@KidVolcano Seriously? With an attitude like that no wonder there is no peace. Hatred only breeds hatred and you clearly aren't after peace if that's all you can come out with. Try to be a little less vitriolic, a little more reasonable and maybe people will listen to you more. Should I start listing contentious actions by the Palestinians? No, because it is unhelpful and will only result in the type of bad feeling toward each other that perpetuates the situation and helps no-one.
I was in both Israel and Palestine (not the Gaza strip though). (A) I didn't notice any hatred or ill contempt from Israelis or Palestinians. In Jerusalem both Arab Israelis and non Arabs seemed perfectly open - though certainly I did notice guards. (B) it didn't seem that Israelis just want to kill, kill, kill (though I'm sure there are nuts in every crowd). (C) Arabs aren't terrorists just for being Arab. (D) When Hamas declares an official position of acceptance, partnership could start
The media has always fallen for Paleo / Arab / Muslim propaganda hook, line and sinker. Every single major reported "Israeli attrocity" has turned out to be partial or complete fabrication, with media frenzy playing a major role in fabricating it.
And when Jews are killed, it is hardly even reported.
As Tim Benson, director of the Cartoon Society, which gave Dave Brown the best cartoon award for cartoon depicting Sharon as a naked monster, eating babies, replied when asked why there are no depictions of Arafat eating babies, "because Jews don't issue [death] fatwas. If you upset an Islamic or Muslim group, as you know, fatwas can be issued by ayatollahs and suchlike. And maybe it's at the back of each cartoonist's mind that they could be in trouble if they do so"
They are not denied medical or humanitarian aid, all Israel asked is to examine the ships so they can make sure there's no guns/missiles on the ships, Israel even offered to deliver the goods themselves under the supervision of the flotilla leaders. when the offer was denied Israel said they will allow the goods in if the Egypt army will check it for arms, this was declined also.
Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum, Rebbe of Satmar, Hungary, later rabbi of Palestine
רבי יואל טייטלבוים זצ"ל אדמו"ר ואב" ד סאטמאר
If we were to put all the sins of this generation and all the transgressions committed in the entire world on one side of a scale, and the Zionist state on the other side, it would outweigh everything, for it is the poisonous source of the worst defilement, the worst cause of damage in the entire world, and they are ones who defile the entire world
"Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner.... they have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal."
I hope this guy isn't intentionally lying but what he is saying about Rachel Corrie is PROPAGANDA. She was murdered ie RUN OVER BY A FUC(ing TANK protecting the house of a DOCTOR and his family WHO HAD NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER TO TERRORISM... That's pretty disgusting... I have a feeling that this guy actually believes what he's saying because he loves his country and doesn't want to believe that they could do something like that but, man...
Rachel Corrie was a brain dead twat who dove in front of a two story earhmover to save a TERRORIST smuggling tunnel. The driver could not see her because the windshield had to boarded up from the projectiles tossed at the vehicle. She fell out of his field of vision and guy didn't know he ran her over. She sacrificed her life for bubpkis!!
@chgogrfx to call her a "twat" several times demonstrates that you have issues. Also, what you're saying is total fuc*ing bullshIt. The only thing which is true is that it was a Home-destroyer and not a tank which was used to FUC(ING MURDER a very good and SELFLESS person whom you (a disgusting asshole) call a "twat". You've got problems, buddy. Anyway, I know enough about the history of Israel not to be fooled by the bullshit we're allowed to see on TV so try your propaganda on someone else.
@chgogrfx Also, I have nothing against Israel per say, just the policies of certain extremists. I have respect for Yitzach Rabin for example. But racism and terrorism is wrong... The "break the bones" campaign WAS EVIL. There is no excuse to terrorize an entire people and it's infinitely worse when that people is as defenseless as the Palestinians are. White Phosphorus versus Slingshots for example. Now, you can read the quotes of your own crazy leaders telling the truth about whats going on.
@rgs11 It wasn't a tank it was a two story EARTHMOVER. The house was sitting over a TERRORIST smuggling tunnel in which weapons used to MURDER people were smuggled in from Egypt. The twat threw herself in front of this monster vehicle not realizing that driver could not see her because the windows had been boarded up to protect him from the projectiles hurled at the vehicle.
@chgogrfx Finally, I have a lot of respect for Jewish people and think they have made some of the greatest contributions to civilization. Also, I believe that most Israelis are a lot like most Americans and have no idea about reality and genuinely believe that the whole world is out to get them. However, it is historically clear FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH that there has never been a significant existential threat to Israel and if there is one now it is a self-fulfilled prophecy.
@braktuun You know very well that these quotes are genuine and that there are A WHOLE HELL OF LOT MORE WHERE THEY CAME FROM. If you are actually ignorant, I suggest you type them into google. If you can prove to me that even one is false, I will remove them all. I would prefer that they were false to be honest.
Anyway, how in the world do verbatim quotes of Israeli leaders say anything about me, genius?
@rgs11 LOL. So you want me to prove a negative??? They're your qoutes, you prove them. Problem is you can't, no matter how many pro-hamas/nazi websites you lather yourself in. E.g Ariel Sharon quote originated from a 2001 press release by the.......wait for it........IAP (Islamic Association for Palestine).
@braktuun nice cop-out, lol. Looks like someone needs to brush up on their logic. Some "negatives" actually can be proved, genius. For example, I can prove that I WASNT in a particular place by proving I was in another. I'll make it easier for you. All you have to prove is that the quotes are UNRELIABLE. How's that?
Anyway, at least you don't condone these quotes like some of the crazy Israelis I've talked to but I must admit that I have serious doubts as to your incredulity.
@rgs11 Wrong again. An object being in one place and not another is physical proof. Do you have any physical proof of Sharons alleged statement? I'm waiting..............
@braktuun Okay, it seems you're right about the Sharon quote. I can't tell if it's totally fabricated but since there is controversy and a highly dubious provenance, I will admit that I was wrong to put it up. I feel pretty stupid about it, actually. I'll be more careful in the future. That being said, there are plenty of quotes, the authenticity of which are not in question.
@sherhak First you read from Time Immemorial by Jane Peters and then the Siege by former Irish diplomat Connor Cruise O"Brien.
...and I don't base my opinion on any one of a thousand sources. Instead I have been there, traveled the middle east, sat down with the inhabitants, politicians, diplomats, etc. from ALL WALKS of LIFE and formed my own opinion over the past 30 plus years of intensive study.
Refute point by point one FACT I presented to you. I dare you...
@sherhak HOW DARE YOU COMPARE GILAD SHALIT WITH VANUNU!!
Check your facts--Vanunu isn't being held. He broke the law selling Israeli secrets to the highest bidder & was punished for his crimes. The terms of his release/parole limit his contact with the press, not his family.
Gilad Shalit is being held by Hamas cut off from the entire world with YEARS going by since the last proof of life. The Red Cross is outspoken on this gross inhumanity
Equating these 2 shows a gross absence of morality.
@chgogrfx you mean, kind of like jonathan fucking pollard??? before you jump on your high horse... FBI has stated we have more israeli spies in US than any other 'ally' nation. shalit is a soldier! soldiers are POW sometimes. neither do i equate him with innocent israeli civilians nor palestinian civilians.
@sherhak Jonathan Pollard served his time for his crime.
Why do you deflect everything by throwing out completely un-related red herrings? Are you that sick and pathetic that you have no compassion for Gilad Shalit who was KIDNAPPED and is being held without any contact the outside world? POWs get contact with the outside world. Cannot you not take one second to condemn Hamas for something that goes beyond all bounds of civility and decency?
What kind of immoral hate filled monster are you?
@sherhak I cannot find an ounce of sympathy for TERRORISTS who take up arms under the illicit claim to be on a "humanitarian" mission. Other delusional people on this mission might have thought it was for a "humanitarian" cause, but these people were armed and ready for the IDF boarding party. Every other ship over the past 5 years has cooperated and either left under their own power or was directed to an Israeli port for inspection and offloading of goods. THESE TERRORISTS HAD DIFFERENT PLANS
@sherhak Hamas will not consider it because YOU haven't made it a condition of your support for Gaza!!
If the moral midgets of the world who support Hamas while overlooking the 10's of thousands of missiles, rockets & mortars they shoot at Israeli cities (NOT SETTLEMENTS) & all of the other terrorists acts they engage in---stop for a minute and DEMAND Hamas conduct themselves under accepted international principles of behavior---then MAYBE Gilad Shalit would be allowed to speak to his family.
i feel badly for the many israelis who are peaceful and decent who're being lumped in with a bunch of extreme right wing, insane, maniacs. i hope they save their country from the war mongering, racist, ultra nationalists.
and needless to say, i feel very badly for palestinian civilians victimized by israel and by their own leaders.
@sherhak And what of the people victimized by 83 years of Arab terrorism? What about Gilad Shalit who is being held by Hamas isolated from the entire world (including the Red Cross) for over FIVE years against every code of conduct and human decency? What about the Israeli victims of Palestinian terror? The family HACKED TO DEATH in their sleep??
You feel nothing for them? Does Israel not have the right to defend themselves against these atrocities?
@sherhak I don't read your blog. I can only see what you have written to me & this is the first time you have a stated anything even remotely close to sympathy for Israeli victims of Palestinian terrorism.
There is clearly a chicken and an egg in this but that is a different discussion.
You have equated Israeli defense of its citizens and its territory--which is LEGAL under international law with that of terrorists groups who do not hold by any code of conduct.
@sherhak Israel does not intentional target non-combatants. There is no such thing as use of indiscriminate force against terrorism because terrorism is illegal. Palestinian terrorist groups terrorize their own population as much if not more than they do the Israeli population.
According the Geneva convention it is illegal to engage in combat using a civilian population as cover & it is illegal to specially target non-combatants (HAMAS and FATAH are guilty of this).
@chgogrfx i'd nominate you to be minister of hasbara, but everything you've said can just as easily be said in defense of palestinians. strange you mentioned chicken/egg arguments cause a while ago i was about to ask you which came first, israeli occupation/agression or hamas/fatah terrorism? you know, like saying native americans were all terrorists.
you cannot with a straight face talk about international law when israel has spit on every UN resolution against it.
@sherhak There is a major difference between Native Americans and Palestinians. Native Americans were here first and have a historical claim to the land. The palestinians ARE NOT indigenous to this land. They are offspring of migrants, bedouin and anyone else who wandered into the land as the Jews began to repopulate and develop it. These are facts. Check British and Ottoman population censuses from the late 1800's until the 1930's.
Do not be fooled by the never ending Palestinian mythology.
@sherhak International law goes well beyond the highly politicized UN which spends an inordinate time passing bogus resolutions equating Jewish nationalism with racism while ignoring millions of people being ethnically cleansed in Africa because it has nothing to do with condemning Israel.
The applicable code of conduct in warfare is set by the Geneva Conventions which Palestinians refuse to abide by. If they did you could eliminate 99.99% of all civilian casualties in this conflict.
@sherhak The Israelis were there first. They won the land in a defensive battle and they have the world's oldest land deed in the form of the old testament.
The Palestinians are migrants. They moved to the land for more freedom and better economic opportunities provided by the Jews of the Yeshuv. Palestinians are of the same ethnic group with NO difference from the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians or Iraqis.
BTW--there is no letter "P" in Arabic. So obviously they don't come from PALESTINE.
