wealth redistribution and income redistribution aren't the same thing...punitive income tax rates on everything above 200k/couple entrenches the wealth of the very wealthy because no one else can get rich.
We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. Politicians love visible beneficiaries & invisible victims !
There is no such thing as a good tax. Politicians are leaches, mostly !
Three groups spend other people's money: children, thieves, politicians. All three need supervision.
"It has been a sign of the health and vitality of the right over the last forty years that it could at least produce primary challengers to moderate and establishment Republican officeholders. For the left to roll over totally for Obama, after giving Clinton a pass in 1996, would be a sign of a massive failure of conviction and imagination and nerve.
Russ Feingold or Dennis Kucinich, Robert Reich or Paul Krugman: Won’t one of you be willing to raise the progressive banner high?" --Bill Kristol
How does cutting taxes for the richest people create jobs for the rest of the US?
There the repubicans go again - favoring oil companies, other billionaires over the majority. (Obama is ALWAYS giving in to repubicans. Totally not his fault. If you can't see that you probably need to go back to first grade.)
@jjlinert "Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand & the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today & tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now."President John F Kennedy
@jjlinert When you cut taxes on the wealth then the wealth invests more and that helps the economy. And if you raise taxes on those "evil oil companies" you liberals love to hate then oil companies will raise prices to make up for the increase in costs. You morons who call the rich and oil companies evil are ignorant to economic reality. If you dont like rich bankers, dont put your money in banks. If you dont like rich oil executives then buy a hybrid. Stop bitching about the rich.
@Jononutoob You are a big, dumb moron. I've seen 5 year olds smarter than you. - GE, a company that paid zero taxes, invests & has factories, & research and development facilities in China, Hungary, India, etc That is typical of most big companies. When oil companies, etc don't pay taxes, the money usually goes abroad or into some Swiss or Caribbean bank account.
If you are for the big corporations, you are against America and should go back to Iran, you stupid communist marxist.
@jjlinert And raising taxes on GE will do what to prices of GE products? You call me a moron yet you say because I am for big corporations and that makes me communist. Do you know what communism is? You see rich and poor and that makes you socialist. lol How do you like it?
I pray for a Social Revolution where we can pull these scumbags out of the Halls of Congress and the Federal Reserve and have a public hanging... like the good old days. These politicians sell the American populous a bill of goods which the Media conveniently molds into public opinion. Rupert Murdoch, Politicians, Oligarchs, Elitist, Bankers... heed this warning... you're going to pay the piper with your heads in a basket.
@dalecampbl6 Funny, the dems are at it again, class warfare... This problem was caused by the government, who do you think is in charge???? soros, dems are millionairs as well, they want you blind sided by class warfare, tax the rich. You are telling the rich to tax them selves. yea and how is that working? CUT GOVERNMENT CUT TAXES AND GET THE CRONY BULLSHIT OUT OF WASHINGTON
In November 2010, the unemployment rate was 9.8% with 15.1 million unemployed. (15.1 million/9.8%) = 154 million are able to work in the workforce. 11,941,812 (or 11.9 million) skilled jobs provided to illegal immigrants. GOOGLE “illegal immigration counters”, the 15.1 million unemployed could take the 11.9 million available jobs. The unemployment rate could be reduced to 2.1% {{15.1-11.9)/154}
C SPAN "Black Republican Forum" Session 2 (begin at 11:30) Allen West stated part of Amnesty of 1986 was to secure our borders and enforcement our laws, but haven't happened. (We're still talking about new amnesty like DREAM Act.) We can't allow local cities to make sanctuary cities policies, because they will bring our inner city turf wars to epic proportions by bringing in the drug cartel and Columbian gangs. (Mexican Gangs don't recognize US borders established Treaty of Guadalupe)
why is a stale mate even a possiblity? The point of democrats winning the election was so we can encorporate DEMOCRATIC policies...or intelligent policies. Next presidential election, ppl will see the economy hasnt gotten better, and blame Obama(democrats)...even though in reality, hes a republican, using republican party policies. ...They'll say "well democrats didnt do anything when in power so lets vote for the other side." ...Bringing in another bush to further ruin everything.
This is the change we can believe in. He was pushing these taxes for the rich since 2008 and weeks before his flip-flop. His tough on China rhetoric was all BS too. Our govt has been effectively infiltrated. 2012 will be chaos because corporations can now donate unlimited funds to elections thanks to the Supreme Court cherry picking the case so they could reversing a century of laws. We are teetering on edge of outright facism.
@brokencountry123 Why do the rich need to pay larger percentage of the money they work for than you or I? hell yes is full of BS on China, the man has no backbone. He is a thinker not a doer. McCain-Feingold was the law limiting corporate campaign donations and it was unconstitutional and no where near a century old. The supreme court cant cherry pick cases. They can only deliberate on cases that are brought before them. And yes we are moving toward fascism.
@econormal Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately.
I would much rather have the comfort of paying my taxes, and knowing the rich are paying their share too. Obama continues to mislead and will never help the working class. He is a great liar though.
@MrSteveParr: The Constituion states the government is there to provide for the "general welfare" of the people. If the welfare of the majority in this country, the middle class, is being threatened by the greed of a few, the government is entitled to get involved.
@judyleasugar97 We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice,insur domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
@judyleasugar97 We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice,insur domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
@cuz4concern “…all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;” These words were in the Constitution when it was signed. How is one person paying 10% and another having to pay 35% uniform? And how the hell is not raising taxes on anyone selling out the middle class?
@MrSteveParr: The founding fathers were dealing with a different country than the one we've got now. At that time there were a lot of gentlemen farmers with small estates, no multi national corporations as we've got now. However, Jefferson stated his worry about "landed gentry," what's going to happen if there is little or no estate tax.
@judyleasugar97 A different world? Some principles are timeless. All men are created equal, free is mans rightful state, though shall not kill, though shall not steal (except by popular vote). 95% of millionaires in America made their money by working their collective asses off for it. If landed gentry has had 243 years to work its will and had little to no effect. Besides, again, its not congresses nor your money.
@MrSteveParr GIVING MILLIONS TP THE RICH.... AND CRUMBS TO THE UNEMPLOYED,, WELL THEN YOU ARE WATCHING FOX NEWS TO MUCH, THIS IS BS TAX CUTS TO THE RICH....... I QUESS YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SAVING MILLS
@cuz4concern The one thing progressives always overlook concerning taxes is the fact that its someone else’s money. This was one our the founding principles. Not taking more of someone’s money is not the same as giving that person money.
Tax the rich indeed. You could take 100% of the money of the “rich” and even harvest their organs and it still would not touch the lustful spending demands of Marxian Democrats. But as they have known since FDR and the halcyon days of the ’30s, the real money is in the middle class worker’s pocket – just make them think you are “soaking the rich”. Brilliant strategy if you can continue the deception.
