KEEP ON, MY DEAR LITTLE BIG BROTHER, I WILL "SUSTAIN" YOU TO BRING UP THE "EMERGENCY" (INSTEAD OF THE "IMPOSING") OF A FREE-MINDED PHILOSOPHICO-SCIENTIFIC PARADIGM OF EXISTING AS INDIVIDUAL AND SINGULAR BEINGS. IN SHORT... WAW!
PS: I didn't use translation softwares to express my french-spoken mind.
“Science figures out the best way to live” <<< I love the way you say that [as if envisioning it as some utopia]- really I do... so er.. we're 7 billion as a race.. theres a shortage of food - what's the SCIENTIFIC answer to sustain our race?... well that would be of course forced birth control and depopulation :D... see why I told you to leave it to the big boys? Theres a reason why you're on youtube with a measly 7,000 views - it's because you understand fuck all about how this world works
@GoVir4l Never heard about sustainable growth? Hydroponic? Aquaonic? Vertical Growth and so on? No?!
By the way I'm pretty sure that the actual system can overcame this problem right? Right?!
You don't get science. The first man figured out that comunity work better through science, than thought about cultivate...after a lot of time they created the society 'cos it's what they needed..and they got it with science. Maybe VP/ZM will put us in bad water...still better than drowning don't you think?
@Ssmot - Yes - I think anyone with atleast one ear has heard about "sustainability" - these words you parrot do not necessarily mean what you think they mean - you could class Chinas mass birth control as "sustainable living" - you could class forced abortions/ "eco taxes" as "sustainability" - - you could even class depopulation & control of the worlds food supply as "sustainability" - see the picture? You're being lied to.
Wow these zeitgeist morons really do make me laugh - as if the whole of society was missing something... and all along it was zeitgeist lol - tell me something my little flower - do you think zeitgeist could ever stand up in the face of the American constitution or magna carta? Seriously - go play xbox you little fluff - and leave the thinking to the big boys. P.S. Zeitgeist and the information contained is mostly misleading and incorrect - it is a new age cult.
TZM/Venus Project is an absolutely Wonderful concept; but the WORLD can only change when WE “Wake-Up!” and understand “WHO” is Systematically and Stealthily Destroying it! TZM doesn't tell us “WHO OWNS” these Corporations and the Monetary systems; “WHY?” but: wake-upbeforeitstoolate(dot)com does! WE can use TZM network to Wake-The-Masses-Up and publicly EXPOSE and address the REAL problems that are facing 'OUR World today and Take-Back the CONTROL for... “EVERYONE'S... Future FREEDOM!!”
PETER JOSEPH SHOULD RUN FOR PREZ. THIS WOULD BRING AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF ATTENTION TO THIS MOVEMENT, WE NEED TO DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO BRING TZM TO THE MAINSTREAM IN A HUGE WAY, & THIS IS JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT! DON'T CRITICIZE ME FOR THINKING!!
I do agree with your video. The world is in pathetic shape. Our economy is a sick joke. Our politicians are not worth much to say the least. My best advice is to continue your own research! Don't take anyone's word as gold. Also, if you wish for social change, be sure you know what you're getting yourself into. You may share goals with a group, but that doesn't mean a shared outcome. You could follow a leader and end up in the same situation as before with the leader who benefits.
Frederico, these videos are fantastic (3 as I write today). Watching from England, I'm very impressed. The message of TZM has been expressed so very well by you with intelligence and passion. Much respect Sir. Please make more! Keep smiling, Wilf.
Very impressive! I would only disagree with the statement that we don't want a perfect society. Yes, we look for constant evolution towards a better and better society, and we doubt this process will ever stop, but we do want a perfect society, surely?
Some very good ideas are addressed in the video, but I would like to point out that the music poster in the upper left is upside down, you might want to flip that ;)
@ada2step The bible also made the observation that the world was flat, and for hundreds of years the church would ban books and quell scientific findings. Ever heard of Galileo? The resource-based economy does not advocate a one world government. As a matter of fact the need for government in a resource based economy would become obsolete as we would would equip society with the ability to take care of itself, how do borders between people benefit gods creation? They fuel human conflict.
@Meeks861 O no it didn't you are talking about catholics! Genesis is very clear that the earth was round. Also the bible prodicted the exact year that Isreal would become a nation in 1948. The bible also prodicts the uprising in the middle east. there are over300 bible prophecies that have come true
@ada2step If your interested in listening to a christian talk about relative values to that of the RBE, Check out Father Richard Rhor on sustainability. Its a video on YouTube. Open your mind to the reality of the world that you live within. The end of the world is something that christians have been looking for over the course of christian existence on this planet, believe me when I tell you that christians have been thinking that the end times are close for centuries. nothing new there.
"Corruption and bribery are only problems with centralized systems where there is something to corrupt or bribe"
Actually, no. Bribery and corruption can exist in any complex enough trading arrangement coupled with an economic system where the money bearer can buy political favors by using money as "gifts" for people who are less wealthy, but are eager to perform the political favor in exchange for economic power. If I have more money than you, I can pressure or entice you to do my bidding.
I went to one of their meetings and was unimpressed by the representatives
Aloof, frighteningly callous & uninformed
When I asked them about informing the public about all the deaths and corruption and how to preserve their rights he gave 2 shits and said it was "good for recruitment" (not kidding). Surreal. All they cared was this unrealistic agenda that no one is meant to take seriously under a cult of personality that in his words takes 40-70 years to obtain. They wanted to build a daycare
Federico, Mel here in Miami, you need to make more compelling videos like this one, I enjoyed it soooo much I just sent the link to my entire address book.
@federicopistono Hello Federico, who ever did the voice over in ITALIAN for zeitgeist 1 & 2 did a fantastic job, do you have contacts with that crew?, I would love to see them do a voice over for ZMF. Tell Peter to release a super long version with little to no editing of ZMF. & a shorter one as well for the mainstream folks who think its too long.
I believe Italy will be one of the nations that will wake up fast, thanx mainly to you and your crew, keep up the great work.
@federicopistono Food for thought, on the news there was a piece done featuring a school teacher who has not paid his mortgage in 6 yrs, considered to be a squatter. The beauty of the story according to the present manpower & back-log of DELINQUENT mortgages in NY, it would take 61 years to chase out all delinquent home owners. WHAT IF? we do a "super compelling" piece that gets everyone worldwide to follow suit? global REBELLION so we can expedite this crash allowing TZM to gain massive ground.
Very nice video! I do think it is important to show how illogical people can be to defend the status quo. They are just afraid of change because this system gives them the illusion that they also can be one of the top consumers of the planet, and that's what people are concerned about, not about saving the planet, just about consuming the more they can and enjoy from materialistic pleasures (so ephemeral, though). But I feel our new generation will make change possible! Cheers from Portugal!
Sei un oratore amico (: In una decina di minuti hai sollevato tutta la curiosità di cui potessi disporre su questo movimento. Belle le idee espresse (e anche il modo in cui l'hai fatto) e belle anche le ideologie del movimento. Good
It is an absolute shame that the Venus Project & TZM have separated, BUT lets make one thing perfectly clear, this is not about peter Joseph, Roxane, or mr. fresco, this is about us, the planet, its about our resources, its about the ideas & the movement. We can all support both movements independent of each other, & still make it all work, perhaps at a later date it will all come together one more time!! but for the MASSES to divide is immature, & IRRESPONSIBLE. lets move froward Bravo Federico
Spero che la gente capisca quanto sia importante l'unione e il rispetto non solo tra le persone ma anche per il nostro pianeta Terra. Questo movimento è solo un inizio ma si può fare molto per la nostra vita e per il nostro futuro.
