Cant wait till like 2020 or maybe few years after when The Aircraft carriers are fully ready and we have all our Type 45s ready, i really wonna see a video of 1 Aircraft carrier and then a fleet of destroyers/frigates and subs around it xD. but most likly a battle group wont be as big as Americas it will probz consist of 1 Carrier 2 Type 45, 4-5 Type 23 Frigates and 2-3 Subs. but this would probz only be used for a war if its just a petty rebelion then the aircraft carrier with 1 frigate :P.
Argentina airforce is wrecked their troops are not well trained. they do not have any advanced weapons and their navy is tiny and old. and they do not have nuclear weapons do people really think that argentina will be able to invade the falklands. argentinas not a threat to the UK but Iran is...
@MrPetem75 No they will not. If the economy has not picked up then one of them will be kept in "Entended Readiness"- able to depoly quicky in times of crisis such as war or humanitarian efforts.
i once thought the royal navy was just about beign at sea but now i realize alot of what they do is also land based. WHen i realized you could end up having to join ground troops in afghanistan and get into close combat i completly chanegd my mind. I was under the illusion that if you joined the navy you don't have to go to war
Its a pity we can't afford the catapults to launch the planes. I don't understand how the government can afford £32 billion for some stupid railway line no one will be able to afford to use but can't afford to build properly equipped ships.
At least the French know they can't afford to equip their new air craft carrier so instead of wasting money by building a ship that will be mothballed immediately they are going to focus on ships that are easily exportable like the Mistral and FREMM.
@Basilona We're using the F35C (Cats and Traps) We can afford them!!! France is wreckless, they're not making many cuts which will effect the Euro... making it weaker. In the long run France will fall back behind the UK
@Dogmeat1950 Yeah but the cost cutting was reversed. Somone on here who claims to work for the MoD claims that a third QE Class for the Royal Navy will possibly be built to be commissioned in 2028. And we wouldn't lose. Argentina has apx 5 Frigates we have 13 frigates and 6 destroyers.
@MrXray2011 plus the fact is as of right now.. the RN does not have a single fixed wing naval Aircraft.. so.. ya..it's worse then pre-Falklands
"we have 13 frigates and 6 destroyers" it's their Aircraft that is the greatest threat, if they didn't have shit ground crews on their A-4's in the Falklands war they would have sunk far more ships.
@Dogmeat1950 A single Type 45 could destroy the entire Argentine Air Force. No we could not use fixed wing jets but nor could Argentina as they would all be destroyed by HMS Dauntless. The Argentine Army is much smaller than the British Army and so if need be we could invade Argentina and force them to surrender. The RAF could fly from friendly bases and take out the AAF if they needed to.
@Dogmeat1950 Of course not... lets be honest everyone knows that the UK would win- it may take a little longer and if it dragged on too long then an invasion of Argentina would be a valid, and just option. Yes we're taking risks but with Argentina we would not need an aircraft carrier as the Type 45 could destroy the Argentine Air Force, HMS Illustrious could use her apache's against ground targets.
@MrXray2011 my nationality is a American, from Puerto Rico.
Carriers are very important, for strikes inside Argentina. it would be a better choice, since you can launch attacks from anywhere and get air support faster then having it come all the way from the Falklands.
Either way. if that war ever broke out, be cheering for the U.K since by ever right it's a British Island. nobody lived there before it.. it's the U.K's.
@Dogmeat1950 Yes, carriers are important, but Argentina is in no position to wage war with a country like the UK. The US would probably let us use their AF bases, that and we could use the Reapers, which could fly all the way to Agrentina and destroy targets, then fly back. So you agree that they're British, that is good. Argentina only claim that they're Argentine to distract their peoples' attention away from the state of their own country.
@MrXray2011 Of course they are British lol.. I mean nobody lived on it.. the British found it, so by all right's it's there Island.
I mean that's like the USA claiming Bermuda. lol.
the USA would most likely support the U.K by Logistical and Intel means at the most, as for getting into a shooting war with Argentina doubt the USA would.
@Dogmeat1950 We wouldn't need the US to help us against Argentina and the US knows this- that is why they would not help. And as long as we could use the US to fly sorties against Argentina then we would be happy. To be honest we wouldn't really need intel anyway... Argentina is a third world country.
@Dogmeat1950 So we do- being a student of History I really should know that shouldn't I? "Not yet"... cheeky bugger :) And I'm glad that you see the UK as an ally; the USA and the UK share a 'Special Relationship' that no other country enjoys. We must unite against terrorism and agressive nations.
@magicstix0r Don't worry. The Brits have realized how shitty the F35B will be and have converted to the catapult platform to use F35c. This has been knowledge for some time known for some time now you should have looked it up before commenting.
@magicstix0r There are an awful lot of carriers which use the ski-jump, even with the catapults and conventional planes. It gives planes extra lift making the take-off's more stable and easier. Only France and the USA operate Carriers now without Ski-jumps.
@MrBushWookiee Su-33 is not even remotely the biggest aircraft launched from a carrier. The Su-33 has a very high thrust to weight ratio and relatively low stall speed, otherwise a ski jump wouldn't work for it.
@MrBushWookiee no. the U.S Navy has launched bigger planes off a Carrier. they use launch Douglas A-3 Skywarriors those are big planes.. F-14 was the largest fighter ever made they sent those up too.
@magicstix0r Are you aware that every piece of Aircraft Carrier Technology used by the US Navy was developed by the Brits? Without exception? I think the Royal Navy knows what its doing after the best part of a 1000 years in operation.
Whatever the circumstances of today, and however painfull the cuts that the Armed Forces have had to suffer, Her Majesty's Royal Navy has always drawn a line to England's enemies that has said 'this far, and no further!'.
Those who say we are done for would say different if they were on the receiving end of our firepower.
I am not taking it out on anyone.So you are saying that the RN are going to have to wait nearly 20 years for the Americans to build such a small number of planes for us or the BBC are full of it?
Also if I remenber correctly the plan was to build 3 of these carriers,each one was to be 100,000 tons and 1,000 ft in length,what happened?
Is it also true that when or if the 2 new carriers are ever built one is to be given over to the French Navy to man and fit out with planes?
@Marlever357 not true. Thats the total order of F35s, including all trials of planes and fitiings. Remember we are waiting on the Americans for the F35s... dont take it out on the Govt or MoD.
@TheARMAProductions You're absolutely right of course but 6 ships is still only 6 hulls in the water. They cannot be in 2 places at once. 12 means more areas covered. Alas we still have a very capable navy compared to most, particularly from 2020.
@ddnguyen278 A maximum capacity of 40 (50 if you read some sources) of fighters is a bit misleading. The Royal Navy/Fleet Air Arm never carry more fighters than can fit into the hangers during peace time. For example, they can fit just over Forty F35s on the deck, but in reality, that's how many they can store in the hangers below. During war time (Check footage of Falklands War for source) then they also carry fighters on top. For now, 40 F35s and 5 Heli's are the figures I've been hearing.
@MrXray2011 To be honest, probably depends on the conflict. For Iraq, I believe we just kept at our peace-time capacity but sent two carriers instead of one. For the Falklands, we was even cramming in helicopters into the bellies of container ships. I reckon if we had a war where it did require the bulk of our forces, like the Falklands did, probably about 60 Fighters on each carrier instead of 40. Helicopters would be likely boosted more in the fleet, perhaps even 4x as many.
@MrBushWookiee 60 fighters isn't too bad, not sure whether the Royal Navy are getting that many so they would have to use the ones for the RAF (which I'm not sure will have the hook to 'catch' the plane as it lands.
@MrXray2011 Yeah although nothing that I have read is confirmed, I can see the RAF having this because they had landing on carriers with the RAF Harriers as close as 2008 that I know of. I'd be surprised if they didn't. Plus it'd be great for them to launch off the carriers and onto captured or constructed airbases a month or two into a war. That way they wouldn't need to bring in air refuellers which need foreign basing typically or long flights which are expensive.
@MrBushWookiee Hmmmm it would be good... especially if there was a problem with any of the F-35's they could easily be replaced by RAF jets... And yeah the Sea Harrier was retired so the Royal Navy used the RAF GR7 and GR9's until 2010 when they were all retired.
The original order was for 12 Type 45s this was reduced to 6 simply to save money, 12 was considered the minimum needed to replace the type 42s so there will be a large reduction in our destroyer fleet, bloody government always screws the senior service the most
@fairclought7 But we are looking at building the 'UXV Combatant' which is a Destroyer and a UAV carrier!!! They look pretty good and if we managed to get 6 then our destroyer fleet would be 12 so I'm thinking that they only got 6 Type 45's so that they could spend more on the UXV Combatant. It will operate Taranis UCAV's which will be able to fight other fighter aircraft, they will be the best UAV's in the world!!!