Couldn't happen to a nicer crew. We now know what these people are: Marxist-Leninists in Democrat clothing. Liberalism is an addiction (to others’ money) that knows no bounds now and modern Democrats have crossed the line. Their abusive tyrrany over the last two years has clearly demonstrated to all, even “independents”, that these characters are members in an ongoing criminal enterprise determined to take down the Constitution and dismantle the United States of America.
@destroyEVILamerica I’ll urn world peace sideways and shove it up your ass. Our homes are protected by the good Lord and guns. You come on and pick a fight and you will meet both of them.
The problem with the Obama and Mcconnel compromise is that the Republicans engineered a lot of dangerous things into it. Take the fact that it has a small tax that will eventually undermine Social Security. This is exactly what the Republicans want -- to force the privatization of Social Security so those Wall Streeters can get their hands on the 2 trillion dollars in the Social Security fund. And that's only one of the problems in this compromise. I support fillibuster!
@judyleasugar97 A person who started working at 18 (1963) and retired this year at 65 would have done better placing the money the invested into SocSec in the stock market. No privatization of SocSec is not the objective. Putting your contributions into an account for YOU and getting the money out of the general operating fund (where a democrat put it) is the plan. Or did you not know they spend SocSec money on… everything?
@MrSteveParr: Privatizing Social Security is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. Just what happened recently in the stock market tells you, private companies can't be counted on to return investments. Govt run Social Security is necessary for security.
@judyleasugar97 The is NO viable plan for investing SocSec money into the stock market. SocSec used to be in an account all by its self until Lyndon Johnson along with a democrat controlled house and senate moved it into the general operating fund. Guess what? THEY SPENT IT ALL!!!! If ANY business EVER ran a pension system the way SS operates someone would be going to prison. There is a viable plan to put part of the money YOU pay in an account under YOUR name that no one but you can touch.
@MrSteveParr: There's 2 trillion dollars in the Social Security fund. How long do you think the public would hang on to that money if they were allowed to invest in Wall Street? This is all a scam by Wall Street to get their hands on the money! I prefer the govt keep control of it.
@judyleasugar97 You do understand that a filibuster would have everyone trying to survive on minimum wage paying 50% increase in income taxes right? You really want to step on the necks of struggling Americans? This is the best deal we are going to get. BTW a meeting of Dems in Washington last month and the topic on the table, the viability of seizing all IRAs and 401Ks to shore up SocSec. You say the Repubs are trying to get at $2 tril? The Dems are looking at stealing over 6.5 trill.
@MrSteveParr: There is 2 trillion in the Social Security fund, it doesn't need "shoring up." In 2 years most likely the same thing will happen again, the Republicans will hold the American public hostage and say the wealthy have to have their tax cuts, at the same time continuing to reduce what average families get from the govt. You consider that a solution? I'd like to hear a practical solution from you.
@judyleasugar97 Get from the government? Do you know how asinine hat is? They are not getting a tax cut they just aren’t having their taxes go up and its their money. Not yours, not mine and not the governments. A persons income and wealth represents a significant portion of their life and you had better have a damn good reason to relieve them of it. People earning over $200,000 already carry 95% of the income tax burden. How much of the load do you shoulder.
@MrSteveParr: People get social security from the govt. They get unemployment benefits. Plus much more. The Republicans are looking to cut out all these programs for the middle class. The wealthy who financed their campaigns, well, that's different.
@judyleasugar97 Ok so when the Dems run out of rich people to soak who will they soak next? You because your a dumbass borg who believes and follows their every word. A sap will always be a sap. This is the most unconstitutional congress for all time. Democratic Party gave us the Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive legislation which resulted in the multitude of murders, lynchings, mutilations, and intimidations. Now its class warfare and Fuck the President!
@judyleasugar97 You keep saying 2 trillion like “that has to be enough”. From the (republican rag) Washington Post “…the Obama administration reported Tuesday that the financial condition of the two largest federal benefit programs, Medicare and Social Security, had deteriorated, in part because of the recession. As a result, the administration said,
@judyleasugar97 the Medicare fund that pays hospital bills for older Americans is expected to run out of money in 2017. The Social Security trust fund will be exhausted in 2037”.
@judyleasugar97 Or are you one of those people that “gets” stuff from the government? The fact that you have no clue that SocSec is a breath away from paying out more than withholdings bring in leads me to believe that you know just enough about the adult world to be a dangerous when at a voting booth. My boss is one of the people the Dems want to raise taxes on. Why would he give me a raise if he is bringing home less?
@MrSteveParr judyleasugar gets her morning socialist democrat talking points via email. What a shameless democratic whore! She has yet to realize that Social Security has been the Dem lock box/party fund for years and has stolen it blind. She will understand when she decides to retire to nothing! Wait until they come after her 401K plan next!
@MrSteveParr: I support myself. It is a Republican myth that Social Security is in trouble. There is 2 trillion in the fund. If Obama's compromise passes, that might change.
@judyleasugar97 People making min wage are about to have to be paying about $65 more a month and you really don’t care. All you progressives are so concerned about how much money the rich have but no one is talking about how much the poor have. How many diapers does $65 buy? $65 a month and they still have to put gas in the car. But that’s not important, what is important is making sure those evil rich people pay their (100%) fair share.
@MrSteveParr: I'm still waiting to hear a practical solution for this from you. In 2 years the Republicans will be singing the same tune, trying to force another extension.
@judyleasugar97 There is no painless way of dealing with this situation. We have hell coming and guess whos fault it is? Its yours. Yours, mine, that guy over there, his sister, my 2nd grade teacher. Our founders warned us against letting the federal government get this big and this is why. Have you ever read “The Federalist Papers”? Do you know what they are? This is why the senate is supposed to represent the state governments and not the people… again.
@MrSteveParr: Cuts in what spending? You people never want to cut back on war or what's handed to the very wealthy which they absolutely DON'T need right now. The 2 percent wealthiest are holding the middle class hostage! All over a few percent in their taxes. In 2 years I'm sure they'll be asking for more. Did it ever occur to you these people are mentally ill? How many tens of billions do these peole "need"? Does it ever end??? Meanwhile the middle class get poorer and poorer . . .
@judyleasugar97 Read The Law by Bastiat and then read Atlas Shrugged by Ian Rand and then read Democracy In America by Alexis de Tocqueville and then read Lives of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence by Benson J. Lossing and then read They Think You Are Stupid by Herman Cain and then read The Fairtax by Neal Boortz and then rethink everything you think you know.
@judyleasugar97 The key #1 step to fixing this is major spending cuts. #2 is restructuring of the tax code as to make the U.S. more competitive internationally and so that morons cant use it to punish success.
@MrSteveParr: Okay. Let's cut out the REAL spending here: the unnecessary wars, the tax cuts to the very wealthy which they DON'T need. You people go after the small potatoes.
@judyleasugar97 Our founders put into the constitution a clause that states all taxes shall be uniform and this is the exact reason. They knew that the wicked would use an escalating tax system would be used as a vote buying machine. Its not enough that the $200,000+ club are already shouldering 95% of the load and the 47% of wage earners pay nothing. No, those evil, filthy, disgusting, rich people need to pay their fair share and if you vote for me I will make sure they do.
