Jesus said: "Therefore, say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof" (Matthew 21:43). That nation of Ishmael's descendants (the rejected stone in Matthew 21:42) which was victorious against all super-powers of its time as prophecied by Jesus: "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder" (Matthew 21:44).
There are at least 2 lines of preservation of the Torah of Moses known as the Samaritan Torah and the Hebrews Torah. Samaritan Torah originates from the Northern Kingdom of Israel with its capital in Samaria through Prophet Elijah around 852BC.
By 350AD, there is the third line of preservation of the Torah of Moses by the Christians from the Greek Codex Vaticanus.
Quran has no eyewitnesses but merely plagiarized from the scriptures of the Hebrews prophets
@Jesus2point3 YHWH Elohim told Abraham "Hearken unto HER (SARAH) voice". It is forbidden to infringe the words of the sons of ISAAC by virtue of Torah Genesis 21:10-14 " for the son of this bondwoman shall Not be heir with my son, even with ISAAC."
Stealing is never permitted by God. One of the Ten Commandments read: Exo 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
Arabs have no rights to plagiarize the words of the Jewish prophets. "For Salvation is from the JEWS" says Yahu'shua Messiah - Jn 4:22
@positron66 Areyou sure that it's true? What makes you think your source is correct? They say the Torah is a synthesis of documents from a small number of original independent sources. I don't know where those sources came from, or what their agenda may have been.
It is commonly believed within Judaism that had Israel been faithful to the God of Israel, the rest of the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible would have been unnecessary.
And then came Jesus, & Mohammad (PBU both) - & they still don't listen!
Glory to God, YaHoVaH, Creator of Heaven & Earth that the truth of the scripture is revealed in this matter; that those in Bondage of Islam, the seed of Ishmael, Son of Hagar the maidservant, Who's seed have heard the Gospel and believeth not, have denied Christ, the Son of God, who hath the keys to their bondage, shall suffer God's wrath lest they repent, apply the blood of the Lamb of God, that there name be written the book of life. Woe unto those who have contempt for the Jews, as Christ is.
2:(285) The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
@77705000000000000000 YHWH Elohim told Abraham "Hearken unto HER (SARAH) voice". It is forbidden to infringe the words of the sons of ISAAC by virtue of Torah Genesis 21:10-14 " for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with ISAAC."
All Hebrews prophets are the exclusive rights of the sons of ISAAC and must be removed from the Quran immediately. Stealing is never permitted by God. One of the Ten Commandments read: Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
@positron66 I'll say this. To Jews and Christians, Isaac has to be promised or superior, because if he isn't, then Jews would be equal with the rest of mankind. By Isaac being the promised son, it allows them special excemption from God's Law. Since they can't follow their Laws which is apparent, they need that special privaledge. Watch my video if you want some real material.
Ga 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
Glory be to God, for he calls his children who shall see the truth, truth of those who deny the spirit of truth within, in the spirit of error. May grace be upon those called by God, for they themselves deny not the truth within, in the spirit of God and are children of God, born of the spirit of righteousness and truth. As God shall lift the Vail that the truth be known, and the light of truth shine upon them. Those seed born of the maidservant Hagar are in bondage under islam, who deny truth.
019.054-55: Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet. He used to enjoin on his people Prayer and Charity, and he was most acceptable in the sight of his Lord.
These all mention of Ishmael as prophets and they are makki suras, there u go liar xtian, REFUTED.
@truthspeaker12 Surah 19:53-54 speaks of Aaron mentioned in the scripture of Ishmael, that Aaron was a prophet. It does not speak of Ishmael was a prophet because Surah 19:49 does not include Ishmael as son of Abraham whom God has made prophethood.
19: 53-54 And, out of Our Mercy, We gave him (Moses) his brother Aaron, (also) a prophet also mention in the Book (of) Isma'il: He (Aaron) was true to what he promised, and he was an apostle, a prophet.
"... We gave him (Abraham), Isaac and Jacob. Each of them We made a prophet."