@sherhak according to Palestinian mythology between .5 & 1.5 million Palestinians were driven from their homes by Jews in 1948--which would be incredible since there they also claim the Jews were a small minority group in the land.
So explain how less than 500,000 poorly armed & trained Jews the overwhelming majority of whom were escaping oppression in Europe (according to Palest mythology) fought off the collective forces of 5 Arab armies & still had time to drive out Palestinian population?
Palestinian identity is based on two things, hatred of Jews/jealousy and mythology.
They created a mythology that doesn't hold up to daylight. 500,000 Jews couldn't hold off 5 PROFESSIONAL Arab armies and manage to chase away 1.5 million Arabs. The Jews were fighting with surplus WWI weaponry because of arms embargo, while the Arab legion was fighting with British weapons & training.
Either there were more Jews present or it was with God's intervention or its mythological
@sherhak When were a 1000 civilians killed in Gaza? IF you mean during the war that HAMAS started by shooting 10's of thousands of missiles at Israel, then you have your #s wrong. The overwhelming bulk of those killed were Hamas operatives. Hamas has admitted this.
Its unfortunate when a civilian is killed in war. However these people are dead because HAMAS started a war with Israel and illegally used their own civilians & infrastructure for cover. Hamas bears 100% responsibility for the dead
@sherhak Not a single person is being held by Israel completely cut off from the entire world without the opportunity to speak with their family through international organizations.
A morally centered person can raise hell about an injustice regardless of all of the other noise. Even if you think Israel is an immoral country--you still have NO justification for your silence in this matter
Israel considers EVERY LIFE sacred. Its not Israel's fault that the Palestinian leadership doesn't agree.
@sherhak Golda Meir said “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”. This quote is as true today as it was when she said it.
I don't see peace between the Palestinians & Israelis until the Arabs cherish their children and care for their children's future more than they hate Israelis. They have bred generations from the cradle to the grave on hatred of Jews demonizing Jews calling them the offspring of pigs and monkeys (meaning less than human).
@sherhak Abu Abbas is on record as saying 1) King Solomon's Temple did not exist 2) Jews have no historical ties to Jeruslaem 3) Jews will not be allowed to live anywhere in the PA and 4) Jews will be given limited access to any religious cites (read NONE) within the PA.
In the PA as well as most Arab countries, it is illegal to sell property to a Jew---the crime is punishable by DEATH and the punishment is usually taken care of ex-judiciously by a lynch mob.
@sherhak I have no idea what you are talking about. The overwhelming majority of Jews living in Israel were born in Arab countries (or the children of those born in Arab countries) yet they have been discriminated against by their fellow ARABS--driven out of the lands of their birth forced to leave all of their property behind.
Jews come in all shapes & colors from every part of the globe--they are multi-racial---yet the Arabs consider them DHIMMI. Is that the RACISM you are referring to?
@sherhak Or are you referring to the institutional racism that prevents Jews from visiting Saudi Arabia or buying land in the PA or living in Jordan. Where is your moral outrage at this racism?
A single Rabbi who pronounced a prohibition to renting to Arabs did so because many of the Arabs turned around and committed acts of violence--attacking their neighbors. It wasn't racism--it was safety. And the cause wasn't the Rabbi, it was the Arab's who violated the trust attacking their neighbors.
@sherhak What you are referring to is a legal ruling that states if someone attacks you and you feel your life is in danger, then you are allowed to take this life. Every system of justice including the US legal system has justifiable homicide on the books. The difference between MURDER & KILLING is MURDER is never justifiable while killing can be justified. The 10 Commandments actually says THOU SHALT NOT MURDER.
You R parroting what U hear without thinking about it. You sound like a toddler.
@sherhak While Israel makes every attempt to avoid civilian casualties, the responsibility for civilian casualties rest upon the party engaging in the illegal operations--which in this case is clearly the Palestinian terrorist groups.
So, while I feel for every single palestininian casualty, I understand that the ultimate responsibility for these unintentional deaths is with the Palestinian terrorists who refuse to play by the rules preferring instead to engage in illegal asymmetric warfare.
BIG LIES. It's not because no Israelis were killed that they are murderers. YES, they just defended themselves. Any other country would do the same. Eventually ,the TRUTH will come out, no matter what.
@ScienceWinsEndOfGod HEY! COMMUNIST NIGGER! Keep telling yourself that white christians support the murderers of christ! Keep telling yourself that white christians support the disgusting insults towards Mary & the Son of God in your dirty talmud zionist book! Go ahead cunt! FUCK the SIN-a-GOG of SATAN! FUCK the zionist terrorist bombing of the USS liberty! CHRIST KILLERS! DIRTY KIKES! HITLER SAVE US!
@sherhak Just because someone is incompetent and/ moronic, doesn't meant they aren't terrorists deserving to be sent home in a body bag. Its clear from all evidence that these "peace activists" stockpiled weapons on the ship--steel poles, guns & knifes to provoke a confrontation. Which is why they were armed on the deck waiting at 4 AM to intercept the Israeli boarding party. Video evidence shows ARMED terrorists attacking the Israelis even throwing them off the deck. No peaceful protest here!
@chgogrfx yes dear. black is white. war is peace. day is night. it sucks to be upside down, stark raving mad, and forever wondering why no one ever likes you or believes your pathological lies. it sucks to be israel! may you be severely humbled soon.
@sherhak The terrorists were sent home in body bags and the Palestinians are still wallowing in their own filth because people like you don't care about them as humans--just as meaningless pawns. HUMANITARIAN" aid can be go through the border controlled by Egypt & Hamas. Ironically the "aid" on this ship was REFUSED by Hamas who (like you) would rather see these people starve to death than to allow western nations to assist them. That is why all aid money going to Hamas is used to buy weapons
@chgogrfx for example, did you know that in a native new zealand language, "israel" means cock sucker? you should check before you make silly insinuations about names and languages.
What's kind of ironic is that he is talking as if he was serious. It was the Israeli military who attacked the ships. That's the fact here. They begun to shoot at the flotilla, not the opposit. And then he is lying about Rachel.... i canät take this guy as serious in any kind of way. He is way too biased and he refuse to look at the facts
Liars! Again "stone to gun" stuff :) Israeli soldiers have problems of fear.They immediately fire their guns when they see a guy throwing a stone towards to them.I guess they feel like they are going to be attacked with some nuclear guns in the next step :) Really funny :) And don't say "RACHEL CORRİE'S NAME" with your dirty,terorist licker lips okay?
My Name is Leyla Ergun & I Am a messenger chosen by God-The Creator….Those who are causing harm to the innocent & Young Children will be punished by God-The Creator or by The True Messiah who is NOT Jesus Christ….The punishments will begin before this half of this century ends….God-The Creator is Love….Please Take the gift of immediate nirvana & enlightenment & end your wrong doings before it is too late as there will be no second chances on Judgement Day!!!!
"If Christians refuse to live a life of inferiority, then this signals their rebellion and the unavoidable necessity of Jewish warfare against their very presence." [Cf. Mordechai Nisan, Kivunim (official publication of the World Zionist Organization), August, 1984, pp. 151-156].
Great report Shraga. You've stated the issues well and out of it I just hope that people will stand up and take notice of the never ending lies that the media is bent on portraying, set up for the sole purpose of delegitimizing Israel. It would be a pleasant surprise IF one day the truth is really told. It's a sad day when activists are roped in to support terrorism of this kind, and it seems, without them really knowing what's going on. "Free Gaza" is Israel's hope and Hamas's nightmare.
What a shameful propaganda put forward by the Illegal Israelis. Why doesn't so called zionist Israel answer these questions
1- Why humanitarian aids are blocked from the poor and needy Palestinian People?
2- Why did IDF attack using live fire and real bullets, if their intention was only to stop the activists from delivering needed aids to the Palestinians, why did IDF aggressively attack the ship and killed more than 7 activists and wounded a large number of others.
Jews have been homeless for thousands of years, in last 10.000 years , they couldn't even built a single country so called CHOSEN people. Jews have been living in other peoples' countries but TURKS never lived in jews lands , because Jews never owned one. About Turkey's nuclear arsenal just type to you tube -Turkish nuclear weapons- See it yourself ! Turks had nukes long before tiny israel was created by westerns.Stop comparing lion TURKEY to tiny ant-rat israel... Turkey will be world leader !
No matter if you have nukes or you don't, but if most of the Turks are stupid as you are, i can sleep feeling safe ...
Lets live a story about "Jews never had a state" aside (it's just to stupid to discuss), but first nuclear bomb was created in 1945, Israel was created in 1947 and had first nuke in late 60's(exact date unknown) .
BTW how about Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan? I bet you conveniently forgot about that, ah?
@sniok1 Israel does not have nukes, israel never tested it, you jews are lying,trying to scare poor Palestenians,but TURKS have proof,just type-ilk nukleer TURK fuzesi:Ibrahim- in google search box,or go to haberturk.comgaleri,you will see medium range nukes.We TURKS are the most noble and honorable nation,lying is a jews' trademark.Tellerman and Turkish scientist Terzioglu invented hydrogen bomb,unlike jews we TURKS don't like to bragg about everything we invented,sweet dream loser jew !!!
@AtillaCengizTimur Why name a country after a bird that is slaughtered every year during a big feast?? Why not just call yourself CHICKEN? Turkey is the leftovers from the Ottoman empire that occupied Israel and the rest of the middle east.
There is an old saying--THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND. Which is why Turkey and Israel have been friends. Syria and Iran are not your friends. Its too bad you people are too brainwashed to notice.
I am surprised the Arabs let you survive this long.
@chgogrfx During ww2 Turkish diplomats saved 2 times more jews than USA and british diplomats combined.They did so for humanity sake for thousands of years to help poor,sick,unwanted oppressed people.Look at the pictures of those jews with a suitcase in their hands.Ungreatfull ones are low class,scum persons like u jew.It is called TURKIYE,not turkey,by the way all the birds and animals more precious than u low life,losers.Do not try to talk to me filthy,crooked jew.Homeless fuck jew, run run !
@AtillaCengizTimur So on one hand you are claiming some great humanitarian effort to save human life, but on the other you show you truly don't care one iota about your fellow human beings, referring to people you never met as scum, low class, etc. The hypocrisy coming out of your mouth is amazing. Turkey a country named after a bird MURDERS 1.5 million Armenians and you show no compassion---but 9 ARMED terrorist attack Israeli soldiers on a flotilla of fools and you shed crocodile teats.
@chgogrfx you insult his country, you make fun of the name of his country, not realizing that a name in one language doesn't translate or transfer to another language ... then you call him a hypocrite for responding to your attacks??? as i said, it must suck to be a neurotic, crazy, lonely, upside down liar and deceiver, now exposed and disliked by the entire civilized world. it sucks to be israel.
@sherhak I did not call him a hypocrite for his response to me, I called him a hypocrite for ignoring the murder of 1.5 million Armenians and 10's of thousands of Kurds by his own country and still claim humanitarianism. I hate to confront you with facts, but the flotilla of fools were ARMED TERRORISTS whose intention was to provoke confrontation. Thousands of supply trucks go to Gaza every week. Hamas REFUSES (or confiscates) most aid because the people are worth more to them DEAD than ALIVE.
