4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
[…] Written by way of commandment, and also by way of prophecy and of revelation […]Which is to show unto the remnant of the House of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever – And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations.
Mormon 5:14 [...] that they may be persuaded that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God; that the Father may bring about, through his most Beloved, his great and eternal purpose [...]
Moroni 10:33 And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ, by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot.
Alma 22:13 […] the plan of redemption, which was prepared from the foundation of the world, through Christ, for all whosoever would believe on his name.
14 And since man had fallen he could not merit anything of himself; but the sufferings and death of Christ atone for their sins,
Mormon 8:35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.
1 And now, I speak also concerning those who do not believe in Christ.
2 Behold, will ye believe in the day of your visitation—behold, when the Lord shall come, yea, even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, yea, in that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God—then will ye say that there is no God?
Alma 4:14 […] thus retaining a remission of their sins; being filled with great joy because of the resurrection of the dead, according to the will and power and deliverance of Jesus Christ from the bands of death.
Mosiah 4: 2 […] O have mercy, and apply the atoning blood of Christ that we may receive forgiveness of our sins, and our hearts may be purified; for we believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who created heaven and earth, and all things; who shall come down among the children of men.
2 After they had prayed unto the Father in the name of Christ, they laid their hands upon them, and said:
3 In the name of Jesus Christ I ordain you to be a priest (or if he be a teacher, I ordain you to be a teacher) to preach repentance and remission of sins through Jesus Christ, by the endurance of faith on his name to the end. Amen.
2 Nephi 31:20 Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
Alma 27:28 [...] and they never did look upon death with any degree of terror, for their hope and views of Christ and the resurrection; therefore, death was swallowed up to them by the victory of Christ over it.
Moroni 9:25 My son, be faithful in Christ; and may not the things which I have written grieve thee, to weigh thee down unto death; but may Christ lift thee up, and may his sufferings and death, and the showing his body unto our fathers, and his mercy and long-suffering, and the hope of his glory and of eternal life, rest in your mind forever.
Moroni 7:25 Wherefore, by the ministering of angels, and by every word which proceeded forth out of the mouth of God, men began to exercise faith in Christ; and thus by faith, they did lay hold upon every good thing; and thus it was until the coming of Christ.
3 Nephi 28:23 And it came to pass that thus they did go forth among all the people of Nephi, and did preach the gospel of Christ unto all people upon the face of the land; and they were converted unto the Lord, and were united unto the church of Christ, and thus the people of that generation were blessed, according to the word of Jesus.
Ether 4:8 And he that will contend against the word of the Lord, let him be accursed; and he that shall deny these things, let him be accursed; for unto them will I show no greater things, saith Jesus Christ; for I am he who speaketh.
Alma 11:42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death.
Moroni 6:4 And after they had been received unto baptism, and were wrought upon and cleansed by the power of the Holy Ghost, they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; and their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God, to keep them in the right way, to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.
Jacob 6:9 Know ye not that if ye will do these things, that the power of the redemption and the resurrection, which is in Christ, will bring you to stand with shame and awful guilt before the bar of God?
Jacob 6:8 Behold, will ye reject these words? Will ye reject the words of the prophets; and will ye reject all the words which have been spoken concerning Christ, after so many have spoken concerning him; and deny the good word of Christ, and the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and quench the Holy Spirit, and make a mock of the great plan of redemption, which hath been laid for you?
Alma 37:33 Preach unto them repentance, and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ; teach them to humble themselves and to be meek and lowly in heart; teach them to withstand every temptation of the devil, with their faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Moroni 7:19 Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.
6 And now if Christ had not come into the world, speaking of things to come as though they had already come, there could have been no redemption.
7 And if Christ had not risen from the dead, or have broken the bands of death that the grave should have no victory, and that death should have no sting, there could have been no resurrection.
8 But there is a resurrection, therefore the grave hath no victory, and the sting of death is swallowed up in Christ.
Moroni 7:22 For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.
Helaman 3: 28 Yea, thus we see that the gate of heaven is open unto all, even to those who will believe on the name of Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God.
Alma 21:9 Now Aaron began to open the scriptures unto them concerning the coming of Christ, and also concerning the resurrection of the dead, and that there could be no redemption for mankind save it were through the death and sufferings of Christ, and the atonement of his blood.
Mormon 9:37 And may the Lord Jesus Christ grant that their prayers may be answered according to their faith; and may God the Father remember the covenant which he hath made with the house of Israel; and may he bless them forever, through faith on the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
16 For behold, the Spirit of the Lord hath already ceased to strive with their fathers; and they are without Christ and God in the world; and they are driven about as chaff before the wind. 17 They were once a delightsome people, and they had Christ for their shepherd; yea, they were led even by God the Father.
3 Nephi 10:15 Behold, I say unto you, Yea, many have testified of these things at the coming of Christ, and were slain because they testified of these things.
2 Nephi 33:11 And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye—for Christ will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things, notwithstanding my weakness.
2 Nephi 33:10 [...] hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good.
Mormon 9:29 See that ye are not baptized unworthily; see that ye partake not of the sacrament of Christ unworthily; but see that ye do all things in worthiness, and do it in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God; and if ye do this, and endure to the end, ye will in nowise be cast out.
Jacob 1: 7 Wherefore we labored diligently among our people, that we might persuade them to come unto Christ, and partake of the goodness of God, that they might enter into his rest,
Jacob 4:12 And now, beloved, marvel not that I tell you these things; for why not speak of the atonement of Christ, and attain to a perfect knowledge of him, as to attain to the knowledge of a resurrection and the world to come?
Alma 5: 48 […] I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name.
Mormon 9:36 And behold, these things which we have desired concerning our brethren, yea, even their restoration to the knowledge of Christ, are according to the prayers of all the saints who have dwelt in the land.
Jacob 4: 11 […] be reconciled unto him through the atonement of Christ, his Only Begotten Son, and ye may obtain a resurrection, according to the power of the resurrection which is in Christ, and be presented as the first-fruits of Christ unto God,
Alma 34: 8 […] I do know that Christ shall come among the children of men, to take upon him the transgressions of his people, and that he shall atone for the sins of the world; for the Lord God hath spoken it.
5 For behold, when ye shall be brought to see your nakedness before God, and also the glory of God, and the holiness of Jesus Christ, it will kindle a flame of unquenchable fire upon you.
8 Behold I say unto you, he that denieth these things knoweth not the gospel of Christ; yea, he has not read the scriptures; if so, he does not understand them.
Mosiah 3:17 […] there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.
2 Nephi 25:26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
3 Nephi 9:15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.
Ether 3:14 Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.
Alma 7:13 Now the Spirit knoweth all things; nevertheless the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their transgressions according to the power of his deliverance; and now behold, this is the testimony which is in me.
Alma 7:12 And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities.
Alma 7:11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.
Alma 7:10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem [citing the nearest major city, Bethlehem is 6 miles away] which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.
DOES THE BOOK OF MORMON TEACH JESUS IS THE CHRIST? .
I offer some excerpts from The Book of Mormon in answer:
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Alma 7:9 But behold, the Spirit hath said this much unto me, saying: Cry unto this people, saying—Repent ye, and prepare the way of the Lord, and walk in his paths, which are straight; for behold, the kingdom of heaven is at hand, and the Son of God cometh upon the face of the earth.
why do u think that the "Mormon" church is REALLY called 'The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day-Saints" and the fact that you say were the only religion that thinks Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan, u need to read the bible lol! even in the bible it says that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer... our whole church is about being like Christ. so how are we denying it?