@leonwiganer yeah i no that now we are not selling it anymore one is going to be for operational purposes and one is going to be put in reserve so we will never be fielding 2 QESC at any one time unless of a state of emergency of course but we wont really need it because even when the EU nations finish there projects by about 2018 we will have 12 carriers for operations and another 12 in reserve thats power that only the EU can fund..
@7960Dan That's our national debt, not our deficit. It's very, very different. Presuming we don't add to it by more than 3% of GDP per year it'll simply inflate away over time.
i've heard that we are keeping both carriers now but because of new designs to the ship (no more take off ramp) the ships have cost double of what they were meant to be
@7960Dan already under construction BAE systems is a british company and it works tight with the goverment in funding etc last report i heard they were 40 % complete but i have also heard we are selling 1 to france but the rest of the EU are builiding their own super carriers 2 and Britain is harldy going to be bested when it comes to naval supremacy i heard from a EU governmental gathering that all in all European nations will have 23 super carriers at their disposal making us power of the sea
I love all the Anti British messages form the Americans on this page, it does show just that so many of them love to demonstrate their sky high levels of intelligence and spout mindless abuse about things they probably don't even understand.
ok, know, fuck u, im a fucken police officer in training, u cheeky bastard, i dont drink and tbh u r begging to bore me. the british army is still recruting. the navy is being modernised and the harrier are being repalce by the F-35 lightning, also the challangers are being reduced, but there is a new tank being designed. also most off the videos i have seen are showing our new tech off, and come on every miletery show is centred around america. and also the carriers are being built. more power
i would love to now where u r getting ur facts from, as i actualy now alot of mod personel, know plz fuck up as u clearly are ant britsih and have no idea what u r talking about, the cuts u r listinig are over exadurated and also most of the stuff in talked about was built in the uk, u a obviously are so far up americas arse and i cba with faggits like u how have to claim everything as american, next u will be saying that u invented oxygen. America develops wepons to be bettern not invent them!
@mrscottish1993 why do you keep on saying i would love to know where you get your facts from ,i told you already the mod website along with every news and industry site has a full and official list of the defence review and the list of the cuts .if you want ill send you the full list so you will have a clue what your talking about .
anyway from your spelling it looks like you are a drunk , learn a little before you open you big mouth
It is pretty obvious that both the aircraft carriers are going to come into servise at some point after 2020.Also as well as our type 45 destroyers we are going to build about 16 new frigates(not sure if they will all be type 26 or if there is two classes).To compliment these we are planning what is called the C3 ship a mini-frigate(for some reason the royal navy does not like to use the term corvette)about 2.500-3.000 tonnes displacement about 10 to 15 of them.
@james8765100 All things considered ...2 supercarriers,22 large fleet escorts and 15 C3 mini frigates...I think the future of the RN is looking bright!
@7960Dan to be honest if the government continues to give out absolute thousands of pounds to each dirty paki who comes into our country we should be able to afford to keep our military up to spec, if anything they should stop giving out money to all the pakis and eastern europeans and africans who come into the country
sorry but u r sadly mistaken, where u americans make up your power in numbers, we make up our power in sheer experiance, ship quality, technology on the ships and tbh we have more experiance than u will ever have, also our ships are bulit to last, and also i would like to remind u that both carriers are being built, out new destroyers are in service and our new ships are more advanced than your new design, we dont need numbers, we just use our heads.
@mrscottish1993 haha i love that you have to qoute in the future we will have lol .what do u have right now ?????
i think you will also find that our older ships are all upgraded costantly and the new ones are being built constantly and are far supperior .as for experience lol well lets see when u finally get carriers in 12 years how many pilots you will have that have landed on one .are tech is the best and thats why u keep buying it
@marks95911 our older ships are upgraded constantly aswell, also ur ships are not superior, the type 45 destroyer is far superior to all of uo destroyer classes, better anti- missile defences, better main gun, amazing radar and crew quaters are far supperior to the most advanced ships u have. and u abviously have no idea what u r talking about, WE STILL HAVE CARRIERS. And our piliots are brilliant, and when do we buy ur tech, all of your new guns on our war ships are made by BAE system, FANNY
@mrscottish1993 lol i knew you had no idea but boy your stupid . so lets go through the list of a few things u use of ours chinook c130 c-17 c-5 all your armed uavs your latest rifles bought about 6 months ago tomahawk cruise missiles hellfire sidewinder many other missiles guidance systems for bombs apache err theres loads more but my arms getting tired
@marks95911 the type 45 were tested on old remote controled aircraft and the wepons systems were tested on old ships aswell, the burkes are not that good btw, america makes it sound like this because they always want to be the best.tomohawk r british as they were tested in the falklands for the first time, but they were made about 10 years before hand. guidence systems are made by use for our own aircraft, that is common knowledge.
@mrscottish1993 hellfire missiles were built by lockhead martin and in service inearly 1980s and has nothing to do with uk .apache was developed and built by the usa ,was sold to the uk to be built under liscence ,the uk changed the engine,some avionics ,radar,comunication.
since the the usa has come out with a new model called block 2 ,the uk recieved some of the new upgrades including targeting pods ,avionics,computer systems etc .so its a bit more than the shell as u said
@marks95911 also get a life, ur hobby is defence, obviuosly it is only americas, i have an advanced higher history and one of my special topics are the british army and the politis surrounding the brittish army, know if u realy did now this stuff u would realise that during WW2 britain signed a alliance which staed that we have to give all our topic secret projects have to be howen to the americans, and this is still in practice, america also has to show use her plans.
bae systems were a small company scrapping by on paultry british contracts, after tony blair commited to be with the usa after 9/11 us congress approved bae to supply the us army /navy.this the allowed them to make some real money ,turning them into what they are today
which carriers do you still have ??????????????.if you can call those little things carriers
@marks95911 the apache is the name given to these helicopters, they have hellfire missiles which are joint uk and french, the radar is from a russian helicopter and most of the apaches we build only have one thing in common with urs, the body. Also i would love to know where u r getting ur facts from about the artilery and tanks, they are not getting cut back that much, our surface ships are not getting touched and as for the army, we are an isalnd u twat! we have one of the most powerful RAF.
@mrscottish1993 the tomahawk was built by general dynamics in the 1970s and has since gone through many updates .it also has nothing to do with the uk except the fact that u bought it
now yor next lies
c130 was built by lockheed in 1956 (nothing to do with uk )
c-17 was mcdonald douglas in 1991 (nothing to do with uk )
c-5 was lockheed in 1968 (nothing to do with uk )
i also said your armed uavs are made in the usa,tarranis is not operational yet and wont be 4 2year
@marks95911 LIKE THE WAY THEY REPLACED THINGS WITHIN THE NAVY. SO U REALY NEED TO BRUSH UP ON UR BRITISH STUFF AS U OBVIOUSLY DONT LIKE THE IDEA THAT ANOTHER COUNTRY MIGHT HAVE BETTER THINGS THAT U. AND ITS YOU TUBE, NOT THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, FS U THINK U R BETTER THAN ME BACAUSE ITS UR HOBBY AND I CAN TALK DOWN TO U AS WE BOTH HAVE DIFFRENT VIEWS. AND WHY ARE U COMMING ONTO AN BRITISH SHOW OF STRENGTH, GO LOOK AT VIDEOS OF UR OWN ARMED FORCES. AND OUR TROOPS WORK TOGETHER, WHICH IS SOMETING
@mrscottish1993 lol firstly i dont think im better than you i was simply saying dont talk down to me as i have pretty good knowledge of equipment as the military industry and equipment is my hobby .now you may find that boring but i like to learn of the latest tech coming out .
i have a good knowledge of brit equipment as well and i see what is on order for the uk and what is considered good .i also have no problem with any country building great stuff as we usually will buy it
@marks95911 the apache is the name given to these helicopters, they have hellfire missiles which are joint uk and french, the radar is from a russian helicopter and most of the apaches we build only have one thing in common with urs, the body. Also i would love to know where u r getting ur facts from about the artilery and tanks, they are not getting cut back that much, our surface ships are not getting touched and as for the army, we are an isalnd u twat! we have one of the most powerful RAF.
@mrscottish1993 your next stupid point you say we dont really need carriers as we have bases all over .well its a good thing your not a general .when invading from the sea theres a small thing called close air support .this task fell to the harriers (that have all been retired early ) and no fast moving jets from distant bases can do that in the uk inventory
the tanks and artillery cuts are public and common knowledge
now for your next bunch of rubbish on the equipment (which was laughable)
@marks95911 also all our war palnes, tanks, artilery guns, armour, aircraft carriers, battle rifles and all our equitmant are made in Britain. the only thing that is not british is our mine armoured humves, also your new destroyers are using out guns and aint-aircraft anf anti-submarine and anti-missile systems my friend, u have stuff we dont have, but we are develping our own, also the tank, battle ship and war plane were all invented by britain, so Fuck U!
