There is a scene in Warriors of the Deep that is a far more accurate depiction of human nature than anything in the new series where we just keep hearing Tennent applauding the human race for everything it's done.
@someone332 All those characters are caricatures, just really extreme like an American show. Midnight is better than other nu-hu but it's still far from being Doctor Who.
@227060 It didn't continue it since ReTarD changed so much about the show, like the Dr. can now control the TARDIS perfectly but the he keeps landing in the same place in the same time & acts surprised when he lands in Pompeii. ReTarD also has him quote modern TV shows instead if literature like he used to. ReTarD clearly establishes a difference between the 2 e.g. The Dr always regenerates in the same stupid way. Nu-hu is more like a cheap imitation of DW - a cartoon that should come on CBBC.
@LegoDaleks spiritually its the same show. stylistically its a show for modern times, however the show was always that as far as its budget allowed reflecting issues and styles of the day. however the difference between tv from the 60s, 70s and 80s while significant, is not nearly as staggering as the difference between tv thsoe eras to tv of today. hence the uncomfortable shift. however. if you look at spin off material from between 1989 and 2005...
@227060 ....while physical continuity such as the existence of certain companions can be debated, stylistically there is a very clear continuity running through it. whatsmore the hell is wrong with quoting tv, not that he doesn't quote literature as well eg he quotes Shakespeare, Dickens, Christie and Rowling frequently. He cannot control the TARDIS perfectly at all, he perhaps a somewhat greater control than in previous years eg he can materialise...
@227060 from the cabinet war rooms onto a Dalek ship in the exact same time period, but it is very tricky for him. whatsmore in your specific example he was surprised to end up in Pompeii because he was aiming for Rome. While creativly interesting it is actually makes less sense for a regeneration, a natural process, to occur differently almost each time. if its the same that makes more biological sense. And OF COURSE it should be on CBBC...
@227060 ...because the under 8 year olds are really gonna appreciate the moral diemma of having to accept your death to save someone or a group of people, knowing your self worth, not defining your life through another and being your own person, facing the consequences of a care-free existence, of the dangers of being controlled by the media
@227060 Modern British TV in general has been dumbed down, so DW should B as well? He can't quote TV shows unless he has a TV which only shows UK programmes between 2005-2007. Like Balamory. The REAL DW has continuity in his death scenes - he's usually lying down, cuz he's dying, unlike in bu-hu, where he just cries & regenerates. A cartoon with sexual undercurrents shouldn't be on any channel. Tracy Beaker is more grown-up than nu-hu. REAL Who is more grown up & under 8s used to watch it.
@LegoDaleks he specifically says in the 2005 episode Aliens of London that the TARDIS can receive tv transmissions and there was an unsepcified period of time during which he lived with the Tyler houshold after his regenration whcih consequently meant he likely picked some stuff up early on, or more accurately he lived in the TARDIS which had landed on thier estate. whatsmore DW hasn't been dumbed down altho with reality tv ALL tv has been dumbed down generally...
@227060 ...whatsmore why the fuck does he have to be lying down...i mean at all, it all depends on the specifc circumstances. we never sww Troughton regenerate while lyiung down. and Eccelston wasn't crying. furhtermore Tennant only cried but theres nothing wrong with that, he'd grown very attached specifically to that regeneration and didn't WANT to die and regenerate.. how is it a cartoon at all? and sexual udnercurrents? again, modern UK tv...
@227060 ...whats more, on a somewhat unrelated topic "A cartoon with sexual undercurrents shouldn't be on any channel" where the hell have you been, have you seen the Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, American Dad, South park, the Cleaveland Show, many many animes, ANY of the DC comics animated Universe tv shows? they ALL to different degrees can contain sexual undercurrents. in fact while the 80s character of Ace had more...
@227060 ....sexual/romantic undercurrents than previous DW companions (Susan and arguably Ian and Barbera are amongst a few exceptions) once the show went off air in the 90s and began producing spin-off media they positivly cut loose. in fact on TARDIS wikia there is a whole page dedicated tot he subject of sex in the Doctor Who universe and the vast majority of it is infact present in this spin off media than in any of the TV shows....
@227060 I've seen Tracey Beaker, it used to fgollowed by the Sarah jane Adventures. the latter was more gorwn up than the former and SJA is undeniably less adult orientated than its parent show, but it was and still is brilliant (god bless Lis Sladen). I've seen plenty of old Doctor Who and like the new series some stories are more adult than others but it retains that variety. whatsmore while under 8s were indeed watching it, they weren't much in the 80s were they, the age grp is usually 8-40s
@227060 U can talk a lot of crap. Family Guy isn't a family show - R U sick? U said modern uk shows are dumber & U said DW is like modern TV shows - logically that means that nu-hu is dumber. It isn't in keeping to the Dr. character having him watch TV. Amy offers herself to the Dr. - U can't say that kind of stuff happened in the olden days, the BBC was cautious back then. If you are dying & then die, it makes more sense to be lying down. 2nd Dr. didn't die. SJA is more childish than TrBeaker.
