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  • I just wanted to add, also, that the lack of religion does not mean lack of morals or ethics.

    In an MSN article I read recently, some very good points were made regarding religion and "niceness" of people. In fact Denmark and Sweden, which are primarily atheist countries, have expansive welfare and health care services, have a strong commitment to social equality, and they murder and rape one another significantly less frequently than Americans do. Just something to think about.

  • Because of lack of religion and morals in Europe they think why bother have children, and have responsibility when I can have as much sex as a want, spread STD's, and have abortions if I get someone pregnant or get pregnant.(Then because they aren't replacing themselves, London will have an English minority in 10 years, and Italy as a country will have a native minority!) This is what lack of religion does!

    And about Denmark and Sweden, Denmark already has a minority. Sweden is next up!

  • The start of religion formed values and morals, which everyone lives by and by which the code of law is based off of! Back in the 30s 40s and 50s the strength of religion united the country. It is religion which gives people the will to live! That is why the country was so successful! People thought they needed to work to get themselves what they wanted, they thought the sanctity of marriage and family was ideal, and they respected it! Today people view getting pregnant as a medical condition!

  • Just compare the total populations.............

  • What are you getting at?

  • All of Obama's cabinet choices are part of Clinton's mob. Has anyone else noticed this? The reason why Obama is choosing or looking at Clintonoids is because he doesn't know anyone. His lack of experience provided him no knowledge of choices or advisers. He has to resort to people who have Cabinet, or adviser experience of a previous president.He doesn't know anyone! This is the first sign that Obama does not know what he is doing.

  • you hit the nail on the head....

  • Dems and libs are like the camel rides at a circus....always a free ride ......everything for nothing and always be a victim , don't get off your social programs...Let the government take care of you...It's called " lazy and being enabled...Oh and your stats.... great try....but you need to read more .......

  • You love America? Don't lie, you love hot dogs and twinkies you fat piece of garbage. Time to take out the trash b1tch!

    Obama/Biden 2008!

  • What wonderful Liberal comments. You libs have such a wonderful command of the language...Thank you for proving most of my points about Liberal bullshit and in-tolerance

  • Stats indicate dems, on average, retain a higher level of education than their rep counterparts.

    Additionally, libs/dems favor social programs (education included) that often benefit people of lower income and all races. Therefore, your comments asserting lib/dem intolerance are effectively negated by the core values of such groups. Intolerance intertwined in lib/dem agendas often pertains to intolerance towards the intolerance of republican core values (you know, reduced civil rights, etc)

  • Can I have the website where you found that information? Because presently, it might be true. Most Democrats are indoctrinated by their Harvard, or Columbia professors.

    He isn't talking about intolerance of ethnicity or background. He is talking about intolerance of opposition. If you are against a Democrat you are automatically stupid and in some cases you are silenced for thinking otherwise. Those social programs are more than social, they are SocialIST.

  • Finally, Republicans don't believe in reduced Civil Rights! In fact, Republicans have been PRO-civil rights forever(we just don't think we should change the definition of marriage)!

  • Republicans DO believe in reduced civil rights. Saying they don't means they are either lying or delusional, neither of which are favorable.

    Gay marriage, a former civil right in CA, was voted away in large part via advertising from right wing/republican sources.

    Abortion: Another civil right that many Republicans don't support.

    Until the hypocrisy and bigotry can be flushed from the Republican party, they do not stand a realistic chance of surviving in todays political environment.

  • Republicans were the ones who supported the civil rights movement in the 60s! Hell, MLK was a Republican! His niece even said people shouldn't vote for Barack Hussein-Obama!

    I told you that Republicans don't believe in changing the definition of marriage which was set by the Church! The Church is the one who gave the definition of marriage and it is not the Governments right to change that definition!

    Abortion is not a civil right! There is nothing that states one can kill another human being.

  • The republican party was a slightly different party in the '60's. And who cares who other people tell you to vote for.

    You can word it however you want. The fact is that a civil right was taken away, in part because of significant support from the Republican base. Ever heard of separation between church and state?

    Abortion IS a right afforded under the law, civil or otherwise. Too bad if little baby jesus tells you otherwise.

  • Yea I know the party is slightly different. Emphasis on the slightly. We have the same beliefs still.

    And the fact is that a civil right was voted on. A primarily DEMOCRAT state voted for it! Its just as much their fault as it is the Republicans. And separation of Church and state is A MYTH! There is nothing in the constitution that says anything like that other than Freedom of Religion, which means the government can't force you to believe in one religion!

  • Separation of church and state was a term used and only used in a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote. Then people, like Obama, follow that other than the Constitution! (That's partly why he wants to change the constitution)

    The church came up with marriage, and because of this separation of church and state the Liberals came up with their own religion, where you can kill babies, marry anyone, have sex with anyone, and the government will pay for BC so you can have as much sex as you want. No morals!

  • Obama and many before him have followed legal and political principle adhering to separation of church and state derived from the 1st amendment, and references contained within opinions from the Supreme Court.

