Hah, I was in the RAF cadets, so no automatics for me - we got the joyously terrible L98's - they weren't exactly well looked after, either. I was one of the few not to suffer a jam after 5 rounds...!
@RealDiaboy The L98a1s were a pile of shite werent they! We had them in cadets, me and a friend were doing a demo for the new cadets on their first range day and we had to basically slap n tap every other round... absolutely shite.
The forward assist is a simple hand motion where you push the cocking handle forwards after cocking the weapon. This ensures that the round is correctly chambered for firing.
The reason the drill was introduced was because the springs on the A1 variants were not strong enough, that has been remedied with the A2 however the drill has not been removed as it is sometimes necessary in rare situations.
@linkinpark4eva2k7 No , the A1 DOES need a forward assist facility as the working parts were not strong enough to push a round into the chamber flushly hence in the weapon handling drils forward assist was taught. Forward assist is only taught on the A2 as its second nature and its always been done , although the forward assist isn't required on the A2
@noodles1916 That's to prevent it jamming on the A1...Which didn't work, because it still jammed. There are SOP's for jamming on the A2, no forward assisting is required. At all.
@Diddlenator yeah mate, wait till you try carrying it through a platoon attack, tis a good laugh, and its a good workout for the biceps :P had to go to kneeling to fire the weapon cause of reeds... so i pretty much held the bipod instead of a foregrip :P
stop replying to my comment, it was 8 months ago i wrote, yes he looks young. no some guy replyed to my comment, you don't have to be put through lot to shoot it,
he had a couple of weeks of boot camp or something, some physical endurance tests, and an instructor for the weapon. leave it alone. i don't care about this guy or how he got to the position of shooting this gun.
Right for all you twat's that know fuck all apart from youtube and MW2. You don't need to forward assist on the A2. The springs are strong enough , which was a problem on the A1 hence the forward assist.
Don't come on here quoting MW2 as that don't mean shit and the weapon modelled on that is the LSW L86 in name only.
@TheNERFDUDE97 im laughing right now because of your name. you are correct, however this is the A2, which was very much redesigned/rebuilt by HK, for that reason it has HK stamped all over it.
I remember the disressing habit of stoppages, misfeeds etc. Spent a day on the ranges with one & could hardly get throught a full magazine without some hitch.Not very awe inspiring but was very accurate.
I remember firing an SA-80 during training and the firing pin snapped! That was an abused old training rifle, but did not inspire confidence in the weapon!
@wiganerrmc It's the SA-80 L86-A2. It's probably one of the best support weapons kicking around right now. Same lenght as a traditional layout rifle with much greater accuracy.
@ihaterobbie123 the best 0_o? its jamed weeeeery match... many bad design in this gun... evin A2 variant... cool disayn and bul pamp bat its all benefits...
I was 17. And if i was 12 why shouldn't i be using a weapon? Let me deconstruct your argument for you:
Before being allowed near ammunition i had passed a weapons safety test. This test ensures that i know how to operate the weapon safely. Something that no civilian (and i doubt your military) has to do before getting their hands on a loaded weapon.
Out of interest do you use firearms or are you against them?
@ditdatdot well cadets dont get to use minimis...well i did as a cadet but that only coz the British army was sharing the camp with us and let us use thier weapons like the SA80 WITH UGL :D!! minimi and we saw them use some other gucci kit like Javelins :). the LSW is standard training for cadets, if we had a choice we wud use minimi's.
@KNEZOV5 Also by you calling it a gun it shows your lack of knowledge in weapons as it is not called a gun. Guns are found on tanks and artillery weapons.
@KNEZOV5 hes also part of the army cadet force in Britain which is basicly a beefed up version of the scouts. it teaches in all military training and skills BUT IS NOT ANY PART OF RECRUITING FOR THE ARMY AT ALL. its just complete fun and provides basic skills if u do wish to join the military like i do. :)
@KNEZOV5 uh yes he should because he is a cadet so like me he has passed a weapon safety test on this gun and been given permission to fire it so tough does mate
assumeing its the same rifle with an extended muzzle and the same parts i would say yes it needs assisting on a reload and occasionaly after a few bursts.
take this from a cadet 1. position yourself at port arms 2. Check the safety catch 3.load and put the lock down 4. get clarified that it is clear 5. ease springs 6.FORWARD ASSIST 7. put safety catch off 8.fire of the action 9.put safety catch on 10. unload 11. close dust cover 12.lay the weapon on the ground in a safe and controlled way and position
2. Cant weapon to right, parts to the rear, held open
3. Cant weapon to left, check bolt, body, chamber
4. Cant weapon to right, check magazine is not fitted.
5. Cant weapon to left, check bolt, body, chamber
6. Parts forward, forward assist.
7. Safety, fire off action, safety.
On "for inspection port arms", omit steps 4-5, simply hold weapon canted to the left for SSI/RCO to inspect. Your drill NDed and chambered another round.
bipod is very rigid, it just rolls back and forward to allow for recoil so the firing position isnt changed. I had the buttstrap up and as such the weapon is an absolute bitch to cock when prone.
yes, and did it wrong and could have hypotheticaly killed someone, don't presume to teach soldiers their own jobs it just makes you look like a cock. THats coming from an ex cadet of 5 years, and squaddie as 2
as for MGxBouncers: the LSW in itself is a great weapon, just not for what it was origionally intended for. As you appear to be a squaddie you should know by now it has been reroled as a DMR for marksmen. but yes, i fucking hate it
aye, got a mate in 2para who has test fired it already, he also cant wait to get his hands on the ACR, apparently a full barrel/calibre change can be done in 2 seconds...