@LegoDaleks er, im sorry, where the hell did you say family show, you just said "A cartoon with sexual undercurrents shouldn't be on any channel". I said 'generally' but then said specifcally DW hasn't been dumbed down. The Doctor likes to travel, has a strong sense of moral justice, is mysterious and doesn't murder. that is his character. beyond that anything else goes really and each incarnation has different likes and dislikes. whatsmore where did he specifically dislike tv?...
@227060 ...no that stuff didn't happen in the old days, but equally in the 1960s you didn't have the Doctor roaming around specifically at times seeking out to undo intergalatic villainy like in the 1980s. the show was always chanigng and the Amy thing is an example of a style change inkeeping with modern TV which is liberal about that stuff, in fact it was arguably too strict back then eg the fifth Doctor wasn't usually allowed to even platonically touch any of his companions except Adric...
@227060 ....thsi was i suppose out of some fear that through simply touching them it'd allude to romance or something, which basically means on the flipside he made the Doctor look to the same stupid eyes who would've come to that conclusion had the Doctor touched the female companions as tho there was something going on btwn him and Adric. of course there wasn't but the strictness can screw themselves over. this loosened up further eg Ace...
@227060 ...the hell is SJA more childish than Beaker which while i have nothing really against it, literally cuts to cartoons segments of the imagination. whatsmore regeneration isn't specifcally dying, it is a dying of a persona, the body itself is renewing itself, it activates when dying OR critically indured. if you die you are dead, eg Impossible Astronaught. ppl who have terminal cancer are dying but some of them can stand and so in the 9 and 10's cases despite dying they could stand
@227060 ...and as another note to Amy offering herself to the Doctor, in the 1990s novels the Doctor's companion Bernice Summerfield also offers herself to the Doctor and he actually accepts too. so you see the series was always moving into this directions. stuff like thats even alludded to in the even less adult Big finish plays. it only seems like a huge jump bcos stylisitcally the developments have happened in non-tv media hence btwn 89 and 05 it looks like a bigger jump than it actually is
@227060 I think it's pretty much clear to any1 that the original Dr.'s R one way & the nu ones are another way. Just look at the first 9 Doctors - It's clear that Eccleston is the odd one out. In the original series the Dr.'s personality did change, in nu-hu that doesn't happen. All the nu ones have the same personality & the "writers" make no effort to change his dialogue. E.g.Victory is not written specifically for Matt, all the things he says & does R just like Tennant which R like Eccleston.
@LegoDaleks once more have you actually watched the new series. 9, 10 and 11's personalities despite having some degreee of crossover are extremly different. and for gods sake you cannot compare the doctors and say personalitywise that 1 of them is the odd 1 out, the entire point is that they are different from 1 another. its like...ok, this is a weird analogy but lsiten. its like your fingers, they are all different sizes so there cannot be an odd 1 out but they are all part of the same hand...
@227060 ....whatsmore Victory has dialogue which is nothing like what Tennant would say really and while i agree as far as Smith's dialogue in Series 5 goes it is the weakest bear in mind it was early days for him and for the writers of the eleventh doctor. there is an 11th Doctor novel which was written beforeseries 5 and its clearly meant to be Tennant bcos they had no idea what Smith's doctor would be like. ontop of that Eccelston and Tennant are miles apart
@227060 ...Tennant's dialogue cotnained larger speechs required to be spoken at quick fire speed, with lots of misdirection and tangents, Eccelston's dialogue was simpler, slower more to the point. neither is better or worse, just different. I mean Troughton didn't talk or have apersonality like Hartnell's, Pertwee's personality wasn't much like Davison's, McGann's personality isn't anything like Colin Baker's. there is some degree of crossover eg 5+10 r young and energetic 2+7 a manipulators
@227060 Even though the originals were different they had similarities for continuity, but Eccleston is not like the others. The actors in nu-hu act somewhat differently but their personalities R the same. Eccleston&Tennant would definitely bash a Dalek about while SHOUTING:"I am the Dr. & U R the Daleks" In the originals every Dr. was almost the opposite (personality) to his predecessor. U actually think RTD made a different Dr for 10 after 9 unexpectantly left? All nu ones shout for no reason.