It shows the genealogy of Abraham and his son Isaac and his grandson Jacob. Both of them are not the sons bestowed to Abraham. Ishmael the first-born son of Abraham but his birthright was revoked by God. Ishmael was cast out of Abraham's family after Sarah demanded it to be done and God approved it.
Ishmael was 15 years older than Isaac. The chronology of Ishmael is wrong.
why does your god approve the unjust demand of a jealous sarah and revoke the rights of the first born? Gen 21:14 He put them on her shoulders, gave her the child, and sent her away. So she went wandering aimlessly through the wilderness of Beer Sheba. 21:15 When the water in the skin was gone, she shoved the child under one of the shrubs. << can you imagine a 16 year old boy carried by a frail woman in the desert and then shoved under?
@truthspeaker12 . The rights of the first born is not for Ishmael because Ishmael was born of the flesh. Isaac was by miracle and is the true son. Not ALL firstborns received the promise. Ge 25:23 And the LORD said to her: "Two nations are in your womb, Two peoples shall be separated from your body; One people shall be stronger than the other, And the older shall serve the younger."
@truthspeaker12 You ask a good question but I am not God and in no position to answer it. You should either submit to God as a Muslim or rebel God as a pagan. The choice is yours!
Do you know the God who approved the expulsion, later provided the water and blessed Ishmael the Hebrew with a great nation??? Ishmael was not the son promised by God to Abraham. So there was no intention from God to install Ishmael as the heir of Abraham vide Genesis 17:19-21
@tudungsenduk .God hated the Ishmaelites. Ps 83:2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult; And those who hate You have lifted up their head.They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, That the name of Israel may be remembered no more." For they have consulted together with one consent; They form a confederacy against You:The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites;
@tudungsenduk Israel is liek a Son to Yahweh, You may spakn a son but never will you forsake him.
Many times god reproved Israel, but He said He will never forsake them and He hasn't. Ex 4:22 "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD: "Israel is My son, My firstborn.
@GodsSeer I take the Quran to attack the wrong doctrines inside the Quran. Quran is not from God as I have many proofs about it. It is good to teach Muslims how to read the Quran and show them where it is wrong. Muslims never admit Quran is wrong despite of many proofs to support my points. The best weapon against Quran is the Quran itself. Just show them where it is wrong and attacking the weak points unceasingly until there is no way to manipulate it
@positron66 ,, AMEN Allah is NOT the creator and He does not speak to His people. Ps 85:8 ¶ I will hear what God the LORD will speak, For He will speak peace To His people and to His saints; But let them not turn back to folly. It speaks to HIS SAINTS.
@truthspeaker12 ,, Ismael is NOT part and partaker of any promises of ministry and prophet. Ga 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
"... We gave him (Abraham), Isaac and Jacob. Each of them We made a prophet."
It shows the genealogy of Abraham and his son Isaac and his grandson Jacob. Both of them are not the sons bestowed to Abraham. Ishmael was not the son of Abraham as he was not mentioned amongst Isaac & Jacob. WHY? Ishmael was cast out of Abraham's family after Sarah demanded it to be done and God approved it
@77705000000000000000 I see that you deny the spirit of truth within. The spirit poured out onto all flesh, that tells us when something is not right. This is the voice within, that we deny to do wrong. As those born of Hagar, of the will of the flesh, who's in bondage, so to are Her seed, born as servants in bondage under islam. For there women are bound, as thy men, forced to give obedience to islam, under penalty of death. Your heart sees the truth of these parallels yet you deny the spirit.
@77705000000000000000 U are sleeping. Ishmael died at the age of 137 years long before Isaac died at age 180 years and before Jacob was born. So how can the dead Ishmael be an uncle to Israel???
@77705000000000000000 U missed the point. Ishmael was the firstborn son of Abraham. As Abraham was the father of Ishmael, then the prophethood must be in this order Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob. As Quran is excluding Ishmael as the son of Abraham, then Isaac was the firstborn son as the Bible wrote about it, is truthful since there is no discrepancy in this genealogy of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Other Quranic verses contradicting it are wrong!!!
