Two different animals. Nothing against Epic but if your not racing or always worried about speed then the traditional designs can be more playful. It's all about what you want out of a particular design.
this vid concerns me, and fails to really explore the topic. the classic sea kayak was designed for good reason. look into it before posting something that is giving less than half of the story...shame on you. the rocker versus no rocker debate is old hat. its horses for courses...the paddler needs to assess their needs, and conditions, and find a compremise that will suit most situations. this crap is just giving false information.
this is rather ridiculous, those guys are trying really hard to prove stated by tweaking their paddling and even then it does not work all the time that convincingly... ...and it seems to be obvious that less rocker/longer waterline should translate into a faster hull while a pronounced rocker, especially combined with hard chines should excel in maneuverability but even that is not quite true...just look at the hull of a modern sprint K1
and don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to play advocate for any of those too camps, i love both traditonal boats and the surf skis, but if you want to see how surf skis (low rocker boats) slam water when paddling honestly hard then watch this: watch?v=eFotgG_1R8c
Excuse me but the Epic Kayak lost momentum on the waves, whereas the other kayak kept its momentum. Seems to me that the other kayak is more efficient.
For all the people complaining about small waves see 'rough water comparison 2 larger waves' Probably still not big enough for some. The small amount of rocker only causes a problem in big steep following seas where the rudder is high and dry and the boat likes to swop ends.
ANYONE's claim for absolute superiority that is not tailored to the paddler and the primary conditions that the boat will be used in is wrong. Personally I would rather give up a little comfort and/or performance in benign conditions for something I can rely on when things get bad. To each his own.
The pitching up and down is what makes sea kayaking fun. BTW- the upturned bow of the rockered sea kayak will cut through large waves better. Please stop this bashing.
This is not exactly rough water. These are Gentle swells and the paddler is exaggerating the weighting to make the bow lift and splash. Standing waves in a tide race or rebounding waves from cliffs and I much prefer a boat with some rocker.
My first sea kayak had no rocker to it... I'll tell you what, I'd rather go "bobbing over a wave" then trying to paddle thru it any day. If all you paddle in is .5 meter swells, then having no rocker will probably be OK, but put yourself in real, rough water and you'll want the boat with at least a bit of rocker to it!
Notice how the paddler of the romany stopped paddling at a critical moment before going over the swell. That has a lot to do with keeping pressure on the bow over the wave.
I agree, that isn't rough water. The Epic has NO rocker, the other boat has rocker. There is nothing revolutionary about a boat with little or no rocker.
So you found the ideal angle and the ideal spot so you can make a point. So what!
Try both boats in all kinds of conditions in all directions and see which one gets to be your coffin. Hint: try the blue boat first if you wish to try both.
OK, so we ask the guys from Epic to publish some new footage showing their boat in 4 m high and steep waves with feedback from steep rocks.
You will win summer races in friendly conditions with this boat, but it will _not_ handle rough water like a Britboat.
This ad is not only technically wrong. It is also bashing the competition with lies. What about truth in advertising standards? Remember the last words on screen in this film.
Two different animals. Nothing against Epic but if your not racing or always worried about speed then the traditional designs can be more playful. It's all about what you want out of a particular design.
GaryGrzybek 4 months ago
I think I'll sell my Nordkapp and upgrade to an Epic kayak dws
Kuviasuktok 5 months ago
sea kayak ♥
nacionaldeporvida 7 months ago
lets see them try and surf that epic. looks goofy as hell to
1a2b3d 1 year ago
This video = Epic fail!
addapost 1 year ago
the choice is clear: if you want a kayak that looks like a tug boat by an epic!
tippytab 1 year ago
this vid concerns me, and fails to really explore the topic. the classic sea kayak was designed for good reason. look into it before posting something that is giving less than half of the story...shame on you. the rocker versus no rocker debate is old hat. its horses for courses...the paddler needs to assess their needs, and conditions, and find a compremise that will suit most situations. this crap is just giving false information.
sw3210 1 year ago
@sw3210 that was very well put my friend, I agree with you 100%
1a2b3d 1 year ago
@1a2b3d cheers. the truth is out there
sw3210 11 months ago
Epic is a fast boat. Lets throw wind waves on top or swell and maneuver that thing through rocks to a take out.