@LegoDaleks yeah theydid have similarities for continuity. like a strong moral compass love of travelling, a desire to travel with someone, oh wait thats what the new ones have too. Time Lord personalities are emant to be different in each incarnation and ontop of everthing else, you forget its not like nothing has happened betwwen the movie and 2005. the 8th doctor has had all of his adventures and fought in afriggin war. and you wonder how...
@227060 ...even on a fundamental level he has somewhat changed. characters, even the Doctor grow and change. i've already cited how mccoy and colin baker activly sought out evil unlike their predecessors who were either given missions or soughted out problems when they arose. you say Eccelston and Tennant would bash a dalek...but did they? no. the mere absence of them doing that proves that they wouldn't do that. given they each faced Daleks at least twice...
@227060 ...on top of that Eccelston's doctor, while admitedly not where the Daleks are concerned, genrally took a more passive approuch than the more pro-active Tennant or Smith. in most of his stories he either encourages/inspires someone else to save the day or allowes events to run their course eg he watched Cassandra die and allowed it to happen, he didn't do anything to help her, but nor did he do anything directly to kill her he just teleported her there...
@227060 ...equally Ecceslton and Smith are opposite to Tennant. Eccelston had survivors guilt and was damged inside and while this did crop up with Tennant at times it was hardly his default like with Eccelston and with Smith he has left even more of that survivors guilt behind him (altho it evidently is still there as there is an abundence of evidence to suggest he doesn't like himself all that much). Eccelston's age slower steady approuch to stuff...
@227060 ...was tempered by Tennant's youth and faster higher energy approuch. whatsmore Eccelston is a character trying to reconnect with life whereas Tennant, as part of his character development, HAS conencted with life and is enjoying it, he revels in humanity and his own more humanistic side, whereas Smith while also enjoying life and suportive of humans is much less human and more awkard. this is the different incarnations spilling in...
@227060 ...they shout when theres trouble or when they are excited and Eccelston didn't shout much compared to Tennant and smith too shouts less so no they don't all shout. on top of that there is SO much information clearly laying out that RTD wrote series 1 KNOWING Eccelston was leaving and it becomes so clear when you watch it back, he is trying to reconnect with humanity, to come back to life and in the end he is literally reborn as a new man who does just that
@227060 Do U even believe Ur own arguments? Of course the other 2 Dr.'s would behave the same as Smith in Victory. They do a lot of shouting, bashing with a huge mallet and repeatedly saying I am the Dr. in an unconvincing way. Shout, shout, bash, bash, magic wand, magic wand, I am the Dr., I am the Dr. over & over again. All 3 of them are like that. Of course nothing happened between the movie & 2005 otherwise it would've been revealed just like everything else. The Dr. isn't an enigma anymore.
@LegoDaleks You bet your ass i believe my own arguments. when the fuck do 9 or 10 bash a dalek with anything, in fact when do 9 or 10 bash anything, except inanimate stuff out of frustration (i don't 9 ever did this actually). whats more again, 9 met daleks twice, 10 met em 3 times. of those 5 times, never any mallet bashing. u are retarded now. no ok, that was rude, you haven't been paying any attention at all...
@227060 ...have you been reading what i said, there were not only books, comics, and audio plays featuring the 7th doctor set between Survival and the movie and featuring the 8th dr set btwn the movie and Rose but in Rose and The End fo the world (literally the first 2 epsiodes) we discover there was a TIME WAR its mentioned like almost every story, for gods sake even if you dismiss the spin off stuff, to say NOTHING happened between the movie and 2005 is stupid...
@227060 ...i mean the goddam writing is on the wall Ace is gone and the TARDIS interior is different int he movie so OBVIOUSLY something happened and then in 2005 the TARDIS has not only changed again but so has the Doctor, so obviously stuff has happened. and the doctor isn't an enigma anymore? fuck me youmust've bedn happy when the show ended in 89 and you didn't have to meet the doctor's family. for starters, we still dunno what his name is...
@227060 ..., we dunno WHY he conceals his name, we dunno how exactly he regeneratd, we dunno how he ended the time war or what specifically he did in it aside from a few hints and obviously we know he ended it, then there is the mystery of his crib, what precisly River Song has to do with him and how and why he reveals his name to her. also most of the doctor's mystique apart from his name and family was GONE with the War Games
@227060 I said all 3 bash things with mallets (e.g the tardis) all 3 shout at the tops of their voices that they R the Dr. all 3 use their magic wand to cover plot holes. Only the supposed time war "happened". Of course none of the novel stuff counts. It didn't need to end in 89, but it didn't need to be brought back with ReTarD in charge. It's sooo obvious that the REAL Dr. would never french kiss anyone or say shit like: Stop mucking about. Nu-hu is all about revealing more about Dr.
