gary, I'm drunk...don't let your e-cigarette blow up in your face....stop that, ok? wouldn't want your beautiful face to be a fence post! love, karen..... :)
Mmm. Cakes? I was just defending you a couple hours ago against some commenter who accused you of being surrounded by sycophants. I told him you only gave away the occasional camera for video contests, but now that I'm thinking about cakes, it kind of invalidates my defense.
This is all in good fun... I have nothing better to do when I'm sleep deprived and drudging through a Chem lab... oh. Let me get on that.
I've been touting this for some time, too. The very nature of most concepts of God is that he's an entity. That defines him as having a subjective experience, and hence any sense of morality he has is just another subjective morality, no matter how wide his reference point.
@Yamikaiba123 Actually, it's not the same as you were saying... what happens when I comment without letting someone finish their sentence. Anyway, I still have that idea to put across. Unless someone is a pan-theist, 'objective morality' makes no sense. What DOES makes sense is a well-informed morality.
@Yamikaiba123 You must have an incorrect definition of "objective morality." "the view that moral principles have objective validity whether or not people recognize them as such; that is , moral rightness or wrongness does not depend on social approval but on independent considerations. It allows principles to be overwritten."
@Evaporator134a Hmm. It doesn't sound like it has anything to do with subjectivity/objectivity, more like social relativism/... uhm, whatever the opposite of that is. But if that's the accepted definition, so be it.
@Yamikaiba123 Social relativism means that the dominate opinion is right. Social relativism states that a population states its moral to have slaves then slavery is moral.
@Evaporator134a I know what social relativism is; I'm pointing out that what the definition of objective morality was counter-defining sounded like social relativism and not subjective morality: "moral rightness or wrongness does not depend on social approval".
Essentially they'd reply to you that "you have no authority to say what's good or bad!". Yes, pushed into this corner they'd argue over the existence of adjectives and word meanings, saying that since you can't prove there can't be someone who loves having nausea therefore there is a god, and he proves it.
@Evaporator134a Yes absolutely they do, they'll even go so far as to say that god created logic itself, with a straight face. It's sickening. They even teach kids to argue this way. It's part of the transcendental argument for god or something.
Wonder how you can get an army of soldiers who wouldn't doubt anything, give them a religion.
@heloizyjhenifer converted to what? I stopped eating meat a long time ago when I saw this animal shaking in fear of me. Since it was wild it was terrified of me. Look at them, I say they can feel pain. Harming them is evil.
@Evaporator134a For your information since apparently I have to defend myself from baseless accusations, I love animals and I would never willfully harm them, I also love women and I'm not a misogynist.
Know what I hate? Closed minded bigots who slander anyone that doesn't agree with them, I fight against segregational ideologies like feminism that only serve to further divide us while the rich laugh on like they did at Wall Street, watching the peasants fight each other. Fuck.
In 2012 the amount that feminism can accomplish on a practical level doesn't justify the liquid hatred some feminists have for men. You have a bit of double think where you acknowledge the fact that some feminists are wrong but you understand that you can't judge all woman based on that minority, yet you go on to explain how a minority of men that are crooked speak for all men. We will never change the extremes, all we can do is work towards mutual respect between typical people.
@AgentGhost nonsense, misogyny is just invisible to people that make statements like those. There are scores and scores of videos on you tube filled with hatred for women, I suggest you start looking in MRA ciricles, meanwhile you would have a hard time proving this "hatred for men" or how that has ANY effect on society whatsoever, even if you can dig up a lame example. Also you're distorting how inmendham treated "men" in this discourse, which is no surprise.
@IndifferentSky Gary has just been lied to like we all have. I once called myself a feminist aswell until I was fortunate enough to be provided with facts that made me start to question just what the feminist movement really is and how it came to be, turns out man hating marxists founded it here.
Feminist may have had some good outcomes but it was never and still isn't an egalitarian movement, I am an egalitarianist but an anti-feminist, the question is, why aren't you?
technically the morals in the bible did come from logic. since there's no god it must have been written by man and his so called logic. people will never agree on this. whats good and acceptable for you obviously isnt for a billion others
@bl4h1 Those people are ignorant of the facts, judgements made in ignorance are not the same as judgements made with associated knowledge and facts.
Put a man that likes chocolate in a room with a cyanide pill that looks like a smarty, along with some smarties and ask him if he wants to eat it, it's quite likely he'll say "sure, why not".
Do the same experiment but this time tell the man one of the smarties is a cyanide pill, funnilly enough it's quite likely he wont choose the same.
