WASNT JOE LOUIS LIKE 500yrs old this fight??? Hahahaha MARCIANO WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST BRAWLERS EVER!!! BUT AS FAR AS BOXING & THE SWEET SCIENCE, NOT SO!!! & FUCK ALI ILL TAKE LARRY HOLMES OVER MARCIANO!!! HAHAHAHAHA
liston was accused off cheating after his fight with ali useing a blinding solution on his gloves thats why ali wanted 2 quit cause he could not see but ali did want 2 quit againt joe frazier as much as frazier wanted 2 quit and thats not at all it was a life and death decision made by his corner
To Shikat2371: Liston was a shuffling, clumsy bear, Ali outdanced him and Liston wasn't used to it so quit the fight. Ali was ready to quit before Liston. Ali was kept in the ring by his corner giving him confidence he could do it. These big guys play at tiring the opponent out first, they hug, squeeze, clinch and hold for the first 8 rounds, with Ali being the worst of these offenders, eventually your guard drops and you get Ko.d. Boxers hate grapplers and weavers and bobbers about.
You have an interesting point, but taking everything into account your wrong. Ali was all for quitting against Liston, a few times Ali showed a reluctance against grappling fighters, the sort who just kept coming forward, Frasier for instance and Ali was confused and scared, Long range he could not be beaten but first he had to tire you out over 8-10 rounds, Marciano had the PUNCH, wham and your counted out. So we are betting Marciano hitting him and crowding him
@ToTheBallCharles2 Frankly, I don't quite get it. How can it be so when Ali won the heavyweight crown from Liston during their first fight?? Now granted, Ali didn't have a powerful punch like Liston or Marciano had, but he had speed and that's what helped him escape Sonny Liston's haymakers and win the heavyweight title.
Of the Ali-Frazier matches, I frankly didn't see any indication that Ali was reluctant to take on Frazier.
There are fighters like Johnson, Dempsey and Marciano. Then boxers like Louis, Walcot and Charles. Then sportsmen like Schmeling and Tunney, then clowns like Maxie Rosenbloom, then professionals like Max Baer, and journeymen boxers like Braddock, then gifted amateurs, then hobbyists. To rate these in any sort of order is impossible so you can vote for popularity, by gate tickets sold, or KO. record. You then have Sam Langford and Harry Greb no one would fight these two. Marciano Wins. RIP Pal.
Joe Louis was 37 and past his prime when he fought Marciano in 1951. Had they fought 10 years earlier, then the outcome might have been different and Joe Louis may have had the upper hand.
37 years is usually considered retirement age for boxers.
Muhammad Ali announced his retirement at 37 then decided to make a comeback a short time later, only to lose the next two bouts with Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick before deciding to retire for good. The guy was already past his prime.
Joe Louis was a much better boxer and fighter than Rocky, the snag is Louis couldn't cope with Rocky Marciano highly aggressive 'in your face style'. If Rocky and kept his distance Louis would have won, but how do you punch a man who's sitting under your chin. You can't forecast the outcome if Rocky fought Tyson or Dempsey. Ali Clay would have went down to him and would have soon got that "tell me what to do here look on his face". Rocky will always be in the top 10.
Joe Louis was in his late 30's when he fought Rocky Marciano who was around 26 years old in his prime. Joe had the experience no doubt but, his body was getting old, worn out and loosing his hair. I like both fighters but, if there ages were the same Joe would have punched Rocky's light out.
@troyshereforu I think it was more then age, rock'ys style was very peculiar and he huts joe with basically two types of punches the whole fight. hes just better
Anyone can see that Louis was over the hill. Compare how fast his punches were in one of the Baer fights with here where he looks like a journeyman heavyweight with long seconds between every punch. I agree with one comment here; the SFX and beat music are not necessary. Surely there should be a place where one gets away from those for a while. It's getting to the point where every video seems to have a hip hop soundtrack.
Marciano was a beast from hell... not really a boxer but a straight-up puncher. At 2'06", he starts to really lay into Louis... and those punches from 2'12" to 2'15" are just devastating. It brought a tear to my eye to see Louis knocked out of the ring that way... such a graceful champion and a beautiful human being, reduced to a pile of squirming flesh.
some say joe was over the hill! yet he beat every single white or black men they , threw at HIM, actually that,s probably the best age in boxing, experience ,wise ,get real marciano was not the fastest but he was the most powerful PUNCHER!!
this reminds me of Ali vs Homes... in his day he would of KO easy... just went to long and was out there prime. not takin anything away from rocky because he was an outstading boxing
LOUIS vs RM. Joe WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME BUT CLOSE, only reflexes somewhat down! WBC NEVER KEPT ANY PROMISES only SHIFTED BLAME ON OTHERS!IN REALITY RM could have been CHAMP 1952-1957! On jan2 floyd stil beat old mongoos at 21!
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@rahnyc4 not an achievement ? thats still Joe Louis, even in this his last fight he could have beaten at least 95% of the people that called them selves pro boxers
Every person that knows anything about boxing knows that Rocky got a break by fighting a worn out Louis in this fight. A prime Louis would have been almost impossible to beat, unless you're Cassius Clay. But still Marciano would have put up a fight that Louis would have remembered for a long time. Of course Louis would have shown great respect to Marciano after the fight and vice versa; since they both were gentlemen on and of the ring.
@BEALSVILLEGOON You must me outta you're god damn mind! Joe Lewis was greatest boxer that ever lived! He was better cassius clay, better then sugar ray, better who dat new boy? Mike Tyson, look like a bulldog, better then him too,he would whip Mike Tyson's ass he would whip all those asses.
@PureAgainBOF3 Critics consider Sugar Ray Robinson / Muhammad Ali to be the greatest boxers of all time. This is an objective conclucion, rather than your subjective one
Maybe I’m missing something here. But what could it be? Besides averaging nearly 35 years of age, Marciano’s heavyweight title foes had lost 71 fights in all. In closing, the career of Rocky Marciano is glorified in a manner I cannot understand. Statistics, the numbers, they don’t lie. That being said, even though he was 49-0 with 43 whacks, to use Marciano and great in the same sentence is in my opinion is erroneous.
@RayPFP What is wrong with you, Kid?! Give yourself a break & give it up! Marciano "exhibitioned" his brother bcz his scheduled exhibition sparring partner; Peter Fuller(who actually even exhibitioned w/Ali in Boston, yrs later), had to pull out at the last minute & RM didnt want to disappoint fans. His brother then "exhihitioned" a couple more times, they weren't fights! U truly don't no wut ur talking about! I've made my points;GF fought more & bigger tomato cans! Now please, get some help!!!
@MrStefon1 Did you see the Applegate fight,Lowry fights,Lastarza 1,Charles1? Sure when a shot fighter was infront of the Rock he looked impressive, but when he faced younger fightgers he struggled more. Applegate,Lowry, Lastarza 1. Rock never ever faced a prime top tier puncher. If he did can you please list>?
@MrStefon1 Did you see the Applegate fight,Lowry fights,Lastarza 1,Charles1? Sure when a shot fighter was infront of the Rock he looked impressive, but when he faced younger fighters he struggled more. Applegate,Lowry, Lastarza 1. Rock never ever faced a prime top tier puncher. If he did can you please list>? Rock is the product of slick management. Never face a prime top tier puncher over 200 ,by all means if you want to stay unbeaten Rock. Does Foreman or Liston get shot? Hell no...
@RayPFP Back again so soon? Kid, UR an insufferable nobody! Why in the world would u come here again to make ur dumbass comments denigrating a great champ to his fans, when nobody cares wut u think, or asks 4 ur opinion?! Go to a Foreman vid & sing praises of GF & why u think he was great, instead of coming to a RM vid to dump on a venerated champ! What possesses a person to come here to campaign so hard against a legend?! U have significant insecurities&mental issues! Please go & seek help!
@strictlycomments You're suffering from a delusional disorder. I think you took one to many shots to the head.Marciano great champ? You must be refering to Ali or Louis. Certainly not Marciano. What prime top tier puncher did he beat>? What prime great did he beat? Marciano was the product of slick management . Marciano hit harder than Foreman? Listen to how stupid you sound. You old fart you';re the one that needs help.People are laughing at you, stupid.
In 1949 in Providence, Mr. Lowry fought Marciano for the first time and lost by a decision, but according to newspaper accounts, many in the crowd felt Mr. Lowry should have won the bout. The two fought again in 1950, and Marciano dominated, but could not KO Mr. Lowry. Marciano went on to win all of his 49 fights, 43 by knockout.
I will always believe that his manager in New York-AI Weill of Madison Square Garden fame-had something to do with the fight's outcome. Al was not at the fight but, because the Rock was his fighter, the judges gave the last six rounds to Rocky to gain favor with Mr. Weill.
I hit Rocky at will for the first four rounds. Although he was tough and in good condition, I had him hanging on the ropes by the fourth round. In my opinion, the bell saved him. In the fifth round, things changed. I think his comer men figured out my style somewhat because he came out fighting differently. Instead of rushing me, he moved around me and that caused me to change my style. In doing so, he was able to get to me a little bit better.
A Future Champion." Marciano's record claims that he was undefeated, that he never lost a fight in 49 fights. But I claim to have beaten him in our first fight on October 10, 1949. The local paper was there and judged the fight by rounds. The Providence Journal scored six rounds for me and four rounds for Rocky. Ask anyone who was there that night and saw the fight, and they will tell you who really won
I had heard about Rocky Marciano; he was the new kid on the block. I had the feeling they were hand-picking his fights, bringing him along. So, I was not intimidated by his record. I did not know until I was in the ring with him that he was all that they said he was: .
LETS FACE IT RCKY WAS ONLY GOOD BECUASE HE FOUGHT YOUNG BUMS AND OLD WASHED- UP HAS BEENS THIS FIGHT IS A DAMN SHAME IF JOE WAS IN HIS PRIME ROCKY WOULD HAVE GOT HIS ASS KICKED EVEN SCHMELING WOULD HAVE KICKED HIS WACK ASS AND AS FAR AS THAT COMPUTER FIGHT GOES ALI WOULD HAVE KICKED HIS ASS HOW DOES A COMPUTER KNOW ITS TAKING GUESSES JUST LIKE YOU AND ME!
Completely agree with you, even tho Joe needed to fight for the money and it wasn't rockys fault the only competition was old legends and the worst bums in heavyweight history, he never ducked anyone (cept liston on the horizon). And rocky even sed himself if the fight had happened ten years ago Louis would have won.
@jijforlife Foreman, Ali, Dempsey, Louis, & Marciano were my favorites. Those so-called "old men" were seasoned, crafty & slick boxing stylists who could all hit!Any 1 of them would've given any of the above listed trouble. And they're the only types who could give RM trouble,as they were superior boxers over him. However, w/a punch that measured 1000ft lbs of touque, RM could've outslugged anyone. Anyone walking into that punch gets ko'ed...period! Louis, after tasting RM's power in the 1st rd,
@jijforlife (cont.) retreated for the 1st time in his life! I enjoy a good debate, but there isn't much that separates these greats & I would argue that the bums that GF faced were bigger bums than RM fought, as I stated regarding their losing records. And I always question a utubers fight knowledge anytime I see someone say that RM ducked Liston. When RM retired, Liston only had 12 fights, and was an unknown who wasnt yet even a prelim fighter. Rocky Marciano ducked nobody!
@strictlycomments Foreman fought far superior oppenents then t he Rock. There you go saying stupid crap again. Don't you ever get tired of posting dumb shit. Norton,Frazier,Ali, blow anyone the Rock ever fought competely under the table..Rock fought mostly 2nd and 3rd tier fighters until 37 th fight when he fought a used up old Louis.Took Rock 37 fights to even fight an ex champ.
