While i don't think Cotto should retire,i don't think a rematch will go any differently to the first time they fought with Manny schooling Cotto again. Lets be honest the first fight wasn't even close was it?
@merryhobgoblin Manny did not "School" Cotto. He was too fast for Cotto. He wasn't more skilled. Cotto is highly skilled, but like Shane Mosley, he was unable to cope with Manny's foot and hand speed.
@MADMAC572 So he is faster,knocks him down and out punches him...that's Schooled to me. He had all the advantages of size and strength and yet was knocked down with ease. In the final rounds he couldn't even throw a decent punch he was so battered. You can have all the speed you like,but you also have to have the skills to land effective strikes,which he did. You name me one department Cotto was superior in(except taking punches)? Again that total Schooling..NUFF SAID
@merryhobgoblin It's not "schooling". You're just using the term because you think it sounds cool. Schooling implies skills which can be imparted, which speed can not. Take away Manny's speed and Cotto beats him every day of the week. If they had equivelent hand and foot speed, Manny loses. Cotto is a superior defensive fighter to Manny for sure (Manny fights open, because his speed allows him to). There was no "schooling" done here. Nuff Said.
@MADMAC572 I have boxed my entire life,schooling has nothing to do with "imparted Skills" it about how the fight plays out in the ring.A total one sided beat down like that in every department is classed as taking your opponent to School..Yes speed can be taught and if you anything about boxing you would know that.Take away his speed?...lol You might as well say make Cotto a smaller man and Manny wins every time.What a lot of crap you talk.Different fighters bring different skills.
@merryhobgoblin I boxed for ten years. Once you have achieved your level of proficiency, speed can not be taught. Freddy Roach can not start training Cotto tokmorrow and make him faster. Speed is not a skill. Power is not a skill. Footwork such as cutting off the ring is a skill. Parrying a punch is a skill. Blocking one is a skill. Learning to throw a punch with a clean line is a skill. Saying he was "schooled" implies that Manny could teach him something... which he can't.
@MADMAC572 Cotto does not have the ability to fight with speed as his particular style of fighting precludes that,speed is is indeed a skill which is taught.Look in any Good Gym and you will see guys doing speed training everyday and if they don't then they are in the wrong gym. I spared with Tommy Hearns for his fight with Hagler and he were training speed everytime he were in the ring. Your implication that fighters can't get better is total rubbish.Just ask Manny Steward about speed training.
@MADMAC572 Cotto did indeed learn something that night. He learned he was in the ring with the better more gifted fighter and although he had the advantages of size and strength he was still out matched,and again your have failed to answer my question..so I'll ask you again. Tell me in which department of the that fight was Cotto superior? The answer was is simple..NONE,it was a one sided beatdown like Cotto had never suffered before. He was dominated from first to last round and smashed.
@MADMAC572 You say Cotto is a good defensive fighter,so did you see his face after the fight? Yep great defence there..You say Pacman is not as good as Cotto as defensive fighter,and you would know this how? He has never been on the back foot long enough for you to judge what he capabilities are as a defensive fighter. You sound like a butt hurt fan boy who is upset that his fighter got beaten. He was schooled plain and simple. Out punched out though and out sped a total shut out by a better man
@merryhobgoblin Cotto is a better defensive fighter than Pacman, but without a doubt Pacman is a much better offensive fighter than Cotto. Whenever Cotto tried to open up he got countered with rapid, hard combinations. I like Cotto and Pacquio. I respect them both as fighters. Both are world class and seem decent individuals. But Manny does get hit a lot. Marquez hit him all night long, and Marquez isn't all that fast. "My fighter" didn't get beaten. I am a fan of the game.
@merryhobgoblin Manny fights very open. He parry's some punches, and he comes in with some head movement, but he's not defensively oriented and when he gets tagged like he did against Marquez and Moralles, he either fires back (not a bad strategy - but not a defensive one) or he brings both gloves high like Clottey. Parrying and / or slipping and countering are not his style. He's an offensive minded figher. That's why he's so much fun to watch.
@MADMAC572 But again he has never been on the back foot long enough to know just how good he is in defence. I'm not saying Cotto is a bad fighter of course he isn't he just is not in Pacman league. All great fighters have that something special,Haggler had,not speed not one punch KO power,but accuracy and hard punching to grind an opponent down. Tyson had power and speed Ray Robinson had it all and in either hand,just different fighters bring different skills and abilities.
@merryhobgoblin Well he hasn't in a while. In the first Moralles fight he was. He's a better fighter now of course. But I think he remains a very offensive minded guy. In watching drills on video (admitedly limited) I've never seen him doing anything that resembles a defensive oriented drill. It's always attack, attack, attack. I just object to the use of the phrase "schooled" vis-a-vis Cotto in implying Cotto was being exposed. Pacman is just more talented.
@merryhobgoblin Also Marquez hit him an awful lot in all of their fights. When Pacmnan is able to keep an opponent off balance in his attack (which is most of the time) that is his defense. Opponents are afraid to open up. But when not, he gets hit a lot. I think it's because he prefers to fight wide open most of the time. How do you see Pacquio - Mayweather playing out?
@MADMAC572 Ah now there is a different fighter altogether,Mayweather is a "true" defensive genius,so it will come down to a couple of things,can the pacman tee off on Mayweather and can Floyd impose his will. Floyd is every bit as fast as Pacman (when he wants to be) and is a much better technical fighter,but Pacman hits harder and is fast and illusive. I'm going to have to go with Mayweather on this one if it ever happens and i still have my doubts about that if I'm honest...lol
@merryhobgoblin I think it comes down to two things: Can Floyd's defense neutralize Manny's offense, and can Floyd control the pace with his jab? If the answer to those two questions is yes, then I think Floyd wins easily. If the answer to one of them is no, it's a toss up. If the answer to both is no, Floyd's in for a long night.
@MADMAC572 Yes Marquez was able to hit him,but Cotto couldn't..could he? Marquez isn't a fast fighter by any means. He is a counter puncher,very accurate and skilled fighter who waits until you commit to attack and then counters you attack. He out thought pacman that night. But in saying that all the three fights were close affairs so it could just be that there skills countered and canceled each other out. There is always a bad match for a fighter to look good against and Marquez is that man.
@merryhobgoblin Cotto hit him when Manny chose to stand and trade. That also happens to be when Manny hurt Cotto, because he was planting when throwing. But Manny got cracked early. Once Manny started moving in and out, he couldn't hurt Cotto with individual blows, but he certainly was busting him up round after round and Cotto was unable to counter. I agree that Marquez is just a bad matchup for Manny. He can read Manny's intentions really well.
@merryhobgoblin The funny thing is I think Cotto eats Marquez alive. If they met at a weight Cotto could make (probably 147) I don't think Marquez wins a round. Styles make fights, no question about it.
@MADMAC572 It's very difficult to tell with Marquez,i mean Mayweather made him look bad when they fought,but then Mayweather can do that when guys try to hit him and miss all the time,and Mayweather is standing in front of you and you still can't hit the guy so i don't know. Marquez likes to catch you coming in and counter you,but then Cotto likes that to. I though Cotto looked much better in his last fight,but then again he fought a man that was easy to hit.
@merryhobgoblin I think the big difference between Cotto and Marquez will simply be size. Manny hyperextends when trying to reach a guy moving away. Marquez was constantly moving just out of range, Manny was throwing long punches and getting countered. Cotto won't do that. He'll walk Marquez down, throwing hard combinations when Marquez is in range. He's much stronger than Marquez. I see Marquez getting killed if thart fight happened (it won't).
@MADMAC572 Like i said it's difficult to tell,what looks like a miss match in different departments,eg..size and punch power etc don't always translate in to a winning combination in the fight. When you look at there loses you see that Cotto has always lost by TKO and Marquez by decision and that in a weight range of 126-146,so it's not easy to call that one. Cotto will hit harder with a single punch,but Marquez will hit with combinations. Both great fighters and i would love to see it happen.
@merryhobgoblin I agree in principal, just not in thise case. Cotto can match Marquez' speed, he's really two full weight classes bigger, and he's not hyper-aggressive; he doesn't leave himself so easily open to counters. He has more of a stalking style, vice an all out attack. Difficult to counter that if you're not faster than the guy you are fighting. So I think Cotto is just too big for Marquez. Fight won't happen anyway.
@MADMAC572 Like you i doubt if the fight will happen,but if you look at there stats they are both identical both 5ft 7 and 67 inch reach,so like i said it's a toss up for me. Marquez is a very hard guy to beat. Or Marquez is 7 years older than Cotto,but as he proved with his fights with Pacman he can hang with the best and only ever lost by decision,where as Cotto has been taken down the TKO route. Cotto gets discouraged when he doesn't dominate and that would be a big problem against Marquez.