@mrscottish1993 so you still have carriers ,hmmm i though the defence review retired them all along with 40% of your tanks and artillery ,several of your surface ships,all your long range maritime patrol aircraft ,large numbers of troops
as for your air defence destroyers type 45 ,they are still untested and have no working system yet .the new burkes are being built with much of the equipment from the new ddg 1000 .the ddg is far supperior to anything u have
@marks95911 u r sad, im just going to tell u this one more time as i have freinds how work for the mod and BAE syestems. most of the things that u just mentioned are joint UK USA and French built mechines, we have our own UAV's called the tarnis, the chinook c130 c-17 c-5 are boeing but the original ones were built in Britain, as it was a joint project by both countrys, but they were tested in the UK.
if you are going to answer back in a stupid way ,please dont bother but if u want a real discussion with verifiable facts then im up for it .
also just some more of your cuts 25000 mod jobs ,17000 army navy raf jobs .set to go shortly are about 70 tornado aircraft ,cutting the in service number to 60 (approx).the rn carrier illustious is to go also along with some royal fleet auxillery.
if you wish i can send u proof of anything i wrote
@marks95911 U REALY NEED TO REALISE THAT AMERICA DOES NOT INVENT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. AND TBH I HAVE FRIENDS IN AFGAN AND AS LONG AS THE MECHINES ARE PROTECTING MY FRIENDS AND FELLOW COUNTRY MEN, I DONT GIVE A FUCK HOW INVENTED THESE MACHINES. BRITAIN AND AMERICA HAVE INVENTED THERE FARE SHARE OF ARMY EQUITMENT. AND WE ARE ALLIES SO WE SHARE THINGS, AND THE CUTS ARE NT THAT BAD, THE TANKS HAVE BEEN REDUCED BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD ONES AND ARE BEING REPLACED AND OTHER THINGS ARE BEING REPLACED
i am on here to view people opinions on the savage cuts . wasnt cos they were old ,they were challenger 2 tanks,the whole fleet of harriers ,sentinal aircraft that were 3 years old ,aircraft carriers,frigates, half tornados .if you think thats not bad then id hate to see bad
i realise that america does not invent everything , u will find on every brit video claims that the uk is the center of the universe and that you invented everything ,which u tried to do yourself until i proved u wrong
@mrscottish1993 and our new rifles were designed and built in a factory in england fs, That BAE thing is true, but that is because BAE were given permission by the uk goverment to give wepons plans to america as part of the alliance u twit. and we have 5 carriers and the two new ones are under construction ryt now. we have a number off bases across the world were we can launch from, so carriers are not really needed. we do have some off ur apc but as our old ones went outdated while we were
@mrscottish1993 listen if your going to have a disscussion with me then please dont just blindly make up facts .also please do not feel you can talk down to mew ,the defence industry is my hobby and has been for the last 10 years
it seems obvious now through hearing your fairy tails that either you do not watch the news or read so im going to try to go through just a few of your wierd ideas
lol yes you did invent a few great things when u were powerful (100 years ago )
@marks95911 desighning our new ones so we needed to buy some to protect our troops, and both countries are allies so they have to share shit, this is part of the allies agrement. so plz dont start this shit again as i hate argueing over things that are debated about all the time, i donr give a fuck how built them, they are protecting my country and our troops so i dont give a fuck if u produced something we use, we invented peniciline, the television, the tank and other things so u use our stuff
! your 5 carriers lol ,well firstly you had 2 ,ark royal and illustrious .the ark royal was scrapped november 2010 ,all the harriers were decomisioned leaving the illustious with no aircraft .i dunno if you heard of the defence cuts ,
you then go on to say the rn surface ships have been untouched ,well thats funny as 4 days ago another frigate hms chatham was scrapped
you then cockily go on to say i dunno where your getting ur info ,well how about the mod website !!!!!
@mrscottish1993 Only one is going to be in service. The RN is going to be 80 ships and 26,000 strong. In 1945 it was 9,500 ships and 865,000 strong. There is no power left in the Royal Navy. 18 escorts and a carrier. Hardly world beating. We had 52 carriers, 15 battleships, and 319 major escorts in '45.
At the moment it's a hollow shell. And it won't take long for someone to realise that and to break it open.
I heard that because of the complex legalities of the contracts between the government & the manufacturers it would actually cost MORE to cancel the carriers! Is this correct?
@Rikki442 As far as I'm aware the contracts forced the government to keep the shipyards in work whether the carriers were built or not. So if CVF was cancelled the government would still end up paying the yard costs out to 2016, and have to build other ships in them.
It's cost more to delay them. The National Audit Office stated that Queen Elizabeth will cost ~£4b; Prince of Wales ~£950m. The cost of the delay is most of the difference. If they were on time total costs would probably be sub £3b
Astute is big, its the best submarine and the most advanced in the world. nothing can beat it, t45 is good but we have only 6? it may have amazing kit but at least 1 perhaps 2 will always be in refit? the frigates are ageing but incredibly versatile and will serve us good. what is of major concern is the carriers. we need both carriers for fast jets, but helicopters aswel, ocean will not see the end of the decade and lusty will pay off within a few years.
@delpeiro12 One of either Lusty or Ocean is to remain is service as an LPH (the other mothballed) until 2020 when CVF is ready (and 2023 for F-35C to be ready).
Perhaps they'll bring back the mothballed Albion and Bay Class, and cross-deck helos. The SDSR did reduce the amphibious requirement from landing 4,000 to 1,800. Deep in the SDSR there is also mention of 16 Type 26s, so take into account cost overrun and it'll be 8-12. 18 escorts is enough is for 1 CVF + amphib.
@29Gixxer u should take a look at your own debt ratios i believe the uk is bigger in term of gdp .also the latest batch of burke class have many new upgrades including some of the systems and radar from zumwalt class.anyway u have no carriers for those air defence destroyers to protect
brits say they av the most advance destroyer in world too,get the fuck outta here,upgraded arleigh burke ships can match type 45 anyday,arleigh burke ships also carry more missiles n its anti-air capability is 1 of the most advance in the world,some ships in the arleigh burke class av now av anti-ballistic missile capability,type 45 doesnt,so sorry brits,yanks also are advance too,oh isnt it u.k av cut its defense spending..ooohh,poor guy.
each cosidered to best in the world..hahahahahahaha..brits forget about the u.s virginia class subs n the new gerald ford class aircraft carriers,both of this u.s class of ships are advance,virginia class is on same level as the astute,but when gerald ford class aircraft carriers went into services,it will be the most advance n more powerful than queen elizabeth,heck,queen elizabeth aint a supercarrier,please brits stop comparing your ships wit old british ships,compare it to u.s ships.
@stalkingalizee Good Point although I wonder who would want to buy the Queen Elizabeth? Also there will be another SDSR before 2015 (possibly before if this one doesn't stick) and so the decision may be reconsidered so not all hope is lost. Personally I beliee Cameron is just pushing back a lot of the big decisions and is hoping that in another few years there will be enough money and they can buy things like these.
Chill out people. Its been confirmed in the news today that the Royal Navy has won its fight for the Carrier's. And an MOD Spokesman has confirmed that its looking "highly likely" the carrier's are safe from the chop. So, all should be well with these beasts. Only thing is, HMS Prince of Wales delivery will be delayed, but sources have already stated she won't be ready for launch in 2018 anyway......she'll be there, maybe a little late, but she'll be there! :)
@Dippers85 Yeah, but to get it they have to scrap the Harriers and Ark Royal. QE and Illustrious will be helo carriers until PC comes and will sell QE. F-35B is dropped for 40 F-35Cs that won't come until 2020. RN will go 8 years without an air arm. Looks like France will be the best Navy in Europe for the next decade at least...lol
@jonboy1973 CdG is 9 years old, it went 7 years without incident. Been to the Indian Ocean 6 times, 3X around the world in nm. Bombed the crap out of Taliban in 3 air campaigns. Spending a couple extra months in drydock every 8 years does not make it broken most of the time.
@stalkingalizee James Dunnigan..."how NOT to build an aircraft carrier"...makes interesting reading,did you know that the engineers of CDG,are exposed to FIVE times the recommended doses of radiation?....bet they just love getting drafted to her,unless they want children and a pension,of course!
@jonboy1973 None of what you or that game designer state is true. CdG runs on proven reactors used in our submarines for decades. The ship wouldn't be allowed to operate if radiation exposure is even approaching recommended levels, much less 5 times. duh
@Studas2006 And remember, the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines, in the hands of the right people and right minds, is probably the most terrifying force on earth.
@Studas2006 Well, however much we need these things, they they do cost a hell of a lot of money. And we are still in a very serious economic situation.
I hate the fact that the Navy isn't as big as it could be, but I just console myself being reminding myself just how much power the fleet has as it is.