The Zeitgiest Movement and the Venus Project sound like such amazing ideas -- almost too good to be true -- and in fact, like in most cases ...THEY ARE! The main goal of the New World Order is the destruction of all religion, replaced by the worship of reason (humanism) and the destruction of all independent governments secretly replaced by a world government ruled by the Illuminati. Please do some research on this before moving forward with this advocation.
Great explanation, well put together. I will definitely show this to friends whom im trying to convince. Awesome to see another person with the same name i have. =P
The property people are afraid of losing is their home and their land. Once they realize the land (earth) was never for sale and money never existed they will get it ;)
You have billions of Muslims who HATE everything but Allah and the guy with the mole. How in GODS name are you gonna get millions of Muslims to give up their way of life. Good Luck
Dont even try or attempt to bring this silly stuff to the US.
The venus project can't work for basic economic reasons. There is no way to determine value without trade or money. No amount of surveys or panels of psychologists can fix that.
@Houshalter You don't get it , do you? you won't need to determine value of the things you need, have you even studied what's all about? if you did, you don't understand...
@RoberMatts of course I understand, arguably better then you do. Resources are finite, demand exceeds supply, so scarcity exists. To determing where scarce resources should be allocated requires determining people's subjective values of those resources. This cannot be done without trade.
@Houshalter "There is no way to determine value without trade or money."
Oh yes there is. Accounting systems that are non-monetary debt based have been around since the 1970's. They're simply not implemented. Resource accounting and energy accounting schemes have been proposed by scientists and engineers for decades. They're simply brushed aside by the ruling power of society that are monetarily well-off because they go against their interests.
@technatezin The value of a good is subjective to the individual that values it. In a complex economy with millions of goods that can be produced and scarcity of the resources needed to produce them, trade-offs have to be made. Ultimately this has to be left up to the consumer because there is no way you can possibly know what their preferences are better than they do.
@Houshalter No, because you are confusing consumer preference with cost of materials in manufacture. Consumer preference has no bearing to the actual physical cost in making any product. Any resource is limited by measureable finite amounts no matter the consumer preference. Further, given the commercialization of society the preference of any consumer has less to do with utility, production, self-improvement and mandatory requirements for human survival than culture, wants and triviality.
@Houshalter Also, even if consumer preference provides feedback into what "should" be produced to satisfy any number of human desires (that can be manipulated) it doesn't provide information on what "can" be produced which are the ultimate costs in terms of physical materials required, physical labor required, time required, technology required, recycling needs, etc... It's as dumb as a sack of bricks when it comes to measuring finite physical, labor, tech., time, energy costs.
@technatezin prices are determined by supply and demand. Even if you magically knew every good that could be produced and the "cost" of them, without knowing demand, it would be impossible to know what to produce and how much. That was my point. Communism, which is what this is, just doesn't work because it ignores basic economics. You can't coordinate an economy without prices, competition, incentives, etc.
@Houshalter Actually, Communism failed because of bureaucracy and top-down management not because of economics. We are not proposing mind-reading consumers to know their wants. I couldn't care less what a consumer wants. Given modern telecommunications and computer technology demand tracking can be accomplished through all kinds of ways that are lot more efficient and effective than how it is done today. Demand tracking does not need to be accomplished through prices. And demand =/= cost.
@technatezin demand is more than just tracking how much people are consuming. There aren't enough resources to produce enough to meet all demands. So you have to know what consumer preferences are, and that can only be done through prices.
@Houshalter "demand is more than just tracking how much people are consuming."
The very definition of demand is consumption tracking or anticipation of future consumption. Example: I demand x widgets today therefore x is the quantity that was demanded. Tomorrow or at some other point in the future I might demand x + y or x - y widgets
"There aren't enough resources to produce enough to meet all demands."
Which means the price system does an even worse job at anticipating Malthusian pressures
@technatezin That doesn't take into account opportunity costs. You can demand x amount of widget A, but only at the cost of the resources it would take to produce more of widget B, or widget C, etc. When you have millions of goods in the economy and millions more people all with their own subjective values of them, it would be impossible to determine what should be produced without prices.
@Houshalter "You can demand x amount of widget A, but only at the cost of the resources it would take to produce more of widget B, or widget C"
That is why it is essential to classify all products or service in an economy for functional utility and other properties. There is no subjective value that cannot be translated into a quantifiable measure of functional utility unless it's usefulness is of questionable utility (cultural artifacts, vanity items, emotional attachment, etc.)
@Houshalter Then there is also the example of priority of importance given any particular item or service. Again, every item or service ever produced in society can be ranked in priority sequence in relation to it's importance to human welfare from critical to non-critical to trivial. How does the the money/price system handle this problem in a systematic and elegant way in our current economy? Answer: it doesn't.
@technatezin no one can know the utility of a good to an individual better than the individual themself. And the idea of "priority sequence" is silly when you consider that people spend their money on the things they need or value most first anyways, then luxuries and so on. Demands are already prioritized.
Even if you did know the "functional utility" of everything beforehand, without prices you still wouldn't know what to produce. Something could have alot of utility but cost far to much.
@Houshalter "no one can know the utility of a good to an individual better than the individual themself."
Actually, no. There are plenty of examples of price inconsistencies when it comes to goods set with a monetary price. There are as mentioned before items of subjective "value" entirely (or mostly) detached from the actual tangible cost of the manufacture. Further, prices are entirely manipulative from the perspective of the money bearer which makes corruption, theft and bribery unavoidable
@technatezin prices will always tend towards supply and demand as long as there is a competitive market setting them. Corruption and bribery are only problems with centralized systems where there is something to corrupt or bribe. And theft will exist as long as there is scarcity. All of these are far more of a problem for your system then for capitalism.
@Houshalter "prices will always tend towards supply and demand as long as there is a competitive market setting them"
A "competitive market" which will never exist from now until the doomsday of the planet. Any monetary system be it a centralized monopoly like a Stalinist dictatorship or a "free" market style corporate-runned fiefdom all tends toward monopoly or oligopoly which will do everything to stifle competition.
@technatezin "all tends toward monopoly or oligopoly" Care to explain this ridiculous assertion? Even in todays highly centralized, statist system, monopolies and cartels are almost unheard of except in industries heavily influenced by the government. You can say this is because of anti-trust laws or whatever, though I would argue the same was true even before they were enacted, but it still means your assertion is wrong.
@Houshalter "...but it still means your assertion is wrong."
How is my assertion wrong? In a state dictatorship the government becomes the head of a monopoly corporation. In a free market economy, bigger companies buy up smaller companies and the smaller ones will not be able to compete in an economy of scale battle unless they satisfy some sort of small specialty niche market. In both cases fiat money is used as both a means of political control and the prime motivator for production.
@technatezin economies of scale does not imply a non-competitive market. You can have only one or two companies in an industry and they can still be perfectly competitive. There are also dis-economies of scale that make larger businesses less practical, like having to move resources over larger geo-graphical areas, or more beuracracy and other problems that plague centralized systems...
...Government intervention creates artificial selection towards larger businesses through various means, like taxing transactions between companies, but not within companies, giving larger companies special tax breaks and advantages, imposing large fixed costs on industries via regulations, etc.