@AtillaCengizTimur Turkey murders thousands of Kurds. U don't seems 2 concerned about that. Did you see Midnight Express--the same progressive liberals who produced that movie have U convinced Israel is UR enemy. Your enemy is IRAN & SYRIA & all of the repressive authoritarian regimes that lead Arabs & Muslims to war--not Israel. Palestinians were given a state 63 years ago--instead they went to war & lost everything. They don't want peace, they don't want a state, they want to eliminate Israel
@chgogrfx yet iran or syria have not invaded and raided ships and murdered citizens like israel has done to both my and his country as in mavi marmara and uss liberty. israel has murdered our citizens on our ships you fool.
@sherhak Iran and Syria haven't done what?? Excuse me--can you READ? Iran is arming terrorists groups all over the world--waging proxy wars killing THOUSANDS of innocent people--including Americans, Canadians, Brits, etc. Syria is doing the same and MURDERING their own citizens. International law allows for an embargo during war time. One projectile shot over a border is an act of war. Hamas has launched 10's of thousands of missiles, rockets and mortars aimed at Israel civilians.
your attack on the USS Liberty was an act of war on united states. but then you'll say, "that was a mistake." to which i'll say, in israel's world of deception, war is peace, lie are truth, black is white. back to square one. it's always an exercise in futility to engage with those trained in lies and propaganda.
You mean YOUR ATTACK on the USS COLE or YOUR ATTACK on the American Embassy in Tehran & Beirut or YOUR ATTACK on the Olympic Athletes in Munich or YOUR ATTACK on Pearl Harbor or YOUR ATTACK on London. In all likelihood you are far more responsible for each one of these murderous attacks than I am for the USS Liberty.
Referring to an unrelated incident from 1967 discussing ARMED Turkish provocateurs is to paraphrase YOUR hero Saddam Hussein the mother of all Non Sequitur
@chgogrfx by "your" i meant israel's. what do you mean by "my attack"? i'm nether irani, syrian, iraqui, turkish, nor palestinian, speaking as a secular american christian and world citizen. i'm unbiased, actually, just stating facts.
@sherhak I am none of the above either, so by your, I am talking about leftist activist who acts like a moral midget trying to equivocate self defense with terrorism. And nothing you have stated so far has any basis in fact.
Why were the provocateurs heavily armed? Why were they on the deck of the ship at 4 AM? Why did they attack Israelis repelling to the deck? Why did they tell the Israelis to go back to Auschwitz? Why are they supporting terrorists who control Gaza?
@chgogrfx your options are limited. either IDF troops were murderers or total incompetents. some of the activists were shot in the back. how defensive is it to shoot someone in the back, especially if you're a heavily armed and highly trained soldier? why would you raid a ship if you aren't trained in crowd control and non-lethal means?
when people are raided, they tend to get pissed, so they yell whatever may most hurt the raider. it's not a time to hold people to political correctness.
@sherhak TRUTH isn't limited to your narrow view. IDF came with PAINTBALL guns & a small side arm in holster expecting a peaceful group like all of the others. The intention was to direct the ship to a port for inspection--WHICH IS 100% legal according to international law. Terrorists disarmed the first wave using their sidearms against them. IDF did not use deadly force until their lives were in danger. Some of the terrorist shot each other. Some were shot while threatening IDF officers.
@sherhak It makes no difference if the terrorist was shot in the back or front since video shows them holding weapons aimed at IDF & standing over IDF officers beating them with pipes. IDF was cleared to engage the ARMED terrorists when their lives were endangered. Your logic is faulty--the IDF intention was to murder, HUNDREDS would have been dead, not 9.
Lethal weapons were smuggled onto the ship by the terrorists. The IDF was not expecting a "humanitarian" ship to be heavily armed.
@sherhak WRONG--the ineptitude of the TERRORISTS is not a proof of innocence. IDF officers were severely wounded, at least 1 dragged below deck taken hostage & several others beaten & tossed off the deck.
If 30 - 50 well trained & heavily armed commandos with hostile intentions land on deck of a ship, not a living creature would remain---IF THEIR INTENTIONS WERE HOSTILE.
Which is my point--they were armed with a paintball gun & a side arm which wasn't pulled until their lives were threatened.
@sherhak The ship crew yelled GO BACK TO AUSCHWITZ before they were raided! That was the response when the IDF asked them to re-direct the ship.
Why do U make excuses for BIGOTED terrorists!! This was supposed to be a "humanitarian" mission, but they were heavily armed, refused to redirect, shouted GO BACK TO AUSCHWITZ & attacked the IDF when they boarded. If the IDF boarded the ship with guns-a-blazing as the terrorist allege, there would have been HUNDREDS dead. Instead of just 9 combatants
@sherhak In regards to this topic, no one was "raided or killed" because they were bigots. However, the bigotry exhibited combined with weapons found on board & the attack against the IDF shows a clear case of PREMEDITATED hostile intent by a group of people on board this ship.
Hamas is an international outlaw that has killed thousands of innocents world wide, indiscriminately targeting non-combatants. They hold by no legal or ethical code of conduct. Yet, you continue to make excuses for them
Ahmadinejad & Kim Jong il are international outlaws who arm terrorists, shoot at civilians & break international conventions.
Hamas is not free of liability for their crimes against humanity simply because they won some elected seats in 2004. They don't even pretend to uphold international codes of conduct. Being elected is not an excuse to defer morality. Would you do the same for all human rights violators in China or USSR? N.Korea is starving people to death, where is your moral outrage?
Anyone who mentions the USS Liberty has a DEFINITE ax to grind and is anything but unbiased.
An unbiased person would ask how we can free Gaza from the authoritarian islamofacist terrorists who have a vice like grip over this population and are using them as pawns in a game of political chess vs Israel and the non-fundamentalist Muslim world. Someone unbiased wouldn't dredge up an irrelevant event from 44 years ago to deflect the immorality of Hamas supporters.
@chgogrfx but the part that seems to be lost on you is that it isn't up to you or me to tell people whom they can and cannot democratically elect. how we feel about islamists is irrelevant to the people who choose to elect their own governments. we don't have to like hamas, it's up to the palestinians to decide.
no, i bring up the past even because it's relevant to raid of ships in international waters, and why a turkish citizen might be very upset.
@sherhak DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED??? Are you on drugs? There hasn't been an election since 2004. Hamas overthrew he elected body and dangled their supporters head first off rooftops.
You argument is completely illogical.
Yes we can do something about the "elected" representatives when the representatives are TERRORISTS. Would it have made a difference if Bin Laden had been elected? Adolph Hitler & Joseph Stalin were elected, so is Ahmadinejad, Assad, Mubarak, Kim Jong IL, etc. etc.
@chgogrfx turkey and USA have that in common. they both have been attacked by israel in international waters. and true enough, americans are still totally baffled by that event cause it has never been entirely resolved. i suspect turks too in 50 years still be pissed about this. all this does not bode well for israel, even if it seems to have gotten away with it momentarily.
@sherhak Sorry to burst your bubble with facts---nearly 90% of the US populace sides with Israel & 11% side with Palestinians---this doesn't just include politicians & diplomats---it includes military & intelligence operatives.
There is always a Hanoi Jane or Sean Penn in the crowd instigating things. Why they value their HATRED of Israel over the well being Gazans dominated by an islamofacist terrorist group who indiscriminately targets innocents all over the world is beyond my understanding.
@chgogrfx lol... 29% of americans cannot locate the USA on a world map. i'm guessing another 30% have no idea how to locate israel or palestine on a map, much less have an opinion about political matters between the two. when americans were told to hate muslims, some went out and murdered seiks cause of the turban. do you really want their support? lol
@sherhak so your ELITIST view of your own opinion rises to the surface. You know better than everyone else, therefore ONLY your opinion counts. The 29% of Americans who cannot find things on a world map also includes the people who support Palestinians.
I do agree that some morons attacked Seiks & I don't identify with them or their actions.
There is a world of difference between a Muslim and an islamofacist who thinks it is his Allah divined duty to kill all of the infidels.
@sherhak Yes indeed, U R the humblest person U know while U go around tooting your own horn about how UNBIASED U R.
I know & love many people of every faith & consider a man or woman who has a true love of God to be my brother or sister. WE are the majority--not the shrill vocal minority. That is why I am confronting the mythology you are spreading. And I assure you that most Palestinian supporters are amongst the 29% whom you claim couldn't find Israel on a map.
@sherhak Turkey was NOT attacked by Israel. A ship ILLEGALLY attempting to run a LEGAL maritime blockade in Israeli coastal waters was re-directed. Armed TERRORISTS on board attacked the IDF. Turkey had nothing to do with this & neither does something that happened 47 years earlier. That red herring shows your 100% biased sentiment before you even say another word.
BTW it was just announced Turkey increased trade with Israel up to $3.5 billion & is looking at ways to return its ambassador.
@sherhak Isn't Turkey illegally occupying Cyprus? Didn't Syria MURDER the Prime Minister of Lebanon? Didn't Iran behead some innocent people practicing Baha'i recently??
HELOOOOO IS THERE ANYONE WITH ANY ACTUAL MORALS OUT THERE??
If you are going to claim some sort of bogus moral high ground while attempting to blame Israel for legally defending itself against armed instigators, at least have the decency to admit to how deep a patch animal manure you are stepping in.
@chgogrfx but you only attempt to divert attention. what does any of this have to do with the mavi marmara raid? yeah, there are a lot of other jerks in the world. that doesn't make israel any less of a jerk.
@sherhak I am deflecting attention? My point was stated in my first post and each post thereafter. These were armed instigators on a BOGUS "humanitarian" mission attempting to run a LEGAL shipping blockade of a TERRORIST organization. The instigators were armed with metal poles, clubs, knifes and guns and were sitting at 4 AM on the deck of the ship waiting for the Israelis. They immediately attacked the Israelis as they repelled onto the ships deck--shooting some & taking 1 Israeli prisoner.
@sherhak The fact they they were NOT successful at either running the blockade of Hamas or murdering Israelis as AtillaCengizTimur said is irrelevant.
BTW--Hamas refused the aid because it didn't contain weapons or weapons building materials. Hamas is more concerned about murdering Israelis and other INFIDELS than it is with feeding their own people.
And, according to all reputable groups and news services there are NO SHORTAGES in Gaza. You want to help Gaza--get rid of Hamas!!
@chgogrfx No kurds want to live in cruel, torturing ,terrorist state in israel.# 1 most hated country :ISRAEL,
most hated people on earth ; JEWS .Who wants to be friend of terrorists,ungreatfull jews.Watch real videos about midnight express on youtube, hear it from the guy who was in jail in Turkey.Movie is fictional ,just like fictional state of israel.Separate realty from imaginary hollywood movies. Go ask land from Germans who killed 6 million jews,germans are your enemies not poor arabs..
Israel does not have an image problem, it has a reality problem. Its well-documented war crimes and brutal siege in Gaza, its expanding settlements in the West Bank, its slow ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem and apartheid wall, its escalating racism against Palestinian citizens of Israel, its use of extra-judicial executions and torture and its killing of unarmed activists on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla cannot be concealed.
Israel crossed a WORDWIDE blockade on APARTHEID South Africa to give it WEAPONS/TORTURE Equipment but complains when the WORLD wants to give FOOD/MEDICAL aid to impoverished Gazans?
Israel caused murder, destruction of property, kidnapping and destruction and with-holding of evidence.
And Israel is saying it was an act of self-defense?