Christians *follow* Jesus, not just occasionally mention the name. They actually follow Joseph Smith and their living prophets. It's all "Follow the Prophet, He knows the way!" and "Praise to the Man"
They do not behave as Jesus taught. It's a non-Christian man-following cult.
I always figured if there was such a thing as a true church, that the entire world would reject and deny it. I have never seen a church so hated and feared as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Why is it feared so much?
Good Job riding on the coat tails of miss informed youth, Dont go into details about something you know nothing about, thats the best thing you could have done.
But I hope that some day you do actually practice what you preach, and do your homework before making a blanket statement about things you know nothing of.
You ever hear the phrase " nothings free"
Do you honestly believe that your eternal salvation is "free"?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not prideful in spite of the fact that Mormonism is nonsense. There's no making it go away, no forcing into being reasonable and rational.
how come mormons want "us" to call them Christian but when we lay out our terms for who Christ is we are not Christian and not mormon? We are, in Joseph SMiths words "anathema"
If referring to Protestant Christianity then, NO, Mormons are not that type of Christian. Are they restorationist Christians? YES. By Websters or dictionary dot coms definition, are Mormons Christian? YES. I guess it all depends in what context you put it in.
Mormons are not Christan because in their founder Joesph Smith he believe that he saw god in a body with flesh and bones, in the bible it said no man cannot see me when you die. They believe that the devil was the brother if Jesus under Joesph and the bible said the devil was one of the gods angel. The Mormon Church is all based on following a man they believe. They believe he discoverd another scripture translated by Joesph they are following a man and he should be a false prophet!!
The problem is Teeth, you're source of information is solely from anti-LDS material. If that's what you want to believe there's nothing that will change your mind. Just remember the last person to bring something new to the world was also rejected and killed. History has a way of repeating itself.
Just a thought, did you know the word "Christian" is actually not even found anywhere in the Holy Bible anywhere. If you can find it anywhere please show me. That said, members of the Church of Jesus Christ base all of their teachings on the Jesus Christ of the Old and New Testament so if that isn't a follower of Christ I do not know what is.
Christian is used in the Bible, Catholic, Mormon, are not.
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Thank you for that verse, I also found the word "Christian" used in the Book of Mormon in the identical context, that is, as a follower of Christ. No neither are the words Catholic or Mormon in the Bible. Well, personally I do not like to be called 'Mormon' because that is slang and not the name of my church or the head of my church, it is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and the head of it is Jesus Christ and his teachings are those which I try to incorporate into my life.
According to my understanding, Mormons do not worship the God or Christ that we find in our KJB; Jesus is not the spirit brother of Lucifer, God the Father has no physical body he is spirit and no man has seen him at any time, the original lie is that we can become Gods (we cant), Lucifer said he will be like the most high among other sins of pride, Lucifer and 1 third of Heavens Angels were cast out, Mormon is not Christian they follow the demonic divinations of Joseph Smith, etc.
Dont continue to fool yourself Mormonism would not qualify as Christian by any stretch of the imagination, the fact remains that Mormonism is so vastly contrary to Christianity that one would be as well off to simply believe in a superman comic as apposed to believing in the book of Mormon, the pearl of great price, etc.
I don't understand still the continual persecution of good people. Why don't you have anything positive to share with others like the gospel of Jesus Christ? I do not believe his teachings include an active agenda to continually put down, mock, and tell other people what they believe. I know what I believe and to compare my beliefs to devil worship is at best insulting and at worst slander and pride. Christ himself said that however you treat even the least of these is how you treat me.
I get persecuted by lds people all the time... told I am going to hell becuz I don't go to their church... or will go to some lower kingdom, I can't have his spirit with me becuz I don't take the sacrament, won't be with my family in heaven becuz we aren't "sealed"... See all those things are ordinances... and they are in no way authorized to make such statements. Why would Jesus die for us if he could be trumped by ordinances in this world? Put your faith in Jesus NOT ordinances...
If that is actually true, I personally apologize for their ignorance. It is not a common practice and is definitely preached against from the pulpit to ever put down anyone or any group of people for any reason period.
However, I have heard similar comments from several who allege to be "Christians" including here on YouTube that Mormons are all going to "hell" in fact I have heard that repeatedly. Whereas, I almost never see those comments from Mormons on here or real life.
No it does matter a lot, you're claim is not Biblical, where does God give women that title of prophetess who can see the future, he never does and you know it.
If making Lucifer some sort of escape goat that God will ultimately unload all sin upon is not a blatant denial of Christ's work on Calvary........ i dont know where you got that from. Christ is the ultimate sacrifice for sin.
The SDA church is rather unique in the Christian community, her view of Azazel the Scapegoat of Lev. 16 is completely opposite that held by most Christians. The SDA church holds that Azazel represent Satan not Christ.
and your wrong about women. Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron, was a prophetess. Deborah was a prophetess in the time of The Judges. At the time of the birth of the Christ, Anna was a prophetess who was at the Temple when the Messiah was brought there as an infant.Huldah is the only other woman of the Old Testament era who is specifically referred to as a prophetess.
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: (prophetesses)
It should be noted, however, that women like Miriam, Deborah and Huldah were not credited with the seer's insight into the future, but were called "prophetesses" because of the poetical inspiration of their speech.
Okay brother. I'm Just going to agree to disagree with you. We could wrong eachother all day. Our common ground is Jesus. Our common ground is love. I appreciate your attempt but Seventh day adventist dont view Ellen G. White as a deity. We see her as a person just like you and me. We all have spiritual gifts. Her writings are not our source of worship or praise. Jesus is. Seventh day Adventist are biblical. We are Christian dedicating the seventh day to what it was meant for... rest.
And I strongly disagree with the SDA, your teachings denounce Christ sufficiency on the cross and in doing so you denounce his honesty, calling him a liar, that's something I'm not willing to agree with, denouncing Christ's honesty is not a common ground at all, so don't fool yourself into thinking so. I'll forget about Ellen G. White the false prophetess and you should to.
Laws had no inherent goodness, whearas commandments do... Law = getting circumized. Commandment = loving your neighbor as yourself. Law = sprinkling the blood of animals etc. Commandment = not committing adultery. Law = flesh/worldy based displays of potential faith. Commandment = actual faith. But Jesus did say it best...
For ALL the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
So there are no holy women? Thats rediculous. Mary was some sort of a prophetes. and i'm not comparing Ellen G. White to The Virgin Mary, but God does not leave out women in the holy realm. Your argument is not biblical
Your twisting of my words is the problem, you know that God has never spoken through any prophetess (woman) all the God inspired Holy Prophets are men. All of the prophetesses were of Satan, defiantly not holy; it's a bit ridiculous and unbiblical that God would use Ellen G. White who's a heretical prophetess especially with all of her false prophecies; your association with EGW's deity does closely resemble that of the Catholics false perspective of Marry and her divinity.
Seventh day adventist do not rely on Ellen G. white's Books. They rely on only the Bible. I respect you and I dont force you to obey The sabbath. i just enjoy resting the way God meant the sabbath to be. You seem very judgemental. Why dont we find our common ground to stand on (Jesus's love and his word) stop judging other churches. Because you have no idea.