@Houshalter "You can have only one or two companies in an industry and they can still be perfectly competitive."
No, then you have an oligopoly with minimal competition since usually in a oligopolistic situation with two or three large companies each of the company's product line satisfy different specialty needs.
@technatezin and yet they meet consumer demands, keep prices low, etc, and if they really didn't then there is absolutely nothing stopping a new company from coming in and doing a better job.
Doesn't answer the question. How does a free market deal with problems of crime, waste and corruption?
"...absolutely nothing stopping a new company from coming in and doing a better job."
Except the fact that the new company must all of a sudden acquire all the the material goods like factories, warehouses, computers and stores that are the minimal requirement to even qualify to compete with an established conglomerate.
@Houshalter (cont.) Again, this just demonstrate the point I made that: "prices are entirely manipulative from the perspective of the money bearer"
Is true. If it wasn't then haggling over prices (cost of manufacture) would be impossible and along with it bribery, blackmail and corruption would also be impossible or very difficult to accomplish.
@technatezin Corruption doesn't make any sense outside the context of a centralized system. You can't bribe a company to sell you something cheaper. At best you could potentially bribe someone within the company to basically steal from it, but the company has every incentive to take measures to prevent that, and if they don't they are replaced by businesses that do. Even if it really is impossible to prevent that kind of corruption, then it would also be true in your system or any other.
@Houshalter "You can't bribe a company to sell you something cheaper."
Sure you can. What do you think bulk discounts are? Why would it make sense that if you buy in "bulk" quantities from a company the prices of the items that are sold is cheaper? Companies and consumers make these kind of "under the table" deals and kickbacks all the time. It makes smart business sense to give favors to your "friends" or returning customers while punishing your rivals. Corruption is "smart" business policy.
@Houshalter "Even if it really is impossible to prevent that kind of corruption, then it would also be true in your system or any other."
Tell me. Do you know where your money comes from ultimately? Would it bother you if the money given to you came from the proceeds of crime or violence? What if you don't know about it or the money has changed through a hundred hands so it would be impossible to know? Tracking fiat currency is near impossible because money is anonymous.
@technatezin What's wrong with anonymous money? If it was so important money be trackable, the market would select for trackable money, but I don't see any advantage of that.
@Houshalter "...If it was so important money be trackable, the market would select for trackable money"
No, because the market is as dumb as a sack of bricks. It will not select for anything until disaster is staring it in the face and even then it might do something entirely insane like start a war or print more untrackable, anonymous fiat currency to keep the "economy" going.
@Houshalter "...consumer preferences are, and that can only be done through prices. "
If not enough resources can be distributed to meet all basic needs this would produce system breakdown like in the Weimar Republic of Germany before the Nazis rise where wheel barrows of useless money was needed to buy something useful like bread. Eventually since Malthusian pressures was not even taken into account in a crude and stupid "financial" system the resolution would either be war and/or genocide.
@technatezin I don't know what you mean by "Malthusian pressures", but Germany is a terrible example of an economy. They had fiat currency and paid off their debts by printing more and more of it until it became worthless. Then without any means of exchange to trade or calculate prices, the economy fell apart.
@Houshalter Malthusian pressures are the pressures put upon the population to either survive or die given uncontrolled growth of the population and the respective resource usage (and wastage). Given man has long since abandoned the forest and jungles to live a commercialized life in the cities going back to being hunter/gatherers is not a realistic option.
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Spending resources (note: not money) without any anticipation of the future consequences is foolish.
@Houshalter "there is no way you can possibly know what their preferences are better than they do." We can know what their preferences are by asking them. We can't know "better" than them, but we don't need to.
@colinnewman1962 ask them what? What question would you ask a person that would magically tell you everything about their subjective values of every good and service that exists that is superior to just letting them choose what they want for themselves in a market?
@Houshalter We're already as a planet / species taking more than is sustainable. I don't really see how we could take more than is available, by definition. In an RBE there would be access abundance. People wouldn't need to possess most things for their exclusive use. If you mean more than their fare share of food, as we're already doing in the rich first world, then we come to the attitude / cultural change we seek. Why would we want our fellow human beings to starve?
@colinnewman1962 you didn't answer the question. In any functional economy, prices are set by supply and demand. If the demand for something exceeds the supply of it, then the price goes up until consumers have less incentive to buy it so only the people that value it the most get it, or producers have more incentive to produce it and supply goes up. Without that mechanism you will have shortages and surpluses in everything.
@Houshalter We have the technology (and we certain can easily develop the software) the monitor the demand and supply of ANY GOODS AND SERVICES ON THE PLANET. That is not rocket science. How can you think that we can take a man to the moon, calculate the escape velocity of a FLYING ROCKET! put satellites on orbit, splitter the center of an atom BUT NOT BE ABLE TO CALCULATE, USING COMPUTER SOFTWARE, the demand for a certain good?
@rage4everPoncho what would be the point in calculating it when you wouldn't have money or prices in your economy anyways, and if you did prices would easily set themselves to optimal levels by basic economic laws?
@Houshalter If there's anything the "basic economic laws" have failed at is satisfying the basic needs of at least 1 BILLION PEOPLE in the world today. There is a HUGE demand for food around the world and an EVEN BIGGER supply of it. the only thing the "basic laws of economics" have done is "set the optimal" price for food but what does to have to say for actually MEETING the basic needs of all the people on the planet? What good is the price of food if we can't seem to feed everyone?
@rage4everPoncho No one in first world capitalist countries is starving. You are talking about regimes that steal everything of value from their people and run their economies into the ground, which is ironic, since it's what you are advocating.
@rage4everPoncho your system requires obtaining ownership over their entire economy's resources. People aren't just going to voluntarily hand over all their capital to you, and good luck building up centuries worth of capital accumulation from scratch.
After that the destruction of the economy is imminent, because there's no reason to believe the central planners are going to be better at allocating them then their former owners, who actually had to compete to meet consumer demands.
@Houshalter I completely agree with you. Rich capitalists are going to "hand over" their property. This is why we are called "the Zeitgeist Movement". We want to gradually CHANGE the way people think, move the zeitgeist like it should.
@Houshalter The dominant paradigm has to evolve in tandem with the social institutions. We recognize that it's a long process. It is going to be a better allocation of resources because we plan to use the scientific method to produce and distribute goods and services, not the profit incentive which can only go so far.
@rage4everPoncho could you be any more vague? The scientific method only applies to economics in so far as you can study real world economies, not actually run them. Even there it's only so useful because real economies have far to many factors to ever control for, and market actors constantly change thier behaviour.
It doesn't make any sense. It's like saying we are going to colonize the moon with the scientific method. It's a tool to gather knowledge, not a way of actually doing anything.
@Houshalter Unfortunately I can't explain it to you well enough because I haven't studied it enough yet. You should check out peter joseph's and jacque fresco's interviews for a better answer.
@technatezin Yes. And we might ask how much money is the sun worth? We can't trade it and we can't buy another one. We can't determine its value in monetary terms, but we know its value is beyond price. Value and price aren't the same thing.
@notjam3 ...and also, as it's been said...we're not talking of a goddamn BIBLE (which is a nice story i admit it, but it's a S-T-O-R-Y, nothing more) THIS is just a goddamn point of view, based on logical conclusions, with a not-so-much-needed rhetorics, everybody is left there thinking, and well, how bad it can be? to be able to SPEAK only when you KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT SOMETHING...so mr, you're the one doing false propaganda, hence you're a bit of a troll too! kisses!