Skill in terms of what? It requires a small amount of effort to cock the weapon (because it was brand new) but in terms of skill its just a case of learning the drills. As far as firing the weapon goes, its just pulling the trigger. Actually getting a good grouping at 400 yards does require a bit of skill though.
Any weapon takes skill to get a good grouping, but, just watching that vid, made the weapons operation look simple haha, I thought it would be dead complex, looks like a nice weapon :D
yeah, operation really is quite simple. As i mentioned these were brand new, meaning they were as stiff as hell till the end of the day, you can cock the weapon as many times as you want but the only way to soften everything up was to get rounds down range :)
The L85A2 and L86A2 LSW weapons are NOT Heckler & Koch. It's has H&K markings onthem due to the maintenance work they did but H&K don't make these weapons. They are still both British Lee Enfield weapons, modified by H&K, but NOT H&K. Rumour is the L85A2 will be replaced around 2015/2020 by a Heckler & Koch rifl possibly the new 416 weapon. The LSW weapon is slowly being phased out in favour of more minimi light machine guns.
didnt know they the 416 was the possible choice. I am aware that they are enfield weapons, but they were reengineered internally by HK as you say so i thought id throw HK into the weapon name :P Thats the reason i didnt say H&K SA80 but the SA80 H&K LA86A2...
the LSW is now used for "dedicated marksmen" like snipers, but without the recce and camo..thanks to its 900meter range it does pretty well, but for support, like the minimi, it just cant do it..
by the way: apparently the L-85A2s are being fitted with a linger barrel as a part of PECOC..
Yes you can. You notice how the instructor behind me states that i have "gone well off to the left"? well that would generally indicate that the weapon needs to be zeroed... two shoots later and my bursts were on target. And the cadet manual clearly mandates a burst zero shoot.
and as far as bad drills, i am aware, and have had an interesting debate with several members as to whether forward assist is really necessary or not, the conclusion reached that it is in fact, very necessary...
indeed, the forward assisst is necessary, even though the A2 was designed to eliminate this issue. Crazy eh?
And in the cadet manual the tilt is only a recommendation, not a mandatory action. It does make it easier when using the standard l95, however on the LSW i find it easier to not tilt due to the buttstrap digging into the shoulder.
Forward Assist is not required on the A2 variant due to the springs being stronger then the A1 variant where that was mandatory , i am SCBC qualified and know what am on bout
Yes Forward assist is still required in the drills. If you reed the Infantry weapons pamphlet for the A2. If you forget a forward assist in the weapons handling test 3 or more times it is a fail, although a lot of people are slack on it as it is not safety. Yes the springs are stronger and the drill is just a precaution. Same for the cocking handle appears fully forward stoppage drill which still exists. Ive seen it need to be used.
Forward assist is required, read the Infantry weapons manual even on A2, they even kept the cooking handle appears fully forward drill in as a precaution. Even with the stronger springs it is needed as a precaution and i have seen stoppages because of a lack of forward assist.
Forward assist is still required read the infantry weapons manual even on A2, they even kept the cocking handle appears fully forward stoppage drill as a precaution and Ive seen it need to be used. You also fail your WHT if you dont forward assist three times although alot of people let it go as it is not safety.
Yes Forward assist is still required read the infantry weapons manual. Even for the A2. The stronger springs help but it is kept as a precaution as is the cocking handle appears fully forward stoppage drill, and iv seen it need to be used. You also should fail a WHT if you don't forward assist three times however alot of people let it go as its not safety. I have read the manual properly about this to solve a dispute over this before.
Forward assait isnt even in the manual you moron , it was a AD HOC add on that SCBC Brecon added at the instructor's on discresion ,forward assist is not part of the WHT i have done the SCBC tactics and skill at arms , you obviously dont know fuck all
No need to get offensive. "And if i dont know fuck all" (That means i know all.) All the manuals i have read have it in even the L98A2 one which must be quite up to date, all the instructors that ive spoken to about this agree. Including ones that have been specialist SAA instructors and two of mates who have just done tours of Afghanistan.
So obviously with a sweeping statement they know fuck all as well. With so many differing manuals lurking around in the chain either of us could be wrong
The British Army was instructed by the SASC to include forward assist as thats what soldiers were used to doing. In 2000 i was based in Cyprus and was part of the R&D testing in Kuwait using the L85A2 , H&K said there is NO NEED to forward assist as the reason it was done on the A! was due to the springs not chambering a round properly due to being to slack , something that was fixed.And trust me SASC write all manuals for weapons in the British Army , that doesnt make them right. *Continued**
The original SASC were instructed by H&K , who then wrote a manual as per A2 and stoppage drills , in the H&K manual (the one the MoD uses) forward assist is not there , SASC wrote there own and at the the time of acceptance of service of the A2 (2003) was all trained on the A1 that required the forward assist and as such everyone forward assisted anyway. This then went to SCBC , PSBC etc and has infected the whole military when its not required!
forward assist was around in 98 too, thats what i was taught in training and what we used in the regiment when i was in the cavelry. our version of the sa-80 was a pile of shit though that would fall apart if you wasnt continuosly checking those pins while fireing.
rgr dodge, i would probably forward asist out of habbit. better safe than sorry i say. besides its brittish made so it sux lol do those pins still come out ???
i think its just common practice, why change the procedure when it isnt brocken.. the weapon probably doesnt require forward assist, its just concidered good practice. if it reduce the risk of a blockage then its good practice. last thing you want when your being shot it is to get round lodged in the chambre.