@LegoDaleks oh bashing the TARDIS with amallet...yeah they do....so? thats part of making the thing work when its christ knows how old and been through at least 2 wars and meant to be manned by 6 people on top of basically cobbling the thing together over the years. altho Smith has yet to use a TARDIS mallet. again Eccelston rarely shouted that he is the Doctor and when Tennant and Smith did it it was a perfectly valid intimidatory tactic....
@227060 ...if by magic wand you mean sonic screwdriver what plot holes do they solve with the sonic. no, actually give me examples beyond open locked doors. the novel stuff is ambiguously canonical which means its perfectly valid so long as the tv show doesn't outright contradict things. Wikipedia and TARDIS wiki ALL state that its relation is unknown, not definitvly canonical or non-canonical. of course it didn't need to end 1989 but RTD won the pitch fair and square...
@227060 ...whent he fuck did the Doctor 'french kiss' anyone. he kissed Rose to save ehr life, he kissed River during their wedding and he kissed Astrid as a way of returning a favour to her as she died. every other time was someone kissing him. and 'he wouldn't say stop mucking about'. grow up. this isn't the 60s-80s anymore, if someone wants him to talk in BBC english then fine, but doesn't HAVE to, and again Davison-Mcgann don't in the audio stuff...
@227060 ...which started over 5 years BEFORE the new series. How in the fuck is the series now about revealing stuff about the doctor? I've watched it religiously since 2005, gone back to see older stuff ans well as spin off stuff and the seires is definitivly NOT about revealing new stuff about the Doctor...i mean at all. its about alot of things but that ain't 1 of them. Andrew Cartmell was gonna bloody do that and in spades too. no literally WHAT new info...
@227060 ...about the Doctor has been revealed in the new series, go om, give me examples. do you mean his history pre-time war. ok we've seen his crib and he said he used to be a dad. and the latter can't really be said to count since we knew that from day 1. we've learned new stuff about Time Lord physiology, but that can't be said to be explicitly about the Doctor. we learn that he ran from the untempered schism when he was 8 years old and visited the medusa cascade at age 100. thats it
@227060 I dont care if U think shouting is valid! I said those 3 do a lot of shouting! The TARDIS in nuhu works better than in DW, so don't make excuses for the mallet. There are countless examples of his wand doing stuff other than opening doors, havent U watched:ColdBlood,SilenceitLib,PartnersiCrime Smith&Jones, PandoricaOpens, just go read it's wiki entry. RTD didn't win the pitch - read about it. Audio stuff is crap. He kisses EVERY companion! the excuses R put there just so he kisses them.
@LegoDaleks You don't care. best.retort.ever. I don't care that you don't care. How in the hell does the TARDIS not work as well? he still winds up in places he doesn't intent to be alot fo the time, plus the console has changed cosniderably, this version clearly needs the mallet. Wehn i say examples, i don't mean list off the eps, give me specifics otherwise the hell am i meant to pick out specfic moments in 45+ mins? Er, RTD clearly did win the pitch bcos he was the 1 actually aking it...
@227060 ...again i reiterate, he actually kisses very few companions, they kiss him which can hardly be said to be his fault. the audio stuff is friggin brilliant and clearly balances the gap betweent he old and new series if you listen to it you can observe that it is like the classic series but is clearly wirtten for a modern audience albeit not a mass audience but rather the fans, eg there 3 cases where the Doctor gets invovled semi-romantically with individuals...
@227060 ....altho 2 of those aren't really serious and the other 1 can actually claim to have done the Doctor and companion in love thing a few years before the new series. so you see the series was always moving with the times in this direction
@WorldVideophone I meant the Audio DW adventures are crap - They are too much like fanfics & aren't much like Doctor Who (63-89).
Have you listened to Jubilee? It's like it was written by a ten year old who doesn't know anything about the Daleks. And then Nu-hu copied that story in its 1st season called: 'suicidal emo-Dalek'.
@someone332 All those characters are caricatures, just really extreme like an American show. Midnight is better than other nu-hu but it's still far from being Doctor Who.
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Yetaxa 1 month ago
Omg lol. Who are the idiots who have to take up 9 pages arguing? get over yourselves, srsly
M1M1M1nty 1 month ago
My stomach hurts from laughing so much :L
Aww the not so great times of doctor who are always the best
kingdomyugi 4 months ago
"look!"
CYBERDOODY 7 months ago
"Time for German chop-suey! Hi-yahh!"
harrietamidala1691 8 months ago
There is a scene in Warriors of the Deep that is a far more accurate depiction of human nature than anything in the new series where we just keep hearing Tennent applauding the human race for everything it's done.