In fact, to hell with every other armed force of every other country in the world. I bet you anything you like, however things may seem these days, whatever our position in the world may be, pick a fight with us and our forces will give you an almighty smack in the face.
Crecy, Sluys, Agincourt, the Armarda, Bleinheim, Gibraltar, Quiberon Bay, Quebec, the Saints, St Vincent, Glorious 1st of June, the Nile, Copenhagen, Trafalgar, Waterloo, two world wars, the Falklands and hundreds more!!!
@bri4u2906 Yes. There has been a report on BBC news where it has been discussed during current Tory Party Conference. Probably to America as they do not have such an up-to-date concept in carriers!
@7960Dan The point is these carriers will be around for atleast 50 years. They can guarentee the UK will have strategic military presence and political leverage for the duration of that period as it did for all nations who posessed aircraft carriers in the 20th century. Can that capability be measured with monetary value? Or in 50 years will the troubles of the early 21st century just be distant memories.
@7960Dan Money comes and goes, with Major Powers around the world procuring large aircraft carriers for the first time (India as a prime example) the real question is can we afford to do without them. Aircraft carriers aren't merely a military platform for deploying airpower they are an important political and diplomatic tool and if the UK wishes to maintain its position as a major player in the world community the British military requires interventionist capability.
@7960Dan The shell for the first carrier is basically complete it just needs to be assembled and fitted out. And the construction of the second is too far along to be cancelled now it'd be a huge loss in investment and cancelling contracts with companies with huge legal teams such as BAE and Thales cost a fortune. It'd be more expensive to stop now than it would be to continue. We are "over the hump" as they say..
@serdrummer10 why, argentina take such pride in attacking british politics they should surrender claim to the british islands or if not atleast act like there british seen as we won the war
@numba1danman they did surrender claim,15 may 1850,the Arana-Southern agreement,there was then 91 years of silence form Buenos Aires,until Peron went back on the agreement,and the word of Argentina,in order to galvanise his anarchic people behind a common cause,and quash internal unrest..much the same as Galtieri in '82.
@95predator at the end of the day,NATO deserted us in 1982,with one or two exceptions,and to be fair,our expensive membership of Europe just seems to give us the right to welcome every immigrant into the UK,people who hate our flag,but love our benefits,..
@jonboy1973 If you lived in Germany, were german citizen of british origin, wouldn't you stay loyale with UK? Yes I know Brussel sucks they take us our national rights and so on, want us all to think the same. I think although that Europe will lose importance without EU - same with UK!
And it's just good for EU and Brussel if there are littler states like Cz blocking ;)
in 82 , what could we have done? we had no real subs, frigates, only some tornadoes with which we could have helped you!
@95predator it wasn't necessarily aimed at Germany,but NATO could have put more pressure on Argentina,after all,an attack on one,was in theory,an attack on all,certain areas within the US let us down badly,casper Weinberger was our biggest allie,Anne Kirkpatrick dines with Galtieri as the invasion took place! and now Hilary Clinton opens her mouth before engaging her brain!
heard a whisper that Germany has started printing Deutschmarks again...have you heard that?
@andrewm153351 I'm not gonna say the Eurofighter is better than the F-22, because I know it isn't. But your argument there really is stupid. It's a very simple case of Thrust to weight ratios, that's all there is. The F-22's 2 x F119s give it a thrust to weight (loaded) ratio of 1.09, the Eurofighter has a loaded thrust:weight ratio of 1.15. Therefore the Eurofighter will climb better vertically, does that make it a better aircraft? No. But it does prove your argument is just stupid.
well obviously with such a tiny plane like that, you will have more thrust/weight, but its the fact that the f-22 is advanced in maneuverability, AND bvr that makes it the most capable and feared fighter jet in the world.
haha you use youtube vids as sources...lol. first off, your link that you have obviously doesn't take into consideration the fact that the f22 utilizes 50% of its fuel when on stealthy missions because it doesn't have to use afterburner. If it had a full tank it would probably have 1.14. Either way, i would like for you to tell me how to find the link of the supposed ef thrust.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
If you wish for peace, prepare for war.
dezboss 2 weeks ago
Cant wait till like 2020 or maybe few years after when The Aircraft carriers are fully ready and we have all our Type 45s ready, i really wonna see a video of 1 Aircraft carrier and then a fleet of destroyers/frigates and subs around it xD. but most likly a battle group wont be as big as Americas it will probz consist of 1 Carrier 2 Type 45, 4-5 Type 23 Frigates and 2-3 Subs. but this would probz only be used for a war if its just a petty rebelion then the aircraft carrier with 1 frigate :P.
PyrrusOfEpirusTW 2 weeks ago
Argentina airforce is wrecked their troops are not well trained. they do not have any advanced weapons and their navy is tiny and old. and they do not have nuclear weapons do people really think that argentina will be able to invade the falklands. argentinas not a threat to the UK but Iran is...
hooligan31ify 3 weeks ago
@hooligan31ify Iran isn't
oiReWiin 2 weeks ago
whats all the fuss about? the us and the uk are allies. they are pretty much unstoppable when they come together
bna0001 3 weeks ago
actually the carriers will be decomisioned after completed
MrPetem75 1 month ago
@MrPetem75 No they will not. If the economy has not picked up then one of them will be kept in "Entended Readiness"- able to depoly quicky in times of crisis such as war or humanitarian efforts.
MrXray2011 1 month ago
i once thought the royal navy was just about beign at sea but now i realize alot of what they do is also land based. WHen i realized you could end up having to join ground troops in afghanistan and get into close combat i completly chanegd my mind. I was under the illusion that if you joined the navy you don't have to go to war
210482fmj 1 month ago
Its a pity we can't afford the catapults to launch the planes. I don't understand how the government can afford £32 billion for some stupid railway line no one will be able to afford to use but can't afford to build properly equipped ships.
At least the French know they can't afford to equip their new air craft carrier so instead of wasting money by building a ship that will be mothballed immediately they are going to focus on ships that are easily exportable like the Mistral and FREMM.
Basilona 2 months ago
@Basilona We're using the F35C (Cats and Traps) We can afford them!!! France is wreckless, they're not making many cuts which will effect the Euro... making it weaker. In the long run France will fall back behind the UK
MrXray2011 1 month ago
@MrXray2011 IO highly doubt that....the British are pulling the same stunt they did before the Falklands war. and that was not good
Dogmeat1950 1 month ago
@Dogmeat1950 What stunt was that? Argentina wouldn't be stupid enough to attack again. My comment about France is true though... wreckless.
MrXray2011 1 month ago
@MrXray2011 really... the fact that the RN almost lost the war from the very start.. they where down sizing the RN when the conflict broke out.
Dogmeat1950 1 month ago
@Dogmeat1950 Yeah but the cost cutting was reversed. Somone on here who claims to work for the MoD claims that a third QE Class for the Royal Navy will possibly be built to be commissioned in 2028. And we wouldn't lose. Argentina has apx 5 Frigates we have 13 frigates and 6 destroyers.
MrXray2011 1 month ago
@MrXray2011 plus the fact is as of right now.. the RN does not have a single fixed wing naval Aircraft.. so.. ya..it's worse then pre-Falklands
"we have 13 frigates and 6 destroyers" it's their Aircraft that is the greatest threat, if they didn't have shit ground crews on their A-4's in the Falklands war they would have sunk far more ships.
Dogmeat1950 1 month ago
@Dogmeat1950 A single Type 45 could destroy the entire Argentine Air Force. No we could not use fixed wing jets but nor could Argentina as they would all be destroyed by HMS Dauntless. The Argentine Army is much smaller than the British Army and so if need be we could invade Argentina and force them to surrender. The RAF could fly from friendly bases and take out the AAF if they needed to.
Britain would win... again.
MrXray2011 1 month ago
@MrXray2011 not saying they wouldn't win again,
Just saying the British are taking to many risks right now,
as for Invading Argentina,I doubt that would ever happen.
Dogmeat1950 1 month ago
@Dogmeat1950 Of course not... lets be honest everyone knows that the UK would win- it may take a little longer and if it dragged on too long then an invasion of Argentina would be a valid, and just option. Yes we're taking risks but with Argentina we would not need an aircraft carrier as the Type 45 could destroy the Argentine Air Force, HMS Illustrious could use her apache's against ground targets.
What nationality are you?
MrXray2011 1 month ago
@MrXray2011 my nationality is a American, from Puerto Rico.
Carriers are very important, for strikes inside Argentina. it would be a better choice, since you can launch attacks from anywhere and get air support faster then having it come all the way from the Falklands.
Either way. if that war ever broke out, be cheering for the U.K since by ever right it's a British Island. nobody lived there before it.. it's the U.K's.