Prostitution has been legal in Europe for decades and it hasn't helped. Prostitution has always been legal in Canada and there are still the same problems. The issue isn't legalization vs criminalization, but how the laws are constructed. The Swedish model has worked to reduce harm.
great points about the sex work and feminism. the 'free choice' argument is fucking retarded. and an insult to the trauma experienced every day by people forced to sell their bodies at the expense of their minds.
@SkidRowRadio Prostitution has been around for centuries, it is not going away, by making it illegal you only prevent regulation which can protect the sex workers and essentially punish them.
If prostitution was legalized then it would become an industry with legally binding regulations and give sex workers atleast protection in the form of law.
@BeardedBill86 excuse me, when did i say prostitutes should be criminalised? legalisation does not solve those problems. illegal and coercive trafficking increases in countries where there is a legal prostitution industry. and what happens to those who cant or wont comply with regulations? thats right, they go on the black market. legalisation actually creates an illegal underclass of sex workers. so everyone with STDs, or who dont want to pay tax, or arent allowed to work etc.. all criminals.
While I'm with you on antinatalism, ethics and morality and many other subjects Gary, I am not with feminism because from what I've seen of its origins, effects on modern western society and those who still push the movement and their agenda's it's more female supremacist than equal rights for all sexes.
I think it'd be alot better replaced by a common unisex movement of egalitarianism, because men do have issues, such as legal rights with regards to rape for example.
@BeardedBill86 I don't think a movement that recognizes women as having issues distinct due to thousands of years of history and the status quo is in competition with common sense help for males and whatever issues they face, which I have found are largely class issues. On the rape issue, MR groups need to organize and get real statistics and studies to prove there are too many injustices on the rape legal front. In each area, the prosecution of rape varies but is usually not victim friendly.
@IndifferentSky We aren't living thousands of years ago though, we are living today and today there really are no big issues that feminism needs to address, but they don't address the issues that men face.
You say they are class issues, I disagree when the issues effect solely one gender, for example gender quota's at workplaces - how is that equal opportunities if someone loses out on a job because of their sex?
@BeardedBill86 I am ofcourse speaking of western feminism by the way, I am not saying feminism wasn't needed -or- that it isn't needed in some parts of the world today either.
@BeardedBill86 No clearly I was talking about the status quo and said as much, and that being a compound result of thousands of years of otherizing. I didn't talk about thousands of years ago, I said thousands of years. Like evolution you know. It worked over millions of years, and there is a reason people bring up time frames like that, the damages are long and deep. Also I said mainly class issues, like men being used as cannon fodder. That's due to class.
@IndifferentSky What do you mean "the damages are long and deep"? Damages to whom? Society or women? Because no individual woman can feel any damage from something that she wasn't alive to experience and to my knowledge no woman alive has lived over 130 years let alone a thousand.
I for one refuse to be judged or punished for actions I did not condone nor take part in in the past which noone living has experienced the effects of anyway, it's a flat out silly notion.
@BeardedBill86 2. Also feminists do not need to talk about men's issues, do men talk about women's issues? If men are fired from certain jobs for being men, that's def a gender issue. There should be some gender issues for men, common sense says. I have no problem with that. But the effects of feminism on western society are not negative, and mostly culturally they are non existent in some spheres, like pop culture. Women don't have a presence in movies as people see Bechdel test.
@IndifferentSky (cont)and in Western culture the pop culture are the memes. Who are the strong feminist women in the public sphere? They don't exist, largely as women are non existent as full beings in any public arena. Women fare much better on television, but there you can see the angst in how the comedy is stress relief dealing with privileged and entitled men. It's-ok-to-hate-the-boss type dynamic. That's why men are the acceptable butt of jokes, they have the power. MRA analysis is bankrupt
@IndifferentSky Also the claim that there are not strong feminist women in the public sphere? Come on now, Hillary Clinton for -one- and there are tonnes of others.
And your statement that women are non-existant as full beings in any public arena is wrong aswell, it's men that are treated as sub-humans publicly, just watch the news during a disaster, women are called women then but men are reffered to abstractly, not as men.
Men are the acceptable butts of jokes because they are expendable.
@IndifferentSky And men really are expendable, it's men that are made to go off and fight and die in wars. It is men who get sent down the coal mines or other dangerous places to work and die. It is men that get left behind when the ship sinks because women get the same protection as children.
@BeardedBill86 Men go to war because men have decided that those are the rules. Women didn't create it. Your problem is with the gender roles created by men. Do you really think that women aren't risking their lives in crisis. Women go to war, are police officers, rescue workers, aid workers etc. Your comment that women and children are rescued first is evidence that your position is derived from an imagined world and is not concerned with facts.