@RayPFP Far superior opponents than the RM? As a 30 yr old, u weren't even born when GF fought Ali, but it's clear that he made a "great" impression on u,& the rest of the ignorantly impressionable utubers in ur age group. Of the 31 fights GF had before Frazier, half of them had losing records! Joe Goodwin, GF's 27th opponent;had 1 win& 14 losses! His 28th,Clarence Boone; had 3 wins & 28 losses! In his 31st pro fight, THE FIGHT B4 Frazier, GF fought Terry Sorrell. Sorrell had 4 wins & 16 losses!
@RayPFP (cont)Norton was a body who didn't become a somebody until he beat an under-trained Ali. He fought bigger tomato cans than GF on his way to his win over Ali, got ko'ed by every big puncher he faced and his ONLY notable wins were against an Ali who took him lightly & duidn't train, a powder puncher named jimmy Young, and Quarry;who took that fight on an 11 day notice. The Frazier GF fought wasnt the JF Ali fought in 71'. He was shopworn & looked terrible against nobodies Daniels& Stander.
@RayPFP (cont.correction;Norton was a NObody!)JF struugled w/ rugged clubfighter Stander, & only stopped him on cuts!The JF who fought GF,was blubbery in appearance & had slipped considerably since his war w/Ali. Marciano would've clobbered that version of JF! Glad u mentioned that GF fought Ali, bcz he was easily& soundly beaten by an over-the-hill Ali! Kid, you really DON'T know wut ur talkin' about. Ur lack of knowledge makes u impressed by GF's larger than life personality,but his record?
@strictlycomments Marciano clobbers everybody in your book.The truth is the complete opposite of what you;re posting. Frazier a gold medal winner along with Foreman and Ali.T hey were except ional fighters at an early age. Look at ROck s record as an amatuer. Never won gold and lost to Coley Wallace and never avenged loss. The Frazier t hat fought Foreman was still unbeaten. What unbeaten great did the Rock ever face? What top tier puncher did he face. Wishful thinking Strickly..
@RayPFP@jijforlife (cont.) I believe RM could slug w/any i and come out on top bcz of his superior 1 punch power. Ali would've given him fits due to his style,IMO. Young GF beat a worn out, blubbery JF & a not so great Norton. U look @ him larger than life bcz of wut he accomplished 2nd time around, but he wasn't great during his first run. Old George was much more relaxed mentally & physically. He didn't waste punches and he was mentally tougher. I think old George beats young George any day!
@strictlycomments You make it seem that Marciano is going to waltz on in there and beat prime Young. Marciano would have little to chance against Young or Foreman. So what if Foreaman lost to Young. Young was a crafty boxer. Something Rock never faced it their prime. If fighter is good enough to beat Foreman, trust me that fighter would dispatch the slow small swarmer Marciano. Young would smother Marciano and coast to ud in not late ko. Young fought far superior oppisition compared to rock.
True but even then people were calling him the next Joe Louis because of his jab and power. Maybe ur right, but its hard not to question a mans motives wen he retires as champ at 33 and defends the title onli 6 times before retiring, and btw patterson won that title the year afta marciano retired, wat bout him. but it truely is a joke to compare GF era with RM, foreman fought ali,prime frazier,prime norton,evander holyfield jimmy young and lyle.
@jijforlife That's true!Everyone thought GF was indestructable bcz of how he easily handled JF, but the subsequent fights w/Ali, Lyle,& Young revealed that he wasnt, he just had the style to beat a shop-worn, diminsished JF. GF was just a big strong guy who had fought inferior, outmatched tomato cans on his way to JF.Really, he only looked invincible against JF, bcz that version of JF was made to order for him,& the best of JF clearly was left in Madison Sq. Garden in his fight on 3/8/71,w/Ali.
and this is more of a question than an accusation. but if marciano never ducked anyone and was always facing the top contenders why did it take him 42 straight wins (38 by knockout) to gain a title shot, Spinks got one after 7 fights. I know they wer completely incomparable eras but no heavyweight that wins that many and that many convinsingly by knockout doesn't get a title shot earlier except he either chose or was forced to fight bums.
@jijforlife (cont) Foreman fought who u said he fought, but he LOST to Ali, didn't fight "prime" Frazier, & Norton; at the time he fought GF, was only a nobody who feasted on bums,himself, until he beat an unconditioned, out-of-prime Ali.He was an impressive phys. specimin, but not an impressive fighter! THAT'S REALITY! Certainly the GF who won the title on his 2nd run, @45yrs., was more impressive than young GF. Weill was a shrewd manager, keeping his status secret while he who moved Rm slowly
@strictlycomments Foreman was better than Marciano in many ways. Foreman was onc e the young lion beating all the o ther young lions. Afterwards becoming the old lion beating the young lions. Marciano was always the young lion beating the old lions. Never the old lion beating the young lions. Like Ali and Foreman. Ali , Frazier,Lyle,Quarry etc, all lost because they had each other to fight. All men in primes many unbeaten. With the Rock there were only old lions around. No unbeatens nowhere.
@RayPFP@jijforlife I agree that the 60's & 70's was the greatest era of boxing,but it was for 1 reason only...MUHAMMED ALI!He's the one who made the game wut it was! He was the common denominator who fought all the fighters u mention, but they all didn't fight each other! Norton & GF(on his 1st run) didn't beat alot of good fighters!They were footnotes to ALI! GF's claim to fame was that he had the STYLE to destroy a wornout JF & Norton, Norton's claim was an awkward style to beat untrained Ali
@RayPFP @ jijforlife Young utubers look back at both of GF's title wins & u rate him on both. It is amazing that he did wut he did @age 45, but I'm telling u, he was dismissed as a "flash in the pan" when he retired after his loss to Young. I've posted it a million times, but please read; The Art of the Big Punch:No Doubting Marciano", and "Almost the man: But Big George Is Not A Top 5 Heavyweight", both by Mike Casey. Speculation is fun, but there's no way 2 know who'd really win. I believe
@strictlycomments You can't compare the 50's to the 70's. 70's contained some of the youngest toughest fighters of any era. You put the slow crusier Marciano in the 70's his new name would be pebbles. He would'nt make it to the championship. Some young hungry heavy wanting a name would dispatch him in a few rounds. Forget about Ali,Foreman,Frazier,Norton. Someone like Quarry or Lyle , shavers,Young etc, would get to him before they do. Rock would have to fight at Lt heavy.
@RayPFP Ur beginning 2 bore me, kid! Marciano would walk right thru powder puncher Young. Moore, Walcott, Charles,& even aging Louis were far superior to him in style, craft, speed & power! RM walked thru them & he would fly thru Young! Anyone weighing over 175 in the 70's was a HVYWT, just as they were in the 50's! U have no credibility! Shavers, GF, Norton, & Lyle, beat mostly bums! When they they faced each, they only beat other bum beaters! Ali is the only 1 who beat all of the above!
@strictlycomments I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. He didn't walk t hrough 177 pound Lowry who was a defensive fighter also. Lowry came from the old Jack Johnson school of defense. Marciano couldn;t put a dent in him and the Rock admitted it..So to say a defensive fighter like Young isnt going to have a chance sounds like s suckers bet.Marciano had his hands full with old ex welter s and middles.
@RayPFP Kid, if you'd ever been in the ring, you'd know that if the goal of ur opponent is only to getting ko'ed, you won't ko him! Lowry had NO chance and never mixed it up w/Marciano. I'm sure young could do the same, he was skilled, but if ur goal is to simply avoid being ko'ed, and u have no intention of winning, you'll likely survive the ko, but u won't win, and you'll put up NO fight! That's exactly how Lowry fought RM, read about it!
@RayPFP Ali is the one who made the 70's great, all the others you mentioned were good fighters for their era, but they weren't great fighters! Foreman went on to greatness by accomplishing a successful, 2nd career where he regained the title. The so-called "old men" could've beaten everyone on ur list except Ali. Quarry, at his best(did beat Shavers & Lyle)would've beaten Norton & possibly GF.He was a good fighter under 200lbs! Marciano was a better fighter than the hvys you listed...easily!
@strictlycomments You seem to be making these assumptions on Marciano 's unbeaten record like most of his fans do. Young fought more young prime unbeaten fighters than ROck would ever dream or his fans could imagine him fighting. Take prime 6'2 229 1982 Page,18-0. He would smoke slow ass Marciano. Young fought unbeaten Tony Tubbs unbeaten as well as 6'5 Toney Tucker whom was 24-0.Young fought an unbeaten Cooney. He fought 1977 Norton, Foreman,Earnie Shavers, Ron Lyle,Michael Dokes.
@RayPFP Ur confusing me w/some 1 else, I never said a thing about RM's record! U 4got to mention that Young LOST to every 1 of these young upstarts! Doesnt do a thing 2 bolster ur claim that Young could've beaten Marciano! U also 4got to mention that Young, only 1 yr after fighting GF, lost to 11-0 Ossie Ocasio! Foreman's record at the time he fought Young was 45-1, yet he loses to guy that gets beat-only 1 yr later-by a guy who only had 11 fights! It reinforces that GF all fought tomato cans!
@strictlycomments Sure marciano was an unbeaten champ. But also was one of the most beatable champions ever. He was protected and fed over t he hill great s as well as a host of tomato cans his whole career. He was never tested against a young prime top tier puncher. So its hard to predict what he would do against a young prime 200 + top tier puncher. Rock is completely untested. Walcott and Louis isn[t a test.They were done long befor e Marciano dispatched them.
@RayPFP Yeah Marciano beat Louis, sure did. He beat Walcott , after coming from behind. Moore dropped him.Moore dropping Marciano is the equivilent of Tommy Hearns knocking down Tyson.And yes he beat a Charles who was on the way down , not on the way up.Average age of these guys was 37.,. Leaves a bit to be desired I suppose, doesn't it Strictly?
@RayPFP Walcott was actually one of the craftiest hvywts ever! He was far more skilled than RM, but RM still was resourceful(unlike young GF against Ali & Young!)enough to beat him! U think Moore dropping RM is equivalent to Hearns knocking down Tyson?! Shows once again u know very little! Moore scored more ko's than any other fighter! Tyson had 70lbs on Hearns, Moore weighed 188 against Marciano, which is was RM's weight that night;they weighed the same! U readin' boxing comic books, or what?!
@RayPFP Also, Unlike RM, Louis was hurt by, behind & trailing 174lbs Billy Conn! Does that diminish JL?Walcott had the best fight/performance of his career w/RM! He peaked late & was actually 8 yrs younger than GF when GF beat Moorer! Unbeknownst to u, fighters peak @different ages. Mdl champ Sergio Martinez, @ 36yoa, is now peaking when most middles R retired! Louis wasn't done!He was 66-2,was on a 8 fight win streak w/3 ko's! In contrast, GF lost 2 fights out of his 8 fights b4 facing Moorer!
@strictlycomments Were should i start? Ok i will make a microwave comment for you. Louis was 37 years old. Fighinging 8 fights in 8 months. Thats a torrent pace for any fighter.Certainly for a fighter of Louis' age. What fighter do you know of t hat fights 8 fights in 8 months? Only the great Louis far past his prime.That is what soften up Louis for the old man beater Marciano.I'll be back to straighten your delusional ass out in a bit.
@RayPFP HA! Don't be mad just cause he's Italian and not black. If he didn't think he was up to fight the undefeated Rocky, then why the hell will he be willing to fight him? Shut up with the lame excuses. Rocky owned his ass.
@strictlycomments Rhode Island, on October 10, 1949, who know that he lost his first fight-No. 21-to me, Tiger Ted Lowry, the New England Light Heavyweight Champ.
@strictlycomments The decision was booed, and I received a lot of pats on the back and was told by many: You were robbed! Others said, You won that fight, Ted. Some people say that fight was fixed. I have never said anything concerning this fight, but I will tell you, that if the fight was fixed, it was to make sure the Rock won no matter what.
