Violence against Transsexuals MUST not be excused in any way.

[CpsLock3]

something that Jerry Springer taught me. If he loves the person you pretend to be it's not real love.

[darksideofthenation]

@CpsLock3

The public education must have failed you if you take lessons from Jerry Springer.

[CpsLock3]

@darksideofthenation I barley watch Jerry springar since there's alot of bullshit on tv now like captian save a hoe Dr. Phil. You can blaim political correctness from that part.

[darksideofthenation]

@CpsLock3

You are a bigot and i am going to block you. Take care

[CpsLock3]

@darksideofthenation Plus Jerry was a Mayor once so give him some respect.

[biggsleezy]

ADVICE TO TRANSSEXUALS: If you're attracted to someone, just let him/her know your are transexual, it's for your on good, it's best to love someone that knows and appreciates your identity. Even if talking against transsexual violence won't end this, you should have the confidence to not tolerate a person who don't adore your kind just because of how you were born. Also, if a man is homophobic, then don't be suprised if he's transphobic.

[itzyourcrayons]

@biggsleezy lol, transsexual people do not need your silly little pep talk. it is deranged psychopaths that needs a pep talk about murdering people because of their ignorant ideals about gender and sex.

[biggsleezy]

@itzyourcrayons don't get me wrong I'm not saying murdering transsexuals because of their birth gender is justified, what I'm saying is that there are reasons why a person has to know your birth gender before getting into a relationship i.e. having children. There's nothing wrong with thinking that you were born in the wrong body, but when it comes to sexual relationships some partners value both body and mind, naturally.

[itzyourcrayons]

@biggsleezy Are you kidding me with this same ol' same ol' bullshit? just like a broken record, so cliche'. Just admit this has nothing to do with fertility you silly little man. This is about invalidating trans-people's identity in order to rationalize an irrational fear of homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with being an ignorant prick, just understand that we are not obliged to assume everyone is. Those with an issue are the ones responsible for disclosing their prejudices before hand.

[biggsleezy]

@itzyourcrayons Look I'm just trying to help OK, you don't have to be insultive about it. And yes to most, if not some people fertility and gene does matter, I'm talking out of experience.

"There's nothing wrong with being an ignorant prick, just understand that we are not obliged to assume everyone is..." are you referring to me, tell me what makes me ignorant?. I've heard stories about a man murdering their GF because they were TG.

[itzyourcrayons]

@biggsleezy I'm sorry if you feel insulted, i'm just being blunt. It's like I said before, you can help by directing your talk towards deranged homicidal psychopaths, they're the ones who need it, not us. and no, that statement you quoted was not in reference to you in specific. I'm sure to some shallow assholes, a "woman's fertility" or "genes" as you call it matters. I'm just saying, A.) they're responsible for stating their preferences up front, and B.) it's not worth killing over.

[biggsleezy]

@itzyourcrayons Like I said, I'm not saying it's worth killing over, but sometimes it's best to just best be on the safe side. If someone you like has an attraction towards you and you intentionally appear like a female then he'll probably think you were born that way when it's not true, and he might like you so much that he may think of 'impregnating' you to start a family, given the right conditions. Even if it did end violently, do you really think his love would be the same.

[itzyourcrayons]

@biggsleezy Again, this is about invalidating our identity. You are under the delusion that we are less than or fake, a delusion people with a trans-history are going to want to protect themselves from by choosing not to acknowledge such bullshit. You are not helping us by telling us we need to buy into this delusion. We're not obliged to hold ourselves under this delusion. What's best is for our society to become educated, not telling US to sub-come to delusions to "be on the safe side."

[biggsleezy]

@itzyourcrayons I hate to say 'fake' but then again, how is that a delusion?, I mean I can understand between gender and sex, I understand that you don't have to have a vagina to wear a skirt or have an obsession with makeup, or a penis to have short hairstyles or an obsession for violent and sexually explicit media, but average trans people e.g MTF they not only want to be feminine but try to CHANGE their body features with the intention of being called Women, when both acts aren't the same.

[itzyourcrayons]

@biggsleezy @biggsleezy How the hell do you call urself helping a group of people you dont know a damn thing about? transsexualism is a legitimate medical condition described as a congenital incongruity between gender-identity and sex. Those expericing such a circumstance seek to align and correct. If from this, you can't understand how your ignorant idea that we're some kind of sham or impersonation is delousional, then understand that you do not know enough to be giving us advice.