That's what I thought you would say, "Don't reprove me". Who said anything about the Sabbath anyway, God tells us we can rest on any day so it's your choice you're abiding by Gods word, but bringing man back under the bondage of the rest of the law is another story indeed. Don't forget Satan is not going to pay for mans sins, because Jesus has already paid for them, all of them, unless you think he's a liar, strange God never use's prophetess (woman) he's always used prophets (holy men).
Thank you KempoJoe87, according to scripture your reproof of Mormonism is justified, and at the end of the day Mormonism denies the deity of Christ, denies God, and blasphemes the Holy Spirit.
seventh day adventist? Seventh day adventist do not deny the deity of christ at all. Christ is the main principle. We just keep the sabbath holy no work. we honor Christ the whole week and on sabbath we rest with in him
If making Lucifer some sort of escape goat that God will ultimately unload all sin upon is not a blatant denial of Christ's work on Calvary, then what is it? You are denying his sufficiency and his total propitiation for sin, at the end of the day you don't completely believe him, and that my friend is denial when you call God a liar. You honor him with your lips but your heart is far from him. And let's not even talk about your false prophetess Ellen G. White, who's writings are above reproof.
freemasons are part of the illuminati...(devil worshippers) and also part of the zionism movement....evil. Mormonism is occult and a true Christian is a baptist Christian because it is simple worship and follows only what God/Jesus demands. Mormons have a different baptism ceremony which relates to a freemason ritual. Freemasons also created zionism, catholicsm, and jehovas witnesses.. all occult.
lets discuss real doctrine like baptism, prophets, the Book of mormon, or something real. aaaaa I have a good one, is the Bible the only sacred scripture, infallible, and absolute? or we can discuss also the spirit world and kingdoms of glory. pick and choose and lets have a real conversation. saying "they are sooo messed up" is not really helpful.
what about the books of the Bible that where not included in it but are directly quoted from it? like the book of enoch and some epistles that we have no documents but are quoted and mentioned in the Bible? could they probably be inspired if they where used and studied by the apostles?
dear "teeth": I am amazed how you do not explain real doctrine. Not doctrinal:
1.Christ was married or not.
2.God have sex with Mary.
UNDERSTAND PLEASE!! official doctrine is in the Bible, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. journal of discourses & mormon doctrine are not doctrinal, read the introductions they represent THEIR opinions as everyone has their own.
Anyway sending me a email is easier. Why you don't do it? If you have the "Seer" there's no problem to sending me a proof of it. If you don't do it then I was right and definitely your sources are anti-mormons and you are not telling the truth.
your invitation to your house, was nice from you, but I live in Portugal, right in the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Obviously I can't go to your house.
I wonder if this invitation was because you already know I couldn't accept it.
So, Heretic I never said the quotes were anti-mormons. I said that the sources of your quotes are coming from anti-mormon literature.
You copied the quotes from there and now you are lying that you have the original books.
I don't believe you have "The Seer" which was published in the XIX century and the CHURCH REJECTED WHAT WAS PUBLISHED. And as I said previously you also don't have the "Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson"
Have you reached your celestial glory already that you can see into my library. I not only have The seerer I also have an 1851 Pearl of Great Price published in Liverpool. One of the perks of living in SLC. Sam Weller's Zion Book store and lots of yard sales. Got my 26 Vol. JofD for $25 at a yard sale.
So the word "sex" was not used here. It was the mid 1800's the word sex was not said in public, let alone in a church meeting. Come on get real and read the text and what is being said. JofD Vol. 8, p.115 The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." Look at that last line. Jesus was begotten just like we were begotten by our fathers.(sex)
If Jesus was not "begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." Please enlighten me as to how Jesus was begotten? And remember, Brigham said it was the same way we were begotten, so be carefull you don't end up sucking on your toes.
Just Talmage said:"True, the event was unprecedented; true also it has never been paralleled; but that the VIRGIN BIRTH would be unique was as truly essential to the fulfillment of prophecy as that it should occur at all. That Child to be born of Mary was begotten of Elohim, the Eternal Father, NOT IN VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAW but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof" (Jesus The Christ page 81) Saying the birth is natural is not the same saying there was sex.
If I had nothing else to do I would scan stuff and send to you but you would find another thing to deny the facts of the real discussion. The question is not do I own this book or that book. The text of most of the books are online for all to see at LDS sites.
I think I'm done talking with you. I remember going thru this many times before and one LDS man told me flat out. "I know the LDS church is true and even if Jesus Christ himself came and told me it was false I wouldn't believe it."
Excuses, excuses!!! The "Seer" was rejected as a doctrinal publication so there's no LDS site publishing it. Only anti-mormon sites and literature have some quotes of it. That's why I know you don't have the originals. and you were not saying the truth.
That man was as good as saying, "Don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind already." You just ignore or refuse to see the facts. Begotten means begotten or conceived The fact is the church taught that Jesus was conceived just as we are conceived by our father. It can mean anything else but he was begotten the same way we were and how ever you rework it it is still a LIE!!! He was not begotten the same way we were. I could spend days going around with you, & you would still deny the truth
I just saw a typoin my statement above: (I ment Can't not Can) It CAN'T mean anything else but he was begotten the same way we were and how ever you rework it it is still a LIE!!! He was not begotten the same way we were. I could spend days going around with you, & you would still deny the truth
The quote from Talmage explains that question:"True, the event was unprecedented; true also IT HAS NEVER BEEN PARALLELED; but that the VIRGIN BIRTH would be unique was as truly essential to the fulfillment of prophecy as that it should occur at all. That Child to be born of Mary was begotten of Elohim, the Eternal Father, NOT IN VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAW BUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH A HIGHER MANIFESTATION THEREOF"
I still don't see the conception mechanics in this quote. Saying the Savior was born in a natural way doesn't mean sex. He is talking about the Birth not the conception.
I am inviting you to my home to come and see these books. Otherwise you will just say I took it off the internet, so that will only be a waste of my time. If you wish, you are invited to come to my home and see the library I have from when I was LDS. I will also take you to the local ward where they can look up my name to show you that I am still on the books. But somehow, I think you would still deny everything.
Like already said the anti-mormons invented this doctrine because Sex helps to sell books and movies. Anti-mormons are using sex as a comercial strategy.
AS EVERYBODY CAN SEE ANTI-MORMON INDUSTRY AND PORNO INDUSTRY ARE QUITE SIMILAR
OK just got into this list of comments and wanted comment. How can you say quotes from LDS publications and teachers is anti-mormon writings. Is Ezra Taft benson an anti mormon teacher? "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sence. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy
Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father." (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, page 6
I thought Orson Pratt was an apostle in the LDS church. But you must think he is another one of those anti-mormon writers when he said: "The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore,
the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been
associated in the capacity of husband and wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have
been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father:
You may not here this at the ward today, but that doesn't mean it wasn't taught by Brigham young and others in the church. If the missionaries came to a person's door and said, Hi, were from the church of Satan's brother. They would get a lot of doors slammed in their faces. Just like any false teaching, you have to heat up the frog slowly or he will jump out of the pan and run away.
I was in the LDS church from 1962 till i requested my name be removed in 1975. I lived in SLC, UT and had free access to all the old books and own many of them myself. I'm not an Anti-Mormon person. I'm an Anti-Mormon-Doctrine person. I looked at LDS teachings with an open mind & followed the truth where ever it lead me. I was dismayed by the contridictions in LDS teachings. I have a love for Mormons & want to share the truth I found. Besides, Joseph Smith attacked the Christian church first.