@merryhobgoblin Lastly, I am not a big fan of any one fighter. What Manny has done is remarkable. Nobody, not even the great Henry Armstrong, has captured a title as low as 112 and as high as 147 (his 154 effort didn't count for me, because the weight limit wasn't 154 for the fight). That's impressive. But I am much more a fan of the sport itself. I like to watch boxing regardless of who's fighting. Manny did not school Cotto. he does not have a better understanding of how to box
@merryhobgoblin Like I said, you want to see a fighter who got schooled, watch the Rubio - Lemieux fight. Lemieux got schooled. This was a case where the more talented fighter lost because the guy who won had a superior skill set. Lemieux will either break psychologically from this loss (he was blowing all previous opposition out of the ring) or he will learn something from it - like pacing himself, and establishing ranges that are optimal for his stature, and slipping, etc. etc
@merryhobgoblin And no, Cotto can't get faster. Yes, you can do drills to improve speed. But that has nothing to do with style. Style does not create speed. That's nonsense. Speed drills and principals are taught early on. Most fighters optimize their speed. Freddy Roach can't teach Cotto to be faster. What did Cotto learn from the Manny fight other than Manny is fast? How did that fight make Cotto better? The word "schooled" implies teaching. You just like how it sounds.
@MADMAC572 your particular style dictates your speed,look at Roy Jones,loose fluid hand s down. If he was to stand like Carl Froch he would not be a fluid fighter would he? Cotto was Schooled in that fight. He lost every round and was knocked down and stopped. We are not talking flash knock downs that can happen,but well timed and executed punches. He beat him in every aspect of the fight, How do you know that he doesn't have a better understanding of boxing than Cotto? More rubbish
@MADMAC572 You do speed training all the time,you are put in the ring with light weights that run rings round you and the object is to try and hit them (not hurt them) Now hand speed is a different matter,if you boxed then you should know how you train that! Pacman is a superior fighter plain and simple. He has abilities that Cotto will never have,some of those abilities are god given but you have to be trained to use them and not every guy that enters a ring does.
@merryhobgoblin But that's my point. What Pacqio does Cotto could never have done. Cotto got the most out of his natural talent. Pacman is a faster fighter, but he's not "superior" in the sense that he has learned something Cotto should have learned and didn't or hasn't. And that is what "schooled" implies. Lots of people now use the term whenever anyone wins a fight. Did Cotto "school" Margarito? No. He was just too fast for him. Did Mayweather "school" Mosley? No. Just too fast
@MADMAC572 You are taking the word School out of context and you know it. It means "to teach someone a lesson" not to show them how to do what you do as that would be stupid don't you think? as well you know and that's what he got that night a boxing lesson from a better boxer plain and simple and yet again you failed to answer my question..wonder why? If you can't admit Pacman is a better fighter then i suggest you watch the video your commenting on,that should help you.
@merryhobgoblin And no - Pacquio didn't "teach Cotto a lesson." Cotto didn't go into the fight thinking Pacquio is a chump. What lesson did Pacquio teach Cotto?
@merryhobgoblin And Pacman being a better fighter doesn't mean he "schooled" anyone. His ability come from natural talent. He isn't a harder worker or smarter or whatever than Cotto.
@MADMAC572 Another Definition of Schooling would be showing an opponent something he had never seen before or in your vernacular and "imparted skill" Cotto isn't in the same league as Pacman in terms of speed and footwork and as for your comment about handicapping a fighter by taking away his speed and the other guy wins is pathetic. You still didn't answer my question about which departments Cotto was superior in when they fought? It was a one sided mauling and Cotto was stopped NUFF SAID
@merryhobgoblin "Schooling" would be a case where a fighter with the lessar ability beats the fighter with greater ability through his skill set. So, for example, Rubio "Schooled" Lemieux. And I did tell you which element Cotto was superior (is superior) - defense. My example isn't "pathetic". It imparts the point that all things being equal (speed, strength and so forth) the fighter with the superior skill set would win. Pacquio does't have superior skills to Cotto, he's faster
stfu u stupid ass bitch cotto should go down there and beat the fuk out of u dirty hobo >:o and cotto has gotten better with his new trainer and faster i hope theres a rematch between cotto and pacqiao
@rdcvgr88 Pacquiao is very humble, but Freddie Roach is just a cocky son of a bitch. I hope Pretty Boy Floyd signifies once and for all who the best fighter of our generation is by woopin Pacquaio and Roach.
Cotto shouldnt retire, there are lots of fights i would like to see Cotto in if he beats Margarito, against Sergio Martinez, Canelo, Angulo, Paul WIlliams, or Erislandy Lara.
Cotto shouldnt retire, there are lots of fights i would like to see Cotto in if he beats Margarito, against Sergio Martinez, Canelo, Angulo, Paul WIlliams, or Erislandy Lara.
It is very sad seeing how Freddie Roach condition worsen by the day sounding more like a person with the punch drunk disiase, it is horrible seeing loosing his range of motion.
"Getting killed"? "Should retire"? What the fuck is this wack talking about? Manny's semen has gotten to his brains or what? Cotto is the SuperWelter Weight Champion of the World, he's one hell of a boxer and he is ready to defend his title against anybody at 154 or even go up to 160 and challenge any of them big dogs there
@RatedRKingofKings Cotto is too small to fight at 160. He's not even a very big puncher at 154. He should stay where he is. Martinez would eat his lunch.
@MADMAC572 Cotto is a good puncher at 154, he just faced two big, tough challengers in his first two title defenses. Mayorga and Margo may not be good boxers, they are obviously past their primes and very diminished, but they are both tough and have good chins. Cotto would give Martinez a good run for his money at 160 but I agree with you, he would hardly beat him. Martinez TKO in the late rounds.
Cotto fans do not get mad at Freddy. He said that absolute truth about Cotto. Freddy says it because he does not want Cotto messed up later on in life like he is. This is coming from a Freddy & Manny hater.
floyd is a woman beater while 50 cents is a convicted criminal, a drug user and a drug pusher, having a cocaine damaged brain! A victim of his own ignorance! 50 centavos (gay mate of floydie) hear this: Manny had agreed to floyd's demands of random blood testing, but floyd was silent, he's nowhere to be found, he took a vacation for a year from boxing because he was terrified to fight Manny! nigger 50 cents what will happen to boxing if Manny can't fight fighters who have losses? Illiterate!
Listen to all this retards loser, Roach is not even allowed to voice out his opinion coz this pea brains poeple here a sore loser LOl. Everybody is entitled to their opinion so calm down pyscho's.
@ChicChikBoom why, its not hard to figure out ...if you say roach is just giving his opinion, everybody is entitled...then why are you complaining when everyone else is giving their"s....???
pls, think a bit first , before you start to call other ppl pea brains
@jaikaransingh : You think before you open your gab, first of all I'm not complaining I'm just voicing my opinion like everybody else. Your are the one who's whining like a biatch. I can say whatever I want coz this is a free country and I don't even mind even if your whining like a lunatic.
@jaikaransingh : Idiot! You shut your gab, coz you sound like retarded. You said, I'm complaining which I'm not moron. Theres a difference between complaining and voicing their opionion. Why don't you educate yourself moron, and shut the fuck!
tell cotto to retire!? cotto will fight anyone. roach you bitch your protecting your lil pussy fighter. you dont want him to fight marquez cause the lil congressman might lose boo the fucking hoo
Cotto can't catch a break.He completely dominated Foreman from the opening bell yet people are writing off the victory because Foreman blew out his knee. Any sane person watching this fight saw the walls closing in on Foreman long before the knee injury. A KO surely seemed imminent. Of course...some are even suggesting Yuri had knee problems coming into the fight. Funny how these people never brought up Yuri's knees when they predicted he would box rings around Cotto...oh yeah...Roach is a dick.
Oh Freddy go take a shit, why don't you. This is boxing 101. Freddy's fighter is fighting Cotto soon. So he throws a few verbal jabs. Whatever dude, might as well tell me you are doing witchcraft on me. If Cotto was in his corner, he would be singing a different tune. It is all boxing. At the end of the day; it's gonna be Cotto and Chavez Jr. in the center of the ring. End of story.
tell cotto to retire careful roach.the cotto they beat was a disaster without training an still last 12 round.with a trainer like emanuel cotto can be very dengerous now.
@riverazzz1 are you serious, that's what they said to hatton when mayweather sr was training him, look what happened. and they would've stopped the fight earlier but the ref was just giving cotto a chance to prove himself. i like cotto's style but you can't teach old dog new tricks. no disrespect to stewart but i think pacman will still beat cotto if they fight again.
freddie needs to fuckin retire with his parkinsons (spelling?) disease havin ass. he cant keep up to train em,so he just injects em!!!!!!!!!!!! cotto will smash chavez jr as long as hes not on that hulk shit!!!!
Respond to this video... retire cotto really? manny lost to nobodies, cotto lost to plaster and PED.if you ask me manny should had been retired.i guess freddie is mad cause cotto dont use PED like manny.cotto is ready to fight anybody unlike manny who did not want to fight foreman because he is tall cotto dont care how tall you are or how much you weight he is there to fight anybody like a warrior.manny would be a bad spartan he would not fight xerxez because he is tall lol
@Rocky374 and i'm guessing you have the proof the manny is using PED. and you said he wont fight nobody taller than him, i guess delahoya is about the same height then, and now margarito, hmmmmmm. stop smoking bro, it's affecting your thinking....