[biggsleezy]

@itzyourcrayons You know what, I'm not a transsexual so then again I really shouldn't care, I just wanted to give my say coz I find pre-ops attractive and I don't really care about genes, even if that wheren't the case, I just like the idea of peace. Let them do what they want at their own risk.

[itzyourcrayons]

@biggsleezy

"...at their own risk?"

mentally disabled people like you make me laugh.

[biggsleezy]

@itzyourcrayons yes, I'm 'mentally disabled', even when I refuse to argue further because I don't know what it's like to be a transsexual. I could be responding to your insults but then again it would be a waste of time, rather than trying to learn stuff with an open mind.

[biggsleezy]

@itzyourcrayons correction: I said "....Even if it did end violently....", I meant "didn't"

[darksideofthenation]

@itzyourcrayons

damn right.

[itzyourcrayons]

@darksideofthenation great video!

[DJRedMEDIA]

The transsexuals and homosexuals will eventually die off in the human race due to a process called evolution. So why do some of you even care. Just tolerate it for now.

[mzhangeloregon]

regardless who and what you may be no one,, and i mean no one should play god!! i am a ts and legally female... i don't have lie and i could care less what people have to say about me let it come to people i care for, family and the underdog, i crack skulls!!! really what year is it? do we need more violence? anything else to kill us off? there was enough hate and cancers in the world already,,, just saying!

[luigisilverio]

in this day and age your government keeps killings tousands of people for not being han and commie, so shut up! In China you'd be executed for being a transexual.

[DarylWashingtonV4]

You got to let them know when you meet them if its romantic involvement!

[Rev1vedR0manEmp1re]

she might have helped him get some tattoos on his face if he hadn't killed her

or maybe some more ink on his hands?

[LadySierraSays]

I agree about the no-violence stuff like you say , but the facts are this is a violent world & society,etc. my point is that especially TG women pre-op whatever ? to avoid this type of thing need to choose more wisely & always be up-front to they partners about they gender Identity status , have a sorta " By the way I'm a ??? , chat first ... did she do that ? I think not , and when the guy got the surprise he went bullistic , murder tho is unacceptabe , but it is a real risk for TS's

[nochokin]

he knew she was tranny like you said,....he didnt go crazy....he was dumb ass killer...and i hope he is in jail forever....taking long fat cock up his ass

[nikkinteddy]

IM SO SICK OF PEOPLE KILLING TRANSGENDERS IT MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH. tHEY ARE ALL HUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!! GOD. WHO AGREES WITH ME?

[womanwheart]

I AGREE 100%

[justicegang]

I don't :D sorry I'm with the bible

[jdfox1]

Good video. I have known several trans - gendered people, and they were without a doubt some of the sweetest people i've ever known. Unreal what some idiots will do when they feel their "masuclinity" threatened. These aren't men...a real man doesn't have to prove anything by harming others unprovoked. These men are just losers.  Interesting video, thank you.

[Coolins335]

Murder is murder, but the victim showed a serious lack of judgement and had to have expected an extreme reaction from someone who was not gay.

You're allowed to have anti-gay opinions, this does not excuse his actions but had the victim been up front about his/her gender the murder would not have taken place.

Also it looks like you're coming around to supporting the war in Afghanistan, regardless of your preface that you still don't support it, the content of your words contradicts this.

[LadySierraSays]

@Coolins335 and thats the main point , its like buying a car with no brakes , she handled it poorly and sadly it cost her , her life , good comment on subject !!!

[jussts]

"Why do you minimize the emotional effect that this deception had on this guy."

Maybe because his emotional state would likely return to normal eventually but dead people don't come back to life? Just a thought.

"You always rationalize, and leave out the emotional side. For many, this would be an event where their emotions overpower their reason."

I don't care how upset you get, it's no reason to murder someone.

[darksideofthenation]

For you, she "was actually a guy". Maybe you just need to stop being ignorant and prejudical. Than you would not be able to rationalize this act of murdering.

[willquinteros]

His considering a person born with the traits of a specific gender, the gender they were when they were born in relation to sexual activities is not "ignorant" or "prejudicial". You are vey quick to label him but have you have a problem with HIS labels. Irony? Ignorance? Prejudice? I could say the same to you.