@RayPFP Why did you remove ur comment, that said these were Lowry's words, not your's? Is it bcz no one agrees with Lowry's version of the events? Funny how 60 yrs later(2007) Lowry remembers having RM hurt on the ropes, but no one else does. I'm from the Boston area & a friend's uncle actually saw that fight & says no one booed, RM was never in touble, & Lowry covered up & stayed away the whole fight! In Everett M. Skehan's book; "Rocky Marciano", which was published in 1977,only 8 yrs after
@strictlycomments He was the only fighter to twice last the ten-round distance with undefeated heavyweight champion Rocky Marciano. Local newspapers had Lowry winning the fight 6 rounds to four rounds. Lowry later stated he felt he lost because Marciano's manager, Al Weill, was well connected. Conceded he lost to Marciano in the rematch. The two later became friends
@strictlycomments You fail to "realize" that Rock himself admitted he couldn't knock Lowry out and that Lowry's style gave him problems. He said that he could fight Lowry 100 times and 100 t imes fight goes to cards.Regardless of how much you disagree , it's documented that many of these events that Lowry claims happened.
@RayPFP (cont) after their 1st fight,Silverman was driving back to Boston that nite with trainer,Al Lacey, & said;"You know that dago looks like another Johnny Risko,he's a tough son-of-a-bitch!He's gonna beat alot of good fighters. The kid gave Lowry a bad body beating". After retiring,RM assessed his career and said of the Lowry fight;"I think Lowry would've gone the distance if we had fought a 100 times, I could never get used to his style of fighting". He didn't say;"Lowry gave him trouble".
@strictlycomments Let me guess , your favorite fighters are 1.Marciano. 2. Mickey Ward. 3.Rocky Graziano. You don't give a damn if Marciano fought Mr. Rogers or Pee Wee Herman. As long as he stayed unbeaten he
's the best. No matter how many tomato cans he beat.
@RayPFP Dude, I STILL DISAGREE! And I've got news for you,I could post a blog tonite about the events of that fight,and it would "be documented all over the internet"! I've actually seen internet posts of my information referred to in subsequent boxing articles!It means shit!None of these so-called "credible sources" that you claim, can be identified by name, or as having actually been present at that fight! I know, I've already researched it... so save it! I'll go w/Skehan/Silverman's version!
@strictlycomments Not me. I believe Lowry. I believe his account. He is far more credible then your racist uncles friends from Boston.There is no way a black fighter like Lowry was getting the nod. He was doomed from t he beginning because the judge had the same mentality as you do. The Rock at 21--0 couldn't put a dent in a guy weighing in at 177. How in the hell is he going to do any thing with Ali, Foreman,Liston,Page etc?
@RayPFP (cont.) They were alive and present at the fight. The "internet documents" that u refer to were likely generated over and over again by the account from Lowry's book of 2007. None of the accounts can actually be traced to anyone. Lowry was actually a good defensive fighter who fought some greats & went the distance. Archie moore, Lee Savold, & Lee Oma were several of them. Still,he was strictly a defensive fighter&did not hurt or even come close to defeating even a green Rocky Marciano.
@strictlycomments I got news for you. It's not just Lowry stating these evens. It must be some kind of huge conspiracy because its everywhere on the internet. From many credible sources. There are numerous post by eyewitness' that where at the fight. Members of t he press etc. All indications point to Lowry telling the truth. I feel the press is more credible than your friends uncle.
@RayPFP (cont) after RM's death, described the fight thusly; " Lowry was a defensive fighter; he didn't throw many hard punches, but seldom took any. Rocky kept battering Lowry to the body, trying to bring his defenses down, but he knew how to take the punches and held on for the ten-round distance". U cite a quote from Lowry, which was written about him and published in 2007, some 30 yrs after Skehan's book. I'm inclined to believe Skehan's version, which was written in timeline much closer to
@RayPFP (cont) the actual events. Many people were interviewed by Skehan for the book, and for this fight; including the actual promoter of the fight, Sam Silverman. These people were still alive at Skehan's writing(unlike the 2007 Lowry book), and none of them recounted the fight as was depicted in Lowry's 2007 book. Nowhere in Skehan's book does it say that Lowry even came close to winning, or giving RM any trouble.Skehan's version basically mirrors my friend's uncle's account of the fight.
@strictlycomments No ma tter how used up Louis or how old Walcott was in your book they were at their best. I got you. Moore was at his best at 40 also. So is it by coincidence that all t hese guys at 40 or close to it are in primes. And that t he only reason they retired was because Marciano finished them,not that the fact t hey were in retirement age. Because mr Stricklycomments says so. So how come when Abe Simon knocked out Walcott years before Marciano ,Walcott kept fighting on?
@RayPFP Of course you believe Lowry, U R one of the wet behind the ears,25-30 yr old "revisionists" that Mike Casey refers to in his article about Foreman! And you've also proven urself 2 be a PUNK! Don't throw the cheap racist card at me, u little twerp! The fact is, u can't produce shit, not one legitimate article from anyone who was there. I wouldn't have mentioned the uncle if it wasn't consistant w/Skehan & Silverman, who was actually there! U have nothing legit & U know it! You choose to
@strictlycomments You have proven yourself to be an old Boston senial fart.I've given you credible sources. Seems you haven't been reading my post or you have been selectively reading them. All the Providence local newspapers had Lowry winning 6-4 you stupid jerk. That's more credible than some fking Skehan & Rossman or Silverman or any other bogus name you want to bring up..
@RayPFP Cont. believe Lowry, at almost 90 yrs of age, some 60 yrs after the fight, even tho there were credible people at the fight, who gave a totally different version around that time! You can't substantiate anything, so u resort to the cheap tactic of painting someone as a "racist"! Ur a punk who has NO experience&no credibility! I've been in the boxing ring many times! You've watched utube vids & read articles! There is reality&then there's a perception of reality,u only have a perception!
@RayPFP In all honesty, kid, I've posted more than enough info, scientific & otherwise; a ballistic pendulum test on RM & Frank Bruno - who beat GF for 1 punch hitting power - and how to retrieve it, statements from fighters who actually fought GF & Marciano, statements from historians & trainers & many others. Vids showing RM ko'ing people w/1 shot, as opposed to GF w/multiple shots & knockdowns& opponents still beating the 10 count. Unfortunately u resorted to bringing up race, which is an
@strictlycomments Marciano couldn't ko a tomato can with a 11-14 record . Applegate was in his late 20's and Rock couldn't put a dent in him. Marciano was 34-0. Just 2 fights later Marciano ko'ed a used up shop worn Louis.That shows you just how much Louis had declined. Louis lost all the power in his right hand and was flat broke and actually trained in his backyard without a trainer for Marciano and the 8 fights preceding.For you to say Joe was at his best is just plain ignorant. Dumbass...
@strictlycomments I post here because I feel like it. If you don't like fuck off you old fking fart. Marciano got gift decisions over tomato cans. He was good but not the way you make it seem. He fought nobodys his entire career and ret ired after being dropped by a 42 year old former welter. I suggest you read Nat Fleischer's column on the much overrated Marciano..
@strictlycomments Big George would walk through Marciano and get ko in 1. Marciano had trouble with old man Walcotts power. Walcott punches were lifting Marciano off the canvas. Marciano was trailing the old man until Joe got tired.. Amazing it took 13 for him to tire ou t so the slow inaccurate Marciano could land on him.Charles was a better middle/Ltheavy. Most of all Marciano wins were against losing a lot older former welter/middle and Lt heavys or just plain tomato cans.
@RayPFP Cont. indication that u lost an argument. I come on here for fun, speculation&entertainment, but when a punk starts w/ insults, vulgarities, or race baiting, that's when I know that they know nothing! I've known people who knew RM & know GF, Ali&Tyson. I sparred world class pros,in the 70's/80's, met & had fight discussions w/Hagler& Patterson(R they bogus names too?). I won a hvywt GG title in 1980 & scored 27ko's over bigger hvywts than me. Ur a analyst wannabe, & that's about it!
@strictlycomments You're just an internet fraud. I bet you can't bust a grape. You pretend to be some fighter but offer little to no proof. Anyone can say anything. You are the internet wannabe.You have no identity.You're a hypercrite as well as a liar. You have zero credibility. You claim Moore Louis as well as Walcott were at their best in old age. You're building up Maricano's opponents to something they weren't to make Marciano look better than he actually was.
@strictlycomments You scream and shout as if Marciano was some saint. He was a d irty fighter that threw lots of elbows.He had short stubby arms and was very inaccurate. His manager made sure he fought no big punchers his entire career. Only old punchers like Louis. Marciano padded his record with a bunch of st iffs until 37 th fight when his manager took chance with a shot Louis.Marciano even was killed with Philly Mob Boss' nephew. So he had ties to the mob moron..
@RayPFP U R a warped, twisted, frustrated nobody of a little shit! Go back & read wut u just wrote, u sick little shit! It was that important 4 u to come back here w/more of ur BS! Come up w/ur own material, instead of stealing lines that I have used to describe you! If I was a liar, I would've offered huge exaggerations, instead describing a humble amateur boxing record, you dumb, f*cking little snot! Any 1 reading my posts can see that my intellect by far exceeds ur's, u dumbass!
@strictlycomments My post are BS? And yours are accurate? Fucking dumb cunt, and a lying one at that.You're the one that started throwing insults first. You can't seem to list any prime greats the Rock beat. You can't list any top tier puncher over 200 the Rock beat. You build up old farts, and say they were at their best when they faced the Rock. You scream and shout Louis was in prime when he faced Rock. You have Zero credibility. Keep posting ,keep displaying your stupidity.
@RayPFP I "scream and shout"? Did you actually hear me through cyberspace, U little deranged twerp?! U R a sick little puppy; stalking Marciano vids on utube to denigrade a great deceased champion! Go back & read your pathetic rantings, u ego- challenged little twit! U exhibit borderline-intellectual functioning, & act more like a sick, demented sociopath!!!! I've spoon-fed u scientific evidence of punching power, among other things, U chicken-shit! Now do us all a favor and get some meds!
@strictlycomments I love watching old fighters and thanks to YOUTUBE I've been able to see their greatness. But this RayPFP guy is really getting on my nerves. If you notice this guy is in every Marciano video talking trash about him. Every single one of them. This dude really needs some lithium.
@bismarck1234561 I agree, he's a major league A-hole! It's one thing to speculate, in fun, or for purposes of entertainment(like I do), even subjectively; about who would win, etc., etc., but this guy is obsessed with trashing Marciano all over youtube! I'm convinced he's never accomplished a thing in his life, no one probably gives him the time of day in person, and he feels important being able to throw his 2 cents into cyberspace...even if nobody really does give a shit what he thinks!
@RayPFP One more thing, u little pussy, you'd run liken hell if you ever laid eyes on me! This "old fart" is in 100 times the phys. shape that you'll ever live to be! U R a f*cking coward, who hides in cyberspace spewing ur f^cking bullshit when you've never stepped foot in a ring! How do I know? Bcz no one whose ever fought, would come up w/some of the punk-ass, disrespectful shit that you have! You've never accomplished a thing in ur life! You trod the paths of ignorance well, u dipshit!
Marciano’s record was 49-0, 43 KOs. But that record is suspect as well, this after Marty Weill, his manager of record, and the son of Marciano’s promoter Al Weill, he dropped this bombshell on an edition of “Ring Talk Worldwide” in the 1980s when he admitted that, “Rocky fought his brother three or four times around Massacheusetts.”
@RayPFP RM oulda beaten any slugger! Walcott, Charles, & Moore could've beaten any 1 GF beat(except Ali). If GF was knocked down & soundly beaten by powder punching young, he would've suffered the same fate at the hands of Charles&Walcott & probably Moore. All were far better boxers, & harder hitters than Young! And "Big George" fought tomato cans throughout BOTH of his careers, at all stages! No Champ ever fought more bumfighters/tomato cans than he did!
