Captain Jack Harkness A.K.A The Face of Boe

[Trisbreya]

Aahg how I've agonized over that, is it implied or does anyone have the actual clip. Great video by the way, I almost shed a tear ^_^.

[MakaveliIsMe]

Anyone that disagrees with jack being boe, it was proven, the actor even talks about shocked he was when he found out

[TheOneManHero]

THE FACE OF BOE ISN'T ENGLISH!! Jack admits he's a "Fellow american" in Season 4 of Torchwood, implying he would never have an accent even though hes of the entire universe.

[TheOneManHero]

HE'S NOT THE FACE OF BOE!

[bluejeckett]

All this business about Jack being the face of Bo, if jack is the face of Bo then why does the face of Bo have a fucking english accent then nobheads????

[TorchwoodRp]

@bluejeckett because hes fucked up

[ChrisCamTheMan]

@bluejeckett

5 billion years

[awfulsails]

Personally, I think FoB is ONE Jack, but maybe not THE Jack. He's a time agent, so there's lots of selves floating around. In one of the novels, Jack mentions Boe as a figure from his time, not mentioning his poster boy status. But then, this was written before End of Time, so canonity is debatable.

[Trisbreya]

@awfulsails That would explain it.

[CrazyGood88]

Oddly enough Jack did not really grow on me completely until i had watched a couple episodes of torchwood and when I came back to Doctor Who I was a little more Fangirl of the captain lol!

[hessian1235]

Knowing Captain Jack is the Face of Boe makes me all tingly inside, and it is also sad, Captain jack helping the doctor for one last time and the doctor didnt even realise till an earlier captain mentions it :(

[TheOneManHero]

@hessian1235 IF THE FACE OF BOE IS JACK (NOTHING CONFIRMED once again) - then the Face of Boe . aka Jack Harkness always knew the Doctor knew.....he loved the Doctor, he didn't want the Doctor to cry losing a best friend, being all alone as the only being that lives forever (not really)

[hessian1235]

lol, at 0:29 - 0:32 i tried to read his lips and it looks like he is saying "This is what happens if i dont get my virginity back" or something like that :)

[djtorbas]

so apparently living a long time changes your species lol

[hessian1235]

@djtorbas lol, i know aye, apparently there are 2 Boekind, which means he didnt just look like that from ageing by theres an actual species, unless the other boekind was in the same position as Captain Jack.. or some whovian just made up the other boekind and posted it on every Doctor who fan website and Information site. :P

[jnyeko]

NICE, VERY NICE!

[TheOneManHero]

Look man, I hate to leave on bad blood....but lets just agree to disagree...while I believe I have the stronger and more practical case here, you can argue the same thing.

[TheOneManHero]

Oh and while you sit there saying you've read all the interviews, seen all the videos, with your sagely knowledge - I was at Comic Con with Whedonopolis (go see it on the youtube) and John himself told me there is no definite confirmation from ANY of the writers...and he believes Jack to be Boe but there is NOTHING confirmed.

Now what? Are you going to say John is wrong too buddy?

[TheOneManHero]

He is writing new stuff, but the fact remains that you assume everything the episodes infer to be 'absolutely true' and what people mention to be definite. The fact is Jack is OR IS NOT the FACE OF BOE. There IS NO confirmation. Davies never confirmed it, and you need to check your shit again.

[TheOneManHero]

You have watched all the interviews etc, and yet you still seem to make the most obscene and insulting 'confirmations' when the show feeds on this mystery that you seem to clearly be forgetting. There is a difference between obsessed and passionate. If you can't keep up. Stop spewing shit. You set the pace with your stupid-ass confirmations and bad sources. I'm just trying to keep up. Fact remains you also apparently do not know what 'CONTINUITY' means.

[TheOneManHero]

Look under The Face of Boe, considering I cannot scan my magazine for you or send you the proper DVD's with commentary: Wikipedia Jack_Harkness

[TheOneManHero]

You keep incessantly taking scenes and making thee most hacked, and obvious and pedestrian observations from them, as I have said countless times already and are ignoring the hard facts. The fact is within the context of the show there is no proof he is the Face of Boe. Also you failed to answer my dialogue question of why he says "you are not alone" then tells him he's the last of his kind. There is more to be seen..and we can keep looping this, but it's as pointless as the debate you put out.