@judyleasugar97 Not only that but I will take that rich persons blood money and I will pass a law giving subsidies to low income families and single mothers for day car assistance. What was your total tax liability for 2009? Do you even know? I bet you know how much your return check was for. I earned $86000 and paid $14000 in taxes. My boss earned $267000 and paid $93000. If you get your wish my taxes will go up $5000 and my bosses will go up over $10000. A few percent?
@judyleasugar97 Not only that but I will have no shot at a raise next year. There are millions of people in this country that are in the exact same position and you hope the Dems make this scenario a reality? Well marry Christmas and happy new year to you to. This is why all taxes are supposed to be uniform. So people like you cant vote for people like them. Asking for more? ITS THEIR MONEY!
@judyleasugar97 A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson
@judyleasugar97 All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.- Thomas Jefferson
@judyleasugar97 Here... will be preserved a model of government, securing to man his rights and the fruits of his labor, by an organization constantly subject to his own will. -Thomas Jefferson
The most sacred of the duties of a government is to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens.-Thomas Jefferson (how is an escalating tax scale equal or impartial?)
@judyleasugar97 An equal application of law to every condition of man is fundamental.-Thomas Jefferson (I don’t see an escalating income tax scale as being “equal application of the law”)
Agriculture, manufactures, commerce and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise.-Thomas Jefferson
@MrSteveParr: Equal? The very wealthy actually pay a LOWER percentage of income tax because of the all the loopholes they employ. Exxon Mobil paid NO INCOME TAX last year!
@judyleasugar97 We are talking about personal income taxes here not corporate taxes. The bottom 47% of wage earners actually pay no income taxes at all. They have money taken out but they get it all back plus some (refundable tax credit). BTW, I will let you in on a little secret. Corporations don’t pay taxes. Sure they right huge quarterly tax checks to the Fed but where does McDonalds, Exxon, Old Navy, that quaint little bakery down the street,
@judyleasugar97 your corner book store, ect, ect, where do you think they get their money from? Us! All taxes associated with commerce get passed off to the end consumer. that’s the only way a company can be profitable. If a company is not profitable then it is short-lived.
@threeddd33: When Eisenhower was in office the wealthy were taxed 90 percent and yet industry flourished. The very wealthy don't need this money! In fact many billionaires like Bill Gates have said they don't want this money because it will harm the country.
@threeddd33: The wealthiest 2 percent are destroying this country. Things can't continue unless those who portion that much wealth for themselves contribute a little. Pretty soon they won't have a country they would want to live in. It's called being penny wise and pound foolish.
@judyleasugar97 WTF are you talking about? If I make 20k and pay 15%, I pay 3k, and they make 20 million @ 35%, they pay 7 million. Now which of the two of us are going to hire someone? And to top that off the get the "privilege" of paying taxes on the same money when they die.
You say Bill Gates doesn't want his money, but did you notice he put in a 'Tax-Exempt' charity instead of cutting a check to the Government? You know why? Because the Gov will piss it away.
@threeddd33: No. They employ tax loopholes and off shore accounts to get out of paying much of it. Many loopholes in fact in Bush's tax cuts. Gates is still opposed to further cutting taxes to the wealthy.
@judyleasugar97 Gates is still opposed huh? Buffett too? But yet they can't bring themselves to just cut an extra check for 4.6% to the Government. You do know they won't turn it down right? Loopholes huh? Then why didn't we see a bill out of the Democrat Congress getting rid of the loopholes instead of one to kick the rate up?
@threeddd33: People like you think you're so smart. Doesn't matter if you think you can logically defend your position, mentally finesse your way around it. IT DOESN'T WORK. Look around you. The big Republican experiment of the last 30 years DOESN'T WORK!
@judyleasugar97 ROFL........LOL.......HoHo..............You haven't figured it out yet. We finance both the Democrats and the republicans run for office. And when they get to thinking to much of themselves we finance the radicals, socialists and communists. LOL It does work. Just doesn't work for you. ROFL
@judyleasugar97 It does work. What has happened in Europe for decades (see Greece) and in America the last couple of years, doesn't work. You can't print money forever, and the price of food and other necessities in the next few years will show you that. Austerity works, and even the dullard Obama can figure out that Independents aren't going to settle for it any longer. I'm Independent, not Republican... and as you can see from the 2010 midterm, the majority of us don't like it.
@threeddd33: You are tyring to confuse the issue. For the last 2 years the Democrats have been trying to clean up Bush's mess, and beyond that the mess that goes back to Regan policies. The Republican agenda doesn't work! Austerity? For who? I don't see the wealthy tightening their belts! You say you're independent, what candidates do you support?
@judyleasugar97 said: "You say you're independent, what candidates do you support?"
None you'd vote for I'm sure.... fiscal conservatives. Socially, I could care less about most issues as long as it doesn't interfere with fiscal conservatism.
@judyleasugar97 You do know that the bottom 50% of wage earners pay 3% of the income tax burden and the the top 1% of wage earners pay over 1/3 of all income taxes AND 43% of total revenue the government suck out of our economy comes from income taxes AND 47% of the $200,000+ “billionaires“ club are small business owners? How are the rich not paying enough? What was your total tax liability last year? Are you shouldering your share?
@MrSteveParr: They pay more because they have most of the money, duh. Sorry, but this country doesn't run on nothing. You want this country to fall apart?
@judyleasugar97 No, I want this country to run the pay it is supposed to. The way its founders intended. No, if the wealthy disappeared tomorrow and there were no captains of industry, no wealth creators life in America would be chaos until other people of the mind stepped up and took their place. The reason the wealthy are so is because they are smarter than the rest of us, you included.
@MrSteveParr She's the type that would try to negotiate their kids sports game to a tie before the game started.... but also have a bumper sticker saying my kid is an A student.
@judyleasugar97 We could take the wealth of our entire nation and divide it equally among every one and the people that HAD wealth yesterday would have it all back in 10 years because they have better decision making skills.
@judyleasugar97 "I can only say that I have contributed towards the organization and administration of the Government the best exertions of which a very fallible judgment was capable". - George Washington 1796
@judyleasugar97 "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." from Common Since by Thomas Paine our founder were dealing with an oppressive government that took far more than it needed from the pockets of the people. I don’t see our world as being all that different.
@judyleasugar97 A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference. _ Thomas Jefferson
@judyleasugar97 All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. -Thomas Jefferson how is tax the rich more “equal”?
@judyleasugar97 A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. _ Thomas Jefferson
@judyleasugar97 “I see,… and with the deepest affliction, the rapid strides with which the federal branch of our government is advancing towards the usurpation of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic; and that, too, by constructions which, if legitimate,
@judyleasugar97 leave no limits to their power… It is but too evident that the three ruling branches of [the Federal government] are in combination to strip their colleagues, the State authorities, of the powers reserved by them, and to exercise themselves all functions foreign and domestic.” –Thomas Jefferson
@judyleasugar97 10th amendment-The powers no delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Our nation WAS set up so that the majority of governance to be at the state and local level. That way We the People had more control over government. It is a known fact that the larger government becomes the less liberties its people enjoy. This is 1+1=2 type stuff.
