I would not do anything for God or gods. If God is real and almighty then he does not need me to do anything for him/her/it. On the hand if god needs me to do something then it is not god.
Your kinda blaming God for these horrible things that happen, kinda like how media blames musicians for horrible things that happen. People are fucked up end of story.
@Okaruwazashi You don't know, nobody knows anything forsure unless they have experienced it themselves. But people write books and tell stories all the time of things they have expereienced such as meeting with Christ, those meetings are interpreted by the person telling the story. There is no story in the Bible writtin by Christ himself or God so you can never know forsure if God commanded anything. It's kinda like the game telephone, have you ever played that, mssgs get mixd up!
@osodelicious25 Well that's fair enough I guess. I wouldn't say I blame god for these things, but people who think that god did command them should realise that those commands are immoral. I understand now that you don't take the bible as a reflection of god's will, but in that case I guess you're not a Christian?
@818jplaxco The religion commands those terrible acts. It doesn't mean that the religion is responsible for them (at least some terrible things would no doubt happen without religion), but it does reflect badly on that religion of course.
I don't think he (he's biologically male) actually blames the "entire religion" for these acts.
I agree that killing people for God is not only wrong but rather naive and it bothers me that people buy that crap. But whether there is a God or not he'd never specify that someone has to die because the Bible says that he won't, doesn't it? He's supposed to bring justice at the end, but the in-between bit is ours to screw up. Anyway, I am Pastafarist and the Flying Spaghetti Monster would never, ever condone murder in its name. Unless it's justified in which case you kinda have to.
That story about the undiagnosed diabetic girl is just utterly terrible, since I am a diabetic myself. It just proves how entirely idiotic how religious people can be. What kind of a person is your 'God' when he allows something like this to happen? What kind of a person is God if he allows children to suffer with diseases like diabetes, or cancer, or AIDS even?
I'll tell you.
He's beyond being a monster. Nothing more, nothing less.
What you've done is find people who have done horrible things based on misinterpretations of two religions (on the basic concept that God would NEVER command those things according to all (non insane) Christain beliefes and the vast majority of Islamic belife) or incidents where people have done such things and then used faith as an excuse (I.E. they didn't really believe it), coupled with a massively flawed understanding of theology (I.E. the hebrew scriptures are not literal) to end up nowhere
i think zinnia should do a video about jews... well i mean its certainley a new topic that she hasn't said anything about. not that i have anything wrong with jews it would just be interesting to hear what she says about them. but i guess its easier to critisize christianity since it outlaws homosexuality, than it is to critisize judaism which accepts homosexuals
As usual ZJ breaks these quasi-complicated issues into a simple digital paradigm: "yes or no". To me, and to most people I would consider remotely sane the answer is always no, and of course anyone who claimed to have direct communication with God or angels would be considered imbalanced, and if that communication ordered them to commit brutal and heinous acts, we wouldn't simply call them imbalanced, we would call them insane.
You are crazy good at making the same face over and over again. Looking at your thumbnails it's quite eerie how similar your face looks in every thumbnail...
I think the best way to try to prove a point would be to only focus on one religion at a time and explain why it's "bad." Not every Christian is like what you described. You can't take the Bible out of context or else you will not understand what it''s really trying to tell us. I didn't have any faith for the longest time because I only focused on what I thought was "wrong" with each religion before trying to understand it. You did do some decent research to help you make a point though.
@Ashleyyy27 - Taking The Bible , or Koran, out of context ; is being done every day , in every house of worship on the planet.. In Appalachia; a whole religious sect was created out of one sentence :
Mark 16:18:" They will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.” The parishioners handle poisonous snakes as part of the service:and yes; some get bit & die. That's God's word?
@curiousgeorge1940 No, that is not God's word. You cannot base any religious ideas from one verse of the bible. If that's what was meant then it wouldn't have the extra thousand pages. Religion will always be one of the heavy debates. I normally keep my opinion to myself, and maybe I should have this time because I don't want to turn people away from the idea of Christianity.
@Ashleyyy27 I didn't mean that as a sarcastic comment on all religions, or as a rebuttal to your comments. I only mentioned it as just one example of taking religious beliefs to the extreme; at the expense of a total understanding of it's purpose as a guide to living a "moral" life. Your faith and your practices are your choice to make. Your comments and opinions are as valid as anyone else's. Civil debate is always welcome.
In all fairness, if you're dumb enough to believe it's God's word to pick up a venomous snake and that he'll protect you from the venom, you deserve to get bitten and die. This is why I'm completely fine with those kinds of Christians, but adamantly against the kind that try to take away MY rights. If it's your religion, I'm fine with whatever it does to you as long as the rest of us aren't affected.
@TheCeejReturns - Then we are both in the same boat.... as were the Founding Fathers of the USA. Separation of church & state was put there to insure the rights of ALL individual's belief systems - even the lack of a belief in an "organized" religion.
People, just shut up about ZJ misinterpreting the bible, in this case he is referring to the PEOPLE who believe this mention of genocide is proof that anything is "morally acceptable" or "right" when done in the name of יהוה
That's right, I didn't say "GOD" I said יהוה
The original (or at least the closest surviving remnant) of the Judeo-Christian "GOD"So yes, Christians, your god (used here as a common noun) has a name. He is specific to your faith. not everyone believes what you do. okay?
@2012DI No He doesn't. He forbids murder. Many interpretations of that particular commandment twist the original Greek and Hebrew words, but most of them specifically meant the act of murder. And seeing as how God commanded killings left, right, and center, it's easy to see why: It's not murder if God commands you to do it.
lmao the religious become the perfect minions for the higher-ups... since there isn't REALLY a god, they get to pretend they know what this god wants, and they can get their followers to do damn near anything. we'd be much better off without religion, even if it does give people hope or strength. it's just false hope anyway, and the risk is too great.
See, you're quoting old testament, which was before jesus came and died for our sins (as i believe) Back then, if you did so much as steal you had to kill a goat or something to be forgiven of that one sin (origin of scapegoat) Therefore, other religions were dealt with more harshly by God than they are now. Also, christians believe that THEIR sense of morality doesn't matter, that only GOD's opinion matters since you know he created everything and could destroy it all whenever he pleases.
@Zackattack47892, You are right, the OT doesn't even matter anymore, who cares about original sin as the foundation for Christianity? Jesus died and now we can break all the rules! It's not as though he suffered the punishment but still wanted us to abide by his father's rules.
@WorldSansReligion I'm not saying he didn't want us to abide by the rules of God, im just saying that we aren't punished so harshly because Jesus died on the cross. If we committed minor crimes, we made sacrifices, if we were just downright rebellious, we were hunted down and killed. We don't have to sacrifice anymore because Jesus was that sacrifice. God can teach through the old testament just as much as the new, so it all matters, other religions just aren't hunted down and killed anymore.