Dogmeat1950 1 month ago
@Dogmeat1950 Yes, carriers are important, but Argentina is in no position to wage war with a country like the UK. The US would probably let us use their AF bases, that and we could use the Reapers, which could fly all the way to Agrentina and destroy targets, then fly back. So you agree that they're British, that is good. Argentina only claim that they're Argentine to distract their peoples' attention away from the state of their own country.
MrXray2011 1 month ago
@MrXray2011 Of course they are British lol.. I mean nobody lived on it.. the British found it, so by all right's it's there Island.
I mean that's like the USA claiming Bermuda. lol.
the USA would most likely support the U.K by Logistical and Intel means at the most, as for getting into a shooting war with Argentina doubt the USA would.
Dogmeat1950 1 month ago
@Dogmeat1950 We wouldn't need the US to help us against Argentina and the US knows this- that is why they would not help. And as long as we could use the US to fly sorties against Argentina then we would be happy. To be honest we wouldn't really need intel anyway... Argentina is a third world country.
Am I being thick--- Does the US own Bermuda?
MrXray2011 1 month ago
@MrXray2011 does the US own Bermuda? NOT YET!! hahahah! :)
no that Island belongs to our Ally the British. :)
Dogmeat1950 1 month ago
@Dogmeat1950 So we do- being a student of History I really should know that shouldn't I? "Not yet"... cheeky bugger :) And I'm glad that you see the UK as an ally; the USA and the UK share a 'Special Relationship' that no other country enjoys. We must unite against terrorism and agressive nations.
God Bless America
God Save the Queen.
MrXray2011 1 month ago
come on then argentina , invade the falklands again and see what happens
TheLivilion 2 months ago
Silly Brits and their skijump carriers.... L2Catapult.
magicstix0r 2 months ago
@magicstix0r Don't worry. The Brits have realized how shitty the F35B will be and have converted to the catapult platform to use F35c. This has been knowledge for some time known for some time now you should have looked it up before commenting.
JacobODful 2 months ago
@magicstix0r There are an awful lot of carriers which use the ski-jump, even with the catapults and conventional planes. It gives planes extra lift making the take-off's more stable and easier. Only France and the USA operate Carriers now without Ski-jumps.
MrBushWookiee 2 months ago
@MrBushWookiee And the Brazilians... Ski jumps preclude the use of catapults, which severely limits how large an aircraft you can launch.
magicstix0r 2 months ago
@magicstix0r How do the Russians manage to launch their SU33's then off the ski-jump? I believed that was one of the heaviest planes around?
MrBushWookiee 2 months ago
@MrBushWookiee Su-33 is not even remotely the biggest aircraft launched from a carrier. The Su-33 has a very high thrust to weight ratio and relatively low stall speed, otherwise a ski jump wouldn't work for it.
magicstix0r 2 months ago
@MrBushWookiee no. the U.S Navy has launched bigger planes off a Carrier. they use launch Douglas A-3 Skywarriors those are big planes.. F-14 was the largest fighter ever made they sent those up too.
Dogmeat1950 1 month ago
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NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
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@magicstix0r Are you aware that every piece of Aircraft Carrier Technology used by the US Navy was developed by the Brits? Without exception? I think the Royal Navy knows what its doing after the best part of a 1000 years in operation.
NoFaithNoPain 2 months ago
Whatever the circumstances of today, and however painfull the cuts that the Armed Forces have had to suffer, Her Majesty's Royal Navy has always drawn a line to England's enemies that has said 'this far, and no further!'.
Those who say we are done for would say different if they were on the receiving end of our firepower.
dezboss 2 months ago
I am not taking it out on anyone.So you are saying that the RN are going to have to wait nearly 20 years for the Americans to build such a small number of planes for us or the BBC are full of it?
Also if I remenber correctly the plan was to build 3 of these carriers,each one was to be 100,000 tons and 1,000 ft in length,what happened?
Is it also true that when or if the 2 new carriers are ever built one is to be given over to the French Navy to man and fit out with planes?
Marlever357 3 months ago
Heard on the news today that the two new carriers will be fully operational by 2030...thats right you`ve got it 2030.What a bloody joke.
Marlever357 3 months ago
@Marlever357 not true. Thats the total order of F35s, including all trials of planes and fitiings. Remember we are waiting on the Americans for the F35s... dont take it out on the Govt or MoD.
Pringles352 3 months ago
how many type 26 frigates are they meant to be buying?
thethreelions3 3 months ago
@thethreelions3
they proberly won't daivd cameron doesn't have any money left after he spent it
miknej60 3 months ago
I hope they name one of them Ark Royal.
edj66 3 months ago
@edj66 I think that Prince Charles has seen to it that they will.
dezboss 2 months ago
This video is out of date which has probably been said already. We are getting conventional CATOBAR and F35s.
JohnnyZenith 7 months ago
@TheARMAProductions You're absolutely right of course but 6 ships is still only 6 hulls in the water. They cannot be in 2 places at once. 12 means more areas covered. Alas we still have a very capable navy compared to most, particularly from 2020.
JohnnyZenith 7 months ago
50 F-35? That's some crazy firepower.. 5th generation stealth aircraft..
ddnguyen278 7 months ago
@ddnguyen278 A maximum capacity of 40 (50 if you read some sources) of fighters is a bit misleading. The Royal Navy/Fleet Air Arm never carry more fighters than can fit into the hangers during peace time. For example, they can fit just over Forty F35s on the deck, but in reality, that's how many they can store in the hangers below. During war time (Check footage of Falklands War for source) then they also carry fighters on top. For now, 40 F35s and 5 Heli's are the figures I've been hearing.
MrBushWookiee 5 months ago
@MrBushWookiee So what would it be during war time?
MrXray2011 3 months ago
@MrXray2011 To be honest, probably depends on the conflict. For Iraq, I believe we just kept at our peace-time capacity but sent two carriers instead of one. For the Falklands, we was even cramming in helicopters into the bellies of container ships. I reckon if we had a war where it did require the bulk of our forces, like the Falklands did, probably about 60 Fighters on each carrier instead of 40. Helicopters would be likely boosted more in the fleet, perhaps even 4x as many.
MrBushWookiee 3 months ago
@MrBushWookiee 60 fighters isn't too bad, not sure whether the Royal Navy are getting that many so they would have to use the ones for the RAF (which I'm not sure will have the hook to 'catch' the plane as it lands.
MrXray2011 3 months ago
@MrXray2011 Yeah although nothing that I have read is confirmed, I can see the RAF having this because they had landing on carriers with the RAF Harriers as close as 2008 that I know of. I'd be surprised if they didn't. Plus it'd be great for them to launch off the carriers and onto captured or constructed airbases a month or two into a war. That way they wouldn't need to bring in air refuellers which need foreign basing typically or long flights which are expensive.
MrBushWookiee 3 months ago
@MrBushWookiee Hmmmm it would be good... especially if there was a problem with any of the F-35's they could easily be replaced by RAF jets... And yeah the Sea Harrier was retired so the Royal Navy used the RAF GR7 and GR9's until 2010 when they were all retired.
MrXray2011 3 months ago
The original order was for 12 Type 45s this was reduced to 6 simply to save money, 12 was considered the minimum needed to replace the type 42s so there will be a large reduction in our destroyer fleet, bloody government always screws the senior service the most
fairclought7 7 months ago
@fairclought7 But we are looking at building the 'UXV Combatant' which is a Destroyer and a UAV carrier!!! They look pretty good and if we managed to get 6 then our destroyer fleet would be 12 so I'm thinking that they only got 6 Type 45's so that they could spend more on the UXV Combatant. It will operate Taranis UCAV's which will be able to fight other fighter aircraft, they will be the best UAV's in the world!!!
MrXray2011 3 months ago
@leonwiganer What is this future French aricratf carrier ?
xsf908 8 months ago
Holy shit you europeans are gunna be kicking ass on the big blue in a couple of years.
MUMBLINGvKEVIN 8 months ago
@MUMBLINGvKEVIN Royal navy mate ( The British navy ) not european
IKINKY1 8 months ago
@MUMBLINGvKEVIN If anything we should be kicking the european unions ass for getting us in the mess we are in.
PANDABOIII 8 months ago
@leonwiganer yeah i no that now we are not selling it anymore one is going to be for operational purposes and one is going to be put in reserve so we will never be fielding 2 QESC at any one time unless of a state of emergency of course but we wont really need it because even when the EU nations finish there projects by about 2018 we will have 12 carriers for operations and another 12 in reserve thats power that only the EU can fund..
iSmeLLbUd 8 months ago
@7960Dan That's our national debt, not our deficit. It's very, very different. Presuming we don't add to it by more than 3% of GDP per year it'll simply inflate away over time.
blibbax 9 months ago
i've heard that we are keeping both carriers now but because of new designs to the ship (no more take off ramp) the ships have cost double of what they were meant to be
mrshitslap1 9 months ago
@7960Dan one of the carriers is getting built now
wiganerrmc 10 months ago
@7960Dan already under construction BAE systems is a british company and it works tight with the goverment in funding etc last report i heard they were 40 % complete but i have also heard we are selling 1 to france but the rest of the EU are builiding their own super carriers 2 and Britain is harldy going to be bested when it comes to naval supremacy i heard from a EU governmental gathering that all in all European nations will have 23 super carriers at their disposal making us power of the sea
iSmeLLbUd 10 months ago
@7960Dan we can actually yes and what is more I believe we can't afford not to
gluepot66 10 months ago
Nelson would be proud....
