CAN IT BE DECIEVING? MUSLIMS IN AMERICA? JESUS SAID(QUOTE) MATTHEW 24, TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECIEVE YOU, FOR MANY SHALL COME SAYING I AM CHRIST AND DECIEVE YOU? WELL, I COME TO AN CONCLUSION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO KNOW A MUSLIM CHRISTIAN THATS FOR JESUS CHRIST BY THE FRIUT HE BARES.'
@Justtubed I'M JUST SAYING, I'M NOT RACISM, I BELEIVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD, NOW IF A MUSLIM PERSON BELEIVES THIS AND WORSHIPS JESUS WITH ALL THERE FAITH. THEN THEY ARE TRULY SAVED. WHAT I MEAN BY THE FRUIT, IS HAVING LOVE, JOY , PEACE, LONGSUFFERING, PATIENCE, FAITH, KINDNESS, MEEKNESS WHICH IS GOD'S HOLYSPIRIT WITHIN US. GOD IS LOVE AND IF HIS SPIRIT IS IN US, THEN IT WILL MANIFEST IN OUR LIFE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RACE WE ARE"""""""
"The Koran preaches what seems like love at first and then you realize it's just hate for everything but islam"
that is your interpretation. many people feel the bible is filled with violent promoted scriptures too, but you don't see people stressing about christianity do you?
turn off your tv and maybe you won't be so afraid.
My advice to you is, get the koran and read then you can make your own opinion. You dont have listen to someone get to the source! ps: sorry 4 my spelling
@jag519 How is he a crazy radical Christian? Is he killing people who are non-Christian? He may be very devout and love his faith, but that is much different than harming other people.
@Ryanyarb24 Love is good. It is when you belong to a faith that is about love, and what you take from it is that you should hate other people (who God says to love) when I say you are a radical. Both Christianity and Islam are based on love, and what he took from both religions was to hate. This is not his fault though, as I said, it speaks for his experiences.
@jag519 You bet I am a radical. A radical defender of freedom from Sharia, the most anti-humanity creation ever. Plus you got it wrong Islam does NOT teach peace, you need to read the Qu'ran.
there's good and bad people in every religion, ethnicity, society, community, country, etc. people focus more on the bad that's associated with muslims because of 9/11 and assume that the entire religion is evil just because one group of insane extremists decided to do what they did. everybody is different and if somebody decides to justify criminal acts with their belief system, we shouldn't ignorantly judge the innocent ones who have similar beliefs or characteristics. that's my 2 cents :)
I think that there are people who are muslims and peaceful and there are people who are Muslims and violent . Some of them use religion to justified their acts . But I don't think we should see people as Muslims or Catholics or Jews . See them as people .
I'm doing a response to this video for my english assignment: a journal of entries, anylysing dfifferent texts that relate to the novel The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini. I found it so insightful. Thankyou so much for posting it.
You were too conciliatory. Dr. Daniel Shayesteh's words and actions are despicable, ignorant, and inflammatory for all the wrong reasons. He should be ashamed.
Well you can't deny that the extremes of all religions exist somewhere. The Christians in the Crusades were like how we see 'bad' Muslims today; bloodthirsty power-mongering martyrs. You can view the modern day hatred in Islam as homeostasis for that ancient debacle. Also, I don't think when he said that Islam is not a peaceful religion he was referencing only what it says in the Koran, and not the Islamic people themselves. Sometimes holy books have corruptions put in them, like violence/hate.
@LegoSaur37 But the difference is is that, Christians were like that in 11th Century, not in the 21st Century. Plus, Christianity has undergone and extensive, exhaustive reformation, Islam has not.
@Ryanyarb24 There are plenty of bad Christians. The KKK is Christian, Westboro Baptist Church is Christian, and alot of little bands of racists are Christian. Bad people in twisted forms of religion will always exist, but I get your point. I suppose there are generally more bad islamics and they are doing things on a larger scale.
I'll keep this brief: I've only met one aggressive Muslim and have met several hundred, worked alongside dozens and personally hired four... the aggressive one was not aggressive because he was Muslim. He was aggressive because his personality, his parents' reinforcement of this or that, his environment, his stressors, and all the things that make Westboro kooks aggressive came together to make him aggressive. He could be likened to WBC by every Muslim AND IT WOULD BE EQUALLY FAIR (=not at all).
@Justtubed Countries that would be called Arab include most North African countries and countries in southwest Asia as far east as Iraq. Iran and other countries, cultures and tribes further east are completely distinct groups of people from each other and from Arabs. Iranians are Iranians. Kurds are Kurds. Afghans are another completely group and I personally think cultural differences and ethnic intolerance are greater source of conflict among these groups than Islam itself is.
it sounds to me as if this guy is an extremist with a one tract mind. in every religion, or anything really, there are extremists. I believe he means well like you said.. but really, you can't stereotype a whole group of individuals like that without at least acknowledging the good in the group.
Also, I'm sure Christianity, like Islam, preaches tolerance and understanding of people of other faiths, so I can see why you were uncomfortable. I'm glad that you were at least a little skeptical. I probably would've been picketing outside if I was there - not because he's a converted Christian, but b/c he's painting a negative and false picture of Islam to people that don't know any better. There's already so much misunderstanding/propoganda that it's vital to inform when ppl like that show up
I completely agree with @evmoneyTV and your point as well, Justin. What makes me sad is when he says outright things like "Muslims don't know the Quran" and "Islam isn't peace, it's hate." It seems to me that he was only exposed to a very very small minority sect of Islam that teaches hate and uses the Quran as an excuse to do so. He doesn't understand the Quran, and he doesn't understand its message, which is clear if you've read it with an *open mind* and in context. IMO he's just spreading h8
-Yes, but just like EVERYONE ELSE, you have to be careful who you become close to.
--(I'm a Christian btw)
-I LOVE the fact that he is a Christian now, but I see your point. I wish he would've said SOMETHING saying that not ALL muslims are "horrible", like he said.
Last summer I spent a month in the Middle East, in the country of Jordan. So, I can speak from that experience. He definitely is in the wrong for not saying that most Muslims in the world are peaceful. The Muslim extremists are the equivalent of the KKK to Christianity. Very small sects that make it look bad for the rest. Actually, what day are you most likely revisiting this? I can see if I can throw together a video response. Sorry I saw this video so late.
@Book5204 I think I'll likely revisit this by friday. I will likely make the video Thursday. If you can get it video responses tomorrow or wednesday, you'll be good.
Dude dyu have issues or something how dare you think that we are a non-peaceful religon i have been studying Islam my whole life and i have been taught that we are all human beings we should not be treated differently, only 1 group of people who are extremists islams that they kill non-muslims, i have been taught in islam lesson that those people are going to hell because they are killing innocent people that guy who came to your church is the one who joined that bad muslim group we are peaceful
@modyrafiq24 if you are saying that I am the one saying these things, you have misinterpreted my video. Dr. Daniel Shayestah was the one. Please rewatch this video and you will understand that I'm defending your religion.
Ha I never heard about any Hazep Allah in Iran. I think giving this verse will answer you question 5:69 Surely, those who believe and all that was revealed to him from god, and those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, whosoever believed in god and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. this is just one from many. please if you every saw him again ask him for me if as what he said why until now there is bars in some area of Iran
Hmm, this is tricky because what he's saying cannot be said for all Muslims. Just like what Christians posit isn't true for all Christians. I think that Muslims can be peaceful, and I'm pretty sure that I've read about people who practice that religion who say that it's a peaceful one and have indeed read the Quran. I think it's sad that he wants to say that all Muslims are destructive people because logically, that cannot be the case.
Well said, it is important that we take issues like rioting, murder and anti western muslims seriously, but to never forget that those people are not a representative of all muslims. We also need to understand the quran, what it says, and make sure that those muslims who wish to control us know that we do not follow thier religious rules, and have no obligation to. Things like quran burning etc, are dick moves, but people are within thier rights to do so, and i will fight for that right.