@Zackattack47892, ah the death of an innocent man vs. small animals, much better. Good thing he died for us then, i certainly wouldn't like the other punishment that god gives us.
How to be merciful;
Create imaginary crimes
Demand death penalty
Refuse to forgive until someone is killed
Kill innocent person.
Forgive all who accept your offer,
Wow, beautiful, if only this sky daddy was powerful and all loving enough to skip steps one through four.
@WorldSansReligion damn your on youtube alot, but anyways, i think your selfish enough to answer this question. What would you do if you were a supreme being and created an entire universe with a planet (or planets) of people just like you. Ok, you being the supreme being let them live in paradise and you set one simple rule, they break it. You set more rules they break them too, eventually you have a billion little bastards who think they're better than you in a big pile in hell which was made
@Zackattack47892 by another bastard that thought he was better than you. Your son, being the one being as powerful as you volunteers to sacrifice himself for the little buttholes. You being MERCIFUL, let him, because you're tired of sending so many people to hell. In short, you would consider yourself being merciful if you could just destroy the entire universe whenever you wanted.
@Zackattack47892, I probably wouldn't have a rule saying you can't eat from a tree. Being omniscient, I also may have had the foresight to see my creations disobeying me. By his son you mean himself. And he could think of no better way to address this issue, than to come to earth and have a bloody sacrifice to offer himself to himself? How does merciful equate to letting someone suffer? Furthermore the effectiveness of this hypothetical sacrifice, is naught...
@Zackattack47892, as it's only mercifully saving 70% of the world, only if they choose to follow something that can in no way be proven. Only if they deny their reasoning skills and operate under the assumption that a simple 2,000 year old book, that says the sun revolves the earth, is correct. Only if you spend ~77 years worshiping him, then you could then spend eternity doing the same. Next time you are in fairy tale land, could you pick up a unicorn for me?
@WorldSansReligion If im in fairy tale land than why am i part of 70% compared to your 30. Look, i don't have a problem with you or this woman/man whatever's religious beliefs. So, im not going to waste another comment trying to convince you fairy tale land is true. But i will say that you have to have faith. You won't understand and niether will alot of other people, so im not going to waste my time.
@Zackattack47892 You didn't answer any of the videos questions outright... BUT you DID say that Xians believe their own sense of morality doesn't matter - its god's opinion. I find THAT terrifying and damn depressing... So if I understand you correctly you are saying you would do anything if you thought it was god's will?
All these crimes committed in the name of god because god told them to kind of reminds me of schizophrenia, actually it seems to exactly be schizophrenia.
@JamesThWilliams Yeah, notice how any new times where people claim to have come into contact with God are generally diagnosed with some form of schizophrenia or other mental illness? Makes one wonder whether or not the other people who were said to have been spoken to directly by God where also mentally ill, but were not able to be diagnosed back in those days where people didn't know about that sort of thing. I'm not saying this is true/fact either, but it is worth thinking about.
@JamesThWilliams That's the scary thing about religion. If a schizophrenic is enough of a zealot to see Jesus, angels or god when they start hallucinating; their fellow church-goers will reinforce their head trips. The bible will reinforce their head trips... blind faith is DANGEROUS for ALL of us! We gotta live in the same cities as these whack-jobs!
I like zeus and hercules as deities more than "god" and "jesus".
Why? Because if I HAVE to believe in an ivisible man in the sky with a half human son,I'm gonna pick the father/son team that kicks ass and takes names. NOBODY would have had the balls to try and crucify hercules. Jesus didn't even say "no".
God,if you are listening.Please do something because there are some things that we,as humans,cannot do.Are you the type of God who has the "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" mentality?
To the agnostics who say, "If god were proven true, would you worship him?" What is the obsession with "worship"? I don't think it makes sense to worship. If Yahweh of the Bible really existed, I would want nothing to do with him. If God were indeed some wonderful kind being, I don't think worship applies either. I could love a kind being, but I don't get this concept of worship. I do not love anything that has to do with oppression of human beings or other atrocities against living beings.
I love your videos, you make some of the most amazing and intellectual points I've heard.
On a side note though, completely unrelated to anything present - If a god, in any shape or form, was proven today or tomorrow, would you still question it, or fall to the floor in praise? --From a friendly neighbourhood Agnostic. ^_^
@SandPaperCookies - If God was proven to exist, I would openly invite him to force me to believe in him if he was all powerful, because I would never willingly praise or worship such an egomaniacal, megalomaniacal, sadistic and morally corrupt being.
@SandPaperCookies I pondered over your question and thought I'd share my answer: if there was irrefutable proof that there was a god, I wouldn't question his (or her, or their) existence, but rather I would try to get to know this god better to see what he's all about. I wouldn't necessarily worship this god either - instead I'd decide for myself whether or not to follow this god (assuming he wanted people to follow him). Good question btw :)
@blue4arekkusu Thank you for your input, and reply - but in a moment, like this hypothetical one I'll state, where you have 10 seconds to make a decision, do you think you would have time to think rationally, or would you just blindly follow, to take the 50/50 chance shot at a good choice.
@SandPaperCookies hmmm now that's a really good question! Gee I'm not sure... if I had a 50/50 chance and only 10 seconds to decide, I'd probably go for the not following him option. If I ended up being wrong, I could at least live the rest of my life however I wanted. I find this better than being wrong about following god, and ending up having to follow his rules for the rest of my life. But this is assuming being wrong about not following is better than being wrong about following.
@blue4arekkusu Yes, I agree with you, to a point, I may or may not choose to follow this god, because I wouldn't know whether or not there would be life without following, just as there's no law in anarchy, maybe there's too much strife to be had with in trying to persue a life with no hierarchy, nothing to follow, just a scrambled democracy, if you will.
Also, since you mentioned witchcraft persecutions, an interesting tidbit I at least wasn't aware of till very recently. . .postmenopausal woman were burned as witches because it was unnatural. . .the very idea that something which happens eventually to everyone if they're around long enough was cause in itself for persecution? {shakes head}
We focus on "if God exists" but if something is wrong (such as genocide) it doesn't make it right because the most powerful being says it is. . .you gotta stand for what is right (even if it's against a god). In a somewhat similar way, when it comes to the morality of abortion people focus on whether the fetus is a human or a person (but heck we kill people, be it execution, war, etc) we need to move the argument beyond "does God exist" and "is the fetus deserving of personhood"
@TransexualTriumphs What gets me is the American religious right. They are against abortion AND welfare. WTF??? If your going to make women have babies they can't afford - then F'n help her out!!! Also, they support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan... but murdering something the size of a walnut is wrong... There heads are so far up their asses I just wanna ask what their stomach lining tastes like...