@shirehorse91 well and women have not been allowed to serve in combat, how is that their fault? The lines of reasoning and types of things brought up by bill are basically the standard MRA lines that have been argued against really well again and again, and they can't let it go. Most of it makes no sense.
@IndifferentSky Yes, LOL. MRAs think that repeating false accusation over and over somehow makes it true. I've been feeling much the same way as you lately and I'm eagerly waiting for your next video and more brilliance.
@IndifferentSky It'd be great if you could address my rebuttals and while you're at it perhaps you can explain why it is that despite having a higher incidence rate than breast cancer, prostate cancer is relatively ignored and the money that goes in to researching it is paltry when compared to breast cancer research?
Why is it the world takes notice on breast cancer awareness month, but prostate cancer awareness month rolls by relatively unknown?
@BeardedBill86 Once again, you problem has been created by men. If men don't want to raise money and awareness surrounding prostate cancer then take it up with men. You don't have any points that haven't been addressed by IS.
@Evaporator134a And those men don't ever get mentioned in breast cancer advertisements or anything else related to breast cancer, In fact a man was refused screening when he had breast cancer purely because he wasn't a woman.
This is common, men do not get free screening because they are men, women however do, go equality?
@Evaporator134a You're basicly implying I don't care for animal welfare because I'm citing an imbalance between public spending on male cancers as opposed to female cancers?
@BeardedBill86 I'm sure you suddenly are concerned for the interests of all. However, unfortunate I will estimate 99% of your conservative movement is not.
@Evaporator134a My "conservative movement"? What are you talking about? Can you perhaps stop accusing me of being things that I've not stated I am, you're starting to sound like one of those feminists who accuses MRA's of being rapists just because they don't associate themselves with feminism.
@BeardedBill86 "You're basicly implying I don't care for animal welfare because I'm citing an imbalance between public spending on male cancers as opposed to female cancers?"
No, I'm suggesting you say we should have an equal consideration of interests but not for other sentient beings since you eat animals. Before we deracinate a forest do you think we should consider only the effect on humans or should we consider the harm to animals as well?
@shirehorse91 Right, so the "women and children first" policy wasn't used on the Titanic then, that's just my imagination is it? Just like it wasn't attempted with the recent Concordia sinking I'm sure.
Oh and men are responsible for all the bad in the world, like wars, ofcourse .. typical feminist mentality, women are the angels of the world.
It's not like women have been proven to have a higher incidence of child abuse, for example.. nope, that's in my imagined world.
@BeardedBill86 This isn't 1912 so make your comments relevant. Beside, the Titanic seating was done be class. Women and children were stripped of their seat and life preservers so men could have them. Women spend vastly more hours doing child care so it's expected that most incidents would occur with women. You have no point.
@shirehorse91 Pure lies AGAIN shirehorse91. Stats don't lie, and spouting lies on YT doesn't make them true. Number available at "ithaca.edu/staff/jhenderson/titanic.html" show that survival rate by gender group on the Titanic were 72% of Females, 50% of Children and 18% of Men.
@shirehorse91 Facts and statistics really mean nothing to your beliefs do they? 72% of women survived. 18% of men did and you're complaint is that "MOST" of the women and children were denied life boats? "MOST" would require that AT LEAST 50% of women and children died but the only demographic that had that high of a mortality rate were the men. It doesn't matter how much you repeat bulls__t, it's still bulls__it.
@kevendubin Upper class men were higher on the priority list than working and middle class women and children, and middle class women and children were higher on the list than middle class men. Classism is still alive and well in America, when the roommate of the CEO's son from college or prep school get the promotion over the grind who attended state school naively believes that hard work will get him the promotion, that is classism, and people being treated better for...
(cont.) wearing "better" (i.e., higher status) clothes and having higher status cars. Then again, who would you respect more, the man with a bespoke well tailored suit from the Andover Shop, or the man in a polyester heavy shouldered jacket who looks ready to deliver a sermon to an evangelical megachurch? The man in the Lacoste and khakis or the man in an MSA tee shirt and jean shorts?
@jaymthegenius Yes, and that has next to nothing to do with sexism on the titanic. Classism is a different matter entirely.
Although of note according to historians about the Titanic on the port side of the ship a "Women and Children Only" rule was in place which did not allow first class male passengers first boarding rights. Only on the starboard side of the boat did first class men get to board before females in lower classes and even there they had to wait behind first class women.
@BeardedBill86 Men created gender segregation, so if you have a problem then take it up with men. Feminists are against gender segregation so you are arguing the feminist position.