@strictlycomments Young would have a much easier time going unbeaten in Rocks era vs Rock in Youngs era.Nothing but old farts and tomato cans in Rocks era. WW2 along with Korean war took its toll on 50's crop of heavies.There were very few good fighers around.The ones that were around were over thehil.
@RayPFP Young wouldn't have gone unbeaten in any era! He wasn't a great fighter, but he did beat GF, proving that GF wasn't a great fighter either! Especially when far less than great fighters, were able to easily beat Young!1973 GF was a flash in the pan who knocked over a worn out Frazier. He stopped a lucky bum beater(Norton), who luckily got a fight w/Ali, and then beat an untrained Ali, after took him lightly! The fights b4 Frazier were with all tomato cans! RM woulda wrecked that GF!!!
Old man Walcott busted Marciano up bad. Walcotts punches were lifiting the Rock off the canvas. Walcott dropped the Rock at 55 seconds of 1st. Foreman was an expert at early ko's . Rock had a habit of starting slow and walking into punches early. I doesn't survive early knockdown against Foreman .
@RayPFP There you are, RayPFP, I'm still waiting to hear what your boxing credentials are, other than watching the fights on youtube? Rocky didn't walk into Walcott's left hook, Walcott stepped in w/it. "old man Walcott" was in his prime against RM, fighting his best fight ever! He was 8 yrs younger than Big George was when he ko'ed Moorer. Jimmy Young was a clever boxer, but not anywhere near as crafty as Walcott! oe hit much harder! Joe would've tied a young GF in knots & ko'ed him!
Foreman vs Marciano. Fight would last as long as it took Foreman to land 1&2. Foreman Jab ko's Marciano. A glancing blow by Foreman drops Marciano. Foreman uppercut would cream Marciano inside 1.Marciano would look like a bouncing ball like Frazier. Foreman would walk through Marciano showing no respect. Marciano would be giving up a lot in reach and power as well as weight height. Mismatch. Marciano has better chance at lasting longer with Ali but not much more. Ali would butcher the Rock.
But damn! This was a hell of a knockout victory for Marciano. I wonder why ESPN's 50 greatest boxer's has Louis #4, with Marciano relatively well-behind him at #14, even though he won. Sure other fights come into play, but that's too large of a gap, in my opinion.
@ChampanzeeKO There have always been big fighters. Louis beat; Abe Simon(255),Buddy Baer(250),Carnera(260), and Galento(233). Dempsey beat;Drake(257), Williard(245), Morris(220),& Firpo(216). The article u read makes sense to the bigger=better thinker, but doesn't consider "exceptions to the rule". In the NBA, there were men like;5'9" Nat Robinson, 5'7" "Spud" Webb(slam dunk winner), and 5'3" Muggsy" Bogues. In baseball there was 5'11, 155lbs "Oil Can" Boyd, & 5'11" 170 Pedro Martinez; 2 ML...
@ChampanzeeKO 2 ML pitchers capable of hurling a fastball, rivaling the speed of fastballers;6'5", 225lbsSchilling& 6'4",235lbs Clemmons.The answer? Superior athleticism!Dempsey,Louis,& Marciano were Hvywt boxing's exception to the rule. They all packed a punch big enough to ko anyone,& it's clear that RM had exceptional strength, as he easily bulls 6'2", 214lbsLouis all over the ring here. JL's speed&timing may have been diminished by age, but certainly his size & physical strength were not.
I had no idea! I am a new fan to boxing and was ignorant to these facts. But then again, I am American enough to know the big names and not the small ones. Were those big fighters that Marciano fought relatively unknown and labeled Tomato Cans? George Foreman was no Tomato Can, that's for sure. Who knows who would have won, but it's fun wondering regardless.
@ChampanzeeKO It is fun! It's only annoying when youtube wannabes comeback w/profanities & classless replys.GF was no tomato can, but definitely fought more of them than RM. In his 1st 32 fights, GF fought 17 men w/losing records, as opposed to RM's 8 men w/losing records(out of 1st 32). GF was exposed as a flash in the pan by Ali, Lyle, and then Jimmy Young. His comeback, 10 yrs later vindicated him, as he was a much better all-around fighter. Youtubers have an unwarranted "larger than life"
@ChampanzeeKO (cont) opinion of George, based on both facets of his career(young GF & old GF). Old GF was a better fighter. Young George, after his 1st run and subsequent losses, as mentioned earlier, was indeed dismissed as a flash in the pan, who could've never fought w/RM! After watching his loss to powder punching Jimmy Young, is there really any question that he would've lost to superior, harder hitting boxers like Charles & Walcott? He was not nearly as resourceful as Marciano...
just to tell you george foremans statistics before the Ali fight, 40 wins no losses 37 wins by knockout. Was young george foreman unbeatable? no a smart and versatile fighter like Ali could beat him. Was he a wrecking ball and one of the greatest heavyweights of all time? yes, he made ken norton and frazier look like rag dolls and frazier had a similar style to marciano, If moore can drop marciano, foreman would have destroyed him.
@jijforlife In his 1st 32 fights against the tomato cans he fought prior to Frazier,14 of of them had LOSING records. Only 4 w/losing records for RM(in 1st 32 fights). GF scored 7 1st rd ko's, RM scored 10. He was easily beaten by an over the hill Ali, looked horrible against Lyle, & beaten by powder puncher Jimmy Young. Ali revealed him to be an unresourceful flash in the pan(GF held title less than 2 mos).He was not considered great,dismissed as a flash,& no one thought he could've beaten RM!
@jijforlife Norton fought bigger stiffs on the way to his Ali win, than Foreman & was a nobody until he beat an out of shape Ali. His only significant wins were over Ali, Jimmy young(dec.), and Quarry; who took the fight on 11 days notice. He got ko'ed against every puncher he got in with.Only similarity between F and RM was that they were both swarmers.F led w/his chin and fought squarded up due to being blind in left eye. RM Bladed his body, making a smaller target, leaned back out of range
@jijforlife (cont) out of range w/his weight on his back leg. And he had a far better chin than Frazier. Rocky was just as strong as GF(see how easily he bulls 6'2", 214lbs Louis here) and was a harder 1 punch hitter. Young George was a headcase who could've never handled RM. If a powder punching Jimmy Young could drop Foreman, Marciano would've destroyed HIM! Watch the overhand right Lyle sends puts GF on queer street with. Rocky would've stopped him!!!
Louis has been knocked down the second most time of any heavyweight ever, so its not much of an achievement to bully a 38 year old shaky chinned boxer. George wasn't prime for young, but you have no argument when it comes to hardest hitter and most powerful puncher, foreman is right up there when it comes to that with Louis who was named all time greatest puncher, Foreman was ranked 9th and marciano 14th. Plus foreman was knocked out bigger people in the hardest ever heavyweight era.
@ChampanzeeKO (cont) Youtubers think Foreman was invincible, but clearly he was not! If Jimmy Young could beat him soundly, certainly master boxers, like Charles and Walcott, and even aging Joe Louis, would have! All three had far superior punching power(over Jimmy Young), and were better boxers. People who thought GF was indestuctable after Frazier, learned otherwise after Ali, Lyle, and then Young. He was not considered a great fighter after retiring, after his first title reign.
@ChampanzeeKO (cnt.) Back then(after losing and retiring), he was just considered a big strong guy who fought a bunch of tomato cans, and then had Joe Frazier's number. And everyone realized after GF's subsequent losses, that it wasn't the same Frazier who fought Ali on 03/08/71. In GF's 2 title defenses, he beat up a mismatched Jose Roman & Ken Norton. People 4get that even Norton, at the time, was a nobody, who became a somebody only becuz he came out of nowhere to beat an under-trained Ali.
@ChampanzeeKO Google and Read "The Art Of The Big Punch:No Doubting Marciano", by Mike Casey. It addresses the size issue. There's another good article by Casey, entitled; "Almost The Man:But Big George Is Not A Top 5 Heavyweight". This one's a good read too!
Shall I tell you y marciano is no where near the standard of joe louis, because firstly in this fight marciano was 28 or 29, joe louis was 38 and only fighting for the money after comi
he was actually 37 when he fought and rockey was 27 btwwwww and yes joe louis got his ass handed to him
321520934 1 week ago
Old Joe Louis x Young Marciano.
luizespectro11 1 week ago
Name of song?
daniyar331313 2 weeks ago
WASNT JOE LOUIS LIKE 500yrs old this fight??? Hahahaha MARCIANO WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST BRAWLERS EVER!!! BUT AS FAR AS BOXING & THE SWEET SCIENCE, NOT SO!!! & FUCK ALI ILL TAKE LARRY HOLMES OVER MARCIANO!!! HAHAHAHAHA
TheFUTUREZHizTORY 1 month ago
think was smoother but bomber was like a hawk stalking n a shure kill followed
andyaj525 1 month ago
joe luis the best boxer since gloves were used for something other than keeping hands warm
andyaj525 2 months ago
@andyaj525 Close, i think Robinson was a bit better !
5Cdarkwing 1 month ago
liston was a bully who ali syked out by pretending 2 be crazy
andyaj525 2 months ago
liston was accused off cheating after his fight with ali useing a blinding solution on his gloves thats why ali wanted 2 quit cause he could not see but ali did want 2 quit againt joe frazier as much as frazier wanted 2 quit and thats not at all it was a life and death decision made by his corner
andyaj525 2 months ago
To Shikat2371: Liston was a shuffling, clumsy bear, Ali outdanced him and Liston wasn't used to it so quit the fight. Ali was ready to quit before Liston. Ali was kept in the ring by his corner giving him confidence he could do it. These big guys play at tiring the opponent out first, they hug, squeeze, clinch and hold for the first 8 rounds, with Ali being the worst of these offenders, eventually your guard drops and you get Ko.d. Boxers hate grapplers and weavers and bobbers about.
ToTheBallCharles2 2 months ago
Ref: Maciano vs Ali. [S121202]
You have an interesting point, but taking everything into account your wrong. Ali was all for quitting against Liston, a few times Ali showed a reluctance against grappling fighters, the sort who just kept coming forward, Frasier for instance and Ali was confused and scared, Long range he could not be beaten but first he had to tire you out over 8-10 rounds, Marciano had the PUNCH, wham and your counted out. So we are betting Marciano hitting him and crowding him
ToTheBallCharles2 2 months ago
@ToTheBallCharles2 Frankly, I don't quite get it. How can it be so when Ali won the heavyweight crown from Liston during their first fight?? Now granted, Ali didn't have a powerful punch like Liston or Marciano had, but he had speed and that's what helped him escape Sonny Liston's haymakers and win the heavyweight title.
Of the Ali-Frazier matches, I frankly didn't see any indication that Ali was reluctant to take on Frazier.
shikat2371 2 months ago
There are fighters like Johnson, Dempsey and Marciano. Then boxers like Louis, Walcot and Charles. Then sportsmen like Schmeling and Tunney, then clowns like Maxie Rosenbloom, then professionals like Max Baer, and journeymen boxers like Braddock, then gifted amateurs, then hobbyists. To rate these in any sort of order is impossible so you can vote for popularity, by gate tickets sold, or KO. record. You then have Sam Langford and Harry Greb no one would fight these two. Marciano Wins. RIP Pal.
ToTheBallCharles2 2 months ago
Joe Louis was 37 and past his prime when he fought Marciano in 1951. Had they fought 10 years earlier, then the outcome might have been different and Joe Louis may have had the upper hand.
37 years is usually considered retirement age for boxers.