LOL typical Chistian. Throwing childish homophobic insults because you're too dumb to think of good answers. Lz pwns all you backwards bible-thumpers.
Wow, thanks for taking a bible quote way out of context. Also, no one takes you seriously you are dressed as a girl, there are obviously some underlying issues regarding why you feel the need to draw such an incredible amount of attention to yourself by dressing as the opposite sex. I doubt you would dress that way and talk about the things you obviously know little about if no one reacted to it. Maybe you should try actually trying to achieve something instead of just attacking others.
@nickislarge Do you have answers to any of his questions are do you just want to display what your "loving, caring creator" has taught you by bashing him without any point?
If god where real, I don't think I would carry my wife's purse if she asked. Nope couldn't do it. (I would not carry a 'European Hand Bag for men’ or anything of that sort either, just to close all the loopholes)
...don't read what ppl write In books that they call.. bible or whatever.. or what did happen or did not.. in the past .. if god is real and i belive so.. he never told ppl what to do or what to say.. ppl do that in his name..ppl think they know what or who god is, they dont .. if i kill ppl and say god told me to. omg how lame are you to belive that..all wat hapend in past is ppl doing not gods..will or call it whatever you want.. I belvie that there must be somthing,somthing greather then us..
I'm an Atheist, but if god were real, I wouldn't do shit for him. I don't care what he could threaten me with, he sounds like a bully and a psychotic. I wouldn't humour his demands.
@foreverdreamer2012 Honestly, there's no reason to believe the bible provides any actual answers rather than just making things up, any more than any other religious text contains valid answers instead of fiction. Besides, if a god can exist eternally in some extra-universal realm where this is possible, surely it would also be possible for the universe to exist forever, or spring forth from nothing.
@foreverdreamer2012 It seems more likely that you just want there to be a god, for whatever reason. Without any evidence of one, it looks like it needs a lot of fragile, faulty logic to prop it up. I'm sure you don't believe in Zeus, or Thor, or Shiva. There's no reason to. The same applies to your god as well.
@foreverdreamer2012 That's nice and all, but when you're dying and expecting to be swept up into the afterlife of whichever god you've spent your life believing in, you'll be sorely disappointed to find yourself staring into nothing but a void of obliteration. If you're lucky, you won't have time to fully comprehend this before you pass into oblivion. Good luck.
I don't think she'd be able to be disappointed because she's gone for good? wouldn't she? :) there's nothing to lose for her, but on the other hand, for you.... ohh Pascal's wager is a pain the you know what.
Yeah, at least it's a 50/50 chance there.... but you're even more screwed, you have a 0 chance. :p and by the way Allah's hell isn't forever, it's temporary so I'll be alright, but I'm not so sure about infidels. Islam is alot more friendly to abrahamic religions than atheists.
@ogirv101 From what I understand Islam considers anyone who is not Muslim to be infidels - that is the whole problem with the entire middle east and Israel (who also follow an Abrahamic faith)... so no. Islam views Jews and Christians the same way they do Atheists - as infidels.
@foreverdreamer2012 You should be ashamed of the way you speak in this comment. We can argue all we like about who is right and wrong but it speaks volumes when one side typically tends to wish great harm upon the person that disagrees with them. Your insult can easily be turned around on you. I could say for example, "Go deny some more reality to refrain from filling that empty space in your head." but that wouldn't be very nice now would it? ;)
Wait. no evidence for God? So fine tuning is flawed? the ontological, teleolgoical, and transcendental arguments are all wrong? you haven't explained yourself. you're making statements and assuming them true, bare assertion fallacy. as for Zeus, Thor, or Shiva. What do they have anything to do with God? They're anthropomorphic conceptions.
Why is fine tuning flawed? You just make bare assertion fallacies without explaining yourself. and as for God, he is not an anthropocentric conception because it does not violate the methdological naturalism that Science uses. Nature isn't attributed to the divine, rather the origin of nature itself is attributed to the divine, losing the anthropomorphic conception. wow, you're difficult. :/
Try google. There's a great paper on that very subject on the secular web called "On universes and firing squads" by Michael Hurben. Some quick points are is that we have no basis for declaring something to be fine tuned due to observation because our existence necessitates conditions that allow us to exist being present(Weak anthropic principle). We also have no basis for statistical arguments due to ignorance about number of trials.
I'm not making a statistical argument through comparison of other systems, so that point is flawed. second of all, the weak anthropic principle is flawed in itself, it assumes that because something happened that therefore there's a 100% probability of it cause it only happened once. That is following the inverse gambler's fallacy. I'm not saying the Universe was finely tuned for life, rather tuned to exist in the first place.
@ogirv101 And, of course, it's absurd to suggest that a universe as big as what we have is fine tuned for human life. Almost all of it appears to be vacuum and dead planets. Even most of the earth is hostile to human life. If your god doesn't violate methodological naturalism - that means you claim that he does absolutely nothing, in which case he is useless, and certainly not one of the Abrahamic gods - they all interact with the world and violate natural law.
Just because God does not violate methdological naturalism, does not mean he does nothing. It means he cannot break natural phenomenon or interfere directly. He may interfere through nature, and indirectly by many natural means.
@ogirv101 "as for Zeus, Thor, or Shiva. What do they have anything to do with God?" Weren't they conceived as "Gods", They have everything to do with god..... If you went back to ancient Greece and told everyone Zeus was not a god, and that he was not real, would they not throw your point back at you in a different way. How can you justify the existence of one mythical being and at the same time say that another one held in the same position as your god never existed?
@ogirv101 - Fine-tuning doesn't take into account the fact that, had the universe not been fine-tuned, we wouldn't know baou tit.
The ontological argument, while the a priori reasoning *appears* sound, there is no real justification for the God concept in the first place, it only seeks to support an already-existing theory, not show that there is a valid source for that theory.
The teleological argument fails to address the nature of a possible "creator", and can only support deism.
@ogirv101 - (Cont) - And the teleological argument can hardly even support deism; the argument from supposed design is much better remedied by natural selection.
The transcendental argument I shall have to research. Thank you for introducing a new term to me.
Your God is as much an anthropomorphic conception as all the other Gods are. The only difference is, not as many people realise it.
@foreverdreamer2012 "YOU DON'T WANT there to be a GOD." Everything you talk about in this comment is a projection of your own flaws. You WANT there to be a god because the idea of god existing gives you comfort and meaning. Belief in god is enslavement and the nullification of our natural intelligence. Not freedom. Freedom is what the atheist chooses. We concern ourselves with truth. Where lies persist we will expose them. We spend our time on it because it is important.
God wouldn't require a designer because he's a necessary and perfect being not contingent like the Universe. and you're just maing an assumption there.