Yes, Orson Pratt was an apostle of the church but he wrote false doctrines which were corrected by BY. Your quote from Pratt was published in the "Seer" in 1853. The Church don't accept the doctrines from the "Seer". Google "Orson Pratt Wiki" and you will see. Next is a quote from the First Presidency about Pratt has written in the Seer
(Part 2) "The Seer [and other writings by Pratt] contain doctrines which we cannot sanction, and which we have felt impressed to disown, so that the Saints who now live, and who may live hereafter, may not be misled by our silence, or be left to misinterpret it. Where these objectionable works, or parts of works, are bound in volumes, or otherwise, they should be cut out and destroyed" (Deseret News, Aug. 12, 1865, 373)
The quote you gave is correct but I don't see the word "sex" in the sentence. I also don't see Benson explaining the mechanics of the Savior conception. he is saying that we believe Jesus is the literal son of God, which is also a biblical doctrine (John 1:14; Eph 4:13; I John 5:5 and many others)
(part 2) I don't believe you have the book "Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson". If you really have that book you would see that next to sentence you quoted is another interesting comment from Benson:
"He was the Only Begotten Son of our Heavenly Father in the flesh-the only child whose mortal body was begotten by our Heavenly Father. His mortal mother, Mary, was called a virgin, BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER she gave birth. (See 1 Nephi 11:20)"- Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, page 6
When people like myself say we have the books, you immediately say we don't. How do you get this information, from a demon? Because I know what books I have, and yet you want to tell me and others we don't own these books..
You see this is the problem the LDS does not count the Holy Bible as being the only sully authoritative Word of God and true Christians base all things as they compare to God's Word, the LDS has added to and ignored the true Word of God, the fundamental error of the LDS cult is denial and mockery of the Holy Spirit -- thus strong dilution has come upon the LDS.
Well tell me where in the Bible gives the definition of a true Christian. Evangelicals invented their own definition of the term Christian. "Christian" was a term used by the gentiles to the Christ followers. The gentiles use to say Cesarians to Cesar followers or herodians to Herodes followers.
So you are showing your ignorance when you are repeating your anti-mormon talk without logical basis. Do a real research!!! Read a good dictionary and see the true meaning of the words.
Being an ex-Mormon myself, I can tell you that yes, the church does teach that God the Father had sex with Mary. The problems with most Mormons is that they don't know their own churches teachings. LDS people don't believe in the same Jesus as evangelical Christians. President Hinkley even said that we don't believe in the same Jesus. LDS church is not christian by Christian standard and beliefs. LDS are spiritual poligamist, meaning they get married to women for time and eternity..con't below.
Although I disagreed with virtually everything said about any religion mentioned including Mormonism, I did find the eerie music quite appropriate.
texaslds 9 months ago
Dude, you are weird.
Billybob11niner 1 year ago
#65
Moroni 10:
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#64
Title Page
[…] Written by way of commandment, and also by way of prophecy and of revelation […]Which is to show unto the remnant of the House of Israel what great things the Lord hath done for their fathers; and that they may know the covenants of the Lord, that they are not cast off forever – And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that JESUS is the CHRIST, the ETERNAL GOD, manifesting himself unto all nations.
[capitalization in original]
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#63
Mormon 5:14 [...] that they may be persuaded that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God; that the Father may bring about, through his most Beloved, his great and eternal purpose [...]
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#62
2 Nephi 11:6 And my soul delighteth in proving unto my people that save Christ should come all men must perish.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#61
Moroni 10:33 And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ, by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#60
2 Nephi 33:6 I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he hath redeemed my soul from hell.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#58
Alma 22:13 […] the plan of redemption, which was prepared from the foundation of the world, through Christ, for all whosoever would believe on his name.
14 And since man had fallen he could not merit anything of himself; but the sufferings and death of Christ atone for their sins,
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#57
Mormon 8:35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#56
Moroni 7:23 And God also declared unto prophets, by his own mouth, that Christ should come.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#55
3 Nephi 11:25 Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#54
Mormon 9:
1 And now, I speak also concerning those who do not believe in Christ.
2 Behold, will ye believe in the day of your visitation—behold, when the Lord shall come, yea, even that great day when the earth shall be rolled together as a scroll, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, yea, in that great day when ye shall be brought to stand before the Lamb of God—then will ye say that there is no God?
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#53
Alma 4:14 […] thus retaining a remission of their sins; being filled with great joy because of the resurrection of the dead, according to the will and power and deliverance of Jesus Christ from the bands of death.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#52
Mosiah 4: 2 […] O have mercy, and apply the atoning blood of Christ that we may receive forgiveness of our sins, and our hearts may be purified; for we believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who created heaven and earth, and all things; who shall come down among the children of men.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#51
Moroni 3:
2 After they had prayed unto the Father in the name of Christ, they laid their hands upon them, and said:
3 In the name of Jesus Christ I ordain you to be a priest (or if he be a teacher, I ordain you to be a teacher) to preach repentance and remission of sins through Jesus Christ, by the endurance of faith on his name to the end. Amen.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#60
2 Nephi 31:20 Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#59
Alma 27:28 [...] and they never did look upon death with any degree of terror, for their hope and views of Christ and the resurrection; therefore, death was swallowed up to them by the victory of Christ over it.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#58
Moroni 9:25 My son, be faithful in Christ; and may not the things which I have written grieve thee, to weigh thee down unto death; but may Christ lift thee up, and may his sufferings and death, and the showing his body unto our fathers, and his mercy and long-suffering, and the hope of his glory and of eternal life, rest in your mind forever.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#57
2 Nephi 33:7 I have charity for my people, and great faith in Christ that I shall meet many souls spotless at his judgment-seat.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#56
Mormon 3:22 And I would that I could persuade all ye ends of the earth to repent and prepare to stand before the judgment-seat of Christ.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#55
Moroni 7:25 Wherefore, by the ministering of angels, and by every word which proceeded forth out of the mouth of God, men began to exercise faith in Christ; and thus by faith, they did lay hold upon every good thing; and thus it was until the coming of Christ.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#54
3 Nephi 28:23 And it came to pass that thus they did go forth among all the people of Nephi, and did preach the gospel of Christ unto all people upon the face of the land; and they were converted unto the Lord, and were united unto the church of Christ, and thus the people of that generation were blessed, according to the word of Jesus.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#53
Ether 4:8 And he that will contend against the word of the Lord, let him be accursed; and he that shall deny these things, let him be accursed; for unto them will I show no greater things, saith Jesus Christ; for I am he who speaketh.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#52
Alma 11:42 Now, there is a death which is called a temporal death; and the death of Christ shall loose the bands of this temporal death, that all shall be raised from this temporal death.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#51
Moroni 6:4 And after they had been received unto baptism, and were wrought upon and cleansed by the power of the Holy Ghost, they were numbered among the people of the church of Christ; and their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God, to keep them in the right way, to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#50
Jacob 6:9 Know ye not that if ye will do these things, that the power of the redemption and the resurrection, which is in Christ, will bring you to stand with shame and awful guilt before the bar of God?
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#49
Jacob 6:8 Behold, will ye reject these words? Will ye reject the words of the prophets; and will ye reject all the words which have been spoken concerning Christ, after so many have spoken concerning him; and deny the good word of Christ, and the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and quench the Holy Spirit, and make a mock of the great plan of redemption, which hath been laid for you?