[TheOneManHero]

Steven Moffat is the new writer, and you have no idea what he will or will not do. Not going to change the continuity? Clearly you have not been a fan of the series long enough or read any of the autobiographies or Torchwood Magazine to know Moffat intends to use the CONTINUITY to his advantage: "If we have established something, we can go ahead and change it an work with it to create something new and wonderful" Quote: Torchwood Magazine July 2007

[XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX]

I have been aware of the series and a fan for quite a long time, I have read/watched most interviews, ect..

Moffat clearly said himself in one interview that he is creating new stories, not making sequels to previous story arcs.

I am not continuing this discussion, you seem to be obsessed in it, replying with about four comments in one minute.

[TheOneManHero]

does it not occur to you why The Face of Boe says it like this:

"I am the last of my kind, as you are the last of yours Doctorrrr"

"That's why we have to survive, eh..."

"Don't go"

"I must...."

"But Remember this timelord...You are not alone...."

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Why partake you he says you are the last of your kind as I am the last of mine then goes on to say you're NOT the last of your kind? Um yea redundancy anyone? This has been told by Davies that it actually did not mean YANA

[XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX]

Doctor Who has a different write now, with no interest of changing continuity and saying 'you are not alone' refered to anything. The episodes confirmed it meant 'YANA'.

In later commentery for Torchwood series 2, everyone (even Davies) went down as confirming that Jack IS the Face of Boe.

[TheOneManHero]

You need to stop lying and get the proper commentary. I don't know where you are getting this Commentary for Torchwood Series 2, but on the DVD there is no mention of this. What part of the fact do you not get? They are not confirming anything. They turned down any novels trying to definitely link the two. Also I find myself repeating the fact that while the episodes might MAKE IT SEEM like it is YANA, it COULD be anything else.

[TheOneManHero]

The facts remain that Davies has not said "Yes. Jack IS the face of boe." These were never uttered by him. Julie, one of the leaving writers never confirmed it other than saying the following in confidential and I quote : "We want the mystery to be there, and believe Jack has the potential to be The Face of Boe" even if at Comic Con she jokingly said "The reason we decided to opt for that scene and make Jack say he is The Face of Boe.."

[TheOneManHero]

You have to look at what the creator himself said of the idea and the STRONG fact that Doctor Who FEEDS on this mystery and will turn it every which way if it can get a chance: The creator (Davies) says NO. There IS NO PROOF that Jack is Boe. So go watch the DVD extras than these people so casual at Comic Con!

[TheOneManHero]

While those at the panel at Comic Con (Barrowman, Julie - only they mentioned FACE OF BOE) the fact remains when officially being interviewed John Barrowman said this DIRECTLY on DVD commentary: "Barrowman states that when fans ask him if Jack is really the Face of Boe, he tells them he believes he is and states that he and Davies hold it to be true "in [their] little world"; the link is "unconfirmed" within the text of the show."

[TheOneManHero]

Russel T Davies (who made this idea) referred to the scene in "Last of the Time Lords" as promoting "a theory" (notice the quotes) that Jack may one day become recurring character "the Face of Boe" (a large, mysterious disembodied head in a glass case) as a consequence of his immortality and slow aging.

[TheOneManHero]

They are for the time being referring to Jack as Boe but the fact remains (2 of your writers included commenter) have rejected all novels/books trying to definitively tie them together. Also you are VERY incorrect.

[sarahnpeck]

I am only two seasons into Doctor Who and two of Torchwood.. is Jack Boe?

(btw I like the video..perfect music match!)

[XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX]

At the end of series 3 Doctor Who, Jack says he lived on the Boeshane Peninsula of the 51st century, and was dubbed the Face of Boe.

There has been debate where he is THE Face of Boe, but it was later confirmed by the actor, David Tennant, Julie Gardner and Russel T Davies in later commentary... so yes, he is.