By his definition God is necessary, also I'm not saying he's necessary I'm saying necessary in the philosophical sense that he is not contingent, his existence by definition is dependent from the existence of something else, the Universe itself isn't by definition. Don't confuse terms for their philosophical terms for the colloquial use of the word.
Hm. I'm tired of my religion (Asatru) being referred to as Nordic Mythology while Christians, Jews, and Muslims get to be have there stories called 'Faith'. From now on, I'm calling them Abrahamic Mythology. Blam.
Studying things and then following paths that felt right. I've explored everything from druidism and wicca all the way to Islam. The only one that held my interest for a long time was Asatru. And Discordianism.
Congrats on the awards, Zinnie.
bryanttillman 2 months ago
Thumbs up if you clicked this video cuz the picture made you laugh..!
superrrnikkiii 2 months ago
I would not do anything for God or gods. If God is real and almighty then he does not need me to do anything for him/her/it. On the hand if god needs me to do something then it is not god.
MarekK64 3 months ago
Your kinda blaming God for these horrible things that happen, kinda like how media blames musicians for horrible things that happen. People are fucked up end of story.
osodelicious25 3 months ago
@osodelicious25 According to the bible, god commanded these things.
Okaruwazashi 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Okaruwazashi once again God didn't write the Bible ;)
osodelicious25 2 months ago
@osodelicious25 Then how do you know whether god wanted those things to happen or not?
Okaruwazashi 2 months ago
@Okaruwazashi You don't know, nobody knows anything forsure unless they have experienced it themselves. But people write books and tell stories all the time of things they have expereienced such as meeting with Christ, those meetings are interpreted by the person telling the story. There is no story in the Bible writtin by Christ himself or God so you can never know forsure if God commanded anything. It's kinda like the game telephone, have you ever played that, mssgs get mixd up!
osodelicious25 2 months ago
@osodelicious25 Well that's fair enough I guess. I wouldn't say I blame god for these things, but people who think that god did command them should realise that those commands are immoral. I understand now that you don't take the bible as a reflection of god's will, but in that case I guess you're not a Christian?
Okaruwazashi 2 months ago
Blaming acts of certain people on an entire religion is fucking stupid. I don't think all females are idiots because u are
818jplaxco 3 months ago
@818jplaxco The religion commands those terrible acts. It doesn't mean that the religion is responsible for them (at least some terrible things would no doubt happen without religion), but it does reflect badly on that religion of course.
I don't think he (he's biologically male) actually blames the "entire religion" for these acts.
Okaruwazashi 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
More Importantly. What wouldn't you do for a klondike bar?
naturalistmind 3 months ago in playlist More videos from ZJemptv
I think that the examples you stated are against what my God would want me to do, God would not ask someone to do anything against His will.
snoopval 4 months ago
@snoopval "His" will? Did you just say God would not ask someone to do something against God's will?
Ummmm.... I sure hope not?
JoshReed0 4 months ago
The only thing I would do for God is to befriend God... That's it. Nothing else...
Xel963 5 months ago
@Xel963 He's a pretty bad friend
Nanosempai 3 months ago
@Nanosempai Most likely but I'll feel that I was the better man by at lest trying...
Xel963 3 months ago
I agree that killing people for God is not only wrong but rather naive and it bothers me that people buy that crap. But whether there is a God or not he'd never specify that someone has to die because the Bible says that he won't, doesn't it? He's supposed to bring justice at the end, but the in-between bit is ours to screw up. Anyway, I am Pastafarist and the Flying Spaghetti Monster would never, ever condone murder in its name. Unless it's justified in which case you kinda have to.
Vortex289 5 months ago
That story about the undiagnosed diabetic girl is just utterly terrible, since I am a diabetic myself. It just proves how entirely idiotic how religious people can be. What kind of a person is your 'God' when he allows something like this to happen? What kind of a person is God if he allows children to suffer with diseases like diabetes, or cancer, or AIDS even?
I'll tell you.
He's beyond being a monster. Nothing more, nothing less.
LokaTheDog 5 months ago
What you've done is find people who have done horrible things based on misinterpretations of two religions (on the basic concept that God would NEVER command those things according to all (non insane) Christain beliefes and the vast majority of Islamic belife) or incidents where people have done such things and then used faith as an excuse (I.E. they didn't really believe it), coupled with a massively flawed understanding of theology (I.E. the hebrew scriptures are not literal) to end up nowhere
Llywellyn94 5 months ago
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If God asked me to kill my child, I'd stop using LSD.
Sportyak67 6 months ago
I have another question for the people ticking yes to those questions.
Are you by any chance a Natzi?
way2jaded1 6 months ago
Young Socrates... Awesome!
Yasha39 6 months ago
murder is what god accepts because he made us ants,,,so lets go smash somemore ants , big, smaller and smaller!
ricglos 6 months ago
I wouldn't do a damn thing for God ZJ.
trumpet603 6 months ago
I'm sorry, I cannot give this video a thumbs up. Thematically it is too derivative of "What would you do for a Klondike Bar?".
GlorifiedTruth 7 months ago
@GlorifiedTruth
Now that's funny...
Yasha39 6 months ago
@GlorifiedTruth
huh for your statement to make sense there would have to be a reward offered. A metaphorical klondike bar so what is this reward?
way2jaded1 6 months ago
@GlorifiedTruth I'd do more for a klondike bar than I would for god.
IntoTheMind91 6 months ago
@IntoTheMind91 - Hmm, bully for you, I guess.
GlorifiedTruth 6 months ago
If god asked me to kill my child, I'd stop using LSD.
minusRobert 7 months ago 19
i think zinnia should do a video about jews... well i mean its certainley a new topic that she hasn't said anything about. not that i have anything wrong with jews it would just be interesting to hear what she says about them. but i guess its easier to critisize christianity since it outlaws homosexuality, than it is to critisize judaism which accepts homosexuals
thewhatsit104 7 months ago
@thewhatsit104 - Interesting idea ... last part is wrong: go read the old testament instead of guessing what it says.
curiousgeorge1940 7 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 really i thought that was only orthodox jews.
thewhatsit104 7 months ago
Chopin!
blarghwastaken 8 months ago
As usual ZJ breaks these quasi-complicated issues into a simple digital paradigm: "yes or no". To me, and to most people I would consider remotely sane the answer is always no, and of course anyone who claimed to have direct communication with God or angels would be considered imbalanced, and if that communication ordered them to commit brutal and heinous acts, we wouldn't simply call them imbalanced, we would call them insane.
MrChefMac 8 months ago
Your sunglasses are too distracting! I see my reflection reflected back at me and it's a computer. I'm.... I'm not a computer.
calistman222 8 months ago
.. When God starts talking to me ... Like those TV evangelists that will "save" you ( but only after your check clears ) ...
- my first act will be a trip to the audiologist !