@bassmanco Don't get me wrong. I support anyone's right to burn any book, even if I don't agree with it. I just don't think it's a message to Muslim in the world, I think it's a message to those in American. It's not done to prove a point. It's done to disrespect a religion.
@Justtubed Yeah, i agree. But it is thier right. If thats why they do it, i will call them an asshole as i defend thier right to do it. Assuming its thier book of course. :{P Free speech is great fun
I agree with you. I'm currently taking a world religions class and we are learning about Islam at the moment and contrary to popular belief not all Muslims are hateful. You can't let a minority ruin it for a majority. You can't just let this one person's view of something sway your own view of the same thing. It doesn't really matter which religion you believe in, you will always find someone or a group of people that are preaching something different than what that religion is about.
@LadyJessika1 It was just frustrating because most people's views will be formed by this guy's sermon. It's the only interaction with a Muslim that they'll have.
I mean, I think you said this very, very well, Justin. And I can't believe that Shayesteh actually said all those things because the spread of fear of Islam really needs to STOP.
@LizzieRadio and that's the reason I made this video. To have this discussion, to see where my friends and subscribers stand, and to maybe change some minds. I can't believe he said those things either.
Hrm ... very interesting ... I mean, the Koran can be interpreted in a number of ways, just like the Bible ... and yes, I do believe there are plenty of peaceful Muslims, but only the extremists get the main spotlight.
@crimsong19 and they get the spotlight because of how loud and vocal they are. Between a muslim praying and one blowing up a building, I know which one I'd want to hear about. It's more flashy.
I was born in Australia, but when I was 12 my family moved to Brunei Darussalam, an Islamic Sultanate, so that my mother could teach English to local students there. I went to an international school, I was friends with quite a few Muslims. For the three years I lived there, not once was I on the receiving end of any vitriol for being an "infidel" or a "Westerner". I believe that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of people in general, are peaceful, and don't want to wage war on anyone.
I have a some friends who are Muslim and they are some of the nicest, and most peaceful people I have ever met. Every religion has it's extremism, cause there are some Christian branches that teach hate against others. So to blanket an entire community based on one small group just isn't fair. I feel bad for that man who was thrown into the middle of that. If he was a true Christian though, I'm sorry, but he wouldn't be spreading hate like that... :-/
-wrong to force something as huge as religion onto him at such an impressionable age. So part of me is saying I find not just Islam but religion in general kind of wrong if not approched in the right way. However, seeing as my mother's side of the family are all muslim I know for a fact that the majority of muslims are just completely piecefull loving people. So I stand in a middle ground about how I feel toward this issue.
@ICOEPRproductions It also bothers me with young people. On one hand, I want to raise my child with my ideals. On the other, I don't want to force him or her to worship the same way I do. I want that child to make his own decisions.
I stand in an awkward place on this topic. You see, I myself am Athiest but am VERY respectful of religion. I was however as a child brought up as a Muslim by my mother. Now, part of the reason why I started to become athiest is that I disagreed with a lot of the practices that Islam carries out. I felt that often young children were completely brain washed by having religion forced onto them (for example my cousin was made to learn the entire Korran by the age of 11). I just felt it was-
@ICOEPRproductions well, i dont mean to be disrespectfull but alot of muslims dont know alot of things about islam b/c they werent taught it as a child as much, also i dont think that anywhere in the quran, not korran, (by knowing u say korran ik that you were taught different than me) it doesnt say that your child HAS to memorize the whole quran, however it is EXTREMLY GOOD and is encouraged, it isnt manditory, what your parents did by forcing him wasnt the best approach, but it was good 4 him
@ICOEPRproductions as im sure that you know someone who has memorized the quran has earned a high rank as a muslim in gods eyes and i believe is able to take other people (11 from your family ?) with him to heaven if he stays a hafez (one who memorizes the whole quran) also he can get to higher ranks such as alim, and mufti, (there are very few true ones left) and even a kalipha which there are none, and some conspiracies say are being hunted down, so his parents werent wrong in what they did bu
@annonroi Well you now come to the problem of belief in God and whether memorising a Korran/Quran (both usable terms) is a good thing. If you believe in it then yes, I can see why you would think it was a good thing. Equally, I'm sure you can see that from my eyes (an athiest) I would see no benefit in memorising it. The discussion now shifts to the actual belief in God which is not one I fancy getting into over the internet as it is far too big a topic to have without it turning into a-
@annonroi - flame war (specially if others get involved). I myself am just yet to see an argumenet that truely counters POE. But yeh, I still respect your views, I just disagree due to my non belief in God
if by problem of evil, u mean why their is evil in the world. part of the reason is to test peoples faith, punish them, and (what i think) to keep balence in the world, and keep their from being too many people alive
@annonroi Im saying I'm worried it might become one if other people get invloved. I just don't believe an opnipotent and omnibenevilant God would devise a test which is predominantly decided upon by birth place. Also his oniscience would cause the test to be irrelivant as he would know all outcomes an eternity before those passing or failing them were ever conceived. I really don't want this to become a discussion about whether God exsists or not as this was not what Justin aimed to discuss.
@ICOEPRproductions well i dont understand how the test would be decided upon birth place,
however for the question of why we were made and put on earth if he knows all, im not sure about myself, and i believe somewhere in the quran that is one of the questions humans cannot know, either that or it was to be able to show us why we went to hell or heaven especially since everyones lives will be shown to everyone i dont want this to become an arguement of god existence either, ive had 2 this week
@annonroi the reason I mentioned birth place is that religion is passed down through famalies. Algerians (generally) are brought up Muslim, Americans (in certain places) are generally brought up Christian. If a God were to think that being Christian (as appose to Muslim) were a failing of the test then it pretty much comes down to whatever you were brought up. I apprieciate that there are accpetions to this rule (people turning from one religion to another) but the majority of the time, that is-
@annonroi -how it happens. There is no real impirical evidence to show that we should follow one religion as appose to another and what real evidence is there to believe in something above one's self. Read up on Brook's Island analogy for furthur explaination. Through discussion, debate and doing A level Philosophy I made my decision. May I also ask you, are your parents/family muslim? Why follow Islam as appose to Christianity/Judaism/Buddism? And have you ever seriously considered-
@ICOEPRproductions well the thing is that islam is open to everyone in todays world and people are able to access the information. although yes i was raised muslim and my family is muslim there are still things they didnt spoon feed me, also religion isnt something you are born into, althought you maybe in a muslim family, that doesnt mean they are good muslims, or even that you are muslim, as for veiws of atheists i have thought about them as well as christianity and ive wondered on tht questi-
@ICOEPRproductions question of what if people were never exposed to the true islam? how are they expected to convert if they are raised as christians,
atheists i feel are different, and i think they arent right (no offence to you) but those reasons are somehting that would further extend this conversation which neighter of us want to do however i did appreciate hearing your veiws becuase peoples veiws always help me further understand things (:
@annonroi Yeh, I think its a good idea to keep an open mind and listen to both sides of the story with the view that you may actually change your views rather than for the sake of hearing them. But yeh, nice talking :)
@ICOEPRproductions See, now I think you are one of the best people to really have an opinion on this. You were raised in it, and even though you had a bad experience, you're still respecftul
Amen! Its sad what he has gone through, but this kind of thing happens all the time. People have bad experiences with something and then they equate that with the religion on the whole. Someone goes to a radical church where they teach fear and fire & brimstone and it turns them away from the loving and humble christian message and then in turn Christianity as a whole.
@EmBeeBe I can see that. On a lighter scale, I had a bad experience with a phone provider and I will never go back. That doesn't mean everyone's cell phone service would be bad with that company.