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#48
Alma 37:33 Preach unto them repentance, and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ; teach them to humble themselves and to be meek and lowly in heart; teach them to withstand every temptation of the devil, with their faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#47
Moroni 7:19 Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a child of Christ.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#46
Mosiah 16:
6 And now if Christ had not come into the world, speaking of things to come as though they had already come, there could have been no redemption.
7 And if Christ had not risen from the dead, or have broken the bands of death that the grave should have no victory, and that death should have no sting, there could have been no resurrection.
8 But there is a resurrection, therefore the grave hath no victory, and the sting of death is swallowed up in Christ.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#45
Moroni 7:22 For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#44
Helaman 3: 28 Yea, thus we see that the gate of heaven is open unto all, even to those who will believe on the name of Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#43
Alma 21:9 Now Aaron began to open the scriptures unto them concerning the coming of Christ, and also concerning the resurrection of the dead, and that there could be no redemption for mankind save it were through the death and sufferings of Christ, and the atonement of his blood.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#42
3 Nephi 29:5 Wo unto him that spurneth at the doings of the Lord; yea, wo unto him that shall deny the Christ and his works!
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#41
Mormon 9:37 And may the Lord Jesus Christ grant that their prayers may be answered according to their faith; and may God the Father remember the covenant which he hath made with the house of Israel; and may he bless them forever, through faith on the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#40
Alma 34:6 And ye also beheld that my brother has proved unto you, in many instances, that the word is in Christ unto salvation.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#39
Mormon 5:
16 For behold, the Spirit of the Lord hath already ceased to strive with their fathers; and they are without Christ and God in the world; and they are driven about as chaff before the wind. 17 They were once a delightsome people, and they had Christ for their shepherd; yea, they were led even by God the Father.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#38
3 Nephi 10:15 Behold, I say unto you, Yea, many have testified of these things at the coming of Christ, and were slain because they testified of these things.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#37
Moroni 1:3 And I, Moroni, will not deny the Christ; wherefore, I wander whithersoever I can for the safety of mine own life.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#36
2 Nephi 33:11 And if they are not the words of Christ, judge ye—for Christ will show unto you, with power and great glory, that they are his words, at the last day; and you and I shall stand face to face before his bar; and ye shall know that I have been commanded of him to write these things, notwithstanding my weakness.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#35
2 Nephi 33:10 [...] hearken unto these words and believe in Christ; and if ye believe not in these words believe in Christ. And if ye shall believe in Christ ye will believe in these words, for they are the words of Christ, and he hath given them unto me; and they teach all men that they should do good.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#34
Mormon 9:29 See that ye are not baptized unworthily; see that ye partake not of the sacrament of Christ unworthily; but see that ye do all things in worthiness, and do it in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God; and if ye do this, and endure to the end, ye will in nowise be cast out.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#33
Alma 31:34 O Lord, wilt thou grant unto us that we may have success in bringing them again unto thee in Christ.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#32
Moroni 6:3 And none were received unto baptism save they took upon them the name of Christ, having a determination to serve him to the end.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#31
Alma 15:8 And Alma said: If thou believest in the redemption of Christ thou canst be healed.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#30
Mosiah 15: 23 They are raised to dwell with God who has redeemed them; thus they have eternal life through Christ, who has broken the bands of death.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#29
Alma 39: 15 […] concerning the coming of Christ. Behold, I say unto you, that it is he that surely shall come to take away the sins of the world;
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#28
Moroni 4:2 And they did kneel down with the church, and pray to the Father in the name of Christ
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#27
Jacob 1: 7 Wherefore we labored diligently among our people, that we might persuade them to come unto Christ, and partake of the goodness of God, that they might enter into his rest,
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#26
3 Nephi 20:31 And they shall believe in me, that I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and shall pray unto the Father in my name.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#25
Moroni 10:6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#24
Helaman 14:17 But behold, the resurrection of Christ redeemeth mankind, yea, even all mankind, and bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#23
Jacob 4:12 And now, beloved, marvel not that I tell you these things; for why not speak of the atonement of Christ, and attain to a perfect knowledge of him, as to attain to the knowledge of a resurrection and the world to come?
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#22
Alma 5: 48 […] I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#21
Mormon 9:36 And behold, these things which we have desired concerning our brethren, yea, even their restoration to the knowledge of Christ, are according to the prayers of all the saints who have dwelt in the land.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#20
Jacob 4: 11 […] be reconciled unto him through the atonement of Christ, his Only Begotten Son, and ye may obtain a resurrection, according to the power of the resurrection which is in Christ, and be presented as the first-fruits of Christ unto God,
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#19
Moroni 7:33 And Christ hath said: If ye will have faith in me ye shall have power to do whatsoever thing is expedient in me.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#18
Mosiah 5: 8 […] There is no other name given whereby salvation cometh; therefore, I would that ye should take upon you the name of Christ,
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#17
Alma 34: 8 […] I do know that Christ shall come among the children of men, to take upon him the transgressions of his people, and that he shall atone for the sins of the world; for the Lord God hath spoken it.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#16
Mormon 9:
5 For behold, when ye shall be brought to see your nakedness before God, and also the glory of God, and the holiness of Jesus Christ, it will kindle a flame of unquenchable fire upon you.
8 Behold I say unto you, he that denieth these things knoweth not the gospel of Christ; yea, he has not read the scriptures; if so, he does not understand them.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#15
Mosiah 3:17 […] there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#14
Omni 1: 26 […] come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#13
Helaman 5: 9 […] remember that there is no other way nor means whereby man can be saved, only through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ,
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#12
Mosiah 16:
13 And now, ought ye not to tremble and repent of your sins, and remember that only in and through Christ ye can be saved?
15 Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father. Amen.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#11
Moroni 10:18 And I would exhort you, my beloved brethren, that ye remember that every good gift cometh of Christ.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#10
2 Nephi 25:26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#9
Alma 38:9 […] there is no other way or means whereby man can be saved, only in and through Christ.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#8
Moroni 7: 38 For no man can be saved, according to the words of Christ, save they shall have faith in his name
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#7
3 Nephi 9:15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#6
Ether 3:14 Behold, I am he who was prepared from the foundation of the world to redeem my people. Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. In me shall all mankind have life, and that eternally, even they who shall believe on my name; and they shall become my sons and my daughters.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#5
Alma 7:13 Now the Spirit knoweth all things; nevertheless the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their transgressions according to the power of his deliverance; and now behold, this is the testimony which is in me.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#4
Alma 7:12 And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#3
Alma 7:11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#2
Alma 7:10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem [citing the nearest major city, Bethlehem is 6 miles away] which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
#1
ARE MORMONS CHRISTIAN?
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DOES THE BOOK OF MORMON TEACH JESUS IS THE CHRIST? .
I offer some excerpts from The Book of Mormon in answer:
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Alma 7:9 But behold, the Spirit hath said this much unto me, saying: Cry unto this people, saying—Repent ye, and prepare the way of the Lord, and walk in his paths, which are straight; for behold, the kingdom of heaven is at hand, and the Son of God cometh upon the face of the earth.
manaen1lds 1 year ago
why do u think that the "Mormon" church is REALLY called 'The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day-Saints" and the fact that you say were the only religion that thinks Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan, u need to read the bible lol! even in the bible it says that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer... our whole church is about being like Christ. so how are we denying it?
curlyjoe8135 1 year ago
Christians *follow* Jesus, not just occasionally mention the name. They actually follow Joseph Smith and their living prophets. It's all "Follow the Prophet, He knows the way!" and "Praise to the Man"
They do not behave as Jesus taught. It's a non-Christian man-following cult.