@77705000000000000000 WRONG! Did YOU read verses 10 & 11? Muhammad is NOT in the bible anywhere! Neither are the words Islam, allah, muslim & quran. Means the quran LIED when it states disciples are "muslims". How could there be muslims when they werent around until 600 yrs later? How? tell me Quran also LIED when it states Jesus spoke as a baby! Ridiculous & uncorroborated thru the bible. Jesus & Mary NEVER caled out to allah. Islam is cursed via Rev 22:18 for adding words Jesus never said!
@77705000000000000000 You and all other muslims are too funny. I love how you try to interject Mohammaad into the bible as if it were a good thing. I encourage you to go back and read the scripture you just quoted from the bible, and learn it's context. For it may be talking about mohamaad and all muslims but it is in a negative light not positive. Its saying that that they worship the true god not, only with their lips and their hearts are far from him and nothing but man-made. Islam is false.
Isaiah 29:11-12 speaks of a vision when the book was delivered to a learned man who cannot read it for it is SEALED, meaning the message is hidden from understanding. Then the same book is delivered to the not learned man who said "I am not learned". The book is sealed from understanding, not because one is illiterate because 29:11 says to a LEARNED MAN whereas 29:12 says to a not learned MAN meaning lacking knowledge. It does not mean illiterate man.
@77705000000000000000 How is it a man not knoweth the brilliance and glory of the Angel Gabriel who, clothed with the Glory of God in all its briliants, that speaks to our hearts also, would be mistaken for another, with the darkness of shadows, speaking with the cloak of fear, striking darkened fear in him, lest it be the latter? But what of a man chosen by a wife to be prophet & not God? Who has contempt for the Jews, as they covet the temple mount, & the true prophets seeking his own Praise?
@tudungsenduk , What Nuhd saw was not an Angel of light as Paul saw, who was Christ. Muhd saw an evil spirit who ''APPEARED'' as an angel of light. He was not actually an angel from Yahweh, but that evil spirit that squeezed Muhd and threatened him making him convulse with terror and sweating profusely was NOT of Yahweh, because Yahweh said HE SPEAKS PEACE, Ps 85:8 ¶ I will hear what God the LORD will speak, For He will speak peace To His people and to His saints; That thing was NOT peaceable.
@tudungsenduk , Paul encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts 9, after Jesus' resurrection. Jesus spoke to him and commissioned him. So, Paul met Jesus. Paul visited the Jerusalem apostles Peter, James, and John who affirmed Paul's mission and message (See Gal. 2:9. Also, see the context of Galatians 1:18 - 2:10.) Peter, who was a disciple of Jesus, personally authenticated Paul's writings by calling them scripture in 2 Pet. 3:15-16.
Paul saw an angel of light who claim to be Jesus. Jesus told us in 3 of the Gospels not to believe. Why dont you listen to Jesus?
Barnabas brought Paul to the disciples and they were afraid of Paul. Barnabas later left Paul. Paul also calls Peter a hypocrite for siding with James. Paul of Tarsus. Paul means little. Tarsus is the son of Taurus, the horned god. Paul of Tarsus means the little horned god. Ring any bells?
@tudungsendu,The verse says. 2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. NOT that HE is an angel of light for real, There are true angels of light. Ac 12:7 Now behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him, and a light shone in the prison; and he struck Peter on the side and raised him up, saying, "Arise quickly!" And his chains fell off his hands.
@tudungsenduk , When Satan imposes as an angel of light, It does not mean that God does not send angels of LIGHT TOO. Jesus said; Joh 8:12 ¶ Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."
@tudungsenduk ,,The proof that it was Jesus was in the fact that Paul was so much changed by that experience from murdering Christians to joining in with them. Only Jesus could have made such a change in Him as He does with all who are BORN of God. Joh 3:7 "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'What Does It Mean To Be Born Again? Read on
Yes. Paul changed the law and times. Do I need to tell you what Jesus taught about the law?
Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.
@tudungsenduk ,,When the Bible speaks of being "born of water," it is speaking about the physical birth (NOT baptism). The "second" birth is a SPIRITUAL BIRTH, which means to be born of the "Spirit" (God's Holy Spirit). Why does a person need to be born spiritually? What is a "spiritual" birth?
@tudungsenduk ,,Our spirit is dead in sin when we are born; that is, we are born void of God. No person is ever born with God. The only exception is the Lord Jesus Christ Who came as God in the flesh (1st Timothy 3:16). Our spirit is dead in trespasses and sin the Bible says...And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
@tudungsenduk , This change is Made by God Himself in us. He changes us into a new creation by His Spirit Who enters into us causing a complete and total transformation in all things. It is a perceivable change and one that makes us realize and KNOW that we have been changed by God's LOVE and power. In my own case, I noticed how It was in me to love even my enemies. I KNOW God and hear His voice now. The VOICE of one who is LOVE. This cannot be Satan.
@tudungsenduk ,, Satan does NOT appear in such LOVE and healing power. Satan appearing as an angel of Light would turn people away from Christ's redemption and deny His salvation. Paul did not do THAT. Paul did greater works than Jesus did; Ac 19:11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them.
May God forbid. What can I say when one is so blind to the truth. Paul who saw the angel of light is now your master. May God have mercy on your soul.
@tudungsenduk It was NOT Paul who changed these things It was Muhd who denied the salvation of Christ and the power of Yahweh to save by His sacrifice for us. Muhd changed everything the whole Bible stands for.
@77705000000000000000 . No where does THAT refer to Muhd. Jesus was not learned either. Joh 7:15 And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this Man know letters, having never studied?"
Keturah, Abraham’s concubine - Abraham’s pilegesh, or wife of the second rank; she was neither whore, harlot, nor concubine, in our sense of these words.
1Ch 1:32 Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan.
Jesus said: "Therefore, say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruit thereof" (Matthew 21:43). That nation of Ishmael's descendants (the rejected stone in Matthew 21:42) which was victorious against all super-powers of its time as prophecied by Jesus: "And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder" (Matthew 21:44).
77705000000000000000 1 year ago
Once again you've used a faulty original source. The Tanakh was supposedly compiled by "men of the great assembly", Like OBAMAcare.
Whenever I see men assemble, they can't seem to agree on the truth, But if you learn to trust yourself, you can tell when another man is truthful!
I'm tellin' you the truth right now, I was nurtured in Gabrielle's womb & delivered to tell the truth of Islam, and the Noble Qur'an.
The Qur'an was delivered by the Angel Gabriel, it is the absolute true word of GOD!
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3
There are at least 2 lines of preservation of the Torah of Moses known as the Samaritan Torah and the Hebrews Torah. Samaritan Torah originates from the Northern Kingdom of Israel with its capital in Samaria through Prophet Elijah around 852BC.
By 350AD, there is the third line of preservation of the Torah of Moses by the Christians from the Greek Codex Vaticanus.
Quran has no eyewitnesses but merely plagiarized from the scriptures of the Hebrews prophets
positron66 1 year ago
@Jesus2point3 YHWH Elohim told Abraham "Hearken unto HER (SARAH) voice". It is forbidden to infringe the words of the sons of ISAAC by virtue of Torah Genesis 21:10-14 " for the son of this bondwoman shall Not be heir with my son, even with ISAAC."
Stealing is never permitted by God. One of the Ten Commandments read: Exo 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
Arabs have no rights to plagiarize the words of the Jewish prophets. "For Salvation is from the JEWS" says Yahu'shua Messiah - Jn 4:22
positron66 1 year ago
@positron66 Areyou sure that it's true? What makes you think your source is correct? They say the Torah is a synthesis of documents from a small number of original independent sources. I don't know where those sources came from, or what their agenda may have been.
