators like bsnes are for purely academic purposes, nobody is going to look down on you if you use a faster one.
Perfectly accurate emulators WANT to preserve everything both about the hardware and the way it ran every game. Every glitch, every bug, every problem included.
Smarty4789 6 months ago
@Smarty4789 Most Atari 2600 units and cartridges are still in fine working order, yet there are PS1 emulators that can't run on modern systems. True that the system won't be around forever, but with how fast computers and their Operating Systems move, unless there is an organization to keep bsnes always running on current operating systems for the sake of archival, the emulator will get outdated long before the systems start becoming rare and hard to find a working one. SNES will outlast bsnes.
CyberAkumaZero 6 months ago
@CyberAkumaZero As bsnes is in very active development, I think that at the very least, it will outlast ZSNES, which is written in assembly. Unless ZSNES 2.0 is actually released, it'll die off soon enough. Whether either will outlast a real SNES is certainly an interesting question, my own is in perfect working order (though my NES needs a new 72-pin connector...)
Lateralusticus 6 months ago
@CyberAkumaZero But no more SNES machines are made and every one that breaks will be lost forever. If in 2021 your computer wont run bsnes any more, if all else fails, just use some virtualization solution to run one of todays operating systems - problem solved! Don't know which PS1 emulator you're talking about, but I bet you can get it running in some sort of virtual machine.
bananadayada 2 days ago
Wow, the music in this game is pretty good! What? You say this is a video comparing emulators?... Anyway, bsnes is my go to emulator for SNES. Keep up the awesome work!
IShotTheCore 6 months ago
the music for this game is awesome!
marrrrrrks 6 months ago
What the fuck? The guy doesn't slide around in bSNES. Is that a flaw or intentional?
MondayNites 6 months ago
@MondayNites Neither. It's not an emulation issue, it's simply that I didn't slide around when making the recording.
Lateralusticus 6 months ago
LET THE DUEL BEGINS!
Stushcinta 6 months ago
im switching to bsnes
mrtea180 7 months ago
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mrtea180 7 months ago
My downloaded games to does not see the Bsnes emulator
İ wonder What should I do?
rubens4141 8 months ago
@rubens4141 bsnes past v072 does not support headered ROM files, and requires .sfc file extensions (for these reasons: byuu (dot) org / bsnes / legacy-formats). Simply run snespurify.exe (if it came in your download) and it will automatically fix all your file extensions and headers, and will still work on all your other SNES emulators. If you'd rather not do that, download bsnes v072 Qt (and bsnes_dll_files.7z) here: mediafire (dot) com / ?50s6p6qqtg9u8
Lateralusticus 7 months ago
Thank you bsnes for exposing how shitty SNES emulators were...
SuperSmashDolls 8 months ago
It's a shame ZSnes lost it's throne after all this time out of development, it's been my favorite emulator (of ALL the consoles) for so long and I've become so attached to the UI... I wish a there would be a ZSnes frontend or whatever made for BSnes to satisfy my emulator nostalgia, lol... Nostalgic about emulator UI's to play my old nostalgic games... Kinda bad right? lol
666Seryan 8 months ago
@666Seryan You could try byuu.org / bzsnes/ βP
Lateralusticus 8 months ago
Am I wrong for liking ZSNES' emulation for all but the last song? Personally, in most cases, I think the faster music is kind of cool.
DarkBones64 10 months ago
@DarkBones64 You aren't supposed to 'dislike' it, but rather realize that the faster music is incorrect. To each their own, would it be okay if an emulator glitch made the end boss of Earthbound have crazy colors that made it look "better"?
Lateralusticus 10 months ago 8
Let the duel begins!
Be attitude for gains!
LegionsOfAnon 10 months ago 2
bSNES is awesome. It is the only SNES emulator I use these days. ZSNES was king 6-8 years ago, but it is dead now; No new release in over 4 years. bSNES has 4 or 5 releases just in 2011 so far, so it is under very active development and is getting better all the time.
Phenylalanin1979 11 months ago 15
@Phenylalanin1979 but aparrently BSNES v.078 doesnt open ANY of my roms beacause there all .smc
Also, there seems to be no way to set the filter to all files....
waddlerobloxxxx 9 months ago
@waddlerobloxxxx Just run the snespurify.exe in the bSNES directory and locate yours ROM/ROMs. Scan and fix and you are good to go. They have been renamed to *.sfc (Super FamiCom) now so bSNES can play them. Happy gaming.
Phenylalanin1979 9 months ago
lol, i liked more the faster tempo in the intro music on zsnes XD
ZedHqX4 1 year ago
Fancy dancing at the end :)
baosen92 1 year ago
I guess this explains why the music in Zsnes sounds a bit different.
aj6666 1 year ago