@BeardedBill86 women are likely to die at the hands of men and during childbirth. Why make this a contest? It's FALSE to get into the oppression Olympics regarding feminism. A man risking himself for capitalism or country does NOT change why we need feminism, sorry, fail. That is a red herring.
@IndifferentSky Feminists don't need to talk about men's issues, exactly and so men's issues go ignored because feminism is a dominant movement and the MR movement is not given decent coverage or representation in a society that has become dominated by female issues leaving men on the sidelines.
You say the effects of feminism on western society are not negative.. sure, for women. I think there's clearly negative effects when a man is laughed at on a womens talk show after being mutilated.
@IndifferentSky Feminists don't need to talk about men's issues, exactly and so men's issues go ignored because feminism is a dominant movement and the MR movement is not given decent coverage or representation in a society that has become dominated by female issues leaving men on the sidelines.
You say the effects of feminism on western society are not negative.. sure, for women. I think there's clearly negative effects when a man is laughed at on a womens talk show after being mutilated
@IndifferentSky Feminists don't need to talk about men's issues, exactly and so men's issues go ignored because feminism is a dominant movement and the MR movement is not given decent coverage or representation in a society that has become dominated by female issues leaving men on the sidelines.
You say the effects of feminism on western society are not negative.. sure, for women. I think there's clearly negative effects when a man is laughed at on a womens talk show after being mutilated..
There are already legal models that people can learn from and get a better understanding of this "401K" stuff. ergh. btw, gary, I can't be an antinatalist anymore, ...telling people what to do, and stuff... people should do what they want. (like that's the issue, ergh so depressing)
@inmendham G'day... Yeah, Morality escapes some Atheists, & some Religionists decide that because They want to be on God's Side, whatever they want to do must be OK with God.... I like the Book of Godtheory which says "Everything In This Book May Be Wrong."... Search "WarblesOnALot To SisterSunshineTV... Book Review, OAHSPE.". It's the only written Godtheory I never found holes in. Also it's in "Warbles Reply to Evangelistic Islam".
Great! Great visual effects and pyrotechnics! Hahaha! Point on morality of atheists, I agree. Anyone who has morality without religion is a better person than the religious moral person, who requires religious dogma and morality from a book. True Dat! Hahahaha! Rock on, Gary!
gary, I'm drunk...don't let your e-cigarette blow up in your face....stop that, ok? wouldn't want your beautiful face to be a fence post! love, karen..... :)
Wwechoes 1 week ago
Mmm. Cakes? I was just defending you a couple hours ago against some commenter who accused you of being surrounded by sycophants. I told him you only gave away the occasional camera for video contests, but now that I'm thinking about cakes, it kind of invalidates my defense.
This is all in good fun... I have nothing better to do when I'm sleep deprived and drudging through a Chem lab... oh. Let me get on that.
Yamikaiba123 3 weeks ago
Man, it's harder to write up a Chemistry lab report while listening to Gary than I thought.
Yamikaiba123 3 weeks ago
@Yamikaiba123 You have to be lame man. Lamer than everyone in your class and you will get A in every class. Be lame at work too.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
I've been touting this for some time, too. The very nature of most concepts of God is that he's an entity. That defines him as having a subjective experience, and hence any sense of morality he has is just another subjective morality, no matter how wide his reference point.
Yamikaiba123 3 weeks ago
@Yamikaiba123 Actually, it's not the same as you were saying... what happens when I comment without letting someone finish their sentence. Anyway, I still have that idea to put across. Unless someone is a pan-theist, 'objective morality' makes no sense. What DOES makes sense is a well-informed morality.
Yamikaiba123 3 weeks ago
@Yamikaiba123 You must have an incorrect definition of "objective morality." "the view that moral principles have objective validity whether or not people recognize them as such; that is , moral rightness or wrongness does not depend on social approval but on independent considerations. It allows principles to be overwritten."
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a Hmm. It doesn't sound like it has anything to do with subjectivity/objectivity, more like social relativism/... uhm, whatever the opposite of that is. But if that's the accepted definition, so be it.
Yamikaiba123 3 weeks ago
@Yamikaiba123 Social relativism means that the dominate opinion is right. Social relativism states that a population states its moral to have slaves then slavery is moral.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
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@Evaporator134a I know what social relativism is; I'm pointing out that what the definition of objective morality was counter-defining sounded like social relativism and not subjective morality: "moral rightness or wrongness does not depend on social approval".