Waltham1892 11 months ago
oh god its you again with your shitty music.
citizenerased1992 11 months ago
You do realize that we are no longer buying the vertical take off (VTOL) variant of the lightening.
alex471996 11 months ago
Great vid as usual, but you really need to change to music :)
aussienscale 1 year ago
testing
KiloByte69 1 year ago
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KiloByte72 1 year ago
The English have always highly sophisticated equipment, and during war they are highly destroyed :D viva argentina.
eikkkN 1 year ago
I love all the Anti British messages form the Americans on this page, it does show just that so many of them love to demonstrate their sky high levels of intelligence and spout mindless abuse about things they probably don't even understand.
dezboss 1 year ago
ok, know, fuck u, im a fucken police officer in training, u cheeky bastard, i dont drink and tbh u r begging to bore me. the british army is still recruting. the navy is being modernised and the harrier are being repalce by the F-35 lightning, also the challangers are being reduced, but there is a new tank being designed. also most off the videos i have seen are showing our new tech off, and come on every miletery show is centred around america. and also the carriers are being built. more power
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
i would love to now where u r getting ur facts from, as i actualy now alot of mod personel, know plz fuck up as u clearly are ant britsih and have no idea what u r talking about, the cuts u r listinig are over exadurated and also most of the stuff in talked about was built in the uk, u a obviously are so far up americas arse and i cba with faggits like u how have to claim everything as american, next u will be saying that u invented oxygen. America develops wepons to be bettern not invent them!
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 why do you keep on saying i would love to know where you get your facts from ,i told you already the mod website along with every news and industry site has a full and official list of the defence review and the list of the cuts .if you want ill send you the full list so you will have a clue what your talking about .
anyway from your spelling it looks like you are a drunk , learn a little before you open you big mouth
marks95911 1 year ago
It is pretty obvious that both the aircraft carriers are going to come into servise at some point after 2020.Also as well as our type 45 destroyers we are going to build about 16 new frigates(not sure if they will all be type 26 or if there is two classes).To compliment these we are planning what is called the C3 ship a mini-frigate(for some reason the royal navy does not like to use the term corvette)about 2.500-3.000 tonnes displacement about 10 to 15 of them.
james8765100 1 year ago
@james8765100 All things considered ...2 supercarriers,22 large fleet escorts and 15 C3 mini frigates...I think the future of the RN is looking bright!
james8765100 1 year ago
@7960Dan to be honest if the government continues to give out absolute thousands of pounds to each dirty paki who comes into our country we should be able to afford to keep our military up to spec, if anything they should stop giving out money to all the pakis and eastern europeans and africans who come into the country
geod5 1 year ago
sorry but u r sadly mistaken, where u americans make up your power in numbers, we make up our power in sheer experiance, ship quality, technology on the ships and tbh we have more experiance than u will ever have, also our ships are bulit to last, and also i would like to remind u that both carriers are being built, out new destroyers are in service and our new ships are more advanced than your new design, we dont need numbers, we just use our heads.
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 haha i love that you have to qoute in the future we will have lol .what do u have right now ?????
i think you will also find that our older ships are all upgraded costantly and the new ones are being built constantly and are far supperior .as for experience lol well lets see when u finally get carriers in 12 years how many pilots you will have that have landed on one .are tech is the best and thats why u keep buying it
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 our older ships are upgraded constantly aswell, also ur ships are not superior, the type 45 destroyer is far superior to all of uo destroyer classes, better anti- missile defences, better main gun, amazing radar and crew quaters are far supperior to the most advanced ships u have. and u abviously have no idea what u r talking about, WE STILL HAVE CARRIERS. And our piliots are brilliant, and when do we buy ur tech, all of your new guns on our war ships are made by BAE system, FANNY
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 the type 45 were tested on old remote controled aircraft and the wepons systems were tested on old ships aswell, the burkes are not that good btw, america makes it sound like this because they always want to be the best.tomohawk r british as they were tested in the falklands for the first time, but they were made about 10 years before hand. guidence systems are made by use for our own aircraft, that is common knowledge.
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 hellfire missiles were built by lockhead martin and in service inearly 1980s and has nothing to do with uk .apache was developed and built by the usa ,was sold to the uk to be built under liscence ,the uk changed the engine,some avionics ,radar,comunication.
since the the usa has come out with a new model called block 2 ,the uk recieved some of the new upgrades including targeting pods ,avionics,computer systems etc .so its a bit more than the shell as u said
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 also get a life, ur hobby is defence, obviuosly it is only americas, i have an advanced higher history and one of my special topics are the british army and the politis surrounding the brittish army, know if u realy did now this stuff u would realise that during WW2 britain signed a alliance which staed that we have to give all our topic secret projects have to be howen to the americans, and this is still in practice, america also has to show use her plans.
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@marks95911 THAT WE ALL MAY HAVE TO DO IF CHINA KEEPS GOING THE WAY IT IS GOING!
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 i forgot to mention your nuclear deterant .
bae systems were a small company scrapping by on paultry british contracts, after tony blair commited to be with the usa after 9/11 us congress approved bae to supply the us army /navy.this the allowed them to make some real money ,turning them into what they are today
which carriers do you still have ??????????????.if you can call those little things carriers
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 the apache is the name given to these helicopters, they have hellfire missiles which are joint uk and french, the radar is from a russian helicopter and most of the apaches we build only have one thing in common with urs, the body. Also i would love to know where u r getting ur facts from about the artilery and tanks, they are not getting cut back that much, our surface ships are not getting touched and as for the army, we are an isalnd u twat! we have one of the most powerful RAF.
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 the tomahawk was built by general dynamics in the 1970s and has since gone through many updates .it also has nothing to do with the uk except the fact that u bought it
now yor next lies
c130 was built by lockheed in 1956 (nothing to do with uk )
c-17 was mcdonald douglas in 1991 (nothing to do with uk )
c-5 was lockheed in 1968 (nothing to do with uk )
i also said your armed uavs are made in the usa,tarranis is not operational yet and wont be 4 2year
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 LIKE THE WAY THEY REPLACED THINGS WITHIN THE NAVY. SO U REALY NEED TO BRUSH UP ON UR BRITISH STUFF AS U OBVIOUSLY DONT LIKE THE IDEA THAT ANOTHER COUNTRY MIGHT HAVE BETTER THINGS THAT U. AND ITS YOU TUBE, NOT THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, FS U THINK U R BETTER THAN ME BACAUSE ITS UR HOBBY AND I CAN TALK DOWN TO U AS WE BOTH HAVE DIFFRENT VIEWS. AND WHY ARE U COMMING ONTO AN BRITISH SHOW OF STRENGTH, GO LOOK AT VIDEOS OF UR OWN ARMED FORCES. AND OUR TROOPS WORK TOGETHER, WHICH IS SOMETING
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 lol firstly i dont think im better than you i was simply saying dont talk down to me as i have pretty good knowledge of equipment as the military industry and equipment is my hobby .now you may find that boring but i like to learn of the latest tech coming out .
i have a good knowledge of brit equipment as well and i see what is on order for the uk and what is considered good .i also have no problem with any country building great stuff as we usually will buy it
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 the apache is the name given to these helicopters, they have hellfire missiles which are joint uk and french, the radar is from a russian helicopter and most of the apaches we build only have one thing in common with urs, the body. Also i would love to know where u r getting ur facts from about the artilery and tanks, they are not getting cut back that much, our surface ships are not getting touched and as for the army, we are an isalnd u twat! we have one of the most powerful RAF.
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 your next stupid point you say we dont really need carriers as we have bases all over .well its a good thing your not a general .when invading from the sea theres a small thing called close air support .this task fell to the harriers (that have all been retired early ) and no fast moving jets from distant bases can do that in the uk inventory
the tanks and artillery cuts are public and common knowledge
now for your next bunch of rubbish on the equipment (which was laughable)
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 also all our war palnes, tanks, artilery guns, armour, aircraft carriers, battle rifles and all our equitmant are made in Britain. the only thing that is not british is our mine armoured humves, also your new destroyers are using out guns and aint-aircraft anf anti-submarine and anti-missile systems my friend, u have stuff we dont have, but we are develping our own, also the tank, battle ship and war plane were all invented by britain, so Fuck U!