[TheOneManHero]

I felt the need to clear this up. Even though name-dropping might seem like solid proof, the fact of the matter is Captain Jack Harkness has NEVER been openly confirmed to be The Face of Boe. During comic-con panels, they refer to him as The Face of Boe but then I ask you why they never officially say "Yes. Captain Jack Harkness IS the Face of Boe" when asked The fact remains he is NOT or he COULD be The Face of Boe but they really do not know this as writers because they have NOT written it yet

[XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX]

He grew up on the BOEshane Peninsula, he was the 'Face' of Boe, as in the Face of the Boeshane Peninsula and reprisented it.

If he weren't the (disembodied head) Face of Boe, where the hell did that head get his name from? That would prove that he (the head) stole his name from Jack, which sunds obsurd.

In the first Torchwood episode, Jack comments on getting pregnant and never wanting to again; in 'The Long Game', the Face of Boe is announced pregnant.

[TheOneManHero]

The Face of Boe IS billions of years older than Jack. #2. You still do not know if You are NOT alone meant YANA, the show made it seem that way but you HAVE to remember: continuity is IMPOSSIBLE to be wrong in with Doctor Who. They can easily make it seem like Boe was speaking of something else, and The Doctor assumed it was YANA as The Master. Stop taking these DEAD obvious scenes and saying: YES, Jack IS THE Face of Boe. It's JUST not practical, especially given Doctor Who. Too obvious friend!

[XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX]

The Face of Boe lived in the year 5 billion. Exactly how old would Jack be by that time? Over 5 billions years old.

[XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX]

And how would the Face of Boe know about Yana being the Master, know about everything that Jack experienced with the Doctor?

In one Torchwood episode, Jack nearly died by giving his life force; the Face of Boe ultimately died giving his life force.

[TheOneManHero]

Unfortunately, you aren't looking at the hard facts. The fact is within the context of the show there is no proof he is the Face of Boe. Also, the hard fact is they decided to make that quip of Jack going "The Face of Boe they called me..." LAST minute. The facts remain. You are using thee most obvious things observable. #1 You do not know The Face of Boe died. It might take him billions of years to regenerate.

[lostserenity0]

Just my two cents of the FOB/Jack Debate:

One of the main problems people seem to have with FOB = Jack is that it(he?), well, dies. Except Jack does die, he just doesn't stay that way. If anybody remembers, the last time Jack gave his lifeforce to save a city (Abbadon), he stayed dead for several days - what's to say the Face of Boe is really, completely, forever dead, and not just regenerating? Who knows, maybe it'll (he'll?) start breathing again in another billion year's time.

[TheOneManHero]

People.....why do you constantly keep repeating the whole 'Gridlock' thing. We don't really know if he IS The Face of the Boeshane Peninsula. It is still all debate. Keep in mind, the directors say A LOT of things that turn out to change later on (saying he IS the face of boe at comic con, etc.) Pacifistattack makes an amazing point: Doctor Who continuity is IMPOSSIBLE to be wrong with. Kudos to his important notice. Who knows....The Face of Boe can EASILY change and NOT be Jack.

[Heathyownage]

i think the face of boe died [aka jack] beacuse of the 'thing' u see at the end of series 1 draining him i think it took most of hes energy so even if he 'would have lived forever' then finally hes energy went

[pacifistattack]

Remember one VERY important thing that RTD has said. No matter what happens, It is impossible to be wrong (referring to continuity within the Doctor Who show). We can always just say that the Time war messed things up. So even if Jack WAS the face of Boe that doesn't mean he WILL be.

[MattnificentStudios]

I do belive jack is boe but there is something that goes against it.when rose brought him back he became Immortal but the face of boe dies in "gridlock" if jack is boe then the effects of the immortality probably wore off but its something to think

[Aidanpogi311]

@MattnificentStudios he died because he gave his whole life energy just to save the city

[hessian1235]

@Aidanpogi311 well, you cannot be certain. He is a fixed point in Time and Space, practically impossible to die, never ever, he cant run out of Life energy, it just depletes and refills like fuel... so really, its most likely he will come back.. maybe after a few years.. maybe even a few centuries but it is most likely he will be revived.