    Not everyone believes in god (or specifically, your god), and therefore are not bound to the morals you and people like you attempt to impose on others.

    Its a great thing to be able to think for yourself. You should try it sometime, instead of letting baby jesus run your life.

  • You know its the morals of religion(Catholicism and Christianity) that have helped make this country the great one it is today. Without religion this country wouldn't be here. I'm thinking for myself! I'm choosing to choose Jesus's morals. But no matter what religion you follow, nothing can excuse you from taking the life an unborn baby!

  • Without religion, who knows... we could have countries many times greater than the US. The US is a decent place to live, but don't trick yourself into thinking inside the box and that the US is some marvel of righteousness.

    We will have to agree to disagree on abortion. Nothing, it seems, will change your mind, and nothing i can fathom anyone would say will change my mind about personal choice and freedom on the matter.

  • Without religion there couldn't BE any righteousness! There would be no morals, no fear of punishment, no kindness. People do good things based off the morals of society which are based off of relgion! Also, 10% of Europe belongs to a church, and look what is happening over there! There are more abortions over there a year than in North America, and China has more than that because they are communists who control EVERYTHING! Europe has an average 1.5 birth rate which doesn't replace their POP.!

  • As detailed below, it is clearly possible to have a civil (in fact, more civil) society with the absence of religion.

    I don't mind if there are more or less abortions. As you may recall, I am in favor of personal choice.

    Many would argue China has too many people, and that a decrease in population would be beneficial. I will say, to your benefit, is that even though I feel religion is silly and ridiculous, people should have freedom of religion, which they don't entirely have in China.

  • Sir, where do you think these morals and values came from that could give us a civil society? Did they just pop up out of no where? I'm pretty sure that atheists didn't decide what was right and what was wrong.

    About China, their abortions aren't boys and girls, they kill off the girls mostly because of their government's belief that men are superior, and they use the men for the army, or farming. The girls are the ones that are getting killed off!

  • I think the "treat people how you want to be treated" policy works pretty well as a replacement to the "do what god says or you'll go to hell" policy. But that's just me. And it's funny how the leaders of the churches always know what god wants.

    Well, that's China's problem. The less Chinese people the better. Maybe that way things can be made in the US instead of over seas, and their fascist manner of governing wont spread.

  • Have you read what I said at all? And that is exactly what the bible says! Treat people how you want to be treated is in the bible it hasn't just been made up. For someone who doesn't even believe in religion you seem pretty quick to judge it! The Church doesn't say that its just what you think it says. Your misinterpreting that just like Liberals misinterpret the Constitution.

  • Read everything, just don't agree with you.

    Apparently the book of fairy tales and I have something in common.

    What are you talkng about? Of course I "judge" or have an opinion on religion, just the same as you judge those who are atheist. Don't be hypocritical.

    The bible effectively says, among other things, that if you dont do what god wants you to do then you will go to hell. If you can't acknowledge that, then you obviously don't know Christianity very well or are delusional.

  • Theres a difference between, "you sin *BOOM* your in hell" and what the Bible says. If you want to be as vague as possible, sure you can say that. But it actually says you will go to hell if you live your WHOLE life on earth of sin, and never reconciling. But now we are getting more into battle of the religions, a battle which no one will ever win.

    Have I judged atheists yet? What I meant is that, you have no clue about religion and you think it is a wreck on the world. That is false.

  • Its quite clear that you will never agree even when I provided you with facts. Your just going to cover your ears like most liberals do.

    I don't understand why you think that religion is a bad thing. Hell, technically you even have a religion.

  • Yeah, I'll cover my ears to logic and listen to your rhetoric based on a little baby jesus fairy tale.

    Religion is a bad thing because it is a lie intended to control people, regardless of whether it controls people for better or worse.

    Sorry to disappoint you, I have no religion. And crazily enough, I'm not a bad person. Can you believe that? Isn't it amazing? As an example, I don't eat meat because of the cruel conditions under which animals are raised. How's that for godless ethics?

  • How is it intended to control people and how the HELL do you know if its a lie or not? Did YOU create life and the universe? How do you know for a fact that this didn't happen? Where you ALIVE back then or can you time travel? You have no idea if its a lie or not and you probably never will but that's why its called a belief!

    You do have a religion in a way. Your religion is to not believe in religion! You believe the universe was created by the big bang THEORY. That is a belief! Not fact, yet.

  • Religion is a lie because people insist there is a such thing as god, yet there is no concrete evidence whatsoever to support such an idea. It controls people, in part, because it has been the root of power for centuries. It also controls people because they are forced to adhere to what baby jesus says in the bible.

    Can anyone prove 100 percent that there is no god?  Of course not. But there is sufficient mounting evidence to begin to assert that the idea of god is a little ridiculous.

  • What evidence is that? Of course there is evidence to support there is no God, but there is also support to show that there is! True, God might not be as obvious to us as we thought, but there has to have been something that created life! There is evidence against every belief that's why it is a belief! The Big Bang Theory states that an atom exploded to create the galaxy, well where did that atom come from! Do you think everything in the universe happened by chance? How can life start?