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 so you still have carriers ,hmmm i though the defence review retired them all along with 40% of your tanks and artillery ,several of your surface ships,all your long range maritime patrol aircraft ,large numbers of troops
as for your air defence destroyers type 45 ,they are still untested and have no working system yet .the new burkes are being built with much of the equipment from the new ddg 1000 .the ddg is far supperior to anything u have
marks95911 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 also you dont have any mine armoured humvees but you do have a couple of hundred american mraps
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 u r sad, im just going to tell u this one more time as i have freinds how work for the mod and BAE syestems. most of the things that u just mentioned are joint UK USA and French built mechines, we have our own UAV's called the tarnis, the chinook c130 c-17 c-5 are boeing but the original ones were built in Britain, as it was a joint project by both countrys, but they were tested in the UK.
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 every point that you made was wrong
if you are going to answer back in a stupid way ,please dont bother but if u want a real discussion with verifiable facts then im up for it .
also just some more of your cuts 25000 mod jobs ,17000 army navy raf jobs .set to go shortly are about 70 tornado aircraft ,cutting the in service number to 60 (approx).the rn carrier illustious is to go also along with some royal fleet auxillery.
if you wish i can send u proof of anything i wrote
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 U REALY NEED TO REALISE THAT AMERICA DOES NOT INVENT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. AND TBH I HAVE FRIENDS IN AFGAN AND AS LONG AS THE MECHINES ARE PROTECTING MY FRIENDS AND FELLOW COUNTRY MEN, I DONT GIVE A FUCK HOW INVENTED THESE MACHINES. BRITAIN AND AMERICA HAVE INVENTED THERE FARE SHARE OF ARMY EQUITMENT. AND WE ARE ALLIES SO WE SHARE THINGS, AND THE CUTS ARE NT THAT BAD, THE TANKS HAVE BEEN REDUCED BECAUSE THEY ARE OLD ONES AND ARE BEING REPLACED AND OTHER THINGS ARE BEING REPLACED
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
i am on here to view people opinions on the savage cuts . wasnt cos they were old ,they were challenger 2 tanks,the whole fleet of harriers ,sentinal aircraft that were 3 years old ,aircraft carriers,frigates, half tornados .if you think thats not bad then id hate to see bad
i realise that america does not invent everything , u will find on every brit video claims that the uk is the center of the universe and that you invented everything ,which u tried to do yourself until i proved u wrong
marks95911 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 and our new rifles were designed and built in a factory in england fs, That BAE thing is true, but that is because BAE were given permission by the uk goverment to give wepons plans to america as part of the alliance u twit. and we have 5 carriers and the two new ones are under construction ryt now. we have a number off bases across the world were we can launch from, so carriers are not really needed. we do have some off ur apc but as our old ones went outdated while we were
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 listen if your going to have a disscussion with me then please dont just blindly make up facts .also please do not feel you can talk down to mew ,the defence industry is my hobby and has been for the last 10 years
it seems obvious now through hearing your fairy tails that either you do not watch the news or read so im going to try to go through just a few of your wierd ideas
lol yes you did invent a few great things when u were powerful (100 years ago )
marks95911 1 year ago
@marks95911 desighning our new ones so we needed to buy some to protect our troops, and both countries are allies so they have to share shit, this is part of the allies agrement. so plz dont start this shit again as i hate argueing over things that are debated about all the time, i donr give a fuck how built them, they are protecting my country and our troops so i dont give a fuck if u produced something we use, we invented peniciline, the television, the tank and other things so u use our stuff
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 so
! your 5 carriers lol ,well firstly you had 2 ,ark royal and illustrious .the ark royal was scrapped november 2010 ,all the harriers were decomisioned leaving the illustious with no aircraft .i dunno if you heard of the defence cuts ,
you then go on to say the rn surface ships have been untouched ,well thats funny as 4 days ago another frigate hms chatham was scrapped
you then cockily go on to say i dunno where your getting ur info ,well how about the mod website !!!!!
marks95911 1 year ago
yes it would cost more and this is why they are buliding both the carriers, britain naval power is coming back
mrscottish1993 1 year ago
@mrscottish1993 Only one is going to be in service. The RN is going to be 80 ships and 26,000 strong. In 1945 it was 9,500 ships and 865,000 strong. There is no power left in the Royal Navy. 18 escorts and a carrier. Hardly world beating. We had 52 carriers, 15 battleships, and 319 major escorts in '45.
At the moment it's a hollow shell. And it won't take long for someone to realise that and to break it open.
BertrumPantyshield 1 year ago
I heard that because of the complex legalities of the contracts between the government & the manufacturers it would actually cost MORE to cancel the carriers! Is this correct?
Rikki442 1 year ago
@Rikki442 As far as I'm aware the contracts forced the government to keep the shipyards in work whether the carriers were built or not. So if CVF was cancelled the government would still end up paying the yard costs out to 2016, and have to build other ships in them.
It's cost more to delay them. The National Audit Office stated that Queen Elizabeth will cost ~£4b; Prince of Wales ~£950m. The cost of the delay is most of the difference. If they were on time total costs would probably be sub £3b
BertrumPantyshield 1 year ago
how many battel groups dose the uk have..?
pakifucker999999999 1 year ago
Astute is big, its the best submarine and the most advanced in the world. nothing can beat it, t45 is good but we have only 6? it may have amazing kit but at least 1 perhaps 2 will always be in refit? the frigates are ageing but incredibly versatile and will serve us good. what is of major concern is the carriers. we need both carriers for fast jets, but helicopters aswel, ocean will not see the end of the decade and lusty will pay off within a few years.
delpeiro12 1 year ago
@delpeiro12 One of either Lusty or Ocean is to remain is service as an LPH (the other mothballed) until 2020 when CVF is ready (and 2023 for F-35C to be ready).
Perhaps they'll bring back the mothballed Albion and Bay Class, and cross-deck helos. The SDSR did reduce the amphibious requirement from landing 4,000 to 1,800. Deep in the SDSR there is also mention of 16 Type 26s, so take into account cost overrun and it'll be 8-12. 18 escorts is enough is for 1 CVF + amphib.
BertrumPantyshield 1 year ago
Wow air craft carrier porn has really developed in the UK..........
Lordangers 1 year ago
@29Gixxer u should take a look at your own debt ratios i believe the uk is bigger in term of gdp .also the latest batch of burke class have many new upgrades including some of the systems and radar from zumwalt class.anyway u have no carriers for those air defence destroyers to protect
marks95911 1 year ago
@jonboy1973 yes I believe she is in yet another 'refit'...must be the most upated ship in the world!
pquinn448 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee Interestingly were is the CdG at the moment?
pquinn448 1 year ago
@pquinn448 is she broken again? dear oh dear
jonboy1973 1 year ago
damn now they'll all be scrapped
I guess its 'bread and butter' first
Ahamster1 1 year ago
brits say they av the most advance destroyer in world too,get the fuck outta here,upgraded arleigh burke ships can match type 45 anyday,arleigh burke ships also carry more missiles n its anti-air capability is 1 of the most advance in the world,some ships in the arleigh burke class av now av anti-ballistic missile capability,type 45 doesnt,so sorry brits,yanks also are advance too,oh isnt it u.k av cut its defense spending..ooohh,poor guy.
fmoa 1 year ago
@fmoa Nice grammar, retard....
no0bscap3 1 year ago
each cosidered to best in the world..hahahahahahaha..brits forget about the u.s virginia class subs n the new gerald ford class aircraft carriers,both of this u.s class of ships are advance,virginia class is on same level as the astute,but when gerald ford class aircraft carriers went into services,it will be the most advance n more powerful than queen elizabeth,heck,queen elizabeth aint a supercarrier,please brits stop comparing your ships wit old british ships,compare it to u.s ships.
fmoa 1 year ago
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@stalkingalizee Good Point although I wonder who would want to buy the Queen Elizabeth? Also there will be another SDSR before 2015 (possibly before if this one doesn't stick) and so the decision may be reconsidered so not all hope is lost. Personally I beliee Cameron is just pushing back a lot of the big decisions and is hoping that in another few years there will be enough money and they can buy things like these.
pquinn448 1 year ago
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pquinn448 1 year ago
Chill out people. Its been confirmed in the news today that the Royal Navy has won its fight for the Carrier's. And an MOD Spokesman has confirmed that its looking "highly likely" the carrier's are safe from the chop. So, all should be well with these beasts. Only thing is, HMS Prince of Wales delivery will be delayed, but sources have already stated she won't be ready for launch in 2018 anyway......she'll be there, maybe a little late, but she'll be there! :)
Dippers85 1 year ago
@Dippers85 Yeah, but to get it they have to scrap the Harriers and Ark Royal. QE and Illustrious will be helo carriers until PC comes and will sell QE. F-35B is dropped for 40 F-35Cs that won't come until 2020. RN will go 8 years without an air arm. Looks like France will be the best Navy in Europe for the next decade at least...lol
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee i doubt it,as the CDG spends more time in port broken,than at sea,the French only occasionally have fleet air cover themselves!
jonboy1973 1 year ago
@jonboy1973 CdG is 9 years old, it went 7 years without incident. Been to the Indian Ocean 6 times, 3X around the world in nm. Bombed the crap out of Taliban in 3 air campaigns. Spending a couple extra months in drydock every 8 years does not make it broken most of the time.