@KUPZ29 damn it i am talking to a guy who knows shit about boxing.who knows nothing at all.Stick to your gay mma and ufc and dont u put a pic of your kid in the account cause that makes people hate your kid.LMAO
i guess.... but as a fan, i'd rather see him fight a paul williams if he really wants a light middleweight belt.
i'm not really interested in a cotto rematch (and i'm a big cotto fan too) or in a margarito fight, for that matter... i think he'd utterly destroy margaraito, so ehhhh..
i think williams is the best fight in LMW... at least from a fan's perspective.
@lrnoif ..Freddie Roach has admitted several times that Manny is not comfortable over 145. That is his limit. He has admitted that anything over that weight slows Manny down and he can see a big differene..PEACE !!!
i dont care who pacs fight next he is going to lose if he fights mayweather i think he will lose and either marg or cotto at 154 idk i think that is way to high for pacman and of course the excuses will be his head was not in it cause of congress my opinion and by the way not a pacman hater i watch him from when he was young i like him as a fighter but i dont think he can beat mayweather which i dont really like but i have to be honest and 154 is way to big
@whole27 here's why..bc boxing drug testing is a joke and easy to pass. any tests given up to 4 days can be beat. creams, gels, orals and waterbase test is out of your sytem from 4 to 10 days. Oils will stay much longer so if u want a legit test which Mayweather wants, it should really b 2 to 3 days b4 the fight. I don't blame Mayweather bc this is the biggest fight in the world so lets b on the same playing field. Manny should take the test 48 hrs b4 and then c what Floyd does..PEACE !!@
@sms8668 what are you talking about...pacman already agreed to floyds demands which was random, olympic testing...even 24 hours before the fight! So don't make more excuses for why Floyd still hasn't signed!
Floyd is scared, period! Floyd never asked any of his first 40 fighters to take random testing and then all of a sudden he wants it cause he knows it messes with pacmans head like it did in the morales fight! Just as Floyd made marquez come up 3 weight classes...he always wants an edge
@whole27 . U make about as much sense as "Terri Schiavo".. Floyd wants an edge ?? Every fight he fought he was against the odds. Pacquio lost to Morales bc of a blood test? The same Morales took. THAT IS A FUCKIN EXCUSE. He lost 3 times and has 2 draws bc he was not that great. Now he was knocking out welterweights. Floyd thinks he is or was on SOMETHING so he wants to be on the same playing field. I will tell you why he wants the test now. BC IT IS THE GRANDE FINALE. I'LL GET BACK 2 U
@sms8668 lol.just cause pacquiao got a few losses doesn't mean he is automatically a worse fighter than a guy with no losses dumbass. A lot of guys in boxing have no losses because they all pick and choose who they fight to avoid tought fights like Floyd obviously has done later in his career to keep his undefeated record
There are no more excuses for Floyd. It's out now to even his fans..Mayweather is scared of Pacman's power! Pacman destroyed guys faster than FLoyd and he faced tougher guys
@whole27 ..First Off You R bragging on your profile that you R an ATHIEST and you know about what exist at what doesn't. YOUR THE ONLY FUCKN FREAK ON HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT BEING AN ATHIEST IN YOUR PROFILE. AND THEN YOU R A PACQUIO FAN WHO IS THE MOST RELIGIOUS PERSON IN THE SPORT. TELL YOUR PARENTS TO PULL THE PLUG ON YOUR BRAIN DEAD ASS !!
@sms8668 HAHA, YOU ARE A DUMBASS! JUST BECAUSE I'M SMART ENOUGH AND EDUCATED TO KNOW RELIGION IS FICITION AND ABSURD DOESN'T MEAN I CAN ONLY LIKE PEOPLE OF THE SAME BELIEF ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE REASON I LIKE THEM IS FOR ANOTHER REASON DUMBASS...LOL
I DON'T LIKE PACMAN BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION BUT BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST BOXER. JUST AS YOU DISAGREE WITH PEOPLE YOU LIKE ON SOME ISSUES...NO ONE IS GOING TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING YOU STUPID IDIOT...LOL....GET SOME COMMON SENSE
@sms8668 WOW, you are an old man....before i saw your profile i would of thought you were an immmature little kid but you're a grown man who is immature and ignorant.....i bet you believe in a book with absolutely no evidence, the bible...lol....you seem pretty gullible and nieve! Talk to your imaginary friend jesus for me....and a muslim can talk to Allah and a hindu can talk to Krishna...and i will talk to Zeus....hahahahaha
@whole27 yeah but i think mayweather will outsmart him at the end like he does all his fights oh and if you seen the bandage around pacs ear after cotto fight came from a ruptured ear drum how in the world do you explain him not feeling that possible something called hgh
@whole27 This is a very difficult fight to call. For me it comes down to two things; can Floyd's defense prevent him from catching big punches and can his jab control the pace of the fight. If yes, Floyd wins. If no, floyd loses.
@lrnoif yeah smart ass? hows floyd gonna win from manny? by decesion? do you think? if floyd wants to win he should ko manny wich i dont think is gonna happen..pacqiao doesnt give up believe me manny is going to fuck that coward up good.. thats the reason why floyd doenst wanna fight either
@lrnoif its funny caus pac is really sick of hearing that he is to small for welter... thats why he came away form the game plan in the early rounds of cotto fight...
you can tell his disease is catching up to him he sounds retarted but i guess trainig fighters on drugs makes you feel confident. james toney stripped of his heavy weight title after beating ruiz on drugs , julio cezar chavez jr suspended 5 months for steriods and lord knows what alex ariza is hitting manny pacquiao with but freddy roach is a trainer who thinks hes great and is just a cheating bum you never had half the heart in the ring miguel cotto has shown us.
@lilneca cotto sucks...u are obviously a mexican/rican nuthugger and still support cotto cause of that when he is so slow! Pacman destroyed him and put him in the hospital where he belongs!
as cotto said, i just fought the best fighter of my life! pacman made cotto look like a bitch!
Margartio(cheater) doesn't deserve to fight again and Definitely!!! not against Manny Pacquiao. Margarito if he ever gets his license back should start from the bottom of the division.
Manny did not fight Floyd bc he was running for Congressman. Floyd would have steered those votes in a different direction after defeating him. Love Manny, but Floyd is a specimen in that ring. Manny would try to hard to beat Floyd which would end up Manny punching himself out. Floyd's defense is too slick, making Manny miss hundreds of shots and Floyd countering all night. ..PEACE !!
@sms8668 no way, u obviously don't know fighting..DLH almost beat Floyd and would have if he just kept his jab up...WTF do you think Pacman is going to do...destroy Floyd!
@whole27 ..First off, ur talking to the wrong person with ur lame ass comments about Boxing Second, don't even bring up the DLH fight bc they were 2 completely different fights which Floyd had to go up in weight and everthing from the gloves to the judges to weight, Oscar had to pick. Pac fight was everthing to his advantage and Oscar could barely get off the stool. Another prick sucking on the PAC'S COCK !!
@sms8668 hahaha, excuses excuses for the DLH fight. Okay, lets hear your excuses for Mayweather for not finishing Hatton nearly as fast and by a cold KO like Pacman did within minutes of the fight! 2nd round!
The gloves? lol...come on, Pacman proves again and again he is a BEAST! That is why Mayweather is running!
Mayweather got no more excuses, first Pacman was on drugs after whooping Cotto and hospitalizing him, now Pacman has agreed to Floyd's custom rules...where is Mayweather???????
I think Cotto will whip on Manny thiz time around @ 154 becuz Emanuals not stupid he wont play the catch weight game with Freddy lol he would tell Freddie get ready becuz I have thiz boy now! now its on! REMATCH!
i think cotto can beat manny in the rematch he could have won the first one if he had any kind of advice in his corner all his trainer said durin the fight was good job. watch the fight you'll see wut im sayin...
Yuri Foreman had some balls in that Cotto fight no doubt!!!! Mayweather can't be the greatest of all time only fight 40+ fights in his career. Fukin old man Chavez had over 80 wins around the same age that Mayweather is now!!!!
Freddy Cocaroach is a hater........he said that Cotto was getting hit with everything that Yuri Foreman had lol...what fight was he watching?????( he must have lost his glasses that day) you should retire Freddy!.....as a matter of fact the only fighter freddy has thats any good is Pacquiao so freddy you should shut the f up!!! Cotto is back!!!
@bxrican05 - Bullshit, Khan is a great fighter. He's also trained MMA fighters like Anderson Silva and Arlovski. He's trained over 15 world champions.
i think freddie is getting abit too cheeky again pacquaio aint not god is he, just because he beat cotto dont mean cotto should retire wtf r you mad freddie, cotto just won the wba title up a weight fuk sake cotto only lost to a cheater magritto and pacquaio that means he should retire, cotto works hard trains hard and is at 12 round fighter its not like he got k.od in 1 round or 2 fuk sake freddie grow up
@amirkhansfan1 lol i think he was trying to say that cotto still got hit by yuri despite the fact that yuri was crippled. his habits are the same and he hasnt improved his defense
@swiffstep freddie said same shit when pacquaio beat him cotto should retire now hes sayign it again, r you dumb open your eyes cotto a great fighter he only got 2 loses he a good 12 round fighter he fights all threw no matter what, he aint no bum he trains hard man
@amirkhansfan1 dude how would u know, u aint no trainer of the year hall of famer. all u got is opinion, no facts. freddie figured cotto out like a book, and hes not a dependable prize fighter by the looks of it. cotto maybe should retire while hes ahead
@swiffstep o0h shurrup you clown hall of bame trainer who gives a shit, cotto record he only lost twice you dik now all of a sudden hes shit well he way better then hatton the fatton, cotto wins agaisnt all others but just becuz pacquaio beat him he should reitre god sakes, freddie saying cotto gets hit, didnt the same cotto damage pacquaios ear? didnt pacquai get hit often by the african dude hes name gone out of my head he won in dallas cow stadium that guy was hitting paquaio very often
@swiffstep does that mean pacqauio should reitre just becuz clottley was coughten him you rely of hall of fames shit i rely of the proper stuff, iwatch all these fights i know get your cock out of freddies ars cuz he dosnt alwayz talk straight
@amirkhansfan1 i agree.... ppl keep saying cotto should retire after two losses.. are you kidding me. 2 LOSSES... how many greats have more than two fights. its ridiculous when ppl say that. especially someone like freddy. he is getting too big headed wit pac. idk .