Trillidotia 2 years ago
I always figured if there was such a thing as a true church, that the entire world would reject and deny it. I have never seen a church so hated and feared as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Why is it feared so much?
driverblue1 2 years ago
Wow prideful much?
All are wrong except you!
Good Job riding on the coat tails of miss informed youth, Dont go into details about something you know nothing about, thats the best thing you could have done.
But I hope that some day you do actually practice what you preach, and do your homework before making a blanket statement about things you know nothing of.
You ever hear the phrase " nothings free"
Do you honestly believe that your eternal salvation is "free"?
Good luck bro!
Supacrazy82 2 years ago
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not prideful in spite of the fact that Mormonism is nonsense. There's no making it go away, no forcing into being reasonable and rational.
And it's misinformed.
moparmonster1965 2 years ago
how come mormons want "us" to call them Christian but when we lay out our terms for who Christ is we are not Christian and not mormon? We are, in Joseph SMiths words "anathema"
IExposeMormonism 2 years ago
If referring to Protestant Christianity then, NO, Mormons are not that type of Christian. Are they restorationist Christians? YES. By Websters or dictionary dot coms definition, are Mormons Christian? YES. I guess it all depends in what context you put it in.
Creepy music for a creepy dude.
platinumcar 2 years ago
Mormons are not Christan because in their founder Joesph Smith he believe that he saw god in a body with flesh and bones, in the bible it said no man cannot see me when you die. They believe that the devil was the brother if Jesus under Joesph and the bible said the devil was one of the gods angel. The Mormon Church is all based on following a man they believe. They believe he discoverd another scripture translated by Joesph they are following a man and he should be a false prophet!!
SLIPKNOTFREA 3 years ago
The problem is Teeth, you're source of information is solely from anti-LDS material. If that's what you want to believe there's nothing that will change your mind. Just remember the last person to bring something new to the world was also rejected and killed. History has a way of repeating itself.
martidw 3 years ago
Just a thought, did you know the word "Christian" is actually not even found anywhere in the Holy Bible anywhere. If you can find it anywhere please show me. That said, members of the Church of Jesus Christ base all of their teachings on the Jesus Christ of the Old and New Testament so if that isn't a follower of Christ I do not know what is.
pangeanet 3 years ago
Christian is used in the Bible, Catholic, Mormon, are not.
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
Thank you for that verse, I also found the word "Christian" used in the Book of Mormon in the identical context, that is, as a follower of Christ. No neither are the words Catholic or Mormon in the Bible. Well, personally I do not like to be called 'Mormon' because that is slang and not the name of my church or the head of my church, it is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and the head of it is Jesus Christ and his teachings are those which I try to incorporate into my life.
pangeanet 3 years ago
According to my understanding, Mormons do not worship the God or Christ that we find in our KJB; Jesus is not the spirit brother of Lucifer, God the Father has no physical body he is spirit and no man has seen him at any time, the original lie is that we can become Gods (we cant), Lucifer said he will be like the most high among other sins of pride, Lucifer and 1 third of Heavens Angels were cast out, Mormon is not Christian they follow the demonic divinations of Joseph Smith, etc.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
Dont continue to fool yourself Mormonism would not qualify as Christian by any stretch of the imagination, the fact remains that Mormonism is so vastly contrary to Christianity that one would be as well off to simply believe in a superman comic as apposed to believing in the book of Mormon, the pearl of great price, etc.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
I don't understand still the continual persecution of good people. Why don't you have anything positive to share with others like the gospel of Jesus Christ? I do not believe his teachings include an active agenda to continually put down, mock, and tell other people what they believe. I know what I believe and to compare my beliefs to devil worship is at best insulting and at worst slander and pride. Christ himself said that however you treat even the least of these is how you treat me.
pangeanet 3 years ago
I get persecuted by lds people all the time... told I am going to hell becuz I don't go to their church... or will go to some lower kingdom, I can't have his spirit with me becuz I don't take the sacrament, won't be with my family in heaven becuz we aren't "sealed"... See all those things are ordinances... and they are in no way authorized to make such statements. Why would Jesus die for us if he could be trumped by ordinances in this world? Put your faith in Jesus NOT ordinances...
godale44 3 years ago
If that is actually true, I personally apologize for their ignorance. It is not a common practice and is definitely preached against from the pulpit to ever put down anyone or any group of people for any reason period.
However, I have heard similar comments from several who allege to be "Christians" including here on YouTube that Mormons are all going to "hell" in fact I have heard that repeatedly. Whereas, I almost never see those comments from Mormons on here or real life.
pangeanet 3 years ago
It does not matter. God Still gives women that title according to the Bible.
spapuchi07 3 years ago
No it does matter a lot, you're claim is not Biblical, where does God give women that title of prophetess who can see the future, he never does and you know it.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
i did not know that. out of the 13 years that ive been SDA i had never been tought that. i've just been taught from the bible.
spapuchi07 3 years ago
If making Lucifer some sort of escape goat that God will ultimately unload all sin upon is not a blatant denial of Christ's work on Calvary........ i dont know where you got that from. Christ is the ultimate sacrifice for sin.
spapuchi07 3 years ago
The SDA church is rather unique in the Christian community, her view of Azazel the Scapegoat of Lev. 16 is completely opposite that held by most Christians. The SDA church holds that Azazel represent Satan not Christ.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
and your wrong about women. Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron, was a prophetess. Deborah was a prophetess in the time of The Judges. At the time of the birth of the Christ, Anna was a prophetess who was at the Temple when the Messiah was brought there as an infant.Huldah is the only other woman of the Old Testament era who is specifically referred to as a prophetess.
spapuchi07 3 years ago
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia: (prophetesses)
It should be noted, however, that women like Miriam, Deborah and Huldah were not credited with the seer's insight into the future, but were called "prophetesses" because of the poetical inspiration of their speech.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
And your right, the sabbath could be any day but we choose saturday according to our calendar.
spapuchi07 3 years ago
Okay brother. I'm Just going to agree to disagree with you. We could wrong eachother all day. Our common ground is Jesus. Our common ground is love. I appreciate your attempt but Seventh day adventist dont view Ellen G. White as a deity. We see her as a person just like you and me. We all have spiritual gifts. Her writings are not our source of worship or praise. Jesus is. Seventh day Adventist are biblical. We are Christian dedicating the seventh day to what it was meant for... rest.
spapuchi07 3 years ago
And I strongly disagree with the SDA, your teachings denounce Christ sufficiency on the cross and in doing so you denounce his honesty, calling him a liar, that's something I'm not willing to agree with, denouncing Christ's honesty is not a common ground at all, so don't fool yourself into thinking so. I'll forget about Ellen G. White the false prophetess and you should to.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
Read the book of James? Or many of Jesus' quotes? If you think the law matters not, how do you define sin? "Sin is the transgression of the law"
ubiedubie 3 years ago
Laws had no inherent goodness, whearas commandments do... Law = getting circumized. Commandment = loving your neighbor as yourself. Law = sprinkling the blood of animals etc. Commandment = not committing adultery. Law = flesh/worldy based displays of potential faith. Commandment = actual faith. But Jesus did say it best...