LegoDaleks 1 year ago
@LegoDaleks "There should've been another way" indeed.
Saisinkolimonadin 11 months ago
@LegoDaleks Midnight.
someone332 5 months ago
@someone332 All those characters are caricatures, just really extreme like an American show. Midnight is better than other nu-hu but it's still far from being Doctor Who.
LegoDaleks 5 months ago
@LegoDaleks Bull. 2005+ Dr Who is truly doctor who
227060 4 months ago
@227060 Fail. What Dr. Who truly is was established decades before 2005. Fact.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks yes indeed it was in 1963. and the 2005 series continued it
227060 4 months ago
@227060 It didn't continue it since ReTarD changed so much about the show, like the Dr. can now control the TARDIS perfectly but the he keeps landing in the same place in the same time & acts surprised when he lands in Pompeii. ReTarD also has him quote modern TV shows instead if literature like he used to. ReTarD clearly establishes a difference between the 2 e.g. The Dr always regenerates in the same stupid way. Nu-hu is more like a cheap imitation of DW - a cartoon that should come on CBBC.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks spiritually its the same show. stylistically its a show for modern times, however the show was always that as far as its budget allowed reflecting issues and styles of the day. however the difference between tv from the 60s, 70s and 80s while significant, is not nearly as staggering as the difference between tv thsoe eras to tv of today. hence the uncomfortable shift. however. if you look at spin off material from between 1989 and 2005...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ....while physical continuity such as the existence of certain companions can be debated, stylistically there is a very clear continuity running through it. whatsmore the hell is wrong with quoting tv, not that he doesn't quote literature as well eg he quotes Shakespeare, Dickens, Christie and Rowling frequently. He cannot control the TARDIS perfectly at all, he perhaps a somewhat greater control than in previous years eg he can materialise...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 from the cabinet war rooms onto a Dalek ship in the exact same time period, but it is very tricky for him. whatsmore in your specific example he was surprised to end up in Pompeii because he was aiming for Rome. While creativly interesting it is actually makes less sense for a regeneration, a natural process, to occur differently almost each time. if its the same that makes more biological sense. And OF COURSE it should be on CBBC...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...because the under 8 year olds are really gonna appreciate the moral diemma of having to accept your death to save someone or a group of people, knowing your self worth, not defining your life through another and being your own person, facing the consequences of a care-free existence, of the dangers of being controlled by the media
227060 4 months ago
@227060 Modern British TV in general has been dumbed down, so DW should B as well? He can't quote TV shows unless he has a TV which only shows UK programmes between 2005-2007. Like Balamory. The REAL DW has continuity in his death scenes - he's usually lying down, cuz he's dying, unlike in bu-hu, where he just cries & regenerates. A cartoon with sexual undercurrents shouldn't be on any channel. Tracy Beaker is more grown-up than nu-hu. REAL Who is more grown up & under 8s used to watch it.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks he specifically says in the 2005 episode Aliens of London that the TARDIS can receive tv transmissions and there was an unsepcified period of time during which he lived with the Tyler houshold after his regenration whcih consequently meant he likely picked some stuff up early on, or more accurately he lived in the TARDIS which had landed on thier estate. whatsmore DW hasn't been dumbed down altho with reality tv ALL tv has been dumbed down generally...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...whatsmore why the fuck does he have to be lying down...i mean at all, it all depends on the specifc circumstances. we never sww Troughton regenerate while lyiung down. and Eccelston wasn't crying. furhtermore Tennant only cried but theres nothing wrong with that, he'd grown very attached specifically to that regeneration and didn't WANT to die and regenerate.. how is it a cartoon at all? and sexual udnercurrents? again, modern UK tv...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...whats more, on a somewhat unrelated topic "A cartoon with sexual undercurrents shouldn't be on any channel" where the hell have you been, have you seen the Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, American Dad, South park, the Cleaveland Show, many many animes, ANY of the DC comics animated Universe tv shows? they ALL to different degrees can contain sexual undercurrents. in fact while the 80s character of Ace had more...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ....sexual/romantic undercurrents than previous DW companions (Susan and arguably Ian and Barbera are amongst a few exceptions) once the show went off air in the 90s and began producing spin-off media they positivly cut loose. in fact on TARDIS wikia there is a whole page dedicated tot he subject of sex in the Doctor Who universe and the vast majority of it is infact present in this spin off media than in any of the TV shows....