@amirkhansfan1 I don't Freddie Roach at all, he used to be humble, but now this Pacquiao era got him to cocky, BTW if Cotto faces Pacman once again Cotto will win!
if you watch judah vs mayweather judah clowned him til he got tired in the 5th round the left straight all day cause judah is a southpaw too but nowhere near as good as pac man. i dont see pac man getting tired. against clottey he threw 100 punches a round even clottey was still waiting on him to tire after the fight was over LOL i think even mayweather knows he will lose which is why he'll never fight pac man
@hitmancoolio okay, well, i hope they manny and floyd do fight as u will see floyd getting knocked out for the very first time...knocked out like hatton....don't believe me - i'll bet u $1 billion dollars....take that...
im not saying pacquiao wouldnt beat cotto again, but remember pacquiao fought cotto at a catchweight of 146, instead of the welterweight limit of 147. so i doubt pacquiao will go up in weight to fight for cottos new belt at light middleweight
@Rfc1Darryl the catchweight was 145 pal & you're right pac won't move up to fight cotto at the bigger weight bcos roach likes pac to have a big advantage going into fights, they might try to get cotto at another catchweight of 150 or something so as pac can win another fake title..
@28rampage - your right, well theres actually no one else to fight, even clottey was considered as a contender and he got destroyed, Mosley was a contender in my books and he got beat one sidedly by mayweather, so it has to fucking happen, no more waiting, no more years, lets fucking have it this year pacquiao vs mayweather
Pacman is a fraud !! a creation of Roach putting him in front of has beens and stiffs. Manny has never been in the ring with someone as fast and talented a counterpuncher and defensive technician as Mayweather. Being that fast with a 5" reach advantage, coupled with the fact that he gets hit very little, I see no way possible Manny Pacquiao can win. In fact I foresee Manny taking a very very serious beating. This fight will change his life!
@primeraprim .agree. pac has never face a boxer as talented as floyd coz floyd's too afraid of him. Floyd has every advantage reach, height, weight, speed, skills, stamina, etc and yet he still don't want to face pac. Coz there's just no defense against the pacman as clottey who has one hell of a defense learn the hard way. it will be the same boring outcome.
@hitmancoolio floyd has a awesome resume >> Genaro , Carlos Hernandez ,chavez,,Castillo,,Phillip N'dou,,Gatti,,Judah,,Mitchell, ,Baldomir,,De La Hoya,,,Hatton,Marquez,,DeMarcus Corley ,Corrlaes ,,MOSLEY !! who has pac fought 5 past prime weight drained or floyds left overs fighters!! or getting beat by jmm twice or moralas !! NOT GOOD LEGACY SO FAR !
haters will never GIVE CREDIT and RESPECT WHERE CREDIT and RESPECT IS DUE and Floyds CREDIT AND RESPECT IS LONG OVERDUE !!!!
@primeraprim true roach has picked pacs recent fights very carefully & is on record as saying mosely has contacted him on several occasions willing to fight pac at 147 & roach has said if you can make 142 we will fight you & mosely said but you fought oscar at 147 & roach said but you're not oscar you're better, now surely if pac is so great he would beat mosely at 147? to me thats being a coward.. floyd fought & destroyed mosely at 147 but roach was afraid to let pac fight him lol
@28rampage yes mate !! Don't know what makes Mayweather a coward, he calls out Pacquiao. Out boxes Mosely who Roach, Manny's trainer says was too dangerous a fight for Manny to take , Pacman also pussied out of fighting Mosley TWICE.who turned up to his gym TWICE to arrange a fight..
pacrat also ducked soto, casamayor, raheem, guzman,Martinez, Williams, Argueo and Spinks....Bradley at 140,he beat a broken Miguel Cotto and then went for punch bag clotty ,He is not a real champion at 140 or 147
@primeraprim yes true, i do think he fought decent fighters like barrera, morales & marquez but i feel marquez beat him twice & morales was shot by the time the rematch came.. i don't think this fight will happen now anyway it's taking too long to be announced,,
@28rampage may be it might happen in november as a lot are saying it will or early next year !! but i would love to see a pbf vs martinez blockbuster before pac wouldnt be bad !!. but pac vs pbf will happen as arum and floyd will never walk away from $150+ million fight and then the rematch !! but i hope cotto does retire as he said he would but money does funny things to ur mind !! i hope cotto dont turn into a meldrick taylor !!
honest guy. sounds just like shaggy from scooby doo. Cotto should fight Margarito again befor he retires. I believe the fight between Manny and Floyd will happen in November. Floyd is going to style on Manny.
and "jonelperurican".....he's got parkinsons you tit, dont be disrespectful, lets see if you get it later in life and we'll all have a laugh at you
aogrady21 3 weeks ago
MsJanne....did u see the manny vs cotto fight?? not quite.... pac man beat him up its on youtube for you
aogrady21 3 weeks ago
YEAAHH YEAAHH YEAHH!!!, AND YOUR PARKINSON BRAIN SHOULD RETIRE ALSO
HIGADODEGANZO 2 months ago
fuck freedy rouch you pice of shit sterroid for pacman!
fantastico137 2 months ago
While i don't think Cotto should retire,i don't think a rematch will go any differently to the first time they fought with Manny schooling Cotto again. Lets be honest the first fight wasn't even close was it?
merryhobgoblin 2 months ago
@merryhobgoblin Manny did not "School" Cotto. He was too fast for Cotto. He wasn't more skilled. Cotto is highly skilled, but like Shane Mosley, he was unable to cope with Manny's foot and hand speed.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 So he is faster,knocks him down and out punches him...that's Schooled to me. He had all the advantages of size and strength and yet was knocked down with ease. In the final rounds he couldn't even throw a decent punch he was so battered. You can have all the speed you like,but you also have to have the skills to land effective strikes,which he did. You name me one department Cotto was superior in(except taking punches)? Again that total Schooling..NUFF SAID
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin It's not "schooling". You're just using the term because you think it sounds cool. Schooling implies skills which can be imparted, which speed can not. Take away Manny's speed and Cotto beats him every day of the week. If they had equivelent hand and foot speed, Manny loses. Cotto is a superior defensive fighter to Manny for sure (Manny fights open, because his speed allows him to). There was no "schooling" done here. Nuff Said.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 I have boxed my entire life,schooling has nothing to do with "imparted Skills" it about how the fight plays out in the ring.A total one sided beat down like that in every department is classed as taking your opponent to School..Yes speed can be taught and if you anything about boxing you would know that.Take away his speed?...lol You might as well say make Cotto a smaller man and Manny wins every time.What a lot of crap you talk.Different fighters bring different skills.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin I boxed for ten years. Once you have achieved your level of proficiency, speed can not be taught. Freddy Roach can not start training Cotto tokmorrow and make him faster. Speed is not a skill. Power is not a skill. Footwork such as cutting off the ring is a skill. Parrying a punch is a skill. Blocking one is a skill. Learning to throw a punch with a clean line is a skill. Saying he was "schooled" implies that Manny could teach him something... which he can't.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Cotto does not have the ability to fight with speed as his particular style of fighting precludes that,speed is is indeed a skill which is taught.Look in any Good Gym and you will see guys doing speed training everyday and if they don't then they are in the wrong gym. I spared with Tommy Hearns for his fight with Hagler and he were training speed everytime he were in the ring. Your implication that fighters can't get better is total rubbish.Just ask Manny Steward about speed training.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Cotto did indeed learn something that night. He learned he was in the ring with the better more gifted fighter and although he had the advantages of size and strength he was still out matched,and again your have failed to answer my question..so I'll ask you again. Tell me in which department of the that fight was Cotto superior? The answer was is simple..NONE,it was a one sided beatdown like Cotto had never suffered before. He was dominated from first to last round and smashed.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 You say Cotto is a good defensive fighter,so did you see his face after the fight? Yep great defence there..You say Pacman is not as good as Cotto as defensive fighter,and you would know this how? He has never been on the back foot long enough for you to judge what he capabilities are as a defensive fighter. You sound like a butt hurt fan boy who is upset that his fighter got beaten. He was schooled plain and simple. Out punched out though and out sped a total shut out by a better man
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin Cotto is a better defensive fighter than Pacman, but without a doubt Pacman is a much better offensive fighter than Cotto. Whenever Cotto tried to open up he got countered with rapid, hard combinations. I like Cotto and Pacquio. I respect them both as fighters. Both are world class and seem decent individuals. But Manny does get hit a lot. Marquez hit him all night long, and Marquez isn't all that fast. "My fighter" didn't get beaten. I am a fan of the game.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin Manny fights very open. He parry's some punches, and he comes in with some head movement, but he's not defensively oriented and when he gets tagged like he did against Marquez and Moralles, he either fires back (not a bad strategy - but not a defensive one) or he brings both gloves high like Clottey. Parrying and / or slipping and countering are not his style. He's an offensive minded figher. That's why he's so much fun to watch.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 But again he has never been on the back foot long enough to know just how good he is in defence. I'm not saying Cotto is a bad fighter of course he isn't he just is not in Pacman league. All great fighters have that something special,Haggler had,not speed not one punch KO power,but accuracy and hard punching to grind an opponent down. Tyson had power and speed Ray Robinson had it all and in either hand,just different fighters bring different skills and abilities.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin Well he hasn't in a while. In the first Moralles fight he was. He's a better fighter now of course. But I think he remains a very offensive minded guy. In watching drills on video (admitedly limited) I've never seen him doing anything that resembles a defensive oriented drill. It's always attack, attack, attack. I just object to the use of the phrase "schooled" vis-a-vis Cotto in implying Cotto was being exposed. Pacman is just more talented.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin Also Marquez hit him an awful lot in all of their fights. When Pacmnan is able to keep an opponent off balance in his attack (which is most of the time) that is his defense. Opponents are afraid to open up. But when not, he gets hit a lot. I think it's because he prefers to fight wide open most of the time. How do you see Pacquio - Mayweather playing out?