.. examples of Christians and Muslims working together in a future meeting, invite a Muslim speaker to talk on a topic of mutual interest, or even just give a disclaimer that every faith has different interpretations, and that there are plenty of tolerant, peaceful Muslims out there, just as there are plenty of hate-filled, dangerous 'christians'. I wish peaceful inter-faith discussion happened more often. People can have very different religious beliefs and still be friends and neighbours.
This was really thought-provoking. I think sometimes people's personal experiences of a religion can be so negative and emotional that it becomes difficult for them to see the issue subjectively, or to imagine that there are any other ways of practicing and experiencing the religion than what they have been through. Perhaps on these occasions others have to step in to help provide other points of view.Even if the church couldn't anticipate what was going to be said, perhaps they could promote..
@ghostwritten87 PErsonal experience is certainly something that can affect the way we view something. I had a horrible experience with a certain cell phone company, and I'll never go back. That doesn't mean EVERYONE's experience was bad.
@Justtubed Sorry it's taken me so long! I've been a bit anti-social lately. I'd like make a video response, but I'm a bit too close to the situation, it wouldn't be...prudent to discuss it in a video. Hopefully it will make more sense once we've talked about it, hah. Soon! Promise!
I agree that extremist on either side of any issue tend to cause harm. HOWEVER I do feel like they also help people address issues, raise conversation and awareness and cause people to be proactive about find more information on a topic and making their own decision. But I don't know if this equals the number of people who blindly follow them.
Most people hate what they fear. That man must be very afraid.
Of course you have Muslims who are 'evil', but you have 'evil' Christians as well. A religion doesn't make you an evil person (or not). It all depends on what kind of person you are.
@Justtubed It's because you approached the issue with sensitivity and understanding, not prejudice and bias. Also, it's because you're awesome and your viewers/subscribers love you.
The motto of my former global studies teacher, which has stuck with me to this day: the world is a little bit white here and a little bit black there... and everything else in between is gray.
The truth is always more satisfying than fiction, but it does require a certain sacrifice to break out of the cocoon. Islam can be a peaceful religion simply because there are people out there who can make it peaceful. It's not the religion, it is us.
Fanaticism clouds our judgement - it is a sign of spiritual and emotional insecurity, as it exchanges clarity for a sense of false purpose and comfort. Furthermore, I believe that religions are only ideas, and ideas are simply tools to achieve an outcome. As tools, it only has meaning by the way it is used. Islam or Christianity is what you make it to be. It is merely a focus. The human spirit is the power cell. As the past shows, religion can be instruments of both compassion and cruelty.
I understand that Dr. Shayesteh came from an extremist branch of Islam, and thus his views are shaped by his past experiences. It is not surprising that he is taking on and preaching these views now. I do not believe he has changed or grown as much as he claimed: he switched from fanaticism to more fanaticism. Instead of learning from his past and taking to heart the kindness he received, he stuck to ideological fanaticism.
On a lighter note, I think it would be a great opportunity for your channel to start mixing comedy and serious commentary... so long as there is balance ;)
Transit gradually would be my advice - most of us still come here primarily to watch frivolous activities and life-sabotaging clones XD
Ah... this sure is a momentous transition for Justtubed. Be warned, Justin; seriously videos commenting on sensitive and controversial issues can be a slippery slope, especially on YouTube. However, from this video, I think you already know how to correctly conduct these affairs. The key to anything like this is, of course, neutrality.
@Prothope I haven't done stuff like this in a long time. When the 365 project was happening there was opportunity for seriousness. I just think the channel needs a bit of a spice up.
Gotta say that dude disgusts me. While I don't doubt he was taught a lot of hate in his mosque, he can't just blanket statement all muslims. But it seems like you already know those :). Also, I would change the title from "Can Muslims Be Peaceful?" to "Can Radicalized Muslims Be Peaceful?". You are making some negative implications there.
@evmoneyTV He has to know that his statements are hurting others. He has to. I mean, the protesters are telling him. And the title is purposeful because of what the doctor said and to attract a few people to wonder why the heck is it title that way.
I would like to believe that religion wouldn't teach hate, but I've seen what the few can do to influence the whole. Granted I am not in a faith that promotes hate, rather love and forgiveness-yet I fail to see it bring people together at times.
islamic extremists, christian extremists.....I think the extreme views they give of unfortunate situations is bias and self centered. The people that take speakers at a place like this as fact are the problem as well. I gotta tell ya. I am a christian and I have had many more issues with "christians" then i have ever had with muslims. Faith and beliefs make things difficult.
Having studied in a city with quite a large Muslim population, I'd say this guy knows very little about Islam in the UK, so blah. :P There's a substantial amount of non-peaceful stuff in the Bible and there are violent, aggressive Christians. Does that mean Christianity is violent at its core?
What I'd say we have to be more wary of is false teachings within religions. That's what we need to be ready for, not the Islamic Boogy Man.
...to form that opinion and voice it, but it in no way reflects the choices or opinions of anyone else specifically. While I disagree with islamic law being recognised as a real legal system (religion and politics should never mix in my opinion), I have no problem with a muslim prime minister, and I wouldn't generalise an entire group based on one member's actions.
@WillsOdyssey I'm there with you, Will. Although I am a Christian, I don't want to see my faith be in control of the government. I like worshiping by choice and I want other people to experience the same thing.
I have to say that this is a kind of a non-issue to me, at least in relation to religion. No one needs a religion as an excuse to either be bad or good; they are just people. Can muslims be peaceful? Of course they can, because people can be peaceful, and they generally are. Dr. Shayesteh had a bad experience with muslim extremists, which would be the same as having a bad experience with christian extremists, and chose to generalise islam as a negative thing. That was his choice as a person...
@WillsOdyssey I like the way you think. It's not about the group, it's about the person. I'm not sure what it's like over there in the UK, but in American, there are a lot of people who think Muslims are out to get us. As someone with background in Islam, I think the doctor had a responsible to not incite that fear even more.
Salaams, it always seems the most ignorant amongst any religion is always the loudest and is taken as THE representation of that particular faith. Any faith can be taken as hardline and extreme and there are those that will. Not all Christians are represented by the Phelps clan, Waco, Pastor Jones, Jim Jones, Jimmy Swaggert, Pastor Paul on YouTube and elsewhere. Creating fear and hate is for the cowardly and greedy no matter what faith they espouse. Great vid.
As has been noted, this man's experience of Islam was through Hezbollah, which has an explicitly violent interpretation of their faith, and then he was involved in the process of creating an Islamic state which is now widely criticised by human rights groups. Of course he is going to have a negative image of Islam.
What I think is important in these discussions is not to 'other' people to the point they are unrecognisable, and to instead ask how our preconceptions affect our opinions. (2/2)
@streetlighthalos I realize he's been through such a horrible time with his terrorist group, I just think he has the responsibility to not spread more fear. He HAS to know how Americans react to this.
I definitely think this highlights a key problem in the way issues around Islam/Muslims/terrorism/'threats to freedom' are grouped together in the media, and as various other commentors have already said: what we see in processes like this is a tiny fraction of the reality of a widely practiced, widely interpreted, and overwhelmingly positive and peaceful religion.
Just like Christianity for example has wildly differing faces, from the Quakers to the KKK, so to do all religions. (1/2)
@streetlighthalos The media is a good example. Of course they're going to feature radical muslims actions because they're loud and more vocal. As a journalist myself, between a person praying and a person lighting houses on fire, I would do a story about the person lighting houses on fire.
If what you are quoting from him is accurate, I am absolutely appalled. Appalled and angry. That man is not a peaceful person and is spreading a message of hate, which is absolutely not what the world needs. There is a difference between wanting to bring about change for the better and smearing the name of a group. Thanks for posting this.
Also, I consider myself a Quaker-Buddhist Catholic Christian, just so you know my perspective. As weird as it sounds, I find peace in it.