[regeleio]

immortal indeed ... but there is not evidence that he is really dead :] , far as i know he is alive untill the very end of the existence

[Heathyownage]

immortality dosent just wer off :l

[mila203]

not unless you give you're all energy like what Aidanpogi311 said

[XxXLucozadeXLoverXxX]

It's not really immortality, Jack just has over 5 billion year's worth of lifeforce. He lived past seeing the Earth destroyed in the year 5 billion, and died giving the rest of his lifeforce to save New Earth.

[KellerDweller82]

Ok see the thing is I finally get that Jack is the face of Boe when he saids in Gridlocked "You are not alone" its because he saw it all the Doctor and the master. so yea it makes sense now was hard to believe at first but I did a bit of a chronological "Series" review and yea its real Jack Harkness is Boe.But one thing I dont get is isnt he supposed to live forever being that he is a anomaly a fixed point in time and at the same time not.

[eoran2]

ither way i still think that jack is the face of boe and itl be good when im ither proven right or wrong

[TheOneManHero]

Jack cannot be the Face of Boe, I still don't believe it. The Face of Boe got his name by being "The Face of the Boeshan Peninsula." Jack says people called him "The Face of Boe." No similarity. It is as if you nick-named someone off a celebrity as the Face of Boe is a future celebrity...known since the "Dawn of time." It's possible Jack becomes the Face of Boe, teleports back to the dawn of life ....and becomes famous...then gets a nickname he became himself later on..I can totally see that.

[iamhewolf]

@TheOneManHero: Jack was born and raised on the Boeshan Peninsula, and became the poster boy for the Time Agency with the nickname "The Face of Boe", not "The Face of the Boeshan Peninsula".

[TheOneManHero]

Yeah...I did not say Jack was nicknamed The Face of the Boeshan Peninsula...read what I wrote again closely. That's my point. The Face of Boe is originally named The Face of the Boeshan Peninsula....Jack was nicknamed The Face of Boe...meaning he was nicknamed off a celebrity, and he cannot be the face of boe even though at Comic Con they kept saying 'Jack is the face of boe.' People need to realize ---director's lie at the time. It's no mystery they will flip this on people...watch and wait.

[rohgenextfan]

@TheOneManHero: And it didn't occur to you that Jack may have adopted the nickname "The Face of Boe" after essentially becoming a face?  Obviously not.

[TheOneManHero]

You don't get it do you? The Face of Boe would not use a nickname for himself. He would be called The Face of the Boeshane Peninsula. Did you NOT notice what I SAID? Jack said they called him the Face of Boe in the 51st century - IT'S NOT JACK. The Face of Boe has been around forever.

[rohgenextfan]

@TheOneManHero: Legend states Boe has been around forever. No proof states that Boe has been around forever. That's only legend. Legends are exaggerated. Maybe Jack has been around forever. He time travels. Yeah, you happened to forget that. Or, maybe he made up the legend so he could disguise himself. The evidence is there, yet you are blind to the truth. I get it, YOU DON'T! JACK IS BOE. Now shut the fuck up you stupid little dipshit.

[TheOneManHero]

No wonder you're probably still in high school with barely passing grades or your parents are ashamed of you and yet you question it. If you read clearly, YOU stupid fucking fat piece of lifeless virgin shit, The Face of Boe is not Jack Harkness and you will be pretty fucking stupid (more than now) when you find out. The Face of Boe is not what he calls himself. Listen to the radio shows and read the comic about Jack you fucking vagina. He calls himself THE FACE OF THE BOESHANE PENINSULA.

[rohgenextfan]

@TheOneManHero: Although the Face of Boe appeared to have died permanently...this does not disprove the theory that he was once Jack Harkness. The Doctor simply may not have stayed long enough to witness Boe's ressurection, which is possible given that he did not suspect a connection between his two friends at the time and the more life energy Jack expells during a death the longer it takes him to be revived." If Jack isn't Face of Boe it's ok. Why are you so passionate yet call me sci-fi prick?