For ALL the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
godale44 3 years ago
my apologies I think it was Paul that said that.
godale44 3 years ago
2 peter 3:14-18
ubiedubie 3 years ago
Yeah, Jesus said it first.
bakersman12 2 years ago
So there are no holy women? Thats rediculous. Mary was some sort of a prophetes. and i'm not comparing Ellen G. White to The Virgin Mary, but God does not leave out women in the holy realm. Your argument is not biblical
spapuchi07 3 years ago
Your twisting of my words is the problem, you know that God has never spoken through any prophetess (woman) all the God inspired Holy Prophets are men. All of the prophetesses were of Satan, defiantly not holy; it's a bit ridiculous and unbiblical that God would use Ellen G. White who's a heretical prophetess especially with all of her false prophecies; your association with EGW's deity does closely resemble that of the Catholics false perspective of Marry and her divinity.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
Seventh day adventist do not rely on Ellen G. white's Books. They rely on only the Bible. I respect you and I dont force you to obey The sabbath. i just enjoy resting the way God meant the sabbath to be. You seem very judgemental. Why dont we find our common ground to stand on (Jesus's love and his word) stop judging other churches. Because you have no idea.
spapuchi07 3 years ago
That's what I thought you would say, "Don't reprove me". Who said anything about the Sabbath anyway, God tells us we can rest on any day so it's your choice you're abiding by Gods word, but bringing man back under the bondage of the rest of the law is another story indeed. Don't forget Satan is not going to pay for mans sins, because Jesus has already paid for them, all of them, unless you think he's a liar, strange God never use's prophetess (woman) he's always used prophets (holy men).
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
To believe Jesus and his every word, this is the only good starting point to build common ground.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
Thank you KempoJoe87, according to scripture your reproof of Mormonism is justified, and at the end of the day Mormonism denies the deity of Christ, denies God, and blasphemes the Holy Spirit.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
seventh day adventist? Seventh day adventist do not deny the deity of christ at all. Christ is the main principle. We just keep the sabbath holy no work. we honor Christ the whole week and on sabbath we rest with in him
spapuchi07 3 years ago
If making Lucifer some sort of escape goat that God will ultimately unload all sin upon is not a blatant denial of Christ's work on Calvary, then what is it? You are denying his sufficiency and his total propitiation for sin, at the end of the day you don't completely believe him, and that my friend is denial when you call God a liar. You honor him with your lips but your heart is far from him. And let's not even talk about your false prophetess Ellen G. White, who's writings are above reproof.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
SDA wan't to bring men back under the bondage of the law.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
Great work but don't forget Joseph Smith is a free mason.
FccB11 3 years ago
and?
elguanteloko 3 years ago
freemasons are part of the illuminati...(devil worshippers) and also part of the zionism movement....evil. Mormonism is occult and a true Christian is a baptist Christian because it is simple worship and follows only what God/Jesus demands. Mormons have a different baptism ceremony which relates to a freemason ritual. Freemasons also created zionism, catholicsm, and jehovas witnesses.. all occult.
FccB11 3 years ago
"true Christian is a baptist Christian"
jajajaja good argument!
elguanteloko 3 years ago
u want to? msg me and ask me a question...
FccB11 3 years ago
all other Christian beliefs are twisted and have other practices that God does not command like Christmas/ and mormon baptism.
FccB11 3 years ago
lets discuss real doctrine like baptism, prophets, the Book of mormon, or something real. aaaaa I have a good one, is the Bible the only sacred scripture, infallible, and absolute? or we can discuss also the spirit world and kingdoms of glory. pick and choose and lets have a real conversation. saying "they are sooo messed up" is not really helpful.
elguanteloko 3 years ago
is the King James Bible the only sacred scripture "YES"
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
infallible, and absolute?
elguanteloko 3 years ago
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elguanteloko 3 years ago
Absolutely.
bibleortraditions 3 years ago
what about the books of the Bible that where not included in it but are directly quoted from it? like the book of enoch and some epistles that we have no documents but are quoted and mentioned in the Bible? could they probably be inspired if they where used and studied by the apostles?
elguanteloko 3 years ago
dear "teeth": I am amazed how you do not explain real doctrine. Not doctrinal:
1.Christ was married or not.
2.God have sex with Mary.
UNDERSTAND PLEASE!! official doctrine is in the Bible, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. journal of discourses & mormon doctrine are not doctrinal, read the introductions they represent THEIR opinions as everyone has their own.
elguanteloko 3 years ago
Is sad, people that were supposed to follow Christ and in real life don't follow His example.
How did you evangelicals are going to convert people if you are lying? You all should be ashamed for using such nasty tricks.
cesarcris 3 years ago
So Carpenter
Anyway sending me a email is easier. Why you don't do it? If you have the "Seer" there's no problem to sending me a proof of it. If you don't do it then I was right and definitely your sources are anti-mormons and you are not telling the truth.
cesarcris 3 years ago
Carpenter
your invitation to your house, was nice from you, but I live in Portugal, right in the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Obviously I can't go to your house.
I wonder if this invitation was because you already know I couldn't accept it.
cesarcris 3 years ago
So, Heretic I never said the quotes were anti-mormons. I said that the sources of your quotes are coming from anti-mormon literature.
You copied the quotes from there and now you are lying that you have the original books.
I don't believe you have "The Seer" which was published in the XIX century and the CHURCH REJECTED WHAT WAS PUBLISHED. And as I said previously you also don't have the "Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson"
cesarcris 3 years ago
My advice to you guys is to do a real research. Anti-mormon literarure are merely copies from older anti-mormon books. Anti-mormons don't research.
Anti-mormonism is merely a business.
cesarcris 3 years ago
Have you reached your celestial glory already that you can see into my library. I not only have The seerer I also have an 1851 Pearl of Great Price published in Liverpool. One of the perks of living in SLC. Sam Weller's Zion Book store and lots of yard sales. Got my 26 Vol. JofD for $25 at a yard sale.
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
So the word "sex" was not used here. It was the mid 1800's the word sex was not said in public, let alone in a church meeting. Come on get real and read the text and what is being said. JofD Vol. 8, p.115 The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." Look at that last line. Jesus was begotten just like we were begotten by our fathers.(sex)
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
If Jesus was not "begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." Please enlighten me as to how Jesus was begotten? And remember, Brigham said it was the same way we were begotten, so be carefull you don't end up sucking on your toes.
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
Just Talmage said:"True, the event was unprecedented; true also it has never been paralleled; but that the VIRGIN BIRTH would be unique was as truly essential to the fulfillment of prophecy as that it should occur at all. That Child to be born of Mary was begotten of Elohim, the Eternal Father, NOT IN VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAW but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof" (Jesus The Christ page 81) Saying the birth is natural is not the same saying there was sex.
cesarcris 3 years ago
If I had nothing else to do I would scan stuff and send to you but you would find another thing to deny the facts of the real discussion. The question is not do I own this book or that book. The text of most of the books are online for all to see at LDS sites.
I think I'm done talking with you. I remember going thru this many times before and one LDS man told me flat out. "I know the LDS church is true and even if Jesus Christ himself came and told me it was false I wouldn't believe it."