It is commonly believed within Judaism that had Israel been faithful to the God of Israel, the rest of the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible would have been unnecessary.
And then came Jesus, & Mohammad (PBU both) - & they still don't listen!
Jesus2point3 1 year ago
Glory to God, YaHoVaH, Creator of Heaven & Earth that the truth of the scripture is revealed in this matter; that those in Bondage of Islam, the seed of Ishmael, Son of Hagar the maidservant, Who's seed have heard the Gospel and believeth not, have denied Christ, the Son of God, who hath the keys to their bondage, shall suffer God's wrath lest they repent, apply the blood of the Lamb of God, that there name be written the book of life. Woe unto those who have contempt for the Jews, as Christ is.
SeekTruthinLight 1 year ago
In The Name of Allah
2:(285) The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
77705000000000000000 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 YHWH Elohim told Abraham "Hearken unto HER (SARAH) voice". It is forbidden to infringe the words of the sons of ISAAC by virtue of Torah Genesis 21:10-14 " for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with ISAAC."
All Hebrews prophets are the exclusive rights of the sons of ISAAC and must be removed from the Quran immediately. Stealing is never permitted by God. One of the Ten Commandments read: Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
positron66 1 year ago
@positron66 I'll say this. To Jews and Christians, Isaac has to be promised or superior, because if he isn't, then Jews would be equal with the rest of mankind. By Isaac being the promised son, it allows them special excemption from God's Law. Since they can't follow their Laws which is apparent, they need that special privaledge. Watch my video if you want some real material.
ultimatemaijn 6 months ago
Ga 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
GodsSeer 1 year ago
Glory be to God, for he calls his children who shall see the truth, truth of those who deny the spirit of truth within, in the spirit of error. May grace be upon those called by God, for they themselves deny not the truth within, in the spirit of God and are children of God, born of the spirit of righteousness and truth. As God shall lift the Vail that the truth be known, and the light of truth shine upon them. Those seed born of the maidservant Hagar are in bondage under islam, who deny truth.
SeekTruthinLight 1 year ago
All mumbo jumbo, from one side and the other...we may as well be throwing virgins into vulcanos to apease them.
greenday1978 1 year ago
19:55, 21:85, 6:86, 38:48
019.054-55: Also mention in the Book (the story of) Isma'il: He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet. He used to enjoin on his people Prayer and Charity, and he was most acceptable in the sight of his Lord.
These all mention of Ishmael as prophets and they are makki suras, there u go liar xtian, REFUTED.
truthspeaker12 1 year ago
@truthspeaker12 Surah 19:53-54 speaks of Aaron mentioned in the scripture of Ishmael, that Aaron was a prophet. It does not speak of Ishmael was a prophet because Surah 19:49 does not include Ishmael as son of Abraham whom God has made prophethood.
19: 53-54 And, out of Our Mercy, We gave him (Moses) his brother Aaron, (also) a prophet also mention in the Book (of) Isma'il: He (Aaron) was true to what he promised, and he was an apostle, a prophet.
Now, where is the Book of Ismail today?
positron66 1 year ago
@truthspeaker12 Quran 19:49 (P)
"... We gave him (Abraham), Isaac and Jacob. Each of them We made a prophet."
It shows the genealogy of Abraham and his son Isaac and his grandson Jacob. Both of them are not the sons bestowed to Abraham. Ishmael the first-born son of Abraham but his birthright was revoked by God. Ishmael was cast out of Abraham's family after Sarah demanded it to be done and God approved it.