Muhammad Ali announced his retirement at 37 then decided to make a comeback a short time later, only to lose the next two bouts with Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick before deciding to retire for good. The guy was already past his prime.
harley55100 2 months ago
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harley55100 2 months ago
Joe Louis was a much better boxer and fighter than Rocky, the snag is Louis couldn't cope with Rocky Marciano highly aggressive 'in your face style'. If Rocky and kept his distance Louis would have won, but how do you punch a man who's sitting under your chin. You can't forecast the outcome if Rocky fought Tyson or Dempsey. Ali Clay would have went down to him and would have soon got that "tell me what to do here look on his face". Rocky will always be in the top 10.
ToTheBallCharles 2 months ago
@ToTheBallCharles No way in hell Marciano would've made it in Ali's era...guys in marciano's era were modern lightheavy's
s121202 2 months ago
nobody can be the greatest forever.
ZigZagRunner 2 months ago
gayest video ever
smokinlefthook 3 months ago
DAM JOE LOUIS GOT THE KNOCK FUKE DOUT
masterdelrap 3 months ago
marciano tha best
xMSx2PaC 3 months ago
@xMSx2PaC
louis was grandfathier hir
louis in 1938 - 1948 chapion of the world (( 20 years no losses )) hes kill marciano in 30s or middel 40s
bethoveenzeyad 3 months ago
ROCKY MARCIANO...era un demoledor como Myke Tyson
chicolindo1717 4 months ago
why all fighters scared to face THE BAIT GCC CHAMP the black arab man
Ayman101amin 4 months ago
Mafia 1, Joe Louis 0., lol
jav4444 4 months ago
MUTE THIS SHIT!!
catoplayboy 4 months ago
AMIN THE BAIT SALEEM OMAN AND GCC CHAMPION GOT THE JO MOVES
Ayman101amin 4 months ago
Joe Louis was in his late 30's when he fought Rocky Marciano who was around 26 years old in his prime. Joe had the experience no doubt but, his body was getting old, worn out and loosing his hair. I like both fighters but, if there ages were the same Joe would have punched Rocky's light out.
troyshereforu 4 months ago
@troyshereforu I think it was more then age, rock'ys style was very peculiar and he huts joe with basically two types of punches the whole fight. hes just better
catoplayboy 4 months ago
@catoplayboy I do know onr thing when Joe Louis went down that second time I bet he was seeing STARS SHAPED LIKE ITALIAN PIZZA PIE ........ :D
troyshereforu 4 months ago
Anyone can see that Louis was over the hill. Compare how fast his punches were in one of the Baer fights with here where he looks like a journeyman heavyweight with long seconds between every punch. I agree with one comment here; the SFX and beat music are not necessary. Surely there should be a place where one gets away from those for a while. It's getting to the point where every video seems to have a hip hop soundtrack.
Richard40171 4 months ago
Marciano was a beast from hell... not really a boxer but a straight-up puncher. At 2'06", he starts to really lay into Louis... and those punches from 2'12" to 2'15" are just devastating. It brought a tear to my eye to see Louis knocked out of the ring that way... such a graceful champion and a beautiful human being, reduced to a pile of squirming flesh.
sc0ner 5 months ago
i heard from frank sinatra that joe louis was 137 years old when he fought
rocky marciano
antonceta1 5 months ago
I heard Eddie Murphy in the movie that Joe was 124 years old in this fight.
hahahahaaaa
However he is one of the best ever, NO DOUBT ABT IT
TSOKES 5 months ago
the music and the effects are not neccesary.
fedorgspsilvamma 5 months ago 20
some say joe was over the hill! yet he beat every single white or black men they , threw at HIM, actually that,s probably the best age in boxing, experience ,wise ,get real marciano was not the fastest but he was the most powerful PUNCHER!!
pleasuremaster291 5 months ago
video good , take out the music
jimmyharris2006 6 months ago
What is name of this song?
Gonzales2476 6 months ago
@Gonzales2476 The chemical brothers - Galvanize
GOLDshred 6 months ago
I actually think this song fits in well with the fight.
TheObltr8 6 months ago
my favorite fight of all time 2 fcking legends slugging, them men wer genius
thebigbaddawwwwwg 6 months ago
rocky marciano,the best!!!
CavaleiroTemplario1 6 months ago
this reminds me of Ali vs Homes... in his day he would of KO easy... just went to long and was out there prime. not takin anything away from rocky because he was an outstading boxing
yngwierhoads1989 6 months ago
Rocky,potenza devastante ed incassava anche le martellate.Uno dei piu grandi pesi massimi della storia del pugilato.
Fabrizioconsegnati 7 months ago
LOUIS vs RM. Joe WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME BUT CLOSE, only reflexes somewhat down! WBC NEVER KEPT ANY PROMISES only SHIFTED BLAME ON OTHERS!IN REALITY RM could have been CHAMP 1952-1957! On jan2 floyd stil beat old mongoos at 21!
GildyGury 7 months ago
LEGEND WINS!!1
evertonmadrugaful 7 months ago
50-0 could be repeated with so many bs organizations around! findagrave com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=fls&FLid=42055269 DA BEST INFO ON BOB BAKER, HIS 50TH OPPONENT! bookmark print it just like all true wikipedia-watch org! all 100% true good!
GildyGury 7 months ago
this dude rocky fought a old out of shape joe louis, not a big achievement at all...
rahnyc4 7 months ago
@rahnyc4 not an achievement ? thats still Joe Louis, even in this his last fight he could have beaten at least 95% of the people that called them selves pro boxers
brooklyn560 7 months ago
miss u rocky
MirTheTiger 8 months ago
Every person that knows anything about boxing knows that Rocky got a break by fighting a worn out Louis in this fight. A prime Louis would have been almost impossible to beat, unless you're Cassius Clay. But still Marciano would have put up a fight that Louis would have remembered for a long time. Of course Louis would have shown great respect to Marciano after the fight and vice versa; since they both were gentlemen on and of the ring.
bismarck1234561 8 months ago
Joe Louis Was 75 Years When He Faught Him.......I Dont Know How Old He Was But He Did Get His Ass Whipped...Lmaooo
BEALSVILLEGOON 8 months ago 5
Joe Louis was 37 years old here ( born May 1914 ).
TSOKES 5 months ago
@BEALSVILLEGOON Evry fuckign negro superemacist tells you Joe was old
but when Joe faught Schmeling(AND LOST) he was 8 yrs yougner and Schmelling was already old and over the hill and slow...
Pfft!
J0k3r4U 4 months ago
@BEALSVILLEGOON You must me outta you're god damn mind! Joe Lewis was greatest boxer that ever lived! He was better cassius clay, better then sugar ray, better who dat new boy? Mike Tyson, look like a bulldog, better then him too,he would whip Mike Tyson's ass he would whip all those asses.
PureAgainBOF3 3 months ago
@PureAgainBOF3 Critics consider Sugar Ray Robinson / Muhammad Ali to be the greatest boxers of all time. This is an objective conclucion, rather than your subjective one
snoopdogsballs 3 months ago
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@snoopdogsballs you fail to see the joke
PureAgainBOF3 3 months ago
@BEALSVILLEGOON louis was early 40s and he thought he had a chance vs the master marciano!! hahaha
DOmeWITHaSTICK 2 months ago
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@BEALSVILLEGOONI ran into Frank Sinatra one day and he told me that Joe Louis was 138 years old at the time!
Guywithair2 3 weeks ago
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BEALSVILLEGOON 8 months ago
boxing was ugly back then just how mma is ugly today. hasnt evolved yet
peterbreakyou 8 months ago
holy shit. i wish the world was still like this. it must've been great as a kid to idolize Rocky M...
blindfire7unloaded 8 months ago
No points here Marciano for beating up an old balding "brown bomber."
TheEnlightened77 8 months ago
CREDENTIALS DON’T LOOK GREAT TO ME!
Maybe I’m missing something here. But what could it be? Besides averaging nearly 35 years of age, Marciano’s heavyweight title foes had lost 71 fights in all. In closing, the career of Rocky Marciano is glorified in a manner I cannot understand. Statistics, the numbers, they don’t lie. That being said, even though he was 49-0 with 43 whacks, to use Marciano and great in the same sentence is in my opinion is erroneous.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP What is wrong with you, Kid?! Give yourself a break & give it up! Marciano "exhibitioned" his brother bcz his scheduled exhibition sparring partner; Peter Fuller(who actually even exhibitioned w/Ali in Boston, yrs later), had to pull out at the last minute & RM didnt want to disappoint fans. His brother then "exhihitioned" a couple more times, they weren't fights! U truly don't no wut ur talking about! I've made my points;GF fought more & bigger tomato cans! Now please, get some help!!!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
Been watching some Rocky Marciano fights looks to me like every punch that guy threw could knock his opponent out.
MrStefon1 9 months ago
@MrStefon1 Did you see the Applegate fight,Lowry fights,Lastarza 1,Charles1? Sure when a shot fighter was infront of the Rock he looked impressive, but when he faced younger fightgers he struggled more. Applegate,Lowry, Lastarza 1. Rock never ever faced a prime top tier puncher. If he did can you please list>?
RayPFP 9 months ago
@MrStefon1 Did you see the Applegate fight,Lowry fights,Lastarza 1,Charles1? Sure when a shot fighter was infront of the Rock he looked impressive, but when he faced younger fighters he struggled more. Applegate,Lowry, Lastarza 1. Rock never ever faced a prime top tier puncher. If he did can you please list>? Rock is the product of slick management. Never face a prime top tier puncher over 200 ,by all means if you want to stay unbeaten Rock. Does Foreman or Liston get shot? Hell no...
RayPFP 9 months ago
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strictlycomments 9 months ago
@RayPFP Back again so soon? Kid, UR an insufferable nobody! Why in the world would u come here again to make ur dumbass comments denigrating a great champ to his fans, when nobody cares wut u think, or asks 4 ur opinion?! Go to a Foreman vid & sing praises of GF & why u think he was great, instead of coming to a RM vid to dump on a venerated champ! What possesses a person to come here to campaign so hard against a legend?! U have significant insecurities&mental issues! Please go & seek help!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments You're suffering from a delusional disorder. I think you took one to many shots to the head.Marciano great champ? You must be refering to Ali or Louis. Certainly not Marciano. What prime top tier puncher did he beat>? What prime great did he beat? Marciano was the product of slick management . Marciano hit harder than Foreman? Listen to how stupid you sound. You old fart you';re the one that needs help.People are laughing at you, stupid.
RayPFP 9 months ago
L unico campione di boxe a ritirasi imbattuto.ORGOGLIO ITALIANO.....
fenomeno683 9 months ago
In 1949 in Providence, Mr. Lowry fought Marciano for the first time and lost by a decision, but according to newspaper accounts, many in the crowd felt Mr. Lowry should have won the bout. The two fought again in 1950, and Marciano dominated, but could not KO Mr. Lowry. Marciano went on to win all of his 49 fights, 43 by knockout.
RayPFP 9 months ago
I will always believe that his manager in New York-AI Weill of Madison Square Garden fame-had something to do with the fight's outcome. Al was not at the fight but, because the Rock was his fighter, the judges gave the last six rounds to Rocky to gain favor with Mr. Weill.
RayPFP 9 months ago
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RayPFP 9 months ago
I hit Rocky at will for the first four rounds. Although he was tough and in good condition, I had him hanging on the ropes by the fourth round. In my opinion, the bell saved him. In the fifth round, things changed. I think his comer men figured out my style somewhat because he came out fighting differently. Instead of rushing me, he moved around me and that caused me to change my style. In doing so, he was able to get to me a little bit better.
RayPFP 9 months ago
A Future Champion." Marciano's record claims that he was undefeated, that he never lost a fight in 49 fights. But I claim to have beaten him in our first fight on October 10, 1949. The local paper was there and judged the fight by rounds. The Providence Journal scored six rounds for me and four rounds for Rocky. Ask anyone who was there that night and saw the fight, and they will tell you who really won
RayPFP 9 months ago
I had heard about Rocky Marciano; he was the new kid on the block. I had the feeling they were hand-picking his fights, bringing him along. So, I was not intimidated by his record. I did not know until I was in the ring with him that he was all that they said he was: .