@notjam3 blablabla...satan and jesus christ are just like SANTA CLAUS, satanic and all that masonic bullshit is just blabbering pure nonsense...bear with me...everything that's said in the zeitgeist movies (i'm not considering the first, PJ's errors have been talked way too much, and you know why? cause he bothered to talk about RELIGION) starting from Addendum sounds perfectly reasonable, and is backed by many many documents...PLUS, in a future where money isn't needed, how would they control?
As for Italian, your English language is perfect! =) you have summarized pretty much everything essential here for doubters. I'm favoriting this, and I guess any doubter must see this... And the last minute before last 30 seconds was most amazing. Tutto perfetto qua. Buona vita! =)
It's disturbing how asleep some people are...I mean this was an excellent vid and yet people have to display negative vibes into it...ARE WE THAT SICK???
Zeitgeist can only show you the window ; it cannot push you through - you need to do this yourself. This notion that ZM is an occult can only be answered in one way: What would you call a group of people who control most important aspects of your life? Aren't they in a deadly occult waging innocent lives via profit motive? Does this not represent what is happening today in that case -isn't today's corporate media centered society an occult?!
@willywillyization Zeitgeist represents change in the presence of suffering. If anyone wants to call THAT an occult? Let it be. You, in fact, can call us "Chicken Heads on Rooftops Standing with one Foot" for all I care..
I just find that "human nature" thing.. pathetic. If human nature is to be violent.. the world would have never seen Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, George Carlin, Nicola Tesla, etc.. etc.. we would all be Hitlers and Stalins.. its fuckin idiotic...
Great Video by the way
Cheers from Javier Bustos.. from this piece of land called "Chile"
@SuffocateJav90 We live in a society where humanity and its needs in general aren't even a part of the equation core value. There are no good/bad people. It's all conditioned. Because we live in a value system disorder, it creates a lot of sickness in people who need help not just jails. There is always a reason why people behave the way they do. The larger the inequality in class stratification of people the more crime, injustice, poverty, disease...etc.
@willywillyization Thats what I said.. I saw Zeitgeist and I was aware of this a long time ago.. the thing I was saying is that people who use the "human nature" argument are stupid, that they dont see the consequences of what they say.. thats all
frederico, that was AWESOME! very animated, very well articulated... and you had me laughing my ass off at points! great job and keep 'em comin! namaste.
Sustaining society for ALL people is what the Zeitgeist Movement all about. I join because ...ummmm...I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND A REASON NOT TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tHANKS GOD FOR ZM....I'M ON BOARD..........CHOO.........CHOOOOOO.........
Sustaining society for ALL people is what the Zeitgeist Movement all about. I join because ...ummmm...I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND A REASON NOT TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Technological unemployment is going to clash with the monetary system.This is the one attribute that has me worried because those who control the monetary system (Central Banks,IMF) will not allow their control matrix to be disrupted.
you look more attractive without the glasses
LatestUFOSightings 1 week ago
KEEP ON, MY DEAR LITTLE BIG BROTHER, I WILL "SUSTAIN" YOU TO BRING UP THE "EMERGENCY" (INSTEAD OF THE "IMPOSING") OF A FREE-MINDED PHILOSOPHICO-SCIENTIFIC PARADIGM OF EXISTING AS INDIVIDUAL AND SINGULAR BEINGS. IN SHORT... WAW!
PS: I didn't use translation softwares to express my french-spoken mind.
johnnykarlitch7 2 weeks ago
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT SHIRT .... ITS AWESOME!
verglaze 3 months ago
“Science figures out the best way to live” <<< I love the way you say that [as if envisioning it as some utopia]- really I do... so er.. we're 7 billion as a race.. theres a shortage of food - what's the SCIENTIFIC answer to sustain our race?... well that would be of course forced birth control and depopulation :D... see why I told you to leave it to the big boys? Theres a reason why you're on youtube with a measly 7,000 views - it's because you understand fuck all about how this world works
GoVir4l 3 months ago 2
@GoVir4l Never heard about sustainable growth? Hydroponic? Aquaonic? Vertical Growth and so on? No?!
By the way I'm pretty sure that the actual system can overcame this problem right? Right?!
You don't get science. The first man figured out that comunity work better through science, than thought about cultivate...after a lot of time they created the society 'cos it's what they needed..and they got it with science. Maybe VP/ZM will put us in bad water...still better than drowning don't you think?
Ssmot 2 months ago
@Ssmot - Yes - I think anyone with atleast one ear has heard about "sustainability" - these words you parrot do not necessarily mean what you think they mean - you could class Chinas mass birth control as "sustainable living" - you could class forced abortions/ "eco taxes" as "sustainability" - - you could even class depopulation & control of the worlds food supply as "sustainability" - see the picture? You're being lied to.
GoVir4l 2 months ago
@GoVir4l oh great! Another NWO and Alex Jones drone.
IAM18YEARSOLDANDOVER 1 month ago 2
Wow these zeitgeist morons really do make me laugh - as if the whole of society was missing something... and all along it was zeitgeist lol - tell me something my little flower - do you think zeitgeist could ever stand up in the face of the American constitution or magna carta? Seriously - go play xbox you little fluff - and leave the thinking to the big boys. P.S. Zeitgeist and the information contained is mostly misleading and incorrect - it is a new age cult.
GoVir4l 3 months ago 3
@GoVir4l thumbs up for you
brunoguedes88 1 month ago
more proof people will follow anything.
rickster348 4 months ago
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TZM/Venus Project is an absolutely Wonderful concept; but the WORLD can only change when WE “Wake-Up!” and understand “WHO” is Systematically and Stealthily Destroying it! TZM doesn't tell us “WHO OWNS” these Corporations and the Monetary systems; “WHY?” but: wake-upbeforeitstoolate(dot)com does! WE can use TZM network to Wake-The-Masses-Up and publicly EXPOSE and address the REAL problems that are facing 'OUR World today and Take-Back the CONTROL for... “EVERYONE'S... Future FREEDOM!!”
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PETER JOSEPH SHOULD RUN FOR PREZ. THIS WOULD BRING AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF ATTENTION TO THIS MOVEMENT, WE NEED TO DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO BRING TZM TO THE MAINSTREAM IN A HUGE WAY, & THIS IS JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT! DON'T CRITICIZE ME FOR THINKING!!
zerogascar 4 months ago
Bravo! Seriously funny.....and humorously serious! Yasou from Greece (from a new yorker!) Perfect english btw!
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I do agree with your video. The world is in pathetic shape. Our economy is a sick joke. Our politicians are not worth much to say the least. My best advice is to continue your own research! Don't take anyone's word as gold. Also, if you wish for social change, be sure you know what you're getting yourself into. You may share goals with a group, but that doesn't mean a shared outcome. You could follow a leader and end up in the same situation as before with the leader who benefits.
VerseInfinitum 5 months ago
I was jobless for 2 years... I could have been working if we didn't live in a monetary system.
TheReasonWhyGuy 5 months ago
Bravo! Well thought out, articulate and positive!
Cheers! to symbiosis and sustainable living!
shtboxexpose 5 months ago
This is great Frederico more videos please, you speak for the movement so well, more, more please!
thezenofgavin 6 months ago
Frederico, these videos are fantastic (3 as I write today). Watching from England, I'm very impressed. The message of TZM has been expressed so very well by you with intelligence and passion. Much respect Sir. Please make more! Keep smiling, Wilf.