@judyleasugar97 The fact is that there is but one way to avoid paying income tax and that is to be paid in cash under the table. Though the taxes are still being paid because the person or company paying you in cash cant show the money as an expense.
@judyleasugar97 No, he is saying that he wants you to prove your assertion that the tax cuts exist. Simply saying they exist is not enough. You make the claim and therefore carry the burden of proof.
@judyleasugar97 I see you have met my mother (Nana). She grew up in a housing project in Marietta, Ga until she was 14 and retired this year with 1.3 million in savings and investments. She did it with a high school education.
@judyleasugar97 No, she just knows a lot about working hard, living below her means and saving. She was going to retire in 2008 but she put it off for two years so that her 401K could recoup.
@MrSteveParr: I own a business and I've been working hard since I was 15. But I think they need to raise taxes on the wealthy so there will be a decent country for my daughter to live in. The infrastructure is crumbling.
@judyleasugar97 We wouldn’t have to even think about raising taxes on anyone if we would stop doing stupid stuff like spending $800 billion on a stimulus package that created a net 0 permanent jobs. $2.6 million to make sure prostitutes in China consume less alcohol while working. $117,876 for the three-year study on the use of ecstasy, LSD and other “party drugs” in Porto Alegre, Brazil.
@MrSteveParr: How about not spending a trillion dollars on unnecessary wars? At least the stimulus saved us from another great Depression. How about not handing billions to billionaires who don't need it? Talk about wasteful spending.
@judyleasugar97 Federal employees wasted at least $146 million over a one-year period in business- or first-class airline tickets. If we keep bilking the rich then there will most definitely be no America for your child. The top 5% of wage earners ($160K+) already pay 59% of the income tax burden. In other words, the top 5% pay more than the bottom 95% combined.
@MrSteveParr: "Bilking" the rich? Oh, I feel so sorry for them. You forget to mention the economy is in the shape it's in because of the criminal activities of the 2 percent wealthiest! They're billing us for killing us. How about the top wealthy paying their workers a living wage? Benefits?
@judyleasugar97 Government drawing distinctions between groups, races and gender will be the end of America. Though well intentioned as most progressives are it will be those good intentions that tear this nation down. Just like they did in Rome and Greece. Scenario - lynch mob in front of a jail in the deep south. An escaped slave accused of rape is locked inside. The mob wants to hang him now. “Give us that nigger, we gonna string’em up!”
@judyleasugar97 The sheriff and his deputy stand resolute in front of the door. “Law says he gets a trial” the sheriff says. “We know he did it! Give’em up!” The sheriff replies “Law also says I get to shoot anybody try’n bring harm to my prisoner.” Tell me Judy, who are the republicans and who are the democrats in that scenario?
@judyleasugar97 It’s OK, I knew you wouldn’t answer this question because you couldn’t choose between island-A and island-B. The use of logic is contrary to your political ideology. What it all comes down to is the rule of man (mob rule) vs. the rule of law. The mob in front of the jail represents the rule of man (democracy). The sheriff and his deputy represent the rule of law (republic).
@judyleasugar97 Life, liberty and property do not exist because man has made law. These things existed before and caused men to make the first laws. Each of us has a natural right—from God—to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two.
@judyleasugar97 For what are our faculties but the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties? Every person has the right to defend his/her person, liberty, and property, then a group of people has the right to organize a common force to protect these rights. Thus the principle of collective right—its reason for existing, is based on individual right.
@judyleasugar97 Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups. Such a perversion of force would be, in both cases, contrary to our premise.
@judyleasugar97 Unfortunately, law by no means confines itself to its proper functions and when it over reaches it does so in direct contradiction to its self. The use of law to legitimize plunder for stupid greed and false philanthropy. There tendency that is common among people. When they can, they wish to live and prosper at the expense of others.
@judyleasugar97 The annals of history bear witness to the truth of it: the incessant wars, mass migrations, religious persecutions, slavery, dishonesty in commerce, and monopolies. This fatal desire has its origin in the very nature of man—in that primitive, universal, and insuppressible instinct that impels him to satisfy his desires with the least possible pain.
@judyleasugar97 Man can live and satisfy his wants only by ceaseless labor; by the ceaseless application of his faculties to natural resources. This process is the origin of property. But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder.
@judyleasugar97 Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain—and since labor is pain in itself—it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can stop it. When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.
@judyleasugar97 This explains the almost universal perversion of the law. It is easy to understand how law, instead of checking injustice, becomes the invincible weapon of injustice. What are the consequences of such a perversion? In the first place, it erases from everyone’s conscience the distinction between justice and injustice.
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Read The Law by Bastiat (free download online--a short essay). Watch The Agenda (Amazon) Then get out there and suport the Restoration of America.
Ron Paul 2012
possumpistol 4 months ago
wealth redistribution and income redistribution aren't the same thing...punitive income tax rates on everything above 200k/couple entrenches the wealth of the very wealthy because no one else can get rich.
akula1085 4 months ago
obama fights for the people, congress fights for power!!!!!
LILOSHORTY 5 months ago
taxes for rich people... the new Robbin Hood?
Comunism? steal people for giving money to the poor people?
jvargas248 5 months ago
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ligonlaw 5 months ago
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We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. Politicians love visible beneficiaries & invisible victims !
There is no such thing as a good tax. Politicians are leaches, mostly !
Three groups spend other people's money: children, thieves, politicians. All three need supervision.
onstageagain 6 months ago
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"It has been a sign of the health and vitality of the right over the last forty years that it could at least produce primary challengers to moderate and establishment Republican officeholders. For the left to roll over totally for Obama, after giving Clinton a pass in 1996, would be a sign of a massive failure of conviction and imagination and nerve.
Russ Feingold or Dennis Kucinich, Robert Reich or Paul Krugman: Won’t one of you be willing to raise the progressive banner high?" --Bill Kristol
hookalakah 6 months ago
How does cutting taxes for the richest people create jobs for the rest of the US?
There the repubicans go again - favoring oil companies, other billionaires over the majority. (Obama is ALWAYS giving in to repubicans. Totally not his fault. If you can't see that you probably need to go back to first grade.)
jjlinert 7 months ago 2
@jjlinert "Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand & the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. An economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today & tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now."President John F Kennedy
BlackRepublican2010 7 months ago
@jjlinert When you cut taxes on the wealth then the wealth invests more and that helps the economy. And if you raise taxes on those "evil oil companies" you liberals love to hate then oil companies will raise prices to make up for the increase in costs. You morons who call the rich and oil companies evil are ignorant to economic reality. If you dont like rich bankers, dont put your money in banks. If you dont like rich oil executives then buy a hybrid. Stop bitching about the rich.