Ishmael was 15 years older than Isaac. The chronology of Ishmael is wrong.
positron66 1 year ago
@positron66
why does your god approve the unjust demand of a jealous sarah and revoke the rights of the first born? Gen 21:14 He put them on her shoulders, gave her the child, and sent her away. So she went wandering aimlessly through the wilderness of Beer Sheba. 21:15 When the water in the skin was gone, she shoved the child under one of the shrubs. << can you imagine a 16 year old boy carried by a frail woman in the desert and then shoved under?
truthspeaker12 1 year ago
@truthspeaker12 . The rights of the first born is not for Ishmael because Ishmael was born of the flesh. Isaac was by miracle and is the true son. Not ALL firstborns received the promise. Ge 25:23 And the LORD said to her: "Two nations are in your womb, Two peoples shall be separated from your body; One people shall be stronger than the other, And the older shall serve the younger."
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@truthspeaker12 You ask a good question but I am not God and in no position to answer it. You should either submit to God as a Muslim or rebel God as a pagan. The choice is yours!
Do you know the God who approved the expulsion, later provided the water and blessed Ishmael the Hebrew with a great nation??? Ishmael was not the son promised by God to Abraham. So there was no intention from God to install Ishmael as the heir of Abraham vide Genesis 17:19-21
positron66 1 year ago
@truthspeaker12
God said listen to Sarah for God had plans for Prophet Ismael (as). Pls have a look at some of my videos. Salam.
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk .God hated the Ishmaelites. Ps 83:2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult; And those who hate You have lifted up their head.They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, That the name of Israel may be remembered no more." For they have consulted together with one consent; They form a confederacy against You:The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites;
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
That is because Israel did evil in the eyes of The Lord. Read Judges.
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk Israel is liek a Son to Yahweh, You may spakn a son but never will you forsake him.
Many times god reproved Israel, but He said He will never forsake them and He hasn't. Ex 4:22 "Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD: "Israel is My son, My firstborn.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
"He will never forsake them and He hasn't"
Jesus was sent to the house of Israel as a last straw. They forsook him. The Kingdom of God has been taken away from them. Dont you know your Bible.
Peace
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk , Yes, honey I know my Bible. I am sending the verses and proof.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
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GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer I take the Quran to attack the wrong doctrines inside the Quran. Quran is not from God as I have many proofs about it. It is good to teach Muslims how to read the Quran and show them where it is wrong. Muslims never admit Quran is wrong despite of many proofs to support my points. The best weapon against Quran is the Quran itself. Just show them where it is wrong and attacking the weak points unceasingly until there is no way to manipulate it
positron66 1 year ago
@positron66 It was my bad, i thought I was addressing a Muslim. I agree with YOU MY friend and brother.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer Yehovah God is not Allah. So there is no way that Quran is from God.
positron66 1 year ago
@positron66 ,, AMEN Allah is NOT the creator and He does not speak to His people. Ps 85:8 ¶ I will hear what God the LORD will speak, For He will speak peace To His people and to His saints; But let them not turn back to folly. It speaks to HIS SAINTS.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@truthspeaker12 ,, Ismael is NOT part and partaker of any promises of ministry and prophet. Ga 4:30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
GodsSeer 1 year ago
In The Name of Allah
19:(54) Also mention in the Book (the story of) Ishmael : He was (strictly) true to what he promised, and he was a messenger (and) a prophet.]
and the reason why didn't u see his name in this verse : "And I have followed the religion of my fathers, Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. ..."
coz Ishmael is not the father of Joseph coz Ishmael is the uncle of Israel (Jecob) peace be upon them all .
77705000000000000000 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 Quran 19:49 (P) -- Mecca
"... We gave him (Abraham), Isaac and Jacob. Each of them We made a prophet."
It shows the genealogy of Abraham and his son Isaac and his grandson Jacob. Both of them are not the sons bestowed to Abraham. Ishmael was not the son of Abraham as he was not mentioned amongst Isaac & Jacob. WHY? Ishmael was cast out of Abraham's family after Sarah demanded it to be done and God approved it
positron66 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 I see that you deny the spirit of truth within. The spirit poured out onto all flesh, that tells us when something is not right. This is the voice within, that we deny to do wrong. As those born of Hagar, of the will of the flesh, who's in bondage, so to are Her seed, born as servants in bondage under islam. For there women are bound, as thy men, forced to give obedience to islam, under penalty of death. Your heart sees the truth of these parallels yet you deny the spirit.