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hehe nice ... my favorite kind of people are the smart ones ;)
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Great and passionate video! You're right, it is fun making the world a better place! Keep up the good work!
TheRealMrWalker 6 months ago
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mjh012363 6 months ago
Very impressive! I would only disagree with the statement that we don't want a perfect society. Yes, we look for constant evolution towards a better and better society, and we doubt this process will ever stop, but we do want a perfect society, surely?
colinnewman1962 6 months ago
Awesome
evilg2010 6 months ago
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Someideasandstuff 6 months ago
Some very good ideas are addressed in the video, but I would like to point out that the music poster in the upper left is upside down, you might want to flip that ;)
najtreg88 6 months ago
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manoman1515 6 months ago
Federico, you are an inspiration, my brother!
Fryilluh 6 months ago
This was fucking awesome ;)
crazynic5 6 months ago
Cool, man! Keep it up ;-)
HownyProfessah 6 months ago
That was a piece of work my friend.
SCPF 6 months ago
Over 9000!!!!! }:^D
MyOnlyFarph 6 months ago
this should be the official video of TZM :D it's so awesome :D
brightgeistmovies 6 months ago
Scarry one world government! This is a prophecy in the bible! The end is comming faster then I thought
ada2step 7 months ago
@ada2step The bible also made the observation that the world was flat, and for hundreds of years the church would ban books and quell scientific findings. Ever heard of Galileo? The resource-based economy does not advocate a one world government. As a matter of fact the need for government in a resource based economy would become obsolete as we would would equip society with the ability to take care of itself, how do borders between people benefit gods creation? They fuel human conflict.
Meeks861 7 months ago
@Meeks861 O no it didn't you are talking about catholics! Genesis is very clear that the earth was round. Also the bible prodicted the exact year that Isreal would become a nation in 1948. The bible also prodicts the uprising in the middle east. there are over300 bible prophecies that have come true
ada2step 7 months ago
@Meeks861 Where does the Bible say the earth is flat? Certianly not in Psalm 93
"He hath made the round world so sure that it cannot be moved at any time"
colinnewman1962 6 months ago
@ada2step If your interested in listening to a christian talk about relative values to that of the RBE, Check out Father Richard Rhor on sustainability. Its a video on YouTube. Open your mind to the reality of the world that you live within. The end of the world is something that christians have been looking for over the course of christian existence on this planet, believe me when I tell you that christians have been thinking that the end times are close for centuries. nothing new there.
Meeks861 7 months ago
"Corruption and bribery are only problems with centralized systems where there is something to corrupt or bribe"
Actually, no. Bribery and corruption can exist in any complex enough trading arrangement coupled with an economic system where the money bearer can buy political favors by using money as "gifts" for people who are less wealthy, but are eager to perform the political favor in exchange for economic power. If I have more money than you, I can pressure or entice you to do my bidding.
technatezin 7 months ago
Wonderful video Frederico! Should probably be everyone's introduction to the movement :-)
Rennonz 7 months ago
Maybe get ride of one eye symbolism in your video?
gunsmonkey22 7 months ago
WOW you are from ITALY O_O
I love pizza :P
GREAT START!
Play671 7 months ago
very good :)
TZMRussia 7 months ago
I went to one of their meetings and was unimpressed by the representatives
Aloof, frighteningly callous & uninformed
When I asked them about informing the public about all the deaths and corruption and how to preserve their rights he gave 2 shits and said it was "good for recruitment" (not kidding). Surreal. All they cared was this unrealistic agenda that no one is meant to take seriously under a cult of personality that in his words takes 40-70 years to obtain. They wanted to build a daycare
supercat821 7 months ago
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supercat821 7 months ago
I didn't want this video to end lol. great presentation man.
cashD 7 months ago
Federico, Mel here in Miami, you need to make more compelling videos like this one, I enjoyed it soooo much I just sent the link to my entire address book.
zerogascar 7 months ago
@zerogascar Hehe, funny that you mention, I'm editing a new video as we speak, should be up online soon :D
federicopistono 7 months ago
@federicopistono Hello Federico, who ever did the voice over in ITALIAN for zeitgeist 1 & 2 did a fantastic job, do you have contacts with that crew?, I would love to see them do a voice over for ZMF. Tell Peter to release a super long version with little to no editing of ZMF. & a shorter one as well for the mainstream folks who think its too long.
I believe Italy will be one of the nations that will wake up fast, thanx mainly to you and your crew, keep up the great work.
zerogascar 7 months ago
@federicopistono Food for thought, on the news there was a piece done featuring a school teacher who has not paid his mortgage in 6 yrs, considered to be a squatter. The beauty of the story according to the present manpower & back-log of DELINQUENT mortgages in NY, it would take 61 years to chase out all delinquent home owners. WHAT IF? we do a "super compelling" piece that gets everyone worldwide to follow suit? global REBELLION so we can expedite this crash allowing TZM to gain massive ground.
zerogascar 7 months ago
Very nice video! I do think it is important to show how illogical people can be to defend the status quo. They are just afraid of change because this system gives them the illusion that they also can be one of the top consumers of the planet, and that's what people are concerned about, not about saving the planet, just about consuming the more they can and enjoy from materialistic pleasures (so ephemeral, though). But I feel our new generation will make change possible! Cheers from Portugal!
Psidi1 8 months ago
awesome men !!!!
krilin39 8 months ago
oh :D son Daniel Iversen.
Sappi che questo video è quello che uso come intro prima della visione di Moving Forward!! :)
iveemci 9 months ago
We bello ma perchè non lo fai in italiano ? che così cominciamo dal nostro paese ?
lorysparkly2011 9 months ago
Sei un oratore amico (: In una decina di minuti hai sollevato tutta la curiosità di cui potessi disporre su questo movimento. Belle le idee espresse (e anche il modo in cui l'hai fatto) e belle anche le ideologie del movimento. Good
DreamerMCtNs 9 months ago
It is an absolute shame that the Venus Project & TZM have separated, BUT lets make one thing perfectly clear, this is not about peter Joseph, Roxane, or mr. fresco, this is about us, the planet, its about our resources, its about the ideas & the movement. We can all support both movements independent of each other, & still make it all work, perhaps at a later date it will all come together one more time!! but for the MASSES to divide is immature, & IRRESPONSIBLE. lets move froward Bravo Federico
zerogascar 10 months ago
Sei molto bravo, devresti fare uno parlato in Italiano. Ciao` chi vediamo
zerogascar 10 months ago
GREAT JOB :) kudos Fred !
NAIVADA 10 months ago
Federico you are contagious, in a very good way!
kdizzy07 11 months ago
Mi piacciono le immagini della tua stanza, da che riviste vengono...lo so non centra col video, ma mi piace lo stile ;)
Scott78Pilgrim 11 months ago
@Scott78Pilgrim deviantart ;)
federicopistono 6 months ago
You're pointing out some Very important aspects of the Movement (at least our opinion has so much in common) and doing it enjoyable. Respect, bro!
olfazarc 11 months ago
great stuff, bro!!! Love it!!! Love from Germany :)
laurakaumbartner 11 months ago 2
Awesome video <3
annettemarie24 11 months ago
Complimenti un bel lavoro!