[TheOneManHero]

@rohgenextfan: also you stupid little fucking dipshit, I'm not proportionally varied like you as a fucking house of mirrors you fat fuck. I have abs, so if anything when I find you in real life, I'll beat the living shit out of you, fucking lifeless prick and a lot of people will be happier that a useless sci-fi prick is gone that even people at comic con think is a fucking waste of energy. Peace, you fat fucking troll

[rohgenextfan]

@TheOneManHero: From the DW Wiki page - "that Jack is destined to become the Face of Boe is not considered set in stone due to Russell T Davies waffling over the issue during the DVD commentary for Last of the Time-Lords in which he would not commit absolutely to Jack becoming the Face in the future.:" but, "in media..public (i.e. science fiction convention) statements, producer Julie Gardner.. John Barrowman and David Tennant, have all gone on record as saying that Jack is the Face of Boe. "

[rohgenextfan]

@TheOneManHero: From DW wik - "Similarly, the Torchwood Declassified featurette from Torchwood Series 2 has John Barrowman, David Tennant and Russell T Davies explicitly stating that the Face of Boe is Jack Harkness. In-universe, however, we only have Captain Jack's testimony. "

[TheOneManHero]

@rohgenextfan:

Thank you for the information....I suppose I hold a stance that he is not the face of boe rather stubbornly. I suppose The fact is that no one really knows...not even the guy that made it because there is not any continuity....or who knows why when martha says 'face of boe,' Jack does not respond.

Also I'm not passionate, I called you a sci-fi prick because you called me a stupid little dipshit when it was uncalled for.

[Heathyownage]

Very True, But Maybe Jack Had To Not Reply Because If They Found Out Who he Was They Would Kno WHat Would Happen With The Master And That Would Be Like Telling Them Their Own Timeline

[brokenangelDG]

That's what I was going to say LoL Jack is totally the Face of Boe that was the whole point of putting that in there

[KammasAnMont]

Captain Jack is a wanker.

[TheOneManHero]

You're a wanker, you prick sucking bag of dick sucking tricks.

[Avalano]

Regeneration of the doctor's race is a limit that they have put as a rule. They can regenerate as much as they want. The master is at his 14 regeneration if i remember right

[rohgenextfan]

@Avalano: Yeah, but the Master keeps cheating with his regenerations.

[BlackGee]

it's a genetikal lack of time creatures they fail to be old but they die after a long life. So all Doctors die but you can never say whether the live just 100 j. bacause they may travel into future so many centuries and meet their old friends and say hi, long time not seen. This is a very funny thing. In far future doc faces The Face Of Boe but he travels back to the time of jack's becoming T3 chef approx. 200X. maybe maybe docs live just one century but with traveling in time they live longer.

[tatoola]

Why is the face of Boe dying? Isn't he supposed to be invincible?

[rohgenextfan]

@tatoola: Rose gave Jack the energy through the Tardis. The energy may have just run out when the Face Of Boe died.

[Traininghopper]

He looks better as the Face Of Boe.

[doris0006]

but jack could never age... maybe when boe died he turned into jack and wen jack escaped the ship he went back in time and maybe messed up timelines so thts how dr and rose and jack met erlier...?

[mila203]

no jack does age but its very long. and he regenerates even when he's blown up.

[lottie5000]

yes but nobody has thought a bout everyone else on the ship wouldn't every 1 else live forever . on 1 of the episodes there it says boe has given birth that must be everyone else . but jack has a connection with the doctor so he lasted longest of all of the people

[gogallifrey]

is it just me or does the thing at 2:35 look like the beast from Doctor Who?

[LOL1264]

i think it dose

[ophy4]

I hope he kept his promise. Did he ever forget Ianto?

[ozfuji]

after millions of years he evolved to the point of incorperal form? the face and jack will be back just like the doctor and other time lords.

this show is such an amazing one, there are infinate infinitys that can be added subtracted divided multiplied and formed with ideas not yet understood, that is the beauty of infinity.

anything you can think of has happend will hapen and is happening.

[Avalano]

Maybe the Face of Boe died in the year 5 billion's, cause that's the farthest Rose ever traveled in time

[mila203]

hey that could probably be true.

[SpareOneLoseone]

Using a few Torchwood vids there...