@katinatreesee Unfortunately, it is accurate. I went back and listened to my recording of the sermon, and it was right. That is certainly an interesting title that you're calling yourself there. haha
In my history class, we're learning about racism. Our teacher said that people are naturally afraid of people who are different because we still have that survival-of-the-fittest mentality because evolution hasn't caught up with society. Therefore, people in America are afraid of Muslims because it's different from what they know and the fact that the media only highlights the actions of Muslim extremists. I think there is definitely a peaceful side to Islam that is ignored.
@llamaindisguise I think that's a good possibility. Humans have always been afraid of things they don't understand and can't figure out. It's just sad with how far we've come that there are still people who use that misunderstanding for negative ventures.
I really do disagree with Dr. Shayesteh's views. I have hosted a Muslim exchange student before and she was not mean or anything, she is probably the last person in this world I would ever suspect of being mean to another person. I think Islam is similar to any other religion, yes there is "hateful" language in the Qur'an but there is "hateful" language in most pieces of text in the major religions around the world. I am not opposed to religions though, I am a very devote christian myself
@firewindice17 I think there's also the point that one needs to look at the context of the hate. I'm sure Biblical and Islamic scholars can tell you why such hateful things were written, and I can guess that those things were not meant to be followed on a day to day basis.
@Justtubed Yes I think there is a lot of things that are not meant to be practiced today or even practiced. I am more liberal in my interpretation of the bible and so is my church and I was raised to understand the bible as more of a guide of morals than anything else and the stories being guides not as much factually based things to live by in day-to-day life
Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Christians are good. I'm happy for this man (whose name I can't spell) and the peace he's found for himself, and I would support his right to express his own opinions. However, it does seem like this man in still filled with a lot of hate that's just been redirected.
I feel that he had the right to say what he felt. Seeing as he went through that. However, I do believe that there are good Muslims out there. I don't necessarily agree with their beliefs, but that doesn't mean that they are out there to kill. But violence is never the answer to get your view across. You should not be preaching peace with violence.
@supersharayah I will always defend anyone's right to say what they want to say. That's our freedom. But I also think we should exercise responsibility in that freedom.
You. Are. Awesome. I agree with what you say. Western civilization is afraid of Muslims and the Islamic faith because the only facet of Islam they ever see is the small percentage of radicals. Islam is a beautiful religion, much like Christianity, and we need to realize that Muslims what peace just as much as we do, maybe more! DFTBA!
if you think about it. all the things the speaker said muslims do christians have done.of course this was the misguided ones like the Nazis or kkk (and others) but its still there. im a christian and proud of my faith but not of my fellow christians who use it as an exuse to hate and act violently
I want to make absolutly clear that there is a massive difference between hate and standing up your religion.
Eg. In the bible, the first of the 10 commandments is 'You shall have no other Gods before me.' I take that to mean, yes, idolatry is sinful, however this doesn't mean that people of other religions are evil people.
Our problem is that many Christians don't know how to convey this in a way that isn't offensive.
@hsgmlake absolutely agree with you. I think it is perfectly fine to stand up and say you are defending what you believe, but there's a fine line when you start telling people they're wrong.
It definitely sounds to me like that man is spreading fear and hate. I'm not a religious expert either, but whenever somebody makes blanket statements about large groups of people I begin to worry.
CAN IT BE DECIEVING? MUSLIMS IN AMERICA? JESUS SAID(QUOTE) MATTHEW 24, TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECIEVE YOU, FOR MANY SHALL COME SAYING I AM CHRIST AND DECIEVE YOU? WELL, I COME TO AN CONCLUSION, YOU WOULD HAVE TO KNOW A MUSLIM CHRISTIAN THATS FOR JESUS CHRIST BY THE FRIUT HE BARES.'
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@jesusman1able Are you sure you're reading the right translation? I think you're making this up.
Justtubed 2 days ago
@Justtubed I'M JUST SAYING, I'M NOT RACISM, I BELEIVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD, NOW IF A MUSLIM PERSON BELEIVES THIS AND WORSHIPS JESUS WITH ALL THERE FAITH. THEN THEY ARE TRULY SAVED. WHAT I MEAN BY THE FRUIT, IS HAVING LOVE, JOY , PEACE, LONGSUFFERING, PATIENCE, FAITH, KINDNESS, MEEKNESS WHICH IS GOD'S HOLYSPIRIT WITHIN US. GOD IS LOVE AND IF HIS SPIRIT IS IN US, THEN IT WILL MANIFEST IN OUR LIFE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT RACE WE ARE"""""""
jesusman1able 1 day ago
The Koran preaches what seems like love at first and then you realize it's just hate for everything but islam
backlash96chris 4 months ago
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@backlash96chris
"The Koran preaches what seems like love at first and then you realize it's just hate for everything but islam"
that is your interpretation. many people feel the bible is filled with violent promoted scriptures too, but you don't see people stressing about christianity do you?
turn off your tv and maybe you won't be so afraid.
sk8bow 3 months ago
@backlash96chris I highly doubt you read the Qu'aran it teaches nothing but peace, it takes a violent maniac to perceive that as hateful.
coltoneddy 2 months ago
My advice to you is, get the koran and read then you can make your own opinion. You dont have listen to someone get to the source! ps: sorry 4 my spelling
Sadiya931 6 months ago
he was a crazy radical muslim, and now he is a cray radical christian, it says more about him and his experiences than either of his faiths.
jag519 8 months ago
@jag519 How is he a crazy radical Christian? Is he killing people who are non-Christian? He may be very devout and love his faith, but that is much different than harming other people.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
@Ryanyarb24 Love is good. It is when you belong to a faith that is about love, and what you take from it is that you should hate other people (who God says to love) when I say you are a radical. Both Christianity and Islam are based on love, and what he took from both religions was to hate. This is not his fault though, as I said, it speaks for his experiences.
jag519 7 months ago
@jag519 You bet I am a radical. A radical defender of freedom from Sharia, the most anti-humanity creation ever. Plus you got it wrong Islam does NOT teach peace, you need to read the Qu'ran.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
there's good and bad people in every religion, ethnicity, society, community, country, etc. people focus more on the bad that's associated with muslims because of 9/11 and assume that the entire religion is evil just because one group of insane extremists decided to do what they did. everybody is different and if somebody decides to justify criminal acts with their belief system, we shouldn't ignorantly judge the innocent ones who have similar beliefs or characteristics. that's my 2 cents :)
musicismylovee14 8 months ago
I think that there are people who are muslims and peaceful and there are people who are Muslims and violent . Some of them use religion to justified their acts . But I don't think we should see people as Muslims or Catholics or Jews . See them as people .
S0bann 8 months ago
I'm doing a response to this video for my english assignment: a journal of entries, anylysing dfifferent texts that relate to the novel The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini. I found it so insightful. Thankyou so much for posting it.
caketyn 9 months ago
You were too conciliatory. Dr. Daniel Shayesteh's words and actions are despicable, ignorant, and inflammatory for all the wrong reasons. He should be ashamed.
DanRezler 10 months ago
@DanRezler I was trying to be civil where he was not.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Well you can't deny that the extremes of all religions exist somewhere. The Christians in the Crusades were like how we see 'bad' Muslims today; bloodthirsty power-mongering martyrs. You can view the modern day hatred in Islam as homeostasis for that ancient debacle. Also, I don't think when he said that Islam is not a peaceful religion he was referencing only what it says in the Koran, and not the Islamic people themselves. Sometimes holy books have corruptions put in them, like violence/hate.
LegoSaur37 10 months ago
@LegoSaur37 there's a lot of corruption everywhere. Did you get a chance to see the re re video?
Justtubed 10 months ago
@LegoSaur37 But the difference is is that, Christians were like that in 11th Century, not in the 21st Century. Plus, Christianity has undergone and extensive, exhaustive reformation, Islam has not.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
@Ryanyarb24 There are plenty of bad Christians. The KKK is Christian, Westboro Baptist Church is Christian, and alot of little bands of racists are Christian. Bad people in twisted forms of religion will always exist, but I get your point. I suppose there are generally more bad islamics and they are doing things on a larger scale.