Spero che la gente capisca quanto sia importante l'unione e il rispetto non solo tra le persone ma anche per il nostro pianeta Terra. Questo movimento è solo un inizio ma si può fare molto per la nostra vita e per il nostro futuro.
DeadlyPandemic 11 months ago
Namaste!
Profemiliomorles 1 year ago
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The Zeitgiest Movement and the Venus Project sound like such amazing ideas -- almost too good to be true -- and in fact, like in most cases ...THEY ARE! The main goal of the New World Order is the destruction of all religion, replaced by the worship of reason (humanism) and the destruction of all independent governments secretly replaced by a world government ruled by the Illuminati. Please do some research on this before moving forward with this advocation.
Interracialnow 1 year ago
Well done mate!
outofmind6 1 year ago
ci hai descritti molto male...
hellenCrystal 1 year ago
Great explanation, well put together. I will definitely show this to friends whom im trying to convince. Awesome to see another person with the same name i have. =P
Arrivedercci!
fedxpro 1 year ago
Cool video. The juxtaposition of opinions were eloquently displayed. I recently did a "why i advocate tzm" video, check it out. /watch?v=PYyicqwR7LU
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marocchiniFONDENTI 1 year ago
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forse i tuoi connazionali non bilingue, apprezzerebbero dei sottotitoli...non credi?
marocchiniFONDENTI 1 year ago
@marocchiniFONDENTI aggiunti i sub ita, buona lettura! :)
federicopistono 11 months ago
Nice background. Great video. Good job. Thank you.
VenusAsABoyFilms 1 year ago
lol.... very well said my friend... thank you for your support... keep it up... :)
bagiee1 1 year ago
The property people are afraid of losing is their home and their land. Once they realize the land (earth) was never for sale and money never existed they will get it ;)
tammara38 1 year ago
Oh your from Italy so you ae living pretty close to your dream society already arent yu
PatriotWatchUSA 1 year ago
You have billions of Muslims who HATE everything but Allah and the guy with the mole. How in GODS name are you gonna get millions of Muslims to give up their way of life. Good Luck
Dont even try or attempt to bring this silly stuff to the US.
PatriotWatchUSA 1 year ago
The venus project can't work for basic economic reasons. There is no way to determine value without trade or money. No amount of surveys or panels of psychologists can fix that.
Houshalter 1 year ago 5
@Houshalter You don't get it , do you? you won't need to determine value of the things you need, have you even studied what's all about? if you did, you don't understand...
RoberMatts 1 year ago
@RoberMatts of course I understand, arguably better then you do. Resources are finite, demand exceeds supply, so scarcity exists. To determing where scarce resources should be allocated requires determining people's subjective values of those resources. This cannot be done without trade.
Houshalter 1 year ago
@Houshalter "There is no way to determine value without trade or money."
Oh yes there is. Accounting systems that are non-monetary debt based have been around since the 1970's. They're simply not implemented. Resource accounting and energy accounting schemes have been proposed by scientists and engineers for decades. They're simply brushed aside by the ruling power of society that are monetarily well-off because they go against their interests.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin The value of a good is subjective to the individual that values it. In a complex economy with millions of goods that can be produced and scarcity of the resources needed to produce them, trade-offs have to be made. Ultimately this has to be left up to the consumer because there is no way you can possibly know what their preferences are better than they do.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter No, because you are confusing consumer preference with cost of materials in manufacture. Consumer preference has no bearing to the actual physical cost in making any product. Any resource is limited by measureable finite amounts no matter the consumer preference. Further, given the commercialization of society the preference of any consumer has less to do with utility, production, self-improvement and mandatory requirements for human survival than culture, wants and triviality.
technatezin 7 months ago
@Houshalter Also, even if consumer preference provides feedback into what "should" be produced to satisfy any number of human desires (that can be manipulated) it doesn't provide information on what "can" be produced which are the ultimate costs in terms of physical materials required, physical labor required, time required, technology required, recycling needs, etc... It's as dumb as a sack of bricks when it comes to measuring finite physical, labor, tech., time, energy costs.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin prices are determined by supply and demand. Even if you magically knew every good that could be produced and the "cost" of them, without knowing demand, it would be impossible to know what to produce and how much. That was my point. Communism, which is what this is, just doesn't work because it ignores basic economics. You can't coordinate an economy without prices, competition, incentives, etc.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter Actually, Communism failed because of bureaucracy and top-down management not because of economics. We are not proposing mind-reading consumers to know their wants. I couldn't care less what a consumer wants. Given modern telecommunications and computer technology demand tracking can be accomplished through all kinds of ways that are lot more efficient and effective than how it is done today. Demand tracking does not need to be accomplished through prices. And demand =/= cost.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin demand is more than just tracking how much people are consuming. There aren't enough resources to produce enough to meet all demands. So you have to know what consumer preferences are, and that can only be done through prices.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter "demand is more than just tracking how much people are consuming."
The very definition of demand is consumption tracking or anticipation of future consumption. Example: I demand x widgets today therefore x is the quantity that was demanded. Tomorrow or at some other point in the future I might demand x + y or x - y widgets
"There aren't enough resources to produce enough to meet all demands."
Which means the price system does an even worse job at anticipating Malthusian pressures
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin That doesn't take into account opportunity costs. You can demand x amount of widget A, but only at the cost of the resources it would take to produce more of widget B, or widget C, etc. When you have millions of goods in the economy and millions more people all with their own subjective values of them, it would be impossible to determine what should be produced without prices.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter "You can demand x amount of widget A, but only at the cost of the resources it would take to produce more of widget B, or widget C"
That is why it is essential to classify all products or service in an economy for functional utility and other properties. There is no subjective value that cannot be translated into a quantifiable measure of functional utility unless it's usefulness is of questionable utility (cultural artifacts, vanity items, emotional attachment, etc.)
technatezin 7 months ago
@Houshalter Then there is also the example of priority of importance given any particular item or service. Again, every item or service ever produced in society can be ranked in priority sequence in relation to it's importance to human welfare from critical to non-critical to trivial. How does the the money/price system handle this problem in a systematic and elegant way in our current economy? Answer: it doesn't.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin no one can know the utility of a good to an individual better than the individual themself. And the idea of "priority sequence" is silly when you consider that people spend their money on the things they need or value most first anyways, then luxuries and so on. Demands are already prioritized.
Even if you did know the "functional utility" of everything beforehand, without prices you still wouldn't know what to produce. Something could have alot of utility but cost far to much.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter "no one can know the utility of a good to an individual better than the individual themself."
Actually, no. There are plenty of examples of price inconsistencies when it comes to goods set with a monetary price. There are as mentioned before items of subjective "value" entirely (or mostly) detached from the actual tangible cost of the manufacture. Further, prices are entirely manipulative from the perspective of the money bearer which makes corruption, theft and bribery unavoidable
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin prices will always tend towards supply and demand as long as there is a competitive market setting them. Corruption and bribery are only problems with centralized systems where there is something to corrupt or bribe. And theft will exist as long as there is scarcity. All of these are far more of a problem for your system then for capitalism.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter "prices will always tend towards supply and demand as long as there is a competitive market setting them"
A "competitive market" which will never exist from now until the doomsday of the planet. Any monetary system be it a centralized monopoly like a Stalinist dictatorship or a "free" market style corporate-runned fiefdom all tends toward monopoly or oligopoly which will do everything to stifle competition.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin "all tends toward monopoly or oligopoly" Care to explain this ridiculous assertion? Even in todays highly centralized, statist system, monopolies and cartels are almost unheard of except in industries heavily influenced by the government. You can say this is because of anti-trust laws or whatever, though I would argue the same was true even before they were enacted, but it still means your assertion is wrong.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter "...but it still means your assertion is wrong."