Why not tell your viewers about the FACT that Israel is the worst offender of UN Violations, think about that .... FYI listen to an actual jewish human being Dr Finkelstein
And after today when some Muslim terrorist tried to kill many Swedish ppl in Stockholm, I feel that the need to support and to understand Israel is GREATER!
God bless Israel in the face of danger. The world is watching and the world can see who is the evil here and who tries just to live in peace in their tiny country!
Two thumbs down for another propaganda by Israel. Only blind and deaf people will believe your propaganda O Shraga Simmons. The best analogy is after this, do not react to intruders(IDF) who want to rob your house(Mavi Marmara) and rape your wife. Stay still and don't even try to use your kitchen knife(weapon) to defend your family. Because intruders(IDF) will then declared as heroes by MediaGoliath.
Israel locks the Palestinians into an open air prison and then wants a pat on the back for allowing food in to the prison. It's the height of hypocrisy and absurdity.
@MPedroful yeh they should just let hamas terrorists walk right in2 israel so that they can shoot down or blow up civilians. terrorist attacks have significantly decreased since israel controls who and w@ goes in & out of gaza. israel needs 2 protect its citizens. u'd expect the same from ur own country. the US did the same over the Cuban missile crisis.
u cant call it hypocrisy or absurdity, th@s just a poor way of saying u have no viable solution 2 the issues both sides face
What a shameless country Filled with shameless people.
Gaza is a Prison! a waste ground if you will. still it gets bombed on a daily basis. its like shooting fish in a waterless' barrel. i support EVERY SINGLE suicide bomber, because i understand. one suicide bomber kills 5 maybe 10 maybe even 15 people on a bus.. an Israeli bomb wipes out 5 maybe 10 maybe even 15 WHOLE FUCKING FAMILIES. i support the guy with nothing left but to use his body as the ultimate weapon.
@donUK69 u clearly know very little 2 b making those accusations. not only about israel bombing gazans. but also suicide bombers. most r not ppl with nothing left, most r young males who have a future. they r approached by a couple of guys with a bomb jacket and r told 2 go blow themselves up on a bus or w@ever. they dont have a choice. if they refuse, theyll kill him. if he hesitates, theyll suppose hes an israli snitch and kill him. the only way to protect his family is to wear it.
@donUK69 u clearly know very little 2 b making those accusations. not only about israel bombing gazans. but also suicide bombers. most r not ppl with nothing left, most r young males who have a future. they r approached by a couple of guys with a bomb jacket and r told 2 go blow themselves up on a bus or w@ever. they dont have a choice. if they refuse, theyll kill him. if he hesitates, theyll suppose hes an israli snitch and kill him. the only way to protect his family is to wear it.
@donUK69 u also dont understand y so many more gazans die than israelis. it may shock u to know that Hamas shot 6000 rockets within 8 years. th@s almost 2 rockets a day. this was b4 israel did op. cast lead. should israel put up with th@? no! the difference is, gaza is densely populated, hence its more likely to kill more ppl. if hamas could shoot more accur8ly and into more populated areas they would. they aim for civilians, israel aims for the terrorist cells.
@donUK69 the problem is that hamas r not a country. the terrorists hide with the civilians. theres no front line like in a regular war. if they wanted hamas could aim at the army bases th@ r separ8 from israeli civilians but they dont. israel does a darn good job in locating the terrorists. unfortun8ly they stash their weapons in schools, hospitals and mosques. israel has the right 2 defend themselves & not put up with hamas. dont go making accusations u have no reasonable answer to.
@BeatOutsideTheBox1 here's the part YOU do not understand, there is no such thing as a 'terrorist' in Gaza nor in Iraq for that matter. they dont hide among civilians, THEY ARE THE CIVILIANS. see the difference. no? course not.. Israel are the real terrorists. Summer of 2007 more then 1000 children died in Israeli air strikes. Im merely scratching the surface here but we could go into it if you like. so dont talk to me about 'tactically taking out terrorist cells' coz thats bullshit.
@donUK69 i think u just made my point. the terrorists r civilians. th@s w@ makes it so easy 2 say israelis r killing civilians. u dont no, bcuz u've never been to israel, gaza or even fought in the idf. theyd rather b martyrs than get takn in2 israeli custody. u can throw statistics all day. like i said, if hamas could shoot tel aviv and heavily popul8d areas they would.by comparison,theyv bombed israel so much more than israel has bombed back.they just dont hit many & u never hear when they do
@BeatOutsideTheBox1 now you say the suicide bombers are 'forced' to strap on a belt and go blow it up by some nut with a gun to his head threatening his family. watch this /watch?v=vZ97NUvH3WY i think iv made my point. a college graduate in Law who had his family wiped out has nothing left but his body and he is willing to sacrifice it. Who made him do it? Israel. thats right they gave him no other option. he might as well blow himself up, he knows he could die tomorrow so why die in vain
@donUK69 israel is the only country th@ sends leaflets to the places they r about 2 bomb. 3 languages 24hrs b4hand. they shouldnt have 2. man wake up. i would say i was a law graduate 2 if it got me sympathy. the guy is brainwashed in2 doing this 4 hamas"i await orders from my leaders". "i will carry out any task where the enemy operates", he's killing civilians not soldiers. maybe he should interview those who r not hamas. read Ashraf Abu al-Houl's report on gaza.
@donUK69 ur video is not a video th@ summ8s all suicide bombers. israel doesnt even bother going after the bombers. they're after the money men and the architects. the guy in ur video is a pawn used by hamas. they convince him its w@ g-d wants and so he does it.
the reason the leaflets dont work is bcuz hamas stops the innocent from leaving so they can b martyrs in the media.
@donUK69 + israel does more for the gazans than any1.even hamas. they send 1000s of tonnes of aid EVERY WEEK 2 gaza.get out of ur UK bubble. go see it 4 urself.how is it th@ hamas has built an olympic size swimming pool or a western style shopping mall? there r gazans in need but hamas choose 2 spend money on luxuries and weapons 2 use on israel. yeh lets go into it. u know nothing. ur probs some uni student who goes 2 rallies & thinks they know all the facts. u got no hope. no 1st hand evidence
You know just speaking like a electrician, I'm really not that smart. I do not really understand the Israel, Palestinian situation. Tho what I do see are Jewish people for almost my whole lifetime getting killed.... It might just might chill out the Palestinians out if they spend some cash on there own people instead of war. Fyi I think the land Israel is on is Turkish land, not Muslim land. I could be wrong. I hope the hatred does not come to America. Something tells me its in the mail.
Rabbi S., this is nothing less than an SOS. Please take this video off Youtube ASAP. It’s an old story anyway and its impact has certainly greatly diminished. You have become an obsession for me, watching you day in and day out is an absolute nightmare and since you seem to be highly regarded, I trust you’ll have enough respect, sensitivity and compassion for another Jewish soul, no matter what you think of it. Do it before it’s too late and the damage become irreparable.
The more I see this video, the more I desperately fall in love with this man. He’s like a magnet. I should have the courage to stop watching it once and for all but I simply don’t have the courage. It’s a great source of suffering for me and yet, I will continue watching it as long as it’s there. Cursed be this Gaza flotilla for bringing me so much misery and anguish, especially before the High Holidays. Can’t help crying as I’m writing this.
First of all, the flotilla was in international waters when the Israeli commando's illegally boarded it, in the night I might add. Secondly Israeli commando's killed 11 peace activists, where as, no Israeli commando's were killed. So who's the aggressor here again?
@PeaceFroggs w@ a great argument. u brought all the facts to the table so u must be correct, right? or maybe ur just saying something u heard from the tv or some1 u know. i suggest u read the laws governing a maritime blockade. 2ndly, the equivalence of death is irrelevant. hamas have launched 1000s more rockets in2 israeli towns than the israelis have fired back, yet the majority of hamas' rockets have not hit many ppl. u cant claim quantitative analysis as proving the commandos in the wong
With his intelligence, his highly persuasive tone and devastating charm, the Prince Charming of rabbis has surely managed to impress a number of women, especially the single ones. I'm one of them and everytime I watch this video, my head spins.
Rabbi Simmons, when the next flotilla decides to once again damage Israel's image, let someone else tell the truth. Not you. Please.
J Street is calling on the U.S. Treasury Department to launch an investigation into whether American charities that fund Israeli settlement activity have broken the law. A recent New York Times report revealed a connection between an American organization that fundraises for Israeli political activity and "a former executive director of the banned Israeli political party Kahane Chai." Kahane Chai was designated a terrorist organization by the United States in 1994.
@KidVolcano Seriously? With an attitude like that no wonder there is no peace. Hatred only breeds hatred and you clearly aren't after peace if that's all you can come out with. Try to be a little less vitriolic, a little more reasonable and maybe people will listen to you more. Should I start listing contentious actions by the Palestinians? No, because it is unhelpful and will only result in the type of bad feeling toward each other that perpetuates the situation and helps no-one.
joeytwomugs 5 months ago
I was in both Israel and Palestine (not the Gaza strip though). (A) I didn't notice any hatred or ill contempt from Israelis or Palestinians. In Jerusalem both Arab Israelis and non Arabs seemed perfectly open - though certainly I did notice guards. (B) it didn't seem that Israelis just want to kill, kill, kill (though I'm sure there are nuts in every crowd). (C) Arabs aren't terrorists just for being Arab. (D) When Hamas declares an official position of acceptance, partnership could start
markheithaus 6 months ago
THEY ARE NOT TERRORISTS
JUST CUZ THEY ARE ARABS
ealghweir1 6 months ago
And btw, this is not the first time Reuters shows a Jew injured by Arabs and misdescribes him as an Arab injured by Jews.
Kurtlane 6 months ago
Exellent video. Excellent anaysis.
The media has always fallen for Paleo / Arab / Muslim propaganda hook, line and sinker. Every single major reported "Israeli attrocity" has turned out to be partial or complete fabrication, with media frenzy playing a major role in fabricating it.
And when Jews are killed, it is hardly even reported.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
And it will continue, because should media stop it, Palestinians will kidnap or kill journalists.
Thus whoever kills is right, and controls all the coverage.
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
As Tim Benson, director of the Cartoon Society, which gave Dave Brown the best cartoon award for cartoon depicting Sharon as a naked monster, eating babies, replied when asked why there are no depictions of Arafat eating babies, "because Jews don't issue [death] fatwas. If you upset an Islamic or Muslim group, as you know, fatwas can be issued by ayatollahs and suchlike. And maybe it's at the back of each cartoonist's mind that they could be in trouble if they do so"
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Kurtlane 6 months ago
Perhaps Jews should begin killing journalists and issuing death fatwas?
Kurtlane 6 months ago
@haybob
They are not denied medical or humanitarian aid, all Israel asked is to examine the ships so they can make sure there's no guns/missiles on the ships, Israel even offered to deliver the goods themselves under the supervision of the flotilla leaders. when the offer was denied Israel said they will allow the goods in if the Egypt army will check it for arms, this was declined also.
rotemfar 7 months ago
AND ITS OK FOR ISRAEL TO HAVE WEAPONS NOT THE PALESTINIANS
ealghweir1 6 months ago
Pallywood
DoodiePunk 7 months ago
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Do you forget how the palestinians celebrated after 9-11. You can check it out on youtube
ada2step 7 months ago
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Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum, Rebbe of Satmar, Hungary, later rabbi of Palestine
רבי יואל טייטלבוים זצ"ל אדמו"ר ואב" ד סאטמאר
If we were to put all the sins of this generation and all the transgressions committed in the entire world on one side of a scale, and the Zionist state on the other side, it would outweigh everything, for it is the poisonous source of the worst defilement, the worst cause of damage in the entire world, and they are ones who defile the entire world
shadowofears 8 months ago
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"Since 1948 Arab leaders have approached the Palestine problem in an irresponsible manner.... they have used the Palestine people for selfish political purposes. This is ridiculous and, I could say, even criminal."