it means fitting the rifle to you cos there is a special block which the sights sit on and they can be adjusted up or down depending on were your eye is as you look down the sights it can be done electronically but that is for the DCCT range Dismounted Close Combat Trainer just think of them shoot em up games in a arcade but on a bigger scale
aligning the sight of the weapon ie the crosshair blade within the sight to be level with your eye on your face , because everyones eyes are in different positions ,thats why it needs to be done
No it doesnt, zeroes means alligning the sights to where the bullet will impact, can be changed due to wind, distance, humidity, temperature, place on the equator etc etc.
think your both coming at opposite ends of the problem, because your alligning the sights with where the bullet will impact and your eye at the same time...
and coriolis effect is completely negligible at the ranges you can engage with the SA80
If you can do grouping shoots with bursts, then you can zero with them. You just adjust the sights as you would with any zero shoot after inspecting where the rounds are falling
And the cadet manual does state the first shoot you should do on automatic is a "10 Round Zero Shoot in bursts of 2-3 rounds"
Okay, I will lay forth all information regarding this shoot.
I hold a marksman badge with the LSW, GP and No. 5 rifles, and can strip and assemble all of them blindfolded. Therefore i am not a "Beginner, or new guy"
Secondly, using basic range telemetry equipment found on the ranges at Catterick one can in fact zero using bursts, as the first round of the burst indicates aimpoint quite satisfactorily.
Thirdly, a zero shoot in bursts of 2-3 rounds is mandated in the cadet manual for the LSW.
Ummm, what are those comments about 5 round bursts about? I can't make head nor tail of it, some punctuation would probably help.
'then all of a sudden a whole mag goes thu the breach ud prob get a stoppage doin that so it would stop u anyway', what does that mean? I would like to point out that if your not slack and have a gopping weapon or are just really unlucky, firing a magazine off in one go will not cause a stoppage, I have done it and I did not get a stoppages.
Therefore i would suggest that if you have nothing at all positive or negative that has not yet been mentioned then pray do not comment. Yes, cadets technically should forward assist, however it is in reality a mere technicality. And i am already aware that i did not forward assist. However, i have reminded myself once again. Thankyou kind sir.
mate not tap forward assisting shows slack drills. when your weapons misfires in battle it could cost you your life. your weapon not being able to fire and your section being a gun down while you clear it is not a "technicality". i understand that you are only a cadet but you odviously are planning to join the forces someday.
true, and i have to say your comment is the first that i have actually considered a serious reply. It is correct that i plan on joining the forces someday, and i hope to god (and know) i will be better dressed and know my drills better at that point in time.
You gotta admit, drills aside that using the LSW is cool :)
being ex-forces myself i have the upmost respect for anyone in the cadets. i highly reccomend you join the forces. anyone who sats the LSW or A2 is crap is either
A) a cockspaz
B) never fired the weapon
you look very controlled with the weapon. nice shooting
its not really a technicallity cos when the working parts go forward sometimes the cocking handle doesnt go fully forward witch is classed as a stoppage thats y u 4ward assist
When i was taught, we were told not to bother with forward assists. plus if you speak to the guys returning from tours in iraq and afghanistan youll find that many of them dont forward assist either as it isnt needed on the A2s
If a 10 round mag on an LSW got you excited then I feel bad for you. On our teams range days at school we'd have went thru 5-6 boxes of 5.56 and a box and half of 7.62 between (8-12ppl). We had a LSW or two for banter most days and the odd day a vanfull of toys from the base MP armourer. HAHA. Helps when your RSM was cool as fuck.
Who cares about zeroing the thing u don't use it for competitions. If your allowed to shoot from fire trenches then wait till your RCOs not paying attention and fire off a full mag unsupported. If he's not a complete asshole and your a good shot he'll not care. funfun
Indeed, but he is a bit of an asshole in that he does everything by the book... Such as we did a bren gun cadet shoot with LSWs, because thats what the cadet manual says. Shame the army stopped using those a while back.... As a result we were all awarded marksman badges lol. He would go off on one if we pulled a lebanese 30 or banana split during a shoot.
health and saftey gay i no but if sumthin happeneds ur blackbaged and out b 4 u could say o shit any way the instructor would hear it 5 round bursts from the others then all of a sudden a whole mag goes thu the breach ud prob get a stoppage doin that so it would stop u anyway even if hes the coolest instrctor on camp hes still not allowed to let u to do that or he could b put in prision
How would he hear "a whole mag... u anyway"? The whole point of a forward assist is that if the parts arent forward the weapon wont fire. It will not suddenly discharge an entire magazine. And even if it did, firing of 30 rounds in two bursts will not cause a stoppage on the A2 (Ive done it).
no if the other lsws are firing say 5 round bursts then sum 1 decides to fire theremag off in one go the guy taking you would think were only doing 5 round bursts y is he holding the trigger down
i dont no how the hell u passed ur 3 star to get on the weapon in the 1st place
Hah, I was in the RAF cadets, so no automatics for me - we got the joyously terrible L98's - they weren't exactly well looked after, either. I was one of the few not to suffer a jam after 5 rounds...!
RealDiaboy 6 months ago
@RealDiaboy The L98a1s were a pile of shite werent they! We had them in cadets, me and a friend were doing a demo for the new cadets on their first range day and we had to basically slap n tap every other round... absolutely shite.
dave38x 5 months ago
Could someone please explain what forward assist is?
TheRaptor06 9 months ago
@TheRaptor06 certainly.
The forward assist is a simple hand motion where you push the cocking handle forwards after cocking the weapon. This ensures that the round is correctly chambered for firing.