Yamikaiba123 3 weeks ago
Yes, as I have said before the argument from Hume is a terrible argument terrible argument. It is not even worth it.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
Essentially they'd reply to you that "you have no authority to say what's good or bad!". Yes, pushed into this corner they'd argue over the existence of adjectives and word meanings, saying that since you can't prove there can't be someone who loves having nausea therefore there is a god, and he proves it.
heloizyjhenifer 3 weeks ago
@heloizyjhenifer Is that really what they say? It seems meaningless to me. They think thats a good argument do they?
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a Yes absolutely they do, they'll even go so far as to say that god created logic itself, with a straight face. It's sickening. They even teach kids to argue this way. It's part of the transcendental argument for god or something.
Wonder how you can get an army of soldiers who wouldn't doubt anything, give them a religion.
heloizyjhenifer 3 weeks ago
@heloizyjhenifer I stand corrected. If god invented logic I guess they are right.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a So, converted already? :) haha
heloizyjhenifer 3 weeks ago
@heloizyjhenifer converted to what? I stopped eating meat a long time ago when I saw this animal shaking in fear of me. Since it was wild it was terrified of me. Look at them, I say they can feel pain. Harming them is evil.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a Not to that, I mean converted to the religion with the god who invented logic
heloizyjhenifer 3 weeks ago
@heloizyjhenifer Isn't it just a hypothetical argument?
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a For your information since apparently I have to defend myself from baseless accusations, I love animals and I would never willfully harm them, I also love women and I'm not a misogynist.
Know what I hate? Closed minded bigots who slander anyone that doesn't agree with them, I fight against segregational ideologies like feminism that only serve to further divide us while the rich laugh on like they did at Wall Street, watching the peasants fight each other. Fuck.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 Wrong. For it to be slander I would have to know it is not true Wrong wrong wrong. If you think it is true then it is not slander.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 So to be clear then you are not eating animals that have been farmed?
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a I ascribe to ethical omnivorism,
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 So I was right initially.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 unless you wait for animals to die of old age.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
In 2012 the amount that feminism can accomplish on a practical level doesn't justify the liquid hatred some feminists have for men. You have a bit of double think where you acknowledge the fact that some feminists are wrong but you understand that you can't judge all woman based on that minority, yet you go on to explain how a minority of men that are crooked speak for all men. We will never change the extremes, all we can do is work towards mutual respect between typical people.
AgentGhost 3 weeks ago
@AgentGhost nonsense, misogyny is just invisible to people that make statements like those. There are scores and scores of videos on you tube filled with hatred for women, I suggest you start looking in MRA ciricles, meanwhile you would have a hard time proving this "hatred for men" or how that has ANY effect on society whatsoever, even if you can dig up a lame example. Also you're distorting how inmendham treated "men" in this discourse, which is no surprise.
IndifferentSky 3 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky Gary has just been lied to like we all have. I once called myself a feminist aswell until I was fortunate enough to be provided with facts that made me start to question just what the feminist movement really is and how it came to be, turns out man hating marxists founded it here.
Feminist may have had some good outcomes but it was never and still isn't an egalitarian movement, I am an egalitarianist but an anti-feminist, the question is, why aren't you?
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
what's the evidence for 1 "Christo-tube" actually abiding by the standards of Biblical morality w/o pulling a Violetkitty
TJae1 3 weeks ago
technically the morals in the bible did come from logic. since there's no god it must have been written by man and his so called logic. people will never agree on this. whats good and acceptable for you obviously isnt for a billion others
bl4h1 3 weeks ago
@bl4h1 what YOU want, isnt what everyone else wants. for some reason you think thats the case
bl4h1 3 weeks ago
@bl4h1 You can't argue against the truth with made up mumbo jumbo, it's as simple as that, the truth wins by default.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@bl4h1 Those people are ignorant of the facts, judgements made in ignorance are not the same as judgements made with associated knowledge and facts.
Put a man that likes chocolate in a room with a cyanide pill that looks like a smarty, along with some smarties and ask him if he wants to eat it, it's quite likely he'll say "sure, why not".
Do the same experiment but this time tell the man one of the smarties is a cyanide pill, funnilly enough it's quite likely he wont choose the same.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
:^D wow great camera effects Inmendham.
hanson666999 3 weeks ago
Gary,
Prostitution has been legal in Europe for decades and it hasn't helped. Prostitution has always been legal in Canada and there are still the same problems. The issue isn't legalization vs criminalization, but how the laws are constructed. The Swedish model has worked to reduce harm.
shirehorse91 3 weeks ago
@shirehorse91 Indeed, but the laws have to be there first don't they.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
thanks for smacking down the offensive "god" phallus see.
ParkwayDriveHorizons 3 weeks ago
great points about the sex work and feminism. the 'free choice' argument is fucking retarded. and an insult to the trauma experienced every day by people forced to sell their bodies at the expense of their minds.