- second : have a nice cool glass of wine ...
- third : back to YouTube and listen to more fun stuff !
curiousgeorge1940 9 months ago
half of me is logic, and the other half believes in religious nonsense, it's like you're half-vulcan- half-human, you know.
AyeSkyeTech 9 months ago
Rosie Jones , collect all the bigots in one place and have a genocide.
Abrahamoronics is dead. And I love you.
azzy314159 9 months ago
jesus is christ!
jdrumm1313 9 months ago
You are crazy good at making the same face over and over again. Looking at your thumbnails it's quite eerie how similar your face looks in every thumbnail...
BeautyBoyTV 10 months ago
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IT'S A TRAP.
SickTwistedFreak777 10 months ago
IT'S A TRAP.
SickTwistedFreak777 10 months ago
I think the best way to try to prove a point would be to only focus on one religion at a time and explain why it's "bad." Not every Christian is like what you described. You can't take the Bible out of context or else you will not understand what it''s really trying to tell us. I didn't have any faith for the longest time because I only focused on what I thought was "wrong" with each religion before trying to understand it. You did do some decent research to help you make a point though.
Ashleyyy27 10 months ago
@Ashleyyy27 - Taking The Bible , or Koran, out of context ; is being done every day , in every house of worship on the planet.. In Appalachia; a whole religious sect was created out of one sentence :
Mark 16:18:" They will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.” The parishioners handle poisonous snakes as part of the service:and yes; some get bit & die. That's God's word?
curiousgeorge1940 9 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940 No, that is not God's word. You cannot base any religious ideas from one verse of the bible. If that's what was meant then it wouldn't have the extra thousand pages. Religion will always be one of the heavy debates. I normally keep my opinion to myself, and maybe I should have this time because I don't want to turn people away from the idea of Christianity.
Ashleyyy27 9 months ago
@Ashleyyy27 I didn't mean that as a sarcastic comment on all religions, or as a rebuttal to your comments. I only mentioned it as just one example of taking religious beliefs to the extreme; at the expense of a total understanding of it's purpose as a guide to living a "moral" life. Your faith and your practices are your choice to make. Your comments and opinions are as valid as anyone else's. Civil debate is always welcome.
curiousgeorge1940 9 months ago
@curiousgeorge1940
In all fairness, if you're dumb enough to believe it's God's word to pick up a venomous snake and that he'll protect you from the venom, you deserve to get bitten and die. This is why I'm completely fine with those kinds of Christians, but adamantly against the kind that try to take away MY rights. If it's your religion, I'm fine with whatever it does to you as long as the rest of us aren't affected.
TheCeejReturns 8 months ago
@TheCeejReturns - Then we are both in the same boat.... as were the Founding Fathers of the USA. Separation of church & state was put there to insure the rights of ALL individual's belief systems - even the lack of a belief in an "organized" religion.
curiousgeorge1940 8 months ago
@HaakonTheViking
I did like it! Haha!
TheLogicStick 8 months ago
Nice Glasses :D
UnreachStars 10 months ago
People, just shut up about ZJ misinterpreting the bible, in this case he is referring to the PEOPLE who believe this mention of genocide is proof that anything is "morally acceptable" or "right" when done in the name of יהוה
That's right, I didn't say "GOD" I said יהוה
The original (or at least the closest surviving remnant) of the Judeo-Christian "GOD"So yes, Christians, your god (used here as a common noun) has a name. He is specific to your faith. not everyone believes what you do. okay?
LuminOfMoonlight 1 year ago
Daaaamn! The comments on this video made me slap my forehead so many times I think I made a dent ;D
Revellica 1 year ago 14
you freak me out a lil :P but rlly interesting texts.. i like
SuperMultiQ 1 year ago
fag!
rayjt17 1 year ago
Well, One thing, Listen to Justin Beiber.
abooood95 1 year ago
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DarwinsChihuahua 1 year ago
God forbids killing
2012DI 1 year ago
@2012DI No He doesn't. He forbids murder. Many interpretations of that particular commandment twist the original Greek and Hebrew words, but most of them specifically meant the act of murder. And seeing as how God commanded killings left, right, and center, it's easy to see why: It's not murder if God commands you to do it.
IlGreven 1 year ago
@IlGreven Murder or killing, it's wrong to take the life of another human being PERIOD. Even if God commands it. And even if he is God. It's wrong.
Gamenerd1991 1 year ago
@Gamenerd1991 Thumbs up, I fully agree.
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CyberrPolice 1 year ago
Not diabeetus!
DarthXantumal 1 year ago
@DarthXantumal That was really uncalled for, and completely insensitive.
PsychoticTragedy 1 year ago
lmao the religious become the perfect minions for the higher-ups... since there isn't REALLY a god, they get to pretend they know what this god wants, and they can get their followers to do damn near anything. we'd be much better off without religion, even if it does give people hope or strength. it's just false hope anyway, and the risk is too great.
NyanNyan500 1 year ago
Gross.
TheKrissyboucata 1 year ago
yes, yes (over 9000), yes, yes, yes.
Simply because god saids so, saids right on the holy book.
MaxBlight 1 year ago
@behindertesau, You've really got some basis for your argument.
WorldSansReligion 1 year ago
I nuked every person who isn't a pastapharian because the flying spaghetti monster told me to.
airsoftoverkills 1 year ago 2
Woman Challenging Zakir Naik on Polygamy four 4 Marrige Of A Muslim Men In Islam
cure4atheism 1 year ago
I believe you do not make a valid point. I love it when you pull verses out of context! IT IS AMAZING LMAO
JZomerlei2013 1 year ago
@JZomerlei2013 pulling things out of context?it`s funny you brought that up xD
DudeIAmAPsy 1 year ago
@Zjemptv I think you should read the book Mere Christianity and make a video about it.
JustCallMeBri 1 year ago
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JustCallMeBri 1 year ago
See, you're quoting old testament, which was before jesus came and died for our sins (as i believe) Back then, if you did so much as steal you had to kill a goat or something to be forgiven of that one sin (origin of scapegoat) Therefore, other religions were dealt with more harshly by God than they are now. Also, christians believe that THEIR sense of morality doesn't matter, that only GOD's opinion matters since you know he created everything and could destroy it all whenever he pleases.
Zackattack47892 1 year ago
@Zackattack47892, You are right, the OT doesn't even matter anymore, who cares about original sin as the foundation for Christianity? Jesus died and now we can break all the rules! It's not as though he suffered the punishment but still wanted us to abide by his father's rules.
WorldSansReligion 1 year ago
@WorldSansReligion I'm not saying he didn't want us to abide by the rules of God, im just saying that we aren't punished so harshly because Jesus died on the cross. If we committed minor crimes, we made sacrifices, if we were just downright rebellious, we were hunted down and killed. We don't have to sacrifice anymore because Jesus was that sacrifice. God can teach through the old testament just as much as the new, so it all matters, other religions just aren't hunted down and killed anymore.