[darksideofthenation]

In order to NOT be ignorant, one must realize that gender is between the ears, not between the legs.

[willquinteros]

This is opinion. One must be ignorant not to recognize your opinion does not constitute fact.

[willquinteros]

The ability to reproduce is a telltale sign of gender in a potential partner to a lot of straights. Who are you to tell them they are wrong? Honesty is the best policy:)

[darksideofthenation]

Well, the good thing is that things are not what they always appear to be. Human's identity should not be totally based on the superficial.

[teneovestriexsisto]

There can be no excuse for taking the life of another................NONE!

[tenebroust]

I guess you'd have a right to be mad and maybe even becoming somewhat violent if that person LIED and hid the fact that they were not as they appeared, but killing? No way. How bad is it really?? Bad enough to kill someone?? I think not. It's not an excuse that I agree with. But I oppose "hate laws", it is thought crime.

[darksideofthenation]

It's not thought crime. There are simply too many hatred out there dedicated to a small minority of people who are already suffering from discrimination, trans people is one fo them. And these crimes need to be addressed or else the small minority of trans people will never be able to have a chance at a decent life if their communities are continually threatened without any special attention.

[rambaron]

In an increased emotional state all of us, but especially men are capable of some of the dumbest and horrible acts. This may have not been a hate crime at all, just an overblown reaction to something extremely shocking which most men have a profound fear of. If in an unemotional situation had provoked this situation, than it would most certainly be a hate crime, but with what she did to him, he would most likely feel a profound and terrible breach of trust and betrayal.

[rambaron]

Right or wrong, between the sensual kissing and the grabbing for the fire extinguisher, his brain was most likely unable to analyze the situation fully thus crime of passion and may not after all have been one motivated by hate or prejudice.

[rambaron]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm a douche. Today I have some more free time and can read more about it, alright, it was certainly a hate crime. But more than getting a harsh sentence I hope he understands he took something beautiful from this earth and overcomes his prejudice. I also just realized that my last 4 responses are sort of scattered around these series of replies stupid youtube.

[willquinteros]

I agree. Good point.

[sounjoo]

This poor lad was probably so horrified that he went temporarily insane, therefore he can't be guilty The transsexual was responsible since she/he/it tricked the guy. This poor lad is probably still traumatized. Only another transsexual would think it was his fault.

[darksideofthenation]

Yean, that poor motherfucker.

[willquinteros]

I could never condone murder but the tranny was playing Russian roulette. Being transsexual is not a choice but deceiving a victim who would otherwise never touch a man to sleep with one is definitely a form of rape. Would you be this up in arms if a woman murdered a man raping her?

[darksideofthenation]

From her point of view, she did consider herself as a woman. She wasn't deceiving anyone. She did not disclose preceisely because of the violence and prejudices and discrimination transsexuals face on a regular basis.

You can disagree with her not telling, but it's not a deception, and its not rape most importantly.

[willquinteros]

"From her point of view". How about his point of view? "She wasn't deceiving anyone"? Whether or not you agree with how Transsexuals are perceived by straight men or women that does not mean you get to dictate what is deception. His definition of what a woman is differs from yours, who are you to say he is wrong? He WAS deceived and i suspect that this is the reason the transsexual wasent up front about it...because they knew it would not be received well and decided to proceed regardless.

[darksideofthenation]

He can have his point of view all he wants, the worse he gets is that he would be with someone who has a penis. The transsexual is the one who has suffered a life history of discrimination, marginalization and abuse, and HER identity should be HER choice to disclose or not.

[willquinteros]

"worse he gets is that he would be with someone who has a penis" ?!?!? Do you not think that this form of sexual assault and the mental anguish it causes is an extraordinarily monstrous act on the part of the Transsexual? Its not like the guy went looking for a transsexual to hurt, he was victimized by a predator. Transexuals do deal with "discrimination, marginalization and abuse" but why does he have to cash that cheque?

[darksideofthenation]

If you see the killer as a victim, i really do not have anything to say to you. You obviously have no experience what sexual assault really means, or what it is like to be marginalized and live with danger all your life. :)

[willquinteros]

Murder is wrong. So is deception in order to have sex at the expense of another. Surly you grasp this.