Jononutoob 5 months ago
@Jononutoob You are a big, dumb moron. I've seen 5 year olds smarter than you. - GE, a company that paid zero taxes, invests & has factories, & research and development facilities in China, Hungary, India, etc That is typical of most big companies. When oil companies, etc don't pay taxes, the money usually goes abroad or into some Swiss or Caribbean bank account.
If you are for the big corporations, you are against America and should go back to Iran, you stupid communist marxist.
jjlinert 5 months ago 2
@jjlinert And raising taxes on GE will do what to prices of GE products? You call me a moron yet you say because I am for big corporations and that makes me communist. Do you know what communism is? You see rich and poor and that makes you socialist. lol How do you like it?
Jononutoob 5 months ago
I pray for a Social Revolution where we can pull these scumbags out of the Halls of Congress and the Federal Reserve and have a public hanging... like the good old days. These politicians sell the American populous a bill of goods which the Media conveniently molds into public opinion. Rupert Murdoch, Politicians, Oligarchs, Elitist, Bankers... heed this warning... you're going to pay the piper with your heads in a basket.
DR. RON PAUL 2012!!THE ONLY CHOICE!!
trimetaler 8 months ago
Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman Sachs) called Obama and told him not to rise his taxes, Obama is just obeying what the owners of america order him to do.
catalinaguerrero 10 months ago
@dalecampbl6 Funny, the dems are at it again, class warfare... This problem was caused by the government, who do you think is in charge???? soros, dems are millionairs as well, they want you blind sided by class warfare, tax the rich. You are telling the rich to tax them selves. yea and how is that working? CUT GOVERNMENT CUT TAXES AND GET THE CRONY BULLSHIT OUT OF WASHINGTON
daveh69 10 months ago
I think this is great! Right, Kristybells? :D
iamdeborahbishop 1 year ago
In November 2010, the unemployment rate was 9.8% with 15.1 million unemployed. (15.1 million/9.8%) = 154 million are able to work in the workforce. 11,941,812 (or 11.9 million) skilled jobs provided to illegal immigrants. GOOGLE “illegal immigration counters”, the 15.1 million unemployed could take the 11.9 million available jobs. The unemployment rate could be reduced to 2.1% {{15.1-11.9)/154}
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Allen West 2012
Fashionificationful 1 year ago
C SPAN "Black Republican Forum" Session 2 (begin at 11:30) Allen West stated part of Amnesty of 1986 was to secure our borders and enforcement our laws, but haven't happened. (We're still talking about new amnesty like DREAM Act.) We can't allow local cities to make sanctuary cities policies, because they will bring our inner city turf wars to epic proportions by bringing in the drug cartel and Columbian gangs. (Mexican Gangs don't recognize US borders established Treaty of Guadalupe)
Fashionificationful 1 year ago
why is a stale mate even a possiblity? The point of democrats winning the election was so we can encorporate DEMOCRATIC policies...or intelligent policies. Next presidential election, ppl will see the economy hasnt gotten better, and blame Obama(democrats)...even though in reality, hes a republican, using republican party policies. ...They'll say "well democrats didnt do anything when in power so lets vote for the other side." ...Bringing in another bush to further ruin everything.
pawndominance1 1 year ago
This is the change we can believe in. He was pushing these taxes for the rich since 2008 and weeks before his flip-flop. His tough on China rhetoric was all BS too. Our govt has been effectively infiltrated. 2012 will be chaos because corporations can now donate unlimited funds to elections thanks to the Supreme Court cherry picking the case so they could reversing a century of laws. We are teetering on edge of outright facism.
brokencountry123 1 year ago
@brokencountry123 Why do the rich need to pay larger percentage of the money they work for than you or I? hell yes is full of BS on China, the man has no backbone. He is a thinker not a doer. McCain-Feingold was the law limiting corporate campaign donations and it was unconstitutional and no where near a century old. The supreme court cant cherry pick cases. They can only deliberate on cases that are brought before them. And yes we are moving toward fascism.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@brokencountry123 That’s why wall street is recovering yet unemployment remains so high. Obama is an economic fascist.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
bye bye amerika
bellacloe3315 1 year ago
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MrSteveParr 1 year ago
stop spamming judy. its annoying.
econormal 1 year ago
@econormal Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
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MrSteveParr 1 year ago
What kind of asshole would flag a direct quote from the Constitution as spam? Oh, a progressive, that’s who!
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
I would much rather have the comfort of paying my taxes, and knowing the rich are paying their share too. Obama continues to mislead and will never help the working class. He is a great liar though.
Joeybagadounuts08 1 year ago
@Joeybagadounuts08 It is not the governments roll to “help” you, only to stay out of your way and protect your rights.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr That is the point. It is not staying out of the way. It is robbing us and taking our rights.
Joeybagadounuts08 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: The Constituion states the government is there to provide for the "general welfare" of the people. If the welfare of the majority in this country, the middle class, is being threatened by the greed of a few, the government is entitled to get involved.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
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@judyleasugar97 We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice,insur domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
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@judyleasugar97 We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice,insur domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Nana2Livi 1 year ago
THANKS FIR THE MIDDLE CLASS SELL OUT
cuz4concern 1 year ago
@cuz4concern “…all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;” These words were in the Constitution when it was signed. How is one person paying 10% and another having to pay 35% uniform? And how the hell is not raising taxes on anyone selling out the middle class?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: The founding fathers were dealing with a different country than the one we've got now. At that time there were a lot of gentlemen farmers with small estates, no multi national corporations as we've got now. However, Jefferson stated his worry about "landed gentry," what's going to happen if there is little or no estate tax.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 A different world? Some principles are timeless. All men are created equal, free is mans rightful state, though shall not kill, though shall not steal (except by popular vote). 95% of millionaires in America made their money by working their collective asses off for it. If landed gentry has had 243 years to work its will and had little to no effect. Besides, again, its not congresses nor your money.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr GIVING MILLIONS TP THE RICH.... AND CRUMBS TO THE UNEMPLOYED,, WELL THEN YOU ARE WATCHING FOX NEWS TO MUCH, THIS IS BS TAX CUTS TO THE RICH....... I QUESS YOU ARE ONE OF THESE SAVING MILLS
cuz4concern 1 year ago
@cuz4concern The one thing progressives always overlook concerning taxes is the fact that its someone else’s money. This was one our the founding principles. Not taking more of someone’s money is not the same as giving that person money.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
Mike Pence, Roy Blount, Michelle Bachman.
threeddd33 1 year ago
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destroyEVILamerica 1 year ago
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destroyEVILamerica 1 year ago
Tax the rich indeed. You could take 100% of the money of the “rich” and even harvest their organs and it still would not touch the lustful spending demands of Marxian Democrats. But as they have known since FDR and the halcyon days of the ’30s, the real money is in the middle class worker’s pocket – just make them think you are “soaking the rich”. Brilliant strategy if you can continue the deception.
dkkght46 1 year ago
Couldn't happen to a nicer crew. We now know what these people are: Marxist-Leninists in Democrat clothing. Liberalism is an addiction (to others’ money) that knows no bounds now and modern Democrats have crossed the line. Their abusive tyrrany over the last two years has clearly demonstrated to all, even “independents”, that these characters are members in an ongoing criminal enterprise determined to take down the Constitution and dismantle the United States of America.
dkkght46 1 year ago
@dkkght46
HEAR HEAR!!!