Zackattack47892 1 year ago
@Zackattack47892, ah the death of an innocent man vs. small animals, much better. Good thing he died for us then, i certainly wouldn't like the other punishment that god gives us.
How to be merciful;
Create imaginary crimes
Demand death penalty
Refuse to forgive until someone is killed
Kill innocent person.
Forgive all who accept your offer,
Wow, beautiful, if only this sky daddy was powerful and all loving enough to skip steps one through four.
WorldSansReligion 1 year ago
@WorldSansReligion damn your on youtube alot, but anyways, i think your selfish enough to answer this question. What would you do if you were a supreme being and created an entire universe with a planet (or planets) of people just like you. Ok, you being the supreme being let them live in paradise and you set one simple rule, they break it. You set more rules they break them too, eventually you have a billion little bastards who think they're better than you in a big pile in hell which was made
Zackattack47892 1 year ago
@Zackattack47892 by another bastard that thought he was better than you. Your son, being the one being as powerful as you volunteers to sacrifice himself for the little buttholes. You being MERCIFUL, let him, because you're tired of sending so many people to hell. In short, you would consider yourself being merciful if you could just destroy the entire universe whenever you wanted.
Zackattack47892 1 year ago
@Zackattack47892, I probably wouldn't have a rule saying you can't eat from a tree. Being omniscient, I also may have had the foresight to see my creations disobeying me. By his son you mean himself. And he could think of no better way to address this issue, than to come to earth and have a bloody sacrifice to offer himself to himself? How does merciful equate to letting someone suffer? Furthermore the effectiveness of this hypothetical sacrifice, is naught...
WorldSansReligion 1 year ago
@Zackattack47892, as it's only mercifully saving 70% of the world, only if they choose to follow something that can in no way be proven. Only if they deny their reasoning skills and operate under the assumption that a simple 2,000 year old book, that says the sun revolves the earth, is correct. Only if you spend ~77 years worshiping him, then you could then spend eternity doing the same. Next time you are in fairy tale land, could you pick up a unicorn for me?
WorldSansReligion 1 year ago
@WorldSansReligion If im in fairy tale land than why am i part of 70% compared to your 30. Look, i don't have a problem with you or this woman/man whatever's religious beliefs. So, im not going to waste another comment trying to convince you fairy tale land is true. But i will say that you have to have faith. You won't understand and niether will alot of other people, so im not going to waste my time.
Zackattack47892 1 year ago
@Zackattack47892 Since Jesus died other religions weren't hunted down and killed? You read history? Please explain.
Revellica 1 year ago
@Zackattack47892 Why is the old testament still in the Bible if it doesn't count for anything any more?
Spamphie 1 year ago
@Spamphie
Because people pick and choose what they want to believe at their convenience because they are weak minded and pathetic.
Cydialz 11 months ago
@Zackattack47892 You didn't answer any of the videos questions outright... BUT you DID say that Xians believe their own sense of morality doesn't matter - its god's opinion. I find THAT terrifying and damn depressing... So if I understand you correctly you are saying you would do anything if you thought it was god's will?
Revellica 1 year ago
All these crimes committed in the name of god because god told them to kind of reminds me of schizophrenia, actually it seems to exactly be schizophrenia.
JamesThWilliams 1 year ago
@JamesThWilliams Yeah, notice how any new times where people claim to have come into contact with God are generally diagnosed with some form of schizophrenia or other mental illness? Makes one wonder whether or not the other people who were said to have been spoken to directly by God where also mentally ill, but were not able to be diagnosed back in those days where people didn't know about that sort of thing. I'm not saying this is true/fact either, but it is worth thinking about.
Spamphie 1 year ago
@JamesThWilliams That's the scary thing about religion. If a schizophrenic is enough of a zealot to see Jesus, angels or god when they start hallucinating; their fellow church-goers will reinforce their head trips. The bible will reinforce their head trips... blind faith is DANGEROUS for ALL of us! We gotta live in the same cities as these whack-jobs!
Revellica 1 year ago
If God told me to jump off a bridge I'd tell him to go blow the devil.
georgekostaras 1 year ago 28
How many ostrich's died for that .....er...that?
tonee127 1 year ago
I like zeus and hercules as deities more than "god" and "jesus".
Why? Because if I HAVE to believe in an ivisible man in the sky with a half human son,I'm gonna pick the father/son team that kicks ass and takes names. NOBODY would have had the balls to try and crucify hercules. Jesus didn't even say "no".
XuliusCaesar 1 year ago 2
God,if you are listening.Please do something because there are some things that we,as humans,cannot do.Are you the type of God who has the "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" mentality?
liw213 1 year ago
To the agnostics who say, "If god were proven true, would you worship him?" What is the obsession with "worship"? I don't think it makes sense to worship. If Yahweh of the Bible really existed, I would want nothing to do with him. If God were indeed some wonderful kind being, I don't think worship applies either. I could love a kind being, but I don't get this concept of worship. I do not love anything that has to do with oppression of human beings or other atrocities against living beings.
pauswa1966 1 year ago 3
Your headline says it all.."stop defending genocide." Your right, we should have started one year prior to your birth, fruit cake!
punkyfunbunch 1 year ago
I love your videos, you make some of the most amazing and intellectual points I've heard.
On a side note though, completely unrelated to anything present - If a god, in any shape or form, was proven today or tomorrow, would you still question it, or fall to the floor in praise? --From a friendly neighbourhood Agnostic. ^_^
SandPaperCookies 1 year ago 4
@SandPaperCookies - If God was proven to exist, I would openly invite him to force me to believe in him if he was all powerful, because I would never willingly praise or worship such an egomaniacal, megalomaniacal, sadistic and morally corrupt being.
FibonaziProductions 1 year ago
@SandPaperCookies I pondered over your question and thought I'd share my answer: if there was irrefutable proof that there was a god, I wouldn't question his (or her, or their) existence, but rather I would try to get to know this god better to see what he's all about. I wouldn't necessarily worship this god either - instead I'd decide for myself whether or not to follow this god (assuming he wanted people to follow him). Good question btw :)
blue4arekkusu 1 year ago
@blue4arekkusu Thank you for your input, and reply - but in a moment, like this hypothetical one I'll state, where you have 10 seconds to make a decision, do you think you would have time to think rationally, or would you just blindly follow, to take the 50/50 chance shot at a good choice.