The reason the drill was introduced was because the springs on the A1 variants were not strong enough, that has been remedied with the A2 however the drill has not been removed as it is sometimes necessary in rare situations.
dave38x 9 months ago
@dave38x Thank you Very much. Another thing I learnt today...
TheRaptor06 9 months ago
@dave38x It turns minor malfunctions into major ones.
speedyelwood 8 months ago
i feel sick when i forget to forward assist. it hurts inside
xbsl123x 10 months ago
didnt do a forward assist @ 0:06
A64JAMES 1 year ago
no forward assist and u didnt check sights ohhh noooeoesssss!! :D
B1gBassa 1 year ago
wheres your forward assist
noodles1916 1 year ago 12
@noodles1916 forgotten in a sea of cadet noobishness... so embarrassing that i might actually just take this video down :P
dave38x 1 year ago
@dave38x jesus christ relax i wasnt goin off at ye
noodles1916 1 year ago
@noodles1916 im jesting mate, dont worry :)
dave38x 1 year ago
@noodles1916 tbh its not an A1 it doesnt even need a foward assist ...
linkinpark4eva2k7 10 months ago
@linkinpark4eva2k7 No , the A1 DOES need a forward assist facility as the working parts were not strong enough to push a round into the chamber flushly hence in the weapon handling drils forward assist was taught. Forward assist is only taught on the A2 as its second nature and its always been done , although the forward assist isn't required on the A2
bubbles867 8 months ago
@noodles1916 Forward assists are used for the A1 version, not the A2.
iiGAMINGPRoZ 6 months ago
@iiGAMINGPRoZ true but still used it training scenarios
noodles1916 6 months ago
@noodles1916 That's to prevent it jamming on the A1...Which didn't work, because it still jammed. There are SOP's for jamming on the A2, no forward assisting is required. At all.
iiGAMINGPRoZ 6 months ago
me? i was having a laugh. thats all i' sayin...
KNEZOV5 1 year ago
got trained with LSW last night and im not even fourteen yet, youngest person to be trained with it in C.N.E.
P.s its really fucking top heavy in lowport position it almost fell over :L
Diddlenator 1 year ago
@Diddlenator yeah mate, wait till you try carrying it through a platoon attack, tis a good laugh, and its a good workout for the biceps :P had to go to kneeling to fire the weapon cause of reeds... so i pretty much held the bipod instead of a foregrip :P
dave38x 1 year ago
stop replying to my comment, it was 8 months ago i wrote, yes he looks young. no some guy replyed to my comment, you don't have to be put through lot to shoot it,
he had a couple of weeks of boot camp or something, some physical endurance tests, and an instructor for the weapon. leave it alone. i don't care about this guy or how he got to the position of shooting this gun.
KNEZOV5 1 year ago
At what range were the targets you guys were shooting at? Curious after the guy said, "You've on off well to the left!"
100 yards?
jrabueg1 1 year ago
yeah, 100 metres. By well off to the left i mean about 15cm off to the left :p
dave38x 1 year ago
Right for all you twat's that know fuck all apart from youtube and MW2. You don't need to forward assist on the A2. The springs are strong enough , which was a problem on the A1 hence the forward assist.
Don't come on here quoting MW2 as that don't mean shit and the weapon modelled on that is the LSW L86 in name only.
bubbles867 1 year ago
@bubbles867 THANKYOU!
dave38x 1 year ago
@bubbles867 why do they even bovver making us do forward assist then? lol and on stoppage drils u have to tap forward when the bolt is forward! lol
miky261 1 year ago
@bubbles867 shut. up. still bullshitting on yt as i see
infrared567 8 months ago
@infrared567 You obviously have a lack of intelligence , go do yourself a favour and get a life you pathetic piece of pond life.
bubbles867 8 months ago
@bubbles867 LOL whatever you say. boss!
infrared567 8 months ago
@infrared567 Mate you need to learn punctuation and grammer!
bubbles867 8 months ago
@bubbles867 I aint your mate.
infrared567 8 months ago
@infrared567 No and you can't spell either. Jog on you muggy cunt.
bubbles867 8 months ago
@bubbles867 ahah, fool.
infrared567 8 months ago
FORWARD ASSIST
gifbox 1 year ago
FORWARD ASSIST!!!! lol, great vid :)
dexxy45 1 year ago
its not H&K (heckler and koch) it is desined and built by lee enfield
TheNERFDUDE97 1 year ago
@TheNERFDUDE97 im laughing right now because of your name. you are correct, however this is the A2, which was very much redesigned/rebuilt by HK, for that reason it has HK stamped all over it.
dave38x 1 year ago 2
@dave38x i dont play nerf anymore but thanks for the info
TheNERFDUDE97 1 year ago
@dave38x yeah i know i found out after i posted this comment and i made this account when i was younger and i cant stand nerf anymore
TheNERFDUDE97 1 year ago
@TheNERFDUDE97 1)It was built originaly by ENFIELD (Not lee enfield because thats a rifle) But Was remoded buy Heckloer & Koch.
2) Fucking Nerf? grow some
TheFuture22ndSAS 1 year ago
@TheFuture22ndSAS yeah i know and i dont like nerf anymore
TheNERFDUDE97 1 year ago
u forgot to forward assist
i always get dun 4 that
sebbysam444 1 year ago 2
No forward assist when cocking the weapon?
alwaysXuploadXvideos 1 year ago
I remember the disressing habit of stoppages, misfeeds etc. Spent a day on the ranges with one & could hardly get throught a full magazine without some hitch.Not very awe inspiring but was very accurate.
taffwob 1 year ago
The A1 was the variant that had the firing pin that snapped.
jimborambo7 1 year ago
I remember firing an SA-80 during training and the firing pin snapped! That was an abused old training rifle, but did not inspire confidence in the weapon!
jimborambo7 1 year ago
@jimborambo7 which sa-80 was it the a1 or a2
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc It's the SA-80 L86-A2. It's probably one of the best support weapons kicking around right now. Same lenght as a traditional layout rifle with much greater accuracy.