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
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destroyEVILamerica 1 year ago
@destroyEVILamerica I’ll urn world peace sideways and shove it up your ass. Our homes are protected by the good Lord and guns. You come on and pick a fight and you will meet both of them.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
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destroyEVILamerica 1 year ago
The problem with the Obama and Mcconnel compromise is that the Republicans engineered a lot of dangerous things into it. Take the fact that it has a small tax that will eventually undermine Social Security. This is exactly what the Republicans want -- to force the privatization of Social Security so those Wall Streeters can get their hands on the 2 trillion dollars in the Social Security fund. And that's only one of the problems in this compromise. I support fillibuster!
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97
Obama is a republican.
There was no compromise.
There were no democrats in that room where the "compromise" was reached.
There were only republicans and 2 Jew bankers (Geitner, Summers) in that room.
There are never democrats in that room.
Only the super wealthy.
Wikileaks is threated by these people every day.
Their power comes from their secrecy. Like the Supreme court hacks.
cmfluteguy 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 A person who started working at 18 (1963) and retired this year at 65 would have done better placing the money the invested into SocSec in the stock market. No privatization of SocSec is not the objective. Putting your contributions into an account for YOU and getting the money out of the general operating fund (where a democrat put it) is the plan. Or did you not know they spend SocSec money on… everything?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: Privatizing Social Security is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. Just what happened recently in the stock market tells you, private companies can't be counted on to return investments. Govt run Social Security is necessary for security.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 The is NO viable plan for investing SocSec money into the stock market. SocSec used to be in an account all by its self until Lyndon Johnson along with a democrat controlled house and senate moved it into the general operating fund. Guess what? THEY SPENT IT ALL!!!! If ANY business EVER ran a pension system the way SS operates someone would be going to prison. There is a viable plan to put part of the money YOU pay in an account under YOUR name that no one but you can touch.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: There's 2 trillion dollars in the Social Security fund. How long do you think the public would hang on to that money if they were allowed to invest in Wall Street? This is all a scam by Wall Street to get their hands on the money! I prefer the govt keep control of it.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 You do understand that a filibuster would have everyone trying to survive on minimum wage paying 50% increase in income taxes right? You really want to step on the necks of struggling Americans? This is the best deal we are going to get. BTW a meeting of Dems in Washington last month and the topic on the table, the viability of seizing all IRAs and 401Ks to shore up SocSec. You say the Repubs are trying to get at $2 tril? The Dems are looking at stealing over 6.5 trill.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: There is 2 trillion in the Social Security fund, it doesn't need "shoring up." In 2 years most likely the same thing will happen again, the Republicans will hold the American public hostage and say the wealthy have to have their tax cuts, at the same time continuing to reduce what average families get from the govt. You consider that a solution? I'd like to hear a practical solution from you.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Get from the government? Do you know how asinine hat is? They are not getting a tax cut they just aren’t having their taxes go up and its their money. Not yours, not mine and not the governments. A persons income and wealth represents a significant portion of their life and you had better have a damn good reason to relieve them of it. People earning over $200,000 already carry 95% of the income tax burden. How much of the load do you shoulder.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: People get social security from the govt. They get unemployment benefits. Plus much more. The Republicans are looking to cut out all these programs for the middle class. The wealthy who financed their campaigns, well, that's different.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Ok so when the Dems run out of rich people to soak who will they soak next? You because your a dumbass borg who believes and follows their every word. A sap will always be a sap. This is the most unconstitutional congress for all time. Democratic Party gave us the Ku Klux Klan, Black Codes, Jim Crow Laws and other repressive legislation which resulted in the multitude of murders, lynchings, mutilations, and intimidations. Now its class warfare and Fuck the President!
dkkght46 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 You keep saying 2 trillion like “that has to be enough”. From the (republican rag) Washington Post “…the Obama administration reported Tuesday that the financial condition of the two largest federal benefit programs, Medicare and Social Security, had deteriorated, in part because of the recession. As a result, the administration said,
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 the Medicare fund that pays hospital bills for older Americans is expected to run out of money in 2017. The Social Security trust fund will be exhausted in 2037”.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Or are you one of those people that “gets” stuff from the government? The fact that you have no clue that SocSec is a breath away from paying out more than withholdings bring in leads me to believe that you know just enough about the adult world to be a dangerous when at a voting booth. My boss is one of the people the Dems want to raise taxes on. Why would he give me a raise if he is bringing home less?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr judyleasugar gets her morning socialist democrat talking points via email. What a shameless democratic whore! She has yet to realize that Social Security has been the Dem lock box/party fund for years and has stolen it blind. She will understand when she decides to retire to nothing! Wait until they come after her 401K plan next!
dkkght46 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: I support myself. It is a Republican myth that Social Security is in trouble. There is 2 trillion in the fund. If Obama's compromise passes, that might change.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Sorry not the Washington Post it was the (equaly rightwing) N.Y. Times.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 People making min wage are about to have to be paying about $65 more a month and you really don’t care. All you progressives are so concerned about how much money the rich have but no one is talking about how much the poor have. How many diapers does $65 buy? $65 a month and they still have to put gas in the car. But that’s not important, what is important is making sure those evil rich people pay their (100%) fair share.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: I'm still waiting to hear a practical solution for this from you. In 2 years the Republicans will be singing the same tune, trying to force another extension.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 There is no painless way of dealing with this situation. We have hell coming and guess whos fault it is? Its yours. Yours, mine, that guy over there, his sister, my 2nd grade teacher. Our founders warned us against letting the federal government get this big and this is why. Have you ever read “The Federalist Papers”? Do you know what they are? This is why the senate is supposed to represent the state governments and not the people… again.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 BIG cuts in spending is the only solution.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: Cuts in what spending? You people never want to cut back on war or what's handed to the very wealthy which they absolutely DON'T need right now. The 2 percent wealthiest are holding the middle class hostage! All over a few percent in their taxes. In 2 years I'm sure they'll be asking for more. Did it ever occur to you these people are mentally ill? How many tens of billions do these peole "need"? Does it ever end??? Meanwhile the middle class get poorer and poorer . . .