227060 4 months ago
@227060 I've seen Tracey Beaker, it used to fgollowed by the Sarah jane Adventures. the latter was more gorwn up than the former and SJA is undeniably less adult orientated than its parent show, but it was and still is brilliant (god bless Lis Sladen). I've seen plenty of old Doctor Who and like the new series some stories are more adult than others but it retains that variety. whatsmore while under 8s were indeed watching it, they weren't much in the 80s were they, the age grp is usually 8-40s
227060 4 months ago
@227060 U can talk a lot of crap. Family Guy isn't a family show - R U sick? U said modern uk shows are dumber & U said DW is like modern TV shows - logically that means that nu-hu is dumber. It isn't in keeping to the Dr. character having him watch TV. Amy offers herself to the Dr. - U can't say that kind of stuff happened in the olden days, the BBC was cautious back then. If you are dying & then die, it makes more sense to be lying down. 2nd Dr. didn't die. SJA is more childish than TrBeaker.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks er, im sorry, where the hell did you say family show, you just said "A cartoon with sexual undercurrents shouldn't be on any channel". I said 'generally' but then said specifcally DW hasn't been dumbed down. The Doctor likes to travel, has a strong sense of moral justice, is mysterious and doesn't murder. that is his character. beyond that anything else goes really and each incarnation has different likes and dislikes. whatsmore where did he specifically dislike tv?...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...no that stuff didn't happen in the old days, but equally in the 1960s you didn't have the Doctor roaming around specifically at times seeking out to undo intergalatic villainy like in the 1980s. the show was always chanigng and the Amy thing is an example of a style change inkeeping with modern TV which is liberal about that stuff, in fact it was arguably too strict back then eg the fifth Doctor wasn't usually allowed to even platonically touch any of his companions except Adric...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ....thsi was i suppose out of some fear that through simply touching them it'd allude to romance or something, which basically means on the flipside he made the Doctor look to the same stupid eyes who would've come to that conclusion had the Doctor touched the female companions as tho there was something going on btwn him and Adric. of course there wasn't but the strictness can screw themselves over. this loosened up further eg Ace...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...the hell is SJA more childish than Beaker which while i have nothing really against it, literally cuts to cartoons segments of the imagination. whatsmore regeneration isn't specifcally dying, it is a dying of a persona, the body itself is renewing itself, it activates when dying OR critically indured. if you die you are dead, eg Impossible Astronaught. ppl who have terminal cancer are dying but some of them can stand and so in the 9 and 10's cases despite dying they could stand
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...and as another note to Amy offering herself to the Doctor, in the 1990s novels the Doctor's companion Bernice Summerfield also offers herself to the Doctor and he actually accepts too. so you see the series was always moving into this directions. stuff like thats even alludded to in the even less adult Big finish plays. it only seems like a huge jump bcos stylisitcally the developments have happened in non-tv media hence btwn 89 and 05 it looks like a bigger jump than it actually is
227060 4 months ago
@227060 I think it's pretty much clear to any1 that the original Dr.'s R one way & the nu ones are another way. Just look at the first 9 Doctors - It's clear that Eccleston is the odd one out. In the original series the Dr.'s personality did change, in nu-hu that doesn't happen. All the nu ones have the same personality & the "writers" make no effort to change his dialogue. E.g.Victory is not written specifically for Matt, all the things he says & does R just like Tennant which R like Eccleston.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks once more have you actually watched the new series. 9, 10 and 11's personalities despite having some degreee of crossover are extremly different. and for gods sake you cannot compare the doctors and say personalitywise that 1 of them is the odd 1 out, the entire point is that they are different from 1 another. its like...ok, this is a weird analogy but lsiten. its like your fingers, they are all different sizes so there cannot be an odd 1 out but they are all part of the same hand...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ....whatsmore Victory has dialogue which is nothing like what Tennant would say really and while i agree as far as Smith's dialogue in Series 5 goes it is the weakest bear in mind it was early days for him and for the writers of the eleventh doctor. there is an 11th Doctor novel which was written beforeseries 5 and its clearly meant to be Tennant bcos they had no idea what Smith's doctor would be like. ontop of that Eccelston and Tennant are miles apart
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...Tennant's dialogue cotnained larger speechs required to be spoken at quick fire speed, with lots of misdirection and tangents, Eccelston's dialogue was simpler, slower more to the point. neither is better or worse, just different. I mean Troughton didn't talk or have apersonality like Hartnell's, Pertwee's personality wasn't much like Davison's, McGann's personality isn't anything like Colin Baker's. there is some degree of crossover eg 5+10 r young and energetic 2+7 a manipulators
227060 4 months ago