SkidRowRadio 3 weeks ago
@SkidRowRadio Prostitution has been around for centuries, it is not going away, by making it illegal you only prevent regulation which can protect the sex workers and essentially punish them.
If prostitution was legalized then it would become an industry with legally binding regulations and give sex workers atleast protection in the form of law.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 excuse me, when did i say prostitutes should be criminalised? legalisation does not solve those problems. illegal and coercive trafficking increases in countries where there is a legal prostitution industry. and what happens to those who cant or wont comply with regulations? thats right, they go on the black market. legalisation actually creates an illegal underclass of sex workers. so everyone with STDs, or who dont want to pay tax, or arent allowed to work etc.. all criminals.
SkidRowRadio 3 weeks ago
great vid!
Domzdream 3 weeks ago
While I'm with you on antinatalism, ethics and morality and many other subjects Gary, I am not with feminism because from what I've seen of its origins, effects on modern western society and those who still push the movement and their agenda's it's more female supremacist than equal rights for all sexes.
I think it'd be alot better replaced by a common unisex movement of egalitarianism, because men do have issues, such as legal rights with regards to rape for example.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 I don't think a movement that recognizes women as having issues distinct due to thousands of years of history and the status quo is in competition with common sense help for males and whatever issues they face, which I have found are largely class issues. On the rape issue, MR groups need to organize and get real statistics and studies to prove there are too many injustices on the rape legal front. In each area, the prosecution of rape varies but is usually not victim friendly.
IndifferentSky 3 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky We aren't living thousands of years ago though, we are living today and today there really are no big issues that feminism needs to address, but they don't address the issues that men face.
You say they are class issues, I disagree when the issues effect solely one gender, for example gender quota's at workplaces - how is that equal opportunities if someone loses out on a job because of their sex?
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 I am ofcourse speaking of western feminism by the way, I am not saying feminism wasn't needed -or- that it isn't needed in some parts of the world today either.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 No clearly I was talking about the status quo and said as much, and that being a compound result of thousands of years of otherizing. I didn't talk about thousands of years ago, I said thousands of years. Like evolution you know. It worked over millions of years, and there is a reason people bring up time frames like that, the damages are long and deep. Also I said mainly class issues, like men being used as cannon fodder. That's due to class.
IndifferentSky 3 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky What do you mean "the damages are long and deep"? Damages to whom? Society or women? Because no individual woman can feel any damage from something that she wasn't alive to experience and to my knowledge no woman alive has lived over 130 years let alone a thousand.
I for one refuse to be judged or punished for actions I did not condone nor take part in in the past which noone living has experienced the effects of anyway, it's a flat out silly notion.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 2. Also feminists do not need to talk about men's issues, do men talk about women's issues? If men are fired from certain jobs for being men, that's def a gender issue. There should be some gender issues for men, common sense says. I have no problem with that. But the effects of feminism on western society are not negative, and mostly culturally they are non existent in some spheres, like pop culture. Women don't have a presence in movies as people see Bechdel test.
IndifferentSky 3 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky (cont)and in Western culture the pop culture are the memes. Who are the strong feminist women in the public sphere? They don't exist, largely as women are non existent as full beings in any public arena. Women fare much better on television, but there you can see the angst in how the comedy is stress relief dealing with privileged and entitled men. It's-ok-to-hate-the-boss type dynamic. That's why men are the acceptable butt of jokes, they have the power. MRA analysis is bankrupt
IndifferentSky 3 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky Also the claim that there are not strong feminist women in the public sphere? Come on now, Hillary Clinton for -one- and there are tonnes of others.
And your statement that women are non-existant as full beings in any public arena is wrong aswell, it's men that are treated as sub-humans publicly, just watch the news during a disaster, women are called women then but men are reffered to abstractly, not as men.
Men are the acceptable butts of jokes because they are expendable.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky And men really are expendable, it's men that are made to go off and fight and die in wars. It is men who get sent down the coal mines or other dangerous places to work and die. It is men that get left behind when the ship sinks because women get the same protection as children.
And you call that equality? I don't think so.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 Men go to war because men have decided that those are the rules. Women didn't create it. Your problem is with the gender roles created by men. Do you really think that women aren't risking their lives in crisis. Women go to war, are police officers, rescue workers, aid workers etc. Your comment that women and children are rescued first is evidence that your position is derived from an imagined world and is not concerned with facts.
shirehorse91 3 weeks ago
@shirehorse91 well and women have not been allowed to serve in combat, how is that their fault? The lines of reasoning and types of things brought up by bill are basically the standard MRA lines that have been argued against really well again and again, and they can't let it go. Most of it makes no sense.