LegoSaur37 7 months ago
@WhatAPettyCrime and I feel like any religion - my own included - should not be governing. It is a personal thing, not a society thing.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I'll keep this brief: I've only met one aggressive Muslim and have met several hundred, worked alongside dozens and personally hired four... the aggressive one was not aggressive because he was Muslim. He was aggressive because his personality, his parents' reinforcement of this or that, his environment, his stressors, and all the things that make Westboro kooks aggressive came together to make him aggressive. He could be likened to WBC by every Muslim AND IT WOULD BE EQUALLY FAIR (=not at all).
122172639 10 months ago
@122172639 It would totally be fair.thanks for sharing thhis.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Iranians aren't Arabs.
TheEpisteme 10 months ago
@TheEpisteme forgive my ignorance. Would you be kind enough to clarify?
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed Countries that would be called Arab include most North African countries and countries in southwest Asia as far east as Iraq. Iran and other countries, cultures and tribes further east are completely distinct groups of people from each other and from Arabs. Iranians are Iranians. Kurds are Kurds. Afghans are another completely group and I personally think cultural differences and ethnic intolerance are greater source of conflict among these groups than Islam itself is.
TheEpisteme 10 months ago
it sounds to me as if this guy is an extremist with a one tract mind. in every religion, or anything really, there are extremists. I believe he means well like you said.. but really, you can't stereotype a whole group of individuals like that without at least acknowledging the good in the group.
iSlay92 10 months ago
@iSlay92 especially if there are plenty of them in the community you're preaching in.
Justtubed 10 months ago
just subbed because of this video! loved it
Zadyar0 10 months ago
@Zadyar0 hey thanks for the sub thing.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I dunno my comments made any sense, but thanks for the video.
42muslimah 10 months ago
@42muslimah totally made sense! Thanks for sharing your opinions.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Also, I'm sure Christianity, like Islam, preaches tolerance and understanding of people of other faiths, so I can see why you were uncomfortable. I'm glad that you were at least a little skeptical. I probably would've been picketing outside if I was there - not because he's a converted Christian, but b/c he's painting a negative and false picture of Islam to people that don't know any better. There's already so much misunderstanding/propoganda that it's vital to inform when ppl like that show up
42muslimah 10 months ago
@42muslimah I don't normally picket, but I'd love to do it sometime.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I completely agree with @evmoneyTV and your point as well, Justin. What makes me sad is when he says outright things like "Muslims don't know the Quran" and "Islam isn't peace, it's hate." It seems to me that he was only exposed to a very very small minority sect of Islam that teaches hate and uses the Quran as an excuse to do so. He doesn't understand the Quran, and he doesn't understand its message, which is clear if you've read it with an *open mind* and in context. IMO he's just spreading h8
42muslimah 10 months ago
@42muslimah and I agree. Many people have been saying he switched from one form of hate to another. I am starting to agree.
Justtubed 10 months ago
-Yes, but just like EVERYONE ELSE, you have to be careful who you become close to.
--(I'm a Christian btw)
-I LOVE the fact that he is a Christian now, but I see your point. I wish he would've said SOMETHING saying that not ALL muslims are "horrible", like he said.
*hug* <3
iLeaveYouWithHugs 10 months ago
@iLeaveYouWithHugs yeah, his testimony was inspirational, but I am uncomfortable having him on "my team." if you get what I mean.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed Yea, I get what you mean
iLeaveYouWithHugs 10 months ago
Search for "Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations Saudi Arabia" on YouTube. It will open your eyes like it opened mine, I think. Great, great show.
Prothope 10 months ago
@Prothope when I have some free time, I shall
Justtubed 10 months ago
Last summer I spent a month in the Middle East, in the country of Jordan. So, I can speak from that experience. He definitely is in the wrong for not saying that most Muslims in the world are peaceful. The Muslim extremists are the equivalent of the KKK to Christianity. Very small sects that make it look bad for the rest. Actually, what day are you most likely revisiting this? I can see if I can throw together a video response. Sorry I saw this video so late.
Book5204 10 months ago
@Book5204 I think I'll likely revisit this by friday. I will likely make the video Thursday. If you can get it video responses tomorrow or wednesday, you'll be good.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed Well shoot, I'm not going to have my camera back in time, it's out on loan right now. I'll catch ya next time.
Book5204 10 months ago
Dude dyu have issues or something how dare you think that we are a non-peaceful religon i have been studying Islam my whole life and i have been taught that we are all human beings we should not be treated differently, only 1 group of people who are extremists islams that they kill non-muslims, i have been taught in islam lesson that those people are going to hell because they are killing innocent people that guy who came to your church is the one who joined that bad muslim group we are peaceful
modyrafiq24 10 months ago
@modyrafiq24 if you are saying that I am the one saying these things, you have misinterpreted my video. Dr. Daniel Shayestah was the one. Please rewatch this video and you will understand that I'm defending your religion.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Ha I never heard about any Hazep Allah in Iran. I think giving this verse will answer you question 5:69 Surely, those who believe and all that was revealed to him from god, and those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, whosoever believed in god and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. this is just one from many. please if you every saw him again ask him for me if as what he said why until now there is bars in some area of Iran
hms1405 10 months ago
@hms1405 he is from Australia, but if I ever see him again, I'll try to ask him
Justtubed 10 months ago
Hmm, this is tricky because what he's saying cannot be said for all Muslims. Just like what Christians posit isn't true for all Christians. I think that Muslims can be peaceful, and I'm pretty sure that I've read about people who practice that religion who say that it's a peaceful one and have indeed read the Quran. I think it's sad that he wants to say that all Muslims are destructive people because logically, that cannot be the case.
emmfan09 10 months ago
@emmfan09 totally agree. I don't think there is a such thing as "100 percent of a group is this." Unless the group is one.
Justtubed 10 months ago
This video was incredibly well-done : )
cateematthews 10 months ago
@cateematthews thank you very much. and I watched your video response to Cody. Very well done too.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Well said, it is important that we take issues like rioting, murder and anti western muslims seriously, but to never forget that those people are not a representative of all muslims. We also need to understand the quran, what it says, and make sure that those muslims who wish to control us know that we do not follow thier religious rules, and have no obligation to. Things like quran burning etc, are dick moves, but people are within thier rights to do so, and i will fight for that right.
bassmanco 10 months ago
@bassmanco Don't get me wrong. I support anyone's right to burn any book, even if I don't agree with it. I just don't think it's a message to Muslim in the world, I think it's a message to those in American. It's not done to prove a point. It's done to disrespect a religion.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed Yeah, i agree. But it is thier right. If thats why they do it, i will call them an asshole as i defend thier right to do it. Assuming its thier book of course. :{P Free speech is great fun
bassmanco 10 months ago
I agree with you. I'm currently taking a world religions class and we are learning about Islam at the moment and contrary to popular belief not all Muslims are hateful. You can't let a minority ruin it for a majority. You can't just let this one person's view of something sway your own view of the same thing. It doesn't really matter which religion you believe in, you will always find someone or a group of people that are preaching something different than what that religion is about.
LadyJessika1 10 months ago
@LadyJessika1 It was just frustrating because most people's views will be formed by this guy's sermon. It's the only interaction with a Muslim that they'll have.
Justtubed 10 months ago
honestly i think this guy was seriously in a horrible community full of retards, or he was payed to spread this shit around
annonroi 10 months ago
@annonroi It crossed my mind slightly that maybe he was a fraud, but it's such a big thing to accuse him of. I don't know.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I mean, I think you said this very, very well, Justin. And I can't believe that Shayesteh actually said all those things because the spread of fear of Islam really needs to STOP.