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@ihaterobbie123 the best 0_o? its jamed weeeeery match... many bad design in this gun... evin A2 variant... cool disayn and bul pamp bat its all benefits...
p.s. bad english))))
InQVIZittoR 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc sorry, just read the context of your comment, misunderstood completely XD
ihaterobbie123 1 year ago
@wiganerrmc its the lsw
lisajane77 1 year ago
@lisajane77 i no it is the lsw lol i dident sey it wasent
wiganerrmc 1 year ago
army cadets or just army?? im ex cadet
mgsisthebest123 1 year ago
you look 12, seriously, you shouldn't be holding a gun
KNEZOV5 1 year ago
I was 17. And if i was 12 why shouldn't i be using a weapon? Let me deconstruct your argument for you:
Before being allowed near ammunition i had passed a weapons safety test. This test ensures that i know how to operate the weapon safely. Something that no civilian (and i doubt your military) has to do before getting their hands on a loaded weapon.
Out of interest do you use firearms or are you against them?
dave38x 1 year ago 17
@dave38x well if you passed you shouldn't be forgetting the forward assist, the but strap or your ia drills
sa80a3 1 year ago
@dave38x
that LSW is shite lad. if you want a good controllable rate of fire, use the FN Minimi. Thats what I used in afghanistan
ditdatdot 1 year ago
@ditdatdot well cadets dont get to use minimis...well i did as a cadet but that only coz the British army was sharing the camp with us and let us use thier weapons like the SA80 WITH UGL :D!! minimi and we saw them use some other gucci kit like Javelins :). the LSW is standard training for cadets, if we had a choice we wud use minimi's.
QRNPTBUZ 1 year ago
@KNEZOV5 you dont know anything about army cadets, try think about what he had to do before being allowed to fire this Weapon!
miky261 1 year ago
@miky261 ooooh, tough guy. what did ya have to run a couple of miles, and endure extreme situations. cadets, better not mess with them
KNEZOV5 1 year ago
@KNEZOV5 as previously stated in a reply to you you just need to learn how to operate the weapon safely.
And im still intrigued as to whether your pro-guns and having a laugh, anti guns, military or civvy...
dave38x 1 year ago
@KNEZOV5 Also by you calling it a gun it shows your lack of knowledge in weapons as it is not called a gun. Guns are found on tanks and artillery weapons.
halwa001 1 year ago
@KNEZOV5 he is a british army cadet we get to use these often
TheNERFDUDE97 1 year ago
@KNEZOV5 hes also part of the army cadet force in Britain which is basicly a beefed up version of the scouts. it teaches in all military training and skills BUT IS NOT ANY PART OF RECRUITING FOR THE ARMY AT ALL. its just complete fun and provides basic skills if u do wish to join the military like i do. :)
QRNPTBUZ 1 year ago
@QRNPTBUZ fair enough.
KNEZOV5 1 year ago
@KNEZOV5 uh yes he should because he is a cadet so like me he has passed a weapon safety test on this gun and been given permission to fire it so tough does mate
TheMatthewGillard 1 year ago
lol
tronexhielox 2 years ago
is that matt worby????
smallman16 2 years ago
lol....
dave38x 2 years ago
HAHA, I like the way you're arguing with someone that has had first hand experience, and is a member of the royal engineers.
Ignore them Dave. :)
iRozc 2 years ago
Do you have to foward assist with the LSW?
like the a2
streetskater6666 2 years ago
yeah, LSW and SA80 both need forward assists, both the A1 and the A2 variants.
dave38x 2 years ago
assumeing its the same rifle with an extended muzzle and the same parts i would say yes it needs assisting on a reload and occasionaly after a few bursts.
wannos27 2 years ago
CORRIEJGREEN 2 years ago
Take this from a member of the Royal Engineers:
1. Safety
2. Cant weapon to right, parts to the rear, held open
3. Cant weapon to left, check bolt, body, chamber
4. Cant weapon to right, check magazine is not fitted.
5. Cant weapon to left, check bolt, body, chamber
6. Parts forward, forward assist.
7. Safety, fire off action, safety.
On "for inspection port arms", omit steps 4-5, simply hold weapon canted to the left for SSI/RCO to inspect. Your drill NDed and chambered another round.
dave38x 2 years ago
It looks a bit awkward. The bipod looks like it has a lot of give to it.
Aaronewt 2 years ago
bipod is very rigid, it just rolls back and forward to allow for recoil so the firing position isnt changed. I had the buttstrap up and as such the weapon is an absolute bitch to cock when prone.
dave38x 2 years ago
I JUST EXPLAINED THAT DIP SHIT
CORRIEJGREEN 2 years ago
you explained it wrong though :P
dave38x 2 years ago
yes, and did it wrong and could have hypotheticaly killed someone, don't presume to teach soldiers their own jobs it just makes you look like a cock. THats coming from an ex cadet of 5 years, and squaddie as 2
InfantryChans91 2 years ago
I hope your SAA has improved since going OTC ;)
as for MGxBouncers: the LSW in itself is a great weapon, just not for what it was origionally intended for. As you appear to be a squaddie you should know by now it has been reroled as a DMR for marksmen. but yes, i fucking hate it
TASigs 2 years ago
it definitely has, and youre getting the LM7 battle rifle as your new DMR arent you? thats gonna be an awesome bit of kit to play with.
dave38x 2 years ago
It's slowly going to be phased into frontline units and then end up fully intergrated. The LSW will be around for quite a while yet though
TASigs 2 years ago
aye, got a mate in 2para who has test fired it already, he also cant wait to get his hands on the ACR, apparently a full barrel/calibre change can be done in 2 seconds...
dave38x 2 years ago
Lol LSW is a shit gun. I work in the army and we call them Long Silly Weapons! So heavy to carry your day sck around with 10 mags!