IndifferentSky 3 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky Yes, LOL. MRAs think that repeating false accusation over and over somehow makes it true. I've been feeling much the same way as you lately and I'm eagerly waiting for your next video and more brilliance.
shirehorse91 3 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky It'd be great if you could address my rebuttals and while you're at it perhaps you can explain why it is that despite having a higher incidence rate than breast cancer, prostate cancer is relatively ignored and the money that goes in to researching it is paltry when compared to breast cancer research?
Why is it the world takes notice on breast cancer awareness month, but prostate cancer awareness month rolls by relatively unknown?
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 Once again, you problem has been created by men. If men don't want to raise money and awareness surrounding prostate cancer then take it up with men. You don't have any points that haven't been addressed by IS.
shirehorse91 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 men get breast cancer too bro.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a And those men don't ever get mentioned in breast cancer advertisements or anything else related to breast cancer, In fact a man was refused screening when he had breast cancer purely because he wasn't a woman.
This is common, men do not get free screening because they are men, women however do, go equality?
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 Why is so much spent on prostate cancer and nothing is spent on preventing the suffering of animals?
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 In fact you pay good money to increase suffering. But you fund studies to help yourself?
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 Experiment on monkeys and defensless puppies to cure you cancer? Fucking hypocrite.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a I don't follow you at all, what the fuck are you talking about?
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 Of course you don't get it.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 You are the one talking about an equal consideration of interests so figure it out.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a You're basicly implying I don't care for animal welfare because I'm citing an imbalance between public spending on male cancers as opposed to female cancers?
Yeah, that makes alot of fucking sense.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 I'm sure you suddenly are concerned for the interests of all. However, unfortunate I will estimate 99% of your conservative movement is not.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a My "conservative movement"? What are you talking about? Can you perhaps stop accusing me of being things that I've not stated I am, you're starting to sound like one of those feminists who accuses MRA's of being rapists just because they don't associate themselves with feminism.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 You call yourselves MR?
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@Evaporator134a That depends on what your idea of an MR is, I imagine yours is somewhat messed up like your image of me.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
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@BeardedBill86 "You're basicly implying I don't care for animal welfare because I'm citing an imbalance between public spending on male cancers as opposed to female cancers?"
No, I'm suggesting you say we should have an equal consideration of interests but not for other sentient beings since you eat animals. Before we deracinate a forest do you think we should consider only the effect on humans or should we consider the harm to animals as well?
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@shirehorse91 Right, so the "women and children first" policy wasn't used on the Titanic then, that's just my imagination is it? Just like it wasn't attempted with the recent Concordia sinking I'm sure.
Oh and men are responsible for all the bad in the world, like wars, ofcourse .. typical feminist mentality, women are the angels of the world.
It's not like women have been proven to have a higher incidence of child abuse, for example.. nope, that's in my imagined world.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 This isn't 1912 so make your comments relevant. Beside, the Titanic seating was done be class. Women and children were stripped of their seat and life preservers so men could have them. Women spend vastly more hours doing child care so it's expected that most incidents would occur with women. You have no point.
shirehorse91 3 weeks ago
@shirehorse91 Pure lies AGAIN shirehorse91. Stats don't lie, and spouting lies on YT doesn't make them true. Number available at "ithaca.edu/staff/jhenderson/titanic.html" show that survival rate by gender group on the Titanic were 72% of Females, 50% of Children and 18% of Men.
kevendubin 3 weeks ago
@kevendubin You are talking about 1912 and it's not relevant. Also, most of the women and children were denied life boats so men could take them.
shirehorse91 3 weeks ago
@shirehorse91 Facts and statistics really mean nothing to your beliefs do they? 72% of women survived. 18% of men did and you're complaint is that "MOST" of the women and children were denied life boats? "MOST" would require that AT LEAST 50% of women and children died but the only demographic that had that high of a mortality rate were the men. It doesn't matter how much you repeat bulls__t, it's still bulls__it.
kevendubin 3 weeks ago
@kevendubin Upper class men were higher on the priority list than working and middle class women and children, and middle class women and children were higher on the list than middle class men. Classism is still alive and well in America, when the roommate of the CEO's son from college or prep school get the promotion over the grind who attended state school naively believes that hard work will get him the promotion, that is classism, and people being treated better for...
jaymthegenius 3 weeks ago
(cont.) wearing "better" (i.e., higher status) clothes and having higher status cars. Then again, who would you respect more, the man with a bespoke well tailored suit from the Andover Shop, or the man in a polyester heavy shouldered jacket who looks ready to deliver a sermon to an evangelical megachurch? The man in the Lacoste and khakis or the man in an MSA tee shirt and jean shorts?
jaymthegenius 3 weeks ago
*MMA
jaymthegenius 3 weeks ago
@jaymthegenius Yes, and that has next to nothing to do with sexism on the titanic. Classism is a different matter entirely.