LizzieRadio 10 months ago
@LizzieRadio and that's the reason I made this video. To have this discussion, to see where my friends and subscribers stand, and to maybe change some minds. I can't believe he said those things either.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Hrm ... very interesting ... I mean, the Koran can be interpreted in a number of ways, just like the Bible ... and yes, I do believe there are plenty of peaceful Muslims, but only the extremists get the main spotlight.
- Jason
crimsong19 10 months ago
@crimsong19 and they get the spotlight because of how loud and vocal they are. Between a muslim praying and one blowing up a building, I know which one I'd want to hear about. It's more flashy.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed That's how the news works, which I'm sure you know. What bleeds leads.
crimsong19 10 months ago
I was born in Australia, but when I was 12 my family moved to Brunei Darussalam, an Islamic Sultanate, so that my mother could teach English to local students there. I went to an international school, I was friends with quite a few Muslims. For the three years I lived there, not once was I on the receiving end of any vitriol for being an "infidel" or a "Westerner". I believe that the majority of Muslims, like the majority of people in general, are peaceful, and don't want to wage war on anyone.
donjuantriumphs 10 months ago
@donjuantriumphs I find it hard to believe that a majority of anyone would want to wage war, unless it was completely justified, you know?
Justtubed 10 months ago
I have a some friends who are Muslim and they are some of the nicest, and most peaceful people I have ever met. Every religion has it's extremism, cause there are some Christian branches that teach hate against others. So to blanket an entire community based on one small group just isn't fair. I feel bad for that man who was thrown into the middle of that. If he was a true Christian though, I'm sorry, but he wouldn't be spreading hate like that... :-/
eeks1120 10 months ago
@eeks1120 A lot of people have been saying they feel like he just went from one extreme to another. I am starting to agree with that.
Justtubed 10 months ago
-wrong to force something as huge as religion onto him at such an impressionable age. So part of me is saying I find not just Islam but religion in general kind of wrong if not approched in the right way. However, seeing as my mother's side of the family are all muslim I know for a fact that the majority of muslims are just completely piecefull loving people. So I stand in a middle ground about how I feel toward this issue.
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions It also bothers me with young people. On one hand, I want to raise my child with my ideals. On the other, I don't want to force him or her to worship the same way I do. I want that child to make his own decisions.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I stand in an awkward place on this topic. You see, I myself am Athiest but am VERY respectful of religion. I was however as a child brought up as a Muslim by my mother. Now, part of the reason why I started to become athiest is that I disagreed with a lot of the practices that Islam carries out. I felt that often young children were completely brain washed by having religion forced onto them (for example my cousin was made to learn the entire Korran by the age of 11). I just felt it was-
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions well, i dont mean to be disrespectfull but alot of muslims dont know alot of things about islam b/c they werent taught it as a child as much, also i dont think that anywhere in the quran, not korran, (by knowing u say korran ik that you were taught different than me) it doesnt say that your child HAS to memorize the whole quran, however it is EXTREMLY GOOD and is encouraged, it isnt manditory, what your parents did by forcing him wasnt the best approach, but it was good 4 him
annonroi 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions as im sure that you know someone who has memorized the quran has earned a high rank as a muslim in gods eyes and i believe is able to take other people (11 from your family ?) with him to heaven if he stays a hafez (one who memorizes the whole quran) also he can get to higher ranks such as alim, and mufti, (there are very few true ones left) and even a kalipha which there are none, and some conspiracies say are being hunted down, so his parents werent wrong in what they did bu
annonroi 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions but rather how they did it, but theyre intentions were pure im sure
annonroi 10 months ago
@annonroi Well you now come to the problem of belief in God and whether memorising a Korran/Quran (both usable terms) is a good thing. If you believe in it then yes, I can see why you would think it was a good thing. Equally, I'm sure you can see that from my eyes (an athiest) I would see no benefit in memorising it. The discussion now shifts to the actual belief in God which is not one I fancy getting into over the internet as it is far too big a topic to have without it turning into a-
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@annonroi - flame war (specially if others get involved). I myself am just yet to see an argumenet that truely counters POE. But yeh, I still respect your views, I just disagree due to my non belief in God
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions POE? and what do you mean flame war?
annonroi 10 months ago
@annonroi problem of evil. Flame war is the term for people argueing over the internet in a non controlled manor
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions well i dont think this is a flame war,
if by problem of evil, u mean why their is evil in the world. part of the reason is to test peoples faith, punish them, and (what i think) to keep balence in the world, and keep their from being too many people alive
annonroi 10 months ago
@annonroi Im saying I'm worried it might become one if other people get invloved. I just don't believe an opnipotent and omnibenevilant God would devise a test which is predominantly decided upon by birth place. Also his oniscience would cause the test to be irrelivant as he would know all outcomes an eternity before those passing or failing them were ever conceived. I really don't want this to become a discussion about whether God exsists or not as this was not what Justin aimed to discuss.
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions well i dont understand how the test would be decided upon birth place,
however for the question of why we were made and put on earth if he knows all, im not sure about myself, and i believe somewhere in the quran that is one of the questions humans cannot know, either that or it was to be able to show us why we went to hell or heaven especially since everyones lives will be shown to everyone i dont want this to become an arguement of god existence either, ive had 2 this week
annonroi 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions would you mind telling me why u decided to become an atheist? without turning this into a discussion on gods existence?
annonroi 10 months ago
@annonroi the reason I mentioned birth place is that religion is passed down through famalies. Algerians (generally) are brought up Muslim, Americans (in certain places) are generally brought up Christian. If a God were to think that being Christian (as appose to Muslim) were a failing of the test then it pretty much comes down to whatever you were brought up. I apprieciate that there are accpetions to this rule (people turning from one religion to another) but the majority of the time, that is-
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@annonroi -how it happens. There is no real impirical evidence to show that we should follow one religion as appose to another and what real evidence is there to believe in something above one's self. Read up on Brook's Island analogy for furthur explaination. Through discussion, debate and doing A level Philosophy I made my decision. May I also ask you, are your parents/family muslim? Why follow Islam as appose to Christianity/Judaism/Buddism? And have you ever seriously considered-
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@annonroi -the views of Athiest philosphers such and Dawkins? I no longer wish to discuss beyond this point but I apprieated hearing your opinion :)
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions well the thing is that islam is open to everyone in todays world and people are able to access the information. although yes i was raised muslim and my family is muslim there are still things they didnt spoon feed me, also religion isnt something you are born into, althought you maybe in a muslim family, that doesnt mean they are good muslims, or even that you are muslim, as for veiws of atheists i have thought about them as well as christianity and ive wondered on tht questi-
annonroi 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions question of what if people were never exposed to the true islam? how are they expected to convert if they are raised as christians,
atheists i feel are different, and i think they arent right (no offence to you) but those reasons are somehting that would further extend this conversation which neighter of us want to do however i did appreciate hearing your veiws becuase peoples veiws always help me further understand things (:
annonroi 10 months ago
@annonroi Yeh, I think its a good idea to keep an open mind and listen to both sides of the story with the view that you may actually change your views rather than for the sake of hearing them. But yeh, nice talking :)
ICOEPRproductions 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions I just read your conversation with @annonroi. thank you both for keeping it civil.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@annonroi I just read your conversation with @icoeprproductions. Thank you both for keeping it civil. I appreciate it.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed well i am glad if anything we said gave you further thoughts on the matter
annonroi 10 months ago
@ICOEPRproductions See, now I think you are one of the best people to really have an opinion on this. You were raised in it, and even though you had a bad experience, you're still respecftul
Justtubed 10 months ago
wtfwtfwtfwtfwtf what is WRONG with that guy?
milkyway531 10 months ago
@milkyway531 some people said they think he just went from one form of hate to another. I'm not sure. I don't know much more about this guy.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Amen! Its sad what he has gone through, but this kind of thing happens all the time. People have bad experiences with something and then they equate that with the religion on the whole. Someone goes to a radical church where they teach fear and fire & brimstone and it turns them away from the loving and humble christian message and then in turn Christianity as a whole.