  • There is a myriad of evidence available via simple google searching. I'm tired of going back and forth here. You are set on believing in god; I think the idea is archaic and ridiculous.

    FYI-the big bang theory relates to a singularity (infinitely smaller than an atom). And btw, galaxies are clusters of stars within the universe. There are a number of mathmatically-based thories (M, string, others) that offer potential insight on how how our, and likely other, universes "happened." Google it.

  • O I'm sorry, let me correct myself: No one still knows where this singularity came from. Also, I meant to type universe not galaxy. You still haven't shown me a damn thing that proves for a fact there is no God. I think you are entitled to your beliefs, but the fact that you are intolerant of all other religions and beliefs is simply disgusting. You have proved my point of how you, most liberals, will never change, and that liberals most certainly are intolerant. There, I'm done.

  • I am not intolerant whatsoever to religion. I completely support anyone who wants to believe anything they want. Just don't expect me to buy into it.

    Please do not say I am intolerant, when I am not. Just because I don't agree with you does not make me intolerant.

    And I am not really "liberal." I am independent, and I think for myself. I agree with some Republican ideas, some Democrat, and many that neither party agrees with.

  • Once again I forgot to say that we are arguing against religions, which no one can win but still.

    You honestly expect that everything in the universe happened so perfectly by, coincidence? I don't think so. And stop saying baby Jesus its annoying the crap out of me. Catholicism isn't the only religion, if you didn't know. Also, Jesus wasn't the one who ruled the countries, nor was it the bible. Jesus gave the Christian CHURCH ALONE, it's morals and values he didn't tell people how to rule.

  • How about you though, how do you think this whole universe came to be? What do you think happens to you when you die and how the hell do you think people should live their lives? Knowing that they have less than 100 years to live and that they really serve no purpose here on earth other than have their carcass become fertilizer mixed in the ground.

    Religion has started everyone's civilized being dating all the way back to the Sumerians! How can you not think or KNOW this?

  • Well, I only have a masters, not a PhD or anything. Accordingly, I have to rely on theories people smarter than me have to offer. As for now, it looks like the big bang is winning out. The big bang theory can be effectively proven up until a millionth of a second or so after the big bang.

    I acknowledge that religion has been around a long time. Just because an idea has been around a long time doesn;t make it true.

  • hmm.  well, nice satire.

    I can't say I like Obama at all, being a classical liberal, or nowadays, a paleolibertarian I suppose. Nonetheless, McCain's a bloody idiot. People have pretty much already elected Obama though. In fact, the GOP did that for them the minute they didn't nominate Dr Ron Paul, who was really their only chance against Obama.

  • I think McCain was one of the worst choices... I agree. But Ron Paul would have been just has bad. Paul is a nut and he doesn't know what he is doing! He doesn't know how to run a government and in fact, he is almost a anarchist. Romney was the way to go from the beginning. He was a strong campaigner with strong values. If it wasn't for Huckaphony not playing fair, Romney would have won! But Huckaphony hated the fact that Romney was a mormon. I have trouble trusting Huckaphony because of that.

  • Calling a ten term congressman a nut because you don't agree with his viewpoint is a marginalization tactic.

    Paul's position is to run the government the way it was designed - according to its founding document.

    I could cop out as you did by just telling you to read more history; instead I'll just say that it's only in this century where it's been normal to ignore any fiscal sanity and rely on the federal government to do everything it's illegal for it to do under our constitution.

  • In fact, it seems the opposing candidates wouldn't know how to run a government... or more correctly, run the sort of government our country was founded to have.

    Then again, I'm sure they'd all have done a better job than Obama seems determined to do.

  • You're an idiot. You are one of these people who votes along party lines because it's so much easier to do that than thing. I'm just glad I have someone like myself to counteract your idiocy.

  • Meant think.

  • Thank you for making my point once again about liberals. First of all , attack your opponent with personal attacks by calling names,second display absolutely no sense of humor whatsoever. And in your case suffer from illusions of grandeur , such as your name suggests. Chill, your guy is an elists and a socialists. You may get what you deserve.

  • Hey moron, I'm actually VERY conservative. I'm for the war in Iraq for instance. As for my name, mocking it is pretty fucking dumb. I'm Illusionistdave because I'm a magician. Are you so fucking stupid you couldn't figure that out?

  • Go fight MCsame's 100 year war in Iraq po white trash!!!!

  • White trash?...I thought Liberals wern't racist.........

  • You fat pig, get used to the sweating and hyperventilation it is bound to happen again and again..... As Obama being an elitist, you got Carl Rove's talking-point memo alright...you idiots give it up its not going to work this time. The son of s single mother vs the some of a president vs sone of an Admiral. You have no idea how pathetic you sound

  • Dude no one is reading past "You fat pig". This is why I quit the Democrats this year. People like you!

  • I love the way you liberals answer, always with an attack on the person in a personal manner that depicts the lunacy that is liberalism

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