How is my assertion wrong? In a state dictatorship the government becomes the head of a monopoly corporation. In a free market economy, bigger companies buy up smaller companies and the smaller ones will not be able to compete in an economy of scale battle unless they satisfy some sort of small specialty niche market. In both cases fiat money is used as both a means of political control and the prime motivator for production.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin economies of scale does not imply a non-competitive market. You can have only one or two companies in an industry and they can still be perfectly competitive. There are also dis-economies of scale that make larger businesses less practical, like having to move resources over larger geo-graphical areas, or more beuracracy and other problems that plague centralized systems...
Houshalter 7 months ago
...Government intervention creates artificial selection towards larger businesses through various means, like taxing transactions between companies, but not within companies, giving larger companies special tax breaks and advantages, imposing large fixed costs on industries via regulations, etc.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter "You can have only one or two companies in an industry and they can still be perfectly competitive."
No, then you have an oligopoly with minimal competition since usually in a oligopolistic situation with two or three large companies each of the company's product line satisfy different specialty needs.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin and yet they meet consumer demands, keep prices low, etc, and if they really didn't then there is absolutely nothing stopping a new company from coming in and doing a better job.
Houshalter 7 months ago
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@Houshalter "and yet they meet consumer demands, keep prices low, etc,"
Doesn't answer the question. How does a free market deal with problems of crime, waste and corruption?
"...absolutely nothing stopping a new company from coming in and doing a better job."
Except the fact that the new company must all of a sudden acquire all the the material goods like factories, warehouses, computers and stores that are the minimal requirement to even qualify to compete with an established conglomerate.
technatezin 7 months ago
@Houshalter (cont.) Again, this just demonstrate the point I made that: "prices are entirely manipulative from the perspective of the money bearer"
Is true. If it wasn't then haggling over prices (cost of manufacture) would be impossible and along with it bribery, blackmail and corruption would also be impossible or very difficult to accomplish.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin Corruption doesn't make any sense outside the context of a centralized system. You can't bribe a company to sell you something cheaper. At best you could potentially bribe someone within the company to basically steal from it, but the company has every incentive to take measures to prevent that, and if they don't they are replaced by businesses that do. Even if it really is impossible to prevent that kind of corruption, then it would also be true in your system or any other.
Houshalter 7 months ago
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@Houshalter "You can't bribe a company to sell you something cheaper."
Sure you can. What do you think bulk discounts are? Why would it make sense that if you buy in "bulk" quantities from a company the prices of the items that are sold is cheaper? Companies and consumers make these kind of "under the table" deals and kickbacks all the time. It makes smart business sense to give favors to your "friends" or returning customers while punishing your rivals. Corruption is "smart" business policy.
technatezin 7 months ago
@Houshalter "Even if it really is impossible to prevent that kind of corruption, then it would also be true in your system or any other."
Tell me. Do you know where your money comes from ultimately? Would it bother you if the money given to you came from the proceeds of crime or violence? What if you don't know about it or the money has changed through a hundred hands so it would be impossible to know? Tracking fiat currency is near impossible because money is anonymous.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin What's wrong with anonymous money? If it was so important money be trackable, the market would select for trackable money, but I don't see any advantage of that.
Houshalter 7 months ago
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@Houshalter "...If it was so important money be trackable, the market would select for trackable money"
No, because the market is as dumb as a sack of bricks. It will not select for anything until disaster is staring it in the face and even then it might do something entirely insane like start a war or print more untrackable, anonymous fiat currency to keep the "economy" going.
technatezin 7 months ago
@Houshalter "...consumer preferences are, and that can only be done through prices. "
If not enough resources can be distributed to meet all basic needs this would produce system breakdown like in the Weimar Republic of Germany before the Nazis rise where wheel barrows of useless money was needed to buy something useful like bread. Eventually since Malthusian pressures was not even taken into account in a crude and stupid "financial" system the resolution would either be war and/or genocide.
technatezin 7 months ago
@technatezin I don't know what you mean by "Malthusian pressures", but Germany is a terrible example of an economy. They had fiat currency and paid off their debts by printing more and more of it until it became worthless. Then without any means of exchange to trade or calculate prices, the economy fell apart.
Houshalter 7 months ago
@Houshalter Malthusian pressures are the pressures put upon the population to either survive or die given uncontrolled growth of the population and the respective resource usage (and wastage). Given man has long since abandoned the forest and jungles to live a commercialized life in the cities going back to being hunter/gatherers is not a realistic option.
youtube[dot]com / watch?v=F-QA2rkpBSY
Spending resources (note: not money) without any anticipation of the future consequences is foolish.
technatezin 7 months ago
@Houshalter "there is no way you can possibly know what their preferences are better than they do." We can know what their preferences are by asking them. We can't know "better" than them, but we don't need to.
colinnewman1962 6 months ago
@colinnewman1962 ask them what? What question would you ask a person that would magically tell you everything about their subjective values of every good and service that exists that is superior to just letting them choose what they want for themselves in a market?
Houshalter 6 months ago
@Houshalter - people would order what they need or want similarly to how they do now on the web. Just no payment details to enter.
colinnewman1962 6 months ago
@colinnewman1962 and what's to stop people from taking more than is available?
Houshalter 6 months ago
@Houshalter We're already as a planet / species taking more than is sustainable. I don't really see how we could take more than is available, by definition. In an RBE there would be access abundance. People wouldn't need to possess most things for their exclusive use. If you mean more than their fare share of food, as we're already doing in the rich first world, then we come to the attitude / cultural change we seek. Why would we want our fellow human beings to starve?
colinnewman1962 6 months ago
@colinnewman1962 you didn't answer the question. In any functional economy, prices are set by supply and demand. If the demand for something exceeds the supply of it, then the price goes up until consumers have less incentive to buy it so only the people that value it the most get it, or producers have more incentive to produce it and supply goes up. Without that mechanism you will have shortages and surpluses in everything.
Houshalter 6 months ago
@Houshalter We have the technology (and we certain can easily develop the software) the monitor the demand and supply of ANY GOODS AND SERVICES ON THE PLANET. That is not rocket science. How can you think that we can take a man to the moon, calculate the escape velocity of a FLYING ROCKET! put satellites on orbit, splitter the center of an atom BUT NOT BE ABLE TO CALCULATE, USING COMPUTER SOFTWARE, the demand for a certain good?
rage4everPoncho 6 months ago
@rage4everPoncho what would be the point in calculating it when you wouldn't have money or prices in your economy anyways, and if you did prices would easily set themselves to optimal levels by basic economic laws?
Houshalter 5 months ago
@Houshalter If there's anything the "basic economic laws" have failed at is satisfying the basic needs of at least 1 BILLION PEOPLE in the world today. There is a HUGE demand for food around the world and an EVEN BIGGER supply of it. the only thing the "basic laws of economics" have done is "set the optimal" price for food but what does to have to say for actually MEETING the basic needs of all the people on the planet? What good is the price of food if we can't seem to feed everyone?
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@rage4everPoncho No one in first world capitalist countries is starving. You are talking about regimes that steal everything of value from their people and run their economies into the ground, which is ironic, since it's what you are advocating.