- King Hussein of Jordan, 1960
braktuun 8 months ago
great report... check out our movie on the flotillas flytillas and other such ploys.
FreedomFlotillaTwo 8 months ago
I hope this guy isn't intentionally lying but what he is saying about Rachel Corrie is PROPAGANDA. She was murdered ie RUN OVER BY A FUC(ing TANK protecting the house of a DOCTOR and his family WHO HAD NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER TO TERRORISM... That's pretty disgusting... I have a feeling that this guy actually believes what he's saying because he loves his country and doesn't want to believe that they could do something like that but, man...
rgs11 8 months ago
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak
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Rachel Corrie was a brain dead twat who dove in front of a two story earhmover to save a TERRORIST smuggling tunnel. The driver could not see her because the windshield had to boarded up from the projectiles tossed at the vehicle. She fell out of his field of vision and guy didn't know he ran her over. She sacrificed her life for bubpkis!!
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx to call her a "twat" several times demonstrates that you have issues. Also, what you're saying is total fuc*ing bullshIt. The only thing which is true is that it was a Home-destroyer and not a tank which was used to FUC(ING MURDER a very good and SELFLESS person whom you (a disgusting asshole) call a "twat". You've got problems, buddy. Anyway, I know enough about the history of Israel not to be fooled by the bullshit we're allowed to see on TV so try your propaganda on someone else.
rgs11 8 months ago
@chgogrfx Also, I have nothing against Israel per say, just the policies of certain extremists. I have respect for Yitzach Rabin for example. But racism and terrorism is wrong... The "break the bones" campaign WAS EVIL. There is no excuse to terrorize an entire people and it's infinitely worse when that people is as defenseless as the Palestinians are. White Phosphorus versus Slingshots for example. Now, you can read the quotes of your own crazy leaders telling the truth about whats going on.
rgs11 8 months ago
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rgs11 8 months ago
@rgs11 It wasn't a tank it was a two story EARTHMOVER. The house was sitting over a TERRORIST smuggling tunnel in which weapons used to MURDER people were smuggled in from Egypt. The twat threw herself in front of this monster vehicle not realizing that driver could not see her because the windows had been boarded up to protect him from the projectiles hurled at the vehicle.
GET YOU FACTS STRAIGHT DUFUS!!
chgogrfx 8 months ago
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rgs11 8 months ago
@chgogrfx Finally, I have a lot of respect for Jewish people and think they have made some of the greatest contributions to civilization. Also, I believe that most Israelis are a lot like most Americans and have no idea about reality and genuinely believe that the whole world is out to get them. However, it is historically clear FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH that there has never been a significant existential threat to Israel and if there is one now it is a self-fulfilled prophecy.
rgs11 8 months ago
@rgs11 Your quotes are fabricated nonsense that say more about you than the people they try to slander.
braktuun 8 months ago
@braktuun You know very well that these quotes are genuine and that there are A WHOLE HELL OF LOT MORE WHERE THEY CAME FROM. If you are actually ignorant, I suggest you type them into google. If you can prove to me that even one is false, I will remove them all. I would prefer that they were false to be honest.
Anyway, how in the world do verbatim quotes of Israeli leaders say anything about me, genius?
rgs11 8 months ago
@rgs11 LOL. So you want me to prove a negative??? They're your qoutes, you prove them. Problem is you can't, no matter how many pro-hamas/nazi websites you lather yourself in. E.g Ariel Sharon quote originated from a 2001 press release by the.......wait for it........IAP (Islamic Association for Palestine).
braktuun 8 months ago 2
@braktuun nice cop-out, lol. Looks like someone needs to brush up on their logic. Some "negatives" actually can be proved, genius. For example, I can prove that I WASNT in a particular place by proving I was in another. I'll make it easier for you. All you have to prove is that the quotes are UNRELIABLE. How's that?
Anyway, at least you don't condone these quotes like some of the crazy Israelis I've talked to but I must admit that I have serious doubts as to your incredulity.
rgs11 8 months ago
@rgs11 Wrong again. An object being in one place and not another is physical proof. Do you have any physical proof of Sharons alleged statement? I'm waiting..............
braktuun 8 months ago
@braktuun Okay, it seems you're right about the Sharon quote. I can't tell if it's totally fabricated but since there is controversy and a highly dubious provenance, I will admit that I was wrong to put it up. I feel pretty stupid about it, actually. I'll be more careful in the future. That being said, there are plenty of quotes, the authenticity of which are not in question.
rgs11 8 months ago
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak First you read from Time Immemorial by Jane Peters and then the Siege by former Irish diplomat Connor Cruise O"Brien.
...and I don't base my opinion on any one of a thousand sources. Instead I have been there, traveled the middle east, sat down with the inhabitants, politicians, diplomats, etc. from ALL WALKS of LIFE and formed my own opinion over the past 30 plus years of intensive study.
Refute point by point one FACT I presented to you. I dare you...
chgogrfx 8 months ago
as for gilad shalit, how about mordechai vanunu being held by israel?
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak HOW DARE YOU COMPARE GILAD SHALIT WITH VANUNU!!
Check your facts--Vanunu isn't being held. He broke the law selling Israeli secrets to the highest bidder & was punished for his crimes. The terms of his release/parole limit his contact with the press, not his family.
Gilad Shalit is being held by Hamas cut off from the entire world with YEARS going by since the last proof of life. The Red Cross is outspoken on this gross inhumanity
Equating these 2 shows a gross absence of morality.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx you mean, kind of like jonathan fucking pollard??? before you jump on your high horse... FBI has stated we have more israeli spies in US than any other 'ally' nation. shalit is a soldier! soldiers are POW sometimes. neither do i equate him with innocent israeli civilians nor palestinian civilians.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak Jonathan Pollard served his time for his crime.
Why do you deflect everything by throwing out completely un-related red herrings? Are you that sick and pathetic that you have no compassion for Gilad Shalit who was KIDNAPPED and is being held without any contact the outside world? POWs get contact with the outside world. Cannot you not take one second to condemn Hamas for something that goes beyond all bounds of civility and decency?
What kind of immoral hate filled monster are you?
chgogrfx 8 months ago
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak I cannot find an ounce of sympathy for TERRORISTS who take up arms under the illicit claim to be on a "humanitarian" mission. Other delusional people on this mission might have thought it was for a "humanitarian" cause, but these people were armed and ready for the IDF boarding party. Every other ship over the past 5 years has cooperated and either left under their own power or was directed to an Israeli port for inspection and offloading of goods. THESE TERRORISTS HAD DIFFERENT PLANS
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak Hamas will not consider it because YOU haven't made it a condition of your support for Gaza!!
If the moral midgets of the world who support Hamas while overlooking the 10's of thousands of missiles, rockets & mortars they shoot at Israeli cities (NOT SETTLEMENTS) & all of the other terrorists acts they engage in---stop for a minute and DEMAND Hamas conduct themselves under accepted international principles of behavior---then MAYBE Gilad Shalit would be allowed to speak to his family.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
i feel badly for the many israelis who are peaceful and decent who're being lumped in with a bunch of extreme right wing, insane, maniacs. i hope they save their country from the war mongering, racist, ultra nationalists.
and needless to say, i feel very badly for palestinian civilians victimized by israel and by their own leaders.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak And what of the people victimized by 83 years of Arab terrorism? What about Gilad Shalit who is being held by Hamas isolated from the entire world (including the Red Cross) for over FIVE years against every code of conduct and human decency? What about the Israeli victims of Palestinian terror? The family HACKED TO DEATH in their sleep??
You feel nothing for them? Does Israel not have the right to defend themselves against these atrocities?
Your morality or lack of is astounding.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak I don't read your blog. I can only see what you have written to me & this is the first time you have a stated anything even remotely close to sympathy for Israeli victims of Palestinian terrorism.
There is clearly a chicken and an egg in this but that is a different discussion.
You have equated Israeli defense of its citizens and its territory--which is LEGAL under international law with that of terrorists groups who do not hold by any code of conduct.
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chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak Israel does not intentional target non-combatants. There is no such thing as use of indiscriminate force against terrorism because terrorism is illegal. Palestinian terrorist groups terrorize their own population as much if not more than they do the Israeli population.
According the Geneva convention it is illegal to engage in combat using a civilian population as cover & it is illegal to specially target non-combatants (HAMAS and FATAH are guilty of this).
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chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx i'd nominate you to be minister of hasbara, but everything you've said can just as easily be said in defense of palestinians. strange you mentioned chicken/egg arguments cause a while ago i was about to ask you which came first, israeli occupation/agression or hamas/fatah terrorism? you know, like saying native americans were all terrorists.
you cannot with a straight face talk about international law when israel has spit on every UN resolution against it.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak There is a major difference between Native Americans and Palestinians. Native Americans were here first and have a historical claim to the land. The palestinians ARE NOT indigenous to this land. They are offspring of migrants, bedouin and anyone else who wandered into the land as the Jews began to repopulate and develop it. These are facts. Check British and Ottoman population censuses from the late 1800's until the 1930's.
Do not be fooled by the never ending Palestinian mythology.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak International law goes well beyond the highly politicized UN which spends an inordinate time passing bogus resolutions equating Jewish nationalism with racism while ignoring millions of people being ethnically cleansed in Africa because it has nothing to do with condemning Israel.
The applicable code of conduct in warfare is set by the Geneva Conventions which Palestinians refuse to abide by. If they did you could eliminate 99.99% of all civilian casualties in this conflict.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak The Israelis were there first. They won the land in a defensive battle and they have the world's oldest land deed in the form of the old testament.
The Palestinians are migrants. They moved to the land for more freedom and better economic opportunities provided by the Jews of the Yeshuv. Palestinians are of the same ethnic group with NO difference from the Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians or Iraqis.
BTW--there is no letter "P" in Arabic. So obviously they don't come from PALESTINE.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak according to Palestinian mythology between .5 & 1.5 million Palestinians were driven from their homes by Jews in 1948--which would be incredible since there they also claim the Jews were a small minority group in the land.
So explain how less than 500,000 poorly armed & trained Jews the overwhelming majority of whom were escaping oppression in Europe (according to Palest mythology) fought off the collective forces of 5 Arab armies & still had time to drive out Palestinian population?
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak THE ANSWER
Palestinian identity is based on two things, hatred of Jews/jealousy and mythology.
They created a mythology that doesn't hold up to daylight. 500,000 Jews couldn't hold off 5 PROFESSIONAL Arab armies and manage to chase away 1.5 million Arabs. The Jews were fighting with surplus WWI weaponry because of arms embargo, while the Arab legion was fighting with British weapons & training.
Either there were more Jews present or it was with God's intervention or its mythological
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak When were a 1000 civilians killed in Gaza? IF you mean during the war that HAMAS started by shooting 10's of thousands of missiles at Israel, then you have your #s wrong. The overwhelming bulk of those killed were Hamas operatives. Hamas has admitted this.