Although of note according to historians about the Titanic on the port side of the ship a "Women and Children Only" rule was in place which did not allow first class male passengers first boarding rights. Only on the starboard side of the boat did first class men get to board before females in lower classes and even there they had to wait behind first class women.
kevendubin 3 weeks ago
@kevendubin If you can't drown to save someone then you cannot do what is necessary.
Evaporator134a 3 weeks ago
@shirehorse91 I know one thing, the statistics don't back you up when it comes to women risking their lives.
Look it up, men are 5 times more likely to die at work than women and that's today.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 Men created gender segregation, so if you have a problem then take it up with men. Feminists are against gender segregation so you are arguing the feminist position.
shirehorse91 3 weeks ago
@shirehorse91 hahahahaha.. seriously funniest quote I've seen in AGES. "Feminists are against gender segregation".. pure LOL.
kevendubin 3 weeks ago
@shirehorse91 More evidence that you don't know what feminism is or what they say. Good luck in your helium filled bubble of a world.
shirehorse91 3 weeks ago
@BeardedBill86 women are likely to die at the hands of men and during childbirth. Why make this a contest? It's FALSE to get into the oppression Olympics regarding feminism. A man risking himself for capitalism or country does NOT change why we need feminism, sorry, fail. That is a red herring.
IndifferentSky 2 weeks ago 3
@IndifferentSky You're in denial.
BeardedBill86 2 weeks ago
@IndifferentSky Feminists don't need to talk about men's issues, exactly and so men's issues go ignored because feminism is a dominant movement and the MR movement is not given decent coverage or representation in a society that has become dominated by female issues leaving men on the sidelines.
You say the effects of feminism on western society are not negative.. sure, for women. I think there's clearly negative effects when a man is laughed at on a womens talk show after being mutilated.
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
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@IndifferentSky Feminists don't need to talk about men's issues, exactly and so men's issues go ignored because feminism is a dominant movement and the MR movement is not given decent coverage or representation in a society that has become dominated by female issues leaving men on the sidelines.
You say the effects of feminism on western society are not negative.. sure, for women. I think there's clearly negative effects when a man is laughed at on a womens talk show after being mutilated
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
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@IndifferentSky Feminists don't need to talk about men's issues, exactly and so men's issues go ignored because feminism is a dominant movement and the MR movement is not given decent coverage or representation in a society that has become dominated by female issues leaving men on the sidelines.
You say the effects of feminism on western society are not negative.. sure, for women. I think there's clearly negative effects when a man is laughed at on a womens talk show after being mutilated..
BeardedBill86 3 weeks ago
There are already legal models that people can learn from and get a better understanding of this "401K" stuff. ergh. btw, gary, I can't be an antinatalist anymore, ...telling people what to do, and stuff... people should do what they want. (like that's the issue, ergh so depressing)
IndifferentSky 3 weeks ago
Inmendham is the new thunderf00t
SuperMassiveAtheist 3 weeks ago
@SuperMassiveAtheist yeah, who knew, right? =)
yupiie 3 weeks ago
@inmendham G'day... Yeah, Morality escapes some Atheists, & some Religionists decide that because They want to be on God's Side, whatever they want to do must be OK with God.... I like the Book of Godtheory which says "Everything In This Book May Be Wrong."... Search "WarblesOnALot To SisterSunshineTV... Book Review, OAHSPE.". It's the only written Godtheory I never found holes in. Also it's in "Warbles Reply to Evangelistic Islam".
WarblesOnALot 3 weeks ago
Great! Great visual effects and pyrotechnics! Hahaha! Point on morality of atheists, I agree. Anyone who has morality without religion is a better person than the religious moral person, who requires religious dogma and morality from a book. True Dat! Hahahaha! Rock on, Gary!
Qntkka 3 weeks ago
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White14Man 3 weeks ago
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White14Man 3 weeks ago
lol, nice Gary
White14Man 3 weeks ago
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MensRifleAssociation 3 weeks ago
I support neither of you, lol.
outsidemendham 3 weeks ago
@outsidemendham As if anyone would want your support. lol
erspae 3 weeks ago
@outsidemendham Insightful comment.
abutnotantisocial 3 weeks ago