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Ah now there is a different fighter altogether,Mayweather is a "true" defensive genius,so it will come down to a couple of things,can the pacman tee off on Mayweather and can Floyd impose his will. Floyd is every bit as fast as Pacman (when he wants to be) and is a much better technical fighter,but Pacman hits harder and is fast and illusive. I'm going to have to go with Mayweather on this one if it ever happens and i still have my doubts about that if I'm honest...lol
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin I think it comes down to two things: Can Floyd's defense neutralize Manny's offense, and can Floyd control the pace with his jab? If the answer to those two questions is yes, then I think Floyd wins easily. If the answer to one of them is no, it's a toss up. If the answer to both is no, Floyd's in for a long night.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Yes Marquez was able to hit him,but Cotto couldn't..could he? Marquez isn't a fast fighter by any means. He is a counter puncher,very accurate and skilled fighter who waits until you commit to attack and then counters you attack. He out thought pacman that night. But in saying that all the three fights were close affairs so it could just be that there skills countered and canceled each other out. There is always a bad match for a fighter to look good against and Marquez is that man.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin Cotto hit him when Manny chose to stand and trade. That also happens to be when Manny hurt Cotto, because he was planting when throwing. But Manny got cracked early. Once Manny started moving in and out, he couldn't hurt Cotto with individual blows, but he certainly was busting him up round after round and Cotto was unable to counter. I agree that Marquez is just a bad matchup for Manny. He can read Manny's intentions really well.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin The funny thing is I think Cotto eats Marquez alive. If they met at a weight Cotto could make (probably 147) I don't think Marquez wins a round. Styles make fights, no question about it.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 It's very difficult to tell with Marquez,i mean Mayweather made him look bad when they fought,but then Mayweather can do that when guys try to hit him and miss all the time,and Mayweather is standing in front of you and you still can't hit the guy so i don't know. Marquez likes to catch you coming in and counter you,but then Cotto likes that to. I though Cotto looked much better in his last fight,but then again he fought a man that was easy to hit.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin I think the big difference between Cotto and Marquez will simply be size. Manny hyperextends when trying to reach a guy moving away. Marquez was constantly moving just out of range, Manny was throwing long punches and getting countered. Cotto won't do that. He'll walk Marquez down, throwing hard combinations when Marquez is in range. He's much stronger than Marquez. I see Marquez getting killed if thart fight happened (it won't).
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Like i said it's difficult to tell,what looks like a miss match in different departments,eg..size and punch power etc don't always translate in to a winning combination in the fight. When you look at there loses you see that Cotto has always lost by TKO and Marquez by decision and that in a weight range of 126-146,so it's not easy to call that one. Cotto will hit harder with a single punch,but Marquez will hit with combinations. Both great fighters and i would love to see it happen.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin I agree in principal, just not in thise case. Cotto can match Marquez' speed, he's really two full weight classes bigger, and he's not hyper-aggressive; he doesn't leave himself so easily open to counters. He has more of a stalking style, vice an all out attack. Difficult to counter that if you're not faster than the guy you are fighting. So I think Cotto is just too big for Marquez. Fight won't happen anyway.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Like you i doubt if the fight will happen,but if you look at there stats they are both identical both 5ft 7 and 67 inch reach,so like i said it's a toss up for me. Marquez is a very hard guy to beat. Or Marquez is 7 years older than Cotto,but as he proved with his fights with Pacman he can hang with the best and only ever lost by decision,where as Cotto has been taken down the TKO route. Cotto gets discouraged when he doesn't dominate and that would be a big problem against Marquez.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin Lastly, I am not a big fan of any one fighter. What Manny has done is remarkable. Nobody, not even the great Henry Armstrong, has captured a title as low as 112 and as high as 147 (his 154 effort didn't count for me, because the weight limit wasn't 154 for the fight). That's impressive. But I am much more a fan of the sport itself. I like to watch boxing regardless of who's fighting. Manny did not school Cotto. he does not have a better understanding of how to box
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin Like I said, you want to see a fighter who got schooled, watch the Rubio - Lemieux fight. Lemieux got schooled. This was a case where the more talented fighter lost because the guy who won had a superior skill set. Lemieux will either break psychologically from this loss (he was blowing all previous opposition out of the ring) or he will learn something from it - like pacing himself, and establishing ranges that are optimal for his stature, and slipping, etc. etc
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin And no, Cotto can't get faster. Yes, you can do drills to improve speed. But that has nothing to do with style. Style does not create speed. That's nonsense. Speed drills and principals are taught early on. Most fighters optimize their speed. Freddy Roach can't teach Cotto to be faster. What did Cotto learn from the Manny fight other than Manny is fast? How did that fight make Cotto better? The word "schooled" implies teaching. You just like how it sounds.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 your particular style dictates your speed,look at Roy Jones,loose fluid hand s down. If he was to stand like Carl Froch he would not be a fluid fighter would he? Cotto was Schooled in that fight. He lost every round and was knocked down and stopped. We are not talking flash knock downs that can happen,but well timed and executed punches. He beat him in every aspect of the fight, How do you know that he doesn't have a better understanding of boxing than Cotto? More rubbish
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 You do speed training all the time,you are put in the ring with light weights that run rings round you and the object is to try and hit them (not hurt them) Now hand speed is a different matter,if you boxed then you should know how you train that! Pacman is a superior fighter plain and simple. He has abilities that Cotto will never have,some of those abilities are god given but you have to be trained to use them and not every guy that enters a ring does.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin But that's my point. What Pacqio does Cotto could never have done. Cotto got the most out of his natural talent. Pacman is a faster fighter, but he's not "superior" in the sense that he has learned something Cotto should have learned and didn't or hasn't. And that is what "schooled" implies. Lots of people now use the term whenever anyone wins a fight. Did Cotto "school" Margarito? No. He was just too fast for him. Did Mayweather "school" Mosley? No. Just too fast
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 You are taking the word School out of context and you know it. It means "to teach someone a lesson" not to show them how to do what you do as that would be stupid don't you think? as well you know and that's what he got that night a boxing lesson from a better boxer plain and simple and yet again you failed to answer my question..wonder why? If you can't admit Pacman is a better fighter then i suggest you watch the video your commenting on,that should help you.
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin And no - Pacquio didn't "teach Cotto a lesson." Cotto didn't go into the fight thinking Pacquio is a chump. What lesson did Pacquio teach Cotto?
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin And Pacman being a better fighter doesn't mean he "schooled" anyone. His ability come from natural talent. He isn't a harder worker or smarter or whatever than Cotto.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Another Definition of Schooling would be showing an opponent something he had never seen before or in your vernacular and "imparted skill" Cotto isn't in the same league as Pacman in terms of speed and footwork and as for your comment about handicapping a fighter by taking away his speed and the other guy wins is pathetic. You still didn't answer my question about which departments Cotto was superior in when they fought? It was a one sided mauling and Cotto was stopped NUFF SAID
merryhobgoblin 1 month ago
@merryhobgoblin "Schooling" would be a case where a fighter with the lessar ability beats the fighter with greater ability through his skill set. So, for example, Rubio "Schooled" Lemieux. And I did tell you which element Cotto was superior (is superior) - defense. My example isn't "pathetic". It imparts the point that all things being equal (speed, strength and so forth) the fighter with the superior skill set would win. Pacquio does't have superior skills to Cotto, he's faster
MADMAC572 1 month ago
I hope he fights pac again at 154 cotto looked much beter and smarter in the ring
mrdogtown75 2 months ago
@mrdogtown75 They'd fight at a catch weight... not 154. I'd like to see Cotto fight Alvarez. Interesting matchup.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
Yeah right...retire before a rematch??? Because he knows Cotto will fuck Pac man up...thats why Bitch Roach!!