Its unfortunate when a civilian is killed in war. However these people are dead because HAMAS started a war with Israel and illegally used their own civilians & infrastructure for cover. Hamas bears 100% responsibility for the dead
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak Not a single person is being held by Israel completely cut off from the entire world without the opportunity to speak with their family through international organizations.
A morally centered person can raise hell about an injustice regardless of all of the other noise. Even if you think Israel is an immoral country--you still have NO justification for your silence in this matter
Israel considers EVERY LIFE sacred. Its not Israel's fault that the Palestinian leadership doesn't agree.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak Golda Meir said “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”. This quote is as true today as it was when she said it.
I don't see peace between the Palestinians & Israelis until the Arabs cherish their children and care for their children's future more than they hate Israelis. They have bred generations from the cradle to the grave on hatred of Jews demonizing Jews calling them the offspring of pigs and monkeys (meaning less than human).
chgogrfx 8 months ago
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sherhak 8 months ago
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak Abu Abbas is on record as saying 1) King Solomon's Temple did not exist 2) Jews have no historical ties to Jeruslaem 3) Jews will not be allowed to live anywhere in the PA and 4) Jews will be given limited access to any religious cites (read NONE) within the PA.
In the PA as well as most Arab countries, it is illegal to sell property to a Jew---the crime is punishable by DEATH and the punishment is usually taken care of ex-judiciously by a lynch mob.
Care to explain this RACISM??
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak I have no idea what you are talking about. The overwhelming majority of Jews living in Israel were born in Arab countries (or the children of those born in Arab countries) yet they have been discriminated against by their fellow ARABS--driven out of the lands of their birth forced to leave all of their property behind.
Jews come in all shapes & colors from every part of the globe--they are multi-racial---yet the Arabs consider them DHIMMI. Is that the RACISM you are referring to?
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak Or are you referring to the institutional racism that prevents Jews from visiting Saudi Arabia or buying land in the PA or living in Jordan. Where is your moral outrage at this racism?
A single Rabbi who pronounced a prohibition to renting to Arabs did so because many of the Arabs turned around and committed acts of violence--attacking their neighbors. It wasn't racism--it was safety. And the cause wasn't the Rabbi, it was the Arab's who violated the trust attacking their neighbors.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak What you are referring to is a legal ruling that states if someone attacks you and you feel your life is in danger, then you are allowed to take this life. Every system of justice including the US legal system has justifiable homicide on the books. The difference between MURDER & KILLING is MURDER is never justifiable while killing can be justified. The 10 Commandments actually says THOU SHALT NOT MURDER.
You R parroting what U hear without thinking about it. You sound like a toddler.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak While Israel makes every attempt to avoid civilian casualties, the responsibility for civilian casualties rest upon the party engaging in the illegal operations--which in this case is clearly the Palestinian terrorist groups.
So, while I feel for every single palestininian casualty, I understand that the ultimate responsibility for these unintentional deaths is with the Palestinian terrorists who refuse to play by the rules preferring instead to engage in illegal asymmetric warfare.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
BIG LIES. It's not because no Israelis were killed that they are murderers. YES, they just defended themselves. Any other country would do the same. Eventually ,the TRUTH will come out, no matter what.
bluewhite101 8 months ago
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whitechristian1066 8 months ago
numbers speak louder than all lies and propaganda.
activists killed= 9
israelis killed = 0
yeah, they were so armed and dangerous, LOL. some of those murdered were shot 4 times in the back. self defense?
don't you have any integrity? no self respect? karma?
sherhak 9 months ago
@sherhak Just because someone is incompetent and/ moronic, doesn't meant they aren't terrorists deserving to be sent home in a body bag. Its clear from all evidence that these "peace activists" stockpiled weapons on the ship--steel poles, guns & knifes to provoke a confrontation. Which is why they were armed on the deck waiting at 4 AM to intercept the Israeli boarding party. Video evidence shows ARMED terrorists attacking the Israelis even throwing them off the deck. No peaceful protest here!
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx yes dear. black is white. war is peace. day is night. it sucks to be upside down, stark raving mad, and forever wondering why no one ever likes you or believes your pathological lies. it sucks to be israel! may you be severely humbled soon.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak The terrorists were sent home in body bags and the Palestinians are still wallowing in their own filth because people like you don't care about them as humans--just as meaningless pawns. HUMANITARIAN" aid can be go through the border controlled by Egypt & Hamas. Ironically the "aid" on this ship was REFUSED by Hamas who (like you) would rather see these people starve to death than to allow western nations to assist them. That is why all aid money going to Hamas is used to buy weapons
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx for example, did you know that in a native new zealand language, "israel" means cock sucker? you should check before you make silly insinuations about names and languages.
sherhak 8 months ago
No this isn't a lie. This wonderful and charismatic man is saying the truth and you don't want to see it. You don't need to add profanities anyway.
bluewhite101 9 months ago
straight up lie! wtf dude go fuk ur self israel
onlylettersinname 9 months ago
What's kind of ironic is that he is talking as if he was serious. It was the Israeli military who attacked the ships. That's the fact here. They begun to shoot at the flotilla, not the opposit. And then he is lying about Rachel.... i canät take this guy as serious in any kind of way. He is way too biased and he refuse to look at the facts
Jasminewynja 10 months ago
Liars! Again "stone to gun" stuff :) Israeli soldiers have problems of fear.They immediately fire their guns when they see a guy throwing a stone towards to them.I guess they feel like they are going to be attacked with some nuclear guns in the next step :) Really funny :) And don't say "RACHEL CORRİE'S NAME" with your dirty,terorist licker lips okay?
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TheReasonUK 1 year ago
Good report.
RavenZ27 1 year ago
if you board a ship or any kind of vessel without permission then you better fucking expect to get stabbed to death.
oldnotweak 1 year ago 2
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"If Christians refuse to live a life of inferiority, then this signals their rebellion and the unavoidable necessity of Jewish warfare against their very presence." [Cf. Mordechai Nisan, Kivunim (official publication of the World Zionist Organization), August, 1984, pp. 151-156].
cadrolls1 1 year ago
Great report Shraga. You've stated the issues well and out of it I just hope that people will stand up and take notice of the never ending lies that the media is bent on portraying, set up for the sole purpose of delegitimizing Israel. It would be a pleasant surprise IF one day the truth is really told. It's a sad day when activists are roped in to support terrorism of this kind, and it seems, without them really knowing what's going on. "Free Gaza" is Israel's hope and Hamas's nightmare.
caBEECH890700 1 year ago
What a shameful propaganda put forward by the Illegal Israelis. Why doesn't so called zionist Israel answer these questions
1- Why humanitarian aids are blocked from the poor and needy Palestinian People?
2- Why did IDF attack using live fire and real bullets, if their intention was only to stop the activists from delivering needed aids to the Palestinians, why did IDF aggressively attack the ship and killed more than 7 activists and wounded a large number of others.
Enough with the lies Israel
Pinkcowdesigns 1 year ago
Jews have been homeless for thousands of years, in last 10.000 years , they couldn't even built a single country so called CHOSEN people. Jews have been living in other peoples' countries but TURKS never lived in jews lands , because Jews never owned one. About Turkey's nuclear arsenal just type to you tube -Turkish nuclear weapons- See it yourself ! Turks had nukes long before tiny israel was created by westerns.Stop comparing lion TURKEY to tiny ant-rat israel... Turkey will be world leader !
AtillaCengizTimur 1 year ago
@AtillaCengizTimur
No matter if you have nukes or you don't, but if most of the Turks are stupid as you are, i can sleep feeling safe ...
Lets live a story about "Jews never had a state" aside (it's just to stupid to discuss), but first nuclear bomb was created in 1945, Israel was created in 1947 and had first nuke in late 60's(exact date unknown) .
BTW how about Turkish occupation of Cyprus and Kurdistan? I bet you conveniently forgot about that, ah?
sniok1 1 year ago
@sniok1 Israel does not have nukes, israel never tested it, you jews are lying,trying to scare poor Palestenians,but TURKS have proof,just type-ilk nukleer TURK fuzesi:Ibrahim- in google search box,or go to haberturk.comgaleri,you will see medium range nukes.We TURKS are the most noble and honorable nation,lying is a jews' trademark.Tellerman and Turkish scientist Terzioglu invented hydrogen bomb,unlike jews we TURKS don't like to bragg about everything we invented,sweet dream loser jew !!!
AtillaCengizTimur 1 year ago
@AtillaCengizTimur Why name a country after a bird that is slaughtered every year during a big feast?? Why not just call yourself CHICKEN? Turkey is the leftovers from the Ottoman empire that occupied Israel and the rest of the middle east.
There is an old saying--THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND. Which is why Turkey and Israel have been friends. Syria and Iran are not your friends. Its too bad you people are too brainwashed to notice.
I am surprised the Arabs let you survive this long.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx During ww2 Turkish diplomats saved 2 times more jews than USA and british diplomats combined.They did so for humanity sake for thousands of years to help poor,sick,unwanted oppressed people.Look at the pictures of those jews with a suitcase in their hands.Ungreatfull ones are low class,scum persons like u jew.It is called TURKIYE,not turkey,by the way all the birds and animals more precious than u low life,losers.Do not try to talk to me filthy,crooked jew.Homeless fuck jew, run run !
AtillaCengizTimur 8 months ago
@AtillaCengizTimur So on one hand you are claiming some great humanitarian effort to save human life, but on the other you show you truly don't care one iota about your fellow human beings, referring to people you never met as scum, low class, etc. The hypocrisy coming out of your mouth is amazing. Turkey a country named after a bird MURDERS 1.5 million Armenians and you show no compassion---but 9 ARMED terrorist attack Israeli soldiers on a flotilla of fools and you shed crocodile teats.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx you insult his country, you make fun of the name of his country, not realizing that a name in one language doesn't translate or transfer to another language ... then you call him a hypocrite for responding to your attacks??? as i said, it must suck to be a neurotic, crazy, lonely, upside down liar and deceiver, now exposed and disliked by the entire civilized world. it sucks to be israel.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak I did not call him a hypocrite for his response to me, I called him a hypocrite for ignoring the murder of 1.5 million Armenians and 10's of thousands of Kurds by his own country and still claim humanitarianism. I hate to confront you with facts, but the flotilla of fools were ARMED TERRORISTS whose intention was to provoke confrontation. Thousands of supply trucks go to Gaza every week. Hamas REFUSES (or confiscates) most aid because the people are worth more to them DEAD than ALIVE.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@AtillaCengizTimur Turkey murders thousands of Kurds. U don't seems 2 concerned about that. Did you see Midnight Express--the same progressive liberals who produced that movie have U convinced Israel is UR enemy. Your enemy is IRAN & SYRIA & all of the repressive authoritarian regimes that lead Arabs & Muslims to war--not Israel. Palestinians were given a state 63 years ago--instead they went to war & lost everything. They don't want peace, they don't want a state, they want to eliminate Israel
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx yet iran or syria have not invaded and raided ships and murdered citizens like israel has done to both my and his country as in mavi marmara and uss liberty. israel has murdered our citizens on our ships you fool.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak Iran and Syria haven't done what?? Excuse me--can you READ? Iran is arming terrorists groups all over the world--waging proxy wars killing THOUSANDS of innocent people--including Americans, Canadians, Brits, etc. Syria is doing the same and MURDERING their own citizens. International law allows for an embargo during war time. One projectile shot over a border is an act of war. Hamas has launched 10's of thousands of missiles, rockets and mortars aimed at Israel civilians.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx
your attack on the USS Liberty was an act of war on united states. but then you'll say, "that was a mistake." to which i'll say, in israel's world of deception, war is peace, lie are truth, black is white. back to square one. it's always an exercise in futility to engage with those trained in lies and propaganda.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak MY ATTACK??