MGxBouncers 2 years ago
Not much recoil.
sethburgess1234 2 years ago
aye, there isnt much recoil. Enough to throw your aim off on full auto at 200 metres but nothing uncomfortable.
dave38x 2 years ago
were you in cadets?
woodydood 2 years ago
yep, now in OTC
dave38x 2 years ago
A-COY rifles all the way!!!
airsoftjunkie2 2 years ago
Which unit's A Coy?
dave38x 2 years ago
Am I the only one who thinks that the person who is firing looks like a four yar old?
AlexKicksAxe 2 years ago 6
lol, i do look a bit young... i was 17 when tht vid was filmed...
dave38x 2 years ago
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this looks like the fg 42 to me
ohgeefreeks310 2 years ago
wgat?? FG 42? your joking right?
Its clearly an SA80 L86A2...
dave38x 2 years ago
BAD DRILLS!!!!!
Bdr "C" Battery SNH
SpoOkyBeEf 2 years ago
forward assit
armyfreak12345543211 2 years ago
FORWARD ASSIST !!!!!!
L0CP0JAG 2 years ago
bad drills
he didnt forward assist
gunner49061 2 years ago
Not being funny, but does that weapon, take any kind of skill to fire :l
Its sweeet cause its auto, but It just looks, simple :P
Themindfool 2 years ago
Skill in terms of what? It requires a small amount of effort to cock the weapon (because it was brand new) but in terms of skill its just a case of learning the drills. As far as firing the weapon goes, its just pulling the trigger. Actually getting a good grouping at 400 yards does require a bit of skill though.
dave38x 2 years ago
Yeah I meen mechanically :P
Any weapon takes skill to get a good grouping, but, just watching that vid, made the weapons operation look simple haha, I thought it would be dead complex, looks like a nice weapon :D
I wana go ¬¬
(:
Themindfool 2 years ago
yeah, operation really is quite simple. As i mentioned these were brand new, meaning they were as stiff as hell till the end of the day, you can cock the weapon as many times as you want but the only way to soften everything up was to get rounds down range :)
dave38x 2 years ago
Yeah :D
Looks fun, we dun get LSW's in the ATC :l
Themindfool 2 years ago
Simple and good
Elitepoosniff 2 years ago
Weapon clear?
Yeah
Yes Sir
lol
sam93d 2 years ago
i know i do, your not the first to mention it :P
dave38x 2 years ago
LSW is three star weapons handling and shooting
skychi999 2 years ago
the lsw and sa80 are not made by h&k its enfield who make em
krazytom177 2 years ago
refer you to the below comment on the same subject
dave38x 2 years ago
the lsw is part of the sa80 family of assault rifles and the a2 variants were remodelled by H&K
layum06 2 years ago
yeah but H&K revamped them
normy690 2 years ago
you should though you carnt really pass the test with out training on the weapon because of health and saftey reasons
ColonelVenom88 2 years ago
nope mate, never did either just did training and the weapons handling test during regular cadet time...
dave38x 2 years ago
The L85A2 and L86A2 LSW weapons are NOT Heckler & Koch. It's has H&K markings onthem due to the maintenance work they did but H&K don't make these weapons. They are still both British Lee Enfield weapons, modified by H&K, but NOT H&K. Rumour is the L85A2 will be replaced around 2015/2020 by a Heckler & Koch rifl possibly the new 416 weapon. The LSW weapon is slowly being phased out in favour of more minimi light machine guns.
drhagg 2 years ago
didnt know they the 416 was the possible choice. I am aware that they are enfield weapons, but they were reengineered internally by HK as you say so i thought id throw HK into the weapon name :P Thats the reason i didnt say H&K SA80 but the SA80 H&K LA86A2...
worked in my young mind when i typed it out lol
dave38x 2 years ago
the LSW is now used for "dedicated marksmen" like snipers, but without the recce and camo..thanks to its 900meter range it does pretty well, but for support, like the minimi, it just cant do it..
by the way: apparently the L-85A2s are being fitted with a linger barrel as a part of PECOC..
theGoldenAgeOfBoredo 2 years ago
So much better when using 150+ Hehe, night ex...
MachiavellianHeir 3 years ago
150 plus?
dave38x 3 years ago
Not so sure on how many mags we had; but loads of them. Brand new LSWs from Cranwell.
MachiavellianHeir 3 years ago
Of course you can't zero with bursts.
Some bad drills and shotting going off there btw.
SneekyMason 3 years ago
Yes you can. You notice how the instructor behind me states that i have "gone well off to the left"? well that would generally indicate that the weapon needs to be zeroed... two shoots later and my bursts were on target. And the cadet manual clearly mandates a burst zero shoot.
and as far as bad drills, i am aware, and have had an interesting debate with several members as to whether forward assist is really necessary or not, the conclusion reached that it is in fact, very necessary...
dave38x 3 years ago
im in the britsh army, and forward assist is necessary, and u need to tilt the weapon to the rite when cockin it.
taburgess04 3 years ago
indeed, the forward assisst is necessary, even though the A2 was designed to eliminate this issue. Crazy eh?