SeekTruthinLight 1 year ago
@SeekTruthinLight . You do not know what spirit you are of.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 U are sleeping. Ishmael died at the age of 137 years long before Isaac died at age 180 years and before Jacob was born. So how can the dead Ishmael be an uncle to Israel???
positron66 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 U missed the point. Ishmael was the firstborn son of Abraham. As Abraham was the father of Ishmael, then the prophethood must be in this order Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob. As Quran is excluding Ishmael as the son of Abraham, then Isaac was the firstborn son as the Bible wrote about it, is truthful since there is no discrepancy in this genealogy of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Other Quranic verses contradicting it are wrong!!!
positron66 1 year ago
It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".
so Muhammad mention in the bible , so please believe in prophet Ishamel & in prophet Muhammad and make no difference between them
that's my advise to u my brother
77705000000000000000 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 Please read these Quranic verses yourself and know that Ishamel was not a legal son of Abraham as his name was not there.
Quran 21:72 (P) -- Mecca
And We bestowed upon him (Abraham) Isaac, and Jacob as a grandson. Each of them We made righteous.
Quran 12:38 (P) -- Mecca
And I have followed the religion of my fathers, Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. ...
positron66 1 year ago
jefeisdguard 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 You and all other muslims are too funny. I love how you try to interject Mohammaad into the bible as if it were a good thing. I encourage you to go back and read the scripture you just quoted from the bible, and learn it's context. For it may be talking about mohamaad and all muslims but it is in a negative light not positive. Its saying that that they worship the true god not, only with their lips and their hearts are far from him and nothing but man-made. Islam is false.
magratmd 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000
Isaiah 29:11-12 speaks of a vision when the book was delivered to a learned man who cannot read it for it is SEALED, meaning the message is hidden from understanding. Then the same book is delivered to the not learned man who said "I am not learned". The book is sealed from understanding, not because one is illiterate because 29:11 says to a LEARNED MAN whereas 29:12 says to a not learned MAN meaning lacking knowledge. It does not mean illiterate man.
positron66 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000
Now it does not speak of a prophet neither any man who is not learned. Prophet Jesus was also never LEARNED in letters which means he was not learned.
John 7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me."
positron66 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 How is it a man not knoweth the brilliance and glory of the Angel Gabriel who, clothed with the Glory of God in all its briliants, that speaks to our hearts also, would be mistaken for another, with the darkness of shadows, speaking with the cloak of fear, striking darkened fear in him, lest it be the latter? But what of a man chosen by a wife to be prophet & not God? Who has contempt for the Jews, as they covet the temple mount, & the true prophets seeking his own Praise?
SeekTruthinLight 1 year ago
@SeekTruthinLight .. 2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
Yes you are right. Paul saw that angel of light in the desert on the way to Damascus.
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk , What Nuhd saw was not an Angel of light as Paul saw, who was Christ. Muhd saw an evil spirit who ''APPEARED'' as an angel of light. He was not actually an angel from Yahweh, but that evil spirit that squeezed Muhd and threatened him making him convulse with terror and sweating profusely was NOT of Yahweh, because Yahweh said HE SPEAKS PEACE, Ps 85:8 ¶ I will hear what God the LORD will speak, For He will speak peace To His people and to His saints; That thing was NOT peaceable.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
How does Paul know that the angel of light is Jesus? Paul never met Jesus. Jesus forewarned us not to believe. Why do you believe?
Mat 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it.
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk , Paul encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts 9, after Jesus' resurrection. Jesus spoke to him and commissioned him. So, Paul met Jesus. Paul visited the Jerusalem apostles Peter, James, and John who affirmed Paul's mission and message (See Gal. 2:9. Also, see the context of Galatians 1:18 - 2:10.) Peter, who was a disciple of Jesus, personally authenticated Paul's writings by calling them scripture in 2 Pet. 3:15-16.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
Paul saw an angel of light who claim to be Jesus. Jesus told us in 3 of the Gospels not to believe. Why dont you listen to Jesus?