[darksideofthenation]

I agree that the transsexual should disclose when she is already having sex with another man. It wasn't wise and it wasn't safe I am not too concerned about the issue of deception. People simply need to get over their homophobia and transphobia, and realize that women come in all shape and form. Penis is just another piece of flesh after all.

In terms of which is more wrong, not telling or murdering someone, i would go with murdering someone.

Forgive me if i dont shed a tears for the killer.

[willquinteros]

I know what sexual assault is. I have seen the effects on straight males who have been conned into sexual activities with transsexual predators. I guess that pain is nothing since transsexuals have their own pain? Weird logic to me. If this transsexual was honest there would be two less victims in your story:)

[darksideofthenation]

If we live in an honest society, we would be honest about the prejudices so many people face and we would do something about it, instead of pretending its not there and than lashing out on victims when they are not doing everything they can to protect those with privileged who live in the  mainstream society.

[willquinteros]

Who is pretending the prejudices dont exist? Im not "lashing out" at the victim. I simply stated the truth that the man in your story was deceived in order for the other party to achieve sexual gratification and thus also is a victim. How can you not think the transsexual put themselves in danger? And you seem to state that because transsexuals deal with prejudice they somehow have cart blanshe to be dishonest with potential partners. Honesty is the best policy:) Would have saved a life.

[darksideofthenation]

You know what else would save a life? If the killer wasn't such a douchebag who decided to kill another person for being who they are. I am glad he got a life sentence.

:)

I am glad you realize prejudices exist, now hopefully you will go do something about it.

[willquinteros]

I didnt suggest lying is worse than murder so the last comment is a little confusing:) And BTW i agree with alot of what you said about homophobia but its clear that he didnt "to kill another person for being who they are". He was enraged because he was manipulated into a scenario he would never have otherwise consented too. There is a big difference.

[willquinteros]

I have nothing against transsexuals but I find your defense of a transsexual deceiving potential partners disturbing. It may be HER identity but the moment SHE decided to become intimate with a man who clearly considers themselves straight and kept the truth from him, SHE became a sexual predator. Like it or not the man in your story is absolutely a victim too.

[darksideofthenation]

You have nothing against transsexuals, but obviously you have a poor understanding of the lives these people lead and how many complex issues they have to deal with when it comes to other people and the whole society questioning and rejecting their legitimacy as men or women.

[willquinteros]

People have a right to know about their partner. Under the law they get to change identity but that does not mean every person HAS to accept them as a potential partner. I believe you like the idea of freedom when it suits you. What about others freedoms? And again, just because they live difficult existence does not give them the right to rob other of THEIR FREEDOM to choose.

[darksideofthenation]

And everyone has the FREEDOM to LIVE.

[willquinteros]

Being manipulated into sex that you wouldn't normally consent too is most certainly a form of sexual assault.

[reddeath26]

While that is true, the way they responded was well and truly over the top. It was a completely unjustified response.

[rambaron]

I disagree with charging the man with a hate crime or almost anybody this day and age only because of the context in which that law was created. The reason the courts adopted hate crime laws is because in many states the local law saw crimes against blacks or gays as acceptable compared to those same acts against white people. Therefore the courts made crimes against minorities more severe in order to emphasize that violence against minorities is the same as violence against whites.

[rambaron]

Plus I think its hypocritical for a homophonic society to make an example of someone for displaying the values which they freely promote, it just seems to be a way for society to disassociate themselves with him rather than reflect inward and see their parallels. Lets also not forget the cerebral cortex in a male which in a moment of panic acts on instinct rather than an analysis of an actions consequence.

[rambaron]

Sure looking at it from the outside I see only victims, I also see his act as deplorable but also sympathize with this man, I could have just as easily panicked too, and dont know what my actions would have been. He could easily be a man, who regularly is tolerant, but a fear of those who are different is so deeply sown into all of us anybody may be capable of this sort of act.

[darksideofthenation]

dont include me into this. I am not capable of killing someone and strucking them twice with a fire extinguisher no matter what their body looks like.

[darksideofthenation]

well, from what i understand. Hate crime laws also collect statistics, and it allows the police to track down a specific type of crime marginalizating minority communities that are already vulnerable. So i think it is quite necessarily, to make a point to keep track of these hate crimes targeted at certain people.