@227060 Even though the originals were different they had similarities for continuity, but Eccleston is not like the others. The actors in nu-hu act somewhat differently but their personalities R the same. Eccleston&Tennant would definitely bash a Dalek about while SHOUTING:"I am the Dr. & U R the Daleks" In the originals every Dr. was almost the opposite (personality) to his predecessor. U actually think RTD made a different Dr for 10 after 9 unexpectantly left? All nu ones shout for no reason.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks yeah theydid have similarities for continuity. like a strong moral compass love of travelling, a desire to travel with someone, oh wait thats what the new ones have too. Time Lord personalities are emant to be different in each incarnation and ontop of everthing else, you forget its not like nothing has happened betwwen the movie and 2005. the 8th doctor has had all of his adventures and fought in afriggin war. and you wonder how...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...even on a fundamental level he has somewhat changed. characters, even the Doctor grow and change. i've already cited how mccoy and colin baker activly sought out evil unlike their predecessors who were either given missions or soughted out problems when they arose. you say Eccelston and Tennant would bash a dalek...but did they? no. the mere absence of them doing that proves that they wouldn't do that. given they each faced Daleks at least twice...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...on top of that Eccelston's doctor, while admitedly not where the Daleks are concerned, genrally took a more passive approuch than the more pro-active Tennant or Smith. in most of his stories he either encourages/inspires someone else to save the day or allowes events to run their course eg he watched Cassandra die and allowed it to happen, he didn't do anything to help her, but nor did he do anything directly to kill her he just teleported her there...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...equally Ecceslton and Smith are opposite to Tennant. Eccelston had survivors guilt and was damged inside and while this did crop up with Tennant at times it was hardly his default like with Eccelston and with Smith he has left even more of that survivors guilt behind him (altho it evidently is still there as there is an abundence of evidence to suggest he doesn't like himself all that much). Eccelston's age slower steady approuch to stuff...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...was tempered by Tennant's youth and faster higher energy approuch. whatsmore Eccelston is a character trying to reconnect with life whereas Tennant, as part of his character development, HAS conencted with life and is enjoying it, he revels in humanity and his own more humanistic side, whereas Smith while also enjoying life and suportive of humans is much less human and more awkard. this is the different incarnations spilling in...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...they shout when theres trouble or when they are excited and Eccelston didn't shout much compared to Tennant and smith too shouts less so no they don't all shout. on top of that there is SO much information clearly laying out that RTD wrote series 1 KNOWING Eccelston was leaving and it becomes so clear when you watch it back, he is trying to reconnect with humanity, to come back to life and in the end he is literally reborn as a new man who does just that
227060 4 months ago
@227060 Do U even believe Ur own arguments? Of course the other 2 Dr.'s would behave the same as Smith in Victory. They do a lot of shouting, bashing with a huge mallet and repeatedly saying I am the Dr. in an unconvincing way. Shout, shout, bash, bash, magic wand, magic wand, I am the Dr., I am the Dr. over & over again. All 3 of them are like that. Of course nothing happened between the movie & 2005 otherwise it would've been revealed just like everything else. The Dr. isn't an enigma anymore.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks You bet your ass i believe my own arguments. when the fuck do 9 or 10 bash a dalek with anything, in fact when do 9 or 10 bash anything, except inanimate stuff out of frustration (i don't 9 ever did this actually). whats more again, 9 met daleks twice, 10 met em 3 times. of those 5 times, never any mallet bashing. u are retarded now. no ok, that was rude, you haven't been paying any attention at all...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...have you been reading what i said, there were not only books, comics, and audio plays featuring the 7th doctor set between Survival and the movie and featuring the 8th dr set btwn the movie and Rose but in Rose and The End fo the world (literally the first 2 epsiodes) we discover there was a TIME WAR its mentioned like almost every story, for gods sake even if you dismiss the spin off stuff, to say NOTHING happened between the movie and 2005 is stupid...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...i mean the goddam writing is on the wall Ace is gone and the TARDIS interior is different int he movie so OBVIOUSLY something happened and then in 2005 the TARDIS has not only changed again but so has the Doctor, so obviously stuff has happened. and the doctor isn't an enigma anymore? fuck me youmust've bedn happy when the show ended in 89 and you didn't have to meet the doctor's family. for starters, we still dunno what his name is...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ..., we dunno WHY he conceals his name, we dunno how exactly he regeneratd, we dunno how he ended the time war or what specifically he did in it aside from a few hints and obviously we know he ended it, then there is the mystery of his crib, what precisly River Song has to do with him and how and why he reveals his name to her. also most of the doctor's mystique apart from his name and family was GONE with the War Games
227060 4 months ago
@227060 I said all 3 bash things with mallets (e.g the tardis) all 3 shout at the tops of their voices that they R the Dr. all 3 use their magic wand to cover plot holes. Only the supposed time war "happened". Of course none of the novel stuff counts. It didn't need to end in 89, but it didn't need to be brought back with ReTarD in charge. It's sooo obvious that the REAL Dr. would never french kiss anyone or say shit like: Stop mucking about. Nu-hu is all about revealing more about Dr.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks oh bashing the TARDIS with amallet...yeah they do....so? thats part of making the thing work when its christ knows how old and been through at least 2 wars and meant to be manned by 6 people on top of basically cobbling the thing together over the years. altho Smith has yet to use a TARDIS mallet. again Eccelston rarely shouted that he is the Doctor and when Tennant and Smith did it it was a perfectly valid intimidatory tactic....