[ALEX0990990]

its kind of sad that he died at the year 5 billion+ they could make him die with the universe at the year 100 trillion+

[MultiMatt666]

I like to think that Jack's soul lived on to the end of the universe into the year 100 trillion+ after he died as the Face of Boe, and his existence ends with this universe, showing that he lived from the early years of the universe to the very end in different forms, and how he became as old as the Doctor.

[genericusername337]

as old as him? the Doctor will die at one point. but even then, they're definitely not the same age!

[MultiMatt666]

The Doctor only has a few hundread years left, but Jack has full immortality and another 5 billions yearas+. o_o

[genericusername337]

well, I don't know how much time the Doctor has left but I doubt it's as long as Jack's. But if what you said is right, that's still only proof that they're NOT as old as each other.

[MultiMatt666]

The Doctor fails to be old... Each time he meets him, Jack is a lot older than before. For example, Jack went back in time was buried alive by his brother for what must have been over 1,000 years before he was discovered in the 21st century...

Therefore, when he met the Doctor after that event, he is suddenly much older than him. :P

[genericusername337]

well, that's what i was saying.

you said at first that the Doctor and Jack were the same age and I disagreed but now you're saying Jack is older which is what I said. i'm confused but it's fine.

[MultiMatt666]

I was saying that Jack has much longer to live than the Doctor because he is immortal and doesn't just have to regerate and eventually run out of incarnations. Even in the incarnations lives a full life each, it would be like they all have at least one full century of life each.

[ALEX0990990]

maybe he got so old that his body became so useless that it fell off

[londonrocks]

smashing video!well done!

[PresidentP]

I wonder if they will do a Story in Torchwood of how he became the Face of Boe. We will have to wait and see however that might be the last time we see John Barrow on Torchwood or even Doctor Who.

[kingjosh1876]

lol i was thinking maybe one time after getting blown up or something he might not recover properly and from into just a head?

[londonrocks]

yep and i'm guessing it'll be a while till we see that :)

[jojo20051987]

JB will be on the xmas/newyear dr who specials so we have more of captain jack yet!!

[MRSAXON007]

thats a very nice vid

[fetteredfey]

does anyone know the transition from jack to the face of boe? is it in torchwood or just in the collective storyline of both shows?

[MANB91UK]

that story hasnt been told yet. at all

[KyleJS30]

Perhaps thats what the human body looks like after millions of years, cause Jack didnt stop aging.

[checkerdeluxe18]

is captain jack gay?

[MadameDeVideoland]

he's what they call "omnisexual", which basically means he likes everything. ;)

[TalulahCarmichael]

Anything with a postcode! ;P

[kaichi23]

so not homeless ppl then :P

[TalulahCarmichael]

Hmm...I guess you're right, Kaichi! :P

[kaichi23]

Or the doctor cuz the tardis isont an address eather lol

[ricottafrittata]

Tugs at my heartstrings - fabulous work!

[lbillison94]

why doesn't the doctor keep jack as his companion all the time because he can't die so the doctor wont have to worry about anything the only problem is that a time lords maximum life span is 13 thousand years and jacks is around 5 billion years

[rustybolt10]

that is a gd point but if you recall the Doctor saying "your wrong jack, its in my guts" that most likely why he doesn't want to travel with him and technically jack and the Doctor have an infinite lifespan Russell.T.Davies killed Jack/the face of Boe of because it would have constantly brought up in every episode.

[pacifistattack]

The doctor did ask jack to come along with him at the end of series three. Jack refused because he had responsibilities and friends at torchwood. I thought timelords didn't age at all, where did you hear 13000 years?

[lbillison94]

i got 13000 years from the fact that time lords have to regenerate every 1000 years because of aging and they only have 13 regens b4 they have to go somewhere but i cant remember. k hope that helped ya.

[Janiqua]

NO ONE CAN SALUTE THE DOCTOR! Except for Captain Jack Harkness. Because he's special and everyone loves him, including the Doctor no matter what he says. Great music, great video.

[B3atleflute]

This is just the most beautiful music...

[KC4815162342]

It sure is

[pacifistattack]

What is this music called? And where is it from, if from the show which series and/or episode is it featured?

[AkiraBestNickname]

I like so much .Capt. jack was so important for the doctor .Dunno if he know it.