And in the cadet manual the tilt is only a recommendation, not a mandatory action. It does make it easier when using the standard l95, however on the LSW i find it easier to not tilt due to the buttstrap digging into the shoulder.
dave38x 3 years ago
Forward Assist is not required on the A2 variant due to the springs being stronger then the A1 variant where that was mandatory , i am SCBC qualified and know what am on bout
bubbles867 2 years ago
thanks! Finally, someone who agrees with me...
dave38x 2 years ago
Glad to be of some help , you get someone else who disagree's gimme a shout
bubbles867 2 years ago
alllryt......gays...
111alien111 2 years ago
Yes Forward assist is still required in the drills. If you reed the Infantry weapons pamphlet for the A2. If you forget a forward assist in the weapons handling test 3 or more times it is a fail, although a lot of people are slack on it as it is not safety. Yes the springs are stronger and the drill is just a precaution. Same for the cocking handle appears fully forward stoppage drill which still exists. Ive seen it need to be used.
denchy1 2 years ago
Forward assist is required, read the Infantry weapons manual even on A2, they even kept the cooking handle appears fully forward drill in as a precaution. Even with the stronger springs it is needed as a precaution and i have seen stoppages because of a lack of forward assist.
denchy1 2 years ago
Forward assist is still required read the infantry weapons manual even on A2, they even kept the cocking handle appears fully forward stoppage drill as a precaution and Ive seen it need to be used. You also fail your WHT if you dont forward assist three times although alot of people let it go as it is not safety.
denchy1 2 years ago
Yes Forward assist is still required read the infantry weapons manual. Even for the A2. The stronger springs help but it is kept as a precaution as is the cocking handle appears fully forward stoppage drill, and iv seen it need to be used. You also should fail a WHT if you don't forward assist three times however alot of people let it go as its not safety. I have read the manual properly about this to solve a dispute over this before.
denchy1 2 years ago
any need for four repeat comments?
dave38x 2 years ago
No i didn't mean to it didn't seem to post. dodgy internet
denchy1 2 years ago
Forward assait isnt even in the manual you moron , it was a AD HOC add on that SCBC Brecon added at the instructor's on discresion ,forward assist is not part of the WHT i have done the SCBC tactics and skill at arms , you obviously dont know fuck all
bubbles867 2 years ago
No need to get offensive. "And if i dont know fuck all" (That means i know all.) All the manuals i have read have it in even the L98A2 one which must be quite up to date, all the instructors that ive spoken to about this agree. Including ones that have been specialist SAA instructors and two of mates who have just done tours of Afghanistan.
So obviously with a sweeping statement they know fuck all as well. With so many differing manuals lurking around in the chain either of us could be wrong
denchy1 2 years ago
The British Army was instructed by the SASC to include forward assist as thats what soldiers were used to doing. In 2000 i was based in Cyprus and was part of the R&D testing in Kuwait using the L85A2 , H&K said there is NO NEED to forward assist as the reason it was done on the A! was due to the springs not chambering a round properly due to being to slack , something that was fixed.And trust me SASC write all manuals for weapons in the British Army , that doesnt make them right. *Continued**
bubbles867 2 years ago
**Continued**
The original SASC were instructed by H&K , who then wrote a manual as per A2 and stoppage drills , in the H&K manual (the one the MoD uses) forward assist is not there , SASC wrote there own and at the the time of acceptance of service of the A2 (2003) was all trained on the A1 that required the forward assist and as such everyone forward assisted anyway. This then went to SCBC , PSBC etc and has infected the whole military when its not required!
bubbles867 2 years ago
forward assist was around in 98 too, thats what i was taught in training and what we used in the regiment when i was in the cavelry. our version of the sa-80 was a pile of shit though that would fall apart if you wasnt continuosly checking those pins while fireing.
wannos27 2 years ago
98 was the A1 that i used too , but the A2 forward assist is not needed as the springs are more tort
bubbles867 2 years ago
rgr dodge, i would probably forward asist out of habbit. better safe than sorry i say. besides its brittish made so it sux lol do those pins still come out ???
wannos27 2 years ago
No weapon is shit hot now , although i dont have to forward assist i still do just out of habit from carrying the A1 for so long
bubbles867 2 years ago
i think its just common practice, why change the procedure when it isnt brocken.. the weapon probably doesnt require forward assist, its just concidered good practice. if it reduce the risk of a blockage then its good practice. last thing you want when your being shot it is to get round lodged in the chambre.
wannos27 2 years ago
what does zeroed mean
jugs554433 2 years ago
it means fitting the rifle to you cos there is a special block which the sights sit on and they can be adjusted up or down depending on were your eye is as you look down the sights it can be done electronically but that is for the DCCT range Dismounted Close Combat Trainer just think of them shoot em up games in a arcade but on a bigger scale
ColonelVenom88 2 years ago
aligning the sight of the weapon ie the crosshair blade within the sight to be level with your eye on your face , because everyones eyes are in different positions ,thats why it needs to be done
bubbles867 2 years ago
No it doesnt, zeroes means alligning the sights to where the bullet will impact, can be changed due to wind, distance, humidity, temperature, place on the equator etc etc.
sam93d 2 years ago
think your both coming at opposite ends of the problem, because your alligning the sights with where the bullet will impact and your eye at the same time...
and coriolis effect is completely negligible at the ranges you can engage with the SA80
dave38x 2 years ago
I know, neither of us are on about zeroing the sights specifically for the SA 80, L98, LSW or any other weapon like that, just, zeroing all together.
sam93d 2 years ago
noob, you can't zero with bursts. Even my gran knows that!
andypops111 3 years ago
Why not?