SandPaperCookies 1 year ago
@SandPaperCookies hmmm now that's a really good question! Gee I'm not sure... if I had a 50/50 chance and only 10 seconds to decide, I'd probably go for the not following him option. If I ended up being wrong, I could at least live the rest of my life however I wanted. I find this better than being wrong about following god, and ending up having to follow his rules for the rest of my life. But this is assuming being wrong about not following is better than being wrong about following.
blue4arekkusu 1 year ago
@blue4arekkusu Yes, I agree with you, to a point, I may or may not choose to follow this god, because I wouldn't know whether or not there would be life without following, just as there's no law in anarchy, maybe there's too much strife to be had with in trying to persue a life with no hierarchy, nothing to follow, just a scrambled democracy, if you will.
SandPaperCookies 1 year ago
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@SandPaperCookies "If a god was proven, would you still question it or fall to the floor in praise?"
Why do I have to fall to the floor in praise? Can't I just say "Oh hey, how's it goin? What's up with all these crazy monkeys yo?"
"10 seconds to make a decision"
I would assume I was hallucinating for some reason and make a doctor's appointment.
Revellica 1 year ago
there is no god, im glade you are telling the truth to people, but you are way to smart for anyone who thinks god is real to understand you.
lpslostagain 1 year ago 2
Wait, so the guy gave the abortion doctor an abortion? o;
And, @ all the other ones;
No,
No,
No,
and, That's horrible.
Lol All of these should be no xD....
2MANNYNUMB3RS 1 year ago
looks like aliens have landed
imtonasty 1 year ago
Also, since you mentioned witchcraft persecutions, an interesting tidbit I at least wasn't aware of till very recently. . .postmenopausal woman were burned as witches because it was unnatural. . .the very idea that something which happens eventually to everyone if they're around long enough was cause in itself for persecution? {shakes head}
TransexualTriumphs 1 year ago
@TransexualTriumphs "postmenopausal woman were burned"
THAT IS F'D UP!!!! I didn't know that - something to add to my list of "Retarded History".
Revellica 1 year ago
We focus on "if God exists" but if something is wrong (such as genocide) it doesn't make it right because the most powerful being says it is. . .you gotta stand for what is right (even if it's against a god). In a somewhat similar way, when it comes to the morality of abortion people focus on whether the fetus is a human or a person (but heck we kill people, be it execution, war, etc) we need to move the argument beyond "does God exist" and "is the fetus deserving of personhood"
TransexualTriumphs 1 year ago 2
@TransexualTriumphs
This. Might does not make right, and if god does exist I want nothing to do with him.
thewittyzuchini 1 year ago
@TransexualTriumphs What gets me is the American religious right. They are against abortion AND welfare. WTF??? If your going to make women have babies they can't afford - then F'n help her out!!! Also, they support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan... but murdering something the size of a walnut is wrong... There heads are so far up their asses I just wanna ask what their stomach lining tastes like...
Revellica 1 year ago
@nickislarge
LOL typical Chistian. Throwing childish homophobic insults because you're too dumb to think of good answers. Lz pwns all you backwards bible-thumpers.
ButItSureIsFun6949 1 year ago
Wow, thanks for taking a bible quote way out of context. Also, no one takes you seriously you are dressed as a girl, there are obviously some underlying issues regarding why you feel the need to draw such an incredible amount of attention to yourself by dressing as the opposite sex. I doubt you would dress that way and talk about the things you obviously know little about if no one reacted to it. Maybe you should try actually trying to achieve something instead of just attacking others.
nickislarge 1 year ago
@nickislarge Do you have answers to any of his questions are do you just want to display what your "loving, caring creator" has taught you by bashing him without any point?
Revellica 1 year ago
You should read Slave species of god by michael tellinger, Great job on your videos.
DirtySecret7 1 year ago
You should read slave species of god by michael tellinger. Good job on your videos
DirtySecret7 1 year ago
If god where real, I don't think I would carry my wife's purse if she asked. Nope couldn't do it. (I would not carry a 'European Hand Bag for men’ or anything of that sort either, just to close all the loopholes)
thegwinner 1 year ago
wow this is silliness
jezuzfreek777 1 year ago
@jezuzfreek777 when stuff makes sense and you have no point the only thing you can do is call it silliness
91jgphonecall 1 year ago
a very poor response to a direct question, that
PlanetBongoSan 1 year ago
@jezuzfreek777 What is silliness? Genocide? I've already seen you defend slavery, you should have learned better by now. How sad.
hugesinker 1 year ago
...don't read what ppl write In books that they call.. bible or whatever.. or what did happen or did not.. in the past .. if god is real and i belive so.. he never told ppl what to do or what to say.. ppl do that in his name..ppl think they know what or who god is, they dont .. if i kill ppl and say god told me to. omg how lame are you to belive that..all wat hapend in past is ppl doing not gods..will or call it whatever you want.. I belvie that there must be somthing,somthing greather then us..
MrDragco 1 year ago
Diabeetus.
CMDRReservoir 1 year ago
I'm an Atheist, but if god were real, I wouldn't do shit for him. I don't care what he could threaten me with, he sounds like a bully and a psychotic. I wouldn't humour his demands.
northernvoxmedia 1 year ago 2
@northernvoxmedia Yeah I'd be like "WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN?, your fucking cult has been screwing everything up for hundreds of years!" hahaha
TekLok 1 year ago 2
And they call Wiccans baby killers. Lol, nice video ZJ! :D
SlyAllurements 1 year ago
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foreverdreamer2012 1 year ago
@foreverdreamer2012 Highly improbable? What's more highly improbable than a deity that predated the universe itself?
ZJemptv 1 year ago
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foreverdreamer2012 1 year ago
@foreverdreamer2012 So what makes it any less improbable to say the "creator" was "just always here"?
ZJemptv 1 year ago
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foreverdreamer2012 1 year ago
@foreverdreamer2012 Honestly, there's no reason to believe the bible provides any actual answers rather than just making things up, any more than any other religious text contains valid answers instead of fiction. Besides, if a god can exist eternally in some extra-universal realm where this is possible, surely it would also be possible for the universe to exist forever, or spring forth from nothing.
ZJemptv 1 year ago
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foreverdreamer2012 1 year ago
@foreverdreamer2012 So wouldn't something like a god require a designer, too?
ZJemptv 1 year ago
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foreverdreamer2012 1 year ago
@foreverdreamer2012 It seems more likely that you just want there to be a god, for whatever reason. Without any evidence of one, it looks like it needs a lot of fragile, faulty logic to prop it up. I'm sure you don't believe in Zeus, or Thor, or Shiva. There's no reason to. The same applies to your god as well.
ZJemptv 1 year ago
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foreverdreamer2012 1 year ago
@foreverdreamer2012 That's nice and all, but when you're dying and expecting to be swept up into the afterlife of whichever god you've spent your life believing in, you'll be sorely disappointed to find yourself staring into nothing but a void of obliteration. If you're lucky, you won't have time to fully comprehend this before you pass into oblivion. Good luck.