Not what or who is it made for..?
Have a moderately skilled paddler work with a quartering or beam wind!
Rocker is there for a reason and as most club type paddles are 10 - 15 miles at moderate to slow speed being able to turn trumps speed.
Dissing other boats just annoys most of us.
Alexmcgruer3 2 years ago 4
All the splashing is fun dammit!!! i like it alot. makes me feel all macho and extreme....
ladedk 2 years ago 6
this is rather ridiculous, those guys are trying really hard to prove stated by tweaking their paddling and even then it does not work all the time that convincingly... ...and it seems to be obvious that less rocker/longer waterline should translate into a faster hull while a pronounced rocker, especially combined with hard chines should excel in maneuverability but even that is not quite true...just look at the hull of a modern sprint K1
seahog32 2 years ago
and don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to play advocate for any of those too camps, i love both traditonal boats and the surf skis, but if you want to see how surf skis (low rocker boats) slam water when paddling honestly hard then watch this: watch?v=eFotgG_1R8c
i just hate this kind of false advertisement
seahog32 2 years ago
Excuse me but the Epic Kayak lost momentum on the waves, whereas the other kayak kept its momentum. Seems to me that the other kayak is more efficient.
Eng8492 2 years ago
For all the people complaining about small waves see 'rough water comparison 2 larger waves' Probably still not big enough for some. The small amount of rocker only causes a problem in big steep following seas where the rudder is high and dry and the boat likes to swop ends.
mr1scotty 2 years ago
ANYONE's claim for absolute superiority that is not tailored to the paddler and the primary conditions that the boat will be used in is wrong. Personally I would rather give up a little comfort and/or performance in benign conditions for something I can rely on when things get bad. To each his own.
ODIECOLODIE 2 years ago
The pitching up and down is what makes sea kayaking fun. BTW- the upturned bow of the rockered sea kayak will cut through large waves better. Please stop this bashing.
pamlico140 2 years ago
This is not exactly rough water. These are Gentle swells and the paddler is exaggerating the weighting to make the bow lift and splash. Standing waves in a tide race or rebounding waves from cliffs and I much prefer a boat with some rocker.
SeadartVSG 2 years ago 2
My first sea kayak had no rocker to it... I'll tell you what, I'd rather go "bobbing over a wave" then trying to paddle thru it any day. If all you paddle in is .5 meter swells, then having no rocker will probably be OK, but put yourself in real, rough water and you'll want the boat with at least a bit of rocker to it!
kbsuess 3 years ago 6
For all the critics of Epic please bear in mind the fact that Freya Hoffmeister is paddling an Epic kayak around Australia.
captaintanuki 3 years ago
Not sure how that is relevant.
Notice how the paddler of the romany stopped paddling at a critical moment before going over the swell. That has a lot to do with keeping pressure on the bow over the wave.
kwikle 3 years ago
I agree, that isn't rough water. The Epic has NO rocker, the other boat has rocker. There is nothing revolutionary about a boat with little or no rocker.
pinkandgeek 3 years ago
You call this rough water?
So you found the ideal angle and the ideal spot so you can make a point. So what!
Try both boats in all kinds of conditions in all directions and see which one gets to be your coffin. Hint: try the blue boat first if you wish to try both.
No, the choice is _not_ clear.
moveste 3 years ago
well, it isn't that unsafe.
pamlico140 2 years ago
@pamlico140:
OK, so we ask the guys from Epic to publish some new footage showing their boat in 4 m high and steep waves with feedback from steep rocks.
You will win summer races in friendly conditions with this boat, but it will _not_ handle rough water like a Britboat.
This ad is not only technically wrong. It is also bashing the competition with lies. What about truth in advertising standards? Remember the last words on screen in this film.
moveste 2 years ago