EmBeeBe 10 months ago
@EmBeeBe I can see that. On a lighter scale, I had a bad experience with a phone provider and I will never go back. That doesn't mean everyone's cell phone service would be bad with that company.
Justtubed 10 months ago
.. examples of Christians and Muslims working together in a future meeting, invite a Muslim speaker to talk on a topic of mutual interest, or even just give a disclaimer that every faith has different interpretations, and that there are plenty of tolerant, peaceful Muslims out there, just as there are plenty of hate-filled, dangerous 'christians'. I wish peaceful inter-faith discussion happened more often. People can have very different religious beliefs and still be friends and neighbours.
ghostwritten87 10 months ago
@ghostwritten87 I agree with you. I love learning new things and I'd love more people of differing religions to talk and work together for good.
Justtubed 10 months ago
This was really thought-provoking. I think sometimes people's personal experiences of a religion can be so negative and emotional that it becomes difficult for them to see the issue subjectively, or to imagine that there are any other ways of practicing and experiencing the religion than what they have been through. Perhaps on these occasions others have to step in to help provide other points of view.Even if the church couldn't anticipate what was going to be said, perhaps they could promote..
ghostwritten87 10 months ago
@ghostwritten87 PErsonal experience is certainly something that can affect the way we view something. I had a horrible experience with a certain cell phone company, and I'll never go back. That doesn't mean EVERYONE's experience was bad.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Too many thoughts, not enough comment characters! Hopefully we can talk about this on skype sometime.
eversinceimmortal 10 months ago
@eversinceimmortal it could also be a good idea for one of your videos for 2011 :)
ckXcore 10 months ago
@eversinceimmortal I agree with Cody. It could be a 2011 video... :) either way, I'm still waiting for this conversation to happen.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed Sorry it's taken me so long! I've been a bit anti-social lately. I'd like make a video response, but I'm a bit too close to the situation, it wouldn't be...prudent to discuss it in a video. Hopefully it will make more sense once we've talked about it, hah. Soon! Promise!
eversinceimmortal 10 months ago
I agree that extremist on either side of any issue tend to cause harm. HOWEVER I do feel like they also help people address issues, raise conversation and awareness and cause people to be proactive about find more information on a topic and making their own decision. But I don't know if this equals the number of people who blindly follow them.
keeporjot 10 months ago
@keeporjot I can see your point. Like, if 200 people die for one person to stand up and say that's enough... is that worth it?
Justtubed 10 months ago
Most people hate what they fear. That man must be very afraid.
Of course you have Muslims who are 'evil', but you have 'evil' Christians as well. A religion doesn't make you an evil person (or not). It all depends on what kind of person you are.
TheDynamiteVoice 10 months ago
@TheDynamiteVoice I am really digging the whole "it depends on the person thing." You haven't been the only person to express this.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Don't worry, I'm totally making a video response to this tomorrow :) just finishing getting my thoughts in order :D
resiherm 10 months ago
@resiherm thank you for making a video response. I will make sure to feature a point or two in the re re video.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Last post, I promise!
Hey Justin! At least this way, you'll get lots more comments ;)
Some of them may be a little angry though lol.
Faith over religion - that's my belief.
Prothope 10 months ago
@Prothope I'm not worried about angry comments. You do a video like this, and it's expected. However, I actually haven't been getting a lot of hate.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed It's because you approached the issue with sensitivity and understanding, not prejudice and bias. Also, it's because you're awesome and your viewers/subscribers love you.
Prothope 10 months ago
The motto of my former global studies teacher, which has stuck with me to this day: the world is a little bit white here and a little bit black there... and everything else in between is gray.
The truth is always more satisfying than fiction, but it does require a certain sacrifice to break out of the cocoon. Islam can be a peaceful religion simply because there are people out there who can make it peaceful. It's not the religion, it is us.
Prothope 10 months ago
@Prothope And I think I've been hearing that a lot, that it's about the person, not the religion. I like that a lot.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Fanaticism clouds our judgement - it is a sign of spiritual and emotional insecurity, as it exchanges clarity for a sense of false purpose and comfort. Furthermore, I believe that religions are only ideas, and ideas are simply tools to achieve an outcome. As tools, it only has meaning by the way it is used. Islam or Christianity is what you make it to be. It is merely a focus. The human spirit is the power cell. As the past shows, religion can be instruments of both compassion and cruelty.
Prothope 10 months ago
@Prothope "religion can be instruments of both compassion and cruelty" is a great thing to say.
Justtubed 10 months ago
On my personal view on this issue:
I understand that Dr. Shayesteh came from an extremist branch of Islam, and thus his views are shaped by his past experiences. It is not surprising that he is taking on and preaching these views now. I do not believe he has changed or grown as much as he claimed: he switched from fanaticism to more fanaticism. Instead of learning from his past and taking to heart the kindness he received, he stuck to ideological fanaticism.
Prothope 10 months ago 2
@Prothope I can really see where you're coming from. Switching from one kind of hate to another.
Justtubed 10 months ago
On a lighter note, I think it would be a great opportunity for your channel to start mixing comedy and serious commentary... so long as there is balance ;)
Transit gradually would be my advice - most of us still come here primarily to watch frivolous activities and life-sabotaging clones XD
Prothope 10 months ago
@Prothope Oh yeah, totally agreed. I still plan to do both.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Ah... this sure is a momentous transition for Justtubed. Be warned, Justin; seriously videos commenting on sensitive and controversial issues can be a slippery slope, especially on YouTube. However, from this video, I think you already know how to correctly conduct these affairs. The key to anything like this is, of course, neutrality.
Prothope 10 months ago
@Prothope I haven't done stuff like this in a long time. When the 365 project was happening there was opportunity for seriousness. I just think the channel needs a bit of a spice up.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Gotta say that dude disgusts me. While I don't doubt he was taught a lot of hate in his mosque, he can't just blanket statement all muslims. But it seems like you already know those :). Also, I would change the title from "Can Muslims Be Peaceful?" to "Can Radicalized Muslims Be Peaceful?". You are making some negative implications there.
evmoneyTV 10 months ago 3
@evmoneyTV He has to know that his statements are hurting others. He has to. I mean, the protesters are telling him. And the title is purposeful because of what the doctor said and to attract a few people to wonder why the heck is it title that way.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I would like to believe that religion wouldn't teach hate, but I've seen what the few can do to influence the whole. Granted I am not in a faith that promotes hate, rather love and forgiveness-yet I fail to see it bring people together at times.
kimberkali77 10 months ago
@kimberkali77 it's a sad thing when religion, which should be about helping others and becoming a better person, just incites hate.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed me likey discussions please continue
seriously3shade 10 months ago
islamic extremists, christian extremists.....I think the extreme views they give of unfortunate situations is bias and self centered. The people that take speakers at a place like this as fact are the problem as well. I gotta tell ya. I am a christian and I have had many more issues with "christians" then i have ever had with muslims. Faith and beliefs make things difficult.
wasteingtimehere 10 months ago
@wasteingtimehere It's good to hear from you, Dougie Phresh. When are you visiting again so we can discuss this in person?
Justtubed 10 months ago
Having studied in a city with quite a large Muslim population, I'd say this guy knows very little about Islam in the UK, so blah. :P There's a substantial amount of non-peaceful stuff in the Bible and there are violent, aggressive Christians. Does that mean Christianity is violent at its core?
What I'd say we have to be more wary of is false teachings within religions. That's what we need to be ready for, not the Islamic Boogy Man.