You mean YOUR ATTACK on the USS COLE or YOUR ATTACK on the American Embassy in Tehran & Beirut or YOUR ATTACK on the Olympic Athletes in Munich or YOUR ATTACK on Pearl Harbor or YOUR ATTACK on London. In all likelihood you are far more responsible for each one of these murderous attacks than I am for the USS Liberty.
Referring to an unrelated incident from 1967 discussing ARMED Turkish provocateurs is to paraphrase YOUR hero Saddam Hussein the mother of all Non Sequitur
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx by "your" i meant israel's. what do you mean by "my attack"? i'm nether irani, syrian, iraqui, turkish, nor palestinian, speaking as a secular american christian and world citizen. i'm unbiased, actually, just stating facts.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak I am none of the above either, so by your, I am talking about leftist activist who acts like a moral midget trying to equivocate self defense with terrorism. And nothing you have stated so far has any basis in fact.
Why were the provocateurs heavily armed? Why were they on the deck of the ship at 4 AM? Why did they attack Israelis repelling to the deck? Why did they tell the Israelis to go back to Auschwitz? Why are they supporting terrorists who control Gaza?
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx your options are limited. either IDF troops were murderers or total incompetents. some of the activists were shot in the back. how defensive is it to shoot someone in the back, especially if you're a heavily armed and highly trained soldier? why would you raid a ship if you aren't trained in crowd control and non-lethal means?
when people are raided, they tend to get pissed, so they yell whatever may most hurt the raider. it's not a time to hold people to political correctness.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak TRUTH isn't limited to your narrow view. IDF came with PAINTBALL guns & a small side arm in holster expecting a peaceful group like all of the others. The intention was to direct the ship to a port for inspection--WHICH IS 100% legal according to international law. Terrorists disarmed the first wave using their sidearms against them. IDF did not use deadly force until their lives were in danger. Some of the terrorist shot each other. Some were shot while threatening IDF officers.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak It makes no difference if the terrorist was shot in the back or front since video shows them holding weapons aimed at IDF & standing over IDF officers beating them with pipes. IDF was cleared to engage the ARMED terrorists when their lives were endangered. Your logic is faulty--the IDF intention was to murder, HUNDREDS would have been dead, not 9.
Lethal weapons were smuggled onto the ship by the terrorists. The IDF was not expecting a "humanitarian" ship to be heavily armed.
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak WRONG--the ineptitude of the TERRORISTS is not a proof of innocence. IDF officers were severely wounded, at least 1 dragged below deck taken hostage & several others beaten & tossed off the deck.
If 30 - 50 well trained & heavily armed commandos with hostile intentions land on deck of a ship, not a living creature would remain---IF THEIR INTENTIONS WERE HOSTILE.
Which is my point--they were armed with a paintball gun & a side arm which wasn't pulled until their lives were threatened.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak The ship crew yelled GO BACK TO AUSCHWITZ before they were raided! That was the response when the IDF asked them to re-direct the ship.
Why do U make excuses for BIGOTED terrorists!! This was supposed to be a "humanitarian" mission, but they were heavily armed, refused to redirect, shouted GO BACK TO AUSCHWITZ & attacked the IDF when they boarded. If the IDF boarded the ship with guns-a-blazing as the terrorist allege, there would have been HUNDREDS dead. Instead of just 9 combatants
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak In regards to this topic, no one was "raided or killed" because they were bigots. However, the bigotry exhibited combined with weapons found on board & the attack against the IDF shows a clear case of PREMEDITATED hostile intent by a group of people on board this ship.
Hamas is an international outlaw that has killed thousands of innocents world wide, indiscriminately targeting non-combatants. They hold by no legal or ethical code of conduct. Yet, you continue to make excuses for them
chgogrfx 8 months ago
Ahmadinejad & Kim Jong il are international outlaws who arm terrorists, shoot at civilians & break international conventions.
Hamas is not free of liability for their crimes against humanity simply because they won some elected seats in 2004. They don't even pretend to uphold international codes of conduct. Being elected is not an excuse to defer morality. Would you do the same for all human rights violators in China or USSR? N.Korea is starving people to death, where is your moral outrage?
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak oh and get a grip.
Anyone who mentions the USS Liberty has a DEFINITE ax to grind and is anything but unbiased.
An unbiased person would ask how we can free Gaza from the authoritarian islamofacist terrorists who have a vice like grip over this population and are using them as pawns in a game of political chess vs Israel and the non-fundamentalist Muslim world. Someone unbiased wouldn't dredge up an irrelevant event from 44 years ago to deflect the immorality of Hamas supporters.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx but the part that seems to be lost on you is that it isn't up to you or me to tell people whom they can and cannot democratically elect. how we feel about islamists is irrelevant to the people who choose to elect their own governments. we don't have to like hamas, it's up to the palestinians to decide.
no, i bring up the past even because it's relevant to raid of ships in international waters, and why a turkish citizen might be very upset.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED??? Are you on drugs? There hasn't been an election since 2004. Hamas overthrew he elected body and dangled their supporters head first off rooftops.
You argument is completely illogical.
Yes we can do something about the "elected" representatives when the representatives are TERRORISTS. Would it have made a difference if Bin Laden had been elected? Adolph Hitler & Joseph Stalin were elected, so is Ahmadinejad, Assad, Mubarak, Kim Jong IL, etc. etc.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx turkey and USA have that in common. they both have been attacked by israel in international waters. and true enough, americans are still totally baffled by that event cause it has never been entirely resolved. i suspect turks too in 50 years still be pissed about this. all this does not bode well for israel, even if it seems to have gotten away with it momentarily.
sherhak 8 months ago
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak Sorry to burst your bubble with facts---nearly 90% of the US populace sides with Israel & 11% side with Palestinians---this doesn't just include politicians & diplomats---it includes military & intelligence operatives.
There is always a Hanoi Jane or Sean Penn in the crowd instigating things. Why they value their HATRED of Israel over the well being Gazans dominated by an islamofacist terrorist group who indiscriminately targets innocents all over the world is beyond my understanding.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx lol... 29% of americans cannot locate the USA on a world map. i'm guessing another 30% have no idea how to locate israel or palestine on a map, much less have an opinion about political matters between the two. when americans were told to hate muslims, some went out and murdered seiks cause of the turban. do you really want their support? lol
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak so your ELITIST view of your own opinion rises to the surface. You know better than everyone else, therefore ONLY your opinion counts. The 29% of Americans who cannot find things on a world map also includes the people who support Palestinians.
I do agree that some morons attacked Seiks & I don't identify with them or their actions.
There is a world of difference between a Muslim and an islamofacist who thinks it is his Allah divined duty to kill all of the infidels.
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak Yes indeed, U R the humblest person U know while U go around tooting your own horn about how UNBIASED U R.
I know & love many people of every faith & consider a man or woman who has a true love of God to be my brother or sister. WE are the majority--not the shrill vocal minority. That is why I am confronting the mythology you are spreading. And I assure you that most Palestinian supporters are amongst the 29% whom you claim couldn't find Israel on a map.
Finklestein is an ASSCLOWN
chgogrfx 8 months ago
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sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak I think you mean DELUSIONAL??
Finklestein is NOT a scholar by any stretch of the imagination.
Chomsky is a professor of linguistics. This does not make him an authority or scholar on any subject outside of linguistics.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak Turkey was NOT attacked by Israel. A ship ILLEGALLY attempting to run a LEGAL maritime blockade in Israeli coastal waters was re-directed. Armed TERRORISTS on board attacked the IDF. Turkey had nothing to do with this & neither does something that happened 47 years earlier. That red herring shows your 100% biased sentiment before you even say another word.
BTW it was just announced Turkey increased trade with Israel up to $3.5 billion & is looking at ways to return its ambassador.
;p
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak Isn't Turkey illegally occupying Cyprus? Didn't Syria MURDER the Prime Minister of Lebanon? Didn't Iran behead some innocent people practicing Baha'i recently??
HELOOOOO IS THERE ANYONE WITH ANY ACTUAL MORALS OUT THERE??
If you are going to claim some sort of bogus moral high ground while attempting to blame Israel for legally defending itself against armed instigators, at least have the decency to admit to how deep a patch animal manure you are stepping in.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx but you only attempt to divert attention. what does any of this have to do with the mavi marmara raid? yeah, there are a lot of other jerks in the world. that doesn't make israel any less of a jerk.
sherhak 8 months ago
@sherhak I am deflecting attention? My point was stated in my first post and each post thereafter. These were armed instigators on a BOGUS "humanitarian" mission attempting to run a LEGAL shipping blockade of a TERRORIST organization. The instigators were armed with metal poles, clubs, knifes and guns and were sitting at 4 AM on the deck of the ship waiting for the Israelis. They immediately attacked the Israelis as they repelled onto the ships deck--shooting some & taking 1 Israeli prisoner.
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@sherhak The fact they they were NOT successful at either running the blockade of Hamas or murdering Israelis as AtillaCengizTimur said is irrelevant.
BTW--Hamas refused the aid because it didn't contain weapons or weapons building materials. Hamas is more concerned about murdering Israelis and other INFIDELS than it is with feeding their own people.
And, according to all reputable groups and news services there are NO SHORTAGES in Gaza. You want to help Gaza--get rid of Hamas!!
chgogrfx 8 months ago
@chgogrfx No kurds want to live in cruel, torturing ,terrorist state in israel.# 1 most hated country :ISRAEL,
most hated people on earth ; JEWS .Who wants to be friend of terrorists,ungreatfull jews.Watch real videos about midnight express on youtube, hear it from the guy who was in jail in Turkey.Movie is fictional ,just like fictional state of israel.Separate realty from imaginary hollywood movies. Go ask land from Germans who killed 6 million jews,germans are your enemies not poor arabs..
AtillaCengizTimur 8 months ago
excuses excuses. calling activists trying to help gaza "suicide activists"? thats shameless and sad...
Flameamaryllis 1 year ago
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Israel does not have an image problem, it has a reality problem. Its well-documented war crimes and brutal siege in Gaza, its expanding settlements in the West Bank, its slow ethnic cleansing of Jerusalem and apartheid wall, its escalating racism against Palestinian citizens of Israel, its use of extra-judicial executions and torture and its killing of unarmed activists on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla cannot be concealed.
Ayelyah 1 year ago
Israel's Hypocrisy
Israel crossed a WORDWIDE blockade on APARTHEID South Africa to give it WEAPONS/TORTURE Equipment but complains when the WORLD wants to give FOOD/MEDICAL aid to impoverished Gazans?
Israel caused murder, destruction of property, kidnapping and destruction and with-holding of evidence.
And Israel is saying it was an act of self-defense?