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...if by magic wand you mean sonic screwdriver what plot holes do they solve with the sonic. no, actually give me examples beyond open locked doors. the novel stuff is ambiguously canonical which means its perfectly valid so long as the tv show doesn't outright contradict things. Wikipedia and TARDIS wiki ALL state that its relation is unknown, not definitvly canonical or non-canonical. of course it didn't need to end 1989 but RTD won the pitch fair and square...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...whent he fuck did the Doctor 'french kiss' anyone. he kissed Rose to save ehr life, he kissed River during their wedding and he kissed Astrid as a way of returning a favour to her as she died. every other time was someone kissing him. and 'he wouldn't say stop mucking about'. grow up. this isn't the 60s-80s anymore, if someone wants him to talk in BBC english then fine, but doesn't HAVE to, and again Davison-Mcgann don't in the audio stuff...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...which started over 5 years BEFORE the new series. How in the fuck is the series now about revealing stuff about the doctor? I've watched it religiously since 2005, gone back to see older stuff ans well as spin off stuff and the seires is definitivly NOT about revealing new stuff about the Doctor...i mean at all. its about alot of things but that ain't 1 of them. Andrew Cartmell was gonna bloody do that and in spades too. no literally WHAT new info...
227060 4 months ago
@227060 ...about the Doctor has been revealed in the new series, go om, give me examples. do you mean his history pre-time war. ok we've seen his crib and he said he used to be a dad. and the latter can't really be said to count since we knew that from day 1. we've learned new stuff about Time Lord physiology, but that can't be said to be explicitly about the Doctor. we learn that he ran from the untempered schism when he was 8 years old and visited the medusa cascade at age 100. thats it
227060 4 months ago
@227060 I dont care if U think shouting is valid! I said those 3 do a lot of shouting! The TARDIS in nuhu works better than in DW, so don't make excuses for the mallet. There are countless examples of his wand doing stuff other than opening doors, havent U watched:ColdBlood,SilenceitLib,PartnersiCrime Smith&Jones, PandoricaOpens, just go read it's wiki entry. RTD didn't win the pitch - read about it. Audio stuff is crap. He kisses EVERY companion! the excuses R put there just so he kisses them.
LegoDaleks 4 months ago
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@LegoDaleks You don't care. best.retort.ever. I don't care that you don't care. How in the hell does the TARDIS not work as well? he still winds up in places he doesn't intent to be alot fo the time, plus the console has changed cosniderably, this version clearly needs the mallet. Wehn i say examples, i don't mean list off the eps, give me specifics otherwise the hell am i meant to pick out specfic moments in 45+ mins? Er, RTD clearly did win the pitch bcos he was the 1 actually aking it...
227060 4 months ago
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@227060 ...again i reiterate, he actually kisses very few companions, they kiss him which can hardly be said to be his fault. the audio stuff is friggin brilliant and clearly balances the gap betweent he old and new series if you listen to it you can observe that it is like the classic series but is clearly wirtten for a modern audience albeit not a mass audience but rather the fans, eg there 3 cases where the Doctor gets invovled semi-romantically with individuals...
227060 4 months ago
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@227060 ....altho 2 of those aren't really serious and the other 1 can actually claim to have done the Doctor and companion in love thing a few years before the new series. so you see the series was always moving with the times in this direction
227060 4 months ago
@LegoDaleks You lost me at 'Audio stuff is crap'. The rest of your scribblings can't be worth reading.
WorldVideophone 1 month ago
@WorldVideophone I meant the Audio DW adventures are crap - They are too much like fanfics & aren't much like Doctor Who (63-89).
Have you listened to Jubilee? It's like it was written by a ten year old who doesn't know anything about the Daleks. And then Nu-hu copied that story in its 1st season called: 'suicidal emo-Dalek'.
And most of the "scribbling" was done by 227060.
LegoDaleks 1 month ago
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@someone332 All those characters are caricatures, just really extreme like an American show. Midnight is better than other nu-hu but it's still far from being Doctor Who.
LegoDaleks 5 months ago