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
Excuses, excuses!!! The "Seer" was rejected as a doctrinal publication so there's no LDS site publishing it. Only anti-mormon sites and literature have some quotes of it. That's why I know you don't have the originals. and you were not saying the truth.
cesarcris 3 years ago
That man was as good as saying, "Don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind already." You just ignore or refuse to see the facts. Begotten means begotten or conceived The fact is the church taught that Jesus was conceived just as we are conceived by our father. It can mean anything else but he was begotten the same way we were and how ever you rework it it is still a LIE!!! He was not begotten the same way we were. I could spend days going around with you, & you would still deny the truth
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
I just saw a typoin my statement above: (I ment Can't not Can) It CAN'T mean anything else but he was begotten the same way we were and how ever you rework it it is still a LIE!!! He was not begotten the same way we were. I could spend days going around with you, & you would still deny the truth
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
The quote from Talmage explains that question:"True, the event was unprecedented; true also IT HAS NEVER BEEN PARALLELED; but that the VIRGIN BIRTH would be unique was as truly essential to the fulfillment of prophecy as that it should occur at all. That Child to be born of Mary was begotten of Elohim, the Eternal Father, NOT IN VIOLATION OF NATURAL LAW BUT IN ACCORDANCE WITH A HIGHER MANIFESTATION THEREOF"
cesarcris 3 years ago
I still don't see the conception mechanics in this quote. Saying the Savior was born in a natural way doesn't mean sex. He is talking about the Birth not the conception.
Only a perverted mind can see sex in this quote
cesarcris 3 years ago
If you have the "Seer" then scan it and sent me the cover
cesarcris 3 years ago
I am inviting you to my home to come and see these books. Otherwise you will just say I took it off the internet, so that will only be a waste of my time. If you wish, you are invited to come to my home and see the library I have from when I was LDS. I will also take you to the local ward where they can look up my name to show you that I am still on the books. But somehow, I think you would still deny everything.
carpentersdaughter2 3 years ago
Like already said the anti-mormons invented this doctrine because Sex helps to sell books and movies. Anti-mormons are using sex as a comercial strategy.
AS EVERYBODY CAN SEE ANTI-MORMON INDUSTRY AND PORNO INDUSTRY ARE QUITE SIMILAR
cesarcris 3 years ago
OK just got into this list of comments and wanted comment. How can you say quotes from LDS publications and teachers is anti-mormon writings. Is Ezra Taft benson an anti mormon teacher? "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sence. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy
Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father." (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, page 6
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
I thought Orson Pratt was an apostle in the LDS church. But you must think he is another one of those anti-mormon writers when he said: "The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore,
the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been
associated in the capacity of husband and wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have
been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father:
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
You may not here this at the ward today, but that doesn't mean it wasn't taught by Brigham young and others in the church. If the missionaries came to a person's door and said, Hi, were from the church of Satan's brother. They would get a lot of doors slammed in their faces. Just like any false teaching, you have to heat up the frog slowly or he will jump out of the pan and run away.
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
I was in the LDS church from 1962 till i requested my name be removed in 1975. I lived in SLC, UT and had free access to all the old books and own many of them myself. I'm not an Anti-Mormon person. I'm an Anti-Mormon-Doctrine person. I looked at LDS teachings with an open mind & followed the truth where ever it lead me. I was dismayed by the contridictions in LDS teachings. I have a love for Mormons & want to share the truth I found. Besides, Joseph Smith attacked the Christian church first.
hereticslayertoo 3 years ago
Yes, Orson Pratt was an apostle of the church but he wrote false doctrines which were corrected by BY. Your quote from Pratt was published in the "Seer" in 1853. The Church don't accept the doctrines from the "Seer". Google "Orson Pratt Wiki" and you will see. Next is a quote from the First Presidency about Pratt has written in the Seer
cesarcris 3 years ago
(Part 2) "The Seer [and other writings by Pratt] contain doctrines which we cannot sanction, and which we have felt impressed to disown, so that the Saints who now live, and who may live hereafter, may not be misled by our silence, or be left to misinterpret it. Where these objectionable works, or parts of works, are bound in volumes, or otherwise, they should be cut out and destroyed" (Deseret News, Aug. 12, 1865, 373)
cesarcris 3 years ago
The quote you gave is correct but I don't see the word "sex" in the sentence. I also don't see Benson explaining the mechanics of the Savior conception. he is saying that we believe Jesus is the literal son of God, which is also a biblical doctrine (John 1:14; Eph 4:13; I John 5:5 and many others)
cesarcris 3 years ago
(part 2) I don't believe you have the book "Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson". If you really have that book you would see that next to sentence you quoted is another interesting comment from Benson:
"He was the Only Begotten Son of our Heavenly Father in the flesh-the only child whose mortal body was begotten by our Heavenly Father. His mortal mother, Mary, was called a virgin, BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER she gave birth. (See 1 Nephi 11:20)"- Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, page 6
cesarcris 3 years ago
When people like myself say we have the books, you immediately say we don't. How do you get this information, from a demon? Because I know what books I have, and yet you want to tell me and others we don't own these books..
carpentersdaughter2 3 years ago
You too prove to me me you have the seer sent me the cover to cesarcris @ clix. pt (without spaces
cesarcris 3 years ago
Well teeth I can see you are doing the mistakes that Z has done and you also did some of your own, here's the list of your video errors:
1) LDS people are Christians, for me a Christian doesn't criticize religions like you do
2)Is a BIG LIE that LDS people believe God had sex with Mary
3)We are not poligamists, we were in the past (130 years ago) but also greats prophets did the same in the past
4) All religions are cults including YOURs
5) LDS people don't deny christ
cesarcris 3 years ago
I did make one mistake the LDS has the New Testament and the Old, however, that just makes the LDS lie worse.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
That's a new one!!! So you are saying that all the bible students are all liars!!! Looooooool. Including the evangelicals lol
Did your minister knows you are saying this?
You did many mistakes and you must repent for being a bigot.
cesarcris 3 years ago
You see this is the problem the LDS does not count the Holy Bible as being the only sully authoritative Word of God and true Christians base all things as they compare to God's Word, the LDS has added to and ignored the true Word of God, the fundamental error of the LDS cult is denial and mockery of the Holy Spirit -- thus strong dilution has come upon the LDS.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
Well tell me where in the Bible gives the definition of a true Christian. Evangelicals invented their own definition of the term Christian. "Christian" was a term used by the gentiles to the Christ followers. The gentiles use to say Cesarians to Cesar followers or herodians to Herodes followers.
So you are showing your ignorance when you are repeating your anti-mormon talk without logical basis. Do a real research!!! Read a good dictionary and see the true meaning of the words.
cesarcris 3 years ago
hello teeth? bro, could you show me why you think the Bible is the ONLY sacred scripture? from what passages in the Bible do you get that from?
elguanteloko 3 years ago
Because I believe God and all of his words, and his words are only contained in the scripture the Bible, and again I believe God, do you?
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
teethofthelamb 3 years ago
Being an ex-Mormon myself, I can tell you that yes, the church does teach that God the Father had sex with Mary. The problems with most Mormons is that they don't know their own churches teachings. LDS people don't believe in the same Jesus as evangelical Christians. President Hinkley even said that we don't believe in the same Jesus. LDS church is not christian by Christian standard and beliefs. LDS are spiritual poligamist, meaning they get married to women for time and eternity..con't below.
carpentersdaughter2 3 years ago