Houshalter 5 months ago
@Houshalter How am i advocating a regime that will steal EVERYTHING of value from the people and ruin the economy?
rage4everPoncho 5 months ago
@rage4everPoncho your system requires obtaining ownership over their entire economy's resources. People aren't just going to voluntarily hand over all their capital to you, and good luck building up centuries worth of capital accumulation from scratch.
After that the destruction of the economy is imminent, because there's no reason to believe the central planners are going to be better at allocating them then their former owners, who actually had to compete to meet consumer demands.
Houshalter 5 months ago
@Houshalter I completely agree with you. Rich capitalists are going to "hand over" their property. This is why we are called "the Zeitgeist Movement". We want to gradually CHANGE the way people think, move the zeitgeist like it should.
rage4everPoncho 5 months ago
@Houshalter The dominant paradigm has to evolve in tandem with the social institutions. We recognize that it's a long process. It is going to be a better allocation of resources because we plan to use the scientific method to produce and distribute goods and services, not the profit incentive which can only go so far.
rage4everPoncho 5 months ago
@rage4everPoncho could you be any more vague? The scientific method only applies to economics in so far as you can study real world economies, not actually run them. Even there it's only so useful because real economies have far to many factors to ever control for, and market actors constantly change thier behaviour.
It doesn't make any sense. It's like saying we are going to colonize the moon with the scientific method. It's a tool to gather knowledge, not a way of actually doing anything.
Houshalter 5 months ago
@Houshalter Unfortunately I can't explain it to you well enough because I haven't studied it enough yet. You should check out peter joseph's and jacque fresco's interviews for a better answer.
TZMTijuana 5 months ago
@Houshalter Also, moving forward explains the resource based economy a lot better.
TZMTijuana 5 months ago
@technatezin Yes. And we might ask how much money is the sun worth? We can't trade it and we can't buy another one. We can't determine its value in monetary terms, but we know its value is beyond price. Value and price aren't the same thing.
colinnewman1962 6 months ago
@notjam3 ...and also, as it's been said...we're not talking of a goddamn BIBLE (which is a nice story i admit it, but it's a S-T-O-R-Y, nothing more) THIS is just a goddamn point of view, based on logical conclusions, with a not-so-much-needed rhetorics, everybody is left there thinking, and well, how bad it can be? to be able to SPEAK only when you KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT SOMETHING...so mr, you're the one doing false propaganda, hence you're a bit of a troll too! kisses!
estebanz 1 year ago
@notjam3 blablabla...satan and jesus christ are just like SANTA CLAUS, satanic and all that masonic bullshit is just blabbering pure nonsense...bear with me...everything that's said in the zeitgeist movies (i'm not considering the first, PJ's errors have been talked way too much, and you know why? cause he bothered to talk about RELIGION) starting from Addendum sounds perfectly reasonable, and is backed by many many documents...PLUS, in a future where money isn't needed, how would they control?
estebanz 1 year ago 2
Nice work, the video is fantastic.
Stefan,Verona
stefydude92 1 year ago 2
you need to make more video's man, your very charismatic.
HayteStreet 1 year ago 2
As for Italian, your English language is perfect! =) you have summarized pretty much everything essential here for doubters. I'm favoriting this, and I guess any doubter must see this... And the last minute before last 30 seconds was most amazing. Tutto perfetto qua. Buona vita! =)
infohata 1 year ago 2
Great job man! I like your t-shirt btw ;)
RageGently 1 year ago 6
@RageGently Yes! I'm glad somebody noticed it :D
There is another reference to Internet culture, let's see who's the first to spot it...
federicopistono 1 year ago
@federicopistono xkcd
l33tmaster104 11 months ago
@l33tmaster104 Alright! One more to go!
federicopistono 11 months ago
@federicopistono Wait, there's another? ...I'm stumped.
l33tmaster104 11 months ago
It's disturbing how asleep some people are...I mean this was an excellent vid and yet people have to display negative vibes into it...ARE WE THAT SICK???
willywillyization 1 year ago
Zeitgeist can only show you the window ; it cannot push you through - you need to do this yourself. This notion that ZM is an occult can only be answered in one way: What would you call a group of people who control most important aspects of your life? Aren't they in a deadly occult waging innocent lives via profit motive? Does this not represent what is happening today in that case -isn't today's corporate media centered society an occult?!
willywillyization 1 year ago
@willywillyization Zeitgeist represents change in the presence of suffering. If anyone wants to call THAT an occult? Let it be. You, in fact, can call us "Chicken Heads on Rooftops Standing with one Foot" for all I care..
willywillyization 1 year ago
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willywillyization 1 year ago
EXCELLENT VID!!!!!!
willywillyization 1 year ago
I just find that "human nature" thing.. pathetic. If human nature is to be violent.. the world would have never seen Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, George Carlin, Nicola Tesla, etc.. etc.. we would all be Hitlers and Stalins.. its fuckin idiotic...
Great Video by the way
Cheers from Javier Bustos.. from this piece of land called "Chile"
SuffocateJav90 1 year ago
@SuffocateJav90 We live in a society where humanity and its needs in general aren't even a part of the equation core value. There are no good/bad people. It's all conditioned. Because we live in a value system disorder, it creates a lot of sickness in people who need help not just jails. There is always a reason why people behave the way they do. The larger the inequality in class stratification of people the more crime, injustice, poverty, disease...etc.
willywillyization 1 year ago
@willywillyization Thats what I said.. I saw Zeitgeist and I was aware of this a long time ago.. the thing I was saying is that people who use the "human nature" argument are stupid, that they dont see the consequences of what they say.. thats all
Cheers mate!
SuffocateJav90 1 year ago
frederico, that was AWESOME! very animated, very well articulated... and you had me laughing my ass off at points! great job and keep 'em comin! namaste.
k3w3l 1 year ago
great work!
strawprophet 1 year ago
Sustaining society for ALL people is what the Zeitgeist Movement all about. I join because ...ummmm...I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND A REASON NOT TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tHANKS GOD FOR ZM....I'M ON BOARD..........CHOO.........CHOOOOOO.........
willywillyization 1 year ago
Sustaining society for ALL people is what the Zeitgeist Movement all about. I join because ...ummmm...I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND A REASON NOT TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
willywillyization 1 year ago
<3
timrutten 1 year ago
Awesome video! Love Love Love this!!! Thanks for uploading!
Lasoigne76 1 year ago
I think you should address your sexuality first .
hanksnow82 1 year ago
@hanksnow82 Hey Hankey SnOOOOWWW, you check your own sexually. Leave my brother Federico alone - you RETARD.
willywillyization 1 year ago
@willywillyization I bet you discover your brother is gay in the next few years
hanksnow82 1 year ago
Super duper nice :). Love it. Great job federico :).
TTomni 1 year ago
Technological unemployment is going to clash with the monetary system.This is the one attribute that has me worried because those who control the monetary system (Central Banks,IMF) will not allow their control matrix to be disrupted.
frankcoffee 1 year ago
@frankcoffee When the evil empire completely falls down and there will be no more slaves they will be disempowered.
willywillyization 1 year ago
Nice work!
ZeitgeistMovie 1 year ago
BRAVO little brother - a smile on my face 4 the whole ride!!!
VP Hugs - Mamma D ^_^
lspmd2 1 year ago
Great stuff dude :)
Chojubo 1 year ago 2
awesome, well put together!