Barnabas brought Paul to the disciples and they were afraid of Paul. Barnabas later left Paul. Paul also calls Peter a hypocrite for siding with James. Paul of Tarsus. Paul means little. Tarsus is the son of Taurus, the horned god. Paul of Tarsus means the little horned god. Ring any bells?
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsendu,The verse says. 2Co 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. NOT that HE is an angel of light for real, There are true angels of light. Ac 12:7 Now behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him, and a light shone in the prison; and he struck Peter on the side and raised him up, saying, "Arise quickly!" And his chains fell off his hands.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk , When Satan imposes as an angel of light, It does not mean that God does not send angels of LIGHT TOO. Jesus said; Joh 8:12 ¶ Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk ,,The proof that it was Jesus was in the fact that Paul was so much changed by that experience from murdering Christians to joining in with them. Only Jesus could have made such a change in Him as He does with all who are BORN of God. Joh 3:7 "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'What Does It Mean To Be Born Again? Read on
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
Yes. Paul changed the law and times. Do I need to tell you what Jesus taught about the law?
Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk ,,When the Bible speaks of being "born of water," it is speaking about the physical birth (NOT baptism). The "second" birth is a SPIRITUAL BIRTH, which means to be born of the "Spirit" (God's Holy Spirit). Why does a person need to be born spiritually? What is a "spiritual" birth?
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk ,,Our spirit is dead in sin when we are born; that is, we are born void of God. No person is ever born with God. The only exception is the Lord Jesus Christ Who came as God in the flesh (1st Timothy 3:16). Our spirit is dead in trespasses and sin the Bible says...And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk , This change is Made by God Himself in us. He changes us into a new creation by His Spirit Who enters into us causing a complete and total transformation in all things. It is a perceivable change and one that makes us realize and KNOW that we have been changed by God's LOVE and power. In my own case, I noticed how It was in me to love even my enemies. I KNOW God and hear His voice now. The VOICE of one who is LOVE. This cannot be Satan.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk ,, Satan does NOT appear in such LOVE and healing power. Satan appearing as an angel of Light would turn people away from Christ's redemption and deny His salvation. Paul did not do THAT. Paul did greater works than Jesus did; Ac 19:11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them.
This is NOT Satan.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
"Paul did greater works than Jesus did"
May God forbid. What can I say when one is so blind to the truth. Paul who saw the angel of light is now your master. May God have mercy on your soul.
Peace
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk It was NOT Paul who changed these things It was Muhd who denied the salvation of Christ and the power of Yahweh to save by His sacrifice for us. Muhd changed everything the whole Bible stands for.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@GodsSeer
"Muhd changed everything the whole Bible stands for"
Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) changed everything that Paul stands for, as Paul changed everything that Jesus(pbuh) stands for.
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk , What did Paul CHANGE that Jesus Christ brought or taught?
GodsSeer 1 year ago
@77705000000000000000 . No where does THAT refer to Muhd. Jesus was not learned either. Joh 7:15 And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this Man know letters, having never studied?"
GodsSeer 1 year ago
Abraham never married Hagar, it has not been recorded as a marriage in Genesis.
So by implication, Ishmeal is illigitimate.
SonofThunder120 1 year ago
@SonofThunder120. The genealogy of Abraham in the Quran speaks loud and clear that Ishmael was an illegitimate son, not from the promise of God.
Marriage may not be elaborated in the writing. Now Keturah was taken as a wife Gen 25:1 but 1st Chronicle says she was a concubine.
positron66 1 year ago
1Ch 1:32
Keturah, Abraham’s concubine - Abraham’s pilegesh, or wife of the second rank; she was neither whore, harlot, nor concubine, in our sense of these words.
1Ch 1:32 Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan.
positron66 1 year ago