[rambaron]

Most cases of violence against another individual is a hate crime no matter the color, I cant be sure how great the race bias is within some law enforcement but in an ideal society they shouldnt have to determine the charges based on what race or minority attacked another. Also, unless you are only astatically a woman I wasnt talking about you. But there is a lot of baggage behind most guy's relationships with other penises, and this girl should have known better.

[rambaron]

I would hope that I myself wouldnt react the same in such a situation as I have a friend whom is still in transition since the age of 36 so I have no problems with it, I even feel badly for pointing this out as I cant help but think that by doing so slightly discredits her femininity as I only know her as she. Still sex and violence are so entwined as my (male) brains stimulation of either are synonymous to the same area allowing for radical transitions of attitude and action.

[darksideofthenation]

Those who are aesthetically females are crossdressers, not transsexuals.

Anyways, are you speaking from experience?

[rambaron]

I don't know if you read my other comments later on but I apologized for being wrong. I assumed from your video that he was in the middle of sex and suddenly was shocked by a penis if that was the case, while responsible for his crime, it may not have been a hate crime, but in reality this was 1st degree murder, and the arrogant fucker bragged about it afterward. Sorry again. Also my experiences are too personal to fit in a comment forgive me.

[darksideofthenation]

There's no need to apologize. From what I understand, he knew she was a transsexual many hours before he killed her.

We all speak from our personal experience sometimes. :)

[CognosSquare]

The killer is so beyond helping with a PSA like this. He will not go "oh i didnt know that".

[shameoncanada]

right

[NatureLegalized]

we are hopefully striving to get ourselves and our world completely respectful, tolerant and understanding

[rochesterpopulist]

We're in a new age of barbarism. Economic, religious, cultural. Too many people think might makes right.

[sugarpuddin88]

Must humans are undisciplined & uncivilized monkey's who derive satisfaction only by throwing faces at each other

The humans have always been like this & sadly, they will always be like this! No one ever improved the human condition.

It is hard, but we have to learn to love it for what it is - Accept it for what it is!

[freded124]

thank you so much for this video you are SOOO right. Gay hate and homophobia HAS to be stopped. It is 2009 when is freedom going to apply to EVERYONE? thank you SO much for bringing attention to this very important issue!

[darksideofthenation]

thank YOU for your appreciation!

[notbadwill]

u cut off ur dick and you call yourself a woman!!! strange!!! woman is more than a hole between the legs.

[darksideofthenation]

you are right. Surgery doesn't make anyone a woman or a man. People are born with a certain gender. Transsexual women are those who are born with a male body and a female brain.

[reddeath26]

Disagreed on this notion quite strongly. As female and male genders are little more than social constructions. How one can be born with one is beyond me. Also which female brain would said person be born with? Depending on which culture we go by there can be numerous differing and contrasting 'female brains'.

[notbadwill]

Is it acceptable to be(a man) seduced by a Man(who looks woman) and has a got a hole between the lags???

[darksideofthenation]

it is acceptable to love whoever the hell you want. As long as you are not molestiing underage children.

[notbadwill]

you did not understand.some transexuals go out to "con" poeple.This is the problem.

[Eopyk]

That is no reason still.. many do not come out to the one they date for serveal reasons.. I do not not consider it to be wise to not tell the person your dating about such if your going to have intercourse but it is still no reasons what so fucking ever. I myself I ama pre treatment male to female transsexual woman and I gett terrified of all the violance that happend to us around the world.

All love from me Jasmine.

[notbadwill]

Jusy be franck with poeple and nothing should happen.If you are not franck and you go out to "con" poeple , you will have to blame just yourself.NB: you do not need to be vulgar. it is not impressive.

[Eopyk]

So you think this murder where justifieble? Murder is murder

[notbadwill]

I do not need to answer this ridiculous question.

[Eopyk]

You say one need to blame one self thuss your saying that the murder was justifieble.. and all I say is murder is murder

[sounynoma]

If i understand your argument correctly, you think transsexuals trick people into believing them to be from the other sex on purpose? Have you got any evidence for this whatsoever? Even if so, would that justify killing them?

[darksideofthenation]

No one deserves to be killed. And being a transsexual is not a choice, it is not a deliberate choice for someone to be a "transsexual" , MEN should respect that transsexual women are just like any other women. The act of disclosing one's medical history/physical condition is a private issue.

[darksideofthenation]

you are welcomed.