CarylCake 10 months ago
@CarylCake If more people thought like you, the world would be a better place.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed If more people thought like me... I want to say something hilarious here, but It's midnight and I have a cold. *sniff*
CarylCake 10 months ago
you want to know my opinion?
my opinion is you look great with that beard ;)
BringTheRuckus666 10 months ago
@BringTheRuckus666 That is the best opinion yet. haha
Justtubed 10 months ago
...to form that opinion and voice it, but it in no way reflects the choices or opinions of anyone else specifically. While I disagree with islamic law being recognised as a real legal system (religion and politics should never mix in my opinion), I have no problem with a muslim prime minister, and I wouldn't generalise an entire group based on one member's actions.
WillsOdyssey 10 months ago
@WillsOdyssey I'm there with you, Will. Although I am a Christian, I don't want to see my faith be in control of the government. I like worshiping by choice and I want other people to experience the same thing.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I have to say that this is a kind of a non-issue to me, at least in relation to religion. No one needs a religion as an excuse to either be bad or good; they are just people. Can muslims be peaceful? Of course they can, because people can be peaceful, and they generally are. Dr. Shayesteh had a bad experience with muslim extremists, which would be the same as having a bad experience with christian extremists, and chose to generalise islam as a negative thing. That was his choice as a person...
WillsOdyssey 10 months ago
@WillsOdyssey I like the way you think. It's not about the group, it's about the person. I'm not sure what it's like over there in the UK, but in American, there are a lot of people who think Muslims are out to get us. As someone with background in Islam, I think the doctor had a responsible to not incite that fear even more.
Justtubed 10 months ago
Salaams, it always seems the most ignorant amongst any religion is always the loudest and is taken as THE representation of that particular faith. Any faith can be taken as hardline and extreme and there are those that will. Not all Christians are represented by the Phelps clan, Waco, Pastor Jones, Jim Jones, Jimmy Swaggert, Pastor Paul on YouTube and elsewhere. Creating fear and hate is for the cowardly and greedy no matter what faith they espouse. Great vid.
DroppedmahGyro 10 months ago
@DroppedmahGyro "Creating fear and hate is for the cowardly and greedy..." is such a good quite. Thank you for sharing this.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I'd also say... I think its great that you are prompting discussion! Really like it! :D Looking forward to what you think when you revisit it :D
streetlighthalos 10 months ago
@streetlighthalos I was hoping to get some video responses and do this Dan Brown style, but maybe not.
Justtubed 10 months ago
As has been noted, this man's experience of Islam was through Hezbollah, which has an explicitly violent interpretation of their faith, and then he was involved in the process of creating an Islamic state which is now widely criticised by human rights groups. Of course he is going to have a negative image of Islam.
What I think is important in these discussions is not to 'other' people to the point they are unrecognisable, and to instead ask how our preconceptions affect our opinions. (2/2)
streetlighthalos 10 months ago
@streetlighthalos I realize he's been through such a horrible time with his terrorist group, I just think he has the responsibility to not spread more fear. He HAS to know how Americans react to this.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I definitely think this highlights a key problem in the way issues around Islam/Muslims/terrorism/'threats to freedom' are grouped together in the media, and as various other commentors have already said: what we see in processes like this is a tiny fraction of the reality of a widely practiced, widely interpreted, and overwhelmingly positive and peaceful religion.
Just like Christianity for example has wildly differing faces, from the Quakers to the KKK, so to do all religions. (1/2)
streetlighthalos 10 months ago
@streetlighthalos The media is a good example. Of course they're going to feature radical muslims actions because they're loud and more vocal. As a journalist myself, between a person praying and a person lighting houses on fire, I would do a story about the person lighting houses on fire.
Justtubed 10 months ago
If what you are quoting from him is accurate, I am absolutely appalled. Appalled and angry. That man is not a peaceful person and is spreading a message of hate, which is absolutely not what the world needs. There is a difference between wanting to bring about change for the better and smearing the name of a group. Thanks for posting this.
Also, I consider myself a Quaker-Buddhist Catholic Christian, just so you know my perspective. As weird as it sounds, I find peace in it.
katinatreesee 10 months ago
@katinatreesee Unfortunately, it is accurate. I went back and listened to my recording of the sermon, and it was right. That is certainly an interesting title that you're calling yourself there. haha
Justtubed 10 months ago
In my history class, we're learning about racism. Our teacher said that people are naturally afraid of people who are different because we still have that survival-of-the-fittest mentality because evolution hasn't caught up with society. Therefore, people in America are afraid of Muslims because it's different from what they know and the fact that the media only highlights the actions of Muslim extremists. I think there is definitely a peaceful side to Islam that is ignored.
llamaindisguise 10 months ago
@llamaindisguise I think that's a good possibility. Humans have always been afraid of things they don't understand and can't figure out. It's just sad with how far we've come that there are still people who use that misunderstanding for negative ventures.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I really do disagree with Dr. Shayesteh's views. I have hosted a Muslim exchange student before and she was not mean or anything, she is probably the last person in this world I would ever suspect of being mean to another person. I think Islam is similar to any other religion, yes there is "hateful" language in the Qur'an but there is "hateful" language in most pieces of text in the major religions around the world. I am not opposed to religions though, I am a very devote christian myself
firewindice17 10 months ago
@firewindice17 I think there's also the point that one needs to look at the context of the hate. I'm sure Biblical and Islamic scholars can tell you why such hateful things were written, and I can guess that those things were not meant to be followed on a day to day basis.
Justtubed 10 months ago
@Justtubed Yes I think there is a lot of things that are not meant to be practiced today or even practiced. I am more liberal in my interpretation of the bible and so is my church and I was raised to understand the bible as more of a guide of morals than anything else and the stories being guides not as much factually based things to live by in day-to-day life
firewindice17 10 months ago
Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Christians are good. I'm happy for this man (whose name I can't spell) and the peace he's found for himself, and I would support his right to express his own opinions. However, it does seem like this man in still filled with a lot of hate that's just been redirected.
Alaezabell 10 months ago
@Alaezabell Yeah, and for that, I do kinda feel sorry for him. It's a sad thing.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I feel that he had the right to say what he felt. Seeing as he went through that. However, I do believe that there are good Muslims out there. I don't necessarily agree with their beliefs, but that doesn't mean that they are out there to kill. But violence is never the answer to get your view across. You should not be preaching peace with violence.
supersharayah 10 months ago
@supersharayah I will always defend anyone's right to say what they want to say. That's our freedom. But I also think we should exercise responsibility in that freedom.
Justtubed 10 months ago
You. Are. Awesome. I agree with what you say. Western civilization is afraid of Muslims and the Islamic faith because the only facet of Islam they ever see is the small percentage of radicals. Islam is a beautiful religion, much like Christianity, and we need to realize that Muslims what peace just as much as we do, maybe more! DFTBA!
caesar10022 10 months ago
@caesar10022 radical muslims are such a vocal group. They kill and blow things up. Of course they're going to get more press, you know?
Justtubed 10 months ago
if you think about it. all the things the speaker said muslims do christians have done.of course this was the misguided ones like the Nazis or kkk (and others) but its still there. im a christian and proud of my faith but not of my fellow christians who use it as an exuse to hate and act violently
Darthsantana 10 months ago
@Darthsantana the sins of one group though don't justify the sins of another, if that makes sense. But I agree.
Justtubed 10 months ago
I want to make absolutly clear that there is a massive difference between hate and standing up your religion.
Eg. In the bible, the first of the 10 commandments is 'You shall have no other Gods before me.' I take that to mean, yes, idolatry is sinful, however this doesn't mean that people of other religions are evil people.
Our problem is that many Christians don't know how to convey this in a way that isn't offensive.
hsgmlake 10 months ago
@hsgmlake absolutely agree with you. I think it is perfectly fine to stand up and say you are defending what you believe, but there's a fine line when you start telling people they're wrong.
Justtubed 10 months ago
It definitely sounds to me like that man is spreading fear and hate. I'm not a religious expert either, but whenever somebody makes blanket statements about large groups of people I begin to worry.
LeaveItToPsmith 10 months ago