RayPFP 9 months ago
LETS FACE IT RCKY WAS ONLY GOOD BECUASE HE FOUGHT YOUNG BUMS AND OLD WASHED- UP HAS BEENS THIS FIGHT IS A DAMN SHAME IF JOE WAS IN HIS PRIME ROCKY WOULD HAVE GOT HIS ASS KICKED EVEN SCHMELING WOULD HAVE KICKED HIS WACK ASS AND AS FAR AS THAT COMPUTER FIGHT GOES ALI WOULD HAVE KICKED HIS ASS HOW DOES A COMPUTER KNOW ITS TAKING GUESSES JUST LIKE YOU AND ME!
TheMrkidman 9 months ago
@TheMrkidman
Completely agree with you, even tho Joe needed to fight for the money and it wasn't rockys fault the only competition was old legends and the worst bums in heavyweight history, he never ducked anyone (cept liston on the horizon). And rocky even sed himself if the fight had happened ten years ago Louis would have won.
jijforlife 9 months ago
@jijforlife Foreman, Ali, Dempsey, Louis, & Marciano were my favorites. Those so-called "old men" were seasoned, crafty & slick boxing stylists who could all hit!Any 1 of them would've given any of the above listed trouble. And they're the only types who could give RM trouble,as they were superior boxers over him. However, w/a punch that measured 1000ft lbs of touque, RM could've outslugged anyone. Anyone walking into that punch gets ko'ed...period! Louis, after tasting RM's power in the 1st rd,
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments
RM-had an unbeaten record, beat old legends, defended title 6 times retiring at 33
GF-two time champ, oldest heavyweight champ(45), fought in wat experts call greatest eva era
Louis-held title 12 years the longest eva,defended it the most ever, rated best puncher of all time an beat 5 world champs 3 of them prime.
Ali-youngest heavyweight champ at time, 1st triple heavyweight champ, greatest eva era.
USING JUST THE FACTS NO SPECULATION, WHO COMES FIRST, WHO COMES LAST?
jijforlife 9 months ago
@jijforlife (cont.) retreated for the 1st time in his life! I enjoy a good debate, but there isn't much that separates these greats & I would argue that the bums that GF faced were bigger bums than RM fought, as I stated regarding their losing records. And I always question a utubers fight knowledge anytime I see someone say that RM ducked Liston. When RM retired, Liston only had 12 fights, and was an unknown who wasnt yet even a prelim fighter. Rocky Marciano ducked nobody!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Foreman fought far superior oppenents then t he Rock. There you go saying stupid crap again. Don't you ever get tired of posting dumb shit. Norton,Frazier,Ali, blow anyone the Rock ever fought competely under the table..Rock fought mostly 2nd and 3rd tier fighters until 37 th fight when he fought a used up old Louis.Took Rock 37 fights to even fight an ex champ.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Far superior opponents than the RM? As a 30 yr old, u weren't even born when GF fought Ali, but it's clear that he made a "great" impression on u,& the rest of the ignorantly impressionable utubers in ur age group. Of the 31 fights GF had before Frazier, half of them had losing records! Joe Goodwin, GF's 27th opponent;had 1 win& 14 losses! His 28th,Clarence Boone; had 3 wins & 28 losses! In his 31st pro fight, THE FIGHT B4 Frazier, GF fought Terry Sorrell. Sorrell had 4 wins & 16 losses!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@RayPFP (cont)Norton was a body who didn't become a somebody until he beat an under-trained Ali. He fought bigger tomato cans than GF on his way to his win over Ali, got ko'ed by every big puncher he faced and his ONLY notable wins were against an Ali who took him lightly & duidn't train, a powder puncher named jimmy Young, and Quarry;who took that fight on an 11 day notice. The Frazier GF fought wasnt the JF Ali fought in 71'. He was shopworn & looked terrible against nobodies Daniels& Stander.
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@RayPFP (cont.correction;Norton was a NObody!)JF struugled w/ rugged clubfighter Stander, & only stopped him on cuts!The JF who fought GF,was blubbery in appearance & had slipped considerably since his war w/Ali. Marciano would've clobbered that version of JF! Glad u mentioned that GF fought Ali, bcz he was easily& soundly beaten by an over-the-hill Ali! Kid, you really DON'T know wut ur talkin' about. Ur lack of knowledge makes u impressed by GF's larger than life personality,but his record?
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Marciano clobbers everybody in your book.The truth is the complete opposite of what you;re posting. Frazier a gold medal winner along with Foreman and Ali.T hey were except ional fighters at an early age. Look at ROck s record as an amatuer. Never won gold and lost to Coley Wallace and never avenged loss. The Frazier t hat fought Foreman was still unbeaten. What unbeaten great did the Rock ever face? What top tier puncher did he face. Wishful thinking Strickly..
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP @jijforlife (cont.) I believe RM could slug w/any i and come out on top bcz of his superior 1 punch power. Ali would've given him fits due to his style,IMO. Young GF beat a worn out, blubbery JF & a not so great Norton. U look @ him larger than life bcz of wut he accomplished 2nd time around, but he wasn't great during his first run. Old George was much more relaxed mentally & physically. He didn't waste punches and he was mentally tougher. I think old George beats young George any day!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments You make it seem that Marciano is going to waltz on in there and beat prime Young. Marciano would have little to chance against Young or Foreman. So what if Foreaman lost to Young. Young was a crafty boxer. Something Rock never faced it their prime. If fighter is good enough to beat Foreman, trust me that fighter would dispatch the slow small swarmer Marciano. Young would smother Marciano and coast to ud in not late ko. Young fought far superior oppisition compared to rock.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@strictlycomments
True but even then people were calling him the next Joe Louis because of his jab and power. Maybe ur right, but its hard not to question a mans motives wen he retires as champ at 33 and defends the title onli 6 times before retiring, and btw patterson won that title the year afta marciano retired, wat bout him. but it truely is a joke to compare GF era with RM, foreman fought ali,prime frazier,prime norton,evander holyfield jimmy young and lyle.
jijforlife 9 months ago
@jijforlife That's true!Everyone thought GF was indestructable bcz of how he easily handled JF, but the subsequent fights w/Ali, Lyle,& Young revealed that he wasnt, he just had the style to beat a shop-worn, diminsished JF. GF was just a big strong guy who had fought inferior, outmatched tomato cans on his way to JF.Really, he only looked invincible against JF, bcz that version of JF was made to order for him,& the best of JF clearly was left in Madison Sq. Garden in his fight on 3/8/71,w/Ali.
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments
and this is more of a question than an accusation. but if marciano never ducked anyone and was always facing the top contenders why did it take him 42 straight wins (38 by knockout) to gain a title shot, Spinks got one after 7 fights. I know they wer completely incomparable eras but no heavyweight that wins that many and that many convinsingly by knockout doesn't get a title shot earlier except he either chose or was forced to fight bums.
jijforlife 9 months ago
@jijforlife (cont) Foreman fought who u said he fought, but he LOST to Ali, didn't fight "prime" Frazier, & Norton; at the time he fought GF, was only a nobody who feasted on bums,himself, until he beat an unconditioned, out-of-prime Ali.He was an impressive phys. specimin, but not an impressive fighter! THAT'S REALITY! Certainly the GF who won the title on his 2nd run, @45yrs., was more impressive than young GF. Weill was a shrewd manager, keeping his status secret while he who moved Rm slowly
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Foreman was better than Marciano in many ways. Foreman was onc e the young lion beating all the o ther young lions. Afterwards becoming the old lion beating the young lions. Marciano was always the young lion beating the old lions. Never the old lion beating the young lions. Like Ali and Foreman. Ali , Frazier,Lyle,Quarry etc, all lost because they had each other to fight. All men in primes many unbeaten. With the Rock there were only old lions around. No unbeatens nowhere.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP @jijforlife I agree that the 60's & 70's was the greatest era of boxing,but it was for 1 reason only...MUHAMMED ALI!He's the one who made the game wut it was! He was the common denominator who fought all the fighters u mention, but they all didn't fight each other! Norton & GF(on his 1st run) didn't beat alot of good fighters!They were footnotes to ALI! GF's claim to fame was that he had the STYLE to destroy a wornout JF & Norton, Norton's claim was an awkward style to beat untrained Ali
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@RayPFP @ jijforlife Young utubers look back at both of GF's title wins & u rate him on both. It is amazing that he did wut he did @age 45, but I'm telling u, he was dismissed as a "flash in the pan" when he retired after his loss to Young. I've posted it a million times, but please read; The Art of the Big Punch:No Doubting Marciano", and "Almost the man: But Big George Is Not A Top 5 Heavyweight", both by Mike Casey. Speculation is fun, but there's no way 2 know who'd really win. I believe
strictlycomments 9 months ago
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RayPFP 9 months ago
@strictlycomments You can't compare the 50's to the 70's. 70's contained some of the youngest toughest fighters of any era. You put the slow crusier Marciano in the 70's his new name would be pebbles. He would'nt make it to the championship. Some young hungry heavy wanting a name would dispatch him in a few rounds. Forget about Ali,Foreman,Frazier,Norton. Someone like Quarry or Lyle , shavers,Young etc, would get to him before they do. Rock would have to fight at Lt heavy.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Ur beginning 2 bore me, kid! Marciano would walk right thru powder puncher Young. Moore, Walcott, Charles,& even aging Louis were far superior to him in style, craft, speed & power! RM walked thru them & he would fly thru Young! Anyone weighing over 175 in the 70's was a HVYWT, just as they were in the 50's! U have no credibility! Shavers, GF, Norton, & Lyle, beat mostly bums! When they they faced each, they only beat other bum beaters! Ali is the only 1 who beat all of the above!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. He didn't walk t hrough 177 pound Lowry who was a defensive fighter also. Lowry came from the old Jack Johnson school of defense. Marciano couldn;t put a dent in him and the Rock admitted it..So to say a defensive fighter like Young isnt going to have a chance sounds like s suckers bet.Marciano had his hands full with old ex welter s and middles.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Kid, if you'd ever been in the ring, you'd know that if the goal of ur opponent is only to getting ko'ed, you won't ko him! Lowry had NO chance and never mixed it up w/Marciano. I'm sure young could do the same, he was skilled, but if ur goal is to simply avoid being ko'ed, and u have no intention of winning, you'll likely survive the ko, but u won't win, and you'll put up NO fight! That's exactly how Lowry fought RM, read about it!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@RayPFP Ali is the one who made the 70's great, all the others you mentioned were good fighters for their era, but they weren't great fighters! Foreman went on to greatness by accomplishing a successful, 2nd career where he regained the title. The so-called "old men" could've beaten everyone on ur list except Ali. Quarry, at his best(did beat Shavers & Lyle)would've beaten Norton & possibly GF.He was a good fighter under 200lbs! Marciano was a better fighter than the hvys you listed...easily!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments You seem to be making these assumptions on Marciano 's unbeaten record like most of his fans do. Young fought more young prime unbeaten fighters than ROck would ever dream or his fans could imagine him fighting. Take prime 6'2 229 1982 Page,18-0. He would smoke slow ass Marciano. Young fought unbeaten Tony Tubbs unbeaten as well as 6'5 Toney Tucker whom was 24-0.Young fought an unbeaten Cooney. He fought 1977 Norton, Foreman,Earnie Shavers, Ron Lyle,Michael Dokes.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Ur confusing me w/some 1 else, I never said a thing about RM's record! U 4got to mention that Young LOST to every 1 of these young upstarts! Doesnt do a thing 2 bolster ur claim that Young could've beaten Marciano! U also 4got to mention that Young, only 1 yr after fighting GF, lost to 11-0 Ossie Ocasio! Foreman's record at the time he fought Young was 45-1, yet he loses to guy that gets beat-only 1 yr later-by a guy who only had 11 fights! It reinforces that GF all fought tomato cans!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Sure marciano was an unbeaten champ. But also was one of the most beatable champions ever. He was protected and fed over t he hill great s as well as a host of tomato cans his whole career. He was never tested against a young prime top tier puncher. So its hard to predict what he would do against a young prime 200 + top tier puncher. Rock is completely untested. Walcott and Louis isn[t a test.They were done long befor e Marciano dispatched them.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Yeah Marciano beat Louis, sure did. He beat Walcott , after coming from behind. Moore dropped him.Moore dropping Marciano is the equivilent of Tommy Hearns knocking down Tyson.And yes he beat a Charles who was on the way down , not on the way up.Average age of these guys was 37.,. Leaves a bit to be desired I suppose, doesn't it Strictly?