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Read The Law by Bastiat and then read Atlas Shrugged by Ian Rand and then read Democracy In America by Alexis de Tocqueville and then read Lives of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence by Benson J. Lossing and then read They Think You Are Stupid by Herman Cain and then read The Fairtax by Neal Boortz and then rethink everything you think you know.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: Why don't you read anything by Thomas Jefferson or FDR?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 The key #1 step to fixing this is major spending cuts. #2 is restructuring of the tax code as to make the U.S. more competitive internationally and so that morons cant use it to punish success.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: Okay. Let's cut out the REAL spending here: the unnecessary wars, the tax cuts to the very wealthy which they DON'T need. You people go after the small potatoes.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Our founders put into the constitution a clause that states all taxes shall be uniform and this is the exact reason. They knew that the wicked would use an escalating tax system would be used as a vote buying machine. Its not enough that the $200,000+ club are already shouldering 95% of the load and the 47% of wage earners pay nothing. No, those evil, filthy, disgusting, rich people need to pay their fair share and if you vote for me I will make sure they do.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Not only that but I will take that rich persons blood money and I will pass a law giving subsidies to low income families and single mothers for day car assistance. What was your total tax liability for 2009? Do you even know? I bet you know how much your return check was for. I earned $86000 and paid $14000 in taxes. My boss earned $267000 and paid $93000. If you get your wish my taxes will go up $5000 and my bosses will go up over $10000. A few percent?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Not only that but I will have no shot at a raise next year. There are millions of people in this country that are in the exact same position and you hope the Dems make this scenario a reality? Well marry Christmas and happy new year to you to. This is why all taxes are supposed to be uniform. So people like you cant vote for people like them. Asking for more? ITS THEIR MONEY!
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. - Thomas Jefferson
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.- Thomas Jefferson
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Here... will be preserved a model of government, securing to man his rights and the fruits of his labor, by an organization constantly subject to his own will. -Thomas Jefferson
The most sacred of the duties of a government is to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens.-Thomas Jefferson (how is an escalating tax scale equal or impartial?)
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 An equal application of law to every condition of man is fundamental.-Thomas Jefferson (I don’t see an escalating income tax scale as being “equal application of the law”)
Agriculture, manufactures, commerce and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise.-Thomas Jefferson
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: Equal? The very wealthy actually pay a LOWER percentage of income tax because of the all the loopholes they employ. Exxon Mobil paid NO INCOME TAX last year!
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 We are talking about personal income taxes here not corporate taxes. The bottom 47% of wage earners actually pay no income taxes at all. They have money taken out but they get it all back plus some (refundable tax credit). BTW, I will let you in on a little secret. Corporations don’t pay taxes. Sure they right huge quarterly tax checks to the Fed but where does McDonalds, Exxon, Old Navy, that quaint little bakery down the street,
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 your corner book store, ect, ect, where do you think they get their money from? Us! All taxes associated with commerce get passed off to the end consumer. that’s the only way a company can be profitable. If a company is not profitable then it is short-lived.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr said: "If a company is not profitable then it is short-lived."
Unless you're not profitable with a massive Union voting block, then you can stay in business forever.
threeddd33 1 year ago
@threeddd33: When Eisenhower was in office the wealthy were taxed 90 percent and yet industry flourished. The very wealthy don't need this money! In fact many billionaires like Bill Gates have said they don't want this money because it will harm the country.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 said: "The very wealthy don't need this money."
1) That's what bank robbers say.
2) Bill Gates can always give his money away if he doesn't want it.
threeddd33 1 year ago
@threeddd33: The wealthiest 2 percent are destroying this country. Things can't continue unless those who portion that much wealth for themselves contribute a little. Pretty soon they won't have a country they would want to live in. It's called being penny wise and pound foolish.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 WTF are you talking about? If I make 20k and pay 15%, I pay 3k, and they make 20 million @ 35%, they pay 7 million. Now which of the two of us are going to hire someone? And to top that off the get the "privilege" of paying taxes on the same money when they die.
You say Bill Gates doesn't want his money, but did you notice he put in a 'Tax-Exempt' charity instead of cutting a check to the Government? You know why? Because the Gov will piss it away.
threeddd33 1 year ago
@threeddd33: No. They employ tax loopholes and off shore accounts to get out of paying much of it. Many loopholes in fact in Bush's tax cuts. Gates is still opposed to further cutting taxes to the wealthy.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Gates is still opposed huh? Buffett too? But yet they can't bring themselves to just cut an extra check for 4.6% to the Government. You do know they won't turn it down right? Loopholes huh? Then why didn't we see a bill out of the Democrat Congress getting rid of the loopholes instead of one to kick the rate up?
threeddd33 1 year ago
@threeddd33: People like you think you're so smart. Doesn't matter if you think you can logically defend your position, mentally finesse your way around it. IT DOESN'T WORK. Look around you. The big Republican experiment of the last 30 years DOESN'T WORK!
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 ROFL........LOL.......HoHo..............You haven't figured it out yet. We finance both the Democrats and the republicans run for office. And when they get to thinking to much of themselves we finance the radicals, socialists and communists. LOL It does work. Just doesn't work for you. ROFL
Buzzz2221 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 It does work. What has happened in Europe for decades (see Greece) and in America the last couple of years, doesn't work. You can't print money forever, and the price of food and other necessities in the next few years will show you that. Austerity works, and even the dullard Obama can figure out that Independents aren't going to settle for it any longer. I'm Independent, not Republican... and as you can see from the 2010 midterm, the majority of us don't like it.
threeddd33 1 year ago
@threeddd33: You are tyring to confuse the issue. For the last 2 years the Democrats have been trying to clean up Bush's mess, and beyond that the mess that goes back to Regan policies. The Republican agenda doesn't work! Austerity? For who? I don't see the wealthy tightening their belts! You say you're independent, what candidates do you support?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 said: "You say you're independent, what candidates do you support?"
None you'd vote for I'm sure.... fiscal conservatives. Socially, I could care less about most issues as long as it doesn't interfere with fiscal conservatism.
threeddd33 1 year ago
@threeddd33: Why don't you name a few?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 You do know that the bottom 50% of wage earners pay 3% of the income tax burden and the the top 1% of wage earners pay over 1/3 of all income taxes AND 43% of total revenue the government suck out of our economy comes from income taxes AND 47% of the $200,000+ “billionaires“ club are small business owners? How are the rich not paying enough? What was your total tax liability last year? Are you shouldering your share?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: They pay more because they have most of the money, duh. Sorry, but this country doesn't run on nothing. You want this country to fall apart?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 You tell em.
Buzzz2221 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 No, I want this country to run the pay it is supposed to. The way its founders intended. No, if the wealthy disappeared tomorrow and there were no captains of industry, no wealth creators life in America would be chaos until other people of the mind stepped up and took their place. The reason the wealthy are so is because they are smarter than the rest of us, you included.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr She's the type that would try to negotiate their kids sports game to a tie before the game started.... but also have a bumper sticker saying my kid is an A student.
threeddd33 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 We could take the wealth of our entire nation and divide it equally among every one and the people that HAD wealth yesterday would have it all back in 10 years because they have better decision making skills.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: They're better at taking advantage of people. Maybe they have less morality, think of that?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 What could be of lower morality that using the force of government to rob from one and give to another?