Am I missing something here?
saadasim 1 year ago
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MrSwede777 1 year ago
Her It Is youtube.com/watch?v=NU4vJKb_QC8 ! !!
MrSwede777 1 year ago
Why not tell your viewers about the FACT that Israel is the worst offender of UN Violations, think about that .... FYI listen to an actual jewish human being Dr Finkelstein
billy0012000 1 year ago
God bless Israel from the stupid lies and propaganda !!!!!!
and from the demonic hate the Islamist and other stupid people tell !! And GOD Protekt ISRAEL from the bombs they shote in-
to the LOvELY CONTRY ISRAEL !!!!
MrSwede777 1 year ago
@MrSwede777 I think you are 100% right.
And after today when some Muslim terrorist tried to kill many Swedish ppl in Stockholm, I feel that the need to support and to understand Israel is GREATER!
God bless Israel in the face of danger. The world is watching and the world can see who is the evil here and who tries just to live in peace in their tiny country!
2010rawtruth 1 year ago
@2010rawtruth Yes my friend !
It Is sou stupid politic In Sweden that they old politic and stupid left kommunist
peopel are try to talk that the demonic and hate muhamedans are peace full
religion :-(
her Is a super Intresant you Tube move with pastor and the famest Tv man Patt Robertsson with a famest Islam expert Robert Spencer !
MrSwede777 1 year ago
The Greeks, Kurds and Armenians are asking the Israeli Navy how to shoot up a boatload of Turks.
rachelgolem 1 year ago
Two thumbs down for another propaganda by Israel. Only blind and deaf people will believe your propaganda O Shraga Simmons. The best analogy is after this, do not react to intruders(IDF) who want to rob your house(Mavi Marmara) and rape your wife. Stay still and don't even try to use your kitchen knife(weapon) to defend your family. Because intruders(IDF) will then declared as heroes by MediaGoliath.
Poor Propaganda ! Haha..
Nuarx 1 year ago
When are we going to inspect Israel's nuclear arsenal?
MendingMedia 1 year ago 2
Israel locks the Palestinians into an open air prison and then wants a pat on the back for allowing food in to the prison. It's the height of hypocrisy and absurdity.
MPedroful 1 year ago
@MPedroful yeh they should just let hamas terrorists walk right in2 israel so that they can shoot down or blow up civilians. terrorist attacks have significantly decreased since israel controls who and w@ goes in & out of gaza. israel needs 2 protect its citizens. u'd expect the same from ur own country. the US did the same over the Cuban missile crisis.
u cant call it hypocrisy or absurdity, th@s just a poor way of saying u have no viable solution 2 the issues both sides face
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
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Israeli settler hits Palestinian children, then runs:
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How can something become MORE Luciferian? It cannot.
There you see another piece of proof.
Jesus (Yeshua) was a Palestinian:
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The Truth (about cosmos, nature, life and love) according to Yeshua himself:
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runarvollan 1 year ago
Is this guy for Real?!
What a shameless country Filled with shameless people.
Gaza is a Prison! a waste ground if you will. still it gets bombed on a daily basis. its like shooting fish in a waterless' barrel. i support EVERY SINGLE suicide bomber, because i understand. one suicide bomber kills 5 maybe 10 maybe even 15 people on a bus.. an Israeli bomb wipes out 5 maybe 10 maybe even 15 WHOLE FUCKING FAMILIES. i support the guy with nothing left but to use his body as the ultimate weapon.
donUK69 1 year ago
@donUK69 u clearly know very little 2 b making those accusations. not only about israel bombing gazans. but also suicide bombers. most r not ppl with nothing left, most r young males who have a future. they r approached by a couple of guys with a bomb jacket and r told 2 go blow themselves up on a bus or w@ever. they dont have a choice. if they refuse, theyll kill him. if he hesitates, theyll suppose hes an israli snitch and kill him. the only way to protect his family is to wear it.
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
@donUK69 u clearly know very little 2 b making those accusations. not only about israel bombing gazans. but also suicide bombers. most r not ppl with nothing left, most r young males who have a future. they r approached by a couple of guys with a bomb jacket and r told 2 go blow themselves up on a bus or w@ever. they dont have a choice. if they refuse, theyll kill him. if he hesitates, theyll suppose hes an israli snitch and kill him. the only way to protect his family is to wear it.
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
@donUK69 u also dont understand y so many more gazans die than israelis. it may shock u to know that Hamas shot 6000 rockets within 8 years. th@s almost 2 rockets a day. this was b4 israel did op. cast lead. should israel put up with th@? no! the difference is, gaza is densely populated, hence its more likely to kill more ppl. if hamas could shoot more accur8ly and into more populated areas they would. they aim for civilians, israel aims for the terrorist cells.
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
@donUK69 the problem is that hamas r not a country. the terrorists hide with the civilians. theres no front line like in a regular war. if they wanted hamas could aim at the army bases th@ r separ8 from israeli civilians but they dont. israel does a darn good job in locating the terrorists. unfortun8ly they stash their weapons in schools, hospitals and mosques. israel has the right 2 defend themselves & not put up with hamas. dont go making accusations u have no reasonable answer to.
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
@BeatOutsideTheBox1 here's the part YOU do not understand, there is no such thing as a 'terrorist' in Gaza nor in Iraq for that matter. they dont hide among civilians, THEY ARE THE CIVILIANS. see the difference. no? course not.. Israel are the real terrorists. Summer of 2007 more then 1000 children died in Israeli air strikes. Im merely scratching the surface here but we could go into it if you like. so dont talk to me about 'tactically taking out terrorist cells' coz thats bullshit.
donUK69 1 year ago
@donUK69 i think u just made my point. the terrorists r civilians. th@s w@ makes it so easy 2 say israelis r killing civilians. u dont no, bcuz u've never been to israel, gaza or even fought in the idf. theyd rather b martyrs than get takn in2 israeli custody. u can throw statistics all day. like i said, if hamas could shoot tel aviv and heavily popul8d areas they would.by comparison,theyv bombed israel so much more than israel has bombed back.they just dont hit many & u never hear when they do
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
@BeatOutsideTheBox1 now you say the suicide bombers are 'forced' to strap on a belt and go blow it up by some nut with a gun to his head threatening his family. watch this /watch?v=vZ97NUvH3WY i think iv made my point. a college graduate in Law who had his family wiped out has nothing left but his body and he is willing to sacrifice it. Who made him do it? Israel. thats right they gave him no other option. he might as well blow himself up, he knows he could die tomorrow so why die in vain
donUK69 1 year ago
@donUK69 israel is the only country th@ sends leaflets to the places they r about 2 bomb. 3 languages 24hrs b4hand. they shouldnt have 2. man wake up. i would say i was a law graduate 2 if it got me sympathy. the guy is brainwashed in2 doing this 4 hamas"i await orders from my leaders". "i will carry out any task where the enemy operates", he's killing civilians not soldiers. maybe he should interview those who r not hamas. read Ashraf Abu al-Houl's report on gaza.
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
@donUK69 ur video is not a video th@ summ8s all suicide bombers. israel doesnt even bother going after the bombers. they're after the money men and the architects. the guy in ur video is a pawn used by hamas. they convince him its w@ g-d wants and so he does it.
the reason the leaflets dont work is bcuz hamas stops the innocent from leaving so they can b martyrs in the media.
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
@donUK69 + israel does more for the gazans than any1.even hamas. they send 1000s of tonnes of aid EVERY WEEK 2 gaza.get out of ur UK bubble. go see it 4 urself.how is it th@ hamas has built an olympic size swimming pool or a western style shopping mall? there r gazans in need but hamas choose 2 spend money on luxuries and weapons 2 use on israel. yeh lets go into it. u know nothing. ur probs some uni student who goes 2 rallies & thinks they know all the facts. u got no hope. no 1st hand evidence
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
lame, the evidence was several years ago, not even from flotilla
nim88 1 year ago
You know just speaking like a electrician, I'm really not that smart. I do not really understand the Israel, Palestinian situation. Tho what I do see are Jewish people for almost my whole lifetime getting killed.... It might just might chill out the Palestinians out if they spend some cash on there own people instead of war. Fyi I think the land Israel is on is Turkish land, not Muslim land. I could be wrong. I hope the hatred does not come to America. Something tells me its in the mail.
MrDurcon 1 year ago
Rabbi S., this is nothing less than an SOS. Please take this video off Youtube ASAP. It’s an old story anyway and its impact has certainly greatly diminished. You have become an obsession for me, watching you day in and day out is an absolute nightmare and since you seem to be highly regarded, I trust you’ll have enough respect, sensitivity and compassion for another Jewish soul, no matter what you think of it. Do it before it’s too late and the damage become irreparable.
bluewhite101 1 year ago
The more I see this video, the more I desperately fall in love with this man. He’s like a magnet. I should have the courage to stop watching it once and for all but I simply don’t have the courage. It’s a great source of suffering for me and yet, I will continue watching it as long as it’s there. Cursed be this Gaza flotilla for bringing me so much misery and anguish, especially before the High Holidays. Can’t help crying as I’m writing this.
bluewhite101 1 year ago
First of all, the flotilla was in international waters when the Israeli commando's illegally boarded it, in the night I might add. Secondly Israeli commando's killed 11 peace activists, where as, no Israeli commando's were killed. So who's the aggressor here again?
PeaceFroggs 1 year ago
@PeaceFroggs w@ a great argument. u brought all the facts to the table so u must be correct, right? or maybe ur just saying something u heard from the tv or some1 u know. i suggest u read the laws governing a maritime blockade. 2ndly, the equivalence of death is irrelevant. hamas have launched 1000s more rockets in2 israeli towns than the israelis have fired back, yet the majority of hamas' rockets have not hit many ppl. u cant claim quantitative analysis as proving the commandos in the wong
BeatOutsideTheBox1 1 year ago
With his intelligence, his highly persuasive tone and devastating charm, the Prince Charming of rabbis has surely managed to impress a number of women, especially the single ones. I'm one of them and everytime I watch this video, my head spins.
Rabbi Simmons, when the next flotilla decides to once again damage Israel's image, let someone else tell the truth. Not you. Please.
MyRedempt 1 year ago 2
@the"truth" 4youguys
is mocking about the situation in GAZA
what a smart person.
his fabricated vid is not worth the time to look at it
he should hire to mediagoliathe, they are much smarter _ LOL_
to see how food is delivered to gaza
watch this one
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mrtattel 1 year ago
Guys , watch this if you love the Palestinians and if you are over 18:
The humanitarian crisis in Gaza, hard to watch images, you must be over 18 in order too view this video, you've been warned:
watch?v=bZpmvnEwDdU
Shocking!!!
thetruth4uguys 1 year ago
So here's another one 4u-
what country (and that's a singularity) has refused
to declare it's borders since it's existence ?
mrtattel 1 year ago
watch : occupation 101
to learn all about "the only denocracy in the middleeast"
mrtattel 1 year ago
@causeandeffectable
Wow that shocks me - Israel a democracy ?
Where is the constitution ?
Ah they don't need it,
they make their laws according to their agenda.
mrtattel 1 year ago
J Street is calling on the U.S. Treasury Department to launch an investigation into whether American charities that fund Israeli settlement activity have broken the law. A recent New York Times report revealed a connection between an American organization that fundraises for Israeli political activity and "a former executive director of the banned Israeli political party Kahane Chai." Kahane Chai was designated a terrorist organization by the United States in 1994.