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Walcott was actually one of the craftiest hvywts ever! He was far more skilled than RM, but RM still was resourceful(unlike young GF against Ali & Young!)enough to beat him! U think Moore dropping RM is equivalent to Hearns knocking down Tyson?! Shows once again u know very little! Moore scored more ko's than any other fighter! Tyson had 70lbs on Hearns, Moore weighed 188 against Marciano, which is was RM's weight that night;they weighed the same! U readin' boxing comic books, or what?!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@RayPFP Also, Unlike RM, Louis was hurt by, behind & trailing 174lbs Billy Conn! Does that diminish JL?Walcott had the best fight/performance of his career w/RM! He peaked late & was actually 8 yrs younger than GF when GF beat Moorer! Unbeknownst to u, fighters peak @different ages. Mdl champ Sergio Martinez, @ 36yoa, is now peaking when most middles R retired! Louis wasn't done!He was 66-2,was on a 8 fight win streak w/3 ko's! In contrast, GF lost 2 fights out of his 8 fights b4 facing Moorer!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Were should i start? Ok i will make a microwave comment for you. Louis was 37 years old. Fighinging 8 fights in 8 months. Thats a torrent pace for any fighter.Certainly for a fighter of Louis' age. What fighter do you know of t hat fights 8 fights in 8 months? Only the great Louis far past his prime.That is what soften up Louis for the old man beater Marciano.I'll be back to straighten your delusional ass out in a bit.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP HA! Don't be mad just cause he's Italian and not black. If he didn't think he was up to fight the undefeated Rocky, then why the hell will he be willing to fight him? Shut up with the lame excuses. Rocky owned his ass.
saulhudson420 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Rhode Island, on October 10, 1949, who know that he lost his first fight-No. 21-to me, Tiger Ted Lowry, the New England Light Heavyweight Champ.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@strictlycomments The decision was booed, and I received a lot of pats on the back and was told by many: You were robbed! Others said, You won that fight, Ted. Some people say that fight was fixed. I have never said anything concerning this fight, but I will tell you, that if the fight was fixed, it was to make sure the Rock won no matter what.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Why did you remove ur comment, that said these were Lowry's words, not your's? Is it bcz no one agrees with Lowry's version of the events? Funny how 60 yrs later(2007) Lowry remembers having RM hurt on the ropes, but no one else does. I'm from the Boston area & a friend's uncle actually saw that fight & says no one booed, RM was never in touble, & Lowry covered up & stayed away the whole fight! In Everett M. Skehan's book; "Rocky Marciano", which was published in 1977,only 8 yrs after
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments He was the only fighter to twice last the ten-round distance with undefeated heavyweight champion Rocky Marciano. Local newspapers had Lowry winning the fight 6 rounds to four rounds. Lowry later stated he felt he lost because Marciano's manager, Al Weill, was well connected. Conceded he lost to Marciano in the rematch. The two later became friends
RayPFP 9 months ago
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strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments You fail to "realize" that Rock himself admitted he couldn't knock Lowry out and that Lowry's style gave him problems. He said that he could fight Lowry 100 times and 100 t imes fight goes to cards.Regardless of how much you disagree , it's documented that many of these events that Lowry claims happened.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP (cont) after their 1st fight,Silverman was driving back to Boston that nite with trainer,Al Lacey, & said;"You know that dago looks like another Johnny Risko,he's a tough son-of-a-bitch!He's gonna beat alot of good fighters. The kid gave Lowry a bad body beating". After retiring,RM assessed his career and said of the Lowry fight;"I think Lowry would've gone the distance if we had fought a 100 times, I could never get used to his style of fighting". He didn't say;"Lowry gave him trouble".
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Let me guess , your favorite fighters are 1.Marciano. 2. Mickey Ward. 3.Rocky Graziano. You don't give a damn if Marciano fought Mr. Rogers or Pee Wee Herman. As long as he stayed unbeaten he
's the best. No matter how many tomato cans he beat.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Dude, I STILL DISAGREE! And I've got news for you,I could post a blog tonite about the events of that fight,and it would "be documented all over the internet"! I've actually seen internet posts of my information referred to in subsequent boxing articles!It means shit!None of these so-called "credible sources" that you claim, can be identified by name, or as having actually been present at that fight! I know, I've already researched it... so save it! I'll go w/Skehan/Silverman's version!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Not me. I believe Lowry. I believe his account. He is far more credible then your racist uncles friends from Boston.There is no way a black fighter like Lowry was getting the nod. He was doomed from t he beginning because the judge had the same mentality as you do. The Rock at 21--0 couldn't put a dent in a guy weighing in at 177. How in the hell is he going to do any thing with Ali, Foreman,Liston,Page etc?
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP (cont.) They were alive and present at the fight. The "internet documents" that u refer to were likely generated over and over again by the account from Lowry's book of 2007. None of the accounts can actually be traced to anyone. Lowry was actually a good defensive fighter who fought some greats & went the distance. Archie moore, Lee Savold, & Lee Oma were several of them. Still,he was strictly a defensive fighter&did not hurt or even come close to defeating even a green Rocky Marciano.
strictlycomments 9 months ago
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strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments I got news for you. It's not just Lowry stating these evens. It must be some kind of huge conspiracy because its everywhere on the internet. From many credible sources. There are numerous post by eyewitness' that where at the fight. Members of t he press etc. All indications point to Lowry telling the truth. I feel the press is more credible than your friends uncle.
RayPFP 9 months ago
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strictlycomments 9 months ago
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@RayPFP (cont) after RM's death, described the fight thusly; " Lowry was a defensive fighter; he didn't throw many hard punches, but seldom took any. Rocky kept battering Lowry to the body, trying to bring his defenses down, but he knew how to take the punches and held on for the ten-round distance". U cite a quote from Lowry, which was written about him and published in 2007, some 30 yrs after Skehan's book. I'm inclined to believe Skehan's version, which was written in timeline much closer to
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@RayPFP (cont) the actual events. Many people were interviewed by Skehan for the book, and for this fight; including the actual promoter of the fight, Sam Silverman. These people were still alive at Skehan's writing(unlike the 2007 Lowry book), and none of them recounted the fight as was depicted in Lowry's 2007 book. Nowhere in Skehan's book does it say that Lowry even came close to winning, or giving RM any trouble.Skehan's version basically mirrors my friend's uncle's account of the fight.
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments No ma tter how used up Louis or how old Walcott was in your book they were at their best. I got you. Moore was at his best at 40 also. So is it by coincidence that all t hese guys at 40 or close to it are in primes. And that t he only reason they retired was because Marciano finished them,not that the fact t hey were in retirement age. Because mr Stricklycomments says so. So how come when Abe Simon knocked out Walcott years before Marciano ,Walcott kept fighting on?
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Of course you believe Lowry, U R one of the wet behind the ears,25-30 yr old "revisionists" that Mike Casey refers to in his article about Foreman! And you've also proven urself 2 be a PUNK! Don't throw the cheap racist card at me, u little twerp! The fact is, u can't produce shit, not one legitimate article from anyone who was there. I wouldn't have mentioned the uncle if it wasn't consistant w/Skehan & Silverman, who was actually there! U have nothing legit & U know it! You choose to
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments You have proven yourself to be an old Boston senial fart.I've given you credible sources. Seems you haven't been reading my post or you have been selectively reading them. All the Providence local newspapers had Lowry winning 6-4 you stupid jerk. That's more credible than some fking Skehan & Rossman or Silverman or any other bogus name you want to bring up..
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Cont. believe Lowry, at almost 90 yrs of age, some 60 yrs after the fight, even tho there were credible people at the fight, who gave a totally different version around that time! You can't substantiate anything, so u resort to the cheap tactic of painting someone as a "racist"! Ur a punk who has NO experience&no credibility! I've been in the boxing ring many times! You've watched utube vids & read articles! There is reality&then there's a perception of reality,u only have a perception!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments You obviously need some sort of dementia care. I would get that checked out before you continue your decline into deep dementia.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP In all honesty, kid, I've posted more than enough info, scientific & otherwise; a ballistic pendulum test on RM & Frank Bruno - who beat GF for 1 punch hitting power - and how to retrieve it, statements from fighters who actually fought GF & Marciano, statements from historians & trainers & many others. Vids showing RM ko'ing people w/1 shot, as opposed to GF w/multiple shots & knockdowns& opponents still beating the 10 count. Unfortunately u resorted to bringing up race, which is an
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Marciano couldn't ko a tomato can with a 11-14 record . Applegate was in his late 20's and Rock couldn't put a dent in him. Marciano was 34-0. Just 2 fights later Marciano ko'ed a used up shop worn Louis.That shows you just how much Louis had declined. Louis lost all the power in his right hand and was flat broke and actually trained in his backyard without a trainer for Marciano and the 8 fights preceding.For you to say Joe was at his best is just plain ignorant. Dumbass...
RayPFP 9 months ago
@strictlycomments I post here because I feel like it. If you don't like fuck off you old fking fart. Marciano got gift decisions over tomato cans. He was good but not the way you make it seem. He fought nobodys his entire career and ret ired after being dropped by a 42 year old former welter. I suggest you read Nat Fleischer's column on the much overrated Marciano..
RayPFP 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Big George would walk through Marciano and get ko in 1. Marciano had trouble with old man Walcotts power. Walcott punches were lifting Marciano off the canvas. Marciano was trailing the old man until Joe got tired.. Amazing it took 13 for him to tire ou t so the slow inaccurate Marciano could land on him.Charles was a better middle/Ltheavy. Most of all Marciano wins were against losing a lot older former welter/middle and Lt heavys or just plain tomato cans.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Cont. indication that u lost an argument. I come on here for fun, speculation&entertainment, but when a punk starts w/ insults, vulgarities, or race baiting, that's when I know that they know nothing! I've known people who knew RM & know GF, Ali&Tyson. I sparred world class pros,in the 70's/80's, met & had fight discussions w/Hagler& Patterson(R they bogus names too?). I won a hvywt GG title in 1980 & scored 27ko's over bigger hvywts than me. Ur a analyst wannabe, & that's about it!
strictlycomments 9 months ago 2
@strictlycomments You're just an internet fraud. I bet you can't bust a grape. You pretend to be some fighter but offer little to no proof. Anyone can say anything. You are the internet wannabe.You have no identity.You're a hypercrite as well as a liar. You have zero credibility. You claim Moore Louis as well as Walcott were at their best in old age. You're building up Maricano's opponents to something they weren't to make Marciano look better than he actually was.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@strictlycomments You scream and shout as if Marciano was some saint. He was a d irty fighter that threw lots of elbows.He had short stubby arms and was very inaccurate. His manager made sure he fought no big punchers his entire career. Only old punchers like Louis. Marciano padded his record with a bunch of st iffs until 37 th fight when his manager took chance with a shot Louis.Marciano even was killed with Philly Mob Boss' nephew. So he had ties to the mob moron..