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee James Dunnigan..."how NOT to build an aircraft carrier"...makes interesting reading,did you know that the engineers of CDG,are exposed to FIVE times the recommended doses of radiation?....bet they just love getting drafted to her,unless they want children and a pension,of course!
jonboy1973 1 year ago
@jonboy1973 None of what you or that game designer state is true. CdG runs on proven reactors used in our submarines for decades. The ship wouldn't be allowed to operate if radiation exposure is even approaching recommended levels, much less 5 times. duh
stalkingalizee 1 year ago
@stalkingalizee ok,it is all untrue.....if you say so.
jonboy1973 1 year ago
@7960Dan You are right Dan. Time to get out the mothballs... here comes the 2010 defence review!
semperfidelis677 1 year ago
@Studas2006 And remember, the Royal Navy and the Royal Marines, in the hands of the right people and right minds, is probably the most terrifying force on earth.
dezboss 1 year ago
@Studas2006 Well, however much we need these things, they they do cost a hell of a lot of money. And we are still in a very serious economic situation.
I hate the fact that the Navy isn't as big as it could be, but I just console myself being reminding myself just how much power the fleet has as it is.
dezboss 1 year ago
In fact, to hell with every other armed force of every other country in the world. I bet you anything you like, however things may seem these days, whatever our position in the world may be, pick a fight with us and our forces will give you an almighty smack in the face.
Crecy, Sluys, Agincourt, the Armarda, Bleinheim, Gibraltar, Quiberon Bay, Quebec, the Saints, St Vincent, Glorious 1st of June, the Nile, Copenhagen, Trafalgar, Waterloo, two world wars, the Falklands and hundreds more!!!
dezboss 1 year ago
God I love our Armed Forces, the Navy especially. I cannot wait to join once I've graduated from Oxford.
dezboss 1 year ago
Have heard we will sadly sell one of the carriers to save money ? Anyone else heard this ?
bri4u2906 1 year ago
@bri4u2906 yep to india or share it with the french to cut cost .they will announce what there going to do in oct .nothing for sure yet
marks95911 1 year ago
@bri4u2906 Yes. There has been a report on BBC news where it has been discussed during current Tory Party Conference. Probably to America as they do not have such an up-to-date concept in carriers!
ericartwo1 1 year ago
@7960Dan The point is these carriers will be around for atleast 50 years. They can guarentee the UK will have strategic military presence and political leverage for the duration of that period as it did for all nations who posessed aircraft carriers in the 20th century. Can that capability be measured with monetary value? Or in 50 years will the troubles of the early 21st century just be distant memories.
TowerHamletsNeil 1 year ago
@7960Dan Money comes and goes, with Major Powers around the world procuring large aircraft carriers for the first time (India as a prime example) the real question is can we afford to do without them. Aircraft carriers aren't merely a military platform for deploying airpower they are an important political and diplomatic tool and if the UK wishes to maintain its position as a major player in the world community the British military requires interventionist capability.
TowerHamletsNeil 1 year ago 4
@7960Dan The shell for the first carrier is basically complete it just needs to be assembled and fitted out. And the construction of the second is too far along to be cancelled now it'd be a huge loss in investment and cancelling contracts with companies with huge legal teams such as BAE and Thales cost a fortune. It'd be more expensive to stop now than it would be to continue. We are "over the hump" as they say..
TowerHamletsNeil 1 year ago 4
2carriers
4 45's
7 23's
4astutes
2albion
1 ocean
4 bay
@probable task force if argentina invaded falklands
pleas let them attack......plllllllease
numba1danman 1 year ago
@numba1danman stupid ignorant, u must to stop with your war games
serdrummer10 1 year ago
@serdrummer10 why, argentina take such pride in attacking british politics they should surrender claim to the british islands or if not atleast act like there british seen as we won the war
numba1danman 1 year ago
@numba1danman they did surrender claim,15 may 1850,the Arana-Southern agreement,there was then 91 years of silence form Buenos Aires,until Peron went back on the agreement,and the word of Argentina,in order to galvanise his anarchic people behind a common cause,and quash internal unrest..much the same as Galtieri in '82.
jonboy1973 1 year ago
Type 23 will be replaced by the Tpe 26 in the group probably
pquinn448 1 year ago
does the astute have VLS for its tomahawks?
will it use crappy mk 48?
95predator 1 year ago
@95predator i think they are tube launched,still do the job though! lol
jonboy1973 1 year ago
@95predator Tigerfish, and there is no vls on the astute, it has tubes, but carries 38 weapons made up of torps and toms.
MindgamesNZ 1 year ago
@MindgamesNZ cool pretty impressive.
95predator 1 year ago
@MindgamesNZ spearfish mate,tigerfish was dropped years ago
jonboy1973 1 year ago
@veritascrusader i fear you could be right,after all,we have to pay £45,000,000 a day for the privilege of being part of europe.......it sucks!
jonboy1973 1 year ago
@jonboy1973 you also pay for being a part of NATO
- the lives of your soldiers. whats this compared to 45.000.000 pounds?
greetings from Germany!
95predator 1 year ago
@95predator at the end of the day,NATO deserted us in 1982,with one or two exceptions,and to be fair,our expensive membership of Europe just seems to give us the right to welcome every immigrant into the UK,people who hate our flag,but love our benefits,..
jonboy1973 1 year ago 2
@jonboy1973 If you lived in Germany, were german citizen of british origin, wouldn't you stay loyale with UK? Yes I know Brussel sucks they take us our national rights and so on, want us all to think the same. I think although that Europe will lose importance without EU - same with UK!
And it's just good for EU and Brussel if there are littler states like Cz blocking ;)
in 82 , what could we have done? we had no real subs, frigates, only some tornadoes with which we could have helped you!
95predator 1 year ago
@95predator it wasn't necessarily aimed at Germany,but NATO could have put more pressure on Argentina,after all,an attack on one,was in theory,an attack on all,certain areas within the US let us down badly,casper Weinberger was our biggest allie,Anne Kirkpatrick dines with Galtieri as the invasion took place! and now Hilary Clinton opens her mouth before engaging her brain!
heard a whisper that Germany has started printing Deutschmarks again...have you heard that?
jonboy1973 1 year ago
@jonboy1973 completely agree with u mate
miknej60 1 year ago
nice a F35b
Greatnemo 1 year ago
Ur Navy are really Strong.İt seems they will be better...
aberhan78 1 year ago
@29Gixxer
No, i think the pilot of that f22 just did it right there cause that was where all of the visitors and people were standing.
Either way, the f22 supercruises faster than the ef. It also has stealth tech which allows it to have the first shot first kill advantage.
This alone makes it better.
andrewm153351 1 year ago
@29Gixxer
i already sent you the url. If you didn't get it. then just go to google and type "f-22"
click on the first link and scroll down to "thrust/weight"
"it's not about manouverability but super cruise performance"
LOL you do know that the f22 ALSO supercruises faster than the ef right? HAHAHA.
andrewm153351 1 year ago
and if you watch the vertical climb of the ef in your video, it is NOTHING compared to the vertical climb of the f22 in mine. Just watch.
watch?v=eT6dz25JbFY
andrewm153351 1 year ago
congrats
SheepJumpFish 1 year ago
@andrewm153351 I'm not gonna say the Eurofighter is better than the F-22, because I know it isn't. But your argument there really is stupid. It's a very simple case of Thrust to weight ratios, that's all there is. The F-22's 2 x F119s give it a thrust to weight (loaded) ratio of 1.09, the Eurofighter has a loaded thrust:weight ratio of 1.15. Therefore the Eurofighter will climb better vertically, does that make it a better aircraft? No. But it does prove your argument is just stupid.
rvfharrier 1 year ago
@rvfharrier
well obviously with such a tiny plane like that, you will have more thrust/weight, but its the fact that the f-22 is advanced in maneuverability, AND bvr that makes it the most capable and feared fighter jet in the world.
andrewm153351 1 year ago
@29Gixxer
haha you use youtube vids as sources...lol. first off, your link that you have obviously doesn't take into consideration the fact that the f22 utilizes 50% of its fuel when on stealthy missions because it doesn't have to use afterburner. If it had a full tank it would probably have 1.14. Either way, i would like for you to tell me how to find the link of the supposed ef thrust.
andrewm153351 1 year ago