If you can do grouping shoots with bursts, then you can zero with them. You just adjust the sights as you would with any zero shoot after inspecting where the rounds are falling
And the cadet manual does state the first shoot you should do on automatic is a "10 Round Zero Shoot in bursts of 2-3 rounds"
SlickGunman 3 years ago
Okay, I will lay forth all information regarding this shoot.
I hold a marksman badge with the LSW, GP and No. 5 rifles, and can strip and assemble all of them blindfolded. Therefore i am not a "Beginner, or new guy"
Secondly, using basic range telemetry equipment found on the ranges at Catterick one can in fact zero using bursts, as the first round of the burst indicates aimpoint quite satisfactorily.
Thirdly, a zero shoot in bursts of 2-3 rounds is mandated in the cadet manual for the LSW.
dave38x 3 years ago
Ummm, what are those comments about 5 round bursts about? I can't make head nor tail of it, some punctuation would probably help.
'then all of a sudden a whole mag goes thu the breach ud prob get a stoppage doin that so it would stop u anyway', what does that mean? I would like to point out that if your not slack and have a gopping weapon or are just really unlucky, firing a magazine off in one go will not cause a stoppage, I have done it and I did not get a stoppages.
dominickmb 3 years ago
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dominickmb 3 years ago
foward assist, other than that very composed prerfomance =]
TASigs 3 years ago
didnt forward assist on make ready hahahahaha you would of failed your rifle test so wel done dum ass
crazyhooker2 3 years ago
crazyhooker2, does this look like a rifle test?
No.
Does the A2 in fact need to be forward assisted?
No.
Therefore i would suggest that if you have nothing at all positive or negative that has not yet been mentioned then pray do not comment. Yes, cadets technically should forward assist, however it is in reality a mere technicality. And i am already aware that i did not forward assist. However, i have reminded myself once again. Thankyou kind sir.
dave38x 3 years ago
mate not tap forward assisting shows slack drills. when your weapons misfires in battle it could cost you your life. your weapon not being able to fire and your section being a gun down while you clear it is not a "technicality". i understand that you are only a cadet but you odviously are planning to join the forces someday.
finally get a haircut lego-head lol
army764 3 years ago
true, and i have to say your comment is the first that i have actually considered a serious reply. It is correct that i plan on joining the forces someday, and i hope to god (and know) i will be better dressed and know my drills better at that point in time.
You gotta admit, drills aside that using the LSW is cool :)
dave38x 3 years ago
And yes, my hair has been cut since my "long hair is cool" phase. cant go wrong with a 3 back and sides :P
dave38x 3 years ago
being ex-forces myself i have the upmost respect for anyone in the cadets. i highly reccomend you join the forces. anyone who sats the LSW or A2 is crap is either
A) a cockspaz
B) never fired the weapon
you look very controlled with the weapon. nice shooting
army764 3 years ago
its not really a technicallity cos when the working parts go forward sometimes the cocking handle doesnt go fully forward witch is classed as a stoppage thats y u 4ward assist
ColonelVenom88 3 years ago
When i was taught, we were told not to bother with forward assists. plus if you speak to the guys returning from tours in iraq and afghanistan youll find that many of them dont forward assist either as it isnt needed on the A2s
aj466202 3 years ago
If a 10 round mag on an LSW got you excited then I feel bad for you. On our teams range days at school we'd have went thru 5-6 boxes of 5.56 and a box and half of 7.62 between (8-12ppl). We had a LSW or two for banter most days and the odd day a vanfull of toys from the base MP armourer. HAHA. Helps when your RSM was cool as fuck.
Drunkenher0 3 years ago
For excitement i refer you to corrupts video where we fire a full magazine in two or three bursts....
This was simply a zero shoot. Although it was our first LSW usage in 3 years...
dave38x 3 years ago
i mean slickgunman's vid
dave38x 3 years ago
Who cares about zeroing the thing u don't use it for competitions. If your allowed to shoot from fire trenches then wait till your RCOs not paying attention and fire off a full mag unsupported. If he's not a complete asshole and your a good shot he'll not care. funfun
Drunkenher0 3 years ago
Indeed, but he is a bit of an asshole in that he does everything by the book... Such as we did a bren gun cadet shoot with LSWs, because thats what the cadet manual says. Shame the army stopped using those a while back.... As a result we were all awarded marksman badges lol. He would go off on one if we pulled a lebanese 30 or banana split during a shoot.
dave38x 3 years ago
health and saftey gay i no but if sumthin happeneds ur blackbaged and out b 4 u could say o shit any way the instructor would hear it 5 round bursts from the others then all of a sudden a whole mag goes thu the breach ud prob get a stoppage doin that so it would stop u anyway even if hes the coolest instrctor on camp hes still not allowed to let u to do that or he could b put in prision
ColonelVenom88 3 years ago
what on earth are you on about?
How would he hear "a whole mag... u anyway"? The whole point of a forward assist is that if the parts arent forward the weapon wont fire. It will not suddenly discharge an entire magazine. And even if it did, firing of 30 rounds in two bursts will not cause a stoppage on the A2 (Ive done it).
Please make sense in future.
dave38x 3 years ago
no if the other lsws are firing say 5 round bursts then sum 1 decides to fire theremag off in one go the guy taking you would think were only doing 5 round bursts y is he holding the trigger down
i dont no how the hell u passed ur 3 star to get on the weapon in the 1st place
ColonelVenom88 3 years ago