ZJemptv 1 year ago
@ZJemptv :
I don't think she'd be able to be disappointed because she's gone for good? wouldn't she? :) there's nothing to lose for her, but on the other hand, for you.... ohh Pascal's wager is a pain the you know what.
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ogirv101 Unless Allah is the real god. Then you're screwed.
ZJemptv 1 year ago 13
@ZJemptv:
Yeah, at least it's a 50/50 chance there.... but you're even more screwed, you have a 0 chance. :p and by the way Allah's hell isn't forever, it's temporary so I'll be alright, but I'm not so sure about infidels. Islam is alot more friendly to abrahamic religions than atheists.
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ogirv101 From what I understand Islam considers anyone who is not Muslim to be infidels - that is the whole problem with the entire middle east and Israel (who also follow an Abrahamic faith)... so no. Islam views Jews and Christians the same way they do Atheists - as infidels.
Revellica 1 year ago
@foreverdreamer2012 You should be ashamed of the way you speak in this comment. We can argue all we like about who is right and wrong but it speaks volumes when one side typically tends to wish great harm upon the person that disagrees with them. Your insult can easily be turned around on you. I could say for example, "Go deny some more reality to refrain from filling that empty space in your head." but that wouldn't be very nice now would it? ;)
TatsujinSan 1 year ago 2
@ZJemptv:
Wait. no evidence for God? So fine tuning is flawed? the ontological, teleolgoical, and transcendental arguments are all wrong? you haven't explained yourself. you're making statements and assuming them true, bare assertion fallacy. as for Zeus, Thor, or Shiva. What do they have anything to do with God? They're anthropomorphic conceptions.
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ogirv101 "So fine tuning is flawed?"
Yes.
"the ontological, teleolgoical, and transcendental arguments are all wrong?"
Yep, that's right.
"as for Zeus, Thor, or Shiva. What do they have anything to do with God? They're anthropomorphic conceptions."
So is God. What's the difference?
ZJemptv 1 year ago 30
@ZJemptv:
Why is fine tuning flawed? You just make bare assertion fallacies without explaining yourself. and as for God, he is not an anthropocentric conception because it does not violate the methdological naturalism that Science uses. Nature isn't attributed to the divine, rather the origin of nature itself is attributed to the divine, losing the anthropomorphic conception. wow, you're difficult. :/
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ogirv101 "Why is fine tuning flawed?"
Try google. There's a great paper on that very subject on the secular web called "On universes and firing squads" by Michael Hurben. Some quick points are is that we have no basis for declaring something to be fine tuned due to observation because our existence necessitates conditions that allow us to exist being present(Weak anthropic principle). We also have no basis for statistical arguments due to ignorance about number of trials.
Gnomefro 1 year ago
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ogirv101 1 year ago
@Gnomefro:
I'm not making a statistical argument through comparison of other systems, so that point is flawed. second of all, the weak anthropic principle is flawed in itself, it assumes that because something happened that therefore there's a 100% probability of it cause it only happened once. That is following the inverse gambler's fallacy. I'm not saying the Universe was finely tuned for life, rather tuned to exist in the first place.
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ogirv101 And, of course, it's absurd to suggest that a universe as big as what we have is fine tuned for human life. Almost all of it appears to be vacuum and dead planets. Even most of the earth is hostile to human life. If your god doesn't violate methodological naturalism - that means you claim that he does absolutely nothing, in which case he is useless, and certainly not one of the Abrahamic gods - they all interact with the world and violate natural law.
Gnomefro 1 year ago
@Gnomefro:
Just because God does not violate methdological naturalism, does not mean he does nothing. It means he cannot break natural phenomenon or interfere directly. He may interfere through nature, and indirectly by many natural means.
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ogirv101 "as for Zeus, Thor, or Shiva. What do they have anything to do with God?" Weren't they conceived as "Gods", They have everything to do with god..... If you went back to ancient Greece and told everyone Zeus was not a god, and that he was not real, would they not throw your point back at you in a different way. How can you justify the existence of one mythical being and at the same time say that another one held in the same position as your god never existed?
airforce540 1 year ago
@ogirv101 - Fine-tuning doesn't take into account the fact that, had the universe not been fine-tuned, we wouldn't know baou tit.
The ontological argument, while the a priori reasoning *appears* sound, there is no real justification for the God concept in the first place, it only seeks to support an already-existing theory, not show that there is a valid source for that theory.
The teleological argument fails to address the nature of a possible "creator", and can only support deism.
FibonaziProductions 1 year ago
@ogirv101 - (Cont) - And the teleological argument can hardly even support deism; the argument from supposed design is much better remedied by natural selection.
The transcendental argument I shall have to research. Thank you for introducing a new term to me.
Your God is as much an anthropomorphic conception as all the other Gods are. The only difference is, not as many people realise it.
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Revellica 1 year ago
@foreverdreamer2012 "YOU DON'T WANT there to be a GOD." Everything you talk about in this comment is a projection of your own flaws. You WANT there to be a god because the idea of god existing gives you comfort and meaning. Belief in god is enslavement and the nullification of our natural intelligence. Not freedom. Freedom is what the atheist chooses. We concern ourselves with truth. Where lies persist we will expose them. We spend our time on it because it is important.
TatsujinSan 1 year ago 2
@ZJemptv:
God wouldn't require a designer because he's a necessary and perfect being not contingent like the Universe. and you're just maing an assumption there.
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ogirv101 What makes any god necessary?
ZJemptv 1 year ago 19
@ZJemptv:
By his definition God is necessary, also I'm not saying he's necessary I'm saying necessary in the philosophical sense that he is not contingent, his existence by definition is dependent from the existence of something else, the Universe itself isn't by definition. Don't confuse terms for their philosophical terms for the colloquial use of the word.
ogirv101 1 year ago
@ZJemptv
Hm. I'm tired of my religion (Asatru) being referred to as Nordic Mythology while Christians, Jews, and Muslims get to be have there stories called 'Faith'. From now on, I'm calling them Abrahamic Mythology. Blam.
TheLogicStick 1 year ago 19
@TheLogicStick how exactly did you become involved in your religion? just wondering.
jabobab 11 months ago
@jabobab
Studying things and then following paths that felt right. I've explored everything from druidism and wicca all the way to Islam. The only one that held my interest for a long time was Asatru. And Discordianism.
TheLogicStick 11 months ago
@TheLogicStick Hail! From Norway (As long as you're not a racist "pagan")
HaakonTheViking 8 months ago
@HaakonTheViking
Assuredly not! I'm a Smash the Fascists With a Hammer kinda guy.
TheLogicStick 8 months ago
@TheLogicStick Haha! Then you might like 2.nd track on Tyrs new album xD
HaakonTheViking 8 months ago