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP U R a warped, twisted, frustrated nobody of a little shit! Go back & read wut u just wrote, u sick little shit! It was that important 4 u to come back here w/more of ur BS! Come up w/ur own material, instead of stealing lines that I have used to describe you! If I was a liar, I would've offered huge exaggerations, instead describing a humble amateur boxing record, you dumb, f*cking little snot! Any 1 reading my posts can see that my intellect by far exceeds ur's, u dumbass!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments My post are BS? And yours are accurate? Fucking dumb cunt, and a lying one at that.You're the one that started throwing insults first. You can't seem to list any prime greats the Rock beat. You can't list any top tier puncher over 200 the Rock beat. You build up old farts, and say they were at their best when they faced the Rock. You scream and shout Louis was in prime when he faced Rock. You have Zero credibility. Keep posting ,keep displaying your stupidity.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP I "scream and shout"? Did you actually hear me through cyberspace, U little deranged twerp?! U R a sick little puppy; stalking Marciano vids on utube to denigrade a great deceased champion! Go back & read your pathetic rantings, u ego- challenged little twit! U exhibit borderline-intellectual functioning, & act more like a sick, demented sociopath!!!! I've spoon-fed u scientific evidence of punching power, among other things, U chicken-shit! Now do us all a favor and get some meds!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments I love watching old fighters and thanks to YOUTUBE I've been able to see their greatness. But this RayPFP guy is really getting on my nerves. If you notice this guy is in every Marciano video talking trash about him. Every single one of them. This dude really needs some lithium.
bismarck1234561 8 months ago
@bismarck1234561 I agree, he's a major league A-hole! It's one thing to speculate, in fun, or for purposes of entertainment(like I do), even subjectively; about who would win, etc., etc., but this guy is obsessed with trashing Marciano all over youtube! I'm convinced he's never accomplished a thing in his life, no one probably gives him the time of day in person, and he feels important being able to throw his 2 cents into cyberspace...even if nobody really does give a shit what he thinks!
strictlycomments 8 months ago
@RayPFP One more thing, u little pussy, you'd run liken hell if you ever laid eyes on me! This "old fart" is in 100 times the phys. shape that you'll ever live to be! U R a f*cking coward, who hides in cyberspace spewing ur f^cking bullshit when you've never stepped foot in a ring! How do I know? Bcz no one whose ever fought, would come up w/some of the punk-ass, disrespectful shit that you have! You've never accomplished a thing in ur life! You trod the paths of ignorance well, u dipshit!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments MARTY WEILL WAS ROCKY’S TRUTHFUL MANAGER
Marciano’s record was 49-0, 43 KOs. But that record is suspect as well, this after Marty Weill, his manager of record, and the son of Marciano’s promoter Al Weill, he dropped this bombshell on an edition of “Ring Talk Worldwide” in the 1980s when he admitted that, “Rocky fought his brother three or four times around Massacheusetts.”
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP how do u say his record is suspected? lol
bphatboyjohn123 8 months ago
@RayPFP RM oulda beaten any slugger! Walcott, Charles, & Moore could've beaten any 1 GF beat(except Ali). If GF was knocked down & soundly beaten by powder punching young, he would've suffered the same fate at the hands of Charles&Walcott & probably Moore. All were far better boxers, & harder hitters than Young! And "Big George" fought tomato cans throughout BOTH of his careers, at all stages! No Champ ever fought more bumfighters/tomato cans than he did!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@strictlycomments Young would have a much easier time going unbeaten in Rocks era vs Rock in Youngs era.Nothing but old farts and tomato cans in Rocks era. WW2 along with Korean war took its toll on 50's crop of heavies.There were very few good fighers around.The ones that were around were over thehil.
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP Young wouldn't have gone unbeaten in any era! He wasn't a great fighter, but he did beat GF, proving that GF wasn't a great fighter either! Especially when far less than great fighters, were able to easily beat Young!1973 GF was a flash in the pan who knocked over a worn out Frazier. He stopped a lucky bum beater(Norton), who luckily got a fight w/Ali, and then beat an untrained Ali, after took him lightly! The fights b4 Frazier were with all tomato cans! RM woulda wrecked that GF!!!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
Old man Walcott busted Marciano up bad. Walcotts punches were lifiting the Rock off the canvas. Walcott dropped the Rock at 55 seconds of 1st. Foreman was an expert at early ko's . Rock had a habit of starting slow and walking into punches early. I doesn't survive early knockdown against Foreman .
RayPFP 9 months ago
@RayPFP There you are, RayPFP, I'm still waiting to hear what your boxing credentials are, other than watching the fights on youtube? Rocky didn't walk into Walcott's left hook, Walcott stepped in w/it. "old man Walcott" was in his prime against RM, fighting his best fight ever! He was 8 yrs younger than Big George was when he ko'ed Moorer. Jimmy Young was a clever boxer, but not anywhere near as crafty as Walcott! oe hit much harder! Joe would've tied a young GF in knots & ko'ed him!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
Foreman vs Marciano. Fight would last as long as it took Foreman to land 1&2. Foreman Jab ko's Marciano. A glancing blow by Foreman drops Marciano. Foreman uppercut would cream Marciano inside 1.Marciano would look like a bouncing ball like Frazier. Foreman would walk through Marciano showing no respect. Marciano would be giving up a lot in reach and power as well as weight height. Mismatch. Marciano has better chance at lasting longer with Ali but not much more. Ali would butcher the Rock.
RayPFP 9 months ago
But damn! This was a hell of a knockout victory for Marciano. I wonder why ESPN's 50 greatest boxer's has Louis #4, with Marciano relatively well-behind him at #14, even though he won. Sure other fights come into play, but that's too large of a gap, in my opinion.
ChampanzeeKO 9 months ago
@ChampanzeeKO There have always been big fighters. Louis beat; Abe Simon(255),Buddy Baer(250),Carnera(260), and Galento(233). Dempsey beat;Drake(257), Williard(245), Morris(220),& Firpo(216). The article u read makes sense to the bigger=better thinker, but doesn't consider "exceptions to the rule". In the NBA, there were men like;5'9" Nat Robinson, 5'7" "Spud" Webb(slam dunk winner), and 5'3" Muggsy" Bogues. In baseball there was 5'11, 155lbs "Oil Can" Boyd, & 5'11" 170 Pedro Martinez; 2 ML...
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@ChampanzeeKO 2 ML pitchers capable of hurling a fastball, rivaling the speed of fastballers;6'5", 225lbsSchilling& 6'4",235lbs Clemmons.The answer? Superior athleticism!Dempsey,Louis,& Marciano were Hvywt boxing's exception to the rule. They all packed a punch big enough to ko anyone,& it's clear that RM had exceptional strength, as he easily bulls 6'2", 214lbsLouis all over the ring here. JL's speed&timing may have been diminished by age, but certainly his size & physical strength were not.
strictlycomments 9 months ago
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I had no idea! I am a new fan to boxing and was ignorant to these facts. But then again, I am American enough to know the big names and not the small ones. Were those big fighters that Marciano fought relatively unknown and labeled Tomato Cans? George Foreman was no Tomato Can, that's for sure. Who knows who would have won, but it's fun wondering regardless.
ChampanzeeKO 9 months ago
@ChampanzeeKO It is fun! It's only annoying when youtube wannabes comeback w/profanities & classless replys.GF was no tomato can, but definitely fought more of them than RM. In his 1st 32 fights, GF fought 17 men w/losing records, as opposed to RM's 8 men w/losing records(out of 1st 32). GF was exposed as a flash in the pan by Ali, Lyle, and then Jimmy Young. His comeback, 10 yrs later vindicated him, as he was a much better all-around fighter. Youtubers have an unwarranted "larger than life"
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@ChampanzeeKO (cont) opinion of George, based on both facets of his career(young GF & old GF). Old GF was a better fighter. Young George, after his 1st run and subsequent losses, as mentioned earlier, was indeed dismissed as a flash in the pan, who could've never fought w/RM! After watching his loss to powder punching Jimmy Young, is there really any question that he would've lost to superior, harder hitting boxers like Charles & Walcott? He was not nearly as resourceful as Marciano...
strictlycomments 9 months ago
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just to tell you george foremans statistics before the Ali fight, 40 wins no losses 37 wins by knockout. Was young george foreman unbeatable? no a smart and versatile fighter like Ali could beat him. Was he a wrecking ball and one of the greatest heavyweights of all time? yes, he made ken norton and frazier look like rag dolls and frazier had a similar style to marciano, If moore can drop marciano, foreman would have destroyed him.
jijforlife 9 months ago
@jijforlife In his 1st 32 fights against the tomato cans he fought prior to Frazier,14 of of them had LOSING records. Only 4 w/losing records for RM(in 1st 32 fights). GF scored 7 1st rd ko's, RM scored 10. He was easily beaten by an over the hill Ali, looked horrible against Lyle, & beaten by powder puncher Jimmy Young. Ali revealed him to be an unresourceful flash in the pan(GF held title less than 2 mos).He was not considered great,dismissed as a flash,& no one thought he could've beaten RM!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@jijforlife Norton fought bigger stiffs on the way to his Ali win, than Foreman & was a nobody until he beat an out of shape Ali. His only significant wins were over Ali, Jimmy young(dec.), and Quarry; who took the fight on 11 days notice. He got ko'ed against every puncher he got in with.Only similarity between F and RM was that they were both swarmers.F led w/his chin and fought squarded up due to being blind in left eye. RM Bladed his body, making a smaller target, leaned back out of range
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@jijforlife (cont) out of range w/his weight on his back leg. And he had a far better chin than Frazier. Rocky was just as strong as GF(see how easily he bulls 6'2", 214lbs Louis here) and was a harder 1 punch hitter. Young George was a headcase who could've never handled RM. If a powder punching Jimmy Young could drop Foreman, Marciano would've destroyed HIM! Watch the overhand right Lyle sends puts GF on queer street with. Rocky would've stopped him!!!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
Louis has been knocked down the second most time of any heavyweight ever, so its not much of an achievement to bully a 38 year old shaky chinned boxer. George wasn't prime for young, but you have no argument when it comes to hardest hitter and most powerful puncher, foreman is right up there when it comes to that with Louis who was named all time greatest puncher, Foreman was ranked 9th and marciano 14th. Plus foreman was knocked out bigger people in the hardest ever heavyweight era.
jijforlife 9 months ago
@ChampanzeeKO (cont) Youtubers think Foreman was invincible, but clearly he was not! If Jimmy Young could beat him soundly, certainly master boxers, like Charles and Walcott, and even aging Joe Louis, would have! All three had far superior punching power(over Jimmy Young), and were better boxers. People who thought GF was indestuctable after Frazier, learned otherwise after Ali, Lyle, and then Young. He was not considered a great fighter after retiring, after his first title reign.
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@ChampanzeeKO (cnt.) Back then(after losing and retiring), he was just considered a big strong guy who fought a bunch of tomato cans, and then had Joe Frazier's number. And everyone realized after GF's subsequent losses, that it wasn't the same Frazier who fought Ali on 03/08/71. In GF's 2 title defenses, he beat up a mismatched Jose Roman & Ken Norton. People 4get that even Norton, at the time, was a nobody, who became a somebody only becuz he came out of nowhere to beat an under-trained Ali.
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@ChampanzeeKO Google and Read "The Art Of The Big Punch:No Doubting Marciano", by Mike Casey. It addresses the size issue. There's another good article by Casey, entitled; "Almost The Man:But Big George Is Not A Top 5 Heavyweight". This one's a good read too!
strictlycomments 9 months ago
@ChampanzeeKO
Shall I tell you y marciano is no where near the standard of joe louis, because firstly in this fight marciano was 28 or 29, joe louis was 38 and only fighting for the money after comi