MsJanne24 2 months ago 6
stfu u stupid ass bitch cotto should go down there and beat the fuk out of u dirty hobo >:o and cotto has gotten better with his new trainer and faster i hope theres a rematch between cotto and pacqiao
MrPuertorican1997 2 months ago
Freddy Roach is a meathead! Cotto looked fine to me beating up Margarito...Freddy Stephen Hawking Roach should retire.
seanLeonard1000 2 months ago
Fuck you. YOU retire. Your business is with Manny - keep it there.
Fayme20 2 months ago 3
I'm sure he thought Cotto, SSM, ODH, Marg and Clottey should have retired as well = perfect opponent.
quenquen411 4 months ago 4
He said Cotto could be next, but Cotto should retire. there you go.
quenquen411 4 months ago 7
Freddie Roach is a shit talker! and he's extremely annoyingly cocky. Mayweather will whoop Pacquiao. The same way Sugar Ray made Roberto Duran Quit.
rdcvgr88 5 months ago 3
@rdcvgr88 Pacquiao is very humble, but Freddie Roach is just a cocky son of a bitch. I hope Pretty Boy Floyd signifies once and for all who the best fighter of our generation is by woopin Pacquaio and Roach.
universe112 4 months ago 3
@rdcvgr88 Sugar Ray lost the first fight with Duran.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
Cotto shouldnt retire, there are lots of fights i would like to see Cotto in if he beats Margarito, against Sergio Martinez, Canelo, Angulo, Paul WIlliams, or Erislandy Lara.
Jthewhite 5 months ago
Cotto shouldnt retire, there are lots of fights i would like to see Cotto in if he beats Margarito, against Sergio Martinez, Canelo, Angulo, Paul WIlliams, or Erislandy Lara.
Jthewhite 5 months ago
i can say cotto never say no to nobody cotto against all
edejesus87 6 months ago
It is very sad seeing how Freddie Roach condition worsen by the day sounding more like a person with the punch drunk disiase, it is horrible seeing loosing his range of motion.
HIGADODEGANZO 7 months ago
"Getting killed"? "Should retire"? What the fuck is this wack talking about? Manny's semen has gotten to his brains or what? Cotto is the SuperWelter Weight Champion of the World, he's one hell of a boxer and he is ready to defend his title against anybody at 154 or even go up to 160 and challenge any of them big dogs there
RatedRKingofKings 7 months ago
@RatedRKingofKings Cotto is too small to fight at 160. He's not even a very big puncher at 154. He should stay where he is. Martinez would eat his lunch.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@MADMAC572 Cotto is a good puncher at 154, he just faced two big, tough challengers in his first two title defenses. Mayorga and Margo may not be good boxers, they are obviously past their primes and very diminished, but they are both tough and have good chins. Cotto would give Martinez a good run for his money at 160 but I agree with you, he would hardly beat him. Martinez TKO in the late rounds.
RatedRKingofKings 1 month ago
Miguel Cotto retire lmfao? Freddie Roach thinks he's the shit
Henrydaddy69 9 months ago
MANNY PACQUAIO'S FIGHTS ARE FIXED!!!!
wolf4lifepsl 9 months ago
Cotto fans do not get mad at Freddy. He said that absolute truth about Cotto. Freddy says it because he does not want Cotto messed up later on in life like he is. This is coming from a Freddy & Manny hater.
JCGCINC 10 months ago
I hate Freddie Roach
TheSweetestScience 11 months ago
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432cestus80 11 months ago
freddie roach look so funny hes a cheater
MrGmbswagchamp 1 year ago
Listen to all this retards loser, Roach is not even allowed to voice out his opinion coz this pea brains poeple here a sore loser LOl. Everybody is entitled to their opinion so calm down pyscho's.
ChicChikBoom 1 year ago
@ChicChikBoom why, its not hard to figure out ...if you say roach is just giving his opinion, everybody is entitled...then why are you complaining when everyone else is giving their"s....???
pls, think a bit first , before you start to call other ppl pea brains
jaikaransingh 1 year ago 2
@jaikaransingh : You think before you open your gab, first of all I'm not complaining I'm just voicing my opinion like everybody else. Your are the one who's whining like a biatch. I can say whatever I want coz this is a free country and I don't even mind even if your whining like a lunatic.
ChicChikBoom 1 year ago
@ChicChikBoom are you dense??? why would you point out the freedoms of the ppls opinions, then say what you did?
just shut your fool mouth and grow up
jaikaransingh 1 year ago
@jaikaransingh : Idiot! You shut your gab, coz you sound like retarded. You said, I'm complaining which I'm not moron. Theres a difference between complaining and voicing their opionion. Why don't you educate yourself moron, and shut the fuck!
ChicChikBoom 1 year ago
tell cotto to retire!? cotto will fight anyone. roach you bitch your protecting your lil pussy fighter. you dont want him to fight marquez cause the lil congressman might lose boo the fucking hoo
sabi361 1 year ago
FREDDIE ROACH IS AN ASSHOLE !!FUCK HIM.
martillo73 1 year ago
Freddie Ego is growing.
maneco88 1 year ago
I am convinced that Margo was using illigal wraps vs Cotto...just the way Cotto's face looked he had injuries that I had never seen before on a boxer
TzzX78 1 year ago 2
Cotto can't catch a break.He completely dominated Foreman from the opening bell yet people are writing off the victory because Foreman blew out his knee. Any sane person watching this fight saw the walls closing in on Foreman long before the knee injury. A KO surely seemed imminent. Of course...some are even suggesting Yuri had knee problems coming into the fight. Funny how these people never brought up Yuri's knees when they predicted he would box rings around Cotto...oh yeah...Roach is a dick.
ebandd 1 year ago 2
Oh Freddy go take a shit, why don't you. This is boxing 101. Freddy's fighter is fighting Cotto soon. So he throws a few verbal jabs. Whatever dude, might as well tell me you are doing witchcraft on me. If Cotto was in his corner, he would be singing a different tune. It is all boxing. At the end of the day; it's gonna be Cotto and Chavez Jr. in the center of the ring. End of story.
Hazenstones 1 year ago 2
tell cotto to retire careful roach.the cotto they beat was a disaster without training an still last 12 round.with a trainer like emanuel cotto can be very dengerous now.
riverazzz1 1 year ago 2
@riverazzz1 are you serious, that's what they said to hatton when mayweather sr was training him, look what happened. and they would've stopped the fight earlier but the ref was just giving cotto a chance to prove himself. i like cotto's style but you can't teach old dog new tricks. no disrespect to stewart but i think pacman will still beat cotto if they fight again.
KUPZ29 1 year ago
the hell with you Roach.
samsever69 1 year ago
freddie needs to fuckin retire with his parkinsons (spelling?) disease havin ass. he cant keep up to train em,so he just injects em!!!!!!!!!!!! cotto will smash chavez jr as long as hes not on that hulk shit!!!!
youngtek361uno 1 year ago
Respond to this video... retire cotto really? manny lost to nobodies, cotto lost to plaster and PED.if you ask me manny should had been retired.i guess freddie is mad cause cotto dont use PED like manny.cotto is ready to fight anybody unlike manny who did not want to fight foreman because he is tall cotto dont care how tall you are or how much you weight he is there to fight anybody like a warrior.manny would be a bad spartan he would not fight xerxez because he is tall lol
Rocky374 1 year ago 2
@Rocky374 and i'm guessing you have the proof the manny is using PED. and you said he wont fight nobody taller than him, i guess delahoya is about the same height then, and now margarito, hmmmmmm. stop smoking bro, it's affecting your thinking....
KUPZ29 1 year ago
@KUPZ29 damn it i am talking to a guy who knows shit about boxing.who knows nothing at all.Stick to your gay mma and ufc and dont u put a pic of your kid in the account cause that makes people hate your kid.LMAO
Rocky374 1 year ago
@Rocky374 wow, that is just childish. hate my kid, hahahaha. get a life
KUPZ29 1 year ago
@KUPZ29 u are childish trying to start shit with me
Rocky374 1 year ago
now i like roach as a trainer, and i love manny and cotto too..
but how are you going to say that cotto should retire, but at the same time be looking for a rematch against him???
imo, it makes it look like you just want to take an easy fight to get a belt. im just saying..
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon yes it looks that way!
anglekan 1 year ago
@elnegrobembon why not. evryone else is takin the easy options why cant pac
HewNed1 1 year ago
@HewNed1
i guess.... but as a fan, i'd rather see him fight a paul williams if he really wants a light middleweight belt.
i'm not really interested in a cotto rematch (and i'm a big cotto fan too) or in a margarito fight, for that matter... i think he'd utterly destroy margaraito, so ehhhh..
i think williams is the best fight in LMW... at least from a fan's perspective.
elnegrobembon 1 year ago
if 154 is not to big why when he fought cotto they made him come down to 145 instead of fighting at 147 which is true welterweight
lrnoif 1 year ago 17
@lrnoif ..Freddie Roach has admitted several times that Manny is not comfortable over 145. That is his limit. He has admitted that anything over that weight slows Manny down and he can see a big differene..PEACE !!!
sms8668 1 year ago
@lrnoif very true so lets see what wappens if a rematch comes!!!!
edejesus87 6 months ago
i dont care who pacs fight next he is going to lose if he fights mayweather i think he will lose and either marg or cotto at 154 idk i think that is way to high for pacman and of course the excuses will be his head was not in it cause of congress my opinion and by the way not a pacman hater i watch him from when he was young i like him as a fighter but i dont think he can beat mayweather which i dont really like but i have to be honest and 154 is way to big
lrnoif 1 year ago 4
@lrnoif are you kidding me? Then explain why Mayweather still hasn't signed when Pacman agreed to drug testing weeks ago???
Pacman destroyed Hatton, DLH, much faster than Floyd! Floyd has no power like Manny! Manny put Cotto in the hospital! That's what Pacman does!
Floyd runs, the old DLH almost beat Floyd. What do you think Pacman is going to do. Floyd can't handle punches in bunches!
whole27 1 year ago
@whole27 here's why..bc boxing drug testing is a joke and easy to pass. any tests given up to 4 days can be beat. creams, gels, orals and waterbase test is out of your sytem from 4 to 10 days. Oils will stay much longer so if u want a legit test which Mayweather wants, it should really b 2 to 3 days b4 the fight. I don't blame Mayweather bc this is the biggest fight in the world so lets b on the same playing field. Manny should take the test 48 hrs b4 and then c what Floyd does..PEACE !!@
sms8668 1 year ago
@sms8668 what are you talking about...pacman already agreed to floyds demands which was random, olympic testing...even 24 hours before the fight! So don't make more excuses for why Floyd still hasn't signed!
Floyd is scared, period! Floyd never asked any of his first 40 fighters to take random testing and then all of a sudden he wants it cause he knows it messes with pacmans head like it did in the morales fight! Just as Floyd made marquez come up 3 weight classes...he always wants an edge
whole27 1 year ago
@whole27 . U make about as much sense as "Terri Schiavo".. Floyd wants an edge ?? Every fight he fought he was against the odds. Pacquio lost to Morales bc of a blood test? The same Morales took. THAT IS A FUCKIN EXCUSE. He lost 3 times and has 2 draws bc he was not that great. Now he was knocking out welterweights. Floyd thinks he is or was on SOMETHING so he wants to be on the same playing field. I will tell you why he wants the test now. BC IT IS THE GRANDE FINALE. I'LL GET BACK 2 U
sms8668 1 year ago
@sms8668 lol.just cause pacquiao got a few losses doesn't mean he is automatically a worse fighter than a guy with no losses dumbass. A lot of guys in boxing have no losses because they all pick and choose who they fight to avoid tought fights like Floyd obviously has done later in his career to keep his undefeated record
There are no more excuses for Floyd. It's out now to even his fans..Mayweather is scared of Pacman's power! Pacman destroyed guys faster than FLoyd and he faced tougher guys
whole27 1 year ago
@whole27 ..First Off You R bragging on your profile that you R an ATHIEST and you know about what exist at what doesn't. YOUR THE ONLY FUCKN FREAK ON HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT BEING AN ATHIEST IN YOUR PROFILE. AND THEN YOU R A PACQUIO FAN WHO IS THE MOST RELIGIOUS PERSON IN THE SPORT. TELL YOUR PARENTS TO PULL THE PLUG ON YOUR BRAIN DEAD ASS !!
sms8668 1 year ago
@sms8668 HAHA, YOU ARE A DUMBASS! JUST BECAUSE I'M SMART ENOUGH AND EDUCATED TO KNOW RELIGION IS FICITION AND ABSURD DOESN'T MEAN I CAN ONLY LIKE PEOPLE OF THE SAME BELIEF ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE REASON I LIKE THEM IS FOR ANOTHER REASON DUMBASS...LOL
I DON'T LIKE PACMAN BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION BUT BECAUSE HE IS THE BEST BOXER. JUST AS YOU DISAGREE WITH PEOPLE YOU LIKE ON SOME ISSUES...NO ONE IS GOING TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING YOU STUPID IDIOT...LOL....GET SOME COMMON SENSE
whole27 1 year ago
@whole27 suck a dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!
youngtek361uno 1 year ago
@sms8668 WOW, you are an old man....before i saw your profile i would of thought you were an immmature little kid but you're a grown man who is immature and ignorant.....i bet you believe in a book with absolutely no evidence, the bible...lol....you seem pretty gullible and nieve! Talk to your imaginary friend jesus for me....and a muslim can talk to Allah and a hindu can talk to Krishna...and i will talk to Zeus....hahahahaha
whole27 1 year ago
@whole27 LIKE WHO?? PLEASE NAME A FIGHT THAT HAS FLOYD TALENT?
mobilefreenzy 1 year ago
@mobilefreenzy name a fight that has Pacman talent;)
whole27 1 year ago
@whole27 yeah but i think mayweather will outsmart him at the end like he does all his fights oh and if you seen the bandage around pacs ear after cotto fight came from a ruptured ear drum how in the world do you explain him not feeling that possible something called hgh
lrnoif 1 year ago
@whole27 This is a very difficult fight to call. For me it comes down to two things; can Floyd's defense prevent him from catching big punches and can his jab control the pace of the fight. If yes, Floyd wins. If no, floyd loses.
MADMAC572 1 month ago
@lrnoif yeah smart ass? hows floyd gonna win from manny? by decesion? do you think? if floyd wants to win he should ko manny wich i dont think is gonna happen..pacqiao doesnt give up believe me manny is going to fuck that coward up good.. thats the reason why floyd doenst wanna fight either
LoveFromBelgium 1 year ago
@lrnoif its funny caus pac is really sick of hearing that he is to small for welter... thats why he came away form the game plan in the early rounds of cotto fight...
loss7y 1 year ago
you can tell his disease is catching up to him he sounds retarted but i guess trainig fighters on drugs makes you feel confident. james toney stripped of his heavy weight title after beating ruiz on drugs , julio cezar chavez jr suspended 5 months for steriods and lord knows what alex ariza is hitting manny pacquiao with but freddy roach is a trainer who thinks hes great and is just a cheating bum you never had half the heart in the ring miguel cotto has shown us.
lilneca 1 year ago
@lilneca cotto sucks...u are obviously a mexican/rican nuthugger and still support cotto cause of that when he is so slow! Pacman destroyed him and put him in the hospital where he belongs!
as cotto said, i just fought the best fighter of my life! pacman made cotto look like a bitch!
whole27 1 year ago
@whole27 that was a good fight..what the hell were u watchen
aschindler22 1 year ago
Margartio(cheater) doesn't deserve to fight again and Definitely!!! not against Manny Pacquiao. Margarito if he ever gets his license back should start from the bottom of the division.
fox23vang 1 year ago
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gerry1976 1 year ago
Manny did not fight Floyd bc he was running for Congressman. Floyd would have steered those votes in a different direction after defeating him. Love Manny, but Floyd is a specimen in that ring. Manny would try to hard to beat Floyd which would end up Manny punching himself out. Floyd's defense is too slick, making Manny miss hundreds of shots and Floyd countering all night. ..PEACE !!
sms8668 1 year ago
@sms8668 no way, u obviously don't know fighting..DLH almost beat Floyd and would have if he just kept his jab up...WTF do you think Pacman is going to do...destroy Floyd!
whole27 1 year ago
@whole27 ..First off, ur talking to the wrong person with ur lame ass comments about Boxing Second, don't even bring up the DLH fight bc they were 2 completely different fights which Floyd had to go up in weight and everthing from the gloves to the judges to weight, Oscar had to pick. Pac fight was everthing to his advantage and Oscar could barely get off the stool. Another prick sucking on the PAC'S COCK !!
sms8668 1 year ago
@sms8668 hahaha, excuses excuses for the DLH fight. Okay, lets hear your excuses for Mayweather for not finishing Hatton nearly as fast and by a cold KO like Pacman did within minutes of the fight! 2nd round!
The gloves? lol...come on, Pacman proves again and again he is a BEAST! That is why Mayweather is running!
Mayweather got no more excuses, first Pacman was on drugs after whooping Cotto and hospitalizing him, now Pacman has agreed to Floyd's custom rules...where is Mayweather???????
whole27 1 year ago
I think Cotto will whip on Manny thiz time around @ 154 becuz Emanuals not stupid he wont play the catch weight game with Freddy lol he would tell Freddie get ready becuz I have thiz boy now! now its on! REMATCH!
kingzdomain13 1 year ago
i think cotto can beat manny in the rematch he could have won the first one if he had any kind of advice in his corner all his trainer said durin the fight was good job. watch the fight you'll see wut im sayin...
536191 1 year ago
Fuck fighting cotto again... dont cotto have a chance... u think cotto is dangerous in 154 when he beat a no name yuri foreman.....
i rather see pac vs marquez 3... because filipino vs mexican always exciting fight its always WAR
jhohnpaul 1 year ago
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kyzel2304 1 year ago
wow he straight up said cotto retire - so will pac take the 40million $drug test ?hmmmmmm any talks on that ?
hvcool 1 year ago
Yuri Foreman had some balls in that Cotto fight no doubt!!!! Mayweather can't be the greatest of all time only fight 40+ fights in his career. Fukin old man Chavez had over 80 wins around the same age that Mayweather is now!!!!
Wangtime1 1 year ago
"If you were training Miguel Cotto what would be somethings you would work with him? "
"I'd tell him to retire."
lol harsh.
beans4breakfast 1 year ago
i'm sure we will see Pacquiao vs Cotto 2 at 154 lbs...It's tipically of Roachpsicopresure
pacoelterrible 1 year ago
Freddy Cocaroach is a hater........he said that Cotto was getting hit with everything that Yuri Foreman had lol...what fight was he watching?????( he must have lost his glasses that day) you should retire Freddy!.....as a matter of fact the only fighter freddy has thats any good is Pacquiao so freddy you should shut the f up!!! Cotto is back!!!
bxrican05 1 year ago 2
@bxrican05 - Bullshit, Khan is a great fighter. He's also trained MMA fighters like Anderson Silva and Arlovski. He's trained over 15 world champions.
boxingaddict25 1 year ago
freddie cocaracha tell me about blood test
taiwan25 1 year ago 2
i think freddie is getting abit too cheeky again pacquaio aint not god is he, just because he beat cotto dont mean cotto should retire wtf r you mad freddie, cotto just won the wba title up a weight fuk sake cotto only lost to a cheater magritto and pacquaio that means he should retire, cotto works hard trains hard and is at 12 round fighter its not like he got k.od in 1 round or 2 fuk sake freddie grow up
amirkhansfan1 1 year ago 15
@amirkhansfan1 lol i think he was trying to say that cotto still got hit by yuri despite the fact that yuri was crippled. his habits are the same and he hasnt improved his defense
swiffstep 1 year ago
@swiffstep freddie said same shit when pacquaio beat him cotto should retire now hes sayign it again, r you dumb open your eyes cotto a great fighter he only got 2 loses he a good 12 round fighter he fights all threw no matter what, he aint no bum he trains hard man
amirkhansfan1 1 year ago 2
@amirkhansfan1 dude how would u know, u aint no trainer of the year hall of famer. all u got is opinion, no facts. freddie figured cotto out like a book, and hes not a dependable prize fighter by the looks of it. cotto maybe should retire while hes ahead
swiffstep 1 year ago
@swiffstep o0h shurrup you clown hall of bame trainer who gives a shit, cotto record he only lost twice you dik now all of a sudden hes shit well he way better then hatton the fatton, cotto wins agaisnt all others but just becuz pacquaio beat him he should reitre god sakes, freddie saying cotto gets hit, didnt the same cotto damage pacquaios ear? didnt pacquai get hit often by the african dude hes name gone out of my head he won in dallas cow stadium that guy was hitting paquaio very often
amirkhansfan1 1 year ago
@swiffstep does that mean pacqauio should reitre just becuz clottley was coughten him you rely of hall of fames shit i rely of the proper stuff, iwatch all these fights i know get your cock out of freddies ars cuz he dosnt alwayz talk straight
amirkhansfan1 1 year ago
@amirkhansfan1 could'nt of said it better myself !
rniggemyer 1 year ago
@amirkhansfan1 hop off Cotto's dong dude
deathclutch0910 11 months ago
@amirkhansfan1 i agree.... ppl keep saying cotto should retire after two losses.. are you kidding me. 2 LOSSES... how many greats have more than two fights. its ridiculous when ppl say that. especially someone like freddy. he is getting too big headed wit pac. idk .
HellzFuryRC 8 months ago
@amirkhansfan1 I don't Freddie Roach at all, he used to be humble, but now this Pacquiao era got him to cocky, BTW if Cotto faces Pacman once again Cotto will win!
rdcvgr88 5 months ago
if you watch judah vs mayweather judah clowned him til he got tired in the 5th round the left straight all day cause judah is a southpaw too but nowhere near as good as pac man. i dont see pac man getting tired. against clottey he threw 100 punches a round even clottey was still waiting on him to tire after the fight was over LOL i think even mayweather knows he will lose which is why he'll never fight pac man
comancheboiBARTONE 1 year ago
Manny all the way....
Cotto vs. Manny 2 would probably be a better fight than floyd anyways...
SF01Pro 1 year ago
@SF01Pro For you yes because Manny can beat Cotto, not Floyd.
hitmancoolio 1 year ago
@hitmancoolio okay, well, i hope they manny and floyd do fight as u will see floyd getting knocked out for the very first time...knocked out like hatton....don't believe me - i'll bet u $1 billion dollars....take that...
SF01Pro 1 year ago
im not saying pacquiao wouldnt beat cotto again, but remember pacquiao fought cotto at a catchweight of 146, instead of the welterweight limit of 147. so i doubt pacquiao will go up in weight to fight for cottos new belt at light middleweight
Rfc1Darryl 1 year ago
@Rfc1Darryl the catchweight was 145 pal & you're right pac won't move up to fight cotto at the bigger weight bcos roach likes pac to have a big advantage going into fights, they might try to get cotto at another catchweight of 150 or something so as pac can win another fake title..
28rampage 1 year ago
@28rampage - your right, well theres actually no one else to fight, even clottey was considered as a contender and he got destroyed, Mosley was a contender in my books and he got beat one sidedly by mayweather, so it has to fucking happen, no more waiting, no more years, lets fucking have it this year pacquiao vs mayweather
Rfc1Darryl 1 year ago 2
Pacman is a fraud !! a creation of Roach putting him in front of has beens and stiffs. Manny has never been in the ring with someone as fast and talented a counterpuncher and defensive technician as Mayweather. Being that fast with a 5" reach advantage, coupled with the fact that he gets hit very little, I see no way possible Manny Pacquiao can win. In fact I foresee Manny taking a very very serious beating. This fight will change his life!
primeraprim 1 year ago
@primeraprim .agree. pac has never face a boxer as talented as floyd coz floyd's too afraid of him. Floyd has every advantage reach, height, weight, speed, skills, stamina, etc and yet he still don't want to face pac. Coz there's just no defense against the pacman as clottey who has one hell of a defense learn the hard way. it will be the same boring outcome.
jcsgasco 1 year ago
@jcsgasco u total complete and utter moron !!!
primeraprim 1 year ago
@primeraprim So true!
hitmancoolio 1 year ago
@hitmancoolio floyd has a awesome resume >> Genaro , Carlos Hernandez ,chavez,,Castillo,,Phillip N'dou,,Gatti,,Judah,,Mitchell, ,Baldomir,,De La Hoya,,,Hatton,Marquez,,DeMarcus Corley ,Corrlaes ,,MOSLEY !! who has pac fought 5 past prime weight drained or floyds left overs fighters!! or getting beat by jmm twice or moralas !! NOT GOOD LEGACY SO FAR !
haters will never GIVE CREDIT and RESPECT WHERE CREDIT and RESPECT IS DUE and Floyds CREDIT AND RESPECT IS LONG OVERDUE !!!!
primeraprim 1 year ago
@hitmancoolio hi bro !! when u gonna put up the rest of that awesome Tyson speech video u got !!!
primeraprim 1 year ago
@primeraprim true roach has picked pacs recent fights very carefully & is on record as saying mosely has contacted him on several occasions willing to fight pac at 147 & roach has said if you can make 142 we will fight you & mosely said but you fought oscar at 147 & roach said but you're not oscar you're better, now surely if pac is so great he would beat mosely at 147? to me thats being a coward.. floyd fought & destroyed mosely at 147 but roach was afraid to let pac fight him lol
28rampage 1 year ago
@28rampage yes mate !! Don't know what makes Mayweather a coward, he calls out Pacquiao. Out boxes Mosely who Roach, Manny's trainer says was too dangerous a fight for Manny to take , Pacman also pussied out of fighting Mosley TWICE.who turned up to his gym TWICE to arrange a fight..
pacrat also ducked soto, casamayor, raheem, guzman,Martinez, Williams, Argueo and Spinks....Bradley at 140,he beat a broken Miguel Cotto and then went for punch bag clotty ,He is not a real champion at 140 or 147
primeraprim 1 year ago
@primeraprim yes true, i do think he fought decent fighters like barrera, morales & marquez but i feel marquez beat him twice & morales was shot by the time the rematch came.. i don't think this fight will happen now anyway it's taking too long to be announced,,
28rampage 1 year ago
@28rampage may be it might happen in november as a lot are saying it will or early next year !! but i would love to see a pbf vs martinez blockbuster before pac wouldnt be bad !!. but pac vs pbf will happen as arum and floyd will never walk away from $150+ million fight and then the rematch !! but i hope cotto does retire as he said he would but money does funny things to ur mind !! i hope cotto dont turn into a meldrick taylor !!
primeraprim 1 year ago
@28rampage Source?
jamessicat25 1 year ago
@jamessicat25 the source is freddie roach lol, check maestro boxings channel & watch the video mayweather vs pacquiao the truth exposed
28rampage 1 year ago
honest guy. sounds just like shaggy from scooby doo. Cotto should fight Margarito again befor he retires. I believe the fight between Manny and Floyd will happen in November. Floyd is going to style on Manny.
rayzeos116 1 year ago 2