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” - George Washington
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: And yet George Washington helped create a government. Apparently you are not giving your comment context.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 "I can only say that I have contributed towards the organization and administration of the Government the best exertions of which a very fallible judgment was capable". - George Washington 1796
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." from Common Since by Thomas Paine our founder were dealing with an oppressive government that took far more than it needed from the pockets of the people. I don’t see our world as being all that different.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference. _ Thomas Jefferson
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. -Thomas Jefferson how is tax the rich more “equal”?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: In that case are you people willing to go to bat for the rights of gays?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Who people?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. _ Thomas Jefferson
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParrJefferson said that BEFORE the existence of multi national corporations. You use quotes that don't fit the context.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 “I see,… and with the deepest affliction, the rapid strides with which the federal branch of our government is advancing towards the usurpation of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic; and that, too, by constructions which, if legitimate,
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 leave no limits to their power… It is but too evident that the three ruling branches of [the Federal government] are in combination to strip their colleagues, the State authorities, of the powers reserved by them, and to exercise themselves all functions foreign and domestic.” –Thomas Jefferson
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: You haven't provided proof that the Govt in any way inhibits the States.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 For one the Senate is supposed to represent the state legislature not the people of the respective states.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 10th amendment-The powers no delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Our nation WAS set up so that the majority of governance to be at the state and local level. That way We the People had more control over government. It is a known fact that the larger government becomes the less liberties its people enjoy. This is 1+1=2 type stuff.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: Simply stating "It is a known fact" doesn't prove it.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 The fact is that there is but one way to avoid paying income tax and that is to be paid in cash under the table. Though the taxes are still being paid because the person or company paying you in cash cant show the money as an expense.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 The average life of a democracy is 200 years. In those 200 years a series of event unfolds thusly.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 The common denominator is that from liberty back around to courage (revolution) the size and scope of government grows.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 What stage do you think we are at? I say between apathy and dependence.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 And you have not provided us with any of these “loopholes” to avoid paying income taxes that you claim the “rich” use.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: Your position is that loopholes don't exist? How naive is that?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 No, he is saying that he wants you to prove your assertion that the tax cuts exist. Simply saying they exist is not enough. You make the claim and therefore carry the burden of proof.
Nana2Livi 1 year ago
@Nana2Livi: Prove that tax cust exist? Huh? You make no sense.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 No, prove that loopholes to avoid paying you prescribed income tax rate exist
Nana2Livi 1 year ago
@Nana2Livi: Are you that naive and stupid or are you just trying to annoy me? Everyone on God's earth knows there are tax loopholes for the wealthy.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Prove it
Nana2Livi 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Simply saying “everyone on God’s green earth knows” doesn’t prove it.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 I see you have met my mother (Nana). She grew up in a housing project in Marietta, Ga until she was 14 and retired this year with 1.3 million in savings and investments. She did it with a high school education.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: She must know a lot about avoiding taxes then.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 No, she just knows a lot about working hard, living below her means and saving. She was going to retire in 2008 but she put it off for two years so that her 401K could recoup.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: I own a business and I've been working hard since I was 15. But I think they need to raise taxes on the wealthy so there will be a decent country for my daughter to live in. The infrastructure is crumbling.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 We wouldn’t have to even think about raising taxes on anyone if we would stop doing stupid stuff like spending $800 billion on a stimulus package that created a net 0 permanent jobs. $2.6 million to make sure prostitutes in China consume less alcohol while working. $117,876 for the three-year study on the use of ecstasy, LSD and other “party drugs” in Porto Alegre, Brazil.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: How about not spending a trillion dollars on unnecessary wars? At least the stimulus saved us from another great Depression. How about not handing billions to billionaires who don't need it? Talk about wasteful spending.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Federal employees wasted at least $146 million over a one-year period in business- or first-class airline tickets. If we keep bilking the rich then there will most definitely be no America for your child. The top 5% of wage earners ($160K+) already pay 59% of the income tax burden. In other words, the top 5% pay more than the bottom 95% combined.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: "Bilking" the rich? Oh, I feel so sorry for them. You forget to mention the economy is in the shape it's in because of the criminal activities of the 2 percent wealthiest! They're billing us for killing us. How about the top wealthy paying their workers a living wage? Benefits?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Government drawing distinctions between groups, races and gender will be the end of America. Though well intentioned as most progressives are it will be those good intentions that tear this nation down. Just like they did in Rome and Greece. Scenario - lynch mob in front of a jail in the deep south. An escaped slave accused of rape is locked inside. The mob wants to hang him now. “Give us that nigger, we gonna string’em up!”
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 The sheriff and his deputy stand resolute in front of the door. “Law says he gets a trial” the sheriff says. “We know he did it! Give’em up!” The sheriff replies “Law also says I get to shoot anybody try’n bring harm to my prisoner.” Tell me Judy, who are the republicans and who are the democrats in that scenario?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: How about the 2 percent wealthiest paying their workers a living wage? Benefits?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
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@judyleasugar97 Tell me Judy, who are the republicans and who are the democrats in that scenario?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
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@judyleasugar97 Tell me Judy, who are the republicans and who are the democrats in that scenario?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 It’s OK, I knew you wouldn’t answer this question because you couldn’t choose between island-A and island-B. The use of logic is contrary to your political ideology. What it all comes down to is the rule of man (mob rule) vs. the rule of law. The mob in front of the jail represents the rule of man (democracy). The sheriff and his deputy represent the rule of law (republic).
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Life, liberty and property do not exist because man has made law. These things existed before and caused men to make the first laws. Each of us has a natural right—from God—to defend his person, his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 For what are our faculties but the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an extension of our faculties? Every person has the right to defend his/her person, liberty, and property, then a group of people has the right to organize a common force to protect these rights. Thus the principle of collective right—its reason for existing, is based on individual right.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups. Such a perversion of force would be, in both cases, contrary to our premise.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Unfortunately, law by no means confines itself to its proper functions and when it over reaches it does so in direct contradiction to its self. The use of law to legitimize plunder for stupid greed and false philanthropy. There tendency that is common among people. When they can, they wish to live and prosper at the expense of others.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 The annals of history bear witness to the truth of it: the incessant wars, mass migrations, religious persecutions, slavery, dishonesty in commerce, and monopolies. This fatal desire has its origin in the very nature of man—in that primitive, universal, and insuppressible instinct that impels him to satisfy his desires with the least possible pain.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Man can live and satisfy his wants only by ceaseless labor; by the ceaseless application of his faculties to natural resources. This process is the origin of property. But it is also true that a man may live and satisfy his wants by seizing and consuming the products of the labor of others. This process is the origin of plunder.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Now since man is naturally inclined to avoid pain—and since labor is pain in itself—it follows that men will resort to plunder whenever plunder is easier than work. History shows this quite clearly. And under these conditions, neither religion nor morality can stop it. When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 This explains the almost universal perversion of the law. It is easy to understand how law, instead of checking injustice, becomes the invincible weapon of injustice. What are the consequences of such a perversion? In the first place, it erases from everyone’s conscience the distinction between justice and injustice.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 In order to make plunder appear just and sacred to many consciences, it is only necessary for the law to decree and sanction it.
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@MrSteveParr: Are you talking about the multi national corporations? They are plunderers in a very real sense.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 How?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 “Are you talking about the multi national corporations? They are plunderers in a very real sense“